lifeblood: listlogs: 2000-03d


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date:         tue, 21 mar 2000 19:24:54 est
reply-to:     hunterj1@aol.com
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subject:      to all expecting the chicago hob cd from me :)
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well, the little black cloud has been following my mailbox around and lo and
behold it did it right at my doorstep.  through some comedic and otherwise
slight of hand happenings, i still haven't received my copy of the boot.  but
when i do...

jude :)

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date:         tue, 21 mar 2000 19:31:19 est
reply-to:     indigyrlieman@aol.com
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from:         vesper evensong <indigyrlieman@aol.com>
subject:      the wood song --acoustic promo
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i was in the middle of downloading this from the net and something happened
to it. i only got half of it. if anyone has the whole thing i would really
like to trade for it or something!
thanks!

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date:         tue, 21 mar 2000 17:16:15 -0800
reply-to:     julie libes <indigonut@yahoo.com>
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subject:      favorite songs
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so hard to pick one definite favorite. there are just
so many... i think i've narrowed it down to two.

my second favorite is "shed your skin", my favorite ig
song of all time is "compromise". that amy... :);):)

back to hitting on gay boys,
julie :)

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date:         tue, 21 mar 2000 17:40:17 pst
reply-to:     karen murphy <murphyslaw77@netscape.net>
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subject:      no need to read if you arent beccie
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sorry everyone, this is for beccie. i apologize for sending it to the whole
list.... ive been experiencing technical difficulties....
beccie,
it's karen murphy. remember me? i was the one looking for you, not andy. he's
my friend, and i asked him to send the message to the list for me bc my dash
key doesnt work! anyway, just wanted to clear that up..... have you read any
of my ramblings about the bible/homosexuality?? i've been quite inquisitive
about that topic on the list lately.... any comments/suggestions? well, i hope
to talk to you soon.....
karen

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date:         tue, 21 mar 2000 20:46:17 est
reply-to:     sprdinosur@aol.com
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from:         joe agueci <sprdinosur@aol.com>
subject:      i didn't know it existed!
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if anyone could help me out with an .mp3 or something, i just learned that
there is a song called boys just laughed.

i would like to give a listen

thanks


joe
brooklyn

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date:         tue, 21 mar 2000 19:48:31 -0600
reply-to:     wilfred pennington <unclwil@midwest.net>
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from:         wilfred pennington <unclwil@midwest.net>
subject:      old ig board, eku
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hello again,
does anyone have the site address for the old ig discussion board, the
threaded one? my computer hard drive was wiped out and my web bookmarks
went along with it, so i'm trying to replace my favorites. thanks in
advance for the help.

thanks to those who responded with information on the eku show. it was
after 5 p.m. when i got the correct phone number, so i'll try first thing
in the morning. here's hoping there are still two tickets left! richmond,
ky., is located a bit east of the center of the state and south of
lexington on interstate 75 what looks to be less than an hour's drive.
we're from southern illinois, so the drive will be a bit of a haul, but i
don't think it'll be too bad...6 hours is my guess, but that could be a
little optimistic.

if i'm lucky enough to get tickets, i'm not sure what time we'll arrive to
get in line. i'm cheap and would rather spring for lodging the night of the
concert rather than the night before. an early start could get us there by
mid-afternoon. but i guess there's just no way to guage interest from one
location to another...and all my planning could be for nothing if they've
sold out, so i'll have to wait til the morning!

on another overly-optimistic note, i'm hoping ig might stop within driving
distance for their ampitheatre tour...we have riverport ampitheatre outside
st. louis and its really a great venue, in my opinion. we shall see! i've
been catching up on our 500-plus messages that awaited us when we finally
downloaded mail. speaking of which, my favorite songs are ghost, love's
recovery, love will come to you, shed your skin, go and compromise (which i
just noticed might be in order of rockability) and too many others to
mention, depending on how my day's gone.

thanks again for the help,
michelle

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date:         tue, 21 mar 2000 21:24:52 est
reply-to:     jilly c <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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from:         jilly c <jillyc@hotmail.com>
subject:      (nigc) u of rochester students??
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if anyone on the list goes to the university of rochester, could you please
email me privately asap?  i have a quick but big question for you.

thanks-
jill

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date:         tue, 21 mar 2000 20:47:41 -0800
reply-to:     connie and todd tsuchiya <tsuch002@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
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from:         connie and todd tsuchiya <tsuch002@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
subject:      u of c tickets available
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okay gang, i offered these tickets to the list once before, and the
inconsiderate flake who replied to me first is nowhere to be found. so,
i still have four tickets to the univ of chicago show. they are general
admission and cost $25 each (the faculty price i paid). i know i turned
down a lot of replies last time, but don't have your e-mail addresses.
so, they go to the first reply i get. please, please serious and
immediate offers only. i don't want to be stuck with tickets i could
easily broker for much more money.

thanks!
connie
tsuch002@maroon.tc.umn.edu

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date:         tue, 21 mar 2000 21:18:29 -0600
reply-to:     shannon donnally <smdonnally@students.wisc.edu>
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subject:      ig on the beat
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i watched the new show called the beat tonight
and all of a sudden, i heard some familiar sounds -
ig on "compromise!"  i don't think the whole song
was played, but it was a good chunk of it at least.
sorry if this is repeat news, i'm on digest!
shannon

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date:         tue, 21 mar 2000 22:34:48 -0500
reply-to:     johnna lee <jncil@bellsouth.net>
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subject:      jacksonville fl show
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does anyone have any info on this show...i know tix onsale friday, but
is it gen admission or reserved seating or what?
johnna

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date:         tue, 21 mar 2000 21:57:29 -0600
reply-to:     joey krimple <jkrimple@apex.net>
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from:         joey krimple <jkrimple@apex.net>
subject:      re: indigo police report
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bravo tara for all your efforts and for spreading the music of the indigo
girls.  there is a way to put an end to toering5's little money-making
scheme that you may not have thought of:  the way that i became aware of
this list is through a fellow listee who saw my bid on ebay for the great
woods video and emailed me to make me aware of this precious resource and
the kindness of those who trade.  i really angered the seller when i backed
out of the auction, which made me the recipient of negative feedback, but oh
well - i've never had to pay more than postage for a piece of ig memorabilia
since and i've met a lot of cool people!

since i never post, i thought i'd give my $.02 to this and a couple of other
threads going on recently.  my favorite ig song is hard to say, it changes
everyday, but the wood song is sooooooo beautiful it makes me want to
cry!!!!  joe from brooklyn, the girls have sang about being gay in thier
music for a long time - give "peace song" a listen (also one of my faves!).
and graham, i loved your email about the girls appeal to gays and lesbians
and firmly believe that thier music appeals to all who have had to
introspect to make sense of it all.  also, amy ray's appeal to lesbians at
shows is equivalent to the beatle's appeal back in the day and i can totally
see it, that girl rocks!!!!

anywho, that's it for now, back into seclusion ;o)
joey

"if your mind's in a somewhat complacent state get a check-up, this is a
stick-up:  our freedoms or your life.  i wish i could be peaceful but there
can be no sequel." - zack
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>subject: indigo police report
>date: mon, mar 20, 2000, 7:42 am
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> well all, i returned from an out of town trip to literally, over a hundred
> emails from our favorite profitting bootlegger toering5.  she's just a
> little pissy.  just to let you all know, i took your combined advice and
> reported her.  to ebay (who did nothing), to rcam, to riaa, to the copyright
> office, to epic and sony records, to mpa, to amy (to the best of my
> ability), and lastly, to the fbi.  at this point, there's really nothing
> else we can do.  i guess you have to figure that if you make the effort and
> nothing happens, then that's really their fault and not ours, and at least,
> we tried.
>
> incidentally, she reported me to everyone too. seems she believes that my
> bootleg activities are on the same level as hers.  funny... i've never made
> any money.... hmmm.... not that making money is the only illegality of
> bootlegging, but, you know, at least my activity has the a&e stamp of
> approval - as far as we know.  and maybe hers will too in the end, who
> knows.  but in any case, all has been done that can be, so anyone else who
> takes it upon themselves to pursue this, know that you are most likely
> duplicating effort.
>
> just to let y'all know what's going on.
>
> -tara
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date:         tue, 21 mar 2000 22:00:54 -0800
reply-to:     connie and todd tsuchiya <tsuch002@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
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subject:      tix are sold
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boy, you guys are quick... my u of c tickets are sold...

connie

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date:         tue, 21 mar 2000 23:20:14 est
reply-to:     indigoanid@aol.com
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from:         lori feldstein <indigoanid@aol.com>
subject:      re: indigo girls on world cafe
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is world cafe a phillie thing or is it in nyc too?
-lori

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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 01:28:18 -0500
reply-to:     greg flamer <gflame@megsinet.net>
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hi all--sorry about the nigc but this will be a one time post.  2 years ago
i rode in the twin cities-wisconsin-chicago aids ride.  it was a 500 mile
bike ride over 6 days to raise money for aids related charities in the
midwest.  i managed to raise $4500 in all.  over $600 of that came from the
generosity of this here discussion list.  well i'm at it again only this
year i am stepping the challenge up a notch and doing the california aids
ride which is 550 miles over 7 days from san francisco to los angeles.

i have seen other requests on the list over the years for assistance with
various charity events that listees are participating in.  i have seen
great efforts to raise money for a or e's favorite charities.  the people
here obviously have a history of giving and being generous.  i would of
course love to see that continue.

i need to raise $2500 to participate in the ride.  i have raised a lot
already but need more help to reach my goal.  i realize i am an anonymous
stranger to most here but i was in the same position 2 years ago and so
many of you helped me out.  many contributed 5-10 dollars and it added up
fast.  please consider pledging me for this summer's ride which begins on
june 4th.

those interested in pledging me can mail checks directly to me made out to
'california aids ride'.  just make sure i have your address so i can
acknowledge your generosity.  all donations are tax deductible as well.
mail the checks to me at:

greg flamer
417 w roscoe st #405
chicago il  60657

if some are interested and want more info before pledging please feel free
to contact me with questions (off the list of course).  thank you for
reading this far and i hope you'll consider this unique opportunity to help
others in need.

greg

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date:         tue, 21 mar 2000 23:29:57 -0800
reply-to:     laurel decou <indibabe2@yahoo.com>
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from:         laurel decou <indibabe2@yahoo.com>
subject:      re: favorite songs
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virtually impossible, but i shall try :)

fugitive, love will come to you, left it up to me,
southland in the springtime, welcome me, everything in
its own time, ghost, compromise, and cut it out...
ok so it's kinda long.  but there are so many of
them!!
time to run and throw ig into the cd player.  no more
murmurs for me

-laurel

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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 08:51:14 est
reply-to:     l i s a <stopandrest@hotmail.com>
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this is just impossible.
but let me say that yesterday (and many days) my favorite was "strange
fire."
that song just blows me away.
the lyrics, the music, the message.
i know that the message in the song can be about much more than feelings for
another person, but i think i recently experienced what i would call a
"strange fire" feeling for someone else.  this energy/love/respect thing
that i had never felt before, well, to such a tremendous degree.  it was
unexpected and i was in a bit of shock cause i was feeling it and because i
was *able* to feel it (you know, wow, how incredible that i can even have
this type of feeling within me for another human being - how lucky i am).  i
didn't know exactly how to describe it to myself, much less my closest
friends, and "strange fire" seems to fit very well.
and, for a few years now i've had this quote on my bulletin board: "when you
learn to love yourself, you will dissolve all the stones that are cast.  you
will learn to burn the icing sky, to melt the waxen mask.  to have the gift
of true release, this is a peace that will take you higher."  magical.


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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 07:54:18 -0600
reply-to:     "kovacs, mirinda" <mirinda.kovacs@westgroup.com>
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from:         "kovacs, mirinda" <mirinda.kovacs@westgroup.com>
subject:      re: i didn't know it existed!
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where can you get that from?  i am also very interested in this.

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from: joe agueci [mailto:sprdinosur@aol.com]
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subject: i didn't know it existed!


if anyone could help me out with an .mp3 or something, i just learned that
there is a song called boys just laughed.

i would like to give a listen

thanks


joe
brooklyn

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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 08:03:15 -0600
reply-to:     sheryl jones <sjones@library.wisc.edu>
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measure of me appears on a wonderful quality boot from the 9:30 club in
washington in 1998.  i have it on cassette. i know that a cd copy also
exists.  ask around if you want that.  i can work out something with you
for the cassette.

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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 09:22:21 -0500
reply-to:     elaine bean <bean@neu.edu>
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from:         elaine bean <bean@neu.edu>
organization: faculty senate office, northeastern university, boston, ma  02472
subject:      nigc - more joni
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sorry for the nigc again, but some of you may be interested in the
following:

elaine
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ashley judd will host an all-star tribute to folk legend joni mitchell,
featuring performances and appearances by shawn colvin, elton john,
wynonna judd, chaka khan, diana krall, k.d. lang, richard thompson and
cassandra wilson. the show will be taped april 6 at new york's
hammerstein ballroom and air april 16 on tnt. mitchell, who will perform

on the show, is a four-time grammy award winner and was inducted into
the rock and roll hall of fame in 1997. she released the album both
sides now on tuesday.

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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 08:54:02 -0600
reply-to:     "kovacs, mirinda" <mirinda.kovacs@westgroup.com>
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subject:      boots available?
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hi there!  i am relatively new to this message forum.  and i am completely
new to the bootleg thing.  i would love to have copies of tuesday's children
and color me grey.  i have always wanted those two.  the thing is that i
have no other boots to trade with anyone.  does anyone know a way that i
could get copies of these?  any help would be appreciated.  thanks!!

-mi rinda

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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 06:56:51 pst
reply-to:     cara klein <cowsrule52@hotmail.com>
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from:         cara klein <cowsrule52@hotmail.com>
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hey everybody! i have been on the list now for a few weeks and read these
postings through out the day every day! (i work for an asp internet company
so im online all day!) i just want to say that i think the people on this
list are just plain awesome and i look forward to reading whats goin on!

my love for music, especially that of the incredible 'girls', is profound
and deep.  i get lost in music, and i truly believe amy and emily are
musical geniuses.(cant spell!!)as we all now, no words could ever do justice
to explain just how amazing these two women are as people and as musicians.
they have given us an intimate look inside their souls, and at the same
time, our own.

like many who have posted, i could never pick one song as my "favorite."  im
the type of person who says "this is my favorite song" to every song that
comes on!! each song has touched me in a significant way. as i grow, it
seems as though songs i have heard time and time again earlier in my life
take on a new meaning. this is especially true seeing as im in recovery and
my outlook on life in remarkably different.  im learning how to live life on
lifes terms in ways i never imagined id be able to do.

keeping in mind that i love every single song amy and emily have belted out,
for the past year and probally for the rest of my life, the song and phrase
that has impacted me the most in day to day living and has implanted itself
inside my mind, is "eveything in it's own time."  i say that phrase to
myself every day all damn day and youd be amazed how it helps me get
through.

i guess thats enough rambling for a first time 'poster.' completely random
here, but if anyone is interested, i have written an online review of cons
album at  amazon.com, but i dont know if its still online. in case thats the
case, i emailed myself a copy and if anyone wants to read it let me know! i
heard lots of ppl goin on about this latest album wasnt "true to indigo
girls form." hmm...i didnt know they had a "form"! i think that album is
mind blowing, just like each of the previous ones!! if you wanna hear how i
feel about it let me know!!!!!!!!ok i better shut up now!!!! sorry this is
so long!!!!!
have a great day everyone!! nice to meet all of you!!!!

god bless and remember...."everything in it's own time"......

cara
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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 10:42:04 -0500
reply-to:     "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com>
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from:         "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com>
subject:      bootleg offer - 9:30, montreal '94/rev1live, early recordings,
              sh ades
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do not delete this email.  if you miss this, i'm not sending it out again,
you'll have to get it from someone else.

read this entire email carefully before emailing me any questions.

..... now, onto the pleasantries.... :)

since there's a lot of requests for bootleg material in the past couple
days, i'm sending this offer that i've made in the past, to get some newbies
or procrastinators up to date.  i'm finishing up the last batch, and the
majority of you who have been waiting patiently will get your recordings in
the next week.  some of the later stragglers have to wait until after the
31st (payday) so i can buy more cd labels.

a couple of quick notes for those who've asked... "measure of me" aka "boys
just laugh" aka "come on now social" is in pretty good form on the 9:30 club
recording, as sheryl already said.   "tuesdays children" can be found in its
entirety on early recordings vol. 2.

simultaneous to the work that goes along with this offer, i'll be mastering
the tampa radio broadcast boot, and getting that ready by early april.  as
always, please be patient.  i work full time and also go to school, so that
paired with the demand means it could be a while before you get yours back.

big change in policy, please read carefully...
the pledge - (scroll down) has been changed.  due to recent internet bootleg
sales, i realize that it is impossible to control the evils of the bootleg
world.  therefore, i've decided to change my digital non-duplication policy.
in essence, i'd prefer that these recordings become more widely available,
not less so, which would therefore drive prices down.  i hereby dissolve
everyone who has dutifully sent a pledge in the past, of their promise to
not duplicate nor distribute digital copies, and ask that instead, they
require the non-profit pledge (as written below) from everyone for whom they
make a digital (cdr) copy.  note that those who have signed pledges, are
still on their honor to never profit from owning your bootlegs!  please
email me if you need any further explanation, or don't understand my
reasoning for the policy change.

here are your instructions...

only send me one bootleg request per mailer!!  if you want all of these,
then mail them in separate packages.  if you don't it may make me miserable,
and then i'll have to send my girlfriend to hunt you down and kill you.
besides the fact that it will take longer for you to get any discs back
because i won't be able to mail them back to you as they're done.
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know that when i receive your request, i will get it back to you as soon as
possible.  please be patient.  due to the demand, it may take as many as 8
weeks before you get your discs back.  here's what you do:

you buy the correct number of blank discs (cdrs, not cdrws) for your
requested bootleg.  put them in a self addressed stamped bubble mailer
(6x9 minimum size please), with $1 per disc for art and the signed contract
(below).  put that bubble mailer in a bigger envelope. seal it, address it,
stamp it and mail it to me.

        please: do not send me boxes.  boxes don't fit in my po box and i
have to go to the counter to pick them up, which takes a lot of time waiting
in line.  no fiber mailers.  fibers from these mailers are known to cause
disc failure and ultimately to ruin cd writers.  do not send me postage and
labels to reuse your outer envelope.  rest assured all outer envelopes are
being recycled, i just can't spare the extra time to do all this and check
postage and what-not.  please remove shrinkwrap from your blank discs.

        cdr recommendations:  kodak and imation discs are usually gold with
black logos that show through on light parts of cd artwork, so you may want
to make another choice.  i have had trouble with both imation,
(surprisingly) maxell gold, and memorex discs and would really appreciate it
if you choose something else.  tdks are reliable, but expensive and some
have dark logos on some discs.  some maxell's have freaky colors that show
through the middle of the art and look funny - avoid these colored discs.
top choices for price, reliability and non-intrusive labelling are: fuji,
verbatim, and sony.  note: i've had great luck with these:
5 pack cdr media in sleeves 74 min 650mb  wbcdr5sl  4.99 - from
http://www.wholesalebuys.com.  they're only a dollar a disc, and you can
just buy the jewel cases at walmart or wherever.  if you anticipate taking
anyone up on these offers often, it might be worth your time.

        best option:  just send the discs, with no jewel cases.  what you
would do here is carefully place clean, non fibrous poster board or other
stiff paper between the discs (just the little cdr cover that comes in the
jewel case is fine to use, and secure them in some way (wrap paper around
them and tape it) and mail that to me - that way your jewel cases don't get
broken. this is truly the best overall method in my opinion, and it even
saves you some postage. just make sure you secure the discs between
something stiff, like cardboard, so they don't get broken.

new and improved non-profit pledge
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i hereby promise not to sell my copies nor sell additional digital copies
that i may make of these indigo girls:

(circle one)

1. "early recordings volume i, ii, and iii" (3 cdrs - $3 for art)
2. "shades of indigo"   (1 cdr - $1 for art)
3. "9:30 club and more" (2 cdrs - $2 for art)
4. "montreal '94 +reverse one live" (2 cdrs - $2 for art)

...bootleg cds.  i will keep these cds in my possession and will not give
them away.  i will require all persons for whom i trade, supply, or
distribute digital copies of the above cds to sign this same pledge and
return it to me with their request, so that there is written record of all
bootleg owners originating from my duplication of  the above circled
bootleg. i may refer all inquiries for duplicate art to tara8595@yahoo.com.
i solemnly swear i will never attempt to profit from owning these cds.

signed_________________________________________

print name______________________________________

email address____________________________________

date____________________________________________

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print this out in its entirety and fill it out, including it in your
mailing.  if you don't have a printer, you may handwrite it out
in its entirety.  requests sent without this signed form will be
returned to sender, no exceptions. note that i really don't
want you giving these out as presents.  if you'd like to make this a gift,
print out this email, give it to the person in a wrapped box, have them fill
out the form, and you take care of the details for them.  i don't care how
you handle it as long as the owner of the discs has filled out this form.

mail the sase, discs, pledge, and $1 per disc for art to:

tara lane
po box 11305
richmond, va  23230

again, please be patient, and i'll have your discs back to you as soon as
it's humanly possible.

if you need tracklists for these, look them up on neil's site or the
lifeblood site.

take care everyone, and i hope y'all understand about the pledge and aren't
mad,
tara

statement from the mailing list faq:
"members of the list have asked amy and emily about the bootleg issue and
they have taken the "grateful dead" stance. that is, they have no problem
with fans taping shows (depending, of course, upon the venue policy), but
you are on your honor not to sell the recordings. trading is fine, and the
list's policy reflects amy's and emily's wishes. boots are free to be traded
for either another boot, a blank tape, goods to the equivalent value, or the
cost of the tape and postage. people selling homemade boots are not welcome
on the list. it is recommended that you don't do any business with someone
offering to sell you a boot because someone else will certainly trade with
you. and in order to help out those new to trading, boot traders are
encouraged to take a blank tape in return for a recording if the tradee has
nothing to offer. "

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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 10:59:04 -0500
reply-to:     elaine bean <bean@neu.edu>
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from:         elaine bean <bean@neu.edu>
organization: faculty senate office, northeastern university, boston, ma  02472
subject:      re: bootleg offer - 9:30, montreal '94/rev1live,
              early recordings,sh ades
x-to:         "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com>
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> top choices for price, reliability and non-intrusive labelling are: fuji,
> verbatim, and sony.  note: i've had great luck with these:
> 5 pack cdr media in sleeves 74 min 650mb  wbcdr5sl  4.99 - from
> http://www.wholesalebuys.com.

is there a difference between cds which say on the box "for computer use only"
and cds which say on the box "for audio recordings only".  the girl at the music
store said to use the ones stating "for music only"  (which are more expensive),
otherwise you get terrible sounding recordings.  however, it seems to me that i
have boots of shows that were burned onto plain old blank cds,  that is, not the
kind that stated they were not for music use only, and they sound wonderful.
what is the real story?  if i can save a few bucks by buying regular cds, i will
if the sound  quality won't be affected, but i want to know if it will.  any
help is appreciated!  thanks

elaine

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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 11:06:25 -0500
reply-to:     "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com>
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from:         "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com>
subject:      re: bootleg offer - 9:30, montreal '94/rev1live,
              early recordings ,sh ades
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as long as it is a cdr and not a cdrw, it is perfectly fine.  i dub discs at
2x speed, so *any* cdr is perfectly alright whether it's a sony for audio or
a verbatim "for computer".  that has been my experience.  maybe it differs
when you start looking at higher writing speeds, or perhaps there's a
difference when you're using that phillips cd recorder thingy.  i use a
writer and do the layout on the pc, so as long as it's a cdr, it should be
fine.  other offers may be different.

        >>"is there a difference between cds which say on the box "for
computer use only" and cds which say on the box "for audio recordings only".
the girl at the music store said to use the ones stating "for music only"
(which are more expensive), otherwise you get terrible sounding recordings.
"

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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 11:42:37 -0500
reply-to:     elaine bean <bean@neu.edu>
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from:         elaine bean <bean@neu.edu>
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mike sent me this in response to my question about cd quality and appropriate use  -

mike reynolds wrote:

> elaine - forward to the big list - the music girl is
> screwed up -
>
> the computer discs will only work on computers, audio
> discs are more expensive because they are subjected to
> taxes and such and used like with the phillips cd
> burner - which is a stereo component - they do not
> work on computers!!!!!
>
> mike r.

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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 11:43:12 -0500
reply-to:     phillip soloweszyk <psolowes@teksystems.com>
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|         >>"is there a difference between cds which say on the box "for
| computer use only" and cds which say on the box "for audio recordings
only".

if you have a piece of home audio equipment such as the philips cd recorder,
only the blank cd's labeled "for music" will work.  the reason is that the
companies who make the media, the cd's, have to pay royalty fees for digital
redistribution of music to the record companies and so they charge more for
audio discs that you have to have to use your philips cd-r.  these blank
cd's labeled just for music are exactly the same as the others you can buy
except that they have a small piece of code on them that signals they are
for audio.  if you try and use a regular cd-r in a philips or other home
audio recorder it won't work, but it makes no difference which kind you use
in a pc cd burner.

just to recap, there is no quality difference at all between "for audio"
cd-r's and the regular cd-r of choice you buy from a computer store.

phillip soloweszyk
systems engineer, teksystems
7312 parkway drive
hanover, md  21076
410-579-4948

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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 11:49:16 -0500
reply-to:     "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com>
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this was my response to mike (nice forward by the way, saying i'm 'screwed
up'):

well, just from the sheer quantity that i've done - like over 600 in the
past 4 months - i've had every imaginable type of disc sent to me, and not a
single person has needed a re-do.  i don't think there's a single type of
cdr that i haven't seen.  some say 'audio' and some say 'audio' and some
just say pc-recordable.  the way my software works, it requires a cdr for
audio and a cdrw for data, and that's the only distinction it makes.

again, i am only answering, as i said, based on my experience.
tara

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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 11:57:16 +0000
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from:         neil hunt <neil@andineil.com>
subject:      re: (nigc)      cd types
x-to:         lane@netspace.org, "tara e." <telane@trigon.com>

before the fistfight starts:

<<this was my response to mike (nice forward by the way, saying
i'm 'screwed up'):>>

i'd bet my hamster's life he was referring to the music store
chick.

"the girl at the music store said to use the ones stating "for
music only"  (which are more expensive), otherwise you get
terrible sounding recordings."

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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 12:12:15 -0500
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subject:      re: (nigc)      cd types
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on wed, 22 mar 2000, neil hunt wrote:

> "the girl at the music store said to use the ones stating "for
> music only"  (which are more expensive), otherwise you get
> terrible sounding recordings."

   well, if you're using the phillips cd recorder stereo component, those
are the only ones you can use.  the reason they are more expensive is not
because of higher manufacturing costs, but due to music industry
pressure about piracy, there's a small tariff levied on them, which (i
have read, not verified) goes to the mpaa.
   now, when it comes to cd-rs, not all are created equal (disclosure: i
work for kodak.com, and i've done some marketing work for the cd-r
division).  the big issue, when it comes to "gold" and all other
gimmicky cd-rs, is not "burnability" (0 coaster count here, even with
el-cheapo media), but "longetivity."
   unlike the industry claimed in the 80s, compact discs will not last
forever.  every physical media degrades over time, although compared to
magnetic media, cds are predicted to last far longer.  the technology has
not been around long enough for people to witness any significant
degradation, though.
   so certain respectable folks have devised tests that simulate extreme
conditions in order to "weather" the cds, to simulate the passage of
time.  they then compare the cd-r copies to the original discs
bit-for-bit, to see how much data has been lost.  supposedly, certain
alloys of gold and silver (instead of just silver), prolong disc life.
   of course, only the passage of time will tell whether these tests are
accurate - and of course, there has to be a pretty big amount of
degradation before you hear the difference in your music.  i don't have a
url on the top of my head, but if you're interested, i can find a review
site.  e-mail me.
   personally, i'm in the process of using uber-cheap cds to make copies
of all my pressed music discs, and then pricey gold discs for important
data, special bruce-legs, etc.  that's my 2 cents...

   darius

"there is no 'sauce' in mcdonald's.  you go in there and you go to the
back of the counter in the kitchen and if you see how they do those
things, i don't think you want to eat there after you see that."
   - carlos santana (on the spiritualism of music)

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wow. thanks for all that info! :) i have a 0 coaster count also on my
burner, and haven't noticed any appreciable difference between the "for
music" cd-rs and the "regular" ones. at least, i haven't heard any
complaints from people i burn stuff for. but the "regular" ones are
much cheaper, so that's what i recommend. harder to find, yes, but you
can order them online, like from microwarehouse.com and other computer
stores/ distributors.

thanks -
amy

>    now, when it comes to cd-rs, not all are created equal
> (disclosure: i
> work for kodak.com, and i've done some marketing work for the cd-r
> division).  the big issue, when it comes to "gold" and all other
> gimmicky cd-rs, is not "burnability" (0 coaster count here, even with
> el-cheapo media), but "longetivity."


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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 19:52:32 +0200
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tara wrote:

>>if you need tracklists for these, look them up on neil's site or the
lifeblood site.>>>

would someone please post the addy for neil's site, cos my bookmarks seem
to have disappeared...

thanks

kate


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be the things i miss...'
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"lane, tara e." wrote:

> this was my response to mike (nice forward by the way, saying i'm 'screwed
> up'):
>

i  assumed that mike was referring to the girl at the music store who attempted
to answer my question - mike was merely saying that her answer was incorrect.  i
really don''t think he was calling you screwed up.  that is my take on it.

elaine

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hey all :)
i live in wisconsin but am going to be in decatur
tomorrow for a job interview. i wanted to check out
watershed, but would love some company when i am
there.
anyone interested in meeting me there? my interview is
at 2:30pm.. my flight comes in at 10:30am... and i
leave around 6:30 i believe.... so i'm thinking dinner
or a beer?>
i don't know... email me back if you're interested :)
isn't it sad when someone travels 1,000 miles away to
have an interview just because of the indigo girls?
don't worry i'm not psycho... just thinking :)

hope to hear from ya!!!!!
katy wember :)

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address for the old ig board ("grass" board):

http://www.epicrecords.com/epiccenter/custom/83/messagesfr.html


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   i thought this little tidbit might prove interesting to the group --
there are a lot of highly political folks out there, and a bunch of folks
who aren't big fans of the tobacco industry -- but should the government
limit sponsorship of cultural events?
   imho, the people who are affected most are those folks who ain't gonna
get no jazz.  this includes me, but i'm not bitter....  *darius, put the
knife down...canadians are a peacful people...*

   darius

toronto jazz festival canceled for lack of sponsor
(all amounts in canadian dollars)

by julie remy

toronto (reuters) - the toronto jazz festival, one of canada's premier
musical showcases, has been canceled this year, a casualty of recent
legislation limiting tobacco-company sponsorship for the arts, organizers
said tuesday.

officials said they could not afford to put on the 10-day summer event in
canada's biggest city because the main sponsor, the du maurier brand of
cigarettes, was forced to cut its support to c$250,000 ($170,000) from c$1
million ($680,000).

the toronto jazz festival, rivaled in canada only by the larger annual
jazz event in montreal, has hosted a who's-who of jazz luminaries since
its inception in 1987, such as vocalist cassandra wilson, guitarist kenny
burrell and the late bebop pioneer dizzy gillespie.

du maurier, a cigarette brand owned by imperial tobacco ltd., has been the
event's top sponsor since the beginning.

''today's announcement was not made in a hope of a solution for this
year,'' jim galloway, artistic director of the toronto jazz society, told
reuters. ''we did say that if an angel were in the wings, it would have to
show up very soon -- within a week -- and bring over a million dollars.''

festival producer patrick taylor told local television that the tobacco
company warned organizers before last year's festival to expect the drop
in funding as a result of the federal legislation, adopted two years ago,
that restricts tobacco-company sponsorship of arts and cultural events.

''we have been working for two years to replace that money but we have not
been successful,'' taylor said.

the cost of putting on the festival runs between c$1.5 million and c$2
million. the remaining sponsors have committed up to c$300,000.

organizers said they did not want to economize on a festival lacking the
quality and big jazz names presented in previous years.

''we have set a standard over the past 13 years of what people should
expect from this event and it didn't make any sense to do a scaled-down
version of the event,'' taylor said.

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        sorry for taking offense.  i've been on edge a lot lately.  don't
worry.  it's driving my girlfriend crazy too. :)

        >>i  assumed that mike was referring to the girl at the music store
who attempted to answer my question - mike was merely saying that her answer
was incorrect.  i really don''t think he was calling you screwed up.  that
is my take on it.

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in a message dated 3/22/00 8:08:31 am pacific standard time,
telane@trigon.com writes:

> as long as it is a cdr and not a cdrw, it is perfectly fine.  i dub discs at
>  2x speed, so *any* cdr is perfectly alright whether it's a sony for audio
or
>  a verbatim "for computer".
i wondered about this myself. i used a "for home audio equipment only"
memorex disc on a yamaha 8x and it worked fine.
note: tdk now has 80 minute cdr in bulk at costco here in california. they
are in jewel cases, and they have white labels on them.  i like them because
the blood and fire boot will not fit on a 74.
--vesper

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i just read that amy's grandmother ozilline passed away.  how sad.

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a message from amy
        hello everyone... i am on the road to recovery from my surgical
experience. i appreciate all the get well wishes and support. i had surgery
in chicago on feb. 26th after suffering unknown symptoms for three weeks. my
diagnosis was a ruptured cyst on my ovary (ouch) and appendicitis -
basically a walking time bomb. the doctors and residents were amazing and i
am just glad i was near a good hospital.
        unfortunately we had to cancel our australian tour, but we will work
that out. now, it looks like we will be back on the road on march
30th-touring as a duo for a month until our band comes on board for the
summer tour season. the spring tour is going to be cool with the usual array
of special opening bands-rose polenzani, mrs.fun, danielle howle, michelle
malone,and the butchies. i will be raring to go by the end of march. at this
point i am just appreciating solid food again.
        i would also like to announce the passing of my dear grandmother -
ozilline. send up your prayers - she'll hear them... over and out... amy

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where did you read this?

>i just read that amy's grandmother ozilline passed away.  how sad.

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it is on the news side of the site http://www.indigogirls.com/news_frame.html
glad that she had the opportunity to do the song with her and share her with all of us.....
sparkie...

loralei riney
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bannerhealth system
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there seems to be a new date on the official site (or
maybe i just didn't notice it before):

april 21st colby college, waterville, me

also, let me spend a little time gushing bout my new
favorite band in the world, the nields (the check will
come later i suppose?).  if you lived here you'd be
home now is incredible, i just got it yesterday and
can't stop thinking about it.  they rock without
losing their folkie roots (take notes, ig!), folks
like dar the great and beth amsel and the kennedys add
their lovely vocals, nerissa recites a poem about
barbie, david n. sings lead on a song, and most
importantly, they thank their van in the liner notes.
are they cool or what?

okay, you may now return to your regularly scheduled
ig discussions.

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hi all,

don't know if i am late on letting everyone know this but the ig site is updated.
there is a message from amy letting us know how she is doing and she also added on a sad note that her grandmother ozilline passed away.

sorry about the sad news.

peace
sandy

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i went to a website to look for downloadable music, and there were ratings of
artists. one guy said something like, "i don't know why it's not pc to dis ig
but the reality is all their music sounds the same."
i don't know why this annoyed me so much. he's obviously ignorant.  i
introduced a friend to ig last week, and she commented on how diverse their
music is!
another person on the site said, "listen to joan armatrading and you will
know why this is not very good."
huh?
people have the right to their tastes, but to make uninformed statements is
not productive.
i could never pick a favourite song, artist, author, etc. because there are
so many good ones and my favourites change as my emotional needs and
intellectual development do.

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okay, my friend azadeh was one of the people on the committee who are
bringing the spitfire show to the university of cincinnati.  she told me
today that it will just be for uc students and faculty.   so, yeah, that
really bites.  but at least there is still jammin' on main the next day for
non-students.

also, she said that she got some kind of a flier from riverbend that listed
upcoming shows, and ig are on there for this summer.  i don't know of the
date or anything, though. is that old news?  i haven't been paying much
attention lately.

lovies.

liz


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hello everyone,

i have spent the past couple of weeks looking for info on the concert at =
american univ. on 4/16, and like everyone else, i have been blatantly =
unsuccessful in my search.  today i decided to get creative.  i started =
calling all the different groups on campus i could think of who might =
know something about it.  i finally got somewhere, at least, i got a =
small piece of information.

when i called the gay lesbian bisexual transgender allies and asked =
about the concert, they told me that it was unconfirmed, but that it is =
a strong possibility.  there is a concert scheduled for that day on the =
university master calendar but the band is listed as to be announced.  =
it is international/multicultural month at the university so the indigo =
girls do fit the theme, as there are other alternative type awareness =
events scheduled.  the last thing they told me was to keep checking the =
sab (student activities board) webpage and call them to see if anything =
develops.

as the concert is lised on the ig page, i would guess that we can take =
it seriously, and hopefully it is just that au hasn't made the =
announcement yet.

phillip soloweszyk
systems engineer, teksystems
7312 parkway drive
hanover, md  21076
410-579-4948

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to everyone.

obviously the guy that said "i don't know why it is
not pc to dis ig but the reality is all their music
sounds the same" is not a thinking man.

the one thing that attracted me to the indigo girls is
their capacity to make me think.  when i was younger i
loved to listen to metallica, slayer (junior high it
seems like all guys go through some heavy metal angst
faze) but when i finally started to listen to the
words i realized how empty the songs were.

ig have always made me stop to think about the world.
it's like very good art, literature, poetry, it causes
you to pause, reflect, and incorporate the lessons
learned into your everyday experience.

i guess that is why my music tastes have expanded so
much to include classical composers to appalachian
folk music of the early century.

there is nothing like the power of music in the human
experience.

so, i ask you all?  is this why you listen to the
indigo girls? or is there a different draw for y'all?

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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 17:58:31 -0500
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>>>if you need tracklists for these, look them up on neil's site or the
>lifeblood site.>>>
>
>would someone please post the addy for neil's site, cos my bookmarks seem
>to have disappeared...

www.andineil.com/indigogirls

and lifeblood is

www.lifeblood.net

bookmark them, link to them, tell your friends etc. etc...

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date:         thu, 23 mar 2000 04:13:52 +0400
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ok i have something to ask that is entirely hypothetical just on the
offchance that its entirely inappropriate and then i just wouldnt proceed
eh?

i am located in a part of the world (the middle east) that means that its
impossible for me to see the ig at all, so the possibility of booting any of
their work is not likely.  additionally, whilst i could participate in a
tree and would be willing to, the cost of sending and receiving from here is
too prohibitive for anyone but me to want to afford it. this means that i
cant really participate in a fair way in booting, where i can contribute in
any way.  it would be entirely inappropriate for me to offer anyone money
for this at all, otherwise i would have contacted that norty person on ebay,
which i didnt do (um, in the end).  so... the bottom line is that since i
cant offer anything, i wonder if there is some kind soul out there who is
doing some wonderful things for others without the benefit of a cdburner,
but would fer instance, like one, so that they could contribute in an even
more effective way to the booting of stuff?

this may be entirely inappropriate, and i dont know if what i am suggesting
is against the principles of booting etc, so pardon my cultural ignorance if
it is, but just a thought.  again i dont want to pay for boots, but the only
thing i have to offer is money - and this seems to only be about
contributing to the body of boot material out there, rather than about mass
production of items. plus i will send fantastic arabic cds to anyone who
wants em.

regards,
sandy

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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 19:27:07 est
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ok..sorry for the nigc...i am trying to reach as many people as i can about
this and this is one of the biggest lists i'm on.

my parents live in in tampa, fl and my dad is a golf pro. just the other day
he got his golf clubs stolen out of his car :( i know this sounds trivial -
but my dad had some favorite clubs - some of which were very expensive and
some that were very old (like that he's had since he was a kid..) anyway, he
is very depressed and of course the police are not really doing anything..if
anyone has any info on stolen golf clubs - like where they'd turn up - please
e-mail me privately. i've told them to check with other pros, check used
sporting goods stores, pawn shops and maybe even ebay.

any suggestions are welcome :( lisa

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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 19:46:10 est
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just a side note...a girl who is very kind was going to make me some cdr's of
some rose polenzani...her burner only accepts the "for audio" ones..i sent
her tdk cdr's (and i couldn't find anywhere on the box distinguishing them as
computer ones or home audio ones..) but they didn't work for her... so i
think there is some difference although i don't really know what since i
don't own a burner and know nada about the whole bit... but tara seems like
she can use any discs so we should be cool..

hey tara - is there a time limit on when we can send the cdr's?? i was kinda
hoping to get the ones back from the girl who can't use them and then send
them to you but it might be a week or so..

lisa (eagerly awaiting the early recordings from tara...)

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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 21:32:54 est
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helloooooooo out there!
does anyone have any info on this show? is it during the day? at night?
tickets? any info would be appreciated. :) now it's time for me to turn off
the computer and get some studying done....thanks!
peace,
becky
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date:         wed, 22 mar 2000 18:50:09 -0800
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i was just checking the tour section and realized this
wasn't up yet:
ig are playing the britt festival in jacksonville, or
on july 17th.  it's an awesome outdoor venue, and as
emily said at their last show there "it's like a big
picnic"
so yay!  i can finally see them after missing them by
weeks/days/hours for the past year and a half :)

-laurel

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if anyone can pass along some info on how to get tickets to the
manhattanville college show on the 15th i'll be your best friend ;)
thanks,
mindy
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date:         thu, 23 mar 2000 06:54:05 +0100
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hi all!

we got this email by someone who is looking for an ig song:
please don't reply to me, write to matt himself at
mbright60@aol.com :

i was wondering, i heard a really good song and i think it is by the
indigo girls.  it's called, i think, blackbird or blackbird fly?  if you
could help me, i'd appreciate it.
thanks
-matt

;o )

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unfortunately the folks at manhattanville feel as though their concert should
be closed to the public.  therefore, only manhattanville students are allowed
in.  i tried calling there myself and begging them but no luck.  unless you
can find a manhattanville student that can get you in you are out of luck,
just like me.  i just don't understand it.  i would think they would make
more money by opening it up to the public.  but i am happy to hear about the
maine show!

-kristin

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does anyone have info on where to get tickets to this show?  is it general
admission?  thanks!

-kristin

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i haven't seen anyone mention this yet (i don't think.......)

daemon is having their 10 year anniversary in may, and to celebrate, they've
put together some really special shows.  you can get more info, as it becomes
available, on their website:  http://www.daemonrecords.com.   check out the
"message board" section, as that's where the updates are being posted first.

may 18th - columbia, sc - elbow room
danielle howle & the tantrums, three finger cowboy, justin hale, amy
more bands to be decided

may 20th - charlotte, nc - fat city
danielle howle & the tantrums, ph balance, justin hale, 6x, amy all on the
outside stage
inside kaleidoscope krew will be spinning cool stuff

may 25th - nashville, tn - 12th and porter
danielle howle (solo), michelle malone, three finger cowboy, justin hale, amy
more bands to be decided

may 26th - atlanta, ga - echo lounge
danielle howle & the tantrums, 6x, michelle malone, gerard mchugh, ph
balance, kaleidoscope krew, amy
more bands to be decided

may 27th - asheville, nc - be here now
danielle howle & the tantrums, lift, the butchies, tami hart, amy (note: the
butchies, tami, and amy will be doing a set together, possibly including
stuff from amy's solo album, according to the website)
more bands to be decided

may 28th - chapel hill, nc - cat's cradle
danielle howle & the tantrums, lift, the butchies, tami hart, amy (again,
butchies, tami, amy etc. etc.)
more bands to be decided

this information was taken from the website.   all final lineups are still
being worked on, as well as advance ticket information.

=)
lisa

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date:         thu, 23 mar 2000 09:07:40 est
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ok, i just called colby student activities ( 207-872-3338) and she said
tickets are on sale now at the bull moose music stores ( 207-780-6424) and
are not on sale on campus yet due to spring break.
i called the bull moose but they do not take orders over the phone, she gave
me the # for ticketmaster but was not sure they were on sale thru them. i
checked the ticketmaster site last night and nothing was listed.

so, for right now looks like you have to go to the campus or to the bull
moose to get tickets ( portland and waterville).
i did not ask the time of the show or if they will be selling tickets over
the phone on campus. ( after thoughts)

the show itself is general admission.

have a great day!!
michelle

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date:         thu, 23 mar 2000 09:23:32 -0500
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hey gang.  seems like no matter how much info i put in the initial mailing,
i always leave stuff out.  several questions have come up, so i'm going to
send the answers to the list at large.  here we go.

1.  can we make mp3s from bootlegs we get from you and put them on the web?

no.  i repeat.  no.  please don't do this.  the change in the pledge policy
only allows you to duplicate only if you require and receive the same
non-profit pledge from people to whom you distribute.  if you put mp3s on
the web, you aren't requiring the pledge and you don't know who is getting
them.  this is very important to me y'all.  please please don't do this.

2. i'm from another country and i don't have american money or postage. can
i still get a bootleg?

yes.  definitely.  if you are in a country that is part of the universal
postal union (most are), then you may buy international postal coupons for
an amount equal to "the minimum postage for a priority item sent by air to a
foreign country".  you can weigh the return item, and then check here:
http://ircalc.usps.gov/ to find out how much it's going to cost me to mail
it back to you, and send enough coupons to cover it.  you can just send
enough extra blank cdr's to cover the art cost.  also, if you'd rather, you
can send extra cdrs to cover the postage cost.

3. can i send one check for all the art?

yes.  just put a note in your other mailers telling me that.

4. can i send all my return envelopes in one big envelope to you?

yes.  that's perfectly fine.  having them together when i get them is okay.
it's just better to be able to separate the return mailers after i get them,
because i do them in batches of the same disc.

5. can i just circle all the numbers and mail you one pledge if i want one
bootleg?

yep.  that's fine too.  if you send the requests to me separately, just put
a note in the mailers without the pledge, that it's coming in another
envelope.

6. is there a time limit on when i can send my request?

no.  this offer doesn't expire until i do, or my cd-writer dies from
exhaustion.  if you send it to me next year, the same policy will apply. but
i will let you know that the speediest people get their stuff back fairly
quickly, where the ones i get 2 weeks from now will likely take a really
long time, depending on how many people take me up on this.  the bigger the
batches are, the longer they take as a group to do, so if i get 20 requests
for early recordings in one day, well... that's 60 discs, and you won't get
yours until they're *all* finished.

i hope i've answered everything.  please don't hesitate to ask if you have
any further questions about anything.

love y'all,
tara

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date:         thu, 23 mar 2000 09:39:10 est
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midterms.  oy.
anyways, here's some shows for you.  the sonia tetlow band
<http://www.submediatv.com/stb> headlines all of these.

but, god, look at the openers--
doria roberts (creech tells me she's good)
and tara jane (plays various atmospheric emo string arrangements- she's
backed up come on an album or so)
and lift (i know i've been out of the igc swing of things, but weren't they
*defunct*?  is this a resurrection??).
wow.  run out and catch these if you can.  (julie liebes, i mean it-- go
hear these women.  don't make me get persnickety, kid.;))


good stuff jill would definitely go to if she were not in ohio capitalizing
everything and speaking of herself in the third person:

sunday, march 26, 9pm
oglethorpe university
(on peachtree st. past the brookhaven marta station)
with doria roberts and greta lee
**this is an early, outdoor show and its free, so bring a blanket and
dance beneath the stars**

wednesday, march 29, 10pm
the echo lounge (in east atlanta)
with tara jane o'neill and kitty snyder
**this'll be an eclectic show of folk and rock acts; a variety of
sonic sensations for your listening pleasure**

saturday, april 1, 10pm
smith's olde bar
with seely and lift
**what a great night of music. i think this show'll sell out, so get
there early and enjoy**

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hey, just wanted to let everybody know that the indigo girls got =
nominated for a bunch of glamas last night (gay & lesbian american music =
awards)
out recording for trouble
rock/alternative for go
out song for trouble
song of the year for go
producer of the year for trouble
best band/duo
best album for come on now social

sonia of disappear fear was nominated for a ton too
acoustic/folk for me, too
country for my baby
pop instrumental for shake it
out song for grass for the lamb
producer of the year for lovesick
female artist of the year

also toshi reagon, luscious jackson, mary gaulthier, and a ton of other =
talented people. my one complaint is that melissa etheridge got =
nominated for scarecrow, which i think was  written in poor taste...
and of course, my cool news: as of today, if you search amazon.com, you =
can find my cd!=20
now, personally, i recommend cutting out the corporate middleman and =
buying it from me, or at least buying it from ladyslipper or goldenrod =
or someplace cool like that (though it isn't quite in their catalogues =
yet, it will be!) but still, that was definitely my thrill for the day.
happy thursday, the end of the week is nigh

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well it's about time they got around here!  just saw this tour date on the ig page (glad i actually checked!)  they'll be playing here (asheville, nc) on april 27th... so who all is coming anyways??  (-:
cheers!
~erin

"though i might be a fool to say, i'm gonna see a few hands join before my dying day..." ~e. saliers

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sarah pinsker wrote:

> my one complaint is that melissa etheridge got nominated for
> scarecrow, which i think was  written in poor taste...

does anyone have the lyrics to the song scarecrow?  if so, could you
post them? i'm curious as to what they say, and i'd like to see for
myself, having never heard the song or read the lyrics - i have a friend
who also thinks the song is in poor taste also.  thanks,

elaine

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i can't say that scarecrow is one of the best on the cd...i think perhaps...my love, my beloved, sleep stronger than me, enough of me or breakdown would have been a much better choice. i think due to the subject matter and timing is why scarecrow as chosen....just my little thought...sparkie

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if you're not in the philidelphia area, or wanting to move to the
philadelphia area, please disregard, thanks!

hi everyone, this is way nigc, but i am searching for an
admin/receptionist/secretary type in my office and am passing the word
around everywhere i can.  if you're looking for such a position email
me and i'll send you the particulars.  my company is internet-based,
friendly, open-minded and team-oriented.

thanks!

jean


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> hey gang.  seems like no matter how much info i put in the initial
> mailing,
> i always leave stuff out.  several questions have come up, so i'm
> going to
> send the answers to the list at large.  here we go.
>
> 1.  can we make mp3s from bootlegs we get from you and put them on
> the web?
>
> no.  i repeat.  no.  please don't do this.  the change in the pledge
> policy
> only allows you to duplicate only if you require and receive the same
> non-profit pledge from people to whom you distribute.  if you put
> mp3s on
> the web, you aren't requiring the pledge and you don't know who is
> getting
> them.  this is very important to me y'all.  please please don't do
> this.
>
> 2. i'm from another country and i don't have american money or
> postage. can
> i still get a bootleg?
>
> yes.  definitely.  if you are in a country that is part of the
> universal
> postal union (most are), then you may buy international postal
> coupons for
> an amount equal to "the minimum postage for a priority item sent by
> air to a
> foreign country".  you can weigh the return item, and then check
> here:
> http://ircalc.usps.gov/ to find out how much it's going to cost me to
> mail
> it back to you, and send enough coupons to cover it.  you can just
> send
> enough extra blank cdr's to cover the art cost.  also, if you'd
> rather, you
> can send extra cdrs to cover the postage cost.
>
> 3. can i send one check for all the art?
>
> yes.  just put a note in your other mailers telling me that.
>
> 4. can i send all my return envelopes in one big envelope to you?
>
> yes.  that's perfectly fine.  having them together when i get them is
> okay.
> it's just better to be able to separate the return mailers after i
> get them,
> because i do them in batches of the same disc.
>
> 5. can i just circle all the numbers and mail you one pledge if i
> want one
> bootleg?
>
> yep.  that's fine too.  if you send the requests to me separately,
> just put
> a note in the mailers without the pledge, that it's coming in another
> envelope.
>
> 6. is there a time limit on when i can send my request?
>
> no.  this offer doesn't expire until i do, or my cd-writer dies from
> exhaustion.  if you send it to me next year, the same policy will
> apply. but
> i will let you know that the speediest people get their stuff back
> fairly
> quickly, where the ones i get 2 weeks from now will likely take a
> really
> long time, depending on how many people take me up on this.  the
> bigger the
> batches are, the longer they take as a group to do, so if i get 20
> requests
> for early recordings in one day, well... that's 60 discs, and you
> won't get
> yours until they're *all* finished.
>
> i hope i've answered everything.  please don't hesitate to ask if you
> have
> any further questions about anything.
>
> love y'all,
> tara
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just heard this from don law -

ellen degeneres
at the orpheum theatre
sunday, may 14, 2000 at 8:00 pm
tickets are $38.50, $33.50, and $28.50
tickets go on sale friday, march 31, at 10 a.m. through ticketmaster

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in a message dated 3/23/0 2:34:49 am, indigo_36@hotmail.com wrote:

<<helloooooooo out there!
does anyone have any info on this show? is it during the day? at night?
tickets? any info would be appreciated. :) now it's time for me to turn off
the computer and get some studying done....thanks!
peace,
becky
_____________>>

from what i gather, it is a 2 day event, both during the day and at night.
tickets for one day are $10, and can be purchased at the door or whatever.

emily

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wow, does anyone else know if she's going to be anywhere else? oh and
speaking of ellen, my friends went to l.a. for spring break and saw her adn
met her and talked to her and took pictures. apparently she was interviewing
people for her new show. ill post the pics up when they get them back.
maritsa

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i have one sticker from the swamp ophelia tour. i remember a few years back someone offered up a huge list of bumper stickers they had. i am looking for any other ig stickers and two others.....hate is not a family value ......my other car is a broom......a very special pagan is looking for those i told her i would check here....thanks ya'll...

sparkie.....

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for activism type bumpers stickers try
www.donellycolt.com
www.northernsun.com
and their respective print catalogs
or attend your local folk festival :)

-jon/jack/turtle

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> i am looking for
> any other ig stickers and two others.....hate is not
> a family value ......my other car is a broom......


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per someone's request, here's the lyrics to melissa ethridge's "scarecrow"
(taken from a fan website):

scarecrow

showers of your crimson blood
seep into a nation calling up a flood
of narrow minds who legislate
thinly veiled intolerance
bigotry and hate
but they tortured and burned you
they beat you and they tied you
they left you cold and breathing
for love they crucified you
i can't forget hard as i try
this silhouette against the sky
scarecrow crying
waiting to die wondering why
scarecrow trying
angels will hold
carry your soul away
this was our brother
this was our son
this shepherd young and mild
this unassuming one
we all gasp this can't happen here
we're all much too civilized
where can these monsters hide
but they are knocking on our front door
they're rocking in our cradles
they're preaching in our churches
and eating at our tables
i search my soul
my heart and in my mind
to try and find forgiveness
this is someone child
with pain unreconciled
filled up with father's hate
mother's neglect
i can forgive but i will not forget
scarecrow crying
waiting to die
wondering why
scarecrow trying
rising above all in the name of love
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does anyone on this list knows how i can get onto the
tori amos email list? please email me privately if you
have any info on this.

many thanks,
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hmmm... pardon me for saying so, but i don't really think very highly of the
album on the whole. the music is very pop-oriented, (every song looks for
radio-ability), and that gives the whole album a very homogenous (sp?) sound.
it's solid, and consistant, and i usually love me in most of her musical
exploits, but i was very dissapointed with this cd.

*puts on her flame-proof bandana*

just so you know, i have been sneered at, argued with, and outright yelled at
for this opinion. it seems that it is politically incorrect to criticize
either estabilshed musicians, or for a queer person to criticize a queer
artist, especially if they are relatively famous.

(fyi - i criticize cds and other musical stuff for a living, so while i may
not know what i'm talking about, you can't make me retract my decision without
contacting my editor. so there)

love and light,

meredith


loralei riney <loralei.riney@bannerhealth.com> wrote:
i can't say that scarecrow is one of the best on the cd...i think perhaps...my
love, my beloved, sleep stronger than me, enough of me or breakdown would have
been a much better choice. i think due to the subject matter and timing is why
scarecrow as chosen....just my little thought...sparkie


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yep, another update:-)

i just spoke with nicole saul of the student activities board at au.  =
she says that even though the ig concert at au is listed on the ig =
website, it is not a confirmed concert.  au has not yet signed a =
contract with the ig yet and so of course there is no info on ticket =
sales.  from talking to many of the different offices and groups on =
campus, there is definitely a buzz around campus that the concert will =
happen, but the people who are responsible won't confirm it yet.  the =
folks at the university box office say that they rarely do concerts that =
aren't open to the general public, so we should all be ok as far as =
ticket sales go.

i love tracking down this info, makes me feel like i can put my =
professional skills to good use!

as always, i will let y'all know as soon as i do

phillip soloweszyk
systems engineer, teksystems
7312 parkway drive
hanover, md  21076
410-579-4948

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according to jamieann (she is the "web mistress" of the official ig web
site) if the show is listed in the tour section then it has been confirmed.
i don't know what that means to people trying to get tickets.  i just
thought i would share that info.

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yep, another update:-)

i just spoke with nicole saul of the student activities board at au.  she
says that even though the ig concert at au is listed on the ig website, it
is not a confirmed concert.  au has not yet signed a contract with the ig
yet and so of course there is no info on ticket sales.  from talking to many
of the different offices and groups on campus, there is definitely a buzz
around campus that the concert will happen, but the people who are
responsible won't confirm it yet.  the folks at the university box office
say that they rarely do concerts that aren't open to the general public, so
we should all be ok as far as ticket sales go.

i love tracking down this info, makes me feel like i can put my professional
skills to good use!

as always, i will let y'all know as soon as i do

phillip soloweszyk
systems engineer, teksystems
7312 parkway drive
hanover, md  21076
410-579-4948

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i suppose it is in "poor taste" to be so blunt about things that are actually
happening? i don't understand.  perhaps she should have sugarcoated it with
more easily palatable euphemisms?
hmmm...

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date:         thu, 23 mar 2000 15:05:24 -0500
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miranda,

i am guessing that you got this "according to jamieann (she is the "web
mistress" of the official ig web site) if the show is listed in the tour
section then it has been confirmed.." off of the other board.  the thread
came from a comment i made and with this in mind, i called au back looking
for more info, the info i just posted was in relation to that and taking
jamieann's thoughts into account.  btw, i was just guessing that jamieann is
the "webmistress," so don't take that as hard fact, yet:-)

phillip soloweszyk
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date:         thu, 23 mar 2000 15:06:14 est
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<< hate is not a family value . >>
i got one of these bumper stickers free from a mailing from now, i think.. i
am on all these gay/lesbian mailing lists so i get all sorts of free stickers
in the mail :p

lisa

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date:         thu, 23 mar 2000 12:17:08 pst
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hi all! i really love this list! i always look forward the tid bits of info
and sharing other peoples opions. while reading the postings from today i
came across the one regarding the gay music awards. you go girls!!!! every
award they are nominated for they rightly deserve!!! i am quite curious,
though, as to why some feel that the me song scarecrow was in bad taste? i
personally found that song one of the most spine tingling, intense, raw
songs i have ever heard.  i love melissa and think she, like the 'girls', is
extremely talented and an incredible musician.  i respect her
"straight"forward,(ok im corny in my humor!!) honest approach represented in
her songwriting and, more importantly, in her day to day life.  she actually
wrote that song unintentially, if thats a word!! the womens world cup soccer
team had approached her and requested her to write a theme song for them.
she was about to start writing that when she was watching tv and saw the
horrendous news on matthew shepard. she just started writing her feelings
down and a song was born. i think, lryicly, this is one of her very best
songs, from a writers perspective. the song was explicit, grossely accurate,
full of hard truth imagery and no holds bar. when i first heard it i
literally got goose bumps and almost started to cry. she contacted matthew's
mother and she was very touched by the song. the two of them have since done
some work together. i apologize for goin on about something nigc. actually,
for that matter, i would love to see amy, emily, me, and ani all on one
stage goin crazy in a wicked wild jam session!! woa that would rock beyond
belief!!!!i love collabaration among artists! especially my favorite
artists! i have that totally wacky emotional disposition that wants all my
friends to love eachother as much as i love them, and i fell the same way
about my fav musicians!! i want everyone to love eachother!! emily and amy
said it best..."come on people now, shine on your brother, everybody get
together, try to one another right now!!" (oohhh i hope i quoted that right,
but if not, i know i was close!!) i respect others peoples opinions almost
always, and i in no way what so ever mean to offend anyone. i hate
disagreements and dont like pissin people off! i would be very interested to
hear if anyone had similar or different views regarding this song! i always
feel like a more rounded thinker if i understand others point of view,
opinions, and reasoning! if anyone wants to discuss this further and doesnt
find it appropiate on the board, feel free to email me! i hope everyone has
a wonderful day! by the way, i just wanted everyone to know that being on
this list and listening to so many of you share your ideas, beliefs, and
opinions on various issues, not to mention the extreme kind hearted
generosity that is constantly demonstrated in the giving of time in regards
to cd trading or anything for that matter, has given me hope that maybe the
world isnt as hollow, empty, self-rightious, ignorant, ruthless, and cruel
as i sometime feel it is! its nice to know there are damn good people still
out there spreading love, kindness, and compassion!! again, i am sorry for
the long post! i need to learn the definition of consisce!! (i should learn
how to spell in the process!!!!) god bless yas!!(or whom ever your higher
power may be!!)

....."is the glass half full or emty, i ask her as i fill it, she said it
doesn't really matter, pretty soon im bound to spill it"....
                                                       ig

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date:         thu, 23 mar 2000 16:42:00 est
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in a message dated 3/23/00 12:21:06 pm pacific standard time,
lisa071573@aol.com writes:

> << hate is not a family value . >>
>  i got one of these bumper stickers free from a mailing from now, i think..
i
>  am on all these gay/lesbian mailing lists so i get all sorts of free
> stickers
>  in the mail :p
they have that in the form of stickers, license plate frames, t-shirts, etc.
as well as a lot of other great stuff near me, in west hollywood at a place
called "don't panic"

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date:         thu, 23 mar 2000 13:51:58 pst
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my wife lives in cincy and might be able to find out some particulars for
you...it is a street event and so you simply find parking downtown...wander
around til you find the band you like..and there should be ticket booths
around in which you can purchase your entry wristband or whatever...or
sometimes you can get them ahead of time at various businesses...i'm not
sure which day ig would be playing so i'll try and find out if that's set
yet and let ya'll know...uc is a closed event so the rest of us will have to
rely on the street party...
:d
rugbygrrl

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>date: thu, 23 mar 2000 12:05:32 -0500
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>in a message dated 3/23/0 2:34:49 am, indigo_36@hotmail.com wrote:
>
><<helloooooooo out there!
>does anyone have any info on this show? is it during the day? at night?
>tickets? any info would be appreciated. :) now it's time for me to turn off
>the computer and get some studying done....thanks!
>peace,
>becky
>_____________>>
>
>from what i gather, it is a 2 day event, both during the day and at night.
>tickets for one day are $10, and can be purchased at the door or whatever.
>
>emily
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date:         thu, 23 mar 2000 13:54:51 pst
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ohhhhhh!...northern sun is a great company to do business with...very active
and very creative in their products...and they take customer suggestions for
sayings, slogans, etc, for t-shirts, bumper stickers, pins, products, etc...
...and they have both of those bumper stickers that you're looking for...at
least the last time i looked they did...plus about 200 more...
enjoy!

rugbygrrl

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>date: thu, 23 mar 2000 12:48:31 -0500
>
>for activism type bumpers stickers try
>www.donellycolt.com
>www.northernsun.com
>and their respective print catalogs
>or attend your local folk festival :)
>
>-jon/jack/turtle
>
>--- loralei riney <loralei.riney@bannerhealth.com>
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> > i am looking for
> > any other ig stickers and two others.....hate is not
> > a family value ......my other car is a broom......
>
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date:         thu, 23 mar 2000 17:20:45 est
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i don't know if y'all received this. i've been away for quite awhile and
haven't read any emails...

*********

tickets are on sale now for the tracy chapman/catie curtis concert at brown
university! it's general admission, and it benefits a very good cause, lots
of tickets are still available.. so if you're on any other fan lists of any
kind, please pass this along! it will be a great show!


tracy chapman/catie curtis
venue info:  brown university
location:  providence, ri
date and time:  friday, april 07, 2000 8:00pm
price:  $25.00
charge by phone #:  401-331-2211

                         tickets also available online @
www.ticketmaster.com

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date:         thu, 23 mar 2000 08:39:48 -0800
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subject:      difinitive colby tix info - fwd to all ig lists
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just got off the phone with bullmoose -

1. no phone sales whatsoever

2. there is no limit on how many an individual can buy

3. show is supposedly at 9 pm - no opener info.

4. all bullmoose stores are selling them (each store
may not know that yet..(there is one in portsmorth,
the manager said there were 2 in nh)

5. no idea if colby is selling over the phone - do not
bug bullmoose - i *know* they sent tixs for bates 97 -
they *know* this - they can't do it this time.

6. i dunno my schedule - i don't want to be
responsible for someone not getting tixs, and i am
sorta broke - unless i know you real well, have done
favors for me in the past, ect - i can do my best - i
will be in the beantown area this weekend - i hardly
ever get to my po box - so like - i did this for 97
bates - simply cant promise to do it.

7. don't bug bullmoose - they are very aware of the
need from the list (i explaiuned the info) you may
want to check with colby - they may possibly set
something up....


8. any other maine listee's wanna help?

9. i may have a place for someone to crash if needed.
there are a bunch of cheap lodging places if you need
info...

10 - i need a ride home to lewiston after the show -
this is on the way to boston.

11. if my life is a bit more manageable - (once i am
done covering chris reeve's speech in boston, moving,
seeing csny , catpower and getting over my cold - i
may be able to pick tixs up for people

mike r.

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date:         thu, 23 mar 2000 19:59:37 -0500
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i know you all exist (hi deb! hi neil!)

are any of you seeing tracy soon (tour starts in cinci?? please tape it??)

seriously - if you have any inclkination in taping a show - tracy boots are
extremely rare (yes - rarer than kate bush or joni mitchell these days)

mono analog would be fine - i will even send a recorder if needed...

if you are taping a show - let me know privately - i'll set up a private
list and will keep you anon if needed - hell - i could possibly seed all the
show digitally - real audio like at www.sugarmegs.org and a cue sheet...

i hope to at least find a source for the atlanta show!
(considering the list locale...)

i could be game for at least boston and providence - i could - if tickets
show up - be coaxed into dc

mike r.
*please* fwd to the tracy list if your on it...

and of course - absolutely no financial gain...

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date:         thu, 23 mar 2000 20:38:33 -0500
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hey gang,
  here's the official info for the cornell show...

indigo girls
with danielle howle
10 april 2000          barton hall              7:30 pm

> tickets on sale to cornell students on march 29th  -  $12
> general public on march 31st  -  $18
>
> tickets sold at willard straight hall,
> ithaca guitar works and all ticketmaster locations
dave
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date:         thu, 23 mar 2000 17:52:07 -0800
reply-to:     denise <jingles31@excite.com>
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i heard a rumor that me didn't even write her own stuff.  is this just a
rumor?
anyone know?

denise

"if i don't see ya good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good
night"
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date:         thu, 23 mar 2000 22:03:46 est
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hey y'all.......while we are on the subject of stickers, pretty soon i will
be offering some cool ig decals that i have designed one of wich i have had
many compliments on my truck. i just have to figure out how much it would be
for the supplies i need and all but other than ig i have also made ani decals
for my friends too, so i reckon i can put any band you want but i just don't
know of any other band y'all would want then the girls lol! but i probably
wouldn't charge any more than $5 for them just to pay for the supplies to
make them....and i will have some photo's up on my website soon....but i was
just lettin y'all know so ya can look fer it :) and no this is not a spam
thingy, this is just a thing i wanna do so that we can all show our love for
"the girls" :) keep checking back at my website in the next few weeks and
there should be some pics up soon okie dokie? take care y'all! my website: <a
href="http://www.angelfire.com/sys/popup_source.shtml?category=">inside the
mind of an indie junkie</a> <------click here :)

mandy :)

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date:         thu, 23 mar 2000 22:46:08 -0600
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>
> cara posted:
>
> > personally found that song one of the most spine tingling, intense, raw
> > songs i have ever heard.  i love melissa and think she, like the
'girls',
> is
> > extremely talented and an incredible musician.
>
> for what it is worth, i found the song not to be in poor taste but a
> reflection of how some of us feel in society about the innocent slayings
of
> others no matter what or who they are.
>
> i am reminded of what amy said about what this train revised was about.
she
> wanted to share how she felt about the*shedding of innocent blood* after
> visiting the holocaust memorial. maybe some thought that was in poor
taste.
> i didn't. but for me, i gain respect for every artist who can speak to the
> masses of our world (or to those who listen to their music ) and remind us
> to be more sensitive to evils of this world.
>
> my .2 bits,
> paula
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date:         thu, 23 mar 2000 22:57:15 -0800
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i checked the www.stopdrlaura.com site and went to the news section. one of
the press releases involved the cbs affiliate stalling plans to air the dr.
laura show because of a gruesome killing.

a man killed his stepson, dismembered him, and burned him in acid. then he
scrawled "gay nigger number one" on his skull. he killed himself after
calling a news station and admitting he did it.

i thought, no, sdl had to be making this up because there is no way
something this horrifying could happen here so i decided to do some
sleuthing of my own. here are some links. you may have to sign in for the
nytimes site.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/a/ap-rooftop-suicide.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/2000-03-23/news_and_views/crime_file/a-61006.asp

http://www.msnbc.com/news/385667.asp

does it have to come to this to get king5 and other media outlets to act
responsibly and refuse to give a demagogue a platform from which to spew her
hate speech? i am not completely comfortable with our attempts to grab onto
these as a cause celebre'. but these things happen and i believe they happen
because of certain people in the public eye who encourage an atmosphere that
allows others to dehumanize us.

ryan
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date:         fri, 24 mar 2000 02:09:43 est
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i was wondering if anyone had any information on this year's line-up for the
folk festival...it is usually up on the web-site by now but seeing as ben and
jerry is not sponsoring it this year, maybe they are having some troubles.
if anyone has any information on the dates as well please pass it along.
thank-you!

-kristin

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date:         fri, 24 mar 2000 02:46:40 -0500
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hate is rooted in fear - demagogues fan the flames....

can there be any more difficult existence in this country than that of a
young, gay black man???

tim

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> i checked the www.stopdrlaura.com site and went to the news section. one
of
> the press releases involved the cbs affiliate stalling plans to air the
dr.
> laura show because of a gruesome killing.
>
> does it have to come to this to get king5 and other media outlets to act
> responsibly and refuse to give a demagogue a platform from which to spew
her
> hate speech? i am not completely comfortable with our attempts to grab
onto
> these as a cause celebre'. but these things happen and i believe they
happen
> because of certain people in the public eye who encourage an atmosphere
that
> allows others to dehumanize us.

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well maybe not more difficult but certainly similar would be transgenders.

> -----original message-----

>
> hate is rooted in fear - demagogues fan the flames....
>
> can there be any more difficult existence in this country than that of a
> young, gay black man???

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date:         fri, 24 mar 2000 07:43:15 -0500
reply-to:     kelly fairbairn <fairbk@sage.edu>
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subject:      re: any info on newport folk festival?
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on fri, 24 mar 2000, kristin roberts wrote:

> i was wondering if anyone had any information on this year's line-up for the
> folk festival...it is usually up on the web-site by now but seeing as ben and
> jerry is not sponsoring it this year, maybe they are having some troubles.
> if anyone has any information on the dates as well please pass it along.
> thank-you!

i've been poking around the flem-tam website and pollstar to see who's
booked already.  so far the friday night show looks like cheryl wheeler,
lucy kaplansky, john gorka and cliff eberhardt.  i can't remember which
days these artists are booked, but i saw dar williams, mary chapin
carpenter, bela fleck and the flecktones all have nff on their
itineraries.  perhaps in the coming weeks we'll see more?  anyone hear
anything else?

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>i suppose it is in "poor taste" to be so blunt about things that are
actually
>happening? i don't understand.  perhaps she should have sugarcoated it with
>more easily palatable euphemisms?
>hmmm...

i feel that this song is in poor taste because of the crucifixion imagery.
his mother and friends asked that people refrain from referring to matthew
as a gay martyr, and refrain from crucifixion imagery. i don't doubt
melissa's intentions, but this song left a bad taste in my mouth, mostly
because i feel that she is  a  capitalizing, elitist sell-out. she writes
good songs, she is good for gay visibility in a mostly straight music world,
but she is  *not* one of my heroes. she prices shows above where many of her
fans can afford them, blindly supports hrc. she speaks up when she is asked,
which is often, but doesn't always back up her words. an example: camp
sister spirit in mississippi.  a few years ago, this women's safe space-camp
was under fire, literally, by its neighbors. a lot of public figures and
musicians, including melissa spoke up and said that what these women were
doing down in mississippi was wonderful and brave, but right before their
big women's festival, every one of them cancelled when shots were fired into
the camp. the *only* musician from the lineup who didn't cancel was sonia.
my personal hero. indigo girls tend to be way better than melissa at putting
their money where their mouths are. they are continually touring, and
sometimes their ticket prices are high, sometimes low. they support
grassroots activism. their lyrics are ten times more profound than melissa's
have ever been. give me indigo girls or disappear fear over melissa any day.
they are groups i can believe in.

sarah

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> i was wondering if anyone had any information on this year's line-up for the
> folk festival...it is usually up on the web-site by now but seeing as ben and
> jerry is not sponsoring it this year, maybe they are having some troubles.
> if anyone has any information on the dates as well please pass it along.
> thank-you!

the newport lineup is always announced around mid-may, whihc is also
when they update the website.  right now, only bits of lineups are
available as individual artists list the weekend in their itineraries.
indigo girls and mary chapin carpenter will both be there.  this year's
dates are august 4-6.

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i was searching the iup website for info on the 4/7 show and found this
article which talks about the ig list.  it's pretty interesting. if you want
to check it out it's at:

http://www.iup.edu:80/en/workdays/frailberg.html#anchor1012089

kris s.
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date:         fri, 24 mar 2000 09:32:24 -0500
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" can there be any more difficult existence in this country than that of a
young, gay black man???"

this is a really sad thing to say, and i think it can only come from a lack
of interest in the lives of others. people must begin to realize that life
is hard for many people, and though it may be hard in different ways, it is
not good, fair, or possible to compare ones hardships to anothers.

you may have a 22 year old guy who is straight and good looking with a good
career, but he made bad decisions when he was just a bit younger and now
can't get any credit, so he can't travel with his friends, or do the things
that others in his peer group do.  he gets left out and left behind of
social activities and cannot keep up just becasue of some common financial
mistakes.  he is in many ways seperated from the society his life choices
have put him into.

a 34 year old single mom who has a good career and 2 smart young boys.. she
is doing ok for herself, and an amazing job of putting a life back together.
unfortunately, she is the only support her children have, so when they have
trouble in school, mom has to leave work early to help, if they get sick,
goodbye work, suspended, can't come to work. good kids, normal kids,
stressed mother with the world on her shoulders.

both of these situations show people with promise, but a hard time.

any harder than someone else's?  who are we to judge?
phillip soloweszyk
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all i meant to say was that having to deal with institutionalized racism and
homophobia is doubly hard, not to belittle anyone else's situation.  the
hour was late and i was emotionally moved by the tragedy of the situation.
i thought that those who 'knew' me from my previous posts would
understand,,,,

tim

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> " can there be any more difficult existence in this country than that of a
> young, gay black man???"
>
> this is a really sad thing to say, and i think it can only come from a
lack
> of interest in the lives of others. people must begin to realize that life
> is hard for many people, and though it may be hard in different ways, it
is
> not good, fair, or possible to compare ones hardships to anothers.

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date:         fri, 24 mar 2000 11:08:56 -0500
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can someone please tell me if the weekend passes for the nff also give you
admittance to friday night's activities at the bellevue hotel as well, or do you
have to buy tix for the friday night event separate?  thanks

elaine

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havanamoon wrote:

> all i meant to say was that having to deal with institutionalized racism and
> homophobia is doubly hard, not to belittle anyone else's situation.  the
> hour was late and i was emotionally moved by the tragedy of the situation.
> i thought that those who 'knew' me from my previous posts would
> understand,,,,
>
> tim
>
> ----- original message -----
> from: phillip soloweszyk <psolowes@teksystems.com>
> to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
> sent: friday, march 24, 2000 9:26 am
> subject: re: nigc: i am about to be sick
>
> > " can there be any more difficult existence in this country than that of a
> > young, gay black man???"
> >
> > this is a really sad thing to say, and i think it can only come from a
> lack
> > of interest in the lives of others. people must begin to realize that life
> > is hard for many people, and though it may be hard in different ways, it
> is
> > not good, fair, or possible to compare ones hardships to anothers.
>
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at 11:04 am 03/24/2000 -0500, elaine bean wrote:
>can someone please tell me if the weekend passes for the nff also give you
>admittance to friday night's activities at the bellevue hotel as well, or
>do you
>have to buy tix for the friday night event separate?  thanks
the weekend pass does not include any of the activities on friday night,
you do need to purchase separate tickets.

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both of your examples face financial hardships, true enough, but i daresay
that they don't face the threat of violence that gays encounter in their
daily lives...

----- original message -----
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> you may have a 22 year old guy who is straight and good looking with a
good
> career, but he made bad decisions when he was just a bit younger and now
> can't get any credit, so he can't travel with his friends, or do the
things
> that others in his peer group do.  he gets left out and left behind of
> social activities and cannot keep up just becasue of some common financial
> mistakes.  he is in many ways seperated from the society his life choices
> have put him into.
>
> a 34 year old single mom who has a good career and 2 smart young boys..
she
> is doing ok for herself, and an amazing job of putting a life back
together.
> unfortunately, she is the only support her children have, so when they
have
> trouble in school, mom has to leave work early to help, if they get sick,
> goodbye work, suspended, can't come to work. good kids, normal kids,
> stressed mother with the world on her shoulders.
>
> both of these situations show people with promise, but a hard time.
>
> any harder than someone else's?  who are we to judge?

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sorry i haven't responded to any posts/e-mails about the eku show.  it is a really busy time for me.

anyway, i won't be able to leave southcentral ohio (near dayton) until 2pm.  so i am estimating i'll arrive around 5:30-6pm?  are beccie and becky the only other 2 listees going?  i honestly can't imagine that getting a good spot will be too hard.  the eku students have classes and i'm sure no one will really line up too early (i remember when the violent femmes came to my school on a friday night, i arrived 10 minutes before the show and got right up front.  there were a few obsessed fans, but mostly students like myself).  anyway...

so who wants to meet?  :-)

:-) karen

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hey..there is another cool site i forgot to mention that has lots of spiffy
stickers and darwin fishes. http://www.evolvefish.com  - i've ordered from
them before and they are very fast. my favorite sticker of theirs is "to hell
with the baptists, i'm going to disneyland"  lol :)

hey can someone point me to the tracy chapman list? and does anyone know if
she is coming to northern cali? the only ca dates i've seen are for l.a.

oh and melissa etheridge writes her own songs...and i like scarecrow and the
whole cd. so there.

oh hey barbara kessler plug: her new cd came out and it rocks :) go to
www.cdfreedom.com to listen to samples of her... or e-mail me and i'll send
you a bk sampler tape :)

lisa

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hey i just e-mailed the newport folk fest and got the answer back from them
that lineups were not final or public yet... hopefully soon!
lisa

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hi - no official announcement on these yet, but it looks like the
fleetboston (a.k.a. harborlights) pavilion will have a pretty good run
of shows this summer!


05/28/00        joni mitchell            on sale 04/03/00

06/10/00        indigo girls

06/11/00        indigo girls

07/08/00        susan tedeschi

i'll post any more info as i get it.
later.
-sarah

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okay, i don't usually post "me too"s but this article kicks some serious
ass!!!  go there now and read it!  and give me a hallelujah!

chris ii, who hasn't posted in about a hundred years....


>i was searching the iup website for info on the 4/7 show and found this
>article which talks about the ig list.  it's pretty interesting. if you
want
>to check it out it's at:
>
>http://www.iup.edu:80/en/workdays/frailberg.html#anchor1012089
>
>kris s.
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i have also heard that the non local bands (such as ig), would  play on
saturday night.  also.. someone told me the festival is free, however to get
to where the bands are playing you must get a 10 dollar ticket.  i have just
heard this by people that went in years past.. so im not positive,   but i
will find out.
lori


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i kinda feel bad for posting this sort of random, unimportant story, but i am
so frustrated right now and i figured maybe i would feel better if i shared
it with people who might understand.  the girls are coming to the tampa
theatre (a beautiful historical landmark, not a bad seat in the house) in
may, and tickets went on sale today at noon.  well, i figured there would be
a line, so i got there at 9am...just to be safe.  to my surprise, i was the
first person there....oooh, i was soooo excited.  an hour passes, it's now
ten, and these two homeless men come up to me and ask me to read a newspaper
article about the mayor of tampa and his efforts to rid the streets of bums
before the super bowl comes next year.  i didn't really have any extra money
(tickets were 36 bucks!!) but i figured if they just wanted someone to sit
and talk with then that would be a great way to pass the time, so i sat with
them at a table outside the cafe adjacent to the theatre.  as i was reading
the article i noticed what i thought was a tv reporter doing a live shot on
the curb about ten feet from me, but didn't pay much attention.  about ten
minutes later, this man comes up and sits at the table with us and starts
talking about homeless shelters and employment oppurtunities for the
homeless....turns out it was no reporter, it was the mayor himself.  he
bought these guys breakfast and sat and talked with us for...oh must have
been an hour or so...which brings me back to igc.  at this point i remember
why i am downtown in the first place...but it's too late, a line has
formed!!!!  =(
i was tenth in line...i didn't get bad seats, but i could have had a lot
better...so i am kind of moping.  sorry to bore you all to death, thanks for
listening.
*heather

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ok this sucks.  i was just looking at the ig site and it lists the au show as a closed show (students only).

anyone have any other info?  philip do you know anymore?

thanks
sandy

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> sarah wrote:
> >she prices shows above where many of her
> fans can afford them, blindly supports hrc. she speaks up when she is
> asked,
> which is often, but doesn't always back up her words.
>
> what you have to remember is that me is not an activist as are the girls.
> me doesn't set the prices for her shows, her management agency does this,
> (and i think they were trying to sabotage this whole new cd).  you can't
> blame melissa because she does the best she can.  she is a muscian.
>
> just my .02
> deb
>
>
>
> debbie bolgan
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> dbolgan@carlsoncanada.com
> 416-236-8453
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sandy and all,

unfortunately, i don't have any other info.
i know someone who knows someone (ya know:-) who may be able to get tickets
through a friend who is a student.

i will keep the list posted.

phillip soloweszyk
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ok this sucks.  i was just looking at the ig site and it lists the au show
as a closed show (students only).

anyone have any other info?  philip do you know anymore?

thanks
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oh? how come i kept getting letters from her for her various causes such as
hrc and no on knight? i think she most definitely is an activist. the
problem is, she doesn't research the causes she's involved in (such as hrc
and peta). i think we could say "me is not a responsible activist as are the
girls."

who hired her management? she did. who can fire them? yep and please, let's
not talk contracts because we all know contracts are only as good as the
judge who will enforce them. i think she has alot more control over prices
and marketing strategies than people realize. it's easy to say "i have to
charge $80 a ticket because that is what my management says" thereby placing
all responsibility for my career on their shoulders. she just chooses not to
exercise good judgment sometimes.

ryan

> -----original message-----

> > what you have to remember is that me is not an activist as are
> the girls.
> > me doesn't set the prices for her shows, her management agency
> does this,
> > (and i think they were trying to sabotage this whole new cd).  you can't
> > blame melissa because she does the best she can.  she is a muscian.

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hey - if you're not from the u.s. and you decide to use international postal
union coupons for bootleg postage as outlined in my previous posts, i'm just
letting you know that they're worth $.60 cents here (just found this out).
so you can weigh your return mailer, go to that link:
http://ircalc.usps.gov/ and find out how much it'll cost for me to mail it
back, and then just divide it by .60 to get the number of postal coupons
you'll need to buy.

that's all.

sorry to interrupt the very important and significant discussions going on
today with such trivial info.

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let me just say, that...
melissa etheridge's 'activism' may not be well researched by her.  and, i've
never seen her play in concert, never been able to afford it.  and --i must
say, that when i first heard of the 'scarecrow' song, i was displeased.  for
some reason, rose polenzani can write a song about brandon/teena,
"parhelion', and have it be a beautiful song.  but i never thought rose was
'capitalizing' on the upsurge of interest in brandon's life.   maybe because
the album came out so long after people started using matthew shepard's
horrible murder as a rallying call and making him into a martyr, it seems a
little contrived.  to me.
but --wasn't her song "testify" about harvey milk and gay pride????
it's a catchy song and while not overtly gay-themed, strikes a chord.
to the argument that her song-writing isn't on the same page as the indigo
girls --it's really like comparing apples to oranges.
when i started coming out to myself in the mid 90's as a young teenager, it
didn't matter that melissa etheridge was an arena rocker trying to make a few
(million) bucks.  she was out, and listening to the whole yes i am album
saved me, in many ways. (and, of course, there's always "silent legacy...even
though i heard recently it was actually about either an interracial
relationship or an unwanted pregnancy.)

mel

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hey...i'm on digest so forgive this if it's repetitive...this is from the
newport folk mailing list:

dear festival fan,

spring is here and we are close to finalizing the artist line-ups for the
2000 newport folk festival.   our press conference announcing the talent will
be held in newport on may 10th and the tickets will go on sale at 10:00 am on
may 11th.

the quickest way to get the information will be to go to our web site,
festivalproductions.net or newportfolk.com, on may 11th.  all the artists
will be listed along with ticket information and order forms.  tickets will
be available through the festival office and by mail and can also be
purchased through ticketmaster.

our rhode island office is now located at 770 aquidneck avenue in middletown.
the office will be open for limited hours in may and opens full time in june.


we will also be making an announcement very soon about our new sponsor.
sponsorship dollars allow us to continue the expansion of the event as we
move into the new century.

as mentioned earlier, we are headed for a big texas day on saturday.
it may include a couple of "lone stars" as well as "texans."  sunday will
feature many of the women who have been major part of the festival for the
last 10 years.  as always we will be presenting some new artists - many on
the harbor stage, which will now be under a tent.  we are doing our best to
schedule different styles of music at different times on the two stages so
that you as fans will be able to experience all that is happening in the folk
scene today.

we are also working with wfuv, (our new york flagship radio station), on
planning a great fun event for saturday night at the hotel viking.  space
will be limited so look for news of this on the web site on may 11th and plan
to get your tickets early.

have you reserved your lodging?  many are now staying a bit further down the
rhode island coast or off 195 east between providence and fall river.
providence is also a great place to stay.  all within an easy drive to
newport.

mark your calendar for may 11th.  see you at the festival, august 4 - 6!

:) lisa

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dear festival fan,

spring is here and we are close to finalizing the artist line-ups for
the 2000 newport folk
festival.   our press conference announcing the talent will be held in
newport on may 10th and
the tickets will go on sale at 10:00 am on may 11th.

the quickest way to get the information will be to go to our web site,
festivalproductions.net
or newportfolk.com, on may 11th.  all the artists will be listed along
with ticket information
and order forms.  tickets will be available through the festival office
and by mail and can
also be purchased through ticketmaster.

our rhode island office is now located at 770 aquidneck avenue in
middletown.
the office will be open for limited hours in may and opens full time in
june.

we will also be making an announcement very soon about our new
sponsor.   sponsorship dollars
allow us to continue the expansion of the event as we move into the new
century.

as mentioned earlier, we are headed for a big texas day on saturday.
it may include a couple of "lone stars" as well as "texans."  sunday
will feature many of the
women who have been major part of the festival for the last 10 years.
as always we will be
presenting some new artists - many on the harbor stage, which will now
be under a tent.  we are
doing our best to schedule different styles of music at different times
on the two stages so
that you as fans will be able to experience all that is happening in the
folk scene today.

we are also working with wfuv, (our new york flagship radio station), on
planning a great fun
event for saturday night at the hotel viking.  space will be limited so
look for news of this
on the web site on may 11th and plan to get your tickets early.

have you reserved your lodging?  many are now staying a bit further down
the
rhode island coast or off 195 east between providence and fall river.
providence is also a
great place to stay.  all within an easy drive to newport.

mark your calendar for may 11th.  see you at the festival, august 4 - 6!

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mel sayeth-

>she was out, and listening to the whole yes i am album
>saved me, in many ways. (and, of course, there's always "silent >legacy

i've been trying to keep my tongue bit on this one as far as posting to the
whole list, because i'm not sure how indigo-related it is to go on a
diatribe about melissa ethridge as a songwriter...but then it is, because a
lot of what irks me about her songs is what draws me to more, oh, subtle
songwriters like ig and rose p (and a whole slew of other people out there,
too)...i loved "yes i am" (which, of all things, the straight girl who was
my first girl-crush turned me onto), and listened to the whole album on
repeat for days, but have yet to find anything that she recorded earlier or
since that even comes close to affecting me emotionally.  sitting and
listening to the songs from her new album that are on the radio, i can't
help but think how generalized, even tinging on cliche, they are...i don't
know that scarecrow is anymore overwrought than "angels will fall" or "ain't
that enough" (i don't know if those are the titles)--its like they try so
hard to be emotional that they're not...and maybe that's a function of arena
rocker-age, but it loses some of the appeal, some of the urgency or
immediacy, the moment of finding some emotion or part of yourself in a song,
that draws me to music in the first place...

i think that rose p's "parhelion" (which was mentioned earlier in this
discussion) works for the same reasons that, say, "leeds" or "sister" works
(and why i would argue that "philosophy of loss" doesn't work so well)--it
fills the page, the ears with details, paints them all the heck over the
place, without demanding a certain emotional reaction.  it says 'this is
what i see', instead of 'i feel so angry' or 'this is bad/this is good'.
its the founding principle of college writing workshops everywhere:  "show,
don't tell"...

now the question comes in, what do you do when you want to tell, when you
want to just vent all your outrage in a song (or any other type of
artwork)--when does art stop being art and start being propaganda?  what
defines a diatribe?  what defines 'pointed' vs. 'powerful'?  somehow i think
there's some more ig content in here, at least in the thoughts that come up,
and i'd love to hear what y'all say for my own selfish little writer
reasons...i have this feeling it has to do with being 'inside' of the
story/narrative, even if its never happened to you (like "parhelion")
instead of writing angrily/preachily from the outside (as "scarecrow" seems
to be).

now back to typing up meeting minutes,
shel
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my impression of melissa's activism is this...she supports causes that are
aligned with her ideals, even though not all of them are perfect. like she
supported clinton as president and then in the newsweek article expressed her
dissatisfaction with him for voting in doma... she did the peta ad with julie
because julie wanted to, but then got all the heat for wearing leather - she
explained that her main stance in doing the anti-fur was just
anti-fur...she's not a big supporter of peta now because they have gotten a
bit more radical...(my sister will attest to this, she used to be a member of
peta for years but decided not renew her membership cause she felt they were
getting too extreme..)

she favors gore for the 2000 election becuase really who else is there? she
supports hrc i think because she believes in their cause (even if they are
not perfect...) she campaigned very heavily for no on knight (i know cause my
mailbox was flooded with no on knight stuff with her name all over it..) i
personlly hope that she and julie will challenge its passing in court..

as for scarecrow - go see her live before you judge this song..for this last
tour she did this song last...one by one the band members left the stage and
melissa would hug them one after another all at the same time singing "love
love oh love rising above all in the name of love" - eventually she was on
stage alone singing a cappella, finally letting the crowd sing the last few
refrains of it before she left the stage..it was very touching and very
moving...

yeah her tickets are expensive. yeah she is more corporate than the ig. but
she is more visible than they are, regardless of how that makes us feel. i
think both the girls and melissa are fighting for the same things, just in
different ways.

:p
lisa

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> my impression of melissa's activism is this...she supports causes that are
> aligned with her ideals, even though not all of them are perfect. like she
> supported clinton as president and then in the newsweek article
> expressed her
> dissatisfaction with him for voting in doma...

he couldn't vote it in. he actually signed it which showed his support of
the measure. he had two other options: refuse to sign it which meant it
would have become law anyway or veto it. the latter two options would have
at least shown he supported our community more than his "i feel your pain"
actions.

> she did the peta
> ad with julie
> because julie wanted to, but then got all the heat for wearing
> leather - she
> explained that her main stance in doing the anti-fur was just
> anti-fur...

i thought she did it for the animal testing. but then she changed her mind
when she was told by aids orgs that that testing is needed to find a cure or
at least better drugs.

> she favors gore for the 2000 election becuase really who else is
> there?

maybe there would be more viable cadidates if we didn't just go with
whatever the party bosses give us. i'm so tired of compromise politics.
personally, i haven't decided if i'm going to write in martin sheen (he's
not a real prez but he plays a great one on tv) or amy ray. there is an
interesting candidate who supports legalizing hemp and is pro-choice,
pro-gay, etc.


> she
> supports hrc i think because she believes in their cause (even if they are
> not perfect...)

"not perfect" is putting it mildly. they endorsed at least two anti-choice,
anti-woman candidates. they refuse to change their mission statement to add
transgenders yet are perfectly willing to make a buck off them. they
consistently lie about their progress with tg issues and if the march is
severely underattended (which is the expected outcome), they will have
single-handedly set the glbt rights movement back 10 years.

> as for scarecrow - go see her live before you judge this
> song...

the point was that it just had the appearance she was capitalizing off the
song. it didn't matter how powerful her performance is. like i said in my
note about the brutal murder in ny, the glbt community has a tendency to
grab onto these murders and use them past the point of effectiveness.
doesn't mean they shouldn't be brought to light, just means i am
uncomfortable with the idea of capitalizing on them.

ryan

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ryan wrote:

>i thought she did it for the animal testing. but then she changed her mind
>when she was told by aids orgs that that testing is needed to find a cure
>or at least better drugs.

i'm a volunteer at peta. melissa's work with peta was for the anti-fur
campaign. the poster was of her and julie naked with the caption, "we would
rather go naked than wear fur." the poster fiasco resulted from melissa's
lack of foresight; she obviously didn't think that supporting one campaign
for a radical animal rights group would garner such negative attention.

she seems to lack the initiative to research the organizations that she
supports. i'm sure she would have never supported peta had she taken the
time to learn that they support an end to all animal suffering and that
includes the suffering of animals enslaved in medical testing laboratories.
it's the same with hrc, had she done some research she would have found that
hrc has an upper middle class white, male, straight-acting agenda that does
harm to women and all minorities within the queer population. she needs to
realize that being a famous activist, even if her activism is casual,
carries heavy responsibilities. maybe she should just stick to music,
something she obviously has a talent for.


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on thu, 23 mar 2000, loralei riney wrote:

> i can't say that scarecrow is one of the best on the cd...i think
> perhaps...my love, my beloved, sleep stronger than me, enough of me or
> breakdown would have been a much better choice. i think due to the
> subject matter and timing is why scarecrow as chosen....just my little
> thought...sparkie

   i think scarecrow is one of the best songs on the cd, although i love
most of the album.  those burning, fuzzed-out guitar hits that come in
when she sings, "but they tortured you and burned you..."  it's definitely
one of the most emotional moments on the album.
   great pop songcraft it ain't, but it's a helluva song.

   darius

"there is no 'sauce' in mcdonald's.  you go in there and you go to the
back of the counter in the kitchen and if you see how they do those
things, i don't think you want to eat there after you see that."
   - carlos santana (on the spiritualism of music)

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first off:  camp sister spirit.  i looked it up after reading the me post,
and they are incredibly cool!  little sheltered northern white girl is seeing
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that this country can still use plenty of work.  they are a feminist/lesbian
activist safe-space camp in mississippi... anyways, if anyone is interested
in an article about them, i've got a wonderful one to share.  i'll email or
find it at : http://www.echonyc.com/~onissues/sister.htm

next, a couple questions that have been irking me lately.

1. what is a baigl??  i've tried and tried to figure this one out on my own,
but no avail... assuming it's not the baked treat, bay area indigo gays and
lesbians??    (alternately, "baby, amy idolatry is good and legitimate", but
that's wishful thinking.)

2.  what's standard postage for one 6x9 mailer with one cdr and no jewel
case?  someone must know.

3.  <insert provocative igc question here>

regisly yours,
lisa

ps if anyone has any idea what "regisly yours" means, please let me know.

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i keep getting home too late to call eku and check on tickets for the 3/31
(next weekend!) show. work has been crazy and it seems like i don't get a
spare minute to call until i'm home...after 6 p.m. when they are an hour
ahead of us. does anyone know if there are still ticks available?
michelle

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hey...

so i (still) have two tickets for tracy chapman at the 9:30 club in dc for
next saturday (april 1st) at 9:00. anyone want 'em?
$81 is what ticketbastard charged me. let me know :o)

and i need an mp3 of the complete "finlandia" (preferably with the end of
the song before so i can get the crossover right) from the red rocks 94
radio broadcast, asap, if anyone can help (need to finish off the show and
clear space from my hard drive to finish up the next big boot offer, which
will include indicated iv which is almost complete, although not quite)

if you can do this please let me know. if you just want to email it, send it
to neily@voicenet.com and not this address...

cheers and all

neil
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on fri, 24 mar 2000, sarah pinsker wrote:

> i feel that this song is in poor taste because of the crucifixion imagery.
> his mother and friends asked that people refrain from referring to matthew
> as a gay martyr, and refrain from crucifixion imagery.

   fact is: the song was written as it was written.  i'm sure that saul
zaentz didn't like the john fogerty song "zanz kant danz (but he'll steal
your money)" [historical note: he didn't like it enough to sue for libel
- the song is now "vanz kant danz."]
   i *don't* hold matthew as a martyr.  but the song is good.

> i feel that she is  a  capitalizing, elitist sell-out. she writes good
> songs, she is good for gay visibility in a mostly straight music world,
> but she is  *not* one of my heroes.

   axl rose is about the ugliest person i've ever heard of in the music
world.  yet "november rain" is a stunning composition.  bb king has more
illegitimate children than i have cousins, yet i'll worship at the altar
of lucille.  stevie ray (drunk), sinatra (mobster), stipe (addict), the
list goes on.
   musicians (exceptions for springsteen and hendrix.  both are
aliens) are people.  they do people things.  sure, it's great to have
folks like ig who are stunning examples of "great deed-doers" (wizard of
oz) as well as excellent musicians.  but that's the exception.  one
doesn't require the other - some people have gifts for public
service.  others can play guitars just like ringin' a bell.  why
discriminate?

> she prices shows above where many of her fans can afford them, blindly
> supports hrc.

   are her shows selling out?
   maybe she's not a huge tg rights fan (probably not, if she supports
hrc...) -- that's her prerogative.  who's to say if she's doing it
"blindly" or not?
   are we going to judge the motives of public figures just because they'e
public figures?  or do you have information to back this up?

> an example: camp sister spirit in mississippi.  a few years ago, this
> women's safe space-camp was under fire, literally, by its neighbors. a
> lot of public figures and musicians, including melissa spoke up and said
> that what these women were doing down in mississippi was wonderful and
> brave, but right before their big women's festival, every one of them
> cancelled when shots were fired into the camp.

   the tongue in cheek response: they said the camp women were brave, not
themselves.  ;)  honestly though, you're talking about *gunshots*.  kudos
for sonia.  but can you really point angry fingers at me?

> their lyrics are ten times more profound than melissa's have ever
> been.

   *that's* a quantifiable statement.

> give me indigo girls or disappear fear over melissa any day.

   give me a world where people's music tastes don't have to jive with
their personal beliefs, where sinners can come clean in the river of rock
'n' roll.  my musical world is big enough for all comers; as long as they
can blow my mind, make me cry, laugh, or play incorrigable air guitar.

> they are groups i can believe in.

   i can drink to that.

   darius

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date:         fri, 24 mar 2000 19:24:08 -0800
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on fri, 24 mar 2000 tryng2bme@aol.com wrote:

> next, a couple questions that have been irking me lately.
>
> 1. what is a baigl??  i've tried and tried to figure this one out on my own,
> but no avail... assuming it's not the baked treat, bay area indigo gays and
> lesbians??    (alternately, "baby, amy idolatry is good and legitimate", but
> that's wishful thinking.)

baigl is the boston area indigo girls list.  we're a group of fans located
mostly in the northeast us area who talk about ig concerts, other
musicians of interest, and stuff like that.  if anyone is interested in
joining the list (it's pretty low traffic), let me know..i run the list.
and it was none other than susan b. marine who coined our very useful
acronym :)


                          _________
amy p.                    \       /     who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin
                http://www.crl.com/~pegasus

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about a year or so ago, i saw a special on discover (or was it hbo? tlc?) on
gender dysphoria. i need to find the video for some research. does anyone
remember the name or what channel it was on or by some miracle, have a copy
of it? any help is greatly appreciated. does anyone else know of any
documentaries about the transgender?

ryan

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about these shows that are "closed"...why do they do this?...just wondering.
also for these shows do they check for id's when you buy tickets?..or when
you show them your ticket the day of the show?...i mean if people who went to
school there bought the tickets and gave them to a non student...could that
person still get in?


carla :o)

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hi,

i know that i am new to the list and everything, but i gotta say;

i thought this was an indigo girl email list.

i always see stuff on ani, or rose (of whom i know nothing from) and i think
"whatever, little snipits of info everyonce in a while, ok."

but this whole melissia thing is going on for too long already.

i love melissia, if elvis was the king of rock, melissia is the queen. (of
course you can argue janis!) but enough!

this is where i tell every one that i met mellissa at jones beach in ny.

oh and what does nigc mean?

thanks for letting the indigo girl mailing list be a maing list for indigo
girl means.


joe

brooklyn, ny

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on fri, 24 mar 2000, heather pownall wrote:

> i was tenth in line...i didn't get bad seats, but i could have had a lot
> better...so i am kind of moping.  sorry to bore you all to death, thanks for
> listening.

and the homeless men? how good were their ig tickets?

i mean, really! they didn't drag you away from waiting kicking and
screaming!

i guess at least they'll probably never know how you really felt about
spending time with them.
take care,
amanda.

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in a message dated 3/24/00 1:47:19 pm pacific standard time,
lisa071573@aol.com writes:

<< yeah her tickets are expensive. yeah she is more corporate than the ig. but
she is more visible than they are, regardless of how that makes us feel. i
think both the girls and melissa are fighting for the same things, just in
different ways. >>

definitely! i think melissa is a big asset to the gay community because she
has main stream appeal. maybe her songs aren't as passionate or introspective
but, they get played and people magazine and rolling stones write articles
about her. kids hear her and read about her and get a different prospective
from what their church or their parents tell them about gays and lesbians.
maybe she doesn't have a keen understanding of radical activism but, she does
a hell of a job educating the mainstream.

katy

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somebody who can flatten me with a kiss that hits like a fist, or a sentence
that stops me like a brick wall." -=-ani difranco-=-

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on fri, 24 mar 2000, ryan blackhawke wrote:

> oh? how come i kept getting letters from her for her various causes such as
> hrc and no on knight? i think she most definitely is an activist. the
> problem is, she doesn't research the causes she's involved in (such as hrc
> and peta). i think we could say "me is not a responsible activist as are the
> girls."

   what makes you believe that she doesn't do that research?
   i know i'm playing devil's advocate here, but it seems like many folks
on the list take shots at melissa faster than an nypd officer can empty a
clip into a man reaching for his wallet.
   is there something that i don't know, or are you just making
assumptions that just because she supports hrc, she must be
uninformed?  it's just as wrong to assume that because somebody supports a
cause that you don't like, they must be ignorant as it is for somebody to
assume that because you're gay, you're [a heathen/immoral/biologically
challenged/etc].
   i'm not informed enough to condemn hrc - if what folks say here is
true, then i'm not in their camp.  but at the same time, i don't harbor
any resentment for those who are - they could do a lot worse.  or have we
forgotten about the gay community's staunchest supporter, rev. fred
phelps?

> i think she has alot more control over prices and marketing strategies
> than people realize. it's easy to say "i have to charge $80 a ticket
> because that is what my management says" thereby placing all
> responsibility for my career on their shoulders.

   that's her prerogative as an artist.  maybe amy and emily can
micromanage every facet of their careers.  that's a good thing.  say
melissa doesn't want to -- she's a parent of two, as well as an artist who
tours and records.
   if you don't like it, well, that's what god gave you a wallet for.

   darius

"there is no 'sauce' in mcdonald's.  you go in there and you go to the
back of the counter in the kitchen and if you see how they do those
things, i don't think you want to eat there after you see that."
   - carlos santana (on the spiritualism of music)

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hey y'all,

don't know if this was mentioned before or not but, there is an article =
with the girls in this months' girlfriends magazine.  part of  it is up =
on the website http://www.gfriends.com/archive/gf0300/indigo.txt

peace,
karen
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    well, according to the mailing list faq (frequently asked questions),
which everyone is strongly encouraged to read upon joining the list, "the
indigo girls mailing list is a fan forum devoted to discussion of the music
of the indigo girls and related artists."  all of the artists you mentioned
are related - ani difranco and amy are good friends (amy wrote hey kind
friend for her); rose polenzani is signed to amy's independent label, daemon
records; and because the girls are public and supportive of gay rights as is
melissa (as well as sharing a sexuality and many listee fans) melissa is a
related artist as well.  although, as a nigc topic the discussion on melissa
will soon be stopped because there is about a two-day limit on such topics -
moderator jen lucero will come to your rescue.
    nigc according again to the faq means no indigo girls content.
variations include sigc (some), vligc (very little), etc.  you can access the
faq if you'd like to read it now - there are also many interesting pieces of
information about indigo girls.  the website is
http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig/  happy reading!

lisa

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just wondering if anyone had any ticket information on ig @ ravinia 6/20/00.
please email me privately if you could help me out


thanks


brian

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ok. thanks to darius and katy for backing me up a bit..

yeah it's an indigo girls, yeah it's not my damn list...but shit (oh uh, i
mean phooey) can't we at least have a little discussion about other artists?
or artists related to the girls? without everyone getting their panties in a
knot? grr...

nevermind.

go see allette brooks if she's near you..very folky and ani-esque guitar
playing. and funny.

:p
so there.
lisa (who still likes melissa etheridge so you can all just go to....)

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i'm sitting here listening to "cold beer and remote control" and i was
thinking.(uhoh.)  what is more important to a song, the lyrics or the music.
or are they equally important?  or can they both be junk if they sound good
together?
any swag's?
just another random stupid thought.
denise
"if i don't see ya good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good
night"
"every devil i meet is an angel in disguise"--j&e--ar
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sorry emily lovin' folks, this one's just got amy in it. and melissa ferrick
too, but i'm sure you won't mind. go to this link and (here's the tricky part)
click on where it says "with amy ray."

http://www.war.com/ferrick/mf_photos.html

enjoy!
-sam (<-she's cute and she can knit)

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hi,

i am looking for the beacon theatre, nyc 10/11/99 and reunion hall, phoenix,
az 11/1/99 indigo performances on video.  i have plenty of ig video to trade.
please email me privately

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hey,

does anyone know of any of the opening acts for the upcoming tour?  i am curious as to who is going to open the eku show <let it be rose or michelle!>  :-)

thanks!

:-) karen

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date:         sun, 26 mar 2000 16:45:41 est
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hello.
i was listening to my local radio (cd101) during their acoustic hour, and
they were interviewing melissa ferrick. i was excited because i've heard so
many good things about her on the list, but i haven't had the chance to hear
any of her music! anyway, she played a few songs (they were really
great....guess who's buying a cd!), and she had a longish interview. to get
to the igc, because i know you're all waiting, she mentioned amy and emily
and how she met them many years ago (1990? when she was opening for
morissey?) but how she felt as though she'd made a big fool of herself. so,
then when she was playing (either at lilith or newport, sorry, can't
remember which!), amy came up before her performance and said it was good to
see her again. melissa said it was great to have those words of confidence
before her set, and was thrilled to look out at the audience to see amy
talking with her (melissa's) dad. then afterwards melissa said she got to
speak with amy again and felt much better with this meeting than her first
back in 1990. melissa was explaining how supportive and beneficial it is to
thank and speak with your opening acts or fellow performers before and after
their set. it made her feel really good to know amy had stayed and listened.
:) just thought y'all might want to know. i know there are plenty of melissa
fans out there (and amy fans as well, of course!). :) have a good week,
everyone!
peace,
becky
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mrs. fun., according to the daemon site, is opening at the eku show.

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"if these walls could talk" 2
if anyone still needs a copy of this hbo special, email me.

-mel

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sorry for the total nigc, but i am so so so so so happy that hillary swank just won the oscar for "boys don't cry!"  she totally deserved it!

:-) karen

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hey! hilary swank just won an oscar :) and angelina jolie :)

heh.
lisa

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thanks for spoiling the awards for me.  we were just about to sit down to
watch it, not much point now. i guess the world really does revolve around
the united states.

sandy

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on mon, 27 mar 2000, sandy i-o's wrote:

> thanks for spoiling the awards for me.  we were just about to sit down to
> watch it, not much point now. i guess the world really does revolve around
> the united states.

didn't the subject line give you a clue that the post might possibly
contain information about the awards?

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no, considering it had nothing about the awards in it at all.  since when
does nigc or boys dont cry, suggest the academy awards?  there have been a
lot of posts containing nicg and a lot talking about boys dont cry, for all
i knew it could have been something that was discussing the film.

sandy

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> on mon, 27 mar 2000, sandy i-o's wrote:
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>> thanks for spoiling the awards for me.  we were just about to sit down to
>> watch it, not much point now. i guess the world really does revolve around
>> the united states.
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> didn't the subject line give you a clue that the post might possibly
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ut-oh... me-thinks private posts would've been the route with which to
deal with this lil' "oscars" gaffer...

and speaking of boys don't cry, i just want to take this opportunity to
tell all of you wonderful listees out there who took the time to write
some very thoughtful + helpful posts about the movie (i was worried
about the rape scene triggering my gf who is a survivor of childhood
rape/molestation) thankyou!!! your advice helped us to make the decision
to wait for the video... something we can control if need be...
i wanted to respond personally to each + every private post... i got
almost fifty of them... but right after posting, i broke my right hand
(a spiral fracture) at work + typing has been painful if not impossible
for quite some time... anyhoo... thankyou again; your kindness did not
go unappreciated...
kim: goddess in her own reality. <choke>lol

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since there's been so much talk about melissa ferrick
lately [ok, like 2 messages]  i thought i'd mention
that she'll be playing
@eddie's attic in atlanta on april 18th.
aa show @ 7:00 and 21 & over @ 9:30

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i was thrilled to see swank get the oscar. no one deserved it more and no
one worked as hard as she did. did you know she was paid scale? that's
$75/day. well, she can kiss those days goodbye. her rates just went way up.

angelina gets an oscar for playing a bitch? where was the challenge? i mean,
it's not like she had to do much preparation. any of the other actresses
would have been more deserving. alot of the critics expected her to win
because she's a "hollywood brat" (like gwyneth paltrow who robbed cate
blanchett of an oscar last year). for those of you who don't know, jolie's
dad is jon voight.

and i was thrilled to see the matrix sweep all its categories. they panned
to keanu after the 3rd oscar and he looked totally confused, like, "wow, how
the hell did i end up in a movie that ends up getting all these awards?"

standard disclaimer: these are my opinions only.

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> hey! hilary swank just won an oscar :) and angelina jolie :)
>
> heh.

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hey y'all,

at 04:12 27/03/00 -0500, ryan wrote:
>i was thrilled to see swank get the oscar. no one deserved it more and no
>one worked as hard as she did. did you know she was paid scale? that's
>$75/day. well, she can kiss those days goodbye. her rates just went way up.

yeah - i thought she gave a nice speech, thanking everybody and the
academy. it's nice to think that with a lot of the big budget mainstream
films that get nominated at the oscars, a small budget movie that would
have probably not got made a couple of years ago (and definitely wouldn't
have been acknowledged by the academy) can help hillary win such a big award.

>and i was thrilled to see the matrix sweep all its categories. they panned
>to keanu after the 3rd oscar and he looked totally confused, like, "wow, how
>the hell did i end up in a movie that ends up getting all these awards?"

it was funny : i really expeced star wars to win a lot of the fx awards,
and it was a pleasant surprise to see the matrix win. i guess lucas must be
steaming this morning : while he was away from star wars, the rest of the
film world caught up....

and it was nice to see aimee mann (magnolia is great, btw) and sarah up for
best song. i know neither of them won  (it was a phil collins with a disney
song : of course he was gonna win), but it's good to think that best song
is moving out of the diva and big ballad stage now....

oh yeah : days off are great :)

john.

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"angelina gets an oscar for playing a bitch? where was the challenge? i
mean,
it's not like she had to do much preparation. any of the other actresses
would have been more deserving. alot of the critics expected her to win
because she's a "hollywood brat" (like gwyneth paltrow who robbed cate
blanchett of an oscar last year). for those of you who don't know, jolie's
dad is jon voight
standard disclaimer: these are my opinions only"

i agree, ryan!  i loved angelina in "gia", but for "girl, interrupted"?  i
think not!  and what's with this bizarre habit she has about being all over
her brother at every awards ceremony?  she does it every time.  hey, look, i
love my brother, too, but i wouldn't be hanging all over him in public (or
in private, for that matter).  she can get a bit weird. i know i'm gonna get
a lot of flack for that statement, but like ryan said, "these  are my
opinions only." angelina is beautiful and talented, but give credit where
credit is due.  i do feel that either toni collete (who rocked in "muriel's
wedding", by the way) in the "sixth sense" should of won, or chloe for "boys
don't cry".  i feel like angelina's character is the same in every movie.
oh, well.  hope you guys enjoyed the show!!

i did feel kinda sorry for chad lowe, hilary's husband, when she forgot to
thank him.  she did remember as she was walking off stage, and after the
awards said a hearty thank you to him.  he was crying hysterical when she
won!  really sweet. she was probably so nervous, anyway!  any person would
understand, i'm sure.

annamarie

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on mon, 27 mar 2000, john bond wrote:

> and it was nice to see aimee mann (magnolia is great, btw) and sarah up for
> best song. i know neither of them won  (it was a phil collins with a disney
> song : of course he was gonna win), but it's good to think that best song
> is moving out of the diva and big ballad stage now....

i guess the thing is, if there aren't any they can't be nominated.  or is
my memory too short?

i would've loved to see blame canada win it! it's so clever and
unhollywood.
cheers,
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i was just wondering - there have been a couple people that have said that
all of her roles have been bitchy, and alluded to some "fact" that it
doesn't take much imagination or talent on her end...which movies have you
seen?  because i love ms. jolie - and i can think of several roles that
aren't bitchy.

curiously,
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mrs. fun., according to the daemon site, is opening at the eku show.

----just wondering, have any of you heard mrs. fun before?  what was your
impression of them?  i heard them in december, and honestly i was not that
impressed.

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this is the very short version of this press release.
ngltf to host honoring our allies 2000;
kate clinton, indigo girls among this year's awardees

march 23, 2000 - the national gay and lesbian task force will host its
11th annual honoring our allies celebration at noon saturday, april 29 at
the national museum of women in the arts, 1250 new york avenue nw, in
washington, d.c. this year's honorees include ...the indigo girls, who have
committed their voices, time and money to the human rights issues that drive
them...

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i'm a big melissa ferrick fan too....if anyone is interested in seeing her
play you can check out her web site at  www.war.com  for tour dates.
-jen

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hi all,

just checking out the daemon site and noticed that there are some new notes
from amy...

hey-

i hear a rumor that the biggest radio station company just bought the
biggest concert promotion company....keep in mind that the promotion company
just recently finished buying up as many indie concert promoters as it
could. what does it all mean? we thought radio had gone as far as it could -
down the drain that is. but now that they actually control the concert
circuit, i'm sure we'll be newly impressed with their ever growing ability
to turn a good thing bad . thank god for indie everything. i say let all the
big wigs buy each other into oblivion. we'll just have a little more room
down here to play around. this is it! now is the time to really support the
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underground.

i had a little surgery last month. i had my appendix out and a ruptured cyst
removed from my ovary (my ovary is okay). also my grandma ozilline
died...she was a real rabble rouser. so i've been on the mend, but still
plotting with the daemon folks.

april looks real cool because the indigo girls are having the daemon bands
as openers all month. plus the butchies (mr.lady records) will be joining us
for a few florida shows.

in may, daemon will having a massive ten year anniversary celebration with 6
shows across the southeast. i will be hosting the tour and playing a few
songs at each stop. bands from the past and the present will be playing. the
butchies and tami hart from mr. lady records will be our guest of honor. in
asheville and chapel hill. we are trying to organize special shows at every
stop. keep an eye out for the final schedule.

i am slowly making progress on my own record-i have almost completed three
songs. they are all electric so far-sort of melodic punk i guess. i am
hoping to be in the mix stage by september...but who knows.

okay..one more thing...if you come across record stores or any sales outlets
that should be carrying our stuff (meaning it could potentially sell there
and not be returned to us) please email the stores to us. also, if anyone
knows of zines that want to review our records send us
the information .

thanks for the support. over and out. amy ray

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oh and just in case anyone's interested, you can now pre-order the daemon
10th anniversary documentary for $12.  it's due to be released april 1st.

yay for hillary swank.  can't wait to see the movie.  it'll be released in
the uk mid/late next month!

claudine

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speaking of things that shoulda won


south  parks blame canada which got the biggest applause even before the
song was performed

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yeah, but there was no way in hell they would let it win. i thought robin
did a wonderful job with the song. you know the censors breathed a sigh of
relief.

breanna told me i needed to look at the context (they bleeped "hell" as in
"hell no!" but let through "bitch" as in "that bitch ann murray too". now
would anyone care to guess why they would let thru a term that is normally
thought of as being derogatory towards women but they bleep an innocuous
"hell" that doesn't hurt anyone?

i just found that interesting.

i also thought they coulda scored major points by bringing the man who found
their oscars onstage and publicly thanking him.

ryan

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> speaking of things that shoulda won
>
>
> south  parks blame canada which got the biggest applause even before the
> song was performed

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like i said, my opinion only but general concensus among critics (whom i
know we all listen to before going to see movies ;->) was she has never had
a role that was much of a challenge, especially this last one. and that
she'd win because hollywood is in love with its own and she's 2nd-gen.

i just don't like her. i would not go see a movie just to see her. she is
not a draw for me. now sarandon or weaver on the other hand...

ryan

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> i was just wondering - there have been a couple people that have said that
> all of her roles have been bitchy, and alluded to some "fact" that it
> doesn't take much imagination or talent on her end...which movies have you
> seen?  because i love ms. jolie - and i can think of several roles that
> aren't bitchy.
>
> curiously,
> audra

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on mon, 27 mar 2000, john bond wrote:

> it was funny : i really expeced star wars to win a lot of the fx awards,
> and it was a pleasant surprise to see the matrix win. i guess lucas must be
> steaming this morning : while he was away from star wars, the rest of the
> film world caught up....

   (i'm such a film geek.)
   my apartment, sw apologists all, were fuming, while i was grinding salt
in the wound.  ("did you hear that?  he said, '..in service to the
story.'")  when the film came out, lucas called it "critic-proof."  i
guess his peers agree.

> and it was nice to see aimee mann (magnolia is great, btw) and sarah up for
> best song. i know neither of them won  (it was a phil collins with a disney
> song : of course he was gonna win), but it's good to think that best song
> is moving out of the diva and big ballad stage now....

   that's what i said when springsteen's "streets of philadelphia" won in
'94.  then celine dion happened...

   darius

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hi yall -

ok - as i was watching the awards last night - (i
didnt make it the whole way...i fell asleep wah!) -
anyhoo - i was thinking - what if ig were there
performing...what do you think they would wear??
i mean it's such a 'foofoo' event...ya know - dresses,
suits...blah blah...what do you think they'd wear?
sarah m. was wearing a big ol' dress too...

i havent decided what i think they would wear - but
they'd pull off something classy...ya know?

what do you think - just for fun?

take it easy -
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i am not sure what they would wear...but yes, it would be classy no doubt. i would like to make a small comment on the comment billy made about dr. laura....i laughed outloud and i was by myself.....i couldn't help it....."dr. laura wont be here tonight cause she couldn't find anyone to do her hair and nails...."
yes it is a bit of stereotyping and such...but ......it made me laugh.....

sparkie

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i was quite happy to see angelia get the award--if anyone's seen the movie,
she doesn't quite play a bitch, but a mentally disturbed girl.

i had high expectations for "girl, interrupted" and they were met.

:-)  hope everyone's having a good monday....

claudia

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does anyone know what time the box office opens on the day of the show?
we have just decided to go.

kim & rhea

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but the question drowns in its futility, and even i have got to laugh at
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does anyone out there know how to set up ftp sites with my mp3's?  any kind
of info would be helpful.  please e-mail me privately.  thanks!

take care-

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<< i guess the world really does revolve around
the united states. >>

um..well it is an american awards show..not cannes...

:p
lisa

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mrs. fun opened for ig when i saw them in december in st. louis. they were
not my cup of tea either. a wurlitzer organ and a drums...that's what i
recall from their set...along with an insane version of jingle bells for
the holiday season, which was kind of cool. we had this discussion when ig
toured with their band about who was opening for them and mrs. fun came up
then...some people warned me and others said we'd love it. just a matter of
opinion, i suppose. i have heard that ig, amy at least, has joined them for
a song or two sometimes when they open for them. that could be interesting,
as i would like to see their different styles working together.
just my opinion, of course.
michelle

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> mrs. fun., according to the daemon site, is opening at the eku show.
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> ----just wondering, have any of you heard mrs. fun before?  what was your
> impression of them?  i heard them in december, and honestly i was not
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> impressed.
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i was thrilled for hillary swank, thought she gave a charming speech and
was touched to see her husband in the audience.
        my husband and i watched the oscars together and were curious to see how
blame canada would be presented. i love robin williams and thought he did a
fabulous job. the song is very funny and i enjoyed it. i was impressed that
the oscar audience, that can sometimes be a little stuffy, was so
enthusiastic about a song from the south park movie. but i was rooting for
the song from toy story ii, which i think is just beautiful and sarah gave
a stunning, albiet short performance of it.
        what i did not expect was that, in my opinion, the weakest song of the
bunch would win. i know phil collins did the music for the whole movie, but
please.

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> speaking of things that shoulda won
>
>
> south  parks blame canada which got the biggest applause even before the
> song was performed
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or ummm, weird quote.

"i am just so in love with my brother."  -jolie, at once creeping out and
titillating a billion people


ewwwwwwww

ryan

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at 06:12 pm 3/27/2000 -0500, you wrote:

>         what i did not expect was that, in my opinion, the weakest song
> of the
>bunch would win. i know phil collins did the music for the whole movie, but
>please.

it's the disney touch.... since 1989, only one studio has won best original
song more than once... and it's won 8 times... that studio would be (big
gasp of surprise) buena vista aka disney.... i know there have been better
songs out there plenty of times, this year being no exception... but the
academy almost always gives best song to a disney flick...

disney has only not won the best original song oscar since 89 twice: in 97
when a song from hercules lost to titanic and 93 when no disney films were
nominated.

in case anyone wants to do some research of their own into oscar trends &
history, i got this info from www.littlegoldenguy.com

shannon

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i don't know if i was the first, but i was one
of the first people on this board to post a recommendation to see "boys don't cry."  i couldn't be happier about hilary's oscar, golden globe and independent spirit award wins for her brave work in
that film.

my hope is that more films with similar subject matter
will get more respect and wider distribution!!!

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on mon, 27 mar 2000, ryan blackhawke wrote:

> i was thrilled to see swank get the oscar. no one deserved it more and no
> one worked as hard as she did. did you know she was paid scale? that's
> $75/day. well, she can kiss those days goodbye. her rates just went way up.

   i was rooting -- the american beauty (loved it, but not for best
actress) pundits were out in full force in our apartment.  shame that john
malkovich and the insider were shut out, but '99 was a *great* movie year
all around.
   "boys..." is probably the hardest movie i can remember seeing, besides
perhaps "schindler's list"; my parents should not have let me see that at
the age of fourteen.
   shame that "blame canada" didn't win, too, especially after
robin's performance.  "...in my heart" was such a cop-out.  if anything
from tarzan had to be nominated, "son of man" stood out far above the rest
of the soundtrack.

> and i was thrilled to see the matrix sweep all its categories. they panned
> to keanu after the 3rd oscar and he looked totally confused, like, "wow, how
> the hell did i end up in a movie that ends up getting all these awards?"

   i can't dislike keneau -- bill n ted's xcellent adventure played such a
pivotal role in my developmental years that it wouldn't be fair...  ;)

   darius

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back of the counter in the kitchen and if you see how they do those
things, i don't think you want to eat there after you see that."
   - carlos santana (on the spiritualism of music)

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did anyone see this?   looks like another contest the girls are doing but i
wonder what its about?  go here to check it out.

http://www.indigogirls.com/index2.html    or here

http://www.indigogirls.com/street_team.html


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>from:    ryan blackhawke <hawke2@email.msn.com>
>
>angelina gets an oscar for playing a bitch? where was the challenge? i mean,
>it's not like she had to do much preparation.

that's kind of an obnoxious observation to make without at least some
supporting information... not that i really care to know if she's a
bitch.  i'd just as soon evaluate performances without respect to
personalities.

>  any of the other actresses
>would have been more deserving. alot of the critics expected her to win
>because she's a "hollywood brat" (like gwyneth paltrow who robbed cate
>blanchett of an oscar last year). for those of you who don't know, jolie's
>dad is jon voight.

come closer, so i can knock that chip off of your shoulder. ;-)  i haven't
seen "girl, interrupted" yet, but she was great in "gia," no matter who her
father is.

---<>---

>from:    john bond <john.bond@lineone.net>
>
>and it was nice to see aimee mann (magnolia is great, btw)

aimee is a bit reserved on stage in front of her fans, i was thrilled to
see her do well in such an extremely stressful situation!  what a joy to
see finally getting the recognition she deserves!  (for the curious, she's
currently sharing my artist spotlight
<http://www.mindspring.com/~indigo/music.html> with husband michael penn.)

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>from:    ryan blackhawke <hawke2@email.msn.com>
>
>breanna told me i needed to look at the context (they bleeped "hell" as in
>"hell no!" but let through "bitch" as in "that bitch ann murray too". now
>would anyone care to guess why they would let thru a term that is normally
>thought of as being derogatory towards women but they bleep an innocuous
>"hell" that doesn't hurt anyone?

because "bitch" can also be a female dog.  for the same reason, "ass"
passes muster, as long as it is not followed by "hole." :-)

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just fyi


swank leaps from virtual obscurity to oscar star


los angeles, march 26 (reuters) - hilary swank, who won the academy award for
best actress on sunday, chose a distinctly unglamorous route to leap from
virtual obscurity a year ago to hollywood's most talked-about young actress.

she cut off her waist-length blond hair, put a sock down her pants and lived
as a boy for four weeks to prepare for her role as a young woman who yearns
to be a man in a low-budget movie by a first time female director.

''boys don't cry'' swept the 25-year-old actress from pretty, ''girl next
door'' roles to the most coveted red carpets in hollywood, despite the fact
that its true-life transgender tale of love, rape and murder proved a hard
sell at the box office.

in accepting her award, swank thanked brandon teena -- the young woman who
lived as a man and was murdered in 1993 and whose story the film was based
upon -- ''for reminding us to follow our hearts and not to conform.''

''when i took this movie on i didn't think of anything like this (an oscar)
at all,'' swank said backstage at the shrine auditorium. ''you get the best
of both worlds when you're involved in a movie like this: you get to grow as
a human being and talk about the experience and how it has changed you.''

little in swank's acting past -- she started professionally at age 16 and
landed roles in ''the next karate kid'' and the tv series ''beverly hills
90210'' -- paved the way for the powerful performance that won her an oscar,
a golden globe, and awards from the new york and los angeles critics circles.

''it's like catch-22. in order to do a great movie, you already have to have
been in a great movie. i am really lucky to have been afforded this
opportunity because they didn't want someone famous to be playing a boy. i've
always wanted to play roles like this,'' swank said in a recent interview.

swank, who as a teenager excelled at swimming and gymnastics, is neither gay
nor transgendered and has been married to her actor husband chad lowe for two
years.

she has been swamped with offers following her performance as brandon teena,
a role she said had inspired her to ''be myself, to not conform to what
society wants me to be.''

''following up this movie is not an easy thing. finding something that moves
me and draws me and inspires me like this is really hard,'' she said.

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ryan has been taking shots at angelina jolie all day long...  guess it's his
right to like and dislike whomever he chooses...  though i'm not sure what
her being jon voight's daughter, or being overly sentimental towards her
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in a message dated 3/27/00 6:34:17 pm central standard time,
indigo@mindspring.com writes:

> ---<>---
>  >from:    ryan blackhawke <hawke2@email.msn.com>
>  >
>  >breanna told me i needed to look at the context (they bleeped "hell" as in
>  >"hell no!" but let through "bitch" as in "that bitch ann murray too". now
>  >would anyone care to guess why they would let thru a term that is normally
>  >thought of as being derogatory towards women but they bleep an innocuous
>  >"hell" that doesn't hurt anyone?


but it's ok to refer to a woman 'playing' a bitch in a movie role...eh?

-mel

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bravo, deb!  thank you for that response.  i've met ig a bunch of times.
sometimes they're nice and sometimes they're in really bad moods and they
act like outright jerks to anyone in their path.  so does that mean amy
and emily are bitches?

how do you (ryan) know anjelina didn't need any preparation?  anytime i've
ever seen her interviewed in the media, she comes off as someone who is
confident and someone who doesn't take shit from anyone.  and so she is
close to her brother.  how can you judge the relationship she has with her
brother? there are so many people out there who say, ewwwwwwwwww, when
they see 2 women or 2 men or 2 trans-sexuals walking down the street
holding hands or kissing.  how does that feel?  you don't know the nature
of the relationship she has with her brother and frankly, it's really none
of our business.

regardless of anjelina's characters both real life and fictional, perhaps
seeming like a bitch, you are also failing to realize that she was acting
as a sociopath.  there's an edge to that kind of role that lots of actors
can't accomplish, which is likely to be the reason that she was recognized
for it.  i'm glad she won.  she deserved it.

carolyn

on mon, 27 mar 2000, deb wrote:

> >from:    ryan blackhawke <hawke2@email.msn.com>
> >

> >angelina gets an oscar for playing a bitch? where was the challenge?
> i mean, >it's not like she had to do much preparation.
>


> that's kind of an obnoxious observation to make without at least some
> supporting information... not that i really care to know if she's a
> bitch.  i'd just as soon evaluate performances without respect to
> personalities.

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i respect the fact that people don't like angelina, because frankly i
don't expect everyone to like everything i do.  i just wanted to ask
because i think she is fabulous (my recent fave is playing by heart, which
she starred in with gillian anderson, ellyn burstyn, sean connery, anthiny
edwards, jay mohr, ryan phillippe, dennis quaid, gena rowlands, jon
stewart, and madeleine stowe -- and yes it is alphabetical because i
looked on imdb so i wouldn't miss anyone *heh*) and i just wonder how
anyone can -not- like her.  oh well - curiousity did kill the cat and i am
a leo...maybe i should learn not to ask :p

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sorry for the waste of bandwidth. looking for amy viar
from emory's movie night lilies, i accidentally
deleted your email. please email me asap, i think i
may have some info for you.

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happy birthday to the following listees!

march 29
terri (kidfrrs123@aol.com)

march 31
lindystar2@aol.com (casey foulks)


and of course *grins* happy birthday to: my yoey, for being all you have
been and all that you continue to be to me...i love you!  i hope this day
was as wonderful as it should have been!  :)

bye!!!!!!

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"ryan has been taking shots at angelina jolie all day long...  guess it's
his right to like and dislike whomever he chooses...  though i'm not sure
what her being jon voight's daughter, or being overly sentimental towards
her brother has to do with anything...  they don't give an award like that
because of who your father is..."

i don't know if you have seen her at every awards show.  i am a huge
angelina jolie fan.  i saw "gia" before it was even released to hbo, and
loved it!  she was incredible in it.  but this thing with her
brother.......get a grip!  she practically has sex with him in public!  at
every awards show!!  i've seen her at least at 4 or 5 awards shows and she
is on top of him.  it's a little ridiculous.  it makes her look like she's
so insecure to be by herself or something.  i don't like to see that
anywhere, not with a boyfriend/girlfriend, girlfriend/girlfriend, or
boyfriend/boyfriend.  it's freakish.  have some self esteem!  she's
beautiful, talented, and intelligent!  get a backbone.  i know it might seem
like i'm dissing her, i love her acting, most of the time, but that hanging
all over somebody, it grates at my nerves.  by it's just my opinion and
she's entitled to act however she chooses.  she just didn't look graceful to
me.  oh, well.  hope you guys don't hate me too much.  i still love you. :)

annamarie

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hi everyone,

there will be a new indigo girls video and dvd coming out on june 20th,
according to an epic pre-release schedule for the summer.  there isn't any
more information available right now, but as soon as we hear anything more
about the release, i'll post it.    perhaps this is the denver show that was
filmed last november...........

also, i was lucky enough to get an advance copy of the new woody guthrie
tribute cd, thanks to a very wonderful person.  =)   ig sing a song, with
ani, called "ramblin' 'round".  great song!!  they also contribute vocals on
the opening track, "hard travelin'".    definitely check it out when it comes
out on may 23rd.     it's called "till we outnumber 'em", and it's put out by
righteous babe records.

=)
lisa

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but in this case, "bitch" was used to describe a woman (anne murray). my
point is, either let all the words in or none of them. otherwise, it gives
the appearance of a mild case of mysogeny (i loved the song and was hoping
it would win and was irked with all the bleeping). plus, why do you think i
have a chip on my shoulder because i don't like jolie and thought the other
actresses did a better job??

ryan


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> come closer, so i can knock that chip off of your shoulder. ;-)  i haven't
> seen "girl, interrupted" yet, but she was great in "gia," no
> matter who her
> father is.
>
>
> because "bitch" can also be a female dog.  for the same reason, "ass"
> passes muster, as long as it is not followed by "hole." :-)

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ok it is quite obvious i need to clarify. i'm not some raging feminist. i
was just noticing the appearance that is presented when you bleep out words
like "crap" and "bitch" and "hell" but let "bitch" go through.

and i am oh so sorry i don't like exactly all the same people as everyone
else on this list *smirk* and think someone else would have been more
deserving (like chloe)

ryan

> -----original message-----

> but it's ok to refer to a woman 'playing' a bitch in a movie role...eh?

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are you lumping the appearance of incest with gender or sexual identity?
hmmmm, i think dr. laura does that alot too.

they should have just said angelina jolie plays angelina jolie. i mean,
c'mon even the critics are saying she plays the same role over and over
again, much like harrison ford (whom i also don't like).

i will be happy to take further discussions about my personal likes and
dislikes to private mail.

ryan

> -----original message-----

> how do you (ryan) know anjelina didn't need any preparation?  anytime i've
> ever seen her interviewed in the media, she comes off as someone who is
> confident and someone who doesn't take shit from anyone.  and so she is
> close to her brother.  how can you judge the relationship she has with her
> brother? there are so many people out there who say, ewwwwwwwwww, when
> they see 2 women or 2 men or 2 trans-sexuals walking down the street
> holding hands or kissing.  how does that feel?  you don't know the nature
> of the relationship she has with her brother and frankly, it's really none
> of our business.
>
> regardless of anjelina's characters both real life and fictional, perhaps
> seeming like a bitch, you are also failing to realize that she was acting
> as a sociopath.  there's an edge to that kind of role that lots of actors
> can't accomplish, which is likely to be the reason that she was recognized
> for it.  i'm glad she won.  she deserved it.
>
> carolyn
>
>
>
> on mon, 27 mar 2000, deb wrote:
>
> > >from:    ryan blackhawke <hawke2@email.msn.com>
> > >
>
> > >angelina gets an oscar for playing a bitch? where was the challenge?
> > i mean, >it's not like she had to do much preparation.
> >
>
>
> > that's kind of an obnoxious observation to make without at least some
> > supporting information... not that i really care to know if she's a
> > bitch.  i'd just as soon evaluate performances without respect to
> > personalities.
>
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ryan wrote,
> ok it is quite obvious i need to clarify. i'm not some raging feminist. i
> was just noticing the appearance that is presented when you bleep out words
> like "crap" and "hell" but let "bitch" go through.

...i agree with ryan, it is subtle sexism, whether people realize it or not. it's the same as when the press quotes athletes who say they played like a sissy, and no one in the media gets (or seems to get) what that *really* means.
deb

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hi all -

did anyone happen to record the girls doing "uncle john's band" on world cafe
on 3-23?  please, please...if anyone out there has a copy of it, let me
know...thanks...

peace,

~j

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finally!!  i've been waiting so long for that, i was losing patience!

i wasn't an ig fan at the time of this show...but it was taped in cleveland,
at the very time that the loverly jilly c was coming out to me and i was
turning 18.
so *i* just think its cool!

**********

also, i was lucky enough to get an advance copy of the new woody guthrie
tribute cd, thanks to a very wonderful person.  =)   ig sing a song, with
ani, called "ramblin' 'round".  great song!!  they also contribute vocals on
the opening track, "hard travelin'".    definitely check it out when it
comes
out on may 23rd.     it's called "till we outnumber 'em", and it's put out
by
righteous babe records.

=)
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hey--did someone post something about an indigo girls street team?
i would appreciate some information...

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sincerest apologies to those of you that this doesn't concern (which would
be most of you, as this is by and large a nice list).

listen, i have only had hate mail once before, and it was recently on
another list.  i would like to just say publically, that i dont expect to
have my country, religion or person attacked for making a fairly basic
statement about not wanting the oscars outcome spoilt for me, i am sure the
original posters are not so het up about this stuff, but for some reason i
really touched a nerve and it brought out the xenophobe in some folk.

the next person who emails me hate mail about this will be reported.

regards,
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hey, i think if you check indigogirls.com there's more info on it.
basically, though, i think it's an opportunity for college students to help
out if ig are playing at their school. there's a list of all the colleges
and an email addy to sign up, though i don't know if it's a contest or what.
hope that helps!

megan (o:,'

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hey--did someone post something about an indigo girls street team?
i would appreciate some information...

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hey, are you there when i need you to be there? ;)  email me pleeeeeze.

jude :)

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hey -

i was wondering if someone could email me the phone
number of the cornell box office?  i'm gearing up to
order some tickets for the 4/10 show!  woo hoo!

thanks in advance for your help!

take it easy -
sunny - who laughed out loud re billy crystals dr.
laura comment tee hee

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----i couldn't agree more.  she was hanging all over him like she was his
lover not his brother!----


or ummm, weird quote.

"i am just so in love with my brother."  -jolie, at once creeping out and
titillating a billion people


ewwwwwwww

ryan

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"----i couldn't agree more.  she was hanging all over him like she was his
lover not his brother!----"

well she's not - she's his sister.

i think the thing that bugs me most about this whole discussion is the
violation of the one thing we think is most important about the girls -
their right to provacy.  i think in that, there is an element of not being
judgemental.  when we were discussing amy's declaration that she had been
interested in a guy before, the prevailing sentiment was that amy's life
is her business, how she identifies, then or now, is her business, and we
need to respect that.  why should any other celebrity be different?

no, people don't have to agree with everything i think or say, but
similarly - people don't have to agree with what anyone  thinks or says --
or does.  so what if she hangs all over her brother?  so what if it's
because she is insecure?  maybe she is - she's not superhuman and all the
star status in the world won't change that.  but if your problem is with
public affection in general, don't trash her because she happens to be the
center of the discussion right now.

hell - i just get so worked up because i can't hold my girlfriend's hand
(not that i have one right now) or kiss her if i want to - but i have to
seethe privately because the woman at the next table over is crawling all
over her boyfriend/husband because a table full of dykes next to her make
her feel uncomfortable and she needs to make it perfectly clear (as if any
of us was looking at her like that) that she was straight.  i think that
kind of intolerance is way more important than whether or not some
celebrity is draped all over her brother on tv or in pictures.

but that's just my $5 opinion. *smirks*

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i think semantics may be why so many of us (including me) were a little
creeped out by angelina jolie.  she said she is "in love" with her
brother, a phrase that implies passion, sex, etc.  if she simply said
that she "loves" her brother, we probably would not be so disturbed.

just a thought....

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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i know that in the years listening to ig and other artist, one song will play such a role in my life that it always acts as  a trigger for that time or event..in my memory.....my question is as follows.......there are a few songs which....at one time meant something so much and then a few years later or so i find myself listening to it in a different light...hearing the same words with a different message....
for me...one such song is river...and mystery.....what about others on the list...
sparkie......

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hmm...

speaking as someone in the field, i have to put in my 2 cents and
disagree... it takes a lot more than you might think to send yourself
to a dark enough place to play a role like that.  it's not a place that
i would like to visit often.  and her character was much more than just
a bitch... she was phychotic, and she had some deep-seated insecurity
problems that caused her to behave the way she did.  if we wrote off
everyone with those kinds of problems as simply being a bitch, we'd all
be in big trouble ;)

you have to really "go there" to play a role like that, and i am
disappointed that more people didn't see the depth se brought through
in that role.  apparently the academy voters did, though, and i'm very
supportive of their decision.

like you said ryan, just my opinion. :)

jean


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> (whom i
> know we all listen to before going to see movies ;->) was she has
> never had
> a role that was much of a challenge, especially this last one. and
> that
> she'd win because hollywood is in love with its own and she's
> 2nd-gen.
>
> i just don't like her. i would not go see a movie just to see her.
> she is
> not a draw for me. now sarandon or weaver on the other hand...
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> > i was just wondering - there have been a couple people that have
> said that
> > all of her roles have been bitchy, and alluded to some "fact" that
> it
> > doesn't take much imagination or talent on her end...which movies
> have you
> > seen?  because i love ms. jolie - and i can think of several roles
> that
> > aren't bitchy.
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> > curiously,
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hey y'all,

two things - first, i need a wonderful reading for my sister's wedding.  did
"let me not the marriage of true minds admit impediments" at her first and
would like something contemporary and feminist for her second :-)  thought
this would be a good place to ask for recommendations!

second, i was having a massage yesterday and the usual new-agey music w/birds
was playing.  i started wondering whether ig would be good relaxation music
or if i would spend the whole time singing along in my head!  has anyone ever
used ig music for a massage and if so, what songs worked best?

oh, one more thing - would the woman who participated in one of the v-day
readings of vagina monologues please e-mail me privately? thanks!

peace, love and all things indigo,

pam in big d

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the wood song...thanks to some kind friend onthe old epic board...
when my younger brother passed away she pointed those lyrics out...
peace and love,
       carrie
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perhaps you were creeped out by the "in love" part because society has
played a role in what that means - but there is nothing definitive that
says "in love" means passion and sex etc.  it's just what we have been
taught to believe.

i'm in love with a relationship between two friends of mine.  i don't just
love it - i'm in love - and i'm no even a part of that relationship.
sound off?  perhaps.  but guess what?  it doesn't have to be okay with
anyone but me.  same goes for angelina.  chances are - she isn't out there
doing what she does to please a few select people on this list.

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for me the song that signifies one period in my life is galileo.  it had
such a deep meaning for me.  now when i hear it i am reminded of that time,
but it has new meaning for me.  funny how really great songs seem to stand
the test of time.

i also have to agree with you, sparkie, that another song that has a lot of
meaning has to be river.  what an incredible song.

-mi rinda

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my problem isn't with public affection in general.  i don't care if i see
two guys, two girls or a guy and a girl hanging all over each other.  the
thing that made me uncomfortable about it was that the person she was being
overly affectionate in public with was a relative.  her brother.  i love my
siblings and am very close to them.  i am not afraid to admit that to
anyone.  but i do not go around touching them in a way that i feel is meant
only for intimate relationships.  once again, you are entitled to your
opinion and i am entitled to mine.  i do not tell you that you are wrong in
believing what you do.  so don't tell me that my point of view is wrong.  i
find it insulting.

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"----i couldn't agree more.  she was hanging all over him like she was his
lover not his brother!----"

well she's not - she's his sister.

i think the thing that bugs me most about this whole discussion is the
violation of the one thing we think is most important about the girls -
their right to provacy.  i think in that, there is an element of not being
judgemental.  when we were discussing amy's declaration that she had been
interested in a guy before, the prevailing sentiment was that amy's life
is her business, how she identifies, then or now, is her business, and we
need to respect that.  why should any other celebrity be different?

no, people don't have to agree with everything i think or say, but
similarly - people don't have to agree with what anyone  thinks or says --
or does.  so what if she hangs all over her brother?  so what if it's
because she is insecure?  maybe she is - she's not superhuman and all the
star status in the world won't change that.  but if your problem is with
public affection in general, don't trash her because she happens to be the
center of the discussion right now.

hell - i just get so worked up because i can't hold my girlfriend's hand
(not that i have one right now) or kiss her if i want to - but i have to
seethe privately because the woman at the next table over is crawling all
over her boyfriend/husband because a table full of dykes next to her make
her feel uncomfortable and she needs to make it perfectly clear (as if any
of us was looking at her like that) that she was straight.  i think that
kind of intolerance is way more important than whether or not some
celebrity is draped all over her brother on tv or in pictures.

but that's just my $5 opinion. *smirks*

--audra

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date:         tue, 28 mar 2000 13:32:51 -0500
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        i almost refrained from posting, because i hate to add fuel to a
discussion gone sour, but this really bothered me. audra was not saying
that your opinion was wrong; she was just politely and thoughtfully saying
what was on her mind. in fact, she expressly said that not everybody has
to agree with her. if you consider that a slam to your point of view, then
i think you may want to reevaluate your own ability to allow other people
their own opinions.
        diamond cut diamond.
        mandy


> once again, you are entitled to your
> opinion and i am entitled to mine.  i do not tell you that you are wrong in
> believing what you do.  so don't tell me that my point of view is wrong.  i
> find it insulting.

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> ryan blackhawke <hawke2@email.msn.com> wrote:
> > like i said, my opinion only but general concensus among critics
> > (whom i
> > know we all listen to before going to see movies ;->) was she has
> > never had
> > a role that was much of a challenge, especially this last one. and
> > that
> > she'd win because hollywood is in love with its own and she's
> > 2nd-gen.
> >
> > i just don't like her. i would not go see a movie just to see her.
> > she is
> > not a draw for me. now sarandon or weaver on the other hand
>
> hey ryan...do you like anything or anyone!?  you seem to put down a lot of
> people...sheesh
>

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ryan,

i wasn't offended by your opinion.  one thing i like about this list is that
opinions are allowed to roam free.

however, my opinion is that the way in which your statement was written
indicated that jolie was a bitch--played a bitch--and, didn't deserve any
recognition, b/c her father is voigt.

many hollywood children as just as talented if not more so than their
parental units and/or siblings.

and, as i said before, that is my opinion.

respected (i hope) as everyone else's on the list.

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i would have to say that "love will come to you," "closer to fine," "ghost,"
and "love's recovery"
have all played a part in different situations in my lie--and, that hearing
them always brings back memories and feelings of those situations.

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i would have to say that i'm in love with many people in my life.  i don't
mean it sexually, however.

i think that we should all be in love with our friends in family--same
strength--different level.

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all this stuff about angelina jolie - what else has she been in?  i've only seen
her in "gia", in which she just blew me away.  she was unbelievable in that.  if
that's just a small indication of her talent . ..  wow.   but not only was she
great, but the woman who played her lover was great too.  it was one of the best
and saddest, most moving films i've seen in a long time.

elaine

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"my question is as follows.......there
are a few songs which....at one time meant something
so much and then a
few years later or so i find myself listening to it in
a different
light...hearing the same words with a different
message...."

for me, fare thee well was one of my favorite songs--i
liked it because it spoke of unrequited love and the
desire all of us have to have an opportunity "to love
and have lost than to never love"

after a bitter breakup, that song just reminds me of
what had been lost.

john

just me two cents worth.

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john,
that is a beautiful song.  i had forgotten about it until you just mentioned
it.  thanks for making me remember that wonderful song!

>for me, fare thee well was one of my favorite songs--i
>liked it because it spoke of unrequited love and the
>desire all of us have to have an opportunity "to love
>and have lost than to never love"
>
>after a bitter breakup, that song just reminds me of
>what had been lost.
>
>john

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in a message dated 3/28/00 7:31:23 am pacific standard time,
ig4me@hotmail.com writes:

> the wood song...thanks to some kind friend onthe old epic board...
>  when my younger brother passed away she pointed those lyrics out...
>  peace and love,
>         carrie
that's mine too...i have all the versions i could find...i wish i had a live
one. so far i like the acoustic one best.

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in a message dated 3/28/00 11:22:45 am pacific standard time, bean@neu.edu
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> all this stuff about angelina jolie - what else has she been in?  i've only
> seen
>  her in "gia", in which she just blew me away.  she was unbelievable in
that.
>  if
>  that's just a small indication of her talent . ..  wow.   but not only was
> she
>  great, but the woman who played her lover was great too.  it was one of
the
> best
>  and saddest, most moving films i've seen in a long time.
the bone collector, with denzel washington
was the most recent one i saw her in. she played a police officer who works
with washington's character. it was kind of like a silence of the lambs
atmosphere. i really liked it.

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don't mean to be making any excuses for anybody or anything...

any one here grew up in a similar situation as hers?  not the famous dad
thing but divorce parents and have a bro/sis?  are your relationship with
your sibling(s) close (i don't know, in comparison to the people you know)?
i know a couple of sister units and they are way way way closer to each
other than my relationship with my 3 siblings.  how does one feel if one had
learned at an early age that one cannot count on the adults in one's life to
be there?  would one totally feel that the only family one has is one's
sibling, whom one can depend on to be there through thick, thin, ups, downs,
etc?  i can't say coz am not in that situation.

on top of that, imagine being a very famous public figure who does not seem
to want to sensor oneself in any form of expression.  a person who wants to
communicate, who wants to reach out and relate but was misunderstood,
mis-quoted, misinterpreted.  one must be getting tons of not so nice mail
from who knows what, eh.  one must feel/think/truely believe that the only
really safe place is with one's family.

she seem like a very complicated human being (isn't every human being
complicated?).  she is still very young and still trying to work things out
(hopefully there is no age limit on that).  i am just guessing here coz i
don't know her.  i think as soon as the world (no, wait, canada) stop
judging and just listen (oh, look... a flying pig)....

anyway,
manivone

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for those of you who are interested, below is a link that contains an
interview w/ her right after she won the oscar.  she talks about her
relationship w/ her brother...

http://www.oscar.com/ceremony/backstage/win_bst_ats.html

i personally think it is great that she has such a strong relationship =
with
her brother.

-jackie


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in a message dated 3/28/00 12:00:41 pm pacific standard time,
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> don't know her.  i think as soon as the world (no, wait, canada) stop
>  judging and just listen (oh, look... a flying pig)....
"....any fool knows a dog needs a home
and shelter
>from pigs on the wing..."
--roger waters, (c) 1977 pink floyd music

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> > hey ryan...do you like anything or anyone!?  you seem to put
> down a lot of
> > people...sheesh

yes. but i don't like people who yell. why have a problem when i disagree
with you? do i need to turn in my dyke card because i don't like aj?
interesting, i thhought it was only the mle list that dragged its members
through the mud for daring to disagreee with popular opinion.

ryan

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oh wow, and add blood and fire to the mix and you'd have my list. what a
great thread.

ryan

> -----original message-----

> i would have to say that "love will come to you," "closer to
> fine," "ghost,"
> and "love's recovery"
>  have all played a part in different situations in my lie--and,
> that hearing
> them always brings back memories and feelings of those situations.

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claudia's list echoes mine almost exactly...
"love will come to you," "ghost," and "love's recovery" are all songs that
have touched me deeply and bring back the memories, good, bad and
heartbreaking, each time i hear them.
        "closer to fine" is the first ig song i ever heard...i actually saw the
video on vhi or mtv late at night in 89 in my room when i was 19 and at
home from school. i remember kneeling in front of the tv with the volume
way down, since my little brother was asleep in the next room. i went to
try and find the tape the next day, which i had to order since the guy at
the music store had never heard of them. when it came in the next week, i
listened to it nonstop for days, soaking up every song and falling in love
with their music.
        michelle

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** private **

sitting here trapped at work with no music today...omg will i make it....anyway....

the question to the list is:
"who is the person or group of people that you have introduced to the indigo girls who you thought would not go for them but have become fans.....perhaps even more so than yourself......"

my answer would be a coworker who was a huge homophobic person for years who loved their music and after awhile i told her they were gay ....she paused...and then said...ya know  it's their music and statements i like....i guess it doesn't matter what they do behind their own doors...

she still likes em....

sparkie.....

loralei riney
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> "who is the person or group of people that you have introduced to the indigo girls who you thought would not go for them but have become fans.....perhaps even more so than yourself......"
>
my 15 year old little sister-----she grew up in a very "christian" household and was
never interested in music. i had an extra ticket for a concert last year and dragged her along.
ever since she has been obsessed, more than i thought was possible....its good for her to have
such awesome role models during the trying/difficult teenage years! me

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"don't mean to be making any excuses for anybody or anything...

any one here grew up in a similar situation as hers?  not the famous dad
thing but divorce parents and have a bro/sis?  are your relationship with
your sibling(s) close (i don't know, in comparison to the people you know)?
i know a couple of sister units and they are way way way closer to each
other than my relationship with my 3 siblings.  how does one feel if one had
learned at an early age that one cannot count on the adults in one's life to
be there?  would one totally feel that the only family one has is one's
sibling, whom one can depend on to be there through thick, thin, ups, downs,
etc?  i can't say coz am not in that situation"

this will be my last post on this since people are probably getting bored
too death of it---yes, i have grown up in a situation similiar to jolie's.
and i love her as an actress normally, but this thing with her brother is
quite ridiculous.  i love my brother alot, but i don't think you guys have
seen her all the time.  i have kept track of her ever since i saw hackers
and have met her twice, most recently at a theater in manhattan, and yes,
she's courteous and nice and beautiful, but she is on top of him all the
time.  i mean really, not a little, alot!!  it's bizarre.  i don't know what
she's thinking or how's she's feeling, but i'm sure other people have
noticed it.  and no, you're right, in response to someone when they
commented on other people's privacy, like the i.g., but if you want privacy,
don't fall on your brother at every awards show when thousands of people are
looking at you.  it looks like incest practically.  there are worse things
she can do--alot worse--but this is just too weird, even for me.  stand up
on your own two feet, be counted-----for yourself- you earned it.

annamarie

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i've been a lurker for a while, but this is my first post.  here goes...

> the question to the list is:
> "who is the person or group of people that you have introduced to the
indigo girls who you thought would not go for them but have become
fans.....perhaps even more so than yourself......"

my former doctoral supervisor -- he's in his 70s and is not into popular
culture at all (he's a medievalist and collects rare books and teases me for
my taste in b movies...but, to be fair, he's clean-shaven and very happily
married to a feminist activist).  anyway, we were having lunch a couple of
months ago and somehow ig came up in conversation, and he expressed an
interest in hearing their stuff.  i was a little skeptical, but i gave him a
tape.  his reaction: "they're fabulous...and my god, they can really sing,
can't they!"

i wouldn't say that he's a bigger fan than i am, but he's certainly been
converted.

ruth

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