lifeblood: listlogs: 2000-05a


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date:         mon, 1 may 2000 10:15:38 +0900
reply-to:     prochoicer@gurlmail.com
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hey,

once again, i'm asking...does anyone know what is up with summerfest in milwaukee?  i saw that the girls are playing on the 29th of june.  anyone know where/how to get tickets.

also, saturday was antioch college's (yellow springs, ohio) graduation.  antioch has a history of activism, so it was no surprise that they invited mumia abu-jamal for their graduation speaker (well, one of them).  anyway, since the speaker was quite controversial, on saturday morning there was a community forum which was set up to explain the issues at hand.  i attended both the forum and the graduation.  they kept on announcing the 7 may rally for support for mumia in nyc.  on a lot of the flyers i received, the indigo girls' names are listed.  i am going to try to go to the rally whether the girls play or not.  but does anyone know what's up with that?  i think they actually have another engagement on the 7th.  but they're on the "invitations committee."  if anyone has any further information, please let me know.  also, is anyone else planning on attending the rally?  i really want to.  since it is finals week and i have no finals this year, i may be able to (provided i could find a cheap-o way to get to nyc).  i'd love to possibly meet up with some listees there.

ok, gotta go work on my feminist film theory paper for political theory...

:-) karen


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date:         sun, 30 apr 2000 22:25:12 edt
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i checked the summerfest website, and it's still too early for full daily
line-ups. however, on the day that the girls are supposed to be there,
opening night, the black crowes w/ jimmy page are scheduled for the mainstage
marcus ampitheater. so if the girls are gonna be on the mainstage, they'd be
opening for them, which is unlikely in my opinion. also, those tickets are on
sale through ticketmaster, thus causing me to believe that any amendments to
the marcus lineup would already be known. thus this leaves the festival
stages, which are about the size of a house of blues or club stage. i saw
heart featuring ann wilson on one of these stages, two summers ago. it would
be much cooler if the girls played on a festival stage. there are no tickets
and usually no seats for these stages. all you have to do is pay admission to
the summerfest grounds, and you get access to all of the festival stages,
beer gardens, and other activities, as well as lawn admission for the marcus
ampitheater. so admission to summerfest is usually 10 bucks, and you get
whatever bands are playing for that day. you can also buy multiple day
passes, and they have special bargain price days too. so my advice is, if you
want to be up close for the girls with them being on a festival stage, sit
through the show prior to them. hell folks, it's milwaukee, so people
definatly get up for beer in between shows. so i for one will be at
summerfest and am hoping that they're on a festival stage. i'll keep y'all
posted as to anything i may find out. peace.

jax

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date:         sun, 30 apr 2000 22:43:15 edt
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re:  the may 7th mumia benefit in nyc vs the may 7th nashville show -
according to the ig website, they are definitely confirmed to be playing in
nashville, not in new york at the mumia benefit.

also - sorry for the nigc, but if molly and shelley from spartanburg are out
there, can you email me?   i didn't get to say goodbye at the show, and want
to do so!

thanks!
=)
lisa

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date:         mon, 1 may 2000 13:10:04 +1000
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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hey folks,

this is forwarded from the news-only list...

-sherlyn

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: sun, 30 apr 2000 21:44:52 -0400
from: flora brown <flora_brown@brown.edu>
to: ig-news@smoe.org
subject: [ig-news] ig in new book!

check out "i know just what you mean: the power of friendship in women's
lives" by ellen goodman and patricia o'brien (simon & schuster, 2000) -
there is a very large chunk devoted to amy and emily.  the section about
the indigo girls (specifically, their relationship with each other, based
around an interview) begins on page 199 (and runs until 205, and also
includes a picture).

except for a very small misprint ("blood fire" instead of "blood and
fire"), i think that this section is extremely well-written and insightful
- (and, although i've only skimmed the rest of the book, it seems as though
it would make a great mother's day/any other occasion gift.) is this the
first time that a and e have been thoroughly acknowledged in a book?! wow!
enjoy!!!
peace, flora

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date:         mon, 1 may 2000 02:39:35 -0400
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hey! well, i went to ccf last night, and it was awesome! heard some stuff i
never ever thought i'd hear and met some cool people from this list and from
the epic bbs. so, here's the setlist followed by a somewhat detailed
description of the wonderful time i had:

least complicated
shame on you (with michelle malone, hereafter called mm)
peace tonight
ozilline (with mm)
southland in the springtime (with sheila boyle, hereafter called sb)
i don't wanna know (with mm)
power of two
go
hammer and nail
gone again (with mm)
coldbeer and remote control
chickenman (with mm and michael lorant~ml)
closer to fine (with mm, sb, ml, and ml's son joey, a wee baby of about 4
months~ how cute!!!!)

encore:
thin line (with ml and mm)
kid fears (with shawn mullins)
galileo

ok, here's my experience... first of all, this was my first real roadtrip.
it was two friends, bethany and amie, and me, driving from atlanta to
charlotte. we made the drive there pretty late, got into our hotel around 3
or so and got some sleep. we woke up saturday afternoon and after showers,
food, and a trip to eckerd's for trash bags (it really looked like rain, so
we wanted to be prepared), we headed for the festival. parking was easy, and
we got in with no problems. we headed to the budweiser stage where danielle
howle, shawn mullins, and the girls were playing. when we got there,
danielle (dh) had already started her set, and was being adorable. i had
seen her once before in '98, and didn't remember her being quite so good.
she put on a great show and was super friendly when my friends and i met
her. my friend amie, who volunteers for an aids awareness organization in
chattanooga, thought very quickly on her feet when we met dh and asked her
to sign a condom, saying that it was for a display about safe sex (using
influential people to say "have safe sex!") amie asked if dh could get us
the hookup with some other people (like mm and the girls). dh said she'd see
what she could do, but we kinda figured she couldn't do much about the girls
)o:  oh well...
off to mm! she put on a great show at the locals stage. i had never seen her
perform, and had only heard a few of her songs, but i found her highly
enjoyable and can't wait to see her again. at one point she dropped a pick,
and amie was lucky enough to get it. however, bethany saw that the adorable
little girl next to us wanted it, and so amie gave it to her. great gesture
on amie's part! (o: we got mm's autograph and then made a semi-beeline for
the bud stage again.
the ig countdown:
shawn mullins was about to come on, and we sorta pushed to the front of the
crowd. we were a little right of center, about 2 people back from the front
through all of shawn. we had a couple of run ins with scary people, but all
was pretty well. after shawn finished, we looked for his fans to leave and
got right behind the front people. it was quite fun! we met some great
people~ angie, laura, angie(there were two, i'm not an idiot!), kristy-mint,
jen, leeann, amy, amy (again, two!), steven and jared (the boyeez!), marnie
and the nice g-name boy whose with the soon-to-be-famous condom backpack,
and nick-n-tara. hey y'all! thanks for helping make my concert experience
shnazz-a-rific! there were a couple of ladies to our left who were kinda
rude, they took up a ton of room and when we asked them to move their feet a
little, they said no (because they'd been there all day and they didn't want
to worry about--"the whole butt-grabbing thing" ?!?, whatever that
means--)other than that, the people were awesome! great crowd!
amyray, back to the concert... the girls came on and were, like i said
before, awesome!! amy was wearing a white shirt with blue design and writing
"lay quiet awhile" (i think she's worn it before at a concert i went to),
darkish blue (indigo?! i think so!! yay!!) over shirt (which she took off
half way through the show), and jeans that showed off her fabulous butt (o:
emily wore black pants and a periwinkle t-shirt with a black over shirt with
side slits, half way buttoned, and no glitter (she's been glittered the past
couple of times i've seen her)--though she was wearing pretty red
nailpolish.
okee dokee...the audience sang along with pretty much all the songs, except
maybe a couple of the slow ones. having mm and co. there seemed to give amy
tons of extra energy, and she was having lots of fun jumping around and
being her wonderfully charismatic amy self.  emily was also terribly
cute...making her concentrating faces and having fun with the crowd. they
really loved that the crowd was so into it, and so it gave them tons more
energy for performing. also, a woman from the bbs (epic) was there with her
young daughter (she looked about 6 or 7) who knew all the words(same little
girl from the mm show). amy and emily looked very happy to see her above the
rest of the crowd on her mom's shoulders--they looked at her and smiled a
lot and the lucky girl got a much deserved set list. (if you get this, hey
anasazi!)
i was really happy to hear southland and thin line...it was awesome!
also, bethany and i took the same sign that we had with us at the tabernacle
in december to this concert. it said "we lost our autographs. can we have
yours? (please?)" they smiled at us, but no autographs...i think we're
waiting for some recognition on their part. amie made a sign that said "hey!
my name is amy too!" amy ray smiled and gave amie a big wave, making her
cloud nine happy.
hearing kid fears with shawn mullins was an extra treat, and it was super
cool to hear everyone in the crowd singing the different parts.  after the
show, sullie (or is it sully?) threw out picks and set list--i got a pick!
we attempted to meet amy and emily, but with no luck ): maybe someday,
right?
oh, gosh this is long...sorry y'all!

basking in the exploits of a and e,
megan (o:,'

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date:         mon, 1 may 2000 01:44:16 -0500
reply-to:     barbara bordner <barbarafrommn@webtv.net>
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from:         barbara bordner <barbarafrommn@webtv.net>
subject:      re: fw: ig in new book!
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i wish there was a book about ig.  i'm always reading  something,  and
while i'm at it icould stand to read a book on peter,paul and mary
too.  but  i don't see anythig so i guess i have to stick  with  what's
out there.


peace

barb

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date:         mon, 1 may 2000 09:37:27 -0500
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<<i'm straight so i'm not sure i ever would have seen that angle.
evryone, thanks for sharing and opening my eyes  to the meaning>>

that's funny to me because i am straight but i have always, from the first
time i heard that song, thought that was what it was about.

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date:         mon, 1 may 2000 11:19:55 -0400
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as a point of interest, would you think the same thing if the artist weren't
openly gay?

> <<i'm straight so i'm not sure i ever would have seen that angle.
> evryone, thanks for sharing and opening my eyes  to the meaning>>
>
> that's funny to me because i am straight but i have always, from the first
> time i heard that song, thought that was what it was about.

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date:         mon, 1 may 2000 10:27:22 -0500
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<<as a point of interest, would you think the same thing if the artist
weren't
openly gay?>>

actually yes i would have thought the same thing.  maybe it is just me and
the way i see things.  but i really feel that it was obvious to me that is
what the song was saying.  i mean i could be totally wrong and emily might
not have meant it at all.  but that is just what i hear in the song.
and just to point out another thing, i loved ig music for a long time but
seeing as no one else i know likes them.  and not having the internet or
anything like that as a resource, i really didn't know that they were gay
when i first heard their music.  and even not knowing that i still thought
that was what the song was saying.
you may think i am completely crazy, but i can live with that.  :)
have a great day y'all!

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date:         mon, 1 may 2000 10:41:42 -0500
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i am sorry to use space here but an truly interested in seeing any write ups r news from the march. i had to work all weekend and was isolated from contact and got home too late to see the news and our local carried nothing on it....can anyone direct me to a site the has any extended news coverage on it....

thanks...sparkie ( who cant do the npr thing or anything like that cause work doesn't have the specs for listening to it....* (

loralei riney
eligibility supervisor/membership analyst
bannerhealth system
445 w. 5th place
mesa, az. 85201
480-827-4829
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date:         mon, 1 may 2000 11:43:05 -0400
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crazy? not at all....perceptive, maybe :)

just wondering how much our perception of an artist colors the way we hear
the music....

have a great day,
tim

> <<as a point of interest, would you think the same thing if the artist
> weren't
> openly gay?>>
>
> actually yes i would have thought the same thing.  maybe it is just me and
> the way i see things.  but i really feel that it was obvious to me that is
> what the song was saying.  i mean i could be totally wrong and emily might
> not have meant it at all.  but that is just what i hear in the song.
> and just to point out another thing, i loved ig music for a long time but
> seeing as no one else i know likes them.  and not having the internet or
> anything like that as a resource, i really didn't know that they were gay
> when i first heard their music.  and even not knowing that i still thought
> that was what the song was saying.
> you may think i am completely crazy, but i can live with that.  :)

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date:         mon, 1 may 2000 11:47:44 -0400
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oops! it's sheila doyle, not boyle. thanks to erin for the correction!

(o:,'
megan

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date:         mon, 1 may 2000 10:34:34 pdt
reply-to:     cara klein <cowsrule52@hotmail.com>
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hey all! i know im prolly late in the napster thing, but i finally
downloaded her at werk and im addicted! i did a search for our girls and
there was some most awsome stuff, which im sure most of you already know
about. however, on the off chance there are some who havent gone there yet
or didnt know about it, do it!!

there are some incredible live mps there w/ the girls and other artists (my
favs) like sarah, ani, jewel, joan biaz, etc!! i dont have the lilith fair
album, but i had heard the rendition of "the water is wide" before, and i
saw it on the database and downloaded! one of the most beautiful songs ever,
more beautiful w/ all those amazing voices of the girls, sarah and jewel!
(not a huge jewel fan but she has a beautiful voice, and sarah, well, i love
her voice beyond words!!) there also a rendition of  "midnight train to ga"
w/ ani and the girls (kicker!!) and well a whole slew of songs up
there!!!!!!! finally got to hear uncle johns band!! there is one song i
found that i had never ever heard before!! i was just thinking how
incredible it would be if amy and emily did a song totally acupela b/c their
voices together are beyond words amazing, and i found one!! american tune
(live) is the song! anyone else familiar w/ it? oh ma gosh!!!!!! gorgous!!
thier harmonies have never shown brighter as it is just the two of them and
thats it!!!  i checked out some melissa (love her live energy especially)
and now im gonna mosey on over and type in queen! my previous other all time
favorite ever band!!

btw, i was unable to muster up the energy to go the ccf concert this weekend
in charlotte, but thanks to those who posted about how awsome it was! bummer
i missed it, but i havent at all been feelin up to par this past week and i
didnt get out of bed at all saturday! my gf had to be back early sunday
anway (lives w/ and does home health care an elderly woman) to take care of
her little lady so it just wasnt something that was a good idea! (thanks
parker for tryin to get me those tix, i never did recieve them!) i guess not
gettin those tix was another sign tellin me to stay put!! thanks for the
info about the duke show too!! i cant wait to see em in june in raleigh!! we
got decent seats so i am lookin forward to it!! hope all have a superific
day!!

cara
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date:         mon, 1 may 2000 13:55:20 -0400
reply-to:     mbeene@wesleyancollege.edu
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hey! american tune is one of my favorites, along with uncle john's
band...fyi, i think american tune is originally a paul simon song...which
kind of explains the harmony to me, as his music lends itself so easily to
beautiful blendings like theirs...
i wish they'd cover more of his stuff (or early simon adn garfunkel) like
cecilia or the boxer, anything!!!

megan (o:,'

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finally got to hear uncle johns band!! there is one song i
found that i had never ever heard before!! i was just thinking how
incredible it would be if amy and emily did a song totally acupela b/c their
voices together are beyond words amazing, and i found one!! american tune
(live) is the song! anyone else familiar w/ it? oh ma gosh!!!!!! gorgous!!
thier harmonies have never shown brighter as it is just the two of them and
thats it!!!

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date:         mon, 1 may 2000 13:03:36 -0500
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i think there are probably 10 songs of s&g's that i would love to hear the girls do...old friends...troubled water.....wonder if we could submit a wish list.....sparkie

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anyone else a closeted jim croce fan as well....to hear tem do time in a bottle of car wash blues....rapid roy stockcar boy or nora the roller derby queen.....oh yeah,....i can see it...sparkie
(who has too much time right now waiting for the eligibility files to process thru the first few stages....ho well...job security..)

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definitely jim croce!!  also, i got a name and i'll
have to say i love you in a song.  you just brought a
load of memories from when i was a kid, growing up in
the 70s.  i would love to hear the girls do songs by
gordon lightfoot and the carpenters too.  i could go
on forever.

jana

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> anyone else a closeted jim croce fan as well....to
> hear tem do time in a bottle of car wash
> blues....rapid roy stockcar boy or nora the roller
> derby queen.....oh yeah,....i can see it...sparkie


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"i would love to hear the girls do songs by
gordon lightfoot and the carpenters too"

okay...what about cat stevens and a couplle of the old statle bro. songs//specifically freckles.....heck...to truly show the weird selection of music raised on...some good old johnnie cash...........sparks.

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how could i forget cat stevens?!  oh very young is one
of my favorites of his.  don't know much of the
statlers, except flower on the wall, which would be
fun to hear the girls sing.  you got me with johnny
cash.

jana


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> old statle bro. songs//specifically
> freckles.....heck...to truly show the weird
> selection of music raised on...some good old johnnie
> cash...........sparks.


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i just talked to the box offices for both the ames
show and cedar rapids show.  both shows go on sale
this friday 5/5 at 10 a.m. central.  you can get
tickets at all ticketmaster outlets, or at the box
offices.  the cedar rapids show isn't listed on the
ticketmaster website yet, but the woman said tickets
are $35, reserved seating.  amesfor more info you can
call the box offices
stephens auditorium, ames (515) 294-2479
paramount theatre, cedar rapids (319)398-5211
anyone else going to either show?  with ravinia and
the two minneapolis shows the week before, i'll be in
indigo heaven
:)carrie

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>once again, i'm asking...does anyone know what is up with summerfest in
>milwaukee?  i saw that the girls >are playing on the 29th of june.  anyone
>know where/how to get tickets.

the last update that the jsonline.com has give for the schedule on the 29th
is ancient (4/6/00 update) , but:

june 29

                                jimmy page and the black crowes <-- headliner
                                blues traveler
                                alkaline trio* (source: pollstar)
                                link 80* (source: pollstar)
                                mu330* (source: pollstar)
                                "plea for peace"* (source: pollstar)
                                steel pulse

which means the ig will be playing on a side stage.  so, you can get
tickets by being admitted to the summerfest grounds.  that ticket will get
you to all the side stages including blues traveller.   depending how early
and what promotions are going on that could be anywhere from $10 to free.
check the summerfest web site (www.summerfest.com) as the date approaches
for the free promotions that day (e.g., bring 2 cans of food before 3 pm =
$2 admission).  some advice: get there early to stake claim if you want to
be close to the stage.  4 pm should do it.

chris <-- pi**ed because yet again i will miss the girls in washington,
boston, and milwaukee by
        by a combined total of 3 days -- and i have great seats to both
wolftrap shows. *sigh*

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this is what shelley did with her sunday.

shelley played hand me downs for a good hour yesterday. then she went to her
women's rock class, and had the stellar revelation that hand me downs and
doll parts have the same chords, and are darn near interchangeable.  then
she realized that keeper of my heart is also darn near similar.  then she
realized she can bounce from song to song, and stun and amaze her plants in
doing so.

then she decided to tell the world about it, so you can stun and amaze your
plants, too.

rock on,
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hey y'all! glad to see so many cat stevens, jim croce, and simon and
garfunkel fans. i'm a young 'un (20 in 12 days), and i am always amazed and
saddened when people my age don't know about great musicians like that...i
guess i have to look to a crowd that's a little older (though not too much
older, i think) for other people who've heard of them.

i'd love to hear the girls do some cat, amy could totally rock out "peace
train," and i'd like to hear emily on something like "wind." or perhaps
"wild world?" it's one of my absolute favorites; i think i would weep if
they ever covered it.

having fun thinking of ig cover tunes,
megan (o:,'

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how could i forget cat stevens?!  oh very young is one
of my favorites of his.  don't know much of the
statlers, except flower on the wall, which would be
fun to hear the girls sing.  you got me with johnny
cash.

jana

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found this article on the planet out site today:

indigo girls - amy ray and emily saliers


known in lesbian and women's music circles for years, the popularity of amy
ray and emily saliers -- the indigo girls -- has continued to
grow thanks to the heartfelt passion of their music and their devotion to
touring and activism.

while their music touches on everything from faith to fidelity,
this brave duo will always be known as a bold and popular
part of our own community.

for the past ten years, the indigo girls have been writing
inspiring songs with an unabashedly honest point of view,
creating an instantly recognizable sound and earning a
singular place in american music. their music cradles you in
the palm of its hand and then shakes you to your senses
again and again. they've built a large and loyal following of all
ages with live performances that are as up-close and personal
in a stadium as they are in a small club.

amy and emily have bravely and faithfully committed their
voices, time, and money to the issues that concern them
most -- women's rights, protection of the environment, the
rights of indigenous peoples, gay and lesbian rights, and gun
control -- creating a presence and impact outside
conventional boundaries of the music world.

their appearance at the 1993 march on washington dispelled
any doubts about their ties to the glbt community. while
gradually acknowledging it, the folk rock duo had been
blending activism with musicality for years.

the indigo girls were signed to epic records in 1988 and their
major label debut, indigo girls, was released in february 1989.
that album went double platinum and earned amy and emily
the 1989 grammy award for best contemporary folk group.

the two had been singing together since high school and had
been friends for many years before that. they never courted
the major labels, but simply struck out on their own,
self-releasing their first single in 1985 while still students at
emory university in atlanta, and putting out their first album,
strange fire, two years later. playing the indie circuit, the
girls wound up selling two million copies of their debut album
simply by singing it the way they felt it. in that respect, the
atlanta-based duo has not changed.

(epic reissued that certified gold disc in 1989 with an
additional track, the indigos' cover of the youngbloods' "get
together.")

when indigo girls was released, amy told an interviewer: "we
never expected to be on a major label and we're a little
nervous about it. we'll more or less function the way we
always have. no matter how many people we play for, it's
always been important to reach each one of them. that isn't
going to change."

in 1993 amy and emily went on a "ten-dollar tour" of small
clubs, with all tickets and t-shirts priced at ten bucks. in
1995, and again in 1997, they embarked on a series of benefit
concerts called the honor the earth tour. organized on behalf
of indigenous environmental activists, the tour included visits
and performances on tribal reservations from arizona to
alaska.

in 1998 amy and emily initiated the suffragette sessions
tour, a loose, left-field amalgamation of female artists that
amy described as "a socialist experiment in rock and roll." the
participants included gail ann dorsey, lisa germano, lourdes
perez, kate schellenbach, jane siberry, jean smith, josephine
wiggs, and thalia zedek. for the third year in a row, the duo
appeared this summer on a series of lilith fair dates around
the u.s. and in canada. their participation in this festival of
women's music has been particularly meaningful, as emily
says, "because we are a part of an event that reflects
women's growing role and visibility in the music business."

the indigo girls' achievements are impressive. over the
course of the past ten years they have sold over seven million
albums worldwide -- one double platinum disc, three platinum,
and four gold -- and earned six grammy award nominations.

their latest effort, come on now social, reveals the inner and
outer dimensions of a journey that has ushered amy and emily
into a "bolder than normal," highly provocative album. love
songs and battle cries intertwine with grave social
commentary, narrative, and "good fun."

in april 2000 the indigo girls shared a gay and lesbian
american music award (glama) for producer of the year with
john reynolds, their collaborator on the cut "trouble," from
the come on now social album.

amy especially related to reynolds and his fellow musicians'
celtic background, with its direct kinship to the appalachian
music she loves: "it's just like tapping into a source that's
endless." the diverse experiences of the other players --
bassist clare kenny and accordion player carol isaacs --
similarly influenced the indigos' sound, culminating in an album
that feels redemptive, simultaneously calm and explosive.
"the lyrics and the music react to one another," says amy.

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i am a problem child/i've been wild all my days/all my anger and my rage/my
senses said it would lead me astray/i said go go go/raise your hands/raise
your hands high/don't take a seat/don't stand aside this time/don't assume
anything/just go go go  --a. ray


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hope they're happy!

may 1 ('71)
markt@iinet.com.au (mark tovey)

may 4 ('75)
sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu (teresa c. esguerra)

may 4
indi5479@yahoo.com (sharon)

"three men in a desert wandering, one is knowing and two are scared.
they say time is in the river, oh but the river is not there.
dry in spirit, dry in body, two will lend themselves to death.
and in grief one weeps into his hands and drinks his bitter tears."


loven'stuff...
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i don't post to often but just wanted to give a big props to vermont for the gay civil unions.  i must preface this by saying that i am not gay, happily married 4 years this month.  i keep hearing all of these people rant about how gay unions demean marriage and i am sick of it.  about a month ago tom teepen posed the question in his column about do gay marriages harm the concept of marriage.  his brilliant conclusion was based on the fact that how can two people who love each other and are serious about the committment of marriage demean the institution!  that says it all.  as i said, i have experienced 4 wonderful years of a loving committed marriage and i only wish that someday people will wake up and realize that gay marriages only enhance the institution of marriage.  in deb price's column from today they showed 2 elderly woman embracing in vermont.  i can only hope and pray my wife and i are that loving when we reach that age.  it doensn't mean anything that they are two women.  it means everything that they love one another.

sorry to rant and rave but i just wanted to say yippie to vermont!

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yes, it is a paul simon song.  it's also on s&g concert in central park

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>yes, it is a paul simon song.  it's also on s&g concert in central park

and on the 'attack of the killer b-sides volume one' bootleg you can hear
the igs and s&g sing it together (also at www.andineil.com/indigogirls)

i'd like to hear the igs do these songs:
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nessum dorma and
poisoning pigeons in the park

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ig on bridge over troubled water would be awesome

on mon, 1 may 2000 13:03:36 -0500, loralei riney wrote:

>  i think there are probably 10 songs of s&g's that i would love to hear
the girls do...old friends...troubled water.....wonder if we could submit a
wish list.....sparkie

"the apathy of time laughs in my face, you say 'each life has its
place'"--vw--es
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okay, i'm not really this old but how about kansas:  dust in the wind, point
of know return, portrait, carry on my son...


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ok. i know in the past i have made big stinks about the nigc stuff. usually i
just delete.

but for jim, i'm on. jim left us with a full collection of damn near perfect
songs. (you are invited to think of any jim croce songs you hated (but not to
respond). he left us with damn near perfect songs, and a whole shelf left
empty where his would-be-great songs should have been kept.

like loosing harry chapin, the worlds last great minstrel, loosing jim croce
is a pain music has not yet healed from.

thanks for letting me have this moment!

joe

brooklyn, ny


ps. for what it is worth, jim's son aj croce has a few cds. i was listening
to one in greenwich village, tower on b'way, and it kicked some serious ass.
check it out, dad would of been proud

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        thank you for the iowa sale dates information! i was all excited last
weekend and planning a mini-vacation to drive up from southern illinois and
see both these shows when i remembered an evil co-worker of mine mentioned
she is taking the last week of june off to go to colorado with her family.
        the two of us run our department and we both can't be gone at the same
time. but, she has yet to mark the time request down on the newsroom-wide
vacation list for the year, which you're supposed to do to make sure there
are no conflicts.
        i'm tempted to get my vacation dates to go to the concerts on the list
tomorrow. she has not written her vacation request down before and has been
nagged about it...i'm well liked and she's not liked at all, so i'm pretty
sure with that and the fact that i wrote my time down i could get my way.
but do i want to operate that way? even though she's icky to me, i would
still feel bad. and then there's a chance i won't be able to get tickets,
but i'll know that by friday, so that's not really a factor. i want to go
so very much and this'll probably be my only chance to see themt his
year....what to do? any advice would be greatly appreciated.
michelle

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> from: carrie <carrie827@yahoo.com>
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> subject: iowa concerts onsale info
> date: monday, may 01, 2000 3:12 pm
>
> i just talked to the box offices for both the ames
> show and cedar rapids show.  both shows go on sale
> this friday 5/5 at 10 a.m. central.  you can get
> tickets at all ticketmaster outlets, or at the box
> offices.  the cedar rapids show isn't listed on the
> ticketmaster website yet, but the woman said tickets
> are $35, reserved seating.  amesfor more info you can
> call the box offices
> stephens auditorium, ames (515) 294-2479
> paramount theatre, cedar rapids (319)398-5211
> anyone else going to either show?  with ravinia and
> the two minneapolis shows the week before, i'll be in
> indigo heaven
> :)carrie
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they played "america"

not american tune - america

i mean - a bunch of pearl jam fans got together to get them to play a =
rare song called breathe, shall we start the "play america @ newport =
campaign, tossing guitar chords to the song when the obsessive sides of =
us give emily her birthday gift weeks before, leaving "random =
photocopied sheet music" with the tip at the bar at watershed... =
climbing up on stage and replacing their hand written setlists (i have =
enough to cut and paste what could pass for their writing 8^) with

america
america
america
encore: closer


obsessive , yeah.

something jill certo would do? hell yeah!

so do that make it *really* cool to do...

yup.

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could some one please send me the link / address to where amy's soc is
written out.  thanks...
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i hope i don't sound like a complete looser, but, what is amy's soc?

i expect much pain  for my ignorance =(

unless of course it's some really obscure song that she did when she was like
15. then i'd be really excited to find out how to get it. oh boy!!!! a new
amy song!!!!!!


joe

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don't worry about it, i had to ask too!
soc= stream of consciousness and refers to amy's style of writing,
especially in songs like chickenman. there's an example of her soc at a
website that was mentioned here earlier--i think i gave the link, but i
forget it now (i'll have to find it, it was something like "indizone"). it's
sort of a style of story telling, and it is often hard to follow.

i think virginia woolf and james joyce wrote in stream of consciousness
style, as have some more recent writers.

so, there's some info for ya!

(o:,'
megan

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i hope i don't sound like a complete looser, but, what is amy's soc?

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i've been way behind on my list mail and i couldn't have afforded the bulk
tapes anyhow, but i was just frantically hoping that the lucky purchaser(s)
of either of these tapes, especially the study hall one, would be willing to
trade me a copy...  i have a few boots to share...  the last one especially
sounds awesome!!   i'd love you forever, like you for always...  i know
you're out there somewhere!!

here are the tapes...

cooper seay & jan dykes, urban nirvana, atlanta, 11/93, a, aud, xlii 90, 45

mins, on same tape as urban nirvana

indigo girls urban nirvana, atlanta 11/93 a aud xlii 90 side 2 45 mins

and most especially

study hall, shamrock high school, decatur, ga, 11/81, xl ii 60 minutes -

with 4/10/89

hopefully,
lisa

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don't know if this has made the list yet, but the
girls will be at the red rocks amphitheater in denver,
co on july 9.  tickets go on sale saturday.

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in a message dated 5/1/00 5:45:11 pm eastern daylight time,
robbin_150@hotmail.com writes:

<< their appearance at the 1993 march on washington dispelled
any doubts about their ties to the glbt community. while
gradually acknowledging it, the folk rock duo had been
blending activism with musicality for years. >>


was anyone else who went to the march as disappointed as i was that amy and
emily weren't there??   i think they really blew it by not playing both not
playing at equality rocks and the march.  a lot of friends of mine know that
i am a big ig fan and they asked why they weren't there and i really didn't
have an excuse for them and was actually quite embarrassed they weren't
there.  i was there with them in 93 and in 2000 i feel let down   :(

indi

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>was anyone else who went to the march as disappointed as i was that amy and
>emily weren't there??   i think they really blew it by not playing both not
>playing at equality rocks and the march.  a lot of friends of mine know that
>i am a big ig fan and they asked why they weren't there and i really didn't
>have an excuse for them and was actually quite embarrassed they weren't
>there.  i was there with them in 93 and in 2000 i feel let down   :(
>
>indi

doesn't seem particularly surprising to me... they've both been pretty
vocal about having lots of problems with human rights campaign, for
supporting anti-woman, anti-choice politicians, among other things.  since
the march and assoc. concert were organized largely by hrc i would have
never expected the girls to be there...

shannon

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somebody asked how the march went, so i thought i would give my take =
(the short version, believe it or not).
by now, you've probably heard my argument, the gist of which was that it =
was a huge mistake to march this year, but once it was happening, it was =
important to show a united community to the media, since they would be =
reflecting it back to everybody else as a success or a failure, based on =
what they saw, and judging us as a community on that basis.
so, i slung my freedom rings around my neck, smothered myself in =
sunscreen, and headed off to dc on sunday morning. the metro in was fun =
- *everybody* was going to the march, which was a cool feeling. it gave =
me a whiff of what the world might be like if everybody was supportive.=20
the march itself was fun. i marched with the mautner project for =
lesbians with cancer, since a friend works there and said they needed =
people in their delegation ("2 4 6 ma'am/have you had your mammogram? 2 =
4 6 queer/have you had your pap smear? 2 4 6 8/mautner project's really =
great! 2 4 6 queer/be a mautner volunteer!")  i ran into tons of people =
i knew as we went through the streets, some of whom joined in with us, =
which was cool too.  that was where cool ended. it turned into a big =
white circuit party.
the "$5 donation requested" at the festival was actually a $5 admission =
fee, required. each day. if you paid your $5, you got to go inside, and =
spend more money. all of the food and water was behind that gate, as was =
the merchandise. more importantly, all of the *information* was behind =
that gate. all those  people who were there questioning their own =
sexuality, or making their first out statement in preparation to tell =
their parents? hope they had that $5 to go inside and get some =
pamphlets.  what bull.=20
the rally? some wonderful people stood and spoke. the president and vp =
sent videos - i don't begrudge that - why? because everybody but us was =
out of town. no lawmakers and legislators, on this sunday in april. any =
statement made was made solely for the media.=20
they said there were 300 000 of us there - i borrowed a stranger's =
wristband to do my investigation of the festival (i was not prepared to =
give them any money - and it was gross in there - people were throwing =
their trash everywhere - the street was littered with bones and =
shish-ka-bob skewers. the wrist band was in the 100 000s...which means =
$500 000 dollars, at least, that day, was spent at the festival, not =
even counting the merchandise. i know that an event like this is =
expensive, but think of what that money could do for the community... =
voting campaigns, grass-root organizing, lawyers for those who are =
losing their children to legislation. i don't mean to lessen the =
importance to the people who showed up from the far reaches of the =
country - there were large groups from north dakota(!) and utah(!) and =
west virginia(!) all very excited and very happy to be able to be part =
of a group this large. i just feel  that it could have happened next =
year, it could have been more inclusive, it coulda, it shoulda...but the =
indigo girls had the right idea when they chose not to play.=20
sarah
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pamphlets. =20
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sunday=20
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were=20
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shish-ka-bob skewers. the wrist band was in the 100 000s...which means =
$500 000=20
dollars, at least, that day, was spent at the festival, not even =
counting the=20
merchandise. i know that an event like this is expensive, but think of =
what that=20
money could do for the community... voting campaigns, grass-root =
organizing,=20
lawyers for those who are losing their children to legislation. i don't =
mean to=20
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of the=20
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west=20
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group=20
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in a message dated 5/1/2000 7:52:28 pm pacific daylight time,
indigokat@aol.com writes:

> a lot of friends of mine know that
>  i am a big ig fan and they asked why they weren't there and i really didn't
>  have an excuse for them and was actually quite embarrassed they weren't
>  there.  i was there with them in 93 and in 2000 i feel let down   :(

i think it had to do with the fact that a) they're on tour, and b) one of the
major sponsors of both the concert and the march was the human rights
campaign, about which amy and emily have both said they feel is exclusionary
and too "corporate" for their support.   i have a feeling the latter had the
most to do with it, although i really wish they would have been involved, as
well.   but more power to them for sticking to their principles, if that
indeed was the primary reason.

mis

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on mon, 1 may 2000 indigokat@aol.com wrote:

> playing at equality rocks and the march.  a lot of friends of mine know that
> i am a big ig fan and they asked why they weren't there and i really didn't
> have an excuse for them and was actually quite embarrassed they weren't
> there.  i was there with them in 93 and in 2000 i feel let down   :(
>

it isnt up to anyone, including them, to make excuses for their not
being there.  their feelings about hrc have been posted on this list before
(dont know if you saw those).  it is also not for us to be embarassed
by their absence, anymore than it is up to ellen to conclude that
the absence of any queer from washington was due to cowardice about
coming out.  i like ellen, and i very much enjoyed the last season of
her show, but i am very out and no coward.  if someone wants to
pick nits about ig's absence, let them.  none of us can really be
in their heads, nor should we be.  nor should we be apologetic on
their behalf...they're big kids and can defend themselves, just like
my reasons for not being there were my own and didnt need to be
secondguessed by ellen.


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in a message dated 5/1/00 11:17:16 pm eastern daylight time,
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<< doesn't seem particularly surprising to me... they've both been pretty
vocal about having lots of problems with human rights campaign, for
supporting anti-woman, anti-choice politicians, among other things.  since
the march and assoc. concert were organized largely by hrc i would have
never expected the girls to be there...

shannon >>

yeh i guess that's why they didnt go but i dont feel like it was a good
enough reason.  ironically, i dont always agree with all their political
views but i still go to their shows.  i just felt the march was an
opportunity to be unified and show george w and co. that come nov. our
community is a force to be reckoned with.  i got tired of the controversy
surrounding the march.  someone had to organize it.  i think hrc and mcc made
mistakes in the beginning but in the long run did a helluva job.  i dont know
about others who went but i came home today so energized and proud to be gay.


indi

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in a message dated 5/1/00 11:23:32 pm eastern daylight time,
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<< the "$5 donation requested" at the festival was actually a $5 admission
fee, required. each day. if you paid your $5, you got to go inside, and spend
more money. all of the food and water was behind that gate, as was the
merchandise.  >>

i didnt got over into the festival/shopping area.  i spent all day sunday
sitting out on the mall watching the rally and listening to the
speakers/performers.   there were plenty of food and beverage(both
non-alcohol and alcoholic) booths out there.

for me this was similar to 93 except this year the presentation was much
better and i had my dog with me and i met a ton of people from all over the
us because he is so cute   :)  there was also alot more going on this year
with the festival/shopping area, the rally on the mall, organized street
dances, the concert at rfk and a kid's area.  there just didnt seem like
enough time to do everything before the weekend ended.

<< i just feel  that it could have happened next year, it could have been
more inclusive, it coulda, it shoulda... >>

why would you want to have the rally after the election???   we go to the
polls in november, next year is too late.

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am i mistaken, or was the big lilith cover last summer "peace train"?
i don't really remember, because at the time i didn't know too much cat
stevens (only the stuff in harold and maude :)  )
now i know more....
anyway
so they were in there a little if they did do it....
carol
(who'd love to have a copy of the boots from the 3 columbus lfs)

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i bet the hrc *really* felt that boycott!
ig have been in dc for the last 2 weekends- earth day and wto protests....
but *not* for this.  i hope they made that clear...that they don't like hrc
policy.
maybe the hrc learned something?
carol


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doesn't seem particularly surprising to me... they've both been pretty
vocal about having lots of problems with human rights campaign, for
supporting anti-woman, anti-choice politicians, among other things.  since
the march and assoc. concert were organized largely by hrc i would have
never expected the girls to be there...

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<< i just feel  that it could have happened next year, it could have been
more inclusive, it coulda, it shoulda... >>

why would you want to have the rally after the election???   we go to the
polls in november, next year is too late.

~~~~

alas, i was not there. on saturday, i was doing my own very grass roots gay
activism -  in the grass. my university celebrated it's own version of mardi
gras last weekend, aka spring weekend, where everyone hangs out on the south
lawn and drinks _a lot_. the unrecognised lgbt rights group on campus, group,
was out there doing face painting for a dollar and generally trying to get in
trouble, which we didn't, and make money, which we did. (44 bucks! wahoo!) so
i entirely missed the concert webcast or the tv coverage. no guilt...
anyway....

on sunday, i sat around and watched cspan (or whatever is was) cover the rally
with my roommate. it was inspiring, saddening, fun, musical... and political.
actually, blatantly democrat. everybody was extremely pro-gore, witch to me
seemed like the entire point of the march (expressed or not) - to rally a a
gay block vote for the democrats. i can't say if it bothered me or not, but i
am fairly sure that the log cabin republicans were not at all happy.

yes, i know that voting bush into office would be a huge setback for the
movement at large. there was still something that i can't quite put my finger
on that i didn't like that in the rally that gave it the tone of a gay
democratic convention.

the rally was hugely important, and i am not denying that, but did anyone else
experience anything like i did? just curious.

back to lurkdom i go i go,
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all i can say is at the '93 march everything was "free" the entertainment
included.  so tell me why the concert tix were 35-200 bucks(and we know where
the 35 tix were located) and they were charging a $5.00 admission fee to get
into the festival area!!!!!   does that tell you why amy and emily were not
there??    hrc sounds very corporate and money making to me!!!!

peace
sandy

ps i don't think being on tour stopped ig from being there.  in 93, i think
they came from chicago(4-24-93) to be there in dc on 4-25-93.  they were only
in nc last weekend!!!!

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a few thoughts:

i couldn't be at the march on sunday, but i was in dc on saturday.  i too
thought it was completely heinous that the information about all the
non-profit orgs was inside an area you had to pay to get in.  what was
worse, i was halfway deciding to bag my school group meeting on sunday and
drive back to dc for the march the next day, and it was no lie - like - 10
booths before i got to someone who could even tell me what time people were
meeting to march and where.  and after standing in an ungodly line for a $4
cup of lemonade, i was told i had to buy food/beverage tickets at a
different booth - which you had to buy a minimum of $5 worth.  who put on
the festival?  hrc?  does anyone even know where that money is going?  i
mean, it would have at least been nice to have been told 'proceeds go
to________' or whatever.  i mean, i guess if it goes to a cause i'd support,
it's good, but i'd have liked to have known what the cause was, in advance.

other than that however, i thought the activity on the mall - the mass
wedding at the lincoln memorial, and the unfolding of the new panels of the
aids quilt being the 2 that i caught, were well-done.  walking back past the
reflection pool after the wedding, i was boo-hooing my head off, and my
girlfriend asked if i was okay - i told her, i just had this enormous sense
of me too!  i wanted to walk up to everyone around me and say - me too!!!
because being from richmond, we just see nobody gay and out.  and only see
anyone gay if we go to the one little dinky bar we have here in town.  and
for me it was completely overwhelming just the sheer numbers of people like
me, holding hands with their girlfriends/boyfriends.  and not just butch
women either - and i make this point because i've always felt a double sense
of isolation, because almost all the girls at the bar, and for the most
part, at ig concerts that i have been to, that are way out, are butch, and
hard as i try, i just look like a girly-girl trying to be butch - and in dc,
there were all physical types, all colors, all cultures, all represented,
and i just bawled my fool head off over the feeling of it all.

and the concert, from a purely entertainment standpoint, was great.  poorly
organized at the start, but making up for it once they began, it was worth
the money to see the following:  ellen stand there for a long, long, long
round of applause and just cry - it was moving, people just wouldn't stop
cheering, and while you were looking at her, just thinking about the
importance of what she had done, and what it had meant to all of us, it was
very very touching.  and then later, anne coming out and getting teary
because of our reaction to ellen, was so cute.  melissa etheridge singing
with pet shop boys on what have i done to deserve this - i mean, who'd have
thought she'd come out and start singing the "since you went away...." part?
and my absolute favorite part of the night - garth brooks joining george
michael singing 'freedom'.  you just haven't lived until you've seen that.
:)  most of the between-the-entertainers little hrc commercials that they
showed on the big screens were cheesy, but some were educational and
informative.  of course, it's not like they weren't preaching to the choir.

i have a question about hrc - ryan, maybe you can answer?  everyone is
posting about their endorsement of anti-woman, anti-choice candidates.  who
were the candidates, and what was the nature of their being anti-woman,
anti-choice?  and if this was the case, why did hrc support them?  they must
have had a reason - maybe the lesser of two evils in those certain
circumstances?  i'd just like to know the facts, and i doubt, from what i'm
hearing, that i'll get the low-down on the hrc website.  after this weekend,
and learning about all the good causes that hrc does support, i find myself,
at best, confused over the whole issue.

in the middle of the concert saturday night, george michael stopped his show
and they put a little documentary on the screens about straight-programming
'clinics' that use shock therapy (on your privates - geez).  george said
that 40,000 g&l kids in the united states are being sent to these places by
their parents, and a few are running away when they can.  it was just a
tragic story, and i'm wondering if anyone has any information about this, or
if his numbers are correct and where they come from.

i guess that's it for my meanderings.  oh, except i ended the day getting
motion sick on the metro.  that's a long ride from the stadium to northern
va on the blue line.  fortunately, i hopped off before yacking on my
girlfriend.  she was pretty happy about that too, and would have been in the
line of fire.  you know, one minute we're talking melissa etheridge, and the
next it was like, i have to get off right now.   (just a little comic relief
in the midst of all the seriousness.)

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i'll leave you with that thought....

:)

tara

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hey all,

i was at the march too.  and wnet into it with mixed feelings, and i
left with mixed feelings.  part of me did feel that this was corporate
move on the part of hrc and agreed with the indigo girls' decision not
to go.  they were right, the $5 mandatory "donation" was nothing short
of ridiculous, and everywhere you turned there was all this corporate
bs going on.  i went to "equality rocks" as well, and between acts they
even showed us *advertising* for hrc.

but, the good news as far as i'm concerned is that they greatly
underestimated our numbers.  they were expecting 300,000 and the dc
paper said there were close to a million when all was said and done.
that's a million voters, a million people who's voices effectively
squashed a couple dozen or so phelps protestors everywhere we went.
that's a million americans who are proud of who they are and came to dc
to show it.  and that was very inspiring.  considering this rally was
protested by so many, imagine how many people could have been there if
this had been done better.

people for the most part are right when they say that the march was
"too white" or "too corporate" etc.  however, everyone that i ran into
was having a great time.  we'd complain for a few minutes about the
organization and then move on to being friendly and enjoying
eachother's company.  it was a slice of life in a tolerant world and i
was at once humbled and exhilarated by it.

so yeah, i may complain about some things, but i'll remember this march
as a positive step in the right direction.

cheers,

jean


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> all i can say is at the '93 march everything was "free" the
> entertainment
> included.  so tell me why the concert tix were 35-200 bucks(and we
> know where
> the 35 tix were located) and they were charging a $5.00 admission fee
> to get
> into the festival area!!!!!   does that tell you why amy and emily
> were not
> there??    hrc sounds very corporate and money making to me!!!!
>
> peace
> sandy
>
> ps i don't think being on tour stopped ig from being there.  in 93, i
> think
> they came from chicago(4-24-93) to be there in dc on 4-25-93.  they
> were only
> in nc last weekend!!!!
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<< all i can say is at the '93 march everything was "free" the entertainment
included.  so tell me why the concert tix were 35-200 bucks(and we know where
the 35 tix were located) and they were charging a $5.00 admission fee to get
into the festival area!!!!!   does that tell you why amy and emily were not
there??    hrc sounds very corporate and money making to me!!!! >>


food wasnt free in 93.  the rally was free and people performed just like in
93 for free.  no one paid to attend the march/rally on the mall which is
where amy and emily performed in 93.  the concert was the night before and
not part of the march/rally and was expressly advertised as a fundraiser.
there were many fundraisers going on all weekend.  equality rocks was just
the largest of them.   and like i said i didnt go into the festival/shopping
area cause there was so much to do for free on the mall.   hrc more coporate?
you bet.  that's what they do.  they are an organization that raises money
and then uses it to help queer/queer friendly folks get elected.  are they
perfect?    no.  but thats much better than the alternative.

indi

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in a message dated 5/2/00 9:29:11 am eastern daylight time,
sneakyjean@yahoo.com writes:

<< people for the most part are right when they say that the march was
"too white" or "too corporate" etc.  however, everyone that i ran into
was having a great time.  we'd complain for a few minutes about the
organization and then move on to being friendly and enjoying
eachother's company.  it was a slice of life in a tolerant world and i
was at once humbled and exhilarated by it.

so yeah, i may complain about some things, but i'll remember this march
as a positive step in the right direction. >>


yep,    the march was definitely not perfect but i imagine it must be a b*tch
to try and organize an event to which no one rsvps.  i'll remember all the
people i met.  everyone was so friendly.  my room mate and i ran into a
couple on fri night from miami and we all clicked and they were able to get a
room in our hotel and we spent the weekend meeting for dinner, the rally etc.
i met a lady in the swimming pool from kansas who came with 3 friends.  two
guys in front of us at equality rocks were from manhattan and been together 6
years.  two women next to us were from south carolina and together 4 years.
at the rally my next door neighbor's sister and her gf ended up sitting next
to us.  we had never met.  i could go on and on.  it was truly a tremendous
experience.  i remember driving home in 93 and feeling so inspired and
rejuvenated.  i had the same feeling as i drove home yesterday.

indi

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there's a quick blurb in the latest advocate (the boy
band issue:) about luscious jackson's break-up.  kate
schellenbach says her upcoming plans are to play drums
on amy's solo album!  she's also playing for her
girlfriend's band, dusty trails ~ anyone heard them
before?  i'm curious.
back to the term paper grindstone while grooving to
melissa ferrick,
:)carrie

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>
> why would you want to have the rally after the election???   we go to the
> polls in november, next year is too late.
>
> indi
>
if you look at the other years that they held marches, you will notice that
not one of them was during an election year. on purpose. the community
didn't want to take money away from the grassroots voter education and voter
registration efforts.   nothing was said or done that would change george w.
's mind or his stance. the indigo girls try their best to stand up for the
grassroots organizers. hrc *is* the biggest and wealthiest gay lobby, but
they often do not represent the community they purport to represent. they
want us all to be wealthy and white and mainstream. they want the world (and
the government,  and their sponsors) to see us as wealthy and young and
white and mainstream. that way, they get more sponsors. and guess what? the
poor people couldn't afford to march. they can't afford to go to the
$1000/plate dinners and twist the ears of the people who "represent" them. i
live below the poverty line (and sinking by the minute, since i am making
myself late for work by writing this). i couldn't have afforded to go if i
didn't live where i do. i wouldn't have bothered to go if i didn't live
here, either. whether because of the boycott or personal reasons, the poor,
non-white, and older folks were severely underrepresented.
the march answered to its sponsors, not to the people. unlike every other
march, they did not have a political agenda. they didn't even have a mission
statement: they had a marketing slogan. sure, they decided to spread a lot
of love for gore...but did you see anybody registering voters? i didn't - if
they were there, i take this comment back. but if they were inside the
festival, it stands.

i'm glad if it made you feel empowered - honestly. how could it not? it
*was* fun, being in a sea of glbt people and their allies. it *was*
empowering, to be completely out and completely without fear for a  few
hours - just like a big pride festival.  but it was not all that politically
useful, and it did not represent the community as a whole.

i would be happy to continue this discussion in private e-mail -sorry to
those of you who aren't interested in this issue.
sarah
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i found a danielle howle cd at the used cd store in town and bought it....alas, i do not
appreciate her as much as you all and now i wanted to know if any of you guys would like it? i
just want $6 to cover what i paid for the cd----i will cover shipping. the cd's title is: live
at mckissick museum....and it is in good shape.

later, meg

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regarding the girls stance on hrc, this comes from an
amy comment in the march 2000 issue of girlfriends.
all typos are mine, taken without permission.  i
remember this article being posted when the issue
first came out, but here's a refresher excerpt. hope
this helps tara.

girlfriends:  don't you think the hrc has a lot more
political leverage than the ngltf?

amy:  what does it matter if they have leverage if
they're supporting candidates that are antichoice and
antiwomen?  [the hrc endorsed conservative alfonse
d'amato in the 1998 ny senate race.] i just don't
agree with them.  i think they really screwed up.

. . .
emily: but clearly, the hrc does important work. i
wanna be clear about that.
girlfriends: don't worry, i'm not going to slam hrc in
your name.
amy: you can slam them in my name, i don't care.  i'm
so mad at them about the candidate issue in ny.
emily:  well don't slam them in my name. the gay
community gets so feisty about that.  "you said this
about us."  it's just bullshit.
amy: but you have to criticize groups you don't think
live up to the goals of the community.  it only helps
the hrc when you say "you can't be supporting
candidates that are antimwoman."  and if you want to
do it, i'm not gonig to support you.  that's it.  it's
nothing personal.  it's not a gossipy gay issue.

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i generally stay out of things like this but this march meant so much to me
that i had to speak.  i understand all points of view here but i must agree
with indigokat.  i was dissapointed not to see them there as well. i realize
that they have their issues but not all organizations are perfect. what indi
said was right someone had to put it on. i don't think that any other
organization had the power, the resources or the name to put such an event
on.  i am all about having beliefs and sticking to them, but i think there
comes a time where you have to get past the political bullsh*t for a minute
and stand up for what is right.  i saw people at the march who came in
support of the gay issues wearing shirts that had the hrc equal sign on it
with a big red line through it.  they came in support of what they did
believe in, not what they didnt.  the ig should have looked at the big scope
of what this weekend was about and not been so focused on politics.
now..will they lose any fans by not being there?..probably not, will they
lose any respect...maybe...they are a postive voice for the gay community,
and it would have been nice to have had them there in support of that.

just my .02 cents

carla

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subject:      by chance does that soc addy have the not-be-complacent too?

check it out ;)

jude :)

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hello all,

has anyone heard anything about this show?  i called the summerstage
info number, and it was still about 99.

nancy

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i too am looking for this...i checked the soc addy and didn't see it
there....but i was in a hurry, so it doesn't mean it's not there for sure.
so if anyone knows...i would appreciate finding out.  thanks....trish

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the schedule is officially being released in late may/first of june. tickets
probably soon after, i would guess. these night summerstage shows tend to be
kind of pricey, in the nabe of $40.
>
>has anyone heard anything about this show?  i called the summerstage
>info number, and it was still about 99.
>
>nancy
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date:         tue, 2 may 2000 12:43:57 -0400
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http://www.villagevoice.com/features/9843/solomon.shtml

http://www.hrc.org/hrc/hrcnews/1998/981021.txt
after a long search, i found these 2 good articles which explain hrc's
stance, and d'amato's past actions, beneficial and detrimental.  at that
point in time, hrc was following a long-standing policy of supporting
incumbents who had made significant contributions to the gay rights
movement.  they knew that the stance would be controversial, but stood up
for someone who had been an ally, and didn't want to throw support at a
newcomer, even though he was more in politically in line with the ideals of
the hrc.  it was a tough decision no doubt.  i have found articles that say
that in 99, hrc was supposed to look at new alternatives to that particular
candidate endorsement policy, but haven't found anything official about how
they may have changed it.

i think the main point they were trying to make was that if a republican
supported gay rights issues, they could count on hrc for support.  which
isn't necessarily a bad thing.  every minority knows that it can only gain
solid ground through the sympathies of the majority, and in some cases, the
majority is conservative and republican.

my .02.

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tickets for todd rundgren, indigo girls, and tragically hip will only be
sold at ticketmaster on may 6. tickets for these concerts will be also
be available at the zoo on thursday, may 18 from 12:00 noon - 7:00
p.m. in person only. no phone sales will be accepted.


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ok y'all -

anyone who taped the march and got martina on tape please please please
e-mail me... i didn't get to tape c-span this time around so i missed it..
also, was any of the concert televised??

info please :)
lisa

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subject:      one more flag thing

i am sitting here reading the "southern exposure" magazine during my lunch break because the cover of it has a story in it about southern gays and lesbians leading a new movement - and in the mag is a story detailing many things said about the flag over sc already but the thing that made me want to write this email is that many on the list have written that the flag went up over the capitol in response to the civil rights movement.  this article is very pro-naacp and it's talking to this man who was on this commission for the state of sc in its observance of the 100th anniversary of the civil war - and one of the commissions activities to remember the centennial of the war was to put the flag on top of the sc capitol building.  it actually occurred in 1961, but the resolution wasn't passed until 1962. in the resolution, it wasn't stated how long the flag would fly above the capitol and that's why it still flies.

so, from this article, it refutes the theory several on the list have that it was erected in response to the civil rights movement - this article clearly and fairly articulates that the flag was erected in remembrance of the 100th year anniversary of the war.

just thought some of you may be interested.

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hi! i, too, missed the march, both in person and on tv. :( does anyone
know if there are plans to re-air it again?
jess

"sometimes i ask to sneak a closer look, skip to the final chapter of the
book. and then maybe steer us clear from some of the pain it took to get
us where we are this far. but the question drowns in its futility, and
even i have got to laugh at me. no one gets to miss the storm of what will
be, just holding on for the ride." "wood song" indigo girls

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just thought id post a little tid bit news summary of the march.


      huge rally in d.c. for equal rights for gays
a crowd estimated at anywhere from tens of thousands to
hundreds of thousands of people turned out in washington,
d.c. sunday to demonstrate for equal rights for gays,
lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered people. the
"millennium march on washington for equality" featured a
march past the washington monument and several speeches by
celebrities and activists at the national mall. tennis
legend martina navratilova told the crowd: "this is not
about special rights, it's about equality. if i marry a
woman, how does that affect anyone else?" comic actress
ellen degeneres and her partner, actress anne heche, also
marched in the rally -- the first march on the mall for
gay rights in seven years. on saturday, more than 3,000
couples took part in a same-gender marriage ceremony at the
lincoln memorial. 2000 is shaping up as a test of the
political power of the increasingly powerful gay community
which intends to push for tougher hate crime legislation
in every state.
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hkf's,

got this from another list and think it would be really helpful to any
beginners out there who what to get some music via b&p.  pictures and all!

http://www.mcnichol.com/bnp/

a+e=ig

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hkf's,

06/28/00 cedar rapids, ia  paramount theatre
on sale: 05/05/00 - 10:00am  (319)363-1888 (local tm)

my site should be up to date with everything else - let me/us know if there
are any new updates!  thanks!!!

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hey all. i was trying not to post on this issue cuz i already kinda did a
while back and i have a heck of time being consise. however, im gonna try!!

i have read all the posts so far on this march, and it sounds like all in
all it was a really really great event. it was acutally an historic event
and very much publisised. when i saw the brief clip of it on the news while
i was chanell surffing, i also said 'me too!!' i was not able to attend, but
if i could have, i would've in a heart beat.

heres my thing! almost (key word being almost)every single group/
organziation is imperfect. we are all humans, even our girls. most
organizations, no matter how pure the intent or ideals, end up comprimising
certian things to get the bigger idea accross. there are very few standards,
religions, political voices, etc. in which i can say i support blindly
and/or  agree 100% period. (im glad i dont, actually, as i think for me that
would be almost zombie like.)

if  i did not support a group/political preson etc. b/c their was an
imperfection or somthing i thought to be "wrong" (to an extant)i would never
support or endorse anyone! if i feel that, on the whole, the message that is
trying to get across overall was one in which i supported, that to me its
worth supporting.

for example, i am catholic. however, w/ in catholicism there are some issues
i that i have and, contrary to popluar belief except for certain "musts", i
am free to live my life the way i see fit. it would be very easy for me to
be ashamed or have miss givings about being catholic, but on the whole, the
message of love, forgivness, and a god that does not judge is one in which i
strongly believe in and support,   and i believe the whole message is enough
for me to be proud. not satisfied, but proud!

i dont even know if that scenario makes sense to anyone, but i know what i
mean!! :) hehe:) i had no idea that there were so many issues w/ in the hrc.
i am not transgender/transexual, but i can only imagine how hurtful and/or
angering it must be to have this orinization fully embrace mainly the
gay/lesbian sector of this community, and not the remaining members of our
community. for me though, i know that unfortunatly anyone/group "different"
will be accepted slower than those who are not. for example,i feel that w/
out the womens movement and women trying to get accepted and equality which
we rightly deserve, us who are lesbians would have much more difficult time
than we do. ------grrrrr...i get so mixed up sometimes. its hard to type all
of what im tying to say.----- basically on this point im sayin that there
are minorities w/ in minorities and in this unjust world sometimes we have
(i have) to be greatful for anything i get, while conitinuing to fight for
that minority w/in. im not sayin i should be satisfied that if gays/lesbians
get recognized than it doesnt matter if transgender/transexuals get
recognized, rather i choose to see the progress and see that as hope for
more progress.

grrrrrr.....im not getting my point across. i dont know all there is to know
about the hrc, but im sure there are serious concerns that must be
addressed. however, i don't think that everyone goin to the mm and concert
were under the impression that they were at a rally for the hrc, rather for
the unity and strength for all of us in this glbt community. hrc sponsored
it, and in the real world, things cost money, and to get that money groups
have to comprimise and do certain things.(this is not an excuse but a fact)
even w/ all the issues goin on in the hrc, i think that the main message (at
least the one that media has given us) is a very good one overall and for me
its completly worth supporting!! if i do have issues, i'll still support it
but get my hands in there some way and try to make some changes. i would not
abanded it all together. it has accomplished many things that few wouldve
dreamed about twenty years ago.

anyway, in a nut shell, 1 million gays/lesbians/transgender/transexuals
people together in a very visible place showing unity was a remarkable
event! if this world was perfect we'd all agree on everything, period. thats
not the case! however, be it for or agaisnt hrc, this even would not have
been possible w/ out their sponsorship.

i really hope no one took anything i wrote as an insult or attack. everyone
is entitled to their own convictions. my views are just that and i dont try
to put them on anyone else. i appreciate the honesty here and i would love
more info on the "issues" (how many times did i use that word!) w/ in hrc as
i hate being ignorant. thanks to everyone for listenin/readin if you got
this far!! see, i cant be consise! grrrrrrrrr!!

btw, just checked out an mp3 of the song "cortez the killer" by our girls
and it was, of course, awsome!! never heard of it! also just got to hear
along the watchtower for the first time!! and i must say i love sarah
mcclaughlin sigin w/ our girls!! have a superific day!!

laterz all!
cara


>from: jean moses <sneakyjean@yahoo.com>
>reply-to: jean moses <sneakyjean@yahoo.com>
>to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
>subject: re: the march, the festival, the merchandising opportunity
>date: tue, 2 may 2000 06:27:43 -0700
>
>hey all,
>
>i was at the march too.  and wnet into it with mixed feelings, and i
>left with mixed feelings.  part of me did feel that this was corporate
>move on the part of hrc and agreed with the indigo girls' decision not
>to go.  they were right, the $5 mandatory "donation" was nothing short
>of ridiculous, and everywhere you turned there was all this corporate
>bs going on.  i went to "equality rocks" as well, and between acts they
>even showed us *advertising* for hrc.
>
>but, the good news as far as i'm concerned is that they greatly
>underestimated our numbers.  they were expecting 300,000 and the dc
>paper said there were close to a million when all was said and done.
>that's a million voters, a million people who's voices effectively
>squashed a couple dozen or so phelps protestors everywhere we went.
>that's a million americans who are proud of who they are and came to dc
>to show it.  and that was very inspiring.  considering this rally was
>protested by so many, imagine how many people could have been there if
>this had been done better.
>
>people for the most part are right when they say that the march was
>"too white" or "too corporate" etc.  however, everyone that i ran into
>was having a great time.  we'd complain for a few minutes about the
>organization and then move on to being friendly and enjoying
>eachother's company.  it was a slice of life in a tolerant world and i
>was at once humbled and exhilarated by it.
>
>so yeah, i may complain about some things, but i'll remember this march
>as a positive step in the right direction.
>
>cheers,
>
>jean
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- mgsb@aol.com wrote:
> > all i can say is at the '93 march everything was "free" the
> > entertainment
> > included.  so tell me why the concert tix were 35-200 bucks(and we
> > know where
> > the 35 tix were located) and they were charging a $5.00 admission fee
> > to get
> > into the festival area!!!!!   does that tell you why amy and emily
> > were not
> > there??    hrc sounds very corporate and money making to me!!!!
> >
> > peace
> > sandy
> >
> > ps i don't think being on tour stopped ig from being there.  in 93, i
> > think
> > they came from chicago(4-24-93) to be there in dc on 4-25-93.  they
> > were only
> > in nc last weekend!!!!
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hey all,

along these lines i would very much like to get anything on video tape
that was broadcast from the march, the concert, the rally or a really
good news program, whatever.  my family is still struggling with my
sexuality (but making progress, i'm proud of the way their thinking has
changed in the last 6 months) and my mother missed all the coverage.
she'd like to see what it was all about, amd especially see the
concert.

any help would be appreciated!

thanks,

jean

--- jess <indigojk@shell.olg.com> wrote:
> hi! i, too, missed the march, both in person and on tv. :( does
> anyone
> know if there are plans to re-air it again?
> jess
>
> "sometimes i ask to sneak a closer look, skip to the final chapter of
> the
> book. and then maybe steer us clear from some of the pain it took to
> get
> us where we are this far. but the question drowns in its futility,
> and
> even i have got to laugh at me. no one gets to miss the storm of what
> will
> be, just holding on for the ride." "wood song" indigo girls
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videos of the march can be bought from c-span.org.  i think you can get the
whole march and rally for $60, and it's like over 6 hours of footage.

here's the link, which has a list of the speakers:
http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/cspan.csp?command=dprogram&recor
d=149609611

        t.

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here is one of the best things i've read about the mmow so far.  for me, this
sums up what the mmow should be about, whether it was or not is for another
discussion.

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a poem for the millennium march
written and read by keith boykin

i speak today
as one black gay man

i speak because
barbara jordan
langston hughes, and
the reverend james cleveland
could not speak

i speak for myself,
but i also speak for my uncle,
a black gay man
who could not be here
because he was murdered in his own bedroom

i speak to stop the violence
from wyoming to alabama
and all points in between,
and yes, in texas and new york as well

i speak to tell
george w. bush and rudy giuliani
not to pack your bags for washington
because you will not be living here next year

i speak knowing that
the right-wing may vilify me,
closeted gay men may deny me
and religious demagogues may decry me

i speak to tell jesse helms,
and trent lott,
and strom thurmond,
your days of division are numbered

i speak because
two homosexuals who share their lives together
deserve at least the same rights
as two heterosexual strangers who met last night on prime time tv

i speak because
james baldwin
lorraine hansberry
bayard rustin
audre lorde
glen burke
simon nkoli, and
bessie smith
could not be here

i speak as a member of the family
because there are problems in the family
that cannot be healed
by sweeping them under the sterilized, sanitized rug
of homogenized homosexuality

i speak because
martin luther king
and huey newton
would support my cause

i speak to resist
the commercialization
and commodification
of a mainstream "gay lifestyle"
that enriches a privileged few
and impoverishes the masses
with a bankrupt culture of uniformity

i speak because
alain locke
joe beam
essex hemphill
mickey fleming
greg hutchings
assoto saint
craig harris, and
alvin ailey
could not be here

i speak because
two people sitting in a hotel room
should not be able to dictate
the entire lesbigaytrans agenda

i speak because
sojourner truth
harriet tubman
malcolm x, and
frederick douglass
have taught me the value of struggle

i speak because
our community has a right to know
how decisions are made,
and a responsibility
to hold our leaders accountable

i speak because
patrick kelly
willi smith
joan fountain
countee cullen
josephine baker
mel boozer, and
marlon riggs
could not be here

i speak so that
my silence will not be interpreted as complicity,
my concerns not discarded dismissively,
and my thoughts not represented simplistically

i speak because
coretta scott king
cornel west
jesse jackson, and
nelson mandela
have uplifted me

i speak because
my sheroes and heroes
and other good people of conscience
have chosen not to speak

i speak to give voice
to their concerns

i speak because,
like fannie lou hamer,
i'm sick and tired
of being sick and tired

i speak to remind you, and myself, that  i can
hold my lover's hand
in anacostia or harlem or south central or oakland
if i choose to,
and i am not always found
in dupont circle or christopher street or santa monica boulevard or the
castro

i speak to honor
me'shell ndege'ocello
ruth ellis
jewelle gomez
ruth waters
carl bean
e. lynn harris
george bellinger
marjorie hill
carlene cheatam
maurice franklin
kofi adoma, and
peter gomes
for blazing a path
in which i could follow

i speak because
not all blacks are straight,
and not all gays are white

i speak to honor
mandy carter
nadine smith
cleo manago
barbara smith
james earl hardy
phill wilson
ron simmons
alvin quamina, and
kevin mcgruder

i speak so that you will ask
why these people are not on this stage

i speak to honor
rupaul
sapphire
bill t. jones
ken reeves
george c. wolfe
alice walker
june jordan. and
phill reed

i speak so that
the presence of people of color
will not be tokenized
and the absence of people of color
will not be trivialized

i speak to honor
sabrina sojourner
samuel delany
angela davis
jaye davidson
cheryl clarke, and
nona hendryx

i speak to enter these names
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indelibly in the record books
of this gathering

i speak because
audre lorde warns that
my silence will not protect me
any more from the anti-gay forces
than it will from the anti-black forces

i speak to stand up
for the millions
of brothas and sistahs
whose area codes do not begin
with 202, 212, 213, or 415

i speak because
aids is not over,
in america or africa,
despite what the privileged elite may write,
that people of color are at greater risk than ever,
and that now is not the time to turn our backs on this disease

i speak so that
black gays and lesbians
can create our own organizations
to support our own needs
without having to answer the tired old question
why are we "separating ourselves?"

i speak because your priorities
are not always our priorities,
but all of our priorities are important
and should not be casually dismissed

i speak because
affirmative action
and racial profiling
are part of my agenda

i speak so that
a black family can get a home loan
and a black man can simply get home,
alone, without getting arrested

i speak because
i cannot stand the word "queer"
and feel excluded from the word "gay"

i speak so that black leaders
will not forget us
and gay leaders
will finally learn to work with us

i speak so that
white gays
and straight blacks
will no longer make decisions
that affect us
without including us

i speak in a culture
that devalues our love
to say that the act of self-love
is an act of revolution in itself

i speak to declare
that black men loving black men
is no longer a revolutionary act
but an everyday thing

i speak to tell you
that i refuse to be
the only black person
in any meeting,
at any time,
at any point
ever again

i speak so i can get a taxicab
not just when i leave this stage,
but when i leave the white house
or leave your house, after a fabulous affair,
or any house on any street,
that i will not be judged by the color of my skin

i speak because
alice walker reminds me
that no person is your friend
who demands your silence
or denies your right to grow

i speak because
nobody else can speak for me
but me

i speak to help
repair the breach
that has divided us
black from white
straight from gay
male from female

i speak to help
repair the breach
that has excluded the voices
of youth and seniors,
the poor and middle class,
bisexuals, and transgendered people,
people with disabilities,
and all people of color

i speak with hope
because dr. king reminds me
that only when it is dark enough
can you see the stars

i speak so that
dennis rodman can wear a wedding dress,
that carl lewis can pose in track shorts and high heels,
and that little richard can simply be himself

i speak so that
the famous rappers and runners and writers
and hip hop heroes
on the dl
may one day decide
to speak as well

i speak so that
all black lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgendered teenagers
will one day be allowed
to live peaceably in their own family homes

i speak because
we must broaden the movement
to see the intersection of
race, gender, class, religion, sexuality, and ethnicity

i speak not to get
my place at the table
but to demand a whole new table arrangement
that welcomes all those who have been excluded

i speak not to gain privilege
but to challenge the whole concept
of privilege itself

i speak to invoke the lessons of
rodney king,
abner louima,
amadou diallo
james byrd, and
patrick dorismond
lest they be forgotten
or thought to pertain strictly
to some other march

i speak because
we cannot prevail
against the prop 22s
if we do not also fight
the prop 187s and prop 209s

i speak because
june jordan tells me
that freedom is indivisible
or it is nothing at all
besides sloganeer-ing
and temporary,
short-sighted,
and short-lived
advancement for a few

i speak to say, unequivocally, once and for all,
that blacks and gays are not the same,
that racism is not the same as homophobia,
and that the civil rights struggles are not identical

i speak because
it matters not
which group is most oppressed,
or which was first oppressed,
or whether they are identically oppressed.
what matters is that no group or class of people
should be oppressed

i speak to remind you
that this march will soon be forgotten
if we do not take action
in our own lives
in our own communities

i speak in the hope
that this gathering
will not become
just another circuit party
and that real people
may learn real lessons here

i speak to shine the light
in internet chat rooms,
online clubs,
glbpoc listserves,
and lgbt email chains

i speak because
the personal is political
every time we are not ashamed,
to go beyond our boundaries,
to express our love,
to come out,
to volunteer,
to make a donation,
to write a letter,
to forward an email,
to register to vote,
or simply to speak

finally, i speak to offer a choice
between fear and love

i speak because
fear is negativity,
scarcity,
and
falsity

i speak because
love is positivity,
abundance,
and
truth

i speak because
fear is unnatural and learned
and love is natural and innate

i speak so that
my faith may be used as a tool for love,
and not a weapon of hate

i speak because
i refuse to worship
at the altar
of religious bigotry
and self-righteous piety

i speak to pray
for pat robertson and jerry falwell
that they may learn
the true meaning of unconditional love

i speak so that
one more black gay man or woman may find the courage
to rise up in church today and challenge a minister
who spews out the vicious bile of religious-based homophobia

i speak so that
angie and debbie
and alveda and reggie
may one day understand
that god is love
and love is for everyone

i speak because
i have no power to make these dreams happen
unless someone, somewhere hears these words as her own
and decides to act

i speak
as a proud african-american
same-gender-loving
christian-identified man
unashamed of who i am
unwilling to be divided into identity camps, and
unbowed by the demons of hatred that would incite me
to fear instead of love.

i speak because audre lorde tells me,
"when i dare to be powerful,
to use my strength in the service of my vision,
then it becomes less and less important whether i am afraid."

i speak today
as one proud black gay man

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heheh!! they are so cute the kill me!! the two of them are like a family! i
just respect their honesty and admire them for indivually sticking up for
what they believe in!! it would be so easy for both of them to appear to
agree on every issue, but they don't!! i think that is so cool!! they dont
agree all the time 100%, but they completely respect eachother and i think
that should be an examply we can all follow!! have a good one!! amy kills
me!!!

cara


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>date: tue, 2 may 2000 07:39:12 -0700
>
>regarding the girls stance on hrc, this comes from an
>amy comment in the march 2000 issue of girlfriends.
>all typos are mine, taken without permission.  i
>remember this article being posted when the issue
>first came out, but here's a refresher excerpt. hope
>this helps tara.
>
>girlfriends:  don't you think the hrc has a lot more
>political leverage than the ngltf?
>
>amy:  what does it matter if they have leverage if
>they're supporting candidates that are antichoice and
>antiwomen?  [the hrc endorsed conservative alfonse
>d'amato in the 1998 ny senate race.] i just don't
>agree with them.  i think they really screwed up.
>
>  . . .
>emily: but clearly, the hrc does important work. i
>wanna be clear about that.
>girlfriends: don't worry, i'm not going to slam hrc in
>your name.
>amy: you can slam them in my name, i don't care.  i'm
>so mad at them about the candidate issue in ny.
>emily:  well don't slam them in my name. the gay
>community gets so feisty about that.  "you said this
>about us."  it's just bullshit.
>amy: but you have to criticize groups you don't think
>live up to the goals of the community.  it only helps
>the hrc when you say "you can't be supporting
>candidates that are antimwoman."  and if you want to
>do it, i'm not gonig to support you.  that's it.  it's
>nothing personal.  it's not a gossipy gay issue.
>
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hey all! for anyone how has or will be getting showtime, i thought id share
this wee bit of knowledge i aquired through my email news stuff!! totally
nigc, im sorry! i just get excited when i see "gay" issues, people, etc in
the news!

los angeles (billboard) - "queer as folk," the critically acclaimed and
controversial gay-themed british tv series, has
              officially crossed the pond. after almost seven months of
negotiations, showtime announced friday that it has ordered 22
              episodes, including a two-hour pilot, to premiere later this
year. the u.s. version will be faithful to the u.k. channel 4
              original and won't spare any of the graphic and explicit
scenes of homosexual sex for which the series has become notorious,
              sources said. even the title, which is a british
colloquialism, will be preserved. there will be a few changes, however. the
              story will be set in a city in the northeast, most probably
pittsburgh.

              in the british version, there are two main male characters in
their late 20s, and the boyfriend of one of them is a 15-year-old
              boy. in the united kingdom, the legal age of consent for sex
is 16, but in the united states it is 18, so the boy's age will be
              raised to 17. several supporting characters in the british
version will be brought forward, increasing the number of leading
              characters to between five and seven, including a lesbian
couple.

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>>the story will be set in a city in the northeast, most probably
pittsburgh.<<

what an interesting choice... why pittsburgh i wonder (or why not i
guess, huh?  <g>)

jean


--- cara klein <cowsrule52@hotmail.com> wrote:
> hey all! for anyone how has or will be getting showtime, i thought id
> share
> this wee bit of knowledge i aquired through my email news stuff!!
> totally
> nigc, im sorry! i just get excited when i see "gay" issues, people,
> etc in
> the news!
>
> los angeles (billboard) - "queer as folk," the critically acclaimed
> and
> controversial gay-themed british tv series, has
>               officially crossed the pond. after almost seven months
> of
> negotiations, showtime announced friday that it has ordered 22
>               episodes, including a two-hour pilot, to premiere later
> this
> year. the u.s. version will be faithful to the u.k. channel 4
>               original and won't spare any of the graphic and
> explicit
> scenes of homosexual sex for which the series has become notorious,
>               sources said. even the title, which is a british
> colloquialism, will be preserved. there will be a few changes,
> however. the
>               story will be set in a city in the northeast, most
> probably
> pittsburgh.
>
>               in the british version, there are two main male
> characters in
> their late 20s, and the boyfriend of one of them is a 15-year-old
>               boy. in the united kingdom, the legal age of consent
> for sex
> is 16, but in the united states it is 18, so the boy's age will be
>               raised to 17. several supporting characters in the
> british
> version will be brought forward, increasing the number of leading
>               characters to between five and seven, including a
> lesbian
> couple.
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<<los angeles (billboard) - "queer as folk," the critically
acclaimed and controversial gay-themed british tv series, has
officially crossed the pond.>>

aaaaaggggghhhhhh!!!

another quality comedy destined to be ruined by the
transatlantic translation...

just as long as they lay off father ted...

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<<hey y'all! glad to see so many cat stevens, jim croce, and simon and
garfunkel fans. i'm a young 'un (20 in 12 days), and i am always amazed and
saddened when people my age don't know about great musicians like that...i
guess i have to look to a crowd that's a little older (though not too much
older, i think) for other people who've heard of them.>>

hey!  no ya don't! i'm 14 and i love cat stevens!


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a little jess klein update:

jess klein's cd flattery (songs 93-95) is now available to everyone at
folkweb.com.  go there and order it, its totally worth having if only for the
last song, flirting.  the rest of the songs are great too, though.

jess's new cd on rykodisc/slow river, draw them near (official title just
decided upon!!) will be released on august 22nd.

and here are some upcoming tour dates, check musi-cal for more info on dates
and festivals jess is playing (including newport).  she is also opening a
bunch of dates for richard shindell coming up.

jess klein/bob hillman
thu, may 4th, 8pm
the point,  bryn mawr, pa
880 lancaster ave.   610-527-0988
http://www.atthepoint.com

jess klein/pamela means
fri, may 05  9:30pm
iron horse music hall,  northampton, ma
split bill show. call 413.586.8686 or 1800-the-tick for more info.

jess klein/oh susanna
thu, may 11
the point,  bryn mawr, pa
880 lancaster ave.   610-527-0988
http://www.atthepoint.com

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subject:      mmow, hrc and the queer community

i'm sure this is going to be thrown off the list soon... sooo... a couple of quick comments.

1. hrc called the march, but did not organize it.a separate board did. if you want to know more about them look at www.mmow.org or www.foranopenprocess.org

2. there were *not* 1 million queers there... not even close. the event was *much* smaller than 1993 (think 125,000 compared to closer to 500,000). and further more, despite what some might say, the march did not have to happen... it happened because a few individuals who have some power decided they wanted it, and set the ball rolling.

3. the "march" in mmow was a bit misleading. infact when originally organized there wasn't going to be a march. it was just going to be a rally. when the community finally figured that out the organizers were pressured into having a march. a march that, btw was on the middle of the mall... so much for taking it to the streets.

3. i find it ironic that those on the list who support amy and emily's criticisms of other organizations get testy about their reaction to hrc. frankly, i think everyone should take the time out to *really* look at what hrc does, all the good, and all the not so good.
feel free to email me if you need some ideas on where to start.

4. it is *my* opinion, and many others, that hrc and other organizations have historically been neither socially responsible nor accountable to the community.

5. did i mention the fact that you had to *pay* to get into the millenium festival and that it was fenced off. thank you, but i'd rather be at pride where way more people come and we arent caged in.

6. think about it... thousands of people sporting the hrc logo in the name of "equality" step back for a second and think about what that says about our society that we rally around "progressive social justice" through a corporate logo.

7. if you agree with any of the following, or are interested in trying to move the lgbt community to a more progresive and socially concious place, please email me:
katerw@virginia.edu

now on a positive note...

over 7,000 families attended the family garden. the biggest gathering of queer families ever!

i think the weekend was inspirational for those who were there, but it was completely different than any march on washington from before.

and i would like to point out that there is no one right opionion on all of this... and if the people on this list feel so strongly in any direction i encourage them to get involved locally to make this world a better place and to hold the queer community accountable just like we hold the rest of society accountable.

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>
> hey everybody,
>
> i just got back home last night! i've got some great
> stories... i didn't win
> the glama (luscious jackson took it home) but i got
> to
> see me'shell
> n'degeocello and she remembered singing "closer to
> fine" with me and the
> indigo
> girls at lilith fair so that was cool. ihad planned
> on
> taking it easy for a
> week or so but i got a call to do a show on:
>
> thursday may 4
> @ eddie's attic
> 515 b n. mcdounough
> w/ caroline aiken & diane durrett for the "women in
> rock" series....awesome
> night (diane is amazing and caroline is
> legendary!!!!)
> i couldn't pass up the
> opportunity to play with these women. hope to see
> you!
> 8pm/ $7 cover/ 21 and over
>
> also, athens folks i'll finally be at
> tasty world on e. broad st.
> may 16
> $3 cover/ 21 and over/ with the gentle readers
> fun fun fun
> (look for me at athfest 2000 in june too!)
>
> don't forget to go to daemon records to buy some
> cdds
> http://www.daemonrecords.com i'll be up on their
> site
> for one more week!!!
> *little note: people keep asking if i'm playing
> their
> 10 year anniversary
> tour
> and unfortunately the answer is no but you can
> always
> let daemon staffers
> know
> that you want to see me play. go to the message
> board
> and make your requests!
> ya' never know (stranger things have happened...)
>
> and "restoration" can also be bought at
> http://www.cdbaby/doria.com this is a
> cool little site and you might find some other
> musicians to add to your
> collection!
>
> official website up and running may 21!!!!!!!!
> http://www.doriaroberts.com is on it's way...
>
> that's all for now!
> peace out,
> doria
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the weekend "officially" started for me on friday night as a companion and
i rode the metro to our hotel.  at this point, i enjoyed the "humor" of a
group of straight individuals pantomiming a flirtatious moment b/w two
women and quipping about the "ooh, i'm going to the rally, too (giggle,
giggle : aren't we the funny breeders routine).  unbeknownst to them, they
had a coupla queers facing them who were indeed going to "the rally." and
weren't taking kindly to their sarcastic ("but we aren't being
homophobic") humor.

after a great nite of dancing at the hung jury, the morning of saturday
brought yet another interesting interchange of ideas.
while sitting at the hotel bar, enjoying my breakfast, i observe a waiter
apologizing to a couple of patrons for having to sit by the "sweet" group
of men.  now of course, the waiter did concede that "he's ok as long as
they don't try to touch him" because of course then he'd "never let them
back in." ahhh, once again that sarcastic ("but we aren't being
homophobic") humor.

but unlike my first observation of a homophobic joke, i did something. and
hopefully my speaking with the restaurant manager about her employee's
comments (especially considering the fact that over half of the hotel's
clientele were "sweet."), the gentlemen in question will be repromanded as
well as enlightened.

i did not participate in the equality rocks concert. not due to any
political statement or lack of finances, but rather a logistics issue.
however, upon reading all of the coverage (and in turn noticing the total
lack of real coverage about the march itself) i must have missed a doozy.
and in truth, it sounds like the concert was as much (if not more?) of a
rally than the actual rally. instead, it was another night of dancin and
drinkin for this old girl and her friends.

we did happen by the conclusion of the marriage ceremony and enjoyed the
bliss that hung in the air around the celebrants.

and then sunday: ah...sunday. my friends and i decided to actually march
instead of cheering on the sidelines, so we picked a contingent (pflag of
georgia, then pflag of ny, and back again). we were hoping for dykes on
bykes or an legit, or even pflag of north carolina (our home state), but
just couldn't locate them. so we finally settled on being "the random
group of marchers"

unlike other reviewers, i thoroughly enjoyed the speeches.  it was amazing
to actually hear the spoken words of many a historian, and activist that
i've read about since coming to terms with my own sexuality. but, perhaps
i was in the minority.

as a original participant of the stonewall riots was speaking, young glbt
celebrants were chatting it up.  as poets shared their experiences of
life, glbt celebrants were complaining about food lines.  as countless
leaders who were given their 2 minutes to speak at the conclusion of the
rally, most glbt celebrants were off at the festival or off at dinner.

don't get me wrong. i celebrated the heck outa the weekend. my knees are
killing me from dancing all three nights. (hello to all the ladies from
hung jury and the curve party!) but it really does sadden me to hear
phrases like "the concert rocked, but the speeches were boring." isn't
that what we were there for this weekend? has the gay rights movement
turned into a rock concert? should we give 15 minutes to artists and
actors and 2 minutes to leaders of groups such as genderpac and glbt youth
foundations?

i thoroughly enjoyed everything about this weekend. it opened my eyes to
areas within our community that i had not considered before. i met
interesting people and saw beautiful families. and as someone stated: "it
felt good to be in the majority."

-christy

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i know i already posted this, but would some kind person on this list, please
tell me where to find amy's statement / quote about...i will not be
complacent?  i wanted to use it and present it at one of my diversity classes
tomorrow, but can not find it.  any help asap, would be greatly appreciated...
thanks ---trish

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neil hunt wrote:
>
> <<los angeles (billboard) - "queer as folk," the critically
> acclaimed and controversial gay-themed british tv series, has
> officially crossed the pond.>>
>
> aaaaaggggghhhhhh!!!

actually, if it's going to be done on showtime, it'll probably be
quality television.  it's mostly the big 4 networks which screw things
up, pandering to the lowest common denominator.

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subject:      re: by chance does that soc addy have the not-be-complacent too?
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this wouldn't be the mini-soc amy did at the tabernacle in december would
it?

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is it possible to retrieve the list logs somehow?  i deleted the
messages i missed while out of town and i'd like to read them.  thanks.


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okay...weird that the showtime "queer as folk" e-mail went out today--as, my
best bud/soon to be roomie is looking for a vhs copy of the bbc show (we were
searching online this morning).  however, we can't seem to find it anywhere
other than in the pal format, which won't work in usa vcr's...

anyone have any idea where i can get my hands on one of these...i would love
to surprise him with a copy...bbc.com doesn't have it, and amazon.com only
has the pal format.....

anyhow....thanks!

claudia

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hey kind friends,

got a little bored and put the daemon records 10 year tour dates on my ig
tour page as well.  why?  we don't know if amy ray will play at these
functions, but on the daemon website she is listed in two places: once as
being the host and once in the list of artists for each show.  that leads me
to believe (imho) that she will indeed perform at these six shows.  (has
this been voiced already... i've been hitting my delete key real fast
lately)  and lastly, if there's any on sale info for these dates, including
details like price & all ages kind-of stuff and links, please let us/me
know.  thanks.

05/18/00 gainesville, fl  the pub in the fla theater
05/20/00 charlotte, nc  fat city
05/25/00 nashville, tn  12th and porter
05/26/00 atlanta, ga the  echo lounge
05/27/00 asheville, nc  be here now
05/28/00 chapel hill, nc  cat's cradle

http://daemonrecords.com/beta/10years/index.html

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here's where i got it:

http://www.rainbowvoice.net/personal/freud/inspiration.htm

here's what it says:

"i will walk down the street.  i will hold my head high.  i will say hello
to everyone i meet.  i will have love in my heart.  when i have hate, i will
turn my hate into energy. and when i have anger, i will turn my anger into
energy.  when i am negative, i will be negative only for as long as i need
to be, until i understand it and then i will be positive.  and i will not be
complacent.   and i will not be complacent.  and i will not be a racist.
and i will not be a sexist. and i will not be a homophobic asshole.  and i
will love.  and i will love.  and i will be happy that i am alive."

-- amy ray (indigo girls)


hope this is what you wanted.

always glad to help,
nancy

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according to the daemon webpage (i'm paraphrasing here): amy will
introduce the bands and play one song at the beginning.  then she'll be
jumping up and down to play, which should make for some interesting
improvisation opportunities.  also, the butchies (in asheville) back amy
on much of her solo album (hint, hint).


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and i think this may be the whole thing but i have no clue

once again here's where i got it:
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~ablipman/quotes3.html

specifically #1177 of a ton of really cool quotes

here's what it says:

"are you awake? yes, i am awake. can you get up? i can't get up. why can't
you? because i don't want to. why don't you want to? 'cause everything comes
down real hard. why does everything come down? because i let it. you let it?
i let it. you let it? i let it. can you learn this? i can learn this. let me
teach you something. i will be taught. when you get up in the morning, we
all want to say this. you will say: i will walk down the street. i will hold
my head high. i will say hello to everyone i meet. i will have love in my
heart. when i have hate, i will turn my hate into energy. when i have anger,
i will turn my anger into energy. when i am negative, i will be negative
only for as long as i need to be, until i understand it and then i will be
positive. and i will not be complacent. and i will not be complacent. and i
will not be a racist. and i will not be a sexist. and i will not be a
homophobic asshole. and i will love. and i will love. and i will be happy
that i am alive."-amy ray

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date:         tue, 2 may 2000 19:07:35 edt
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yes, it's long.  if you dont' want to deal with my wordage, please just read
the announcement at the end.

so don't tell me you've forgotten fred phelps. he of the godhatesfags.com?
apparently in town to protest the methodist general conference being held in
cleveland may 9 and 10, mr. phelps has decided to pay my school (oberlin
college) a visit.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
from http://www.godhatesfags.com/oberlin.html :

westboro baptist church to picket oberlin college in ohio in religious
protest/warning that god hates fags, may 9 at noon

this college in oberlin, ohio (near cleveland), has hired a filthy fag (mike
muska) as athletic director. the story below, taken from a fag magazine in
phoenix, demonstrates how the sodomites are crowing about it. for 40 years
(1835 to 1875) oberlin's president was the great bible preacher and
revivalist, charles g. finney. pastor finney must be spinning in his grave,
that oberlin college has now been overrun by semen-drinking sodomites. under
pro-gay president nancy dye, the dog is eating his own vomit and sows
wallowing in feces. 2 peter 2:22.

oberlin touts filthy, destructive lifestyle

the show of their countenance doth witness against them, and they declare
their sin as sodom, they hide it not. isa. 3:9. were they
ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all
ashamed, neither could they blush. jer. 6:15. even as sodom and gomorrah,
giving themselves over to fornication and going after strange flesh, are set
forth an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. jude 7. shame on
oberlin -- a vile stinky leper colony.

wbc warns anal/oral copulating oberlin

the mission team from westboro baptist church will conduct this religious
street service to educate and warn oberlin to repent and
flee god's wrath to come (lk. 3:7) at lorraine & main, 12:30 p.m.

beelzebub, king of sodom chancellor of oberlin college
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

well, then.  in a planned retaliation on fred phelps' attack, we collective
members of the oberlin copulating leper colony (i.e. the christians and the
queers) are staging an all-day festival of, uh, festivities.  we figure the
best way to deflect his pointless hate is with a grandiose display of
happiness all around.  (cheesy, yes.  cheese goes well with such a quacker
as he).

so.  my general announcement/ rabblerousing:
we are looking for musicians. who would like to perform outdoors, on tappan
square, time tba next tuesday may 9th.  we can't pay you, but will see to it
you're well fed and loved forever and ever.

anyone interested in performing, please contact me:
jill certo, bands/performers committee
jillian.certo@oberlin.edu
messages may be left at 440/775-5243.
free lodging is available; ask for more info.

big gay festival of faith, not phelps
(well, that's what i think we should call it)
tappan square
intersection of routes 58 and 511
oberlin college
tuesday may 9th

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i wish that i was closer and i would do it in a heartbeat....being in phx az with only $12 in my checking account i don't think i can make it in person...but want ya to know that me and my voice, heart, 2 12 strings, 2 six strings, one electric 6, a few flutes, recorders, and bohdrans, and dumbecks will be there in spirit...
i wish you all the best success and turn out....good luck....

sparkie......

tried sending to the jilly c address but it has been bounced back to me 4 times.........

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the atlanta show at echo lounge is 18+ (as is
everything at echo).
:)carrie

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first - not as a member of the g/l/b/t community - congrats - any march
where you feel safe and respected is great.

but as a member of the disabilitiy community - i am kinda perplexed by the
people who are defending the mmow to previous marches...

1993 was a totally different scene - i mean people were soooo into going - i
almost went as an ally - it was much more grassroots - free - no corporate
sponsorship ect... but besides that there are a few things i gotta disagree
on.

1. "going to the march because it's the visible tihng to do, even if you
disagree." hell - this doesn't translate to other political/social
minorities - why should it translate to the g/l/b/t community. i *am* a
major disability advocate, however, i wont ever support a whole bunch of
groups no matter what (like special olympics, mda, anything with a telethon,
anything that promotes anything other than community inclusion) i would not
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be seen at a special olympics rally in a million years - the politics of
that organization sicken me - (i will give them credit for doing good
things, but i think they still do it at a horrible price)

2. the gay community is so diverse - as is any minority community - do you
think john hockenbeery (a disabled reporter for dateline nbc/ msnbc and a
great wrtier), chris reeve, and vic chesnutt (athens ga artist who rose p is
opening for...) agree on any political agenda? or even one issue - hey -
they all have spinal cord injuries - but they are not all pushing for a
cure- in fact hockenberry is personally against it.

3. why do marches always have to be in the beltway of washington? wouldn't
it be interesting if it was in nyc or san fran (or kansas?)

i dunno - i went bike riding sunday and smashed my face on a big ramp - i
missed the c-span coverage - and i couldn't get the equality rocks webcast
in at all.

i'm sure someone taped it?!?

(look out for a bunch of rare stuff to be sold soon!)

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my parents raised me on s&g, bob dylan, cat stephens, beatles, carol king etc.

at 19 i knew about so much music that my friends had never heard of.

i sucked and ruled at the same time


joe

brooklyn, ny

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hey all-
here's the text of the little article that was in the exam break edition
of the duke chronicle.  not that exciting, but thought someone might be
interested. (and ha! i finally beat the rest of you to posting a duke
article! :-) )

there's a neat b & w photo of the girls from the concert, w/ amy in her
cowboy hat here:
http://www.chronicle.duke.edu/chronicle/2000/05/01/03indigogirls.html

if anyone really really would like a real copy of the article, email me,
and i will try to pick you up one ifi am on campus tomorrow if there are
any left. no promises, though...so if you email and don't hear from me
with directions assume they were all gone. its exam time, no time to mail
people back. if i do get copies ill send email about where to send your
sase to.  if you dont hear from me, don't email. thats all!
-hm

last wednesday night in page auditorium, the campus controversy over the
indigo girls headlining the last day of classes concert was forgotten as
the band entertained a crowd of 1,200 in the packed hall. true to their
activist reputation, emily saliers and amy ray played several songs with
political messages-for example, "go" and "faye tucker," both tracks from
the 1999 album come on now social. the former was composed in response to
the cancellation of an indigo girls concert at a south carolina high
school because of their outspoken lesbianism; the latter to draw attention
to the execution of born-again christian karla faye tucker in texas last
year. during their encore, the group-to scattered protest-asked the
audience to write sen. john edwards, d-n.c., to stop a bill allowing the
transportation of nuclear waste across the continental united states.

but the two women, who used a variety of acoustic guitars throughout the
evening, drew their most enthusiastic reaction from the crowd with
classics such as "jonas and ezekiel," "galileo" and "closer to fine,"
which the group other breaks by performing two songs on their own. ray
played "sister," a vigorous banjo solo,
while saliers offered the softer "philosophy of love," a
hidden track on come on now social.

               the first opening act, agents of good roots, was rather
sparsely attended, but
  seemed to have a few devoted fans in the audience.  nevertheless, lead
singer brian jones kept repeating the group's name and pointed out that
his brother had been a student at the university.

               in contrast, the second opening act, michelle malone, met a
more enthusiastic reception, especially when saliers and ray joined malone
and her percussionist for two songs. after this act, the doors of page were
opened to let in students who had not been able to get tickets in the
afternoon, and every seat in the auditorium was filled.

               -by norbert schürer

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i've been enjoying reading everyone's opinions about the march.

i wasn't sure if i wanted to attend, given my issues against hrc, but a bus
of people from my school were going and i have never been to dc before, so
i decided it would be a nice opportunity.  i decided i would just march and
not spend any extra money on anything.

so, yeah, riding on a bus from cincinnati to dc is not my idea of fun, but
i'm really glad i went.  we left saturday evening and drove through the
night and arrived sunday morning.  i got excited right away riding the
metro, because it was packed with gay people.  the march was really fun and
it was so nice to meet other people from around this area.  by the time the
march was done, my friends and i were all absolutely starving so instead of
staying for the rally we went to another part of the city to get food, then
we went site seeing.  i am kind of disappointed that i didn't hear the
speeches, but i would have passed out if i waited any longer without eating
(not to mention i was really sick with a bad cold and needed to sit down
away from the crowds for a while).

if anyone who was there heard some people from ohio yelling stuff about
placards, that was us.  (don't ask why we had such a fascination with
placards...it's a long and not so interesting story, and we are all weirdos.)


liz (who would like to share that she is officially getting out of this god
forsaken city next year to transfer to agnes scott college, and would like
to thank theresa for her help)


"come on and sing along if you want to, cry if you have to, lean back into
your lover's arms, grab the hand of the person standing right next to you
and show them you are not afraid of who you are."
    ~melissa ferrick

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i have all but the first and last 10 minutes of the march on tape if anyone
would like a copy.

gram

on tue, 2 may 2000, lane, tara e. wrote:

> videos of the march can be bought from c-span.org.  i think you can get the
> whole march and rally for $60, and it's like over 6 hours of footage.
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hi folks,

while a certain amount of short non-indigo girls posts have always been
a part of this list, today contained several posts well over 5kb in
size.

in response to these lengthy posts, i have received numerous emails from
other listees asking for the nigc posts to be shorter while this
conversation runs it's 48 hour on-list discussion time.

in the future, please keep in mind that not everyone on this list has
the time or inclination to read through long nigc posts.

thanks for your cooperation.

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help! i was out of town for the weekend and somehow managed to screw up
recording the x-files on both vcr's... grrr... so i need a copy of hollywood
a.d. please?? someone?? i have every other episode on tape, the secrets
specials, and even the episode of the simpsons with david and gillian if
anyone wants to trade... or we can trade for indigo girls or anything...

:( :(
lisa

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hey!  last night i was at a campaign meeting for ralph nader, with his guy
who's in charge of getting petitions signed.....

this guy was telling us about earth day and how he got to hold winona
laduke's new baby while she was speaking at the earth day rally in dc. he
also said he was talking to the indigo girls.  he said that they were going
to work together on their fall tour w/ winona laduke.  that *has* to be hte
:)
he also mentioned teamming up w/ other artists such as bonnie raitt and ani
d.

it just made me really happy he mentioned them...otherwise i would have
suggested it!
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here's my take (apologies to those on other lists with me <g>):

equality rocks was really an amazing concert.  i almost didn't go, and i am
*so* glad i changed my mind.  i had expected to enjoy etheridge and lang
and survive the rest, but i had a blast throughout the vast majority of the
show.  my favorite moment was the ovation that ellen got (which lasted
several minutes and shook the stands), and her reception of it, was
incredibly moving, perhaps even more so in light of the excellent interview
she did with the advocate recently (she spoke of how desperately she tried
to do the right thing with her show, and how she longed for some thanks to
accompany the criticism she got from the gay community).  from what i've
seen, ellen is pretty special, and i was thrilled to see her recognized for
everything she did.  (funniest comments i recall:  she talked about phelps'
"dyke ellen" sign, saying they could call her that, she's *proud* of that,
she was just upset that they put zits on her face. :-)

a hate crimes segment was as moving as might be expected; crushing to hear
of the crimes, uplifting to see gays, jews, african americans, phillipinos,
etc. come together to denounce *all* hate crimes.

rufus wainright's first song, on guitar, was a nice pop surprise, but the
second, a piano ballad, was more of what i'd heard before and hadn't
liked.  the crowd wasn't into it either.

albita sang a couple of songs, the crowd is still waiting...

chaka khan really got things warmed up with "i feel for you," "i'm every
woman" and  "tell me something good".

k.d. lang sang her new single ("summer fling") and the apropos cover song
"right to love."

michael feinstein was a bore, but the audience respected him for the
musical genius he is and was gracious to a performer who really shouldn't
be playing a stadium...

melissa etheridge was the thread that held everything together, singing a
set ("come to my window," "silent legacy," and "i'm the only one"), later
performing "scarecrow following the hate crimes segment, joining the pet
shop boys for "what have i done to deserve this" (what fun!), and leading
the finale ("celebrate" (kool & the gang) and "dance to the music" (sly and
the family stone)).

george michael's set was great, but he spoiled it with a pathetic diatribe
revealing his bitterness over his recent lack of success in the us (which
he attributes to his outing).  still, his angry words following a film
depicting torture and institutionalization of gay teens were perfect.

garth brooks joined george michael on stage for "freedom," another
outstanding and unexpected duet.  brooks was great fun on that, and his set
was good (though i tend to like his more upbeat stuff).

queen latifah was a no-show... i speculated that she was supposed to come
out and chickened out. :-)

the non-musical guests:  nathan lane (opened up with a mildly funny
monologue); julie cypher ("i'm a lesbian") and laura dern ("and i played
one on tv!"); kristen johnson (not memorable); tipper gore (little bit
about her hubby's support, intro of k.d., played drums in the finale, to
which a crowd who'se probably forgotten her labelling efforts chanted "go
tipper!  go tipper!"); anne heche (she said she wanted to cry over our
ovation of her wife); kathy najimy (her usual gay-friendly speech
emphasizing her straightness; repeated verbatim at the rally on sunday).

major kudos to whoever produced this show, because i cannot imagine it
going more smoothly.  they used the same band (etheridge's, + an additional
guitar player and the perry sisters on backing vocals)  for all acts which
cut down on transition time.  between the non-musical guests and the films
between sets everything went smoothly from one guest to the next.  the
transition to brooks was the best; since he was the only major straight
performer, and in a genre not generally played in clubs <g>, his entrance
could have been a queue for the restrooms if he hadn't knocked us out with
that playful performance with george michael.

hrc did a hell of a job with equality rocks, perhaps to the detriment of
the march, which kicked off too early (i wasn't the only person who opted
to show up at the mall at noon rather than get in line at 8).  the rally
was interminably boring (too many activists preaching to the converted for
six hours, with 1 song by etheridge ("truth of the heart") , 2 by the
riotous band betty, and a whole lot of melba moore, choirs, and marching
bands to break it up...).  someone should have taken lessons from the earth
day celebration last week -- in order to inspire people with activist
rhetoric, you must keep their attention!  even the most hard core among us
(read: me) were bored.  things at the rally worth seeing:  another
wonderful appearance by ellen (favorite moment:  ellen saying that if she
wasn't a loving, peaceful person she'd shove phelps' signs right up his
sorry little ass!); the high school varsity qb from mass. who came out to
his team; the leader of a high school glbt umbrella organization; martina's
words on taking the rally home; the unbelievably charismatic and articulate
young daughter of a lesbian couple.

---<>---

final thought: if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the
problem.  *do something*, whether it's with hrc or ngltf or your local
lesbigay organization.  if you don't like any of 'em, start your own
organization.  but don't sit around bitching about what someone else did
(especially if you wouldn't have made any effort yourself).  the ad hoc
committee's bitter post-march diatribes (including conservative estimates
of the rally attendance) read like propaganda from the traditional values
coalition.  they are incredibly counterproductive and selfish; with friends
like these, who needs enemies?

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hello all
the following are for sale and do not include a small fee for postage (all
dependent on the item). email me back (lschwart@goucher.edu), first come
first serve.

indigo stuff:
1)uptown lounge video: $10
2)australian import version of "rites of passage" cd: (plain cd, not pink
like u.s. version, w/ blue and black writing, all same songs though) $50
3)reverse one live cd: $120
4)"tame yourself" various artists cd: (indigo girls do a song w/ michael
stipe, song by kd lang, b-52s, erasure, river phoenix's band, and more):$8
5)large, white, bootleg t-shirt w/ picture of a and e and "indigo girls"
written on front: $5
6)xl, white, "nomads" tour shirt w/ nomads "hand" emblum on front left,
figures and "indigo girls" writen on back. 2 dirt stains on front: $6
7)xl, black, daemon records shirt w/ "feral" on back with paw print. brand
new: $12

disappear fear cd's: $8 each or all three for $20
1)"live at the bottom line" w/ 'sink the censorship,' 'love isn't dead,'
etc.
2)"deep sould diver" w/ 'photograph,' 'deep soul diver,' etc.
3)"disappear fear" w/ 'washington work song,' 'be the one,' etc.

random:
1)giant, u.k. subway poster of prodigy for "fat of the land" with band
members as cartoon images and release date 7.1.97: $7

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date:         tue, 2 may 2000 22:36:58 -0400
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> help! i was out of town for the weekend and somehow managed to screw up
> recording the x-files on both vcr's... grrr... so i need a copy of hollywood
> a.d. please?? someone?? i have every other episode on tape, the secrets
> specials, and even the episode of the simpsons with david and gillian if
> anyone wants to trade... or we can trade for indigo girls or anything...

        how apropos - to bring this *very* tenuously back to igc (in that
it involves working for a good cause) if you are an x-files fan and are
interested in raising money for charity by simply watching some episodes,
please email me offlist for more information.
        mandy

        p.s. lisa -i wish i had a copy to offer you, but my recording is
so fuzzy that one can barely make out whether it's mulder or scully one is
looking at.


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                i have a gift to bring....

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subject:      ig jacksonville, i beg ur pardon

um i am complaining.  i read on the ig webpage that they are coming to oregon this summer.  but where u may ask and the answer to that is jacksonville.  why not portland or eugene where there are hippies.  why jacksonville which is not a town that has defeated anti gay right measures?  that is my complaint.  i would call it hicksville.  someone explain this to me would ya
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date:         wed, 3 may 2000 01:10:21 -0400
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there is an interview with indigo girls in mother jones magazine in the
may/june issue.  the article is not yet available online, but maybe it
will be soon at http://www.motherjones.com .  the site is worth checking
out anyway.

erica

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date:         tue, 2 may 2000 22:17:14 -0700
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hello,

if anyone has any of the "in the life" segments on tape, would you please
email me privately...i have plenty of ig video to trade plus some melissa
etheridge, ani, and dixie chicks

gram

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subject:      re: queer as folk question nigc
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you can get a special behind the scenes look at "queer as folk" at the
following url:

http://www.inthelifetv.org/itlmerch/

on tue, 2 may 2000, claudia rollins wrote:

> my best bud/soon to be roomie is looking for a vhs copy of the bbc
> show....however, we can't seem to find it anywhere other than in the pal
> format, which won't work in usa vcr's....anyone have any idea where i can
> get my hands on one of these...i would love to surprise him with a
> copy

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ahold of this information before i did, but sure enough, as stated in =
the news section on cdnow.com, they will be playing at the los angeles =
house of blues on july 27th and 28th.  :)=20
now if only they'll announce the bay area dates...

leslie


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date:         wed, 3 may 2000 02:38:41 -0400
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from:         megan beene <mbeene@wesleyancollege.edu>
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wow, carrie, you made me(and some of my friends too) very happy girls!
anyway, i'm kicking myself for not getting together some kind of meeting for
this last concert (i stood in close proximity of at least 5 or 6 bbs or list
people and met only 2), so i'd like to set something up for this daemon
show. who's planning on going?
i'd love to meet y'all!

megan (o:,'

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sent: tuesday, may 02, 2000 7:43 pm
to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
subject: re: daemon records tour


the atlanta show at echo lounge is 18+ (as is
everything at echo).
:)carrie

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date:         wed, 3 may 2000 02:47:45 -0700
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anybody up that has the link to the princeton interview with amy? email me
if you have it...thanks

pacem in terris, mir, shanti, salaam, hey wa
beccie lyon

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--- kristin tat <tattoo1981@aol.com> wrote:
why
> not portland or eugene where there are hippies.  why
> jacksonville which is not a town that has defeated
> anti gay right measures?

i agree, jacksonville is by far not the most
progressive town, but the britt festival is a
wonderful  venue.  i think they played there for the
1st time in 1997, and emily commented on how it
"looked like one big picnic"  i think they really
liked it, the atmosphere is mellow and really
beautiful.  i really love it myself and am really glad
they chose to do it there.  cuthbert in eugene would
be nice too, but now you can't bring in your own food
and that kinda sucks.  champoeg is the same, although
the best ig show i ever went to was there.  anyway,
just a few thoughts :)
laurel

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date:         wed, 3 may 2000 08:29:34 -0500
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hi there.  i don't know where you can find it.  i found it about three years
ago and printed it off.  like i said, i cannot give you the link, but i will
give you the words.

when you get up in the morning
we all wanna say this
we all wanna get up
and we all wanna say this.
you will say:
i will walk down the street.
i will hold my head high.
i will say hello to everyone i meet.
i will have love in my heart.
when i have hate, i will turn my hate into energy.
when i have anger, i will turn my anger into energy.
when i am negative i will be negative only for as long as i need to be until
i understand it and then i will be positive.
and i will not be complacent.
and i will not be complacent.
and i will not be complacent.
and i will not be complacent.
and i will not be complacent.
and i will not be complacent!
and i will not be complacent!
and i will not be complacent!
and i will not be complacent!
and i will not be a racist!
and i will not be a sexist!
and i will not be a homophobic asshole!
and i will love!
and i will be happy
that i am
alive!!!
1...2...3...4...jump jump jump so high....


i hope that helps you out and i hope that is what you were looking for.
-mi rinda

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i know i already posted this, but would some kind person on this list,
please
tell me where to find amy's statement / quote about...i will not be
complacent?  i wanted to use it and present it at one of my diversity
classes
tomorrow, but can not find it.  any help asap, would be greatly
appreciated...
thanks ---trish

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i wish i could be that consicise!! i agree w/ that last part of what you
said completelly! its up to "us" to change something if we dont like it or
want to better it! as far as criticing emily and amy and stuff, i dont think
one has to agree w/ everything they do, in fact, according to many articles
ive seen, they dont always agree w/ eachoether, but respect eachother
tremendously! i think both sides have a valid point and hopefull the hrc and
all other org. will continue to improve!! i very much enjoy listening to
both sides of every argument before i form an opinion. i guess we can safely
say that the message of this event was one everyone could support, and the
way in which it was brought around and/or the "group" who was most visible
is where most of the conflict stems! have a great day!!

cara


>from: no name <dresden5@aol.com>
>reply-to: dresden5@aol.com
>to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
>subject: mmow, hrc and the queer community
>date: tue, 2 may 2000 21:08:04 +0000
>
>i'm sure this is going to be thrown off the list soon... sooo... a couple
>of quick comments.
>
>1. hrc called the march, but did not organize it.a separate board did. if
>you want to know more about them look at www.mmow.org or
>www.foranopenprocess.org
>
>2. there were *not* 1 million queers there... not even close. the event was
>*much* smaller than 1993 (think 125,000 compared to closer to 500,000). and
>further more, despite what some might say, the march did not have to
>happen... it happened because a few individuals who have some power decided
>they wanted it, and set the ball rolling.
>
>3. the "march" in mmow was a bit misleading. infact when originally
>organized there wasn't going to be a march. it was just going to be a
>rally. when the community finally figured that out the organizers were
>pressured into having a march. a march that, btw was on the middle of the
>mall... so much for taking it to the streets.
>
>3. i find it ironic that those on the list who support amy and emily's
>criticisms of other organizations get testy about their reaction to hrc.
>frankly, i think everyone should take the time out to *really* look at what
>hrc does, all the good, and all the not so good.
>feel free to email me if you need some ideas on where to start.
>
>4. it is *my* opinion, and many others, that hrc and other organizations
>have historically been neither socially responsible nor accountable to the
>community.
>
>5. did i mention the fact that you had to *pay* to get into the millenium
>festival and that it was fenced off. thank you, but i'd rather be at pride
>where way more people come and we arent caged in.
>
>6. think about it... thousands of people sporting the hrc logo in the name
>of "equality" step back for a second and think about what that says about
>our society that we rally around "progressive social justice" through a
>corporate logo.
>
>7. if you agree with any of the following, or are interested in trying to
>move the lgbt community to a more progresive and socially concious place,
>please email me:
>katerw@virginia.edu
>
>now on a positive note...
>
>over 7,000 families attended the family garden. the biggest gathering of
>queer families ever!
>
>i think the weekend was inspirational for those who were there, but it was
>completely different than any march on washington from before.
>
>and i would like to point out that there is no one right opionion on all of
>this... and if the people on this list feel so strongly in any direction i
>encourage them to get involved locally to make this world a better place
>and to hold the queer community accountable just like we hold the rest of
>society accountable.
>
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1. "going to the march because it's the visible tihng to do, even if you
disagree." hell - this doesn't translate to other political/social
minorities - why should it translate to the g/l/b/t community. i *am* a
major disability advocate, however, i wont ever support a whole bunch of
groups no matter what (like special olympics, mda, anything with a telethon,
anything that promotes anything other than community inclusion) i would not
be seen at a special olympics rally in a million years - the politics of
that organization sicken me - (i will give them credit for doing good
things, but i think they still do it at a horrible price)

i dont know if the above was in refrence of my statement of being a visible
thing or not, but, if it is thats not what i said! i said if you agree w/ it
as a whole, not if you dont w/ it at all, and not just to be visible, its
more than that! on the issue of dissablity, my former hs was extrememly
active in special olympics and i saw first hand how incredible that
experience and others can be! my mother has been a ld (everything from beh
to retarded children to physical disablities to specific ld kis and i am
severly add and am extremely aware of dissablity issues!) teacher for 30
years and i have seen first hand how many have been helped by both profit
and non profit groups!if no telethon, where do you suppose lots of money
comes from? in a perfect world nothing would be for profit and no politics
would be involved, but thats not the way it is. it sux and i hate it, but
there is some good w/ in many of these org. and they have helped tons of ppl
and most importantly have raised awareness. no one group can possibly "speak
for" a whole group cuz we are indiviuals, but the ideas more often than not
are common through out a community! my whole point is that if someone who
finds an event/org as a whole a good thing, i think its worth supporting. if
one finds nothing w/ in the idea worth supporting, then obviously dont
support it! im not saying i agree w/ how political things are, in fact it
sickens me, but i wont let that stop me! i wont go on cuz its not really
appropriate here! all of us are entitled to our opinion w/ out a doubt! i
dont know if i have one on the hrc per say, but, i just want to clarify what
it was i was sayin, if the above statements were even based on my own! have
a great day!!

cara

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>reply-to: mike reynolds <io20742@exploremaine.com>
>to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
>subject: minority politics and the mmow
>date: tue, 2 may 2000 20:04:47 -0400
>
>first - not as a member of the g/l/b/t community - congrats - any march
>where you feel safe and respected is great.
>
>but as a member of the disabilitiy community - i am kinda perplexed by the
>people who are defending the mmow to previous marches...
>
>1993 was a totally different scene - i mean people were soooo into going -
>i
>almost went as an ally - it was much more grassroots - free - no corporate
>sponsorship ect... but besides that there are a few things i gotta disagree
>on.
>
>1. "going to the march because it's the visible tihng to do, even if you
>disagree." hell - this doesn't translate to other political/social
>minorities - why should it translate to the g/l/b/t community. i *am* a
>major disability advocate, however, i wont ever support a whole bunch of
>groups no matter what (like special olympics, mda, anything with a
>telethon,
>anything that promotes anything other than community inclusion) i would not
>be seen at a special olympics rally in a million years - the politics of
>that organization sicken me - (i will give them credit for doing good
>things, but i think they still do it at a horrible price)
>
>2. the gay community is so diverse - as is any minority community - do you
>think john hockenbeery (a disabled reporter for dateline nbc/ msnbc and a
>great wrtier), chris reeve, and vic chesnutt (athens ga artist who rose p
>is
>opening for...) agree on any political agenda? or even one issue - hey -
>they all have spinal cord injuries - but they are not all pushing for a
>cure- in fact hockenberry is personally against it.
>
>3. why do marches always have to be in the beltway of washington? wouldn't
>it be interesting if it was in nyc or san fran (or kansas?)
>
>i dunno - i went bike riding sunday and smashed my face on a big ramp - i
>missed the c-span coverage - and i couldn't get the equality rocks webcast
>in at all.
>
>i'm sure someone taped it?!?
>
>(look out for a bunch of rare stuff to be sold soon!)
>
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date:         wed, 3 may 2000 14:44:03 +0000
reply-to:     hunterj1@aol.com
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from:         hunterj1@aol.com
subject:      re: soc - i hope chance is looking at this :)

<<"i will walk down the street.  i will hold my head high.  i will say hello
to everyone i meet.  i will have love in my heart.  when i have hate, i will
turn my hate into energy. and when i have anger, i will turn my anger into
energy.  when i am negative, i will be negative only for as long as i need
to be, until i understand it and then i will be positive.  and i will not be
complacent.   and i will not be complacent.  and i will not be a racist.
and i will not be a sexist. and i will not be a homophobic asshole.  and i
will love.  and i will love.  and i will be happy that i am alive."

-- amy ray (indigo girls)>>

because she requested it (and prolly really needed to read it).   if someone can tell me the date of the show this is taken from, i'll offer it to the list.  i think it was a kid fears or tmf seque.  anyway, ar said iwnbc about a gazillion times:)

jude :)

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date:         wed, 3 may 2000 07:50:49 -0700
reply-to:     carrie <carrie827@yahoo.com>
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here's the link to the summer tour article from cdnow
yesterday. short text and small picture, then the
schedule as we know (plus the la dates mentioned) and
a few dates listed simply as tba, including one in
between south dakota and iowa.
keeping my fingers crossed it's another close to home
show,
:)carrie


http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/redirect/leaf=allstararticle/fid=200347

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hey!
in re the web site for amy's "i will not be complacent" quote... i stubbled
upon it a few weeks ago. of course, i can't remember the site info, so this
post is totally not helpful, but i probably ended up there through the
lifeblood links. also, i have a silly question of my own... a couple of years
ago, i found a web site that was like "you know you're an ig psycho fan
if..." anyone know what i'm talking about and happen to know if that page is
still around? i found a color me indigo site that is comparable, but it's not
the same one i found a long time ago... mmm back to the books! :)

thanks!
megan


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"when you're learning to face the path at your pace, every choice is worth
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i believe this is from a tmf seque from the newport folk fest on august 7,
1994.  i was lucky enough to get a copy of the show (it's the same one that
ig sings with the story).

jenn

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<<"i will walk down the street.  i will hold my head high.  i will say hello
to everyone i meet.  i will have love in my heart.  when i have hate, i will
turn my hate into energy. and when i have anger, i will turn my anger into
energy.  when i am negative, i will be negative only for as long as i need
to be, until i understand it and then i will be positive.  and i will not be
complacent.   and i will not be complacent.  and i will not be a racist.
and i will not be a sexist. and i will not be a homophobic asshole.  and i
will love.  and i will love.  and i will be happy that i am alive."

-- amy ray (indigo girls)>>

because she requested it (and prolly really needed to read it).   if someone
can tell me the date of the show this is taken from, i'll offer it to the
list.  i think it was a kid fears or tmf seque.  anyway, ar said iwnbc about
a gazillion times:)

jude :)

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subject:      nigc vermont
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forgive me.  i couldn't help myself.....

> last week, vermont became the first state to legally recognize same-sex
> marriages. what do you think about this historic legislation?
>
> "at long last, ben will be able to make an honest man of
> jerry."
>               linda leone, pharmacist
>
"first, the military, now marriage. why do these gays want in
> on our worst institutions?"
>               george lewis, architect
>
> "gay marriage is only going to take weddings to another
> opulent level."
>               risa more, school psychologist
>
> "shit. now mom will really step up the pressure on me and my
> leather slave to finally tie the knot."
>               hal iorg, gas-station clerk
>
> "homosexuals are just trying to make their sodomy as morally
> acceptable as the sodomy i enjoy in my church-sanctioned
> marriage."
>               frank brodhagen, truck driver

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reply-to:     bonster <bonster@drizzle.com>
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while walking home yesterday evening i spotted a grey subaru wagon
complete with ig sticker parked on the osu campus in front of benton hall.
what? you mean i'm not the only ig fan in corvallis?  ;)

sometimes i'm amazed at the little things that bring a smile to my face,
especially after a lousy day.

so, are you on the list? fess up!

-bon

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hey all...sorry about hte nigc post!! i posted this earlier and i have to do
it again! the "g105 big shindig" here in raleigh nc at the alltell pavilion
at walnut creek. its an all day concert thing w/ meliisa etheridge, train,
vertical horizon, edwin mccain, et (check out g105.citysearch.com and clik
on big shindig for more info on it) on sat may 20 and i have two tix i
bought which i cant use b/c ill be in san fran. i paid list price (27.50
each) for em so ill sell em for that or slightly less maybe! i have to sell
these so if anyone here or anyone that knows anyone that would be interested
please please private email me!!!!!!!! thank you so much!!!

cara
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here is an email i got from the newsletter at indigogirlsdirect! i saw posts
for 1:15 but this says 4:15-5pm est so i guess its 1pm on the west coast?
anway, here is the info! have a great day!!

cara

emily saliers will be chatting online on friday, may 5th (cinco de mayo!)
from 4:15pm to 5:00pm est.  all you need to do is go to the news section of
indigo girls' official site, indigogirls.com, and it will tell you what to
do from there.  if you'd like, you can go now
and pre-submit your questions at:
http://news.indigogirlsdirect.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/mcp?p=639qc039qg4ctpc01200mijatij7s

be sure and check out what time 4:15pm est is for you...we wouldn't want you
to miss it!  also, be sure and get there a little early to
secure yourself a spot.


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hello...is anybody out there???

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can somebody give me the site  where the info for the minnesota shows are listed---can't find them anywhere.  thanks!

kara.

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just in case any of you are in or near the pioneer valley and are interested.
winona laduke worked with the honor the earth campaign.

-shana

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>to: patricia erikson <perikson@sophia.smith.edu>
>from: kate harris <kmhns@helios.hampshire.edu>
>subject: winona laduke is coming to hampshire college!!
>status:
>
>hampshire college
>thursday, may 11th, 7pm
>main lecture hall, franklin patterson hall
>free, accessible and open to the public
>
>winona laduke
>"the end of conquest, beginning of survival"
>
>   winona laduke (ojibwe) is an internationally-renowned native
>american indian activist and advocate for environmental, women's and
>children's rights. she is the founder and campaign director of the white
>earth land recovery project, a reservation-based land acquisition,
>environmental advocacy and cultural organization. she is also founder and
>co-chair of the indigenous women's network, and program director at the
>seventh generation fund.
>   laduke is ralph nader's vice-presidential candidate on the green
>party ticket for the 2000 presidential election, as she was in 1996. she
>organizes and hosts the "honor the earth" tour in conjunction with the
>folk-rock duo, the indigo girls, with whom she was named by ms. magazine
>1997 woman of the year.
>   in 1988, laduke won the reebok human rights award, launching the
>white earth land recovery project with the proceeds. time magazine named
>her, in 1994, one of the "50 for the future," the country's most promising
>leaders under age 40. she has also been profiled in people, sierra, e and
>minnesota monthly magazines.
>   laduke, a graduate of harvard and antioch universities, has written
>extensively on national environmental issues. she is the author of all our
>relations: native struggles for land and life (south end press) and the
>novel, last standing woman, in which she chronicles a native american
>reservation and its people's struggle to restore their culture. her books
>will be available for purchase and signing.
>   laduke lives with her three children on the white earth reservation
>in northern minnesota.
>
>questions? contact kate harris 413-559-5792, kharris@hampshire.edu
>
>hampshire college is located on route 116/west street, south of amherst
>center, just before the bay road intersection.
>
>directions to hampshire:  http://www.hampshire.edu/home/directions.shtml
>
>to franklin patterson hall:
>follow the main driveway until you get to the 4-way intersection, then turn
>left. follow that around past the jewish book center till you see a white
>sign on the right that says franklin patterson hall - turn here. come up
>the front steps and enter the front door. the main lecture hall is
>directly in front of you down the stairs.
>
>map of the campus:  http://www.hampshire.edu/campus/hamp_sky.shtml
>franklin patterson hall is #15>>

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fyi....

... begin xmission ...

dear minnesota worldperks member:

summer is just around the corner, and northwest airlines is proud
to sponsor the "music in the zoo" summer concert series at the
minnesota zoo.

as part of our sponsorship, worldperks members can save 25% on
northwest airlines "music in the zoo" summer concert series packages as
well as individual tickets to the indigo girls shows.
purchase as many as you like, but do it soon!  this
special offer is only available from may 6 through may 31, 2000.

to purchase a summer series package, please call ticketmaster at
(612) 989-5151 or visit http://www.ticketmaster.com and provide
your worldperks membership number to receive the 25% discount.
packages are listed below; visit http://www.mnzoo.com for
more details.

available packages include:

indigo girls
thursday, june 22 and friday, june 23
ticket price: $35.00
worldperks price: $26.25

***

golden eagle package
proud purveyors of musical freedom
package price: $87.50
worldperks price: $77.50

tuesday, june 20 ~ the robert cray band with special guest paul cebar
friday, july 28 ~ rick springfield
saturday, august 12 ~ jeff arundel & billy mclaughlin
thursday, august 24 ~ delbert mcclinton with special guest kevin bowe
and the okemah prophets

***

screech owl package
loud and proud eclectic prey
package price: $87.00
worldperks price: $77.00

sunday, june 25 ~ the string cheese incident
thursday, july 13 ~ jimmy thackery & the drivers and special guest
coco montoya
friday, august 11 ~ the honeydogs with special guest johnny clueless
sunday, august 13 ~ wilson pickett with special guest  curtiss a.
saturday, august 26 ~ the big wu

***

night hawk package
nocturnal musical genius brings music to light
package price: $95.00
worldperks price: $85.00

friday, june 30 ~ taj mahal with special guest one world
thursday, july 20 ~ indigenous
wednesday, august 16  ~ bruce cockburn with special guest janis ian
wednesday, august 30 ~ keb' mo'

we hope you will join us for great music in the wild atmosphere
of the minnesota zoo!  thank you for your interest in northwest
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from:         vesper evensong <indigyrlieman@aol.com>
subject:      re: mmow, hrc and the queer community
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as i grow older, and issues seem more complex, i realise more and more how
little i really know about anything.  think about it. what do we really know?
can we trust all the sources from which we extract information? can we even
trust our own senses?
sorry, been reading too much sartre lately...
ignore me, sorry.

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fyi....

... begin xmission ...

dear minnesota worldperks member:

summer is just around the corner, and northwest airlines is proud
to sponsor the "music in the zoo" summer concert series at the
minnesota zoo.

as part of our sponsorship, worldperks members can save 25% on
northwest airlines "music in the zoo" summer concert series packages as
well as individual tickets to the indigo girls shows.
purchase as many as you like, but do it soon!  this
special offer is only available from may 6 through may 31, 2000.

to purchase a summer series package, please call ticketmaster at
(612) 989-5151 or visit http://www.ticketmaster.com and provide
your worldperks membership number to receive the 25% discount.
packages are listed below; visit http://www.mnzoo.com for
more details.

available packages include:

indigo girls
thursday, june 22 and friday, june 23
ticket price: $35.00
worldperks price: $26.25

***

golden eagle package
proud purveyors of musical freedom
package price: $87.50
worldperks price: $77.50

tuesday, june 20 ~ the robert cray band with special guest paul cebar
friday, july 28 ~ rick springfield
saturday, august 12 ~ jeff arundel & billy mclaughlin
thursday, august 24 ~ delbert mcclinton with special guest kevin bowe
and the okemah prophets

***

screech owl package
loud and proud eclectic prey
package price: $87.00
worldperks price: $77.00

sunday, june 25 ~ the string cheese incident
thursday, july 13 ~ jimmy thackery & the drivers and special guest
coco montoya
friday, august 11 ~ the honeydogs with special guest johnny clueless
sunday, august 13 ~ wilson pickett with special guest  curtiss a.
saturday, august 26 ~ the big wu

***

night hawk package
nocturnal musical genius brings music to light
package price: $95.00
worldperks price: $85.00

friday, june 30 ~ taj mahal with special guest one world
thursday, july 20 ~ indigenous
wednesday, august 16  ~ bruce cockburn with special guest janis ian
wednesday, august 30 ~ keb' mo'

we hope you will join us for great music in the wild atmosphere
of the minnesota zoo!  thank you for your interest in northwest
airlines, and we look forward to seeing you at the zoo this summer.>

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house of blues in los angeles has no info on ig for july, as of yet.  i
called the box office this afternoon. if anyone comes across any concrete
information, i would appreciate being informed!
thank you!
--vesper in la

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this is a really good interview
the following is taken w/o permission ** naturally! *** and transcribed as
best i can since i can't find it on their web site so please forgive typos.
also, feel free to forward to the news list,

nancy


true believer
indigo girl amy ray is taking time between protests for an extended concert
tour.
interview by jenn gargiulo

for over a decade, the indigo girls have been singing to the hears and souls
of lesbians, teaching us about spirituality and love between women.  my own
personal journey with the indigo girls began ten years ago, when i first saw
them on their self-titled debut tour.  unsure of my own sexuality at the
time, i was fascinated by the show and sensed that i shared something more
than an appreciation of the music with indigos amy ray and emily saliers.

afterwards, my then boyfriend and i got the chance to hang out with the
indigo girls.  this was my first exposure to lesbians.  at that very special
gathering, my eyes were forever opened to the mysticism and beauty of women
and they're expression of love for each other.  i remember it well

competing for amy's attention from across the room, an interrupting dyke
shouted the question: "hey amy, what's your sign?"  without allowing amy the
chance to respond, i quickly snapped back with, "what kind of mythological
crap is that?"  amy's started look warned me that i had just come close to
instigating my first lesbian altercation.

for the past ten years, i've played that meeting over and over in my mind,
always hoping for the opportunity to redeem myself.  i jumped at the chance
when watermark offered me an exclusive interview with amy ray.  calling from
wellesly college outside boston, amy and i talked about the indigo's music,
feminism, motherhood, and astrology.

the indigo girls will perform at the house of blues at downtown disney on
wednesday, may 3, at 8:30 p.m. and at the tampa theatre on friday, may 5, at
8 p.m..

watermark: you've been in washington d.c. haven't you?
amy: i was in dc the past two days, and with emily the day before that

w: what were you doing in dc?
a: we were involved in the protesting about the world bank, and the impact
their policies have on the ecology and on third world countries.  the first
day we played in a big gathering area for a group of people who were
marching.  the next day i stayed and went on the final big march, but we
weren't part of the core organizing group or anything.  it looked like there
were about 20,000 people there, though.

w: is there a reason why the indigo girls aren't involved with the upcoming
millennium march?
a: (hesitating) the equality rocks concert you mean?

w: yeah
a: umm. (long pause)

w: they didn't shortchange you did they?
a: i don't think we got shortchanged, honestly.  i mean, hrc is a group we
don't work with.

w: oh, really?
a: not usually.  i think they do a lot of good work, but i have some basic
differences with them about some of the political figures that they have
supported in the past few years . . . al diamoto being the main one.  he's
very conservative and he's not, to me, a pro-woman political figure.
i support people that support a lot of different issues, and i don't narrow
that down to the one or two things that i'm working on.  i put it all into a
big picture, but at some point i have to ask whether supporting one thing is
fundamentally inconsistent with supporting some other thing.  i really think
it all has to work together.  i don't know if you can be a gay rights
activist without being a feminist, for instance.  and i don't think you can
be a gay rights activist without supporting the effort to stop
globalization.
i think all issues of social justice are interwoven and they work together.
that's my belief system.  i'm a grass roots activist, and i tend to work
well with groups that are based on the grass roots notion of organizing
within communities . . .which some people find radical.
i'm not willing to make compromises.  i think that hrc does some really
effective things.  i think we need them, but its not where i choose to work,
and i think they know that about us (laughs).

w: can you talk a little more about how gay rights and feminist rights come
from the same place?
a: i think social justice issues meld together.  and i believe that feminism
and homophobia are very closely linked.  when you look closely at sexism,
you see that feminists and gay activists are fighting against the same
thing.  it all has to do with limited and outdated gender role
classifications.

w: how does that belief impact your music?
a: let me just say that the reason why we're not played on commercial rock
radio is not because we're gay, it's because we're not the right kind of
woman.  that's sexism! if we were openly gay, and yet also willing to buy
into a male identified world, like some gays and lesbians do, then we would
be played.  that's sexism to me.

w: i see what you're saying . . .
a: it's the same thing when a man who is gay is considered feminine.  first
it's ridiculous that those feminine qualities are considered bad (laughing),
and second he's ostracized more for being feminine than for being gay.

w: like on "will and grace" , where the straight-acting one is considered a
role-model, and the queen is laughed at and looked down on.
a: exactly!

w: i know you had an appendectomy recently.  are you completely recovered?
a: yeah, i feel great.  i also had a ruptured cyst in my ovary, which was
even worse.  it was a long recovery, but i feel a lot better.

w: you're on tour throughout the summer . . . are you planning to book
australia during olympic time?
a: (laughing) no, unfortunately there's too much going on then.

w: didn't you just have a birthday?
a: yep. april 12th.

w: happy birthday.  do birthdays make you think more about the possibility
of having children?
a: yes, as a matter of fact, and i want to.  i told myself that i'd make a
decision within a couple of years, and that i'd do it one way or another.  i
have a lot to think about.  i'm ready on an emotional level, but on a
practical level i still have a lot of things to consider.  i have to look
very closely at it.

w: let's talk about your most recent cd, "come on now social" it's a diverse
recording.  did working with drummer john reynolds and some of the other
folks who were involved in the lilith fair concerts make a difference?
a: yes.  i definitely think that when we take time off between recordings,
we grow and expand.  john was a really good find, and he truly brought out
in an organic way all the different influences we've had - the hard core
sort of folk storytelling influences, and emily's blues influences as well

w: that's what i love about the cd.  it seems that musicians who are best
able to diversify also have the most longevity. like joni mitchell, who's
been getting a lot of recognition lately.
a: she's amazing.  she's like . . .total genius.

w: did she influence you and emily?
a: a huge influence on emily --- not as much on me.  but i can't even grasp
how brilliant she is.  she's just really brilliant musically, and as a
person, too . . . her thoughts and ideas and the way she lives her live.
what a wonderful role model.

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subject:      anyone going to ames, ia??

hey kind friends-

i am really hoping to go to the ames ia concert in june, since it is at
my school.  the problem is, because it is summer and all, i will
be working at home in the twin cities!  is anybody driving down from the
st. paul area that night/afternoon for the concert that would be willing to
take a lowly college student with them as a passenger?!  i will pay for gas
and all...please oh please oh please!!!!!

-sandy

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on wed, 3 may 2000 bluewhale@excite.com wrote:

> as part of our sponsorship, worldperks members can save 25% on
> northwest airlines "music in the zoo" summer concert series packages as
> well as individual tickets to the indigo girls shows.

   wow -- i think it's because my father is in the "lives on
airplanes" class of frequent fliers, but we got free passes to the blues
brothers show in indy two summers ago.
   my mom and i went, sat way close.  all the people there were affluent
boomers.  she bet me $5 that they'd all leave when they started "sweet
home chicago," to avoid traffic -- by the end of shc, there were
approximately 10 people left.
   it was the funniest thing i've ever seen.  well, besides them lisbin's,
that is...

   darius

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hi everyone,

just wondering if anyone knew when the honour the earth tour will be taking
place this year.. i can't find any updated news on their website..

thanks,

melanie :)

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  i'm sitting here doing work, listening to the radio when i hear joan jett
doing a rocking cover of tommy roe's "crimson and  clover"... i could totally
see amy doing this song. just a thought. okie, maybe i should get some sleep.
night all.

take care,
-di

           p.s.  for all those dallas listies you may want to head down to
deep ellum this satruday night, may 6th  for the women rockin '4 women 2000
festival. it runs from 9:00pm-2am,  15 local female bands are partcipating
with all the proceeds going to the new beginning center in dallas. this is a
non-profit agency serving victims of domestic violence and their families.
http://www.womenrockin4women.org  check it out.

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it seems to me that  amy did this soc  during
touch me fall ,  at northrop auditorium  on july 17, 1994, too   but i'm
not certain and curiousity is getting the better of me!!  can anyone
help me confirm that?

i have searched lifeblood and didn't find it ( i found gobs of
chickenman soc's but no touch me fall)  i'm waiting for lifeblood to
contact me
in the meantime are their other very good sites i miht check and can
anyone send me ltheir links?

thanks

:-) barb

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i'd like to add that i am not staunch on this issue, i  just want  to
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i beg to differ with amy ray in saying  tat because hrc is anti-abortion
they are slamming women. i mean doesn't  human
rights campaign mean more than just gay rights/women's rights  but
baby's rights too.

peace

barb


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the show and date of the "i will not be complacent" soc that you'll are
looking for is:  red rocks, co - 8/13/94.

an awesome show (almost soundboard quality) - this is the same show that
ghost from 1200 curfews was taken.

=)
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>the show and date of the "i will not be complacent" soc that you'll are
>looking for is:  red rocks, co - 8/13/94.
>
>an awesome show (almost soundboard quality) - this is the same show that
>ghost from 1200 curfews was taken.

... and soon to be part of my next big boot cdr offer, paired with another
red rocks show from 91, so keep an eye out for details...

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i know that it's scheduled for october, but nothing more.


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sun jun 25 duluth mn decc auditorium


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in a message dated 5/4/00 5:03:04 am eastern daylight time,
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<< i beg to differ with amy ray in saying  tat because hrc is anti-abortion
they are slamming women. i mean doesn't  human
rights campaign mean more than just gay rights/women's rights  but
baby's rights too.

peace

barb >>


and hrc is not anti-abortion.  in their 20 history they have supported
several hundreds of pro-gay candidates, as far as i can recall just one of
them happened to be anti-abortion.

indi

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mails with the subject iloveyou are virus infected.

do not open it!

do not open the attachment!


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for more information on this one, there's a news story here

http://www.msnbc.com/news/403350.asp

and symantec will be posting ore info soon

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ (this is a good one to bookmark)

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while this subject seems to have a longer shelf life than "tv-dinners", i
would pop in w/ my agreement.

and, boy am i going to get slammed on this one....

i was intrigued by the al d'amato endorsement.    what does an advocacy
group do when there is a candidate who has shown support for some their
interests and not just when it was expediant?  al d couldn't possibly have
thought, "well, if i do this & this, then i'll get the hrc endorsement".

also, i think the whole log cabin/george w things is spiralling into
absurdity, however.  if they endorse bush at their convention, it will
relegate the group to a laughable asterisk.  seriously, how's this for a
pitch..."ok, if you promise to slam us, we'll publicly endorse you!"

melissa

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> i'd like to add that i am not staunch on this issue, i  just want  to
> get people thinking.
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i am in the process of creating a short (15-25 pages) resource guide for
gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered youth in the maine area, and i am
looking for input from the list as to what all of you think are important
areas to be covered.
so far i am including a list of organizations in the area such as support
groups, hotlines and youth groups, hiv testing sites, etc.
i am also planning on including some literature on what it means to be
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out and/or coming to terms with one's sexuality.
i am thinking of including some coming out stories or short writings. if
anyone is interrested in sharing some of their stories or other writings
(poetry, prose) i would be very appreciative.
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yeah, this one is the real deal, kids. it has especially
hit hard in the uk and is like the melissa virus that swept the
us a few months ago. so let's be careful out there!

cheers,
kc

(who's kind of lurking these days)


ryan blackhawke wrote:

> for more information on this one, there's a news story here
>
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/403350.asp
>
> and symantec will be posting ore info soon
>
> http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ (this is a good one to bookmark)
>
> ryan
>
> > -----original message-----
>
> > mails with the subject iloveyou are virus infected.
> >
> > do not open it!
> >
> > do not open the attachment!
> >
>
> --
> do not quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the list.
> indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
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hi karen,

this sounds like an excellent project. i would recommend some
movies and books for young adults, especially the documentary
about kelly peterson in salt lake city called out of the past.
it documents peterson taking on her high school and eventually
the state legislature by attempting to start a glbt/straight alliance
at her school and includes some great historical information as well.
very inspiring. also the documentary about harvey milk called
the times of harvey milk. he was the first out elected gay official
in the u.s. and he was assassinated during his time in office. it's
also deeply inspiring.

so those are a few suggestions. good luck with your project!
kc

karen parker wrote:

> i am in the process of creating a short (15-25 pages) resource guide for
> gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered youth in the maine area, and i am
> looking for input from the list as to what all of you think are important
> areas to be covered.
> so far i am including a list of organizations in the area such as support
> groups, hotlines and youth groups, hiv testing sites, etc.
> i am also planning on including some literature on what it means to be
> "queer" and some ways to find safe and comfortable environments for coming
> out and/or coming to terms with one's sexuality.
> i am thinking of including some coming out stories or short writings. if
> anyone is interrested in sharing some of their stories or other writings
> (poetry, prose) i would be very appreciative.
> any suggestions of organizations or other information to include would be
> really great.
> thanks so much,
> karen
> f3931kap@hotmail.com
> or
> karen.m.parker@maine.edu

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and just let me take this opportunity to remind everyone here that
opening an unsolicited file is never a good idea, no matter what the
source.  if you have friends who send you "cute little .exe" programs
all the time, tell them of your new policy and ask them to stop.  if you
haven't asked for the file, or you didn't go to a reputable download
site and download it for yourself, just smile happily to yourself as you
press the delete key.

i've had this policy ever since i got on the internet, about 12 years
ago (eek!), and have never been hit by even the smallest, least harmful
virus, etc.  it may piss off some of your friends who don't know any
better than to just forward everything that comes their way, but i'd
rather have a pissed off friend than a fresh, clean harddrive...

"kuppe, andrea" wrote:
>
> mails with the subject iloveyou are virus infected.
>
> do not open it!
>
> do not open the attachment!

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ig and joan jett played crimson and clover live together at madison
square garden in nyc a few years ago.  it was rockin'.

erica

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wednesday 3 may 5:01 pm

          ranger water leak raises questions about
          kakadu

          the gundjehmi aboriginal corporation says the leak of contaminated
water from the ranger uranium
          mine raises questions about the mining company's ability to protect
kakadu national park.

          the mining company, era, has confirmed there has been a leak at the
mine, which is surrounded by
          the world heritage-listed park.

          the aboriginal corporation's jacqui katona says the leak is further
evidence the proposed jabiluka
          mine should not go ahead.

          "this is precisely why the mirrar [people] have terrible fears about
jabiluka proceeding, because it's in
          a far less stable geographic position than the ranger uranium mine,"
she said.

          "the likelihood of accidents at jabiluka are far greater.

          "we're seeing this mining company not capable of undertaking its
obligations at its present site and we
          hold no confidence at all that the company can undertake any
obligations at the proposed jabiluka
          site."

          ms katona says the leak raises questions about era's ability and
commitment to protect the
          environment.

          "we want to make sure that the areas surrounding the jabiluka proposed
mine, kakadu national
          park, are protected," she said.

          "these are areas where we harvest our food; aboriginal people have
been taking vast amounts of fish
          in the last month from that particular area and we don't believe the
company can guarantee that there
          hasn't been a detrimental effect outside of the mine site."


          federal concern

          the federal government says it is concerned it took era more than
three weeks to report the leak.
          but the government says it appears there has been no significant
environmental impact on kakadu.
          era says it found out on april 5 that contaminated water with high
levels of manganese had leaked
          into a wetlands area on the mining lease.
          but it did not tell the authorities until april 28.

          federal resources minister nick minchin and the environment minister,
robert hill, say they are
          concerned about the delay and era has been asked for an explanation.
          senator hill's office says monitoring by the office of the supervising
scientist has not shown any
          impact on the park.  the office will report on the incident to the
federal government in a few days and its findings will be
          made public.

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sorry for the nigc, but since this virus is legit ...

the following site contains instructions for disinfection of the iloveyou
virus.

http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/web4lib/archive/0005/0061.html

-bon

p.s. make sure you follow instruction #10!

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this is a true virus.  however if you don't use outlook, or another microsoft mail type product you will be fine.  the code is an easy one to crack.

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from:         bonster <bonster@drizzle.com>
subject:      re: nigc: virus disinfection/ red rocks
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true indeed. i probably should have specified that in my original
post. another reason to utilize unix/linux :)

on thu, 4 may 2000, neil johnson wrote:

> this is a true virus.  however if you don't use outlook, or another microsoft mail type product you will be fine.  the code is an easy one to crack.

igc:

does anyone have any idea if a second red rocks show will be added? it
seems so *wrong* to have just one.

-bon

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hey, y'all, i'm so excited because spitfire and jammin' on main in cincy
are only a few days away!

for those of you going to jammin' on main, i would like to recommend that
you also see tracy walker.  she is playing right before ig, on the main
stage (she's 8:50 to 9:40 and ig are 10:10 to 11:45).  if you are not
familiar with her, she is a very talented local folk artist.  i love her by
herself, but when she gets with her band, it's even more fun.


liz


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your lover's arms, grab the hand of the person standing right next to you
and show them you are not afraid of who you are."
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its real alright! my company sent out this email about it and my manager
also said it shut down the british parliment. (i dont have factual info on
that...just what she said!!)

cara


>from: kristen curry <kccurry@us.oracle.com>
>reply-to: kristen curry <kccurry@us.oracle.com>
>to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
>subject: re: virus warning
>date: thu, 4 may 2000 09:26:15 -0700
>
>yeah, this one is the real deal, kids. it has especially
>hit hard in the uk and is like the melissa virus that swept the
>us a few months ago. so let's be careful out there!
>
>cheers,
>kc
>
>(who's kind of lurking these days)
>
>
>ryan blackhawke wrote:
>
> > for more information on this one, there's a news story here
> >
> > http://www.msnbc.com/news/403350.asp
> >
> > and symantec will be posting ore info soon
> >
> > http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ (this is a good one to bookmark)
> >
> > ryan
> >
> > > -----original message-----
> >
> > > mails with the subject iloveyou are virus infected.
> > >
> > > do not open it!
> > >
> > > do not open the attachment!
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hey all..tonight on fox is this tv guid e behind the scenes show and one of
the shows is facts of life!!!!!! joe!!!!!! hehehe:) i wonder what scandals
went on on my fav show ever!! :) just thought id share. here is the
listing!!

cara

fox
                 9:00pm      tv guide's truth behind the sitcom scandals 5 -
''welcome back kotter,'' ''roseanne'' and ''the facts
                       of life.''(cc)(tv14)
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since we're on the subject of viruses...

does anyone know anything about happy99.exe? i know my computer has been
infected with it for several months. it's some kind worm that attaches itself
to mail sent through outlook. i never use outlook anymore, but would like to
know how to rid myself of this pesky little critter! i've heard horror
stories of computers completely dying from this thing and i've been lucky so
far, but you never know...

thanks y'all!
megan


"we've got to learn to respect what we don't understand." - a.r.
"when you're learning to face the path at your pace, every choice is worth
your while." - e.s.

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norton's virus definitions out today include a fix for this virus. you can
download it here if you can get there. it's swamped.

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/download.html

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hey folks!

delurking for a second... i'm considering going to newport folk festival this
year, and i thought i'd get some info about it from those of you out there
who have been in the recent past.  i'd just like some general info about it-
stuff like what the venue is like, if parking sucks, how to acquire tix, and
stuff like that.  my intent is to see the girls there this year if they're
gonna be there.  in fact, if you have any info about this year's event,
please send me that as well.  thanks a bunch!!  please email me privately,
don't email to the list.

amy

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actually i think alot of people would be interested in this if any
news...thanks...

from: amy teplow <ndgotx@aol.com>
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date: thu, 4 may 2000 19:27:01 edt

hey folks!

delurking for a second... i'm considering going to newport folk festival
this
year, and i thought i'd get some info about it from those of you out there
who have been in the recent past.  i'd just like some general info about it-
stuff like what the venue is like, if parking sucks, how to acquire tix, and
stuff like that.  my intent is to see the girls there this year if they're
gonna be there.  in fact, if you have any info about this year's event,
please send me that as well.  thanks a bunch!!  please email me privately,
don't email to the list.

amy

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hello again,

if anyone else would like me to pass this info on, just email your request to
me, and i'll compile the info and post it all in about 2 weeks.  sound good?
cool.

amy
(thanks for the suggestion <ig4me@hotmail.com>)

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subject:      re: fw: ig in new book!
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fyi- i've added the following title to the favorite books list.

http://www.bonster.com/booklist.html

if anyone has read this book and would like to send me a review, i'd be
grateful.

thank you to all the listees who have sent me reviews so far. please keep
'em coming!

sincerely,
your friendly neighborhood librarian

> ---------- forwarded message ----------
> date: sun, 30 apr 2000 21:44:52 -0400
> from: flora brown <flora_brown@brown.edu>
> to: ig-news@smoe.org
> subject: [ig-news] ig in new book!
>
> check out "i know just what you mean: the power of friendship in women's
> lives" by ellen goodman and patricia o'brien (simon & schuster, 2000) -
> there is a very large chunk devoted to amy and emily.  the section about
> the indigo girls (specifically, their relationship with each other, based
> around an interview) begins on page 199 (and runs until 205, and also
> includes a picture).

*snip*

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hey all,
        i was just checking the ticketmaster site and i know both the iowa dates
are supposed to go on sale tomorrow, friday, but i only see ames, ia.,
listed and nothing on the cedar rapids date. i heard they were both selling
through ticketmaster, but now i'm a little nervous. any information would
be much appreciated.
thanks,
michelle

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dearest listees:

i know there are a couple of people on the list who know how to order
custom-made bumperstickers.  would you please send me that info?  thanks.

i am not on the big list right now, so please reply privately, thank you.

garian

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date:         thu, 4 may 2000 06:05:56 -0600
reply-to:     carolyn <underdog@earthlink.net>
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hi,

a new section has been created on the lifeblood site (www.lifeblood.net) to
house amys socs.  to the best of my knowledge she has done them over the
years during all along the watchtower, pushing the needle to far, god in
heaven (when she has guested with the ellen james society), touch me fall,
and chickenman.  i've only got a handful up on the site right now, but will
be working to steadily transcribe more as time allows and add them to the
site.  if you have transcriptions of any, or have recordings and would not
mind transcribing them, if you would like to pass them along it would be a
big help in speeding up the adding of information to this section of the
site.  embedded in the body of an e-mail message, a text attachment, or a
word attachment would all be great ways of sending them to this e-mail address.

lifeblood currently hosts over 7,000 html pages of information on indigo girls.

thanks for the bandwidth and have a super day,

carolyn

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i remember in '95 the list peeps were transcribing the socs and putting them
on someone's webpage....does anybody remember that?

jude :)

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reply-to:     melissa gordon <melissa@ce1.com>
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hey, everyone, isn't carolyn (hostess of lifelbood.net) just wonderful.

i remember back in 95 when i ordered copies of the print version of
lifeblood fm you.

thanks for all of your hard work!

melissa

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> hi,
>
> a new section has been created on the lifeblood site (www.lifeblood.net)
to
> house amys socs.  to the best of my knowledge she has done them over the
> years during all along the watchtower, pushing the needle to far, god in
> heaven (when she has guested with the ellen james society), touch me fall,
> and chickenman.  i've only got a handful up on the site right now, but
will
> be working to steadily transcribe more as time allows and add them to the
> site.  if you have transcriptions of any, or have recordings and would not
> mind transcribing them, if you would like to pass them along it would be a
> big help in speeding up the adding of information to this section of the
> site.  embedded in the body of an e-mail message, a text attachment, or a
> word attachment would all be great ways of sending them to this e-mail
address.
>
> lifeblood currently hosts over 7,000 html pages of information on indigo
girls.
>
> thanks for the bandwidth and have a super day,
>
> carolyn
>
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hey kind friends,

this saturday, may 6, from 1 pm - 6 pm, will be the folk feast 2000. this is
a multi-performer event benefiting the eating disorders association of wny.

please join us (with a $5.00 donation) at the woldman theatre, norton hall
(112) at ubs north campus.

come for all, or just for some. the performers and times are:

aerin tedesco: 1:00 - 1:40

mike maffei and kim kearns: 1:50 - 2:30

joe lamay and sherri reese: 2:40 - 3:20

tim baldwin: 3:30 - 4:10

mari anderson: 4:20 - 5:00

jessica grant: 5:10 - 5:40

i have detailed directions if needed - a chance to hear some great music
from a group of socially conscious artists and benefit a worthy cause at the
same time....

thanks, y'all....

tim
web page - http://www.havanamoon.8m.com/
mp3 site - http://www.mp3.com/timbaldwin
check out my new radio station - http://www.mp3.com/stations/strange_fire

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melissa gordon writes<< thanks for all your hard work.>>

yea, carolyn,

i second that comment!  i  got a few soc's  there myself  over te years.
i had no access to
internet  at home, so i would buss it  90 mins
to the library  and your site was one of the places i always visited.

making "peace tonight" with a "cold beer and remote control."

barb

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        hey, folkses -
        after much exchange of email, it's official - my housemates and i
are hosting beth amsel (of voices on the verge fame) for a house concert
in west philadelphia on saturday, june 3rd. to hear some of beth's music,
go here:

        www.folkweb.com/bethamsel

or else link from folkweb to her own home page, where there are some
different song clips. the realaudio is sh*tty, of course, and fails to
capture what is arguably the best thing about her, which is her stunning,
hundred-colored voice. although her songs are pretty impressive, too. oh,
heck, she's just amazing all-around. don't miss it.
        we're asking $10 for the evening, and we will have beverages and
snackish things on hand as well. if you want more information, or if you'd
like to make reservations (and please do so if you plan to attend) you can
email me at this address (eburton@brynmawr.edu). also, if you're on any
other folk mailing lists, please forward this along to get the word out.
        hope to see some of you there....
        mandy


                if i have a care in the world
                i have a gift to bring....

                                *emily saliers*


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subject:      re: mmow, hrc and the queer community
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<<i love my ig but they aren"t perfect.>>

aint that right!  i don't think th girls agr with each other,  on that
either.  didn't  this discussion below take place in an interview
posted here awhile ago:

(something like this on hrc)

emily: "but i wouldn't  slam them for it though"
amy:  "i  would."

i've always been  an amy girl somewhat,  she's
so  wonderful and all, yet  this last year i've been listenning to some
of what she says  more
carefully,  and now i'm seeing her differently,  and it seems she's so
politically correct now,  bold, and aloof.

emily seems to be so much more down to earth
when i met her she was so much more approachable,  like she really does
appreciate
meeting people.  she  has a lot to say but she does it more through her
music, and her writing...very thoughtful.


peace

barb

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man this list is so fantastic!! i spend hours just
reading and responding to the emails on here,
it's so fun to write here!

take care,

barb

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i don't know if i agree with you totally barb...i think amy has always been
very poitically correct, and very bold about it...
and i really think amy appreaciates meeting her fans as well, and actually i
have had an easier time getting through to amy then emily...
both times i have had my oppurtunities emily has been very not sociable, but
especially this last time, amy was very sincere, and heart warming...
this is not a flame, it is not intended that way...just mho...
peace and love,
        carrie

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hkf's,

just updated my site w/ all of the current/recent on sale info and here's
stuff going on sale today and this weekend:

06/22/00 apple valley, mn  music in the zoo
on sale: 05/06/00 *no phone sales* (612)989-5151 (local tm)

06/23/00 apple valley, mn  music in the zoo
on sale: 05/06/00 *no phone sales* (612)989-5151 (local tm)

06/27/00 ames, ia  stevens auditorium
on sale: 05/05/00 - 10:00am  (515)233-1888 (local tm)

06/28/00 cedar rapids, ia  paramount theatre
on sale: 05/05/00 - 10:00am  (319)363-1888 (local tm)
* ??? - call tm anyway *

07/09/00 denver, co  red rocks amphitheatre
on sale: 05/06/00 - 12:00pm  (303)830-8497 (local tm)

let me know any changes to the above or new additions.  don't know what to
say about the cedar rapids show - it used to be on tm and now it's not.
plus we're still waiting on the fate of the 6/3 atlanta show.  let me/us
know about anything else!

cinqo de mayo!!! et music de midtown!!!

a+e=ig

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hello

i haven't seen any posts about the orlando show (5/3) yet so i thought
i'd post the setlist.  we were lucky enough to get a setlist after the
show.  my husband asked the stage hand as the curtain was closing
across the stage and he was nice enough to pull it up off the floor.

  woodsong
  three hits
  least complicated
  ozilline
  soon be to nothing
  closer to fine                        (setlist had chickenman here)
  cold beer and remote control
  land of canaan
  love will come to you
  romeo and juliet              (indicated as amy solo on the setlist)
  chickenman                    (selist had closer to fine here)
  go
  peace tonight
  shame on you
  get out the map
  kid fears

encore:
  gone again
  philosophy of loss            (not listed on the setlist)
  galileo


it was a great show !

tami

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cedar rapids show is showing up on ticketmaster online
now. twenty mintues and counting - hoping for good
seats . . .
:)carrie

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sorry for the nigc, but i have a question about the napster
controversey.  i'm reading an article in the paper about how some signed
bands regard the disemination of their music as stealing (which it is,
in my opinion, because they don't get royalties), and hey, i know the
reasons why people do it - "i only do it for those who upon hearing it
will go out and buy a copy" [which i have done many times in the past.
i don't know how many cds i've purchased because a freiend has made me a
mix tape of new music].  so, my intention is not to resurrect this
argument, but i genuinely want to know why bands who oppose it put up
with it.  my question (and i really don't know anything else about
napster except the obvious that i've already stated), but if some
musicians are opposed to their music being available, why do they allow
their music to even be on napster?  why can't they get a court order or
something which demands that their music be removed?  seems like such a
simple solution - if in fact, this is a possible solution.  does anyone
know the answer?

elaine

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folk duo with backing band who've sold 7 million
              albums, been nominated for 6 grammy awards, and
              toured worldwide. tickets go on sale saturday, may
              6 at 10 am at the washington pavilion box office,
              (605) 367-7397, or toll free 1-877 wash pav.

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on fri, 5 may 2000, elaine bean wrote:

> i don't know how many cds i've purchased because a freiend has made me a
> mix tape of new music].  so, my intention is not to resurrect this
> argument, but i genuinely want to know why bands who oppose it put up
> with it.

   part of it is that they rally don't understand the underlying technical
details.  some bands are apathetic -- witness bono: "i'm overpaid,
overnourished."  remember, artists are busy writing, recording, and
touring, and many of them are just hearing about this stuff now -- witness
the dr. dre and metallica suit.

> why can't they get a court order or something which demands that their
> music be removed?

   well, here's the game - nobody's really sure what the rules are when it
comes to whether service provider should be responsible for what happens
on their networks.  napster claims that they're not responsible for what
people do with their service, and have a little thing saying "you
shouldn't violate copyright law."
   what's happening there is that is clearly not the case -- how often
does one even find "grey" legal stuff like show bootlegs on napster?  all
i manage to dredge up is released stuff.
   for those following the shots, napster basically said that they can't
track the copyright violations.  metallica hired a firm and gave them a
list of several thousand screen names and ip addresses.  (nice call
of the bluff, imho.)  that's a wake-up call for everybody, no matter what
you think of the whole debacle -- the 'net's not quite as anonymous as it
looks.

   personally, i'm big on the mp3 format as a fun toy and a good way to
bring my entire cd collection to work.  but, even putting monetary
concerns aside, i do believe that an artist should have control over the
presentation of their work.  part of that is the process that goes into
mastering a cd, and the quality degradation ain't cool.  plus you have
liner notes (pearl jam does this really well...), and all sorts of other
stuff.

   i applaud the artists who are brave enough to send their stuff out
there on the wire.  but i'm willing to respect musicians' wishes enough to
wait for them to take the initiative.  until then, i'm just very selective
about the albums i buy.

   darius

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i finally managed to get tickets online.  they went on
sale around 10:15 according to my clocks.  apparently
the rest of the fans had the same problem, because i
ended up with row b seats.  after studying the seating
chart onlin, i still couldn't decipher where my seats
were given the numbers and letters.  i called the
ticket office at stephens auditorium, and asked the
guy to tell me where my seats were.  he said they put
three rows in front, separated from the rest of the
venue, and my seat is in the second row of the special
three-row section, side emily.  that fifteen minutes
of "why aren't tickets on sale yet" stress was worth
it.  anyone else got tickets yet - will there be
enough for a listmeet?  i'm happy to organize one
:)carrie

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date:         fri, 5 may 2000 11:59:52 -0400
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subject:      ? re emily chat today
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    hey ya'll!
    just curious if anyone is or has the capabilities to save a copy of =
the chat with emily today...i will unfortunately be at work but would =
*love* to get a copy of it!  hope those of you who will be online with =
her have a great time!  happy cinco de mayo!  :)
    ...stacy

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date:         fri, 5 may 2000 12:11:25 edt
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what an amazing setlist!  can i hope that'll mean something of the sort for
tonight's show?  or, maybe it will be very different.  ah, either way i'll
be a happy camper!
but really - the wood song, love will come to you, romeo & juliet all in the
same setlist!  wow.

>   woodsong
>   three hits
>   least complicated
>   ozilline
>   soon be to nothing
>   closer to fine                        (setlist had chickenman here)
>   cold beer and remote control
>   land of canaan
>   love will come to you
>   romeo and juliet              (indicated as amy solo on the setlist)
>   chickenman                    (selist had closer to fine here)
>   go
>   peace tonight
>   shame on you
>   get out the map
>   kid fears
>
>encore:
>   gone again
>   philosophy of loss            (not listed on the setlist)
>   galileo
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date:         fri, 5 may 2000 09:40:38 -0700
reply-to:     shannon curnutte <shannonc@oregon.uoregon.edu>
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at 11:16 am 5/5/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>...i genuinely want to know why bands who oppose it put up
>with it.  my question (and i really don't know anything else about
>napster except the obvious that i've already stated), but if some
>musicians are opposed to their music being available, why do they allow
>their music to even be on napster?  why can't they get a court order or
>something which demands that their music be removed?  seems like such a
>simple solution - if in fact, this is a possible solution.  does anyone
>know the answer?
>
>elaine

first of all, napster doesn't actually hold any music on its servers... it
provides a means of connection between napster users... when one signs on
to napster, all of their music (in whatever folder(s) they specify to the
program) is shared with all other users... so it wouldn't be very easy for
napster to remove all songs by any particular artist... they'd have to set
up a filter for the artist's name, which still wouldn't catch typos, might
eliminate other artists and songs accidentally, and could be gotten around
by making slight changes to file names... beyond that, as soon as anyone
brings down, or puts restrictions on, napster or any other source of mp3s,
people will find/create other ways... gnutella, for example, is a lot like
napster, but less (possibly not at all) corporate - i haven't really looked
into it, but i have a lot of friends who use it almost exclusively
anymore... so there's no real way for bands and record companies to keep up...

shannon

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tm sucks.  i couldn't order my tickets due to the fact that they didn't have their choices for "methods of delivery up..." so, the stupid site wouldn't allow me to order tickets.

tm bites it.

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basically metallica and dr dree are the two most vocal oppents of napster,
saying its copright infringement. napster (which i am now addicted too!!)
says its not copyright infringement cuz they arent selling anytning, they
are just opening the doors so ppl can they can trade w/ eachother! (once you
registered and download w/ napster you can find any song you want or any
artist and it will search hundreds of  thousands of databases of other uses
of napster and then you click on the song and it will download it from their
computer to yours and vice versa) metallica has compiled a list of 3 or 4
hundred thousand ppl that have traded these files and is demanding napster
take all those accounts off or sumtin like that. theyll probally want em to
delate all files of metallica on the databases or sumtin. then mp3.com just
got sued and lost so im snappin up my mp3 files as fast as i can before this
stuff all goes crazy!! :) hope that helps!

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emily chat at 415 easter, 115 pacific at artist direct! (just a reminder)
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go napster!!!!!!!

have a wonderful weekend!!

cara


>from: elaine bean <bean@neu.edu>
>reply-to: elaine bean <bean@neu.edu>
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>date: fri, 5 may 2000 11:16:03 -0400
>
>sorry for the nigc, but i have a question about the napster
>controversey.  i'm reading an article in the paper about how some signed
>bands regard the disemination of their music as stealing (which it is,
>in my opinion, because they don't get royalties), and hey, i know the
>reasons why people do it - "i only do it for those who upon hearing it
>will go out and buy a copy" [which i have done many times in the past.
>i don't know how many cds i've purchased because a freiend has made me a
>mix tape of new music].  so, my intention is not to resurrect this
>argument, but i genuinely want to know why bands who oppose it put up
>with it.  my question (and i really don't know anything else about
>napster except the obvious that i've already stated), but if some
>musicians are opposed to their music being available, why do they allow
>their music to even be on napster?  why can't they get a court order or
>something which demands that their music be removed?  seems like such a
>simple solution - if in fact, this is a possible solution.  does anyone
>know the answer?
>
>elaine
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hey all,

i've been trying to figure out the lyrics to amy's new lucy stoners song
(from the cornell boot) and i need some help!
i've pretty much got the second verse nailed and the gist of the other
verses (give or take a few words), but i'm stuck on the chorus. which i
guess is the important part! amy's expressing some bitterness towards
rolling stone, that much is clear!
this is just what i hear, i'm sure some of it's wrong, so if anyone can fill
in the blanks for me or correct any of it, please go ahead :-)

**********
lucy stoners (amy ray)

we were talking of taking something
to try to put our finger on anything
to quantify the undoing
each little strip, it's just a lack of (?)
on the refridgerator down at the (?) club
there's little magnets of poetry
finding 100 different ways to say nothing

(chorus 1)
(?)
(?)
rolling stones ......(?)......
gave the boys what they deserve
but with the girls it lost its nerve

in a post-punk bar there's a dressing room wall
where the rock poet band will make its mark
a hundred different pictures of private parts
and some girl going down
and there's a faggot-bashing poetry
but the boys are just saying 'love me, please'
with every hate-filled phrase you just give it away
boys you give yourself away

(chorus 1 rpt)

distant 1-2-3 in the marketplace
it's a demographic case disgrace
stupid secret white boy handshake
that we'll never be part of
so when it's dj flow in the morning show
i give you 100 reasons to just say no
i said come on girls, let's go right now
oh girls, let's go right now

(chorus 2)
lucy stoners
don't like boners
ain't no man could ever own her
(?) she had the nerve
to give the girls what they deserve

(chorus 2 rpt)

*********

i didn't know quite what to make of this song when i first heard it, but i
like it more and more as i listen to it. i hope it's on her solo album :-)
i especially love the 'woohoo' thing she does at the end of the choruses. it
reminds me a little of blur's song 2. i never thought i'd ever be comparing
amy with damon albarn, but there you go, it's a funny old world!

while i'm on the subject of lyrics, someone posted here ages ago (christie i
think?) about the words that amy might be murmuring during the last verse of
trouble. i meant to reply, but i lost the email. but as no-one else has
responded to the initial post, i just want you to know that you are not
imagining things, amy is defin saying something, and i'd love to know what
it is! the only part i can make out sounds like "michelle says she finds a
breath" and then something about "bringing revolution". hmm, makes perfect
sense ;-)

one more thing before i crawl back under my rock. i'm contemplating going to
newport this year (assuming the girls confirm), so if anyone has any advice
for me or inside info on accommodation or whatever, please get in touch.
please email me off-list, i don't want to be responsible for starting up the
'blanket wars' again!

take care,

jen

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yeah, i'm going to try and get in too but i don't have much luck at
getting in on chats, (webtv
isn't too good for that ) soooooo.  if anyone could get a transcript and
post it, that would be great.   thanks

peace

barb

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i called ticketmaster from my parents' house for cedar rapids tickets at
the paramount (we got row m, which i think is 13th row from the front, in
the orchestra section on the main floor, seats 17 and 19. i'm not sure if
these are in the center or side sections...i couldn't tell from the seating
chart.
        and my husband called from our house for ames tickets. we got sixth row,
and they told him we're on the left side, seats 15 and 16, which i hope are
more to the center than side, of course.
        so, all in all, i'm pretty pleased and think it'll be worth a 10+ hour
drive to see ig twice in as many days. i would love to do a listmeet, so
let me know carrie. is anyone going to both shows too?
        i'm already excited about the road trip:)
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> date: friday, may 05, 2000 10:53 am
>
> i finally managed to get tickets online.  they went on
> sale around 10:15 according to my clocks.  apparently
> the rest of the fans had the same problem, because i
> ended up with row b seats.  after studying the seating
> chart onlin, i still couldn't decipher where my seats
> were given the numbers and letters.  i called the
> ticket office at stephens auditorium, and asked the
> guy to tell me where my seats were.  he said they put
> three rows in front, separated from the rest of the
> venue, and my seat is in the second row of the special
> three-row section, side emily.  that fifteen minutes
> of "why aren't tickets on sale yet" stress was worth
> it.  anyone else got tickets yet - will there be
> enough for a listmeet?  i'm happy to organize one
> :)carrie
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the best thing i've read all year (published on may 04, 2000)

sunday, april 30, 2000
by sharon underwood
for the valley news (white river junction, vt)

many letters have been sent to the valley news concerning the homosexual
menace in vermont. i am the mother of a gay son
and i've taken enough from you good people.

i'm tired of your foolish rhetoric about the "homosexual agenda" and your
allegations that accepting homosexuality is the same thing as advocating sex
with children. you are cruel and ignorant. you have been robbing me of the
joys of motherhood ever since my children were tiny.

my firstborn son started suffering at the hands of the moral little thugs
from your moral, upright families from the time he was in the first grade.
he was physically and verbally abused from first grade straight through high
school because he was perceived to be gay.

he never professed to be gay or had any association with anything gay,but he
had the misfortune not to walk or have gestures like the other boys. he was
called "fag" incessantly, starting when he was 6.

in high school, while your children were doing what kids that age should be
doing, mine labored over a suicide note, drafting and redrafting it to be
sure his family knew how much he loved them. my sobbing 17-year-old tore the
heart out of me as he choked out that he just couldn't bear to continue
living any longer, that he didn't want to be gay and that he couldn't face a
life without dignity.

you have the audacity to talk about protecting families and children from
the homosexual menace, while you yourselves tear apart families and drive
children to despair. i don't know why my son is gay, but i do know that god
didn't put him, and millions like him, on this earth to give you someone to
abuse. god gave you brains so that you could think, and
it's about time you started doing that.

at the core of all your misguided beliefs is the belief that this could
never happen to you, that there is some kind of subculture out there that
people have chosen to join. the fact is that if it can happen to my family,
it can happen to yours, and you won't get to choose. whether it is genetic
or whether something occurs during a critical time of fetal development, i
don't know. i can only tell you with an absolute certainty that it is
inborn.

if you want to tout your own morality, you'd best come up with something
more substantive than your heterosexuality. you did nothing to earn it; it
was given to you. if you disagree, i would be interested in hearing your
story, because my own heterosexuality was a blessing i received with no
effort whatsoever on my part. it is so woven into the very soul of me that
nothing could ever change it. for those of you who reduce sexual orientation
to a simple choice, a character issue, a bad habit or something that can be
changed by a 10-step program, i'm puzzled. are you saying that your own
sexual orientation is nothing more than something you have chosen, that you
could change it at will? if that's not the case, then why would you suggest
that someone else can?

a popular theme in your letters is that vermont has been infiltrated by
outsiders. both sides of my family have lived in vermont for generations. i
am heart and soul a vermonter, so i'll thank you to stop saying that you are
speaking for "true vermonters."

you invoke the memory of the brave people who have fought on the battlefield
for this great country, saying that they didn't give their lives so that the
"homosexual agenda" could tear down the principles they died defending. my
83-year-old father fought in some of the most horrific battles of world war
ii, was wounded and awarded the purple heart.

he shakes his head in sadness at the life his grandson has had to live. he
says he fought alongside homosexuals in those battles, that they did their
part and bothered no one. one of his best friends in the service was gay,
and he never knew it until the end, and when he did find out, it mattered
not at all. that wasn't the measure of the man.

you religious folk just can't bear the thought that as my son emerges from
the hell that was his childhood he might like to find a lifelong companion
and have a measure of happiness.  it offends your sensibilities that he
should request the right to visit that companion in the hospital, to make
medical decisions for him or to benefit from tax laws governing inheritance.

how dare he? you say. these outrageous requests would threaten the very
existence of your family, would undermine the sanctity of marriage.

you use religion to abdicate your responsibility to be thinking human
beings. there are vast numbers of religious people who find your attitudes
repugnant. god is not for the privileged majority, and god knows my son has
committed no sin.

the deep-thinking author of a letter to the april 12 valley news who
lectures about homosexual sin and tells us about "those of us who have been
blessed with the benefits of a religious upbringing" asks: "what ever
happened to the idea of striving . . . to be better human beings than we
are?"

indeed, sir, what ever happened to that?

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office of student life
university of pennsylvania
the carriage house
3930 irving street
philadelphia, pa 19104-3708

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whats going on?...is it now?...i cant find how to get to it...help..

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> whats going on?...is it now?...i cant find how to get to it...help..

        indigogirls.com. there's a direct link.
        mandy


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artistdirect: welcome everyone to
artistdirect: an indigo girl chat with
artistdirect: emily saliers, presented by
artistdirect: artistdirect.com!
artistdirect: .
artistdirect: emily is here and ready for your
artistdirect: questions on life, love, activism,
artistdirect: and everything in between.
artistdirect: .
artistdirect: so let's start chatting...
artistdirect: .
artistdirect: welcome, emily!
emily_saliers: hello to our friends out in cyberworld!
emily_saliers: *
askemily: car98-guest says: emily, other than music, i know you co-own a
restaurant and a nature preserve. could you tell us more about these
projects?
emily_saliers: i don't own a nature preserve.
emily_saliers: that's a wonderful rumor though.
emily_saliers: i co-own a restaurant called watershed
emily_saliers: in decatur, georgia.
emily_saliers: i have three other partners
emily_saliers: and they run it when i'm out of town.
emily_saliers: it's a joint venture,
emily_saliers: and we just run it out of fun,
emily_saliers: because we all like good food and good wine.
emily_saliers: come see us there!
emily_saliers: come eat there, it's really good!
emily_saliers: *
askemily: knatster says: i was wondering what is your favorite thing to do
when you have free time?
emily_saliers: it would have to be read.
emily_saliers: reading is my favorite thing to do.
emily_saliers: and, i love to be outside.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: jyard says: what's going on with you and amy making solo albums?
when do you expect your solo album to come out?
emily_saliers: amy's working on hers right now.
emily_saliers: and, i don't have any plans to begin my yet
emily_saliers: it's sort of like a distant
emily_saliers: pleasurable pursuit.
emily_saliers: and, it's something that amy and i
emily_saliers: i just want to do,
emily_saliers: and we feel like anything that we do
emily_saliers: individually that's creatively fulfilling
emily_saliers: only strengthens our partnership.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: jillybean says: please settle a bet between my friend and i! is the
little girl on the cover of "come on now social" you when you were younger?
if not... who is it?
emily_saliers: and amy's new songs are really great, and i'm
emily_saliers: looking forward to hearing it myself.
emily_saliers: to jillybean: no, it's not me,
emily_saliers: it's not amy,
emily_saliers: it's no one we know.
emily_saliers: we were originally going to use
emily_saliers: a photo of another child
emily_saliers: but couldn't get the rights to use it
emily_saliers: so, by that time we were really stuck on the idea
emily_saliers: of using a child on the cover.
emily_saliers: so, we started looking through some books
emily_saliers: and we found this photo.
emily_saliers: i think she's a little german girl,
emily_saliers: the photographer was german,
emily_saliers: but no, we've never met her.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: glowbug says: i have heard the chorus of the song "go" performed as
an addendum to other songs in the previous years... were there always plans
to make it into it's own song?
emily_saliers: amy worked on that song
emily_saliers: a long, long time,
emily_saliers: probably longer than any other song of hers,
emily_saliers: and i think the recent events that happened to us
emily_saliers: in south carolina,
emily_saliers: where a lot of our concerts were cancelled because
emily_saliers: we're gay
emily_saliers: and the protests by people who thought that was wrong
emily_saliers: provided her the needed inspiration to finish that song.
emily_saliers: i know that song means a lot to her personally.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: *jax* says: i've decided not to play softball in college so that i
could become conjoined twins with my guitar. did you ever play any sports and
do you feel that you had to ever give up anything for your love of music or
your career?
emily_saliers: good question!
emily_saliers: well, i am a huge sports fan,
emily_saliers: huge!
emily_saliers: and my favorite spectator sport is football,
emily_saliers: and i love to play golf,
emily_saliers: and i'll watch just about anything on television.
emily_saliers: and, i especially love women's sports,
emily_saliers: basketball,
emily_saliers: but, i never played sports.
emily_saliers: the competitiveness, i found a little intimidating.
emily_saliers: so, when i played sports it was like
emily_saliers: pick-up games with my friends.
emily_saliers: i guess i never had the "killer" instinct! [laughs]
emily_saliers: when i was applying for grad school,
emily_saliers: i was thinking about becoming an english teacher,
emily_saliers: but amy and i already had a career going.
emily_saliers: so, i made that choice and i have
emily_saliers: absolutely no regrets,
emily_saliers: except when i have to be away from home for so long.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: gigglegirl says: many people were suprised that the song "chiapas
bound" did not make it onto "shaming". why was this song not included?
emily_saliers: i'm not sure exactly.
emily_saliers: what happens when we make a record
emily_saliers: is we get a group of songs together
emily_saliers: usually half amy's and half mine,
emily_saliers: and we decide which songs work together better,
emily_saliers: and what it probably came down to in the end,
emily_saliers: though i don't remember exactly,
emily_saliers: is which songs amy and i decided were best for that album.
emily_saliers: but, you never know
emily_saliers: when songs crop up again,
emily_saliers: our next album is all acoustic
emily_saliers: and we may resurrect some of those
emily_saliers: new/old songs for that album.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: eckybay-guest says: hi emily... do you ever get tired of singing
closer to fine?
emily_saliers: no....[laughs]
emily_saliers: do you ever get tired of listening to it?
emily_saliers: it's just sort of become a fun, ra-ra song for us.
emily_saliers: we used to close every show with that,
emily_saliers: but once we moved it up in the set list, it took on a
different life
emily_saliers: and now it's just a fun hootenany song!
emily_saliers: *
askemily: angelfish says: i saw you in concert in berkeley, ca, and was blown
away (as usual!). during the concert, you asked the audience to help you with
the new york times crossword puzzle. do you do puzzles often, and what else
do you do to pass the time when you are on the road?
emily_saliers: i started doing crossword puzzles
emily_saliers: with our publicist who's also a friend
emily_saliers: and we especially like the nytimes sunday puzzle.
emily_saliers: and, that's how we got into it,
emily_saliers: they're addicting. and, i think you learn a lot from them.
emily_saliers: we also play scrabble,
emily_saliers: some people watch movies, though i don't enjoy
emily_saliers: them so much, the show is enough stimulation.
emily_saliers: we also listen to records,
emily_saliers: crank them up and zone out.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: bubberand says: i have worn out my vhs copy of "watershed" and i
have practically worn out my dvd! any plans to release a new home video soon?
emily_saliers: we've got the dvd coming out soon
emily_saliers: that hasn't been released yet.
emily_saliers: if you don't have it
emily_saliers: they're taking pre-orders
emily_saliers: at www.indigogirlsdirect.com
emily_saliers: and it's going to be available late summer
emily_saliers: if you already have a copy of that one,
emily_saliers: congratulations!
emily_saliers: *
bratccc: to ask emily your question(s) use the questions bar above your chat
window. no bar? type: /msg askemily <your question here>
askemily: kazzidy24 says: what was the inspiration for the extra track
"philosophy of loss" on "social"? why was this song hidden and not listed on
the album liner?
emily_saliers: the inspiration was
emily_saliers: particularly about the church rejecting
emily_saliers: gay people and how hurtful that is to me
emily_saliers: as an individual, a gay person
emily_saliers: and it was just about the way we as a society
emily_saliers: or a culture, rationalize our loss
emily_saliers: or the destruction that we create
emily_saliers: how we rationalize it.
emily_saliers: and, it was a hidden track because
emily_saliers: originally, amy wanted to make a pretty short record
emily_saliers: and as it was, we had twelve complete songs, but
emily_saliers: i was so attached to that song personally
emily_saliers: that we decided to make it a hidden track.
emily_saliers: so, we got the song on the album without making it part of the
emily_saliers: concise whole of 12 songs.
emily_saliers: i also like the idea of
emily_saliers: you've got the cd on, and you're
emily_saliers: listening it's just there, it's a nice surprise.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: guest-blacey says: as a 40 yr old straight girl trying to make my
peace with organized religion, i'm interested to know how you have (or if you
have) found a way to have a meaningful faith life as a lesbian. i'm wondering
what your feelings on this subject are. thanks for being an inspiration every
day of my life for the past 11 years!
emily_saliers: well, first of all,
emily_saliers: thanks for listening to the music.
emily_saliers: i have a really good
emily_saliers: relationship with my faith community
emily_saliers: at home.
emily_saliers: my father is a minister, and a
emily_saliers: theology professor.
emily_saliers: and, he's really open, and i
emily_saliers: consider him a leader, because he believes,
emily_saliers: and other leaders, believe, that those
emily_saliers: members of the church who are constantly
emily_saliers: voting to ostracize gay people are wrong.
emily_saliers: and, i believe that eventually things will change.
emily_saliers: i think a lot of things have to be taken in historical context,
emily_saliers: i'm not a fundamentalist,
emily_saliers: i think things have to be taken in context.
emily_saliers: and the main thing i get from the life of jesus is
emily_saliers: he was all about loving,
emily_saliers: people loving other people,
emily_saliers: even when they're different.
emily_saliers: and, i've searched my heart for many, many years
emily_saliers: and i'm grateful for my faith, and my faith community
emily_saliers: and i believe there are a lot of really good people
emily_saliers: in the church and i believe things will change.
emily_saliers: so, i'm not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater,
emily_saliers: for lack of a better phrase,
emily_saliers: i think all faiths have something to offer,
emily_saliers: and i think it's just about not getting caught up
emily_saliers: in the perversions of the teachings.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: peachy-guest says: emily, which do you write first-your lyrics, or
the music?
emily_saliers: i kind of do it at the same time.
emily_saliers: i'll usually start a chord progression
emily_saliers: and however it goes will direct me to
emily_saliers: choose lyrics, things i've been thinking about
emily_saliers: over a period of time.
emily_saliers: other times, there's something i really want to talk about
emily_saliers: and then i'll find a chord progression that goes with it.
emily_saliers: then, i'll just kind of hack around
emily_saliers: and find something that goes together, but
emily_saliers: it never quite captures what's in my mind.
emily_saliers: it's very difficult to write a song.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: mpwolfe says: hi emily! first i'd like to say that i love you and
amy and your music! i've seen you play both acoustic shows and with full band
and was wondering what you like best. see you again on june 9th at mann music
center! thanks so much! margaret wolfe mpwolfe@prodigy.net
emily_saliers: we're looking forward to being at
emily_saliers: the mann center, we've had
emily_saliers: some great nights there.
emily_saliers: i like playing both ways,
emily_saliers: honestly.
emily_saliers: right now, we're on an acoustic tour
emily_saliers: and it feels really good to play it like that
emily_saliers: to have the songs in their stripped-down versions.
emily_saliers: and, i think there's an intimacy that's created,
emily_saliers: not just with me and amy, but with the audience.
emily_saliers: you're able to hear the nuance of the harmonies more.
emily_saliers: but, playing with a band, and
emily_saliers: our band kicks ass!
emily_saliers: and, i'm thrilled to play with our band, when the
emily_saliers: bass kicks in.
emily_saliers: so, i'd say, with the band it's more of a rhythmic
emily_saliers: energy rush,
emily_saliers: and with amy it's more of intimate and gratifying in simple,
emily_saliers: basic way.
emily_saliers: i like it both ways, i hope our fans do, too.
emily_saliers: although, i'm sure some people have favorites.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: sharoane-guest says: many of your songs are musically very
complex...which of them (off the top of your head) do you consider the most
challenging...either to write or to play?
emily_saliers: good question.
emily_saliers: wow! i have to think a minute.
emily_saliers: well, none of them
emily_saliers: is difficult, really, anymore because
emily_saliers: i'm so used to playing them now.
emily_saliers: shed your skin was hard for awhile,
emily_saliers: with the band,
emily_saliers: because i had to play some guitar
emily_saliers: while i was singing
emily_saliers: and that was a kind of left brain
emily_saliers: right brain kind of challenge.
emily_saliers: but, none of them are really difficult.
emily_saliers: i think my early songs,
emily_saliers: way early, before amy and i were even together,
emily_saliers: were more complex because they were
emily_saliers: based on jazz chords, and were very intricate,
emily_saliers: but i haven't played those songs in a long, long time.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: ccostant says: hey emily. who's your favorite cartoon character and
why?
emily_saliers: [laughs]
emily_saliers: i've never watched a lot of cartoons,
emily_saliers: hmm, let me think.
emily_saliers: probably the tazmanian devil
emily_saliers: because his energy is so unfettered.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: sigmagirl says: "ghost" is the most touching song... pure poetry! i
have been listening to your music for a long time, and i have found that your
songs have spoken to me with different messages at different points in my
life. have you found this with your songs as well? how have your songs
effected you differently over time?
emily_saliers: and, i like the sounds he makes.
emily_saliers: to sigmagirl: sometimes you write a song
emily_saliers: and years down the line
emily_saliers: something else is going on in your life
emily_saliers: that makes that song particularly poignant.
emily_saliers: for instance, love will come to you,
emily_saliers: which was written a long time ago,
emily_saliers: and i'll go through a period where i don't
emily_saliers: think about love lost, or unrequited love,
emily_saliers: but then i'll know someone who's going through that
emily_saliers: and it'll just make that more intense.
emily_saliers: songs take on a life of their own and that's
emily_saliers: a good thing.
emily_saliers: on the new albums
emily_saliers: album
emily_saliers: soon be a nothing
emily_saliers: was a song i wrote when i
emily_saliers: was in a very uncomfortable state of being
emily_saliers: and now, when i sing it,
emily_saliers: it reminds me that i can go through
emily_saliers: a dark time and come through on the other end,
emily_saliers: so it's competely cathartic to sing.
emily_saliers: and, sometimes, songs are like an old shirts
emily_saliers: shirt
emily_saliers: that you have in your closet,
emily_saliers: and you haven't worn it in a while
emily_saliers: and you bring it out, put it on, and
emily_saliers: it's like wearing a new shirt.
emily_saliers: songs are like that too,
emily_saliers: sometimes you can sing an old song, and it's like new again.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: spaceygirl says: i loved your appearance in "boys on the side"! do
you have any plans to do movie appearances in the future?
emily_saliers: no.
emily_saliers: no movie appearances,
emily_saliers: that was kind of a fluke.
emily_saliers: but, i'd like us to continue to do music
emily_saliers: for film.
emily_saliers: and, ultimately, i'd like to compose music
emily_saliers: for films, not just soundtracks,
emily_saliers: but the actual music that's played during the film.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: rosepetal says: i read that you had written the song "leeds" while
in england, but had lost the words, only to find them later. what is the
story behind that?
emily_saliers: i wrote those words on
emily_saliers: a page in my franklin planner
emily_saliers: and i lost that franklin planner
emily_saliers: in australia, or some other country
emily_saliers: and somebody found it and returned it to me,
emily_saliers: and there were all these lyrics in the book,
emily_saliers: including the words to leeds.
emily_saliers: so, if i never would have gotten that
emily_saliers: back, i never would have written that song.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: hamm says: a huge thanks for your constant updates and notes to us
fans on the website... its so cool that you keep in touch with us like that!
emily, you recently mentioned that you had seen the movie "boys don't cry".
how has this movie effected you?
emily_saliers: i think about it a lot, actually.
emily_saliers: it was just so powerful,
emily_saliers: well acted,
emily_saliers: it just, for the sheer art of it,
emily_saliers: that was astounding.
emily_saliers: and then, the subject matter re-inspired me
emily_saliers: to become as active as possible in the gay rights movement.
emily_saliers: there are just so many people either
emily_saliers: transgender, bisexual, lesbian, or gay
emily_saliers: who could die for their sexuality, so
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emily_saliers: it was a very powerful reminder of that.
emily_saliers: and, just a fan, i think
emily_saliers: chloe sevigny is amazing!
emily_saliers: *
askemily: cowsrule52 says: i love you, i love the indigo girls. your music
has gripped my soul, strengthened my spirit, and gotten me through trying
times more times than i could count. is there/ are there a song(s) that you
or amy have written that, in retrospect, has helped you in your own personal
turmoil?
emily_saliers: definitely,
emily_saliers: soon be to nothing
emily_saliers: and
emily_saliers: it's alright
emily_saliers: that song just still fires me up.
emily_saliers: but, as i was saying earlier,
emily_saliers: songs take on lives of their own
emily_saliers: and they change over time.
emily_saliers: we recently played earth day,
emily_saliers: but before that we were up in d.c.
emily_saliers: for the protests
emily_saliers: and we played hammer and nail
emily_saliers: and it was really inspiring for me to hear
emily_saliers: the words of that song
emily_saliers: even though it was written so long ago,
emily_saliers: it just struck a chord in my heart,
emily_saliers: and that was a good feeling.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: ball0153 says: do you have any onstage bloopers that you would be
willing to share with us?
emily_saliers: [laugh]s
emily_saliers: the other night my earring fell out of my ear,
emily_saliers: that was fun!
emily_saliers: we forget lyrics and chords,
emily_saliers: a lot,
emily_saliers: and that's always fun!
emily_saliers: but, our fans are so cool
emily_saliers: that it's never a high pressure thing,
emily_saliers: so that's great.
emily_saliers: oh, i know one...
emily_saliers: we had a big concert in atlanta
emily_saliers: and i had just repaired my pants with
emily_saliers: black thread and needle
emily_saliers: and i forgot to take the needle off,
emily_saliers: and my friends, who were sitting in the front row,
emily_saliers: had to point out to me that i had a needle
emily_saliers: hanging down on my pants.
emily_saliers: that was pretty funny!
emily_saliers: other than that, just your basic
emily_saliers: banging your head into the microphone kinda thing.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: cjmasch says: has amy ever played one of her new songs for you and
your response was "huh? what the hell does that mean?" :)
bratccc: to ask emily your question(s) use the questions bar above your chat
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emily_saliers: [laughs]
emily_saliers: i've had to ask her what
emily_saliers: things mean before,
emily_saliers: not just once.
emily_saliers: but i always like her songs,
emily_saliers: i just like the way she writes.
emily_saliers: the only thing i have to do sometimes
emily_saliers: is clarify what she means by a line,
emily_saliers: and she has to do that with my songs, too.
emily_saliers: sometimes, we'll be doing an interview and
emily_saliers: explain what we mean,
emily_saliers: and the other one will be, oh, i didn't know that.
emily_saliers: but for the most part, we're pretty in touch
emily_saliers: with what the other is saying.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: rayanne says: you have long been known for your ballads, but on
"social" your songs have taken on a more rock edge. i love both the old and
new.... but i wonder why the change?
emily_saliers: i've been wanting to rock out for a long time
emily_saliers: and it wasn't until i started playing
emily_saliers: electric guitar more
emily_saliers: that i felt more free to do it,
emily_saliers: for whatever reason, because
emily_saliers: i don't think you have to have an
emily_saliers: electric guitar to rock out.
emily_saliers: i actually get tired of being just
emily_saliers: a ballad writer, because
emily_saliers: a lot of the music i love most is rock-n-roll.
emily_saliers: but, ballads come easiest
emily_saliers: and the other stuff i just keep working on.
emily_saliers: *
askemily: belvedere-guest says: what do you think of the lawsuit against
napster as a musician?
emily_saliers: i have really mixed feelings
emily_saliers: i have mixed feelings because
emily_saliers: there are internet opportunities
emily_saliers: that allow people access to so
emily_saliers: much more music than they might
emily_saliers: ordinarily have
emily_saliers: , but i can see it getting out of hand.
emily_saliers: i think artists should be paid fairly for their
emily_saliers: music if that's what they want to do for a living.
emily_saliers: so, my thoughts are still in their infancy, i have to admit.
emily_saliers: hopefully, the internet will provide some
emily_saliers: diversity where radio has fallen behind.
emily_saliers: *
emily_saliers: i think it's especially important for
emily_saliers: bands that are not as well known
emily_saliers: to get paid for their efforts.
emily_saliers: *
emily_saliers: i want to tell all the fans
emily_saliers: that i think we have the best fans in the world!
emily_saliers: we honestly appreciate your support
emily_saliers: and i'd like to continue doing these online chats.
emily_saliers: both amy and i will continue to update fans as
emily_saliers: much as possible on what's going on with us.
emily_saliers: *
artistdirect: well, it's time to say goodbye to emily.
artistdirect: .
artistdirect: she has to get ready for tonight's show.
artistdirect: .
artistdirect: thanks for coming to chat today!
artistdirect: check out for the latest news from amy & emily
artistdirect: at http://indigogirls.com
artistdirect: .
artistdirect: we'll see ya soon!
artistdirect: .
artistdirect: this chat was brought to you by
artistdirect: artistdirect.com and talk city.
artistdirect: copyright 2000. all rights reserved.

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>>emily_saliers: but, you never know
emily_saliers: when songs crop up again,
emily_saliers: our next album is all acoustic
emily_saliers: and we may resurrect some of those
emily_saliers: new/old songs for that album.<<


ooooh!  all acoustic!  very cool!  :-)

this was a terrific chat, i wish i could have been there to ask her
something.  i have always been sort of an amy girl as far as their
music goes, but emily constantly impresses me with stuff like this.
she interviews well, she is very articulate and she has great things to
say.  i really appreciate her point of view on life.

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y'all check out that wonderful emily answer to my chat question on faith
and lesbians.  i'm taking it to my preacher sunday.

later

bonnie

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i thought it was cool as all hell when my question got asked (the one about
sports) and she responded first with "good question!". i about hit the roof.
that made light out of my otherwise crappy day. i sent in another question,
and it was something like "in some interviews they say that your hair is red,
and in others it's blond. did you ever think of just going punk and dyeing it
blue just to stop the damn confusion? :) i imagine that if you showed up to
perform like that, it would freak amy out. although, she might be a little
upset about you trying to steal the "reigning ig punk queen" title from her.
just kidding. :)" well that one didn't get asked. gee, i wonder why? :) don't
mind me, i'm just wacko. peace y'all

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so, i was in the chat with emily today, but of course none of my =
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they picked randomly from a pool so that each question has an equal =
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it at just the right time, or do they look at them and decide which ones =
they will use?  i have a feeling it's not the latter, but if anyone =
knows for sure, please share.
thanks,=20
leslie


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sorry y'all for that html crap.  :(  my email program does it automatically
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so, i was in the chat with emily today, but of course none of my questions
got through.  but being a complete novice at chatroom situations, i'm just
wondering, how do the questions get picked?  are they picked randomly from a
pool so that each question has an equal chance of getting through, or do
they come through if you happen to send it at just the right time, or do
they look at them and decide which ones they will use?  i have a feeling
it's not the latter, but if anyone knows for sure, please share.
thanks,
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all i can tell you is this_

i submitted my question a few days ago and didn't even watch the chat
today.  i saw the transcript and couldn't believe they used my
question.  thanks a million to whoever sent that transcript!!


bon

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for those of you interested, the tampa show totally rocked.  sulli gave me
the set list that had been taped to the floor next to amy (plus the pick amy
had had in her mouth, and amy's unfinished bottle of water...woohoo!) but i
set the list down for two seconds to pick up my girlfriend's shirt off the
ground and someone swiped it!!!  the nerve of some people, geez.  luckily, my
gf got a copy of the set list...which i don't have here with me right now,
but as we were leaving we ran into nancy, who copied the list, and said she
would be posting it...
so, the butchies opened...they were loud and punkish but i enjoyed their
energy a whole lot.  a & e came out and played a song with them...don't know
the name of it, but emily said that amy wrote it....wow, very awesome.  the
girls weren't overly chatty tonight, but they seemed to be having a lot of
fun.  before "power of two" amy said something like "is there a scott...we're
looking for scott."  the spotlight focused on some guy standing in the very
back of the theatre...then amy said some girl's name...  it was the sweetest
thing...scott (i'm pretty sure that's his name) proposed to his girl right in
the middle of the aisle of the tampa theatre during an ig concert...how
awesome.  apparently she said yes...they celebrated with a long kiss and
danced throughout pot.  amy commented on it being a high pressure situation
for the girl then chuckled  and gave a sweet smile...the crowd roared with
applause.   amy wore a really cool light blue shirt, kinda
fitted...button-down, with what looked like sequins or something embroidered
perhaps, and light jeans.  don't remember what emily was wearing...oops.
both of them were very friendly before they departed.  emily signed a million
things before she got on the bus, and amy signed quite a bit before she drove
off in a rented, i presume, ford contour.  wish i could remember more details
but it's so late, and i am so tired.  sorry for the length, if you made it
this far.  anybody else out there who went to this show???    thanks for
listening...
*heather*

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does anyone know who will be opening for the girls at the iowa shows in
june? is anyone going to the iowa shows in june?
michelle

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anybody know where it's gonna be? i see the 904 area code, is it going to be
in florida or is that just where you call for information?

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i find the napster situation really interesting. since
it provides a server for people to share all their
files, we dowload music off eachother, the company
itself is not in posession of any copyrighted
material. however, the second a user puts out stuff
and it is downloaded, a copyright law is being broken
if the other user does not have what she is getting on
cd. and obviously she does not as she is getting it
off someone else's library. so a good case can be made
either way.

this is the interesting aspect of things like napster.
exposure. napster even has a special site you can go
to if you want to get your music out there. so this
type of thing is good for people who are not involved
(by choice or not) in the music industry. you can get
your music out there. i know a good deal of artists
that have made mp3s of their songs and put them out
there.
in my personal experience i have downloaded about 4
rage against the machine songs, then bought all their
cds, about 5 korn songs then bought three of their cds
and saving for #4. i have downloaded massive attack
and looking for their stuff in stores, i'm saving
money for bjork. all because i downloaded some songs
and really liked the sound. i think my case is typical
enough. however, once you bring cd burners into it,
things get interesting. you can just download the
entire cd and burn it. you can have your friends do it
for you. all you pay for is cdrs. i just burned two
entire cds of tori bsides, mixes and covers, as well
as rare live performances. i just can't afford to go
out there and buy all tori singles out there. so
again, both sides of the equation.

metallica. i don't like metallica now. i am urging all
my friends to delete metallica songs off their hard
drives. this is why. it's obvious this delicate
situation is not about copyright, it's about money.
the money that the record labels get and the money
that artists with really good record deals get. ($1
per cd is considered a really good record deal.) so
it's becoming obvious to us, what metallica is
interested in. it's not our musical interest, it's the
cash they make. (and it's not like the hardcore fans
that they get from napster won't go to their shows and
provide them with what is the source of most income
for artists.) so either way, if for non-termination
purposes from napster or ideology, i don't see the
reason for why we should provide them with musical
support.

this case is landmark. with something like napster,
artists will be able to forgo the record label mess
and still make a living if they publicize well. since
there is a lot of power movers in the labels though, i
see a more merging of napster-like things and the
record labels. (if they are not forced to shut down
because of our nemesis, metallica, that is.) a lot of
artists have come out and said these very things that
i'm saying so i'm not just making this up. i think
that a lot of artists feel this way. and not many are
coming out and publicly supporting napster (though
people like limp bizkit and indigo girls have) because
they don't want to get in troble with their labels
(all of whom stand to lose major bucks b/c of
napster).

okay, that was really long and i'm sorry. it had to be
said.

love,
julie (napster's "indigonut" :)
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hi all-

1 i'm trying to make a good road mix cd. i was thinking happy hit the road
songs like em's "get out the map" and "heads carolina" by joe dee messina.
any suggestions?

2 also, i'm looking to do a cheesy love mix of not just ig stuff. you know...
of course including power of two, but other stuff too. what are some of
y'all's (?) favorite love songs??? help!

any suggestions would be greatly appreciated via private email of course!

thanks in advance!

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in a message dated 5/5/00 10:54:23 am central daylight time,
carrie827@yahoo.com writes:

you did well!  i too was trying online, but quit at about 10:10am when my
wife called to say she got them at the tm outlet. she was first in line and
got row c.
(center).  she got them right at 10am.  i think ticketmaster says center
farther back is a "better" ticket so they sell them first.... not sure
though...   congratulations on the good seats!

> i finally managed to get tickets online.  they went on
>  sale around 10:15 according to my clocks.  apparently
>  the rest of the fans had the same problem, because i
>  ended up with row b seats.  after studying the seating
>  chart onlin, i still couldn't decipher where my seats
>  were given the numbers and letters.  i called the
>  ticket office at stephens auditorium, and asked the
>  guy to tell me where my seats were.  he said they put
>  three rows in front, separated from the rest of the
>  venue, and my seat is in the second row of the special
>  three-row section, side emily.  that fifteen minutes
>  of "why aren't tickets on sale yet" stress was worth
>  it.  anyone else got tickets yet - will there be
>  enough for a listmeet?  i'm happy to organize one
>  :)carrie

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i looked at ticketmaster to see if the minneapolis shows appeared on
line.  well, one did.  but instead of being at the zoo, it's at the
orpheum.  what gives?

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does anyone have a boot of either one of these shows??   i would love a copy
and am willing to trade!!!

thanks
sandy

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did any one else try to get tickets this morning?  i got to the tm place
and was told that the zoo ticket sales have been postponed but that i could
get tickets for them playing at the orpheum on june 23rd.  of course i went
ahead and bought them, but i'm still puzzled.  any thoughts?  any
additional information?

lisa

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hey guys - can we cool it on the requoting and the html posts? it's a tad
annoying..

lisa (who just unsubscribed from a moonlighting list since no one there can
figure out how to not requote...)

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<< please email me off-list, i don't want to be responsible for starting up
the
'blanket wars' again! >>

teehee :) yeah, i was going to keep my mouth shut :)

i have seen dar, jess klein and someone else (damn.. can't remember who..)
listed at musi-cal.com for newport.. but i haven't seen the girls listed yet..

:p
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i managed to forget to set my alarm last night and
woke up around two,then i remembered that tickets went
on sale this morning!  i logged onto ticketmaster, and
found what sheryl did, but went ahead and got tickets
(third row center - how did that happen three hours
after on sale?).  i've been trying to get through to
ticketmaster by phone to see if anyone intelligent
might be able to offer insight into the other concert,
but i keep getting the incessant busy signal.

grrr,
carrie

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i think i read on the ig community board that's still being used from the
old site that they simply swapped locations, moving from the zoo to the
orpheum for those dates. the post made no mention of the zoo dates being
rescheduled. you would think ticketmaster would have put some mention of
this change on the for sale info, but after my experience with them
yesterday while buying iowa tickets, i'm not putting a whole lot of stock
in ticketmaster. i don't fault the people who work there...the overall
operation just seems a bit dorky.
        so, has anyone but me, carrie and derek got tix for the iowa dates? we're
going up for both...does anyone know who the opening acts are going to be?
        michelle

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> date: saturday, may 06, 2000 1:17 pm
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> i managed to forget to set my alarm last night and
> woke up around two,then i remembered that tickets went
> on sale this morning!  i logged onto ticketmaster, and
> found what sheryl did, but went ahead and got tickets
> (third row center - how did that happen three hours
> after on sale?).  i've been trying to get through to
> ticketmaster by phone to see if anyone intelligent
> might be able to offer insight into the other concert,
> but i keep getting the incessant busy signal.
>
> grrr,
> carrie
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< 'will & grace"
    the non-profit christian organization focus on the family is slamming
  nbc-tv and its sitcom "will & grace" for mocking "the struggles ex-gay men
  and women have faced."
    tuesday's episode involved jack, one of the main characters, going to an
  ex-gay meeting in the hopes of seducing its leader. he succeeds, as the
  meeting turns out to be a hypocritical sham.
    mike haley, a former homosexual and now a youth and gender specialist with
  focus on the family, accuses the network of ridiculing "people with deeply
  held biblical convictions and those who believe that change is possible." he
  calls the show "just more evidence of the ever-increasing censorship of the
  ex-gay point of view."
    (editors: contact julie neils of focus on the family at 719-548-4634.)>>

lisa

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sorry for the nigc, but i thought some of you guys might be interested =
in this, since "if these walls could talk 2" was so good!  i hope this =
is as well, but i'm a little nervous with barbra streisand being =
involved.  we'll see!   this was taken from the t.v. guide.


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sorry if this is a repeat...

indigo girls will be playing in santa cruz for the first time july 29-30 at
the fat fry festival, a funky little festival at aptos village park.
tickets go on sale may 20.  details at (831)425-0212.

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hey y'all,

ok : i know this probably way off subject, but does anybody have a good
recipe for lemonade? (and for that matter, iced tea?). i know, i know...
it's the sort of thing that sounds simple, but my mum and me have been
trying to think of a decent lemonade recipe, and we just can't think of one...

(oh btw : it's sort of igc because of emily owning watershed, etc.....)


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sorry, guys, had to resubmit this since i forgot the word "lesbian" =
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but just a minor correction.  have a great weekend! =20


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lord, lord, lord save us from those who are in certain christian "i know
everything and you are wrong!" areas of our society.

i for one gave a big woohoo when will and grace hit the air--i still think
someone stole my life and is making money off of it!  :-)  and, it shocked me
that nbc actually had a new quality show on air with will and grace....hmmm...

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okay, i know i'm pretty late in the day with this one, but i just
"discovered" shawn mullins.  since there are so many of his fans on this
list, i was hoping to have my question answered here:  is lullaby about a
real person and does anyone know who?

thanks,

pam

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ok, i'm relatively new on the list---just signed up around 4 months ago, but
does anyone know if before they were known as "the indigo girls" if they
were debating on going with a different group name?  and if not, what do you
guys think would be strong contenders?  and since i'm a new fan, does anyone
know why they named themselves "the indigo girls"?  just curious and loving
i.g........

annamarie in s.i, ny

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<<ok, i'm relatively new on the list---just signed up around 4 months ago,
but does anyone know if before they were known as "the indigo girls" if they
were debating on going with a different group name?>>

the b-band (after something rude)
saliers and ray

<<and since i'm a new fan, does anyone know why they named themselves "the
indigo girls"?>>

"i found it in the dictionary," says amy, "i just thought it was catchy."
"it's blue and it's deep, i think it has a ring to it," emily adds.

all details from the very fine (if a little out of date) article at"
www.andineil.com/indigogirls/recordcollector/index.html

neil
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d.c. stargazing -

millennium march weekend provides mixed bag of big-name performers and some
disappointing no-shows - like elton john, the indigo girls

by bradley david, features writer

washington - while over 40,000 people thrilled to the sights and sounds of
the star-studded equality rocks concert at rfk stadium saturday night, the
remainder of the march weekend's entertainment offerings ended up a mixed bag
of great performances as well as disappointing cancellations by several
artists.

friday night's "official mmow gala dinner" at, of all places, the ronald
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reagan international trade center, had enticed people to pay up to $500 per
ticket for the privilege of seeing ellen degeneres, anne heche, and elton
john accept special awards.

due to "scheduling conflicts," none of the three showed up, which allowed
award recipient jose saria, a 77-year-old drag queen from san francisco, to
steal the show with a moving and hilarious acceptance speech.

judy shepard, the mother of slain college student matthew shepard, accepted
the award on behalf of elton john, but inexplicably, the awards to degeneres
and heche were accepted by a lesbian couple who said they had only recently
met the famous actresses for the first time. apparently, their sole
credentials for taking the podium were that at a recent fund-raiser was had
placed the winning bid on a fur coat worn by sharon stone in a movie. the
audience seemed baffled as one of the women twirled around, posing in said
coat.

the event did come through with its "salute to the music of jerry herman,"
with special appearances by broadway veterans such as nathan lane, sam
harris, billy porter, leslie uggams, rita moreno and carol channing,
accompanied by the fairfax symphony orchestra and the washington, d.c. gay
men's chorus. unfortunately, the man of the hour, jerry herman, could not be
in attendance. in a telephone hookup from his home in california, herman told
the event's emcee, charles nelson reilly, that his doctor had told him not to
fly because of an ear infection.

saturday afternoon's national gay and lesbian task force fundraiser, called
"honoring our allies," was even more of an entertainment bust. unlike the
organization's similar event at the '93 march, where melissa etheridge rocked
the crowd with an intimate "unplugged" performance, this year's headliners -
the indigo girls - sent a tape-recorded audio message saying they couldn't
make it, again because of a "scheduling conflict." comedian kate clinton did
provide a few laughs in accepting a "lifetime achievement award" from the
group.

sunday's main rally was much less entertainment-oriented than marches past,
sticking instead to the importance of gay, lesbian, bisexual and
transgendered issues.

but the millennium festival, a two-day street fair covering six blocks of
pennsylvania avenue, made up for this with an impressive stage line-up
including grace jones and erin hamilton, the daughter of carol burnet and a
recent dance diva with a number of club hits. the festival also featured a
cabaret stage with an array of drag performers from around the country.

saturday night's much anticipated equality rocks concert, sponsored by the
human rights campaign, had only two no-shows - whoopi goldberg and queen
latifah - among its scheduled line-up. celebrities were out in force for this
memorable event, and many of them made themselves available to the press
backstage before the show.

"i've found that, since i came out, the 'best dressed' category doesn't
bother me as much any more," joked k.d. lang in response to a question about
how her life has changed since coming out.

melissa etheridge, who was instrumental in organizing and promoting the
concert, said, "the best thing i think i can say to anyone is that the
quality of my life is so rich and fine and good after coming out. there are
many different experiences and many different things you might go through if
you come out, but ultimately, it is so healthy and whole and good.

"i just try to live my life so that maybe people can be inspired."

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ooh...it's a conspiracy!!  everone knows "scheduling conflict" is a code for
some nefarious plan of incredible evil to undermine the immaculate moral high
ground of all gblt people everywhere!
those evil, evil indigo girls and elton john!
they must be spanked immediately!

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in a message dated 5/6/00 3:16:51 pm eastern daylight time,
annamarie1974@hotmail.com writes:

<< sorry for the nigc, but i thought some of you guys might be interested in
this, since "if these walls could talk 2" was so good!  i hope this is as
well, but i'm a little nervous with barbra streisand being involved.  we'll
see!   this was taken from the t.v. guide. >>


why would you be nervous about babs being involved??  she has always been
supportive of the gay community, her son is gay and she produced serving in
silence, the margreth cammemeyer(sp?) story which i thought was very well
done.

indi

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in a message dated 5/7/00 12:03:27 am eastern daylight time,
indigyrlieman@aol.com writes:

<< ooh...it's a conspiracy!!  everone knows "scheduling conflict" is a code
for
some nefarious plan of incredible evil to undermine the immaculate moral high
ground of all gblt people everywhere!
those evil, evil indigo girls and elton john!
they must be spanked immediately! >>


lol  i volunteer to spank emily     ;)

indi

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date:         sat, 6 may 2000 23:25:00 -0500
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anybody in the mpls/st paul  area play in a
drummig  circle?  i'm interested i drumming
in a group circle.  please email me privately,
let me knw where i can find one.

thanks

barb

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date:         sun, 7 may 2000 02:14:29 -0700
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"why would you be nervous about babs being involved??  she has always =
been
supportive of the gay community, her son is gay and she produced serving =
in
silence, the margreth cammemeyer(sp?) story which i thought was very =
well
done."


i realize that she's always been supportive of the gay community, but =
you haven't noticed that she has a major attitude problem when it comes =
to her work?  she actually refused to show up for an academy awards show =
when "the mirror has two faces" wasn't nominated for best picture, or =
when she made the announcement that she wasn't going to sing in front of =
an audience anymore, at awards shows, etc, but when people shelled out =
$1,000 a ticket, she sang like a bird.   i normally love her work =
(especially "the prince of tides") and her voice is incredible, (my =
favorite of hers is "somewhere" from "west side story"), but i feel like =
she's a bit pompous.  this normally doesn't affect her work, but it =
makes my opinion of her lessen a bit.  i respect your opinion though, as =
i hope you do mine. =20

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ooh...it's a conspiracy!!  everone knows "scheduling conflict" is a code for
some nefarious plan of incredible evil to undermine the immaculate moral
high
ground of all gblt people everywhere!
those evil, evil indigo girls and elton john!
they must be spanked immediately!

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i would agree with vesper but unfortunately i have scheduling conflicts and
am not available at this time.
hehehe
-jess
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still no takers on this show?  well, if anyone does go, i'll be the guy in
the blue phish shirt with the black horn-rimmed glasses, dancing my fool
head off, singing at the top of my lungs ;o)
see ya there,
joey

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wow - thanks for everybody with the help with the drinks recipes.... goes
to show that the list is truly the fount of all knowledge : in other words,
you ask any question, and somebody out there is bound to know the answer.....

thanks again,

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<< ooh...it's a conspiracy!!  everone knows "scheduling conflict" is a code
for some nefarious plan of incredible evil to undermine the immaculate moral
high ground of all gblt people everywhere! those evil, evil indigo girls and
elton john!  they must be spanked immediately!

>>lol  i volunteer to spank emily

;)indi

ohhhhhh...and *i* volunteer to do amy...
*emfg*

rugbygrrl

p.s.hey...a grrl can dream , can't she?!
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hey.. sorry for the wasted space, all.  im looking for a girl by name of
kelly i think, who has 10 cd's she's burning... no rush, it's just i need to
let you know of my change of address for the summer... i moved my computer
out this weekend and therefore cannot look up your name until i get home...
eeek!
again, sorry for the misc. post... hope everyone is having a lovely sunday,
and good luck with finals to my fellow college students! :)
erin

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cool, so anyone out there have the answers to life,
the universe, and everything? or how about helping me
find true love... :)

--- john bond <john.bond@lineone.net> wrote:
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ok, this is really nit-picky, and sort of strange, but i was thinking........

since the band name is "indigo girls" is it more authentic to refer to them
as such, never a 'the' in front of 'indigo', or is the 'the' grammatically
correct, and thus, a part of the band name (sort of like 'you' [understood].
in this case it's 'the' [understood].)

also, is it just me, or.....referring to them as 'the girls' seems cute,
acceptable (maybe also suggesting a personal acquaintance with them that i do
not have), and just better than 'the indigos'.  that to me just rings false
in my ears.

and, ig, in this setting, obviously works, but not sure it one could really
get away with saying it.

ah, nomenclature.
weirdly,
mel w, sweltering in unseasonable warmth in chicago


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date:         sun, 7 may 2000 09:35:26 -0600
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hi ~

i'll keep it short, i just wanted to spread the word about my new site of
ig light swiich plates www.switchindigo.ca.tc

i've had a tori amos light switch site (www.leavethelighton.ca.tc) for a
while and thought hey! i need to branch out. so i have created 10 different
ones using album art.

check it out! any q'a or comments please let me know!

christa

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i was wondering if anyone knows on the web where i can find a 2000 =
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at 07:58 07/05/00 -0700, you wrote:
>cool, so anyone out there have the answers to life,
>the universe, and everything? or how about helping me
>find true love... :)
>

second one i'm still looking for, but the first one : 42... :)

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ah, the eternal questions...

the closest i've come to those answers...or, even a hint of them would be
these two lyrical pieces:

"oh how i wish i were a trinity
so if i lost a part of me
i'd still have two of the same to live
but nobody gets a lifetime rehearsal
as specks of dust we're universal
to let this love survive
would be the greatest gift that we could give "--the girls, of
course....and....

"if i had a million dollars, i would buy you a monkey--haven't you always
wanted a monkey?"

barenaked ladies     :-)

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<< indigo girls will be playing in santa cruz for the first time july 29-30 at
the fat fry festival, a funky little festival at aptos village park. >>

oh yeah! yay! i went to the fat fry last year to see dar.. it's a cool little
festival.. and i witnessed no blanket wars...

;) lisa

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i'm still amazed at the lack of information out there.  in today's mpls
startribune there's an advertisement for the ig at the zoo with the special
deal from northwest (which i was not able to get yesterday).  nobody around
here seems to know about these shows.

lisa

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    i said i was a boy, i'm glad he didn't check."
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>from:    jean moses <sneakyjean@yahoo.com>
>subject: re: emily chat transcription for those who weren't there
>
> >>emily_saliers: but, you never know
>emily_saliers: when songs crop up again,
>emily_saliers: our next album is all acoustic
>emily_saliers: and we may resurrect some of those
>emily_saliers: new/old songs for that album.<<
>
>
>ooooh!  all acoustic!  very cool!  :-)

of course, that's what they said before cons, too. :-)

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>from:    julie libes <indigonut@yahoo.com>
>
>metallica. i don't like metallica now. i am urging all
>my friends to delete metallica songs off their hard
>drives. this is why. it's obvious this delicate
>situation is not about copyright, it's about money.

well, duh... *copyright* is about money... it's about ensuring that people
are compensated and recognized for their works.  is there something wrong
with metallica wanting to get paid for their labor?  surely not...  if you
work, i doubt you'd be so willing to work for free (or to have someone
unrelated to you or your employer determine when you've made enough money).

>the money that the record labels get and the money
>that artists with really good record deals get. ($1
>per cd is considered a really good record deal.)

it's tragic, and apparently you would like them to get even less
(zero).  uploading a metallica cd is no different from walking out of a
store with hundreds of cds without paying for them (if we use a
conservative estimate of how many people will download and burn it) and
handing them out to your friends.

i would never dream of uploading retail ig stuff from napster, denying them
the profit of their outstanding efforts, and i hope you wouldn't either.

rare stuff is a little different... i don't think there are many people who
would download rare and live stuff that wouldn't buy the retail cds, but if
an artist didn't want it out there, i wouldn't share it.

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my friend's aunt works at the zoo.  she said that they are playing there
thursday, the orpheum friday and ticket sales have been postponed, she didn't
know until when.  that's all i know, hope it helps!  also, let's not forget
about the duluth show the 25th!  no info on that one yet.

lisa

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**set list at end**

ok first off i have to start out by saying

this has been the best weekend of my life!

i had 2 tickets to the tampa show.  then i got a call from the management
agency letting me know that i had passes waiting for me for the show so that
i could go in and work the resources table (yay!!!--- thank you!).  so i
called my friend andy since she didn't have any tickets and i offered her
mine.  so cate, my other friend who worked the table with me, had the other
ticket so she had a seat and so did andy.  well the show was sold out so
there weren't any "dead" seats so i was planning on standing wherever i
would be out of the way (which was in the back versus my 6th row seats).  i
didn't actually get to see the butchies (but i heard them and i like 'em)
since i was manning - er- personing the resources table (btw justine if
you're out there it was nice to meet you)  i spoke to a ton of people about
the schools for chiapas so i was very happy about that.  in the midst of all
this suzanne (hi) walked up to me and she had an extra ticket (3rd row) wow!
i cannot thank you enough!!!  the concert was amazing.  the acoustics were
great.  amy said it reminded her of the fox theater a bit 'cept ours was a
bit more ornate.  then she said something about how they were trying not to
touch anything or damage it.  and how they felt like they were part of the
decorations.  the proposal heather mentioned was so sweet . . now that's the
way to do it.  emily was talking about how they were really loving florida.
the crowds had been great and she joked about doing a 6 month tour of just
florida to which the crowd when absolutely nuts.  then amy said, "i just
want to ride my bike from tampa to st. pete on that bridge thing." at which
point a few people (including me) went nuts (i've ridden it) then she said,
"i guess not very many people have done that." the few of us went off the
deep end again, and then, "i can only do it on the perfect day --- sunny --
nice outside --- no wind."

um that's about all i can remember of chit chat other than what heather
said.

the concert ended and cate and i went back out to the front to work the
resources table.  heather and lauren who met us for dinner went outside to
wait by the bus.  when the crowd dwindled cate and i packed up the resources
material and had to exit through backstage.  we watched the load up and the
passes allowed us to walk around backstage but we ended up just standing on
the "secure" side of the barricade.  for some reason there were only about
10 people standing by the exit.  everyone else had gone to stand by the bus
(a mob).  well even though i had the pass that had allowed me to walk around
i didn't feel right going down to the dressing room or staking out the
stairwell for them to come out, so we waited with the rest of the fans
outside.  as we were chit-chatting emily stepped out with the tour manager
and no lie-- a collective ahs ran through us, all 10 or so of us, it was
surreal.  vulcan mind meld or something . . . she signed all of the stuff
presented and chatted a bit with everyone.  she answered lauren's guitar
question and heather had the chance finally to meet her and for andy her
first ig concert she managed to get emily's autograph.  then emily walked
over to where cate and i were and i asked her to sign my ride for chiapas
jersey and she did.  i got to tell her how much it meant to me to have their
support with it and cate managed to finish the rest of my thoughts for me
while i tried not to cry (thank you hon)  she told emily that i have been
waiting months to say that to them in person then this woman asked emily
about golf -- emily only plays a couple of times a year now (fyi) then i
heard the door click and amy poked her head out a tiny bit to survey the
crowd, then someone else spotted her and yelled her name so she came over
and started signing stuff too, and she chatted with everyone as well.  and
she signed my ride jersey as well ---- no beccie i will never wear that
again. i'll frame it for personal enjoyment---- and cate thanked her for
singing romeo and juliet, cate's fave -- she says i'm romeo (whatevah!), and
it was all over so quickly.

i was standing in front of amy ray and i couldn't speak. i think i might
have mumbled "would you sign this please" but other than that i was tongue
tied -- i had so much i wanted to say and i couldn't for the life of me
think of any of it.  i totally felt like an ass after they walked away -- i
had thanked emily but not amy -- duh!

so if you've read all the above thank you if you just skipped down here's
the set list fer ya:

its alright
jonas and ezekial
peace tonight
ozilline
power of two (marriage proposal dedication)
faye tucker
least complicated
land of canaan
cold beer and remote control
romeo and juliet
philosophy of loss
shame on you
get out the map
go
closer to fine

encore
chickenman
galileo

and in the words of a&e "thanks y'all"

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date:         sun, 7 may 2000 14:46:24 -0700
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deb wrote:

> i would never dream of uploading retail ig stuff from napster, denying them
> the profit of their outstanding efforts, and i hope you wouldn't either.
>
> rare stuff is a little different... i don't think there are many people who
> would download rare and live stuff that wouldn't buy the retail cds, but if
> an artist didn't want it out there, i wouldn't share it.

i am certain i've read a couple of interviews with the girls in the last
couple of months where they basically said, they don't mind the
distribution of rare and out-of-print stuff, as well as concert bootlegs
(although they don't seem supportive of the bootlegging process itself)
as long as nobody is making money.  i think they also see things like
napster as an excellent opportunity to relate to fans on a new level.
but they don't seem to have really ironed out any firm thoughts about
either one at the moment.  kind of "still thinking on this issue."

perhaps someday i'll compile a collage of statements from the old
articles.  i just don't even know where to begin to look for such
things.

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hi everyone,
i thought this would be fun.  i am really working on not swearing,
because when i get stressed, the words seem to "slip" out at work and
well, i can get in trouble.

anyway, what words do y'all use as substitutes when you are mad.  come
on entertain and help me!
mary

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i think lifeblood has a few articles from the past year or so, and i recall
them being asked napster/internet/bootleg questions. they recognize that
their fan-based has long been built on their live perfomances and didn't
discourage the bootlegs as long as no one profited, which i think is key
for a lot of performers. they can't possibly release an extensive live
catalogue of music and bootlegs do serve a useful purpose in peaking
interest in a group, especially for group just getting started and
sustaining folks like ig, who don't get much airplay or mainstream music
recognition.
        they were interviewed for the acoustic cafe this year and were talking
about napster and the internet and said basically that while it's in its
purest form in its infancy, it's bound to be made corporate and icky over
time, so they were cautious and did say they were learning about the
technology slowly as it comes along.
        i can relate to their feelings on the bootlegs/napster...when you offer
something to true fans as a treat or bonus they wouldn't get otherwise and
they love it because they love the music, that's a great thing. but people
without access to the shows and the napster stuff will still want it and
fall prey to someone who wants to make a profit off an artist's work. the
napster issue is going to be interesting to watch unfold as we distinguish
how far the internet can go in providing the music to people for free and
the legal issues involved.
michelle

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ok well considering i work at an university for women in a islamic country,
i do my darndest not to swear.   but when i say darn, i do mean something
else.  i just find that its the intention of the emotion behind the word and
not the word itself that expresses it for me.  i have not quite sunk to
saying 'fudge' or 'shoot', but i did find myself turning into my grandmother
the other day and referring to my private bits and pieces as 'down there',
which naturally horrified me.   i find on my vacations out of country (in my
own country, australia), i swear a lot, and considering my parents and
family always swear and don't see a problem with it, i don't have those old
family values to hark back to or anything, so its not something i can have
any shame or guilt about or whatever else other people think of when they
swear.

so some of my words o' choice

argh - means everything from da f word to da s word and all in between.

you bloody bloody bloody thing - which i don't quite think is swearing, and
i havent been pulled up on it yet, but it still *feels* like swearing to me.

oh oh oh oh oh argh - which is sort of a really big response a bit like the
first one but when something really isn't working or when i have hurt
myself.

i have also started grunting sentences out, which i am hoping is not some
new tic that i have developed, and can be removed when i am again living
amongst the swear-friendly crew.  and very very occasionally, i say, god
kill me - which is a sort of a variation on an arabic saying and so no-one
hassles me about it.


regards,
sandy

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for a lovely commentary on this issue, see "southpark--bigger, longer, and
uncut."
i think it quite effectively addresses this serious issue.

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i read an amy article in the last few months where she
has said that she thinks mp3 trading is not a problem
with her as long as the fans come to the shows and
supoprt them somehow (i think this was a webcast or a
chat of some sort in december or a bit before). emily
sounded a bit unsure in the artistdirect chat that she
is unsure what she thinks on the issue.

i'm really busy with finals, could somebody try to
find both these references?

artists have come out both as very pro and very con on
this issue citing different rationalles like valuable
exposure and the loss of money.

back to cramming for four evil evil finals,
julie :)

--- graham ames <mcgee@oregontrail.net> wrote:

> i am certain i've read a couple of interviews with
> the girls in the last
> couple of months where they basically said, they
> don't mind the
> distribution of rare and out-of-print stuff, as well
> as concert bootlegs
> (although they don't seem supportive of the
> bootlegging process itself)
> as long as nobody is making money.  i think they
> also see things like
> napster as an excellent opportunity to relate to
> fans on a new level.
> but they don't seem to have really ironed out any
> firm thoughts about
> either one at the moment.  kind of "still thinking
> on this issue."


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