lifeblood: listlogs: 2000-06a


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date:         wed, 31 may 2000 19:40:02 -0500
reply-to:     tammy spring <tspring25@mindspring.com>
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subject:      lister's recipes
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i actually think we should just send her the recipes that we enjoy.  express
our individuality.  so what if it isn't strictly vegetarian?  is her father?
what of all her friends?
anyway, all i'm saying is that we are not blind followers.  send a favorite
recipe.  if she wants to try it, good.  if she wants to change it, also
good.  if she wants to gag that someone would actually eat what is suggested
in the recipe, well.... you get the point.

~t

tammy spring, c. ped., o.s.t.
superior o & p
805 hatcher lane
columbia, tn  38401
931-388-0810
931-388-1506

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date:         wed, 31 may 2000 20:42:14 -0400
reply-to:     "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
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from:         "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
subject:      indicated iv / boot art / future boots / random ramblings, etc.
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(an off-the-top-of-my-head aside: doesn't "chicken run" look like a fun,
cool movie - i think we should have a philly list meet the night it comes
out and go see it).

this is gonna be looooong, so please, if you feel the need to reply to the
list, be sure to quote only the relavant bit. anyway:

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indicated iv

i've been getting some very positive comments about indicated iv - noone has
yet to post a review to the list. please don't make me bring out the big
stick.

the liner notes are now available for your printing pleasure or will be very
shortly (uploading now).

all participants should have their copies. except meredith lynn whose
address i don't have. last call for meridith lynn. meredith??

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i've had a couple of questions about the www.go.to/neilytones art site -
here are some hints:
click on a picture should bring it up in its own screen.
the images should print out the correct size. if printing from the browser
doesn't work, try saving them to your desktop and printing and/or use your
graphics package of choice to resize them to your satisfaction.

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i'm already plotting the next batch o' boots (mainly 'cause it'll take me
forever to get my act together) and i promised a remastered, revised version
of indigo originals. here's the original cassette tracklist plus a few
extras. i need to know if i'm missing anything. umm, cut off point would be,
say, songs debuted by the end of 1999?

the untitled song - e
half moon cafe - e
beauty to disaster - a
up in smoke - e
what was really me - e
peace song - e
life's so strange - e
make this house a home - a & mm
pretty vision (vision boy) - a
play it again sam - e
tuesday's children - a
*unknown* from mysterys - e
the ballad of squeaky fromme - a
no way to treat a friend - a
if you live like that - a&e
draw the line - a
holy city - a
i don't know your name - e&a
running from the cold - a
high horse - e
problem child - a
winthorp - e
the boys just laugh - a
chiapas bound - a
little darlin - a
nuevo senorita - a
forgiveness - a

i don't know what the 'rules' will be for this - could be as simple as
non-album original compositions. but it seems silly to include high horse
but not the e.p. songs, and if i did include it. and equally silly not to
include it but to include other tracks from early recordings 3. i guess it
depends on what will fit nicely on one or two discs... advice/ideas please??

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jean's idea:
a list of ig sites?
a list of ig mailing list member sites?
a list of boot recordings?
etc.

the last one is already on lifeblood.net but the others sound great. i own
indigogirls.org (currently it's dormant) but i just don't have the time to
make it what i had planned, which would be the ultimate ig resource page -
mainly linking to the best place to find whatever information. so i was
thinking if someone wanted to take it over and make it the list website then
they can have it (free of charge, and free to run, subject to certain
conditions). it could just be a huge list o'links to existing websites with
one person coordinating the faq and another something else. it just needs
someone with the time and delegation/organization ability to pull it all
together. i also failed miserably when i took over the ig discography, but
that's another story...

end of side one.
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date:         wed, 31 may 2000 22:27:40 -0400
reply-to:     mike reynolds <io20742@exploremaine.com>
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from:         mike reynolds <io20742@exploremaine.com>
subject:      totally nigc - anyone tape the santana concert from fox?
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can you email me if you did and was any good?

trade?

(may be awhile...)
mike r.

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date:         wed, 31 may 2000 21:31:06 -0700
reply-to:     carrie <carrie827@yahoo.com>
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from:         carrie <carrie827@yahoo.com>
subject:      michigan womyn's music festival
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i was thinking about going to the michigan womyn's
festival this year to see toshi reagon, doria roberts,
catie curtis, the butchies and melissa ferrick.  as i
was checking out the website and deciding if i can
muster up $300 for a ticket and then find a hotel for
five or six weeks, i noticed indigo girls are slated
to play wednesday night.  no mention of this on the
official site yet, but according to
http://www.michfest.com ig are confirmed.  it may just
be the icing on the cake for me to end my summer with
a weeklong festival with most of my favorite artists.
is anyone else thinking of going?  i'd love to go in
on a hotel room to help defray costs if anyone is
interested.
:)carrie
ps - any on sale info for the thursday 22nd
minneapolis show yet?  trying to decide if i should
take off work for the occassion.

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date:         wed, 31 may 2000 22:47:46 -0700
reply-to:     carrie <carrie827@yahoo.com>
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subject:      opening act info
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from http://www.michellemalone.com
she's opening on the following dates for ig
6/11 - boston
6/23 - minneapolis
6/24 - sioux falls
6/25 - duluth
6/27 - ames
6/28 - cedar rapids
:)carrie

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date:         thu, 1 jun 2000 02:51:24 -0400
reply-to:     havanamoon <missing_lynx@email.msn.com>
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subject:      gnutella and artpark opener ????
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someone was looking for gnutella software - it's available for free download
from cnet.com and zdnet.com....

anyone know who will be opening for ig at artpark in lewiston ny on june 15?

tim
web page - http://www.havanamoon.8m.com/
mp3 site - http://www.mp3.com/timbaldwin

"information is not knowledge; knowledge is not wisdom;
wisdom is not truth; truth is not beauty;
beauty is not love; love is not music;
music is the best..." (frank zappa)

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date:         thu, 1 jun 2000 02:47:07 -0500
reply-to:     wilfred pennington <unclwil@midwest.net>
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hi all,
our computer was down (again) for a few days so i'm catching up on mail.
carrie, thanks so much for posting michelle malone's dates to open for ig
during the summer tour. i am so excited we will get to see her live for the
first time at both the iowa shows we're going to. i had been wondering
about opening acts...mrs. fun opened for ig when i saw them in st. louis in
december and i was really hoping we'd get another dameon artist this time,
preferably michelle! yeah!
        and, i'll ask again if anyone else is catching either iowa show.
bye,
michelle

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> from: carrie <carrie827@yahoo.com>
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: opening act info
> date: thursday, june 01, 2000 12:47 am
>
> from http://www.michellemalone.com
> she's opening on the following dates for ig
> 6/11 - boston
> 6/23 - minneapolis
> 6/24 - sioux falls
> 6/25 - duluth
> 6/27 - ames
> 6/28 - cedar rapids
> :)carrie
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date:         thu, 1 jun 2000 02:55:49 -0500
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subject:      re: nis songs
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hey everybody,
        again, i'm late responding to this one since our computer's been down for
a few days, but nis is one of my ig favorites, so i was really happy to see
a little list discussion on its merits :)
        i just had tapes of ig and nis and treated myself to the rereleased triple
pack with them and strange fire, so i've been listening to nis quite a bit
lately. it came out in 1990, when i was in college and could really relate
to so many of the songs. i think watershed has remained a favorite over
time...the melody and lyrics still strike me as so beautiful each time i
hear the song. i know that time in my life mirrored the girl with the
weight of the world in her hands, which was confirmed for me when every mix
tape i received from friends during this period included this song "just
for me."
        and i love world falls, too. i just think the whole album is collectively
such a strong piece of music. it seems more seamless to me than their debut
as you listen to it from beginning to end. it's just a really wonderful
musical journey and i still love taking the trip!
michelle


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date:         thu, 1 jun 2000 06:08:45 pdt
reply-to:     cara klein <cowsrule52@hotmail.com>
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hi all. ok this is relevant and legitimate. if anyone is intereted in
getting paid (untill july its earning cds and i have earned 4 so far) for
listening to an amazing radio (100's of stations) station online, please
email me. im posting this cuz among the hundreds of chanells w/ in
catogories (different choices w/ in every genre from classical and folk to
metal and dance etc.) and among others so far this mornin ive heard a few
arlo gunthry songs, ani, neil young, james taylor etc just on one station1
(sation is "always acoustic") i frequently hear ig, which is way cool. best
part is getting paid. (its not thousands of dollars) ----ani just came on
again for 2cnd time this morning!- anyway its awsome for me since online 9
hrs day at work and its $ by the hour. anyway, i thought id share that all
us ig fans have a way to listen to all types of music esp multiple stations
w/ ig and ig related artists!!!!!!!  oh wait! here is neil young and tangled
up in blue! ( i thought it was ig's version!) never heard the orginal!
anway, please please email me privatly if anyone wants lots more info on
this and get a lil dough for lovin music!! i love this radio!!!! neil does a
pretty good job on tangled up in blue. have a great day and i hope others
see the relevance in this post! take it easy all.

cara
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date:         thu, 1 jun 2000 09:15:10 edt
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speaking of michigan...

i can't afford to go all week...and i really wanted to be there on thursday
(and now wednesday).  unfortunately, i don't think i can just buy
tickets/passes for those two days, can i?

hmm...any ideas?
mel, near madison now

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date:         thu, 1 jun 2000 09:54:53 edt
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y'all should check out this site...there is some great video clips and pics from the atlanta daemon show of amy and others...and a great video of me! d:)

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date:         thu, 1 jun 2000 07:10:19 -0700
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from:         ryan blackhawke <hawke2@email.msn.com>
subject:      re: michigan womyn's music festival
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i guess its that time of year again when we get into a discussion about the
discriminatory practices of mwmf? anyway, i'd always dreamed of going but if
i can't take my wife, i will not support them in any way shape or form. i'd
be rather disheartened the see the girls playing there when they are all
about inclusion and being judged on your character, not your sex. (for those
of you who don't know, my wife is a post-op transexual and mwmf has a strict
policy of no tgs in the fest).

ryan

> -----original message-----
> from: indigo girls mailing list [mailto:indigo-girls@netspace.org]on
> behalf of carrie
> sent: wednesday, may 31, 2000 9:31 pm
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: michigan womyn's music festival
>
>
> i was thinking about going to the michigan womyn's
> festival this year to see toshi reagon, doria roberts,
> catie curtis, the butchies and melissa ferrick.  as i
> was checking out the website and deciding if i can
> muster up $300 for a ticket and then find a hotel for
> five or six weeks, i noticed indigo girls are slated
> to play wednesday night.

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date:         thu, 1 jun 2000 18:34:57 +0400
reply-to:     sandy i-o's <sandyind@emirates.net.ae>
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hey cara,

why not just post the url to the list? i am sure it would be fine to just
post it.  then we can go there if we wanna or not, i am sure no-one would
mind about this then.  it really sounds like an interesting station and as
long as it doesn't involve signing other people up, i am sure its entirely
legitimate to post info about somewhere to hear ig to the list.

regards,
sandy

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>from: cara klein <cowsrule52@hotmail.com>
>to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
>subject: ig,ani,arlo etc on radio/listen earn money
>date: thu, 1 jun 2000 5:08 pm
>

> hi all. ok this is relevant and legitimate. if anyone is intereted in
> getting paid (untill july its earning cds and i have earned 4 so far) for
> listening to an amazing radio (100's of stations) station online, please
> email me. im posting this cuz among the hundreds of chanells w/ in
> catogories (different choices w/ in every genre from classical and folk to
> metal and dance etc.) and among others so far this mornin ive heard a few
> arlo gunthry songs, ani, neil young, james taylor etc just on one station1
> (sation is "always acoustic") i frequently hear ig, which is way cool. best
> part is getting paid. (its not thousands of dollars) ----ani just came on
> again for 2cnd time this morning!- anyway its awsome for me since online 9
> hrs day at work and its $ by the hour. anyway, i thought id share that all
> us ig fans have a way to listen to all types of music esp multiple stations
> w/ ig and ig related artists!!!!!!!  oh wait! here is neil young and tangled
> up in blue! ( i thought it was ig's version!) never heard the orginal!
> anway, please please email me privatly if anyone wants lots more info on
> this and get a lil dough for lovin music!! i love this radio!!!! neil does a
> pretty good job on tangled up in blue. have a great day and i hope others
> see the relevance in this post! take it easy all.
>
> cara
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date:         thu, 1 jun 2000 10:45:59 -0400
reply-to:     nancy golumbia <nancyg2@sas.upenn.edu>
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ususally i agree with you, ryan, but here i don't.  michigan is a very special
place, and was created by people that needed to draw a strict line.  my
understanding is that the line has been shifted a bit over the years, but it
must remain.  and it's not that my gf and i havn't had this disucssion in the
past, because we have, mostly because one of her best friends is a
male-to-female transexual who has felt ostricized by the festival.  i
sympathize, and i don't know what the answer is.  however, i do know that being
at mwmf is unbelievable and very empowering.  i really think that transexuals
are put in a horrible situation in this society, mostly due to the mysogony and
the fear of blurring sexual idenities, and those are some of the biggest reasons
why we, as a womyn-oriented community, need the mwmf.

on the superficial side, most people are mostly naked most of the time in
michigan.  since your wife is post-op, there should be no questions asked.  i
know the 'rule' is womyn-born-womyn, but maybe she should prove the exception to
the 'rule'.

on a final note one of my favorite parts of the festival are seeing some of the
butchest womyn i've ever seen!  and they're all womyn, out from the woodwork in
all their glory.

i know that my words are controversial, and it's a difficult subject.  and i'm
open for discussion.

nancy

ryan blackhawke wrote:

> i guess its that time of year again when we get into a discussion about the
> discriminatory practices of mwmf? anyway, i'd always dreamed of going but if
> i can't take my wife, i will not support them in any way shape or form. i'd
> be rather disheartened the see the girls playing there when they are all
> about inclusion and being judged on your character, not your sex. (for those
> of you who don't know, my wife is a post-op transexual and mwmf has a strict
> policy of no tgs in the fest).
>
> ryan
>
> > -----original message-----
> > from: indigo girls mailing list [mailto:indigo-girls@netspace.org]on
> > behalf of carrie
> > sent: wednesday, may 31, 2000 9:31 pm
> > to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> > subject: michigan womyn's music festival
> >
> >
> > i was thinking about going to the michigan womyn's
> > festival this year to see toshi reagon, doria roberts,
> > catie curtis, the butchies and melissa ferrick.  as i
> > was checking out the website and deciding if i can
> > muster up $300 for a ticket and then find a hotel for
> > five or six weeks, i noticed indigo girls are slated
> > to play wednesday night.
>
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hi mel,

no, you can't get tickets for just 2 midweek days. there would be no way
possible for the fest organizers to make sure that you only stay on the land
for those 2 days.

have you considered applying for a reduced rate ticket? if you qualify, you
can get up to 30% off the ticket price. i'm not sure if the deadline has
passed yet, but it would be worth looking into.

~robbin

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<<why not just post the url to the list? i am sure it would be
fine to just post it.>>

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>>on the superficial side, most people are mostly naked most of the time in
> michigan.
>
hot damn!!! i'm booking a flight!  and a&e are going to be there you say?

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<<as i was checking out the website and deciding if i can muster up $300 for
a ticket and then find a hotel for five or six weeks, i noticed indigo girls
are slated to play wednesday night....  i'd love to go in
on a hotel room to help defray costs if anyone is interested.>>

carrie, have you ever been to the mwmf before? you do know that your ticket
price includes a *camping* area and 3 meals a day along with all the
entertainment and workshops? it just seems a waste of $$ to pay for a hotel
room when you can take a tent and camp with all those other wonderful women
for a week. (also, you would face an incredibly long line of traffic into
the fest almost every day). i think by not camping you would really miss out
on the community spirit that makes "michigan" so special. but that's just my
humble opinion.

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while i dont know if i have the energy to really get into the debate again,
i had to respond to this. (sorry, jen l.)

on thu, 1 jun 2000, nancy golumbia wrote:

> ususally i agree with you, ryan, but here i don't.  michigan is a very special
> place, and was created by people that needed to draw a strict line.

strict line?  what strict line?  woman born woman?  have you ever asked
a ts woman when she knew she was a woman?  most of the time, they
will say "i always knew".  i dont myself know of any pre-op t's who
would attend, knowing the issue about genitalia, but why should we
limit woman-bodied women?


my
> understanding is that the line has been shifted a bit over the years, but it
> must remain.  and it's not that my gf and i havn't had this disucssion in the
> past, because we have, mostly because one of her best friends is a
> male-to-female transexual who has felt ostricized by the festival.  i
> sympathize, and i don't know what the answer is.  however, i do know that being
> at mwmf is unbelievable and very empowering.  i really think that transexuals
> are put in a horrible situation in this society, mostly due to the mysogony and
> the fear of blurring sexual idenities, and those are some of the biggest reasons
> why we, as a womyn-oriented community, need the mwmf.
>

and this is also the best reasont o *allow* t women to attend michigan.
why whould they be denied any of that empowerment?  the answer is teach
each other that gender is not strictly our genitals. that someone who
has gone through all of the stuff that even you hint at above should
be denied one of the perks of being a woman:  going to michigan.
no, i myself have not gone.  the t policy troubles me, and mostly i have
not been able to afford it via time or money.  but i am disgusted by the
about of trans-phobia that continues to exist.  if we as lesbians and
women want the freedom to be ourselves without being judged, to have all
of the freedoms of the dominant groups, we cannot in turn impose similar
closemindedness on groups that are "other" than us.  that serves only
to perpetuate the cycles of hate and violence.

>
> on a final note one of my favorite parts of the festival are seeing some of the
> butchest womyn i've ever seen!  and they're all womyn, out from the woodwork in
> all their glory.

funny how you worship butch women like this, and find them to be "all
women" but not t women who have gone through so much to align their
bodies with their minds.  your very example shows the diversity of what
defines women in our communities. do you know that some butches take
their gender mix a step further, and id as boys? (this gets into the
murky area of gender vs sex again).  what if one of those butches
at michigan calls herself a boy, though isnt necessarily a female to
male transsexual?  the logic applied to refusing to allow a trans woman
to attend should then be equally applied to those butches. but it isnt
(and it shouldnt be).  as a "woman born woman", who may call herself
a boy but has a female body...what then?  where does that line end?

as for ig playing there, i am not as offended as ryan.  i think if a
woman wants to, and can, enjoy the power of what (i'm told) is michigan,
we shouldnt judge her for that jsut because the organizers and some of
the attendees refuse to open their minds.  there is also the element of
working "from the inside".  getting involved in the community there and
working to create change through education.

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thanks neil. i didnt post it right away cuz i didn't want i didntknow if
that would piss some ppl of. im just tryin to keep my posts as relevant as
possible these days. as far as signing other ppl up, yea that can part of
it. if you sign up and other ppl sign up and use your link, they you get
money for when you listen and when everyone under that person listen etc etc
etc. i didnt think posting that orginally was appropriate. but i send my
link and 10 ppl use my link to sign up, and that person uses there link and
10 ppl sign etc etc, the money starts rolling quicker. thats not the main
reason i posted this though. the main reason was b/c of the music variety.
there is also little tid bits that i wanted to share that are not directly
on that site i found through tech support and trial and error. if anyone
wants to sign up through m ylink, please private email me. otherwise, like
neil said, its www.radiofree.cash.com  . have a great day.

cara


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the thing is, i'm not the enemy, even if you may think i am.

"amy j. putnam" wrote:

> while i dont know if i have the energy to really get into the debate again,
> i had to respond to this. (sorry, jen l.)
>
> on thu, 1 jun 2000, nancy golumbia wrote:
>
> > ususally i agree with you, ryan, but here i don't.  michigan is a very special
> > place, and was created by people that needed to draw a strict line.
>
> strict line?  what strict line?  woman born woman?  have you ever asked
> a ts woman when she knew she was a woman?  most of the time, they
> will say "i always knew".  i dont myself know of any pre-op t's who
> would attend, knowing the issue about genitalia, but why should we
> limit woman-bodied women?
>

the line is, of course, no men.  as far as i can tell, the point is always to keep men
out, which is, obviously, inclusive, and gonna offend, at least, any man who wants to
join in on the fun.  i would never try to define gender or any such thing, i simply
support 100% the need for, what was once know as, safe places, and were necessary for
the development of the feminist movement (as i see it, of course).  i was trying to be
sensitive, apparently that was overlooked.  all i know is, i will be pissed if this
kind of argument was ever to lead to mwmf being cancelled, which is what some people
have suggested - 'as in let me in or close down'.

i apologize for how angry this makes me, but, as i was trying to say before, the whole
thing is difficult and personal in a lot of ways, and i get really defensive when
people (especially lesbian people) get mad at feminist institutions that have given us
so much of the strength and power on which these words and arguments thrive.

>
> my
> > understanding is that the line has been shifted a bit over the years, but it
> > must remain.  and it's not that my gf and i havn't had this disucssion in the
> > past, because we have, mostly because one of her best friends is a
> > male-to-female transexual who has felt ostricized by the festival.  i
> > sympathize, and i don't know what the answer is.  however, i do know that being
> > at mwmf is unbelievable and very empowering.  i really think that transexuals
> > are put in a horrible situation in this society, mostly due to the mysogony and
> > the fear of blurring sexual idenities, and those are some of the biggest reasons
> > why we, as a womyn-oriented community, need the mwmf.
> >
>
> and this is also the best reasont o *allow* t women to attend michigan.
> why whould they be denied any of that empowerment?  the answer is teach
> each other that gender is not strictly our genitals. that someone who
> has gone through all of the stuff that even you hint at above should
> be denied one of the perks of being a woman:  going to michigan.
> no, i myself have not gone.  the t policy troubles me, and mostly i have
> not been able to afford it via time or money.  but i am disgusted by the
> about of trans-phobia that continues to exist.  if we as lesbians and
> women want the freedom to be ourselves without being judged, to have all
> of the freedoms of the dominant groups, we cannot in turn impose similar
> closemindedness on groups that are "other" than us.  that serves only
> to perpetuate the cycles of hate and violence.
>
> >
> > on a final note one of my favorite parts of the festival are seeing some of the
> > butchest womyn i've ever seen!  and they're all womyn, out from the woodwork in
> > all their glory.
>
> funny how you worship butch women like this, and find them to be "all
> women" but not t women who have gone through so much to align their
> bodies with their minds.  your very example shows the diversity of what
> defines women in our communities. do you know that some butches take
> their gender mix a step further, and id as boys? (this gets into the
> murky area of gender vs sex again).  what if one of those butches
> at michigan calls herself a boy, though isnt necessarily a female to
> male transsexual?  the logic applied to refusing to allow a trans woman
> to attend should then be equally applied to those butches. but it isnt
> (and it shouldnt be).  as a "woman born woman", who may call herself
> a boy but has a female body...what then?  where does that line end?
>
> as for ig playing there, i am not as offended as ryan.  i think if a
> woman wants to, and can, enjoy the power of what (i'm told) is michigan,
> we shouldnt judge her for that jsut because the organizers and some of
> the attendees refuse to open their minds.  there is also the element of
> working "from the inside".  getting involved in the community there and
> working to create change through education.
>
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sorry-i'm a dork...it's www.gogirlsmusic.com-d:)

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on thu, 1 jun 2000, nancy golumbia wrote:

> the thing is, i'm not the enemy, even if you may think i am.

not once did i say or imply that *you* were the enemy.  you raised
points to which i responded.

>
> the line is, of course, no men.  as far as i can tell, the point is always to keep men
> out, which is, obviously, inclusive, and gonna offend, at least, any man who wants to
> join in on the fun.  i would never try to define gender or any such thing, i simply
> support 100% the need for, what was once know as, safe places, and were necessary for
> the development of the feminist movement (as i see it, of course).  i was trying to be
> sensitive, apparently that was overlooked.  all i know is, i will be pissed if this
> kind of argument was ever to lead to mwmf being cancelled, which is what some people
> have suggested - 'as in let me in or close down'.

a post op male to female transsexual is not a man.  neither is a pre-op,
though likely because of visible genitalia issues, such folks are less
likely to try to get in.  no one is contesting the no men part.  the problem
is that too many people still say "once a man, always a man".  that's
simply invalid here.  neither ryan nor i would say "open the gates to men!".
ryans wife is not a man.  no one wants to make michigan less safe.
making it more inclusive doesnt by default mean less safe. allowing
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transsexual women in is not at all letting men in.

>
> i apologize for how angry this makes me, but, as i was trying to say before, the whole
> thing is difficult and personal in a lot of ways, and i get really defensive when
> people (especially lesbian people) get mad at feminist institutions that have given us
> so much of the strength and power on which these words and arguments thrive.
>

huh?  i dont think feminism can be defined as inclusive of only some
women.  isnt the point to be include all women?  to make positive changes
for all women, which would also mean positive changes for men"? (ie,
less emphasis on rigid gender roles, for one).  does michigan claim
itself as a feminist institution? (this is an honest question, i really
dont know).  just because an insitution has given power to some, if it
does not evolve and grow, it canot be the same source of strength as
our communities grow.  it also does not make any institution impervious
to a spotlight to be shined on areas where growth can occur.  i am by
no means trying to shut down michigan.  i would simply like to see all
women be able to share in the strength that it offers.


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"amy j. putnam" wrote:

>  i would simply like to see all women be able to share in the strength > that it offers.

excellent, amy.  excellent post.  this just sums it up so succinctly.

elaine

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amy,

my gf just clarified some stuff that lets me understand what you're saying (i think) a bit
better, which is that some people still think that gender is only a 2-sided coin.  i guess,
in my own naivite, of which i have a ton, i didn't realize this.  i agree, amy, with
everything you said regarding the growth that is needed, and won't it be wonderful when this
argument won't be necessary :)

and of course, to personalize it a bit more, as a lesbian in a sexist and homophobic world,
i don't exactly identify as female.  i am lucky in a sense that i have always felt somewhat
(and i emphasize somewhat) at ease with my female body, or, more accurately, i feel like i
can exist in my body the way it is right now.  but, i don't feel like i can express my
sexuality openly (even though i am out) and be safe, or, forbid, accepted.  so in some of my
own ways i feel like a gender outlaw, and am always looking for the places where i will not
be scorned, and where i may even be embraced.  i would guess that's what most of 'us' are
looking for.

"amy j. putnam" wrote:

> on thu, 1 jun 2000, nancy golumbia wrote:
>
> > the thing is, i'm not the enemy, even if you may think i am.
>
> not once did i say or imply that *you* were the enemy.  you raised
> points to which i responded.
>
> >
> > the line is, of course, no men.  as far as i can tell, the point is always to keep men
> > out, which is, obviously, inclusive, and gonna offend, at least, any man who wants to
> > join in on the fun.  i would never try to define gender or any such thing, i simply
> > support 100% the need for, what was once know as, safe places, and were necessary for
> > the development of the feminist movement (as i see it, of course).  i was trying to be
> > sensitive, apparently that was overlooked.  all i know is, i will be pissed if this
> > kind of argument was ever to lead to mwmf being cancelled, which is what some people
> > have suggested - 'as in let me in or close down'.
>
> a post op male to female transsexual is not a man.  neither is a pre-op,
> though likely because of visible genitalia issues, such folks are less
> likely to try to get in.  no one is contesting the no men part.  the problem
> is that too many people still say "once a man, always a man".  that's
> simply invalid here.  neither ryan nor i would say "open the gates to men!".
> ryans wife is not a man.  no one wants to make michigan less safe.
> making it more inclusive doesnt by default mean less safe. allowing
> transsexual women in is not at all letting men in.
>
> >
> > i apologize for how angry this makes me, but, as i was trying to say before, the whole
> > thing is difficult and personal in a lot of ways, and i get really defensive when
> > people (especially lesbian people) get mad at feminist institutions that have given us
> > so much of the strength and power on which these words and arguments thrive.
> >
>
> huh?  i dont think feminism can be defined as inclusive of only some
> women.  isnt the point to be include all women?  to make positive changes
> for all women, which would also mean positive changes for men"? (ie,
> less emphasis on rigid gender roles, for one).  does michigan claim
> itself as a feminist institution? (this is an honest question, i really
> dont know).

honestly, i don't know, but i would assume so, and i think of it that way.


> just because an insitution has given power to some, if it
> does not evolve and grow, it canot be the same source of strength as
> our communities grow.  it also does not make any institution impervious
> to a spotlight to be shined on areas where growth can occur.  i am by
> no means trying to shut down michigan.  i would simply like to see all
> women be able to share in the strength that it offers.

i agree!


>
>
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date:         thu, 1 jun 2000 13:24:57 -0500
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>but, i don't feel like i can express my  sexuality openly (even though i am
out) and be safe, or, forbid, accepted.

this reminds me of a question that ocurred to me while riding the bus the
other day.  why is it okay for a heterosexual couple to cuddle and kiss in a
public place yet considered discussing for me and my gf to hold hands?

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> >but, i don't feel like i can express my  sexuality openly (even though i
> am
> out) and be safe, or, forbid, accepted.
>
then sheryl said: >>this reminds me of a question that ocurred to me while
riding the bus the other day.  why is it okay for a heterosexual couple to
cuddle and kiss in a public place yet considered discussing for me and my gf
to hold hands?

and this issue really reminds me of something that was said at the millenium
march.  i can't remember the speaker, but what she said really hit home.
and what she said was (paraphrasing) "if you want to live in a world where
you can put your partner's picture up in your office, then put your
partner's picture up, and you will live in that world.  if you want to live
in a world where you can hold your lover's hand on the subway, or on the
sidewalk, or in the mall, then hold your lover's hand on the subway, on the
sidewalk, or in the mall, and you will live in that world."  so, regardless
of what you feel you can do, if you go ahead and do it, then you will live
in a world where you can.  i've kind of had this philosophy since falling in
love with my girlfriend, and after turning 30, being tired - just plain
tired you understand - of not being what society calls 'normal' - and you
know what - it feels great, and i think that woman's advice that was given
at the march, was some of the best i've ever heard.  sorry to digress, but
y'all just reminded me of it.

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>>if you want to live in a world where you can put your partner's
picture up in your office, then put your partner's picture up, and you
will live in that world.  if you want to live in a world where you can
hold your lover's hand on the subway, or on the sidewalk, or in the
mall, then hold your lover's hand on the subway, on the sidewalk, or in
the mall, and you will live in that world."<<

yeah!  i thought this speech was so powerful i came home and put a
picture of my partner and me on my desk at the office that next week.
and on the way home from the march my partner and i deliberately held
hands from the train to the car through the philadelphia train station
very deliberately.  i also put a rainbow sticker in my car window.  i
just have to get past the worry about what people's reaction might be
and just "live in my world".  it's a slow but very empowering process.

now, i am very understanding that there are plenty of places where you
really can't just do something like that, believe me.  and then there
are those places where you *might* be able to, but you don't really
know, and doing something like putting up your girlfriend's picture in
your office would take a lot of courage, and that courage is hard to
muster.  so i'm not knocking those of you that can't do it yet for
whatever resaon... but i am crossing my fingers and hoping like hell
that you suddenly wake up one morning and decide you feel safe enough
to try it.  being a pioneer (of sorts) isn't easy, but it sure can be
satisfying!  :-)

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        **we hereby interrupt the discussion of mwff for a brief dip in
the shallow end of the pool**

        okay, folks, here's the what:
        as of now, you are welcome to email me recipes. please make sure
to send them to me offlist at sister_fortunate_one@yahoo.com. please put
the word cookbook in the header, and format them according to this model:

*recipe title
*brief description (if necessary - the title "kumquat pie" is probably
  sufficient description, whereas "grandma's favorite sauce" is not)
*estimated prep time
*ingredients list
*instructions
*yield

        go ahead and send any kind of recipe, anything from tofu souffle
to homemade pork rinds. we can decide later whether or not to actually
include the meat recipes; for now i'd rather just collect them. once we've
assembled them all, we can make the word document available to the list,
or maybe somebody (*cough*bonster*cough* <grin>) will offer us some
webspace so we can post it and put a link in that index of ig list sites
everyone's been talking about creating. carrie, you and i will be in touch
regarding the binding for emily's copy. :)
        so what are you waiting for? sister_fortunate_one@yahoo.com. send
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> and this issue really reminds me of something that was said at the millenium
> march.  i can't remember the speaker, but what she said really hit home.

the speaker was us rep. tammy baldwin, d-wisconsin, and the statement is
quoted in this weeks bay windows

i also hold hands with my gf in public, providing we feel like we're in
a safe, non threatening place at the time.    that has everything to do
with it.  a straight couple won't get ridiculed or called names or beat
up if they hold hands in public, or given scornful looks, regardless of
where they are.  but not so for us.  it hasn't happened yet either and
may not, but the possibility of it happening is very real - too
frightenly real.  sometimes being affectionate with your same sexed
loved one in public is easier said than done.

elaine

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there came a point in my life where i had to say screw everything...
if i am happy with a woman, i want others to know it...ilive in a very small
community where homoosexuality is definately not the norm...
but that didn't stop a woman that i was seeing from the two of us to go out
dancing...and when  i say dance, we turned heads...hee hee...i say that we
all only have one life to live, and if we don't live it so that we are happy
then what is it worth living...when i am old and grey i want to tell my
grandchildren and great grandchildren(god-willing) that i am happy with the
way that i lived my life...sieze the day!!!!!
peace and love,
          carrie
p.s. i know that is a cheesy quote, but it helps me muttle through the
world...


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date: thu, 1 jun 2000 13:24:57 -0500

>but, i don't feel like i can express my  sexuality openly (even though i
am
out) and be safe, or, forbid, accepted.

this reminds me of a question that ocurred to me while riding the bus the
other day.  why is it okay for a heterosexual couple to cuddle and kiss in a
public place yet considered discussing for me and my gf to hold hands?

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i have to second you on this one. several years ago when driven home to az  from tulsa i had a sticker ( one of several ) on my car that was rainbow and stated celebrate diversity. before getting to my mom's house i took it off. i didn't want to explain to her what it meant. i left the other rainbow ones on there cause there were no words so she would not ask.

when we left to go back to tulsa i was putting gas in the car. i went in to pay. i came back our and mu girlfriend was putting a new one of the same stickers back in the place...she shook my hand and said...." welcome back outta the closet....we missed you"

i laughed and decided right there that when i moved back to the town where all my family lives i would not remove any stickers..the ig, daemon, the rainbows etc because it is my life, my small part of the world. the choice is mine....each day to do and act as i would as long as it doesn't harm another.
everything we do is our choice. kissing my g/f at the phx zoo was my choice...her kissing me back was hers....the three of us ( me, g/f and daughter) doing a group hug and walking around together holding hands was our choice.

people have a choice to deal with it or get upset. usually those who get upset...are merely upset with some of their own choices in life and choose to "act out" against us because we are free enough to act out our choices. yes sometimes we get hurt....but i would rather live as i want and need to than hide and deny my love , friendship and being to accommodate those around me who are unhappy with their lives.

the indigo girls along with several other artist have enabled me to understand this. and this really is not only limited to sexual orientation or any one subject......it is actually broad spectrum to all choices we make in each day of our lives....to wake up happy or bitter...toast or muffin, all decisions are ours and we must all realize that we can not blame anyone but ourselves for our decisions...right or wrong.

sometimes i think that being secure enough in yourself on all topics makes those around us who are not as strong or secure feel as they are lacking and therefore in their nature they push someone else down to make themselves feel higher or better....which is very sad but it happens in every area, all aspects o life...we just have to remember that ultimately we are responsible for our own happiness. even tho it may come with pain and ridicule...if it is a decision we are happy with  and we feel it is best for our self..then it is..most of the time.

sparkie...crawling down off the soap box and gazing at the picture of my partner on my desk and wall.........

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i find it strange that ig are going to be there,
because my friend laurie went to the mwmf several
years ago, and she was dissapointed that ig wasn't
going to be there, for the supposed reason that it
wasn't inclusive enough. do you think she was
misinformed or they have just changed their minds?

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bravo bravo bravo bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!

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date: thu, 1 jun 2000 14:14:45 -0500

i have to second you on this one. several years ago when driven home to az
from tulsa i had a sticker ( one of several ) on my car that was rainbow and
stated celebrate diversity. before getting to my mom's house i took it off.
i didn't want to explain to her what it meant. i left the other rainbow ones
on there cause there were no words so she would not ask.

when we left to go back to tulsa i was putting gas in the car. i went in to
pay. i came back our and mu girlfriend was putting a new one of the same
stickers back in the place...she shook my hand and said...." welcome back
outta the closet....we missed you"

i laughed and decided right there that when i moved back to the town where
all my family lives i would not remove any stickers..the ig, daemon, the
rainbows etc because it is my life, my small part of the world. the choice
is mine....each day to do and act as i would as long as it doesn't harm
another.
everything we do is our choice. kissing my g/f at the phx zoo was my
choice...her kissing me back was hers....the three of us ( me, g/f and
daughter) doing a group hug and walking around together holding hands was
our choice.

people have a choice to deal with it or get upset. usually those who get
upset...are merely upset with some of their own choices in life and choose
to "act out" against us because we are free enough to act out our choices.
yes sometimes we get hurt....but i would rather live as i want and need to
than hide and deny my love , friendship and being to accommodate those
around me who are unhappy with their lives.

the indigo girls along with several other artist have enabled me to
understand this. and this really is not only limited to sexual orientation
or any one subject......it is actually broad spectrum to all choices we make
in each day of our lives....to wake up happy or bitter...toast or muffin,
all decisions are ours and we must all realize that we can not blame anyone
but ourselves for our decisions...right or wrong.

sometimes i think that being secure enough in yourself on all topics makes
those around us who are not as strong or secure feel as they are lacking and
therefore in their nature they push someone else down to make themselves
feel higher or better....which is very sad but it happens in every area, all
aspects o life...we just have to remember that ultimately we are responsible
for our own happiness. even tho it may come with pain and ridicule...if it
is a decision we are happy with  and we feel it is best for our self..then
it is..most of the time.

sparkie...crawling down off the soap box and gazing at the picture of my
partner on my desk and wall.........

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hey all,

my girlfriend and i spent a week in disney world earlier this month
and we held hands everywhere. except the bathroom.

we got a couple nasty glares from a few people but beyond
that goofy, pooh, tigger and the mouse didn't seem to have
a problem with it.

"anywhere" might almost be possible. except at her
parent's house, unfortunately.

kc


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> >>if you want to live in a world where you can put your partner's
> picture up in your office, then put your partner's picture up, and you
> will live in that world.  if you want to live in a world where you can
> hold your lover's hand on the subway, or on the sidewalk, or in the
> mall, then hold your lover's hand on the subway, on the sidewalk, or in
> the mall, and you will live in that world."<<
>
> yeah!  i thought this speech was so powerful i came home and put a
> picture of my partner and me on my desk at the office that next week.
> and on the way home from the march my partner and i deliberately held
> hands from the train to the car through the philadelphia train station
> very deliberately.  i also put a rainbow sticker in my car window.  i
> just have to get past the worry about what people's reaction might be
> and just "live in my world".  it's a slow but very empowering process.

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admittedly, you don't want to be too out if you feel you'd be in danger, but
in most cases, we feel subconscious because of ourselves and not because of
others' real reactions.  it has been my own experience that my perceptions
were far worse than the reality of how i was perceived coming out (with the
one exception of my parents).  by and large, it has been an overwhelmingly
positive experience, so much so that now it's so commonplace to me to hold
her hand, kiss her in public, etc. that i kinda forget that we're 'supposed'
to be different.  even my friends have forgotten that we're 'supposed' to be
different.  one even said, upon my recent job search "oh yeah, if you get a
contract position, you can just go onto susan's health policy" - and i just
sorta stared at him, and he just stared back, realization set in and then he
was like, "oh yeah, shit, that sucks."  did i mention that i live in the
capital of the confederacy, right here in good ol' redneck gunrack in the
truck window, confederate flag wavin' richmond, va?

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okay, so chris' tickets to the 6/7 show have already been sold.
anyone else out there happen to have 3 tickets to sell for either the 6/7 or
6/8 show? a girl can hope, can't she?

thanks,
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hey there.
is anyone planning on attending the toronto show?
any chances of a listmeet?
tami

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if you check out there website, michfest.com, you can read 100's of messages
about the trans issue.  also, there evidently was an 'issue' last year with a
person from 'camp trans' (an ftom, by the way) which i think sheds light on
how the whole trans policy is arbitrary, divisive and counter productive.

certainly, being a fest 'virgin' and all, my opinions may be totally
misguided.
but, (pardon me) shit, if an ftm can get in, (and i'm pretty sure i could get
in, a dyke-born-dyke) than certainly, a woman (or womyn, wommon, etc) who's
birth physiology may not have matched her gender should be allowed in (if i
were running it...which obviously i ain't.  (: )

-hothead melsian

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could those of you interested in discussing further the trans/michigan issue
please take it to private e-mail? i'm sick and tired of it being the focus
of any and every discussion about the mwmf. if the fest is going to be
discussed on this list, can we keep it at least music related if not ig
related?

someone seemed surprised that ig would play the fest and doubted that their
scheduled appearance was actually fact. ig has already played michigan once
before, in 1998 i believe. yes, amy was quoted in ms. magazine circa 1990
nor '91 as saying that ig would never play women-only events because they
felt them to be exclusionary. they have since changed their minds (after
years of battling the sexist music industry) and recognize the value for
many women (not all women) of having women-only space and events.

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a quote from amy:

"i went through a time where i didn't like separatist functions and all
that. then i grew up and had to face my own fears and stuff. to me, the
importance of those festivals is a safe space..." -1998 -- cybergrrl

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just thought i'd mention, anyone on here who doesn't have rites of
passage, go out, and get it. now. are you still reading this?  you need
this cd.

sowwy, i just got it, and think everyone on the planet needs to have it..
*grin*

  -- sarahemm

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ok, i am putting in my 2 cents.  i am a heterosexual female and i would say
that anything a heterosexual couple does, so should a homosexual couple do
in public.  i must say i don't appreciate any couple being all over each
other in a public place, but if you are just showing your affection for one
another by holding hands and cuddling, who cares.  i am happy for anyone who
can find a person to do those things with.

those who it bothers are not worth thinking twice about.

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i'm planning on attending the festival from monday the 7th through sunday
the 13th. is anyone planning on driving up from chicago? i'd be very
interested in carpooling with anyone as i'm flying into the city to visit
a friend the weekend before, but am having scheduling problems trying to
get to and from the festival by plane or train. please email me directly
if you're interested.

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with all this talk about michigan i just had to add my
own thoughts.  especially since i am going with my
sister and her 6 month old little boy.  she has been
told not to be offended if people say something.

i do agree that michigan should stay women only. right
or wrong some women feel threaten with men around and
for some michigan is the only time of the year they
feel as if they can be themselves.  whether people
want to admitt it or not men have different energy,
not bad, but different.  not to mention there are
men's festivals where no women are allowed.

for those who can't handle a six month old boy on the
ground, i would tell them to find something else to
bitch about.  a six month old will remember nothing
and can't say anything for that matter.  in fact boys
after four are not allowed in the main festival
because they will begin to have memories.

i will end this and just say if you have never been
you must go.  the energy is wonderful, peaceful, and
accepting.  i've never experienced anything like it.

alice

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it was my understanding that boys are permitted at michigan up to the age of
six...?  am i incorrect?

~~rainne
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>with all this talk about michigan i just had to add my
>own thoughts.  especially since i am going with my
>sister and her 6 month old little boy.  she has been
>told not to be offended if people say something.
>
>i do agree that michigan should stay women only. right
>or wrong some women feel threaten with men around and
>for some michigan is the only time of the year they
>feel as if they can be themselves.  whether people
>want to admitt it or not men have different energy,
>not bad, but different.  not to mention there are
>men's festivals where no women are allowed.
>
>for those who can't handle a six month old boy on the
>ground, i would tell them to find something else to
>bitch about.  a six month old will remember nothing
>and can't say anything for that matter.  in fact boys
>after four are not allowed in the main festival
>because they will begin to have memories.
>
>i will end this and just say if you have never been
>you must go.  the energy is wonderful, peaceful, and
>accepting.  i've never experienced anything like it.
>
>alice
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um if you can tell me where theres someting like the womyns festivile id
like to know speically fi the girls will be playing there as for the 6
month old not remmbering anything dont bet on it

on thu, 1 jun 2000, alice jensen wrote:

> with all this talk about michigan i just had to add my
> own thoughts.  especially since i am going with my
> sister and her 6 month old little boy.  she has been
> told not to be offended if people say something.
>
> i do agree that michigan should stay women only. right
> or wrong some women feel threaten with men around and
> for some michigan is the only time of the year they
> feel as if they can be themselves.  whether people
> want to admitt it or not men have different energy,
> not bad, but different.  not to mention there are
> men's festivals where no women are allowed.
>
> for those who can't handle a six month old boy on the
> ground, i would tell them to find something else to
> bitch about.  a six month old will remember nothing
> and can't say anything for that matter.  in fact boys
> after four are not allowed in the main festival
> because they will begin to have memories.
>
> i will end this and just say if you have never been
> you must go.  the energy is wonderful, peaceful, and
> accepting.  i've never experienced anything like it.
>
> alice
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hello all,
if anyone is leaving from va highlands, little 5p, emory,
buckhead/midtown....to go to friday's chastain show can i catch a ride??
if so, you can call me at work on friday (404) 355-2300.
thanks!
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hi folks,

a brief reminder...

delete all unnecessary text when sending replies to the list.  this
includes headers, non-relevant text, signatures, etc.

also, please do not send "me too" posts to the list.  these should be
sent to the original poster, not the list at large.

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hi folks,

a revised version of the list faq will be sent out on friday june 2.

some significant changes have been made to sections 5, 6, and 7.

please read and save this material.  as a list member, you are
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the monthly trivia games at dug are back!  this month in honor of daemon
records 10th anniversary we are doing a "strictly daemon" contest.

we also still have our original tuff cookie game up.... it seems it was
a bit harder than we thought it would be!  but there is a real answer we
swear and one of you will figure it out!   as an incentive, we've upped
the prize pack and given a hint -- so go and play and win cool stuff.

to play the games go to www.daemonunderground.com and click on contests.

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ok folks, this must be my week at work!!!!!  i just had the oppurtunity to
come out of the closet at my other job...so i am free and clean at both
jobs!!!!!!!!i love it...it is really nice to be able to go to work and not
have to worry about things like that!!!!
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i have to tickets for steely dan on june 3 at the gorge in george,
washington. we can't go because we have to fly out of town. i am willing to
sell one or both. one for $75 or both for $140. this is well below wht i
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> i do agree that michigan should stay women only. right
> or wrong some women feel threaten with men around and
> for some michigan is the only time of the year they
> feel as if they can be themselves.  whether people
> want to admitt it or not men have different energy,
> not bad, but different.  not to mention there are
> men's festivals where no women are allowed.

*sigh* my wife is more woman than alot of so-called womyn-born-womyn i meet.
*i* have more male energy than she does. so should i be excluded even
thought the last time i checked, i have a vagina and the requisite boobs,
small as they may be?


> i will end this and just say if you have never been
> you must go.  the energy is wonderful, peaceful, and
> accepting.  i've never experienced anything like it.

as long as my wife is not going to be welcome there, or alot of my tg
friends, i will refuse to participate or otherwise support this
discriminatory organization.

ryan

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this same debate rages on every year, and while i grow weary of it, i will
add my two cents.  the mwmf is only one example of a growing trend in our
society.  even in my rural area, women only establishments are starting to
form.  women have battled for years to integrate themselves into what was
once a male dominated society.  now that something closely related to
equilibrium in our society has been reached, a number of females want to
push the pendulum in the opposite direction.

the organizers of this event and others like it should realize that their
cause would better be served (and their point better made) if they were to
open their arms to their fellow person.  regardless of gender.   i don't
just support women's rights, i support human rights.  man, woman, child,
gay, straight, ts, tv, tg, black, jew, christian, muslim, agnostic, asian...
it's all the same.  people are not necessarily defined by their genitalia.

how would you feel about a barbara streisand concert where only jews were
allowed in?  or a rap concert where only black persons were admitted?

with that in mind, it is easy to see how something like lillith fair did
more to promote equality among the sexes.  by not placing restrictions on
the gender of persons who might attend, it was able to reach a vastly wider
audience and quite possibly enlighten those that needed it most.

it can be hard sometimes for a heterosexual male (maybe even homosexual too,
although i have no basis of perspective there) in this climate.   just using
ig as an example... their music should be able to be loved and appreciated
by everyone, but it's events like this that hamper that ability.  i don't
mind taking shit from people who give me a hard time because my favorite
band is a couple of politically active lesbians who's fan base is
predominantly female.  these are just people that have yet to be enlightened
in the ways of all things indigo.  but when something like this comes along,
it feels like a stab in the back.  if you want to know how it feels, watch
the world according to garp.

for me it really wouldn't matter if i could go or not because it's expensive
and far away.  but i still must object on principle.  i mean, what kind of a
world do we live in where dr. laura could go, but ig loving males could not?
you may not like or agree with my opinions, but that's how i feel.  so flame
away i guess.  and no, i don't like rush limbaugh!

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folks -
sorry if this has been posted a billion times but....
does anyone know who is opening tonight?
a friend of mine said michelle malone but i read a post on here the other
day that did not have her listed to open in atlanta.
any help is appreciated.
thanks so much and see you at the show!
lisa


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it was my understanding that boys are permitted at
michigan up to the
age of
six...?  am i incorrect?

i am pretty sure it is four, but go to
www.michfest.com and that will tell you everything you
need to know.  alice

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in a message dated 6/2/00 5:34:25 am eastern daylight time, chaos808@gte.net
writes:

<< it can be hard sometimes for a heterosexual male (maybe even homosexual
too,
although i have no basis of perspective there) in this climate.   just using
ig as an example... their music should be able to be loved and appreciated
by everyone, but it's events like this that hamper that ability.  >>

personally i think mwmf should let post-op mtf in.  i'm sure many have gone
and not bothered to tell the organizers.  it's like don't ask, don't tell
which we all know "don't" work.  :/

as for a women only concert;  once a year the igs play a concert which is
women only at a week long women's only camping festival.....i dont think that
the one time they have an all female audience in such a male dominated world
hampers anyone's ability to love and appreciate them.   if you are female and
live in a male dominated world going to a festival is an amazing experience
because it doesn't exist anywhere else.  it's like a breath of fresh air.
the other 99.99% of their concerts are open to anyone who can afford them.

<< but when something like this comes along,
it feels like a stab in the back.  if you want to know how it feels, watch
the world according to garp.>>

woman know exactly how it feels because unlike you, we live with it every
day.   chris,  i don't want you to feel flamed but it is very hard to feel
sorry for you.  i understand that a women only concert would make you fee
left out but i also feel like you have no idea of what a privelege you have
to be a male in this world.

indi

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hey everybody:

i just wanted to let all of you travellers out there planning
to come to the beautiful city of boston next weekend for
the big shows at fleetboston pavilion know that we are
planning to have a list meet before the show.

it is at jimbo's fish shanty (not to be confused with jimmy's
harborside restaurant) on northern avenue practically across
the street from fleetboston pavilion.  i made a reservation for
6:00 pm for about 30 people, but i will probably be cutting it
down to 20.

if you would like to come, we would love to see ya, so please
email me at woodlady14@hotmail.com and let me know so
i can finalize my count for the reservation.

directions will follow soon (but not from me .... i can't drive...
i'd be no help).

have a happy friday and a great weekend!

cathy (who is a little sad because her best friend at work
is leaving the company to persue her own business)

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>  woman know exactly how it feels because unlike you, we live with it every
> day.   chris,  i don't want you to feel flamed but it is very hard to feel
> sorry for you.  i understand that a women only concert would make you fee
> left out but i also feel like you have no idea of what a privelege you have
> to be a male in this world.
privelege?? please i being a native american hetro male get just as must
crap and discrimation as anyone else .
i had a job recently and i got fired
why did i get fired you may as
because i made a racist comment according to them
when i inqured what racist comment
they said " did you talk abotu greens in class"

yes  greens mustard turnip collard gee i guess only certian folks eat them

i cant tell you the many times i have had to deal with reverse
discrimation and crap because i stick up for womans rights and rights of
everyone .
so if this is a privalage losing my job being harrased by my female black
boss etc etc then id reallyk hate to see how women have it
im not a racist or a homophob or a transgendered terrifed ( heh just made
the last one up heh) my niece is married to a black man they have 2 lovely
kids with one on the way i carry their pics in my wallet.

so sorry there is no privalage being male maybe there once was but their
isnt anymore
think about it how many places were male only and were forced to let women
in ?? because it was right because it was discrimitory?? men dont need to
be empowered also?> they get battered also just like women lose their jobs
just like women

i am for equal rights  think about it wouild the girls play an all male
only audience  where women are not allowed? i dont think so

and as for jobs ill add this i once lost a job because the boss ( male)
was jealous his girlfriend liked me.

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i recently bought the counting crows cds live across the wire ( which is
put out by geffen and let me say i think the crows suck lve ill stick to
their studio releases) but on the front the sticker states theres 24
tracks
i dont know how they add in california but here in michiga
cd 1 : 9 tracks
cd 2 : 12 tracks
----------------
21 tracks  not 24
when i called geffen on this their response was to hang up on me
when i called back they said if your not happy return it no one cares
i said is false advertising and the government wouild care if htey found
out
which the guy then said sick the government on us we dont care when i
asked to speak to his boss he said no and hung up again

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>so sorry there is no privalage being male maybe there once was but their
isnt anymore

really?  i just heard that female news anchors make 28% less than their male
counterparts.  why?  because the people making the salary decisions are men.

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yeah, geffen sucks. they dropped aimme mann like a hot potato after she
recorded an album they didn't like. she had to come up with the money to buy
back the masters so she could release these songs that she had worked so
hard to create.

now she has her own indie label. which is much better for her in the long
run anyway. let's hear it for the independents!

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and my black boss paid the black girl 15% more then she did me for doing
the same job and i had more expereince
as i said equal rights for all

on fri, 2 jun 2000, sheryl jones wrote:

> >so sorry there is no privalage being male maybe there once was but their
> isnt anymore
>
> really?  i just heard that female news anchors make 28% less than their male
> counterparts.  why?  because the people making the salary decisions are men.
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i liked her when she was with imago i think it was called
the cd that has jacobmarlys chains i tihnk its called im with stupid

on fri, 2 jun 2000, robbin love wrote:

> yeah, geffen sucks. they dropped aimme mann like a hot potato after she
> recorded an album they didn't like. she had to come up with the money to buy
> back the masters so she could release these songs that she had worked so
> hard to create.
>
> now she has her own indie label. which is much better for her in the long
> run anyway. let's hear it for the independents!
>
> ~robbin
>
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indigo girls, joan jett, kathleen hanna donate items to bluestockings auction
may 30, 2000, 10:00 am pt


joan jett
indigo girls, joan jett, kathleen hanna (formerly of bikini kill, currently
in le tigre), and feminist author gloria steinem have donated personal items
for a silent auction that is part of the first birthday celebration for a new
york women's bookstore, bluestockings.

the indigo girls' donation will be signed copies of rare and out-of-print eps
and posters; hanna is donating a le tigre goodie bag featuring band
merchandise; steinem is giving up signed copies of one of her books; and
jett, according to a spokesperson for the event, "said she would look around
her room and grab something."

the silent auction -- to help raise money for the store -- is part of the all
day birthday celebration on june 3 for bluestockings. in addition, the event
will include performances from the band bitch.


sue

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on fri, 2 jun 2000, mark donajkowski wrote:

> i recently bought the counting crows cds live across the wire ( which is
> put out by geffen and let me say i think the crows suck lve

   don't judge by "across a wire," which for the life of me i can't figure
out why...it's a poor release, and they're a great live band -- i just
went as a favor to a dumped friend, and ended up a convert.
   there's an art to live releases, which is very different from producing
in a studio -- both "across a wire" and the springsteen "live 75-85" have
disappointed me in recent times -- both artists are phenomenal live
performers, and great studio bands, to boot.

> when i called geffen on this their response was to hang up on me
> when i called back they said if your not happy return it no one cares
> i said is false advertising and the government wouild care if htey found
> out

   geffen is now owned by universal music group.  i would take this up the
chain, if i were you, just to be pissy.  you may also get some free swag
out of it -- i got a defective cd from a&m (granted, back in the pre-umg
days) and called them -- they not only replaced it, but sent me a crapload
of singles and promo stuff.

   free stuff good.  ("napster bad.")

   darius

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   - larry wall

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mark wrote:

>i liked her when she was with imago i think it was called
the cd that has jacobmarlys chains i tihnk its called im with stupid

yeah, that was a great album. (thanks for putting that jacob marley song in
my head!)

have you heard the soundtrack from "magnolia"? it's almost all aimee and an
awesome work of art.

~robbin

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i've stayed out of this annual discussion although i have been sorely
tempted to comment a number of times (deb's post and a couple of tara's
immediately come to mind) - for the record, i have no problem with
women-only events, even though most of my closest friends are women (many of
whom are more 'butch' than i am - not that that's a difficult status to
attain) ;)

i wouldn't want to go anywhere where my physical presence would be
distressful to those that don't know me - although it does hurt a bit to be
judged by outward appearances -so what else is new?

the 'privilege' of being male is not always as it seems, especially if one
does not happen to fit into a convenient stereotype....

have fun y'all - if it weren't for a mutant chromosome, i'd be there with
you in more than spirit....

peace,
tim

>  woman know exactly how it feels because unlike you, we live with it every
> day.   chris,  i don't want you to feel flamed but it is very hard to feel
> sorry for you.  i understand that a women only concert would make you fee
> left out but i also feel like you have no idea of what a privelege you
have
> to be a male in this world.
>
> indi

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mark wrote:

>and my black boss paid the black girl 15% more then she did me for doing
the same job and i had more expereince as i said equal rights for all

careful now, you're treading in racist waters with that statement. i know
you're native american, but horizontal oppression (oppression across already
oppressed classes) can be just as ugly and hurtful as white racism. when
we're dealing with societal trends, we have to speak in generalizations.
there will always be people and situations who don't fall within the greater
trend. that's basic sociology 101.

how about we focus on the real enemy, the white patriarchal capitalist
heterosexist industrial war machine? of course, that's probably better
discussed on a different list. :)

~robbin


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to my knoweledge (which is severly limited) tonight's opening act is spearhead...d:)

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how is that treading  she was blacvk and the girl was black i said nothing
deroigitory nor racist i stated a fact the color of their skin period

on fri, 2 jun 2000, robbin love wrote:

> mark wrote:
>
> >and my black boss paid the black girl 15% more then she did me for doing
> the same job and i had more expereince as i said equal rights for all
>
> careful now, you're treading in racist waters with that statement. i know
> you're native american, but horizontal oppression (oppression across already
> oppressed classes) can be just as ugly and hurtful as white racism. when
> we're dealing with societal trends, we have to speak in generalizations.
> there will always be people and situations who don't fall within the greater
> trend. that's basic sociology 101.
>
> how about we focus on the real enemy, the white patriarchal capitalist
> heterosexist industrial war machine? of course, that's probably better
> discussed on a different list. :)
>
> ~robbin
>
>
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on fri, 2 jun 2000, robbin love wrote:

> how about we focus on the real enemy, the white patriarchal capitalist
> heterosexist industrial war machine?

   say that 10 times, really fast.  :)

   darius

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will that make it disappear?


> > how about we focus on the real enemy, the white patriarchal capitalist
> > heterosexist industrial war machine?
>
>    say that 10 times, really fast.  :)
>
>    darius

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man this is so fun... i have so many questions, so little time, so i'll try
and offend everybody...

<<personally i think mwmf should let post-op mtf in.  i'm sure many have
gone and not bothered to tell the organizers.>>

i have been wondering all this time how exactly one would check for this...
(i also surfed their site and didn't find anything about tg folks... but
then i also didn't find anywhere it said no men so surely i'm missing
something...)

<<as for a women only concert;  once a year the igs play a concert which is
women only... i dont think that the one time they have an all female
audience... hampers anyone's ability to love and appreciate them.>>

absolutely. i mean, it's not like anyone's going to be unable to see them
anywhere else.

i remember ani difranco telling how she played there but her drummer had to
sit in the car 'cause he wasn't allowed to play. so maybe the mwmf is
missing out on blair cunningham's electrifying stage presence. serves them
right for not... you get the idea :o)

<<think about it how many places were male only and were forced to let women
in ?? because it was right because it was discrimitory??>>

i'm sure that everyone who is in favour of women-only events is in favor of
men-only establishments. and vice-versa.
unfortunately people of the same gender tend to have different opinions on
such matters. it would be wrong of you to suggest all women are hyppocrites
(sp?).

<<i just heard that female news anchors make 28% less than their male
counterparts.  why?  because the people making the salary decisions are
men>>

the people making salary decisions are businesspeople. if i may paraphrase
the great maralyn vos savant:
if a woman could do exactly the same job as a man (or offer the same
service) then women would be in all the top jobs - it's only good business
practice to keep salaries to a minimum. so there must be some additional
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factors involved. (certainly a private email discussion.)

<<21 tracks  not 24>>

you forgot the hidden track(s). and there is at least one.
sounds like you have a perfect excuse to return an opened disc you don't
like. treasure the moment.

<<how about we focus on the real enemy, the white patriarchal capitalist
heterosexist industrial war machine?>>

that's me!!!
focus on me!!!
lavish me with your... no, wait, you said hetrosex~ist~ (don't ask about the
war machine...)

:o)

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mark wrote:

>how is that treading  she was blacvk and the girl was black i said >nothing
>deroigitory nor racist i stated a fact the color of their skin >period

i could be mistaken, and apologize if that's the case, but the tone of your
statement in both e-mails seemed a bit hostile. some would say that simply
pointing out these two women's skin color was racist in and of itself; we
were talking gender, not race, at the outset were we not?

~robbin


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> on fri, 2 jun 2000, robbin love wrote:
>
> > how about we focus on the real enemy, the white patriarchal capitalist
> > heterosexist industrial war machine?

is that the real enemy, or could it perhaps be the global corporate
economy, burning human lives to feed bank accounts?

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graham wrote:

>is that the real enemy, or could it perhaps be the global corporate
>economy, burning human lives to feed bank accounts?

that would be part of patricapitalism in all it's ugliness.

~robbin


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we were talking equality for all as for hostile no trust me you will know
when im hostile

on fri, 2 jun 2000, robbin love wrote:

> mark wrote:
>
> >how is that treading  she was blacvk and the girl was black i said >nothing
> >deroigitory nor racist i stated a fact the color of their skin >period
>
> i could be mistaken, and apologize if that's the case, but the tone of your
> statement in both e-mails seemed a bit hostile. some would say that simply
> pointing out these two women's skin color was racist in and of itself; we
> were talking gender, not race, at the outset were we not?
>
> ~robbin
>
>
> ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
>
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>
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>
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on fri, 2 jun 2000, robbin love wrote:

> > > how about we focus on the real enemy, the white patriarchal capitalist
> > > heterosexist industrial war machine?
> >
> >    say that 10 times, really fast.  :)
>
> will that make it disappear?

   bah -- i'll be a dead, cold white capitalist industrialized
heterosexual before you and your lesbofeminazi friends can wrest away my
ayn rand books!!!

   (dangit!  i had something humourous to say, but the man is calling me
for a meeting.)

   darius

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mark (and anyone else who doesn't use periods)

not a flame, but, some punctuation usage is good.  omission of such can
change the meaning of your statement(s), not to mention that it is just
a waste of time and just slightly annoying to have to read a post
without punctuation 4 or 5 times to get the intent of what you are
saying.  sorry if you think i'm being too picky.

elaine

mark donajkowski wrote:
>
> we were talking equality for all as for hostile no trust me you will know
> when im hostile
>
> on fri, 2 jun 2000, robbin love wrote:
>
> > mark wrote:
> >
> > >how is that treading  she was blacvk and the girl was black i said >nothing
> > >deroigitory nor racist i stated a fact the color of their skin >period
> >
> > i could be mistaken, and apologize if that's the case, but the tone of your
> > statement in both e-mails seemed a bit hostile. some would say that simply
> > pointing out these two women's skin color was racist in and of itself; we
> > were talking gender, not race, at the outset were we not?
> >
> > ~robbin
> >
> >
> > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
> >
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> >
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darius wrote:

>bah -- i'll be a dead, cold white capitalist industrialized
>heterosexual before you and your lesbofeminazi friends can wrest away my
>ayn rand books!!!

don't underestimate the power of the lesbofeminazis.
we have an agenda, as jerry falwell and pat robertson can well tell you.

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>we were talking equality for all...

how odd, i must have been reading a different conversation.

~robbin

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<<don't underestimate the power of the lesbofeminazis.
we have an agenda, as jerry falwell and pat robertson can well
tell you.>>

but as some of the recent mwmf posts will attest:
a genda isn't always set in stone...

*drum roll*
*crash*

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does anyone have info about ticket sales, etc? thanks so much :)

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neil, that was bad. really bad. ;)

~robbin

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internet onsale: sunday, june 04, 2000, 10:00am

that's from ticketmaster.  :)
that's about all i know, but it should help ya out somewhat!
see ya at the show!
...stacy

ps...ok, i know that the sac show goes onsale the 3rd @ 10am, but who
from???  anyone clue me in before they go onsale???  :)

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hi folks,

hope your friday is a good one and to those overseas, i hope you're having
a good weekend.

although i find the racism/mwmf thread to be a very interesting debate, i
was wondering if it could be taken to private email.  my inbox is becoming
quite the full one with the messages revolving around the issue and the
back and forths that accompany them.

thanks all,

carrie
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july 9th with her honey)

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i am just getting a *leetle* confused, nothing out of the ordinary, i assure
you :)
<< internet onsale: sunday, june 04, 2000, 10:00am>>

this is for the berkeley greek show? can we *only* get tickets through
online/ticketmaster?

<< ps...ok, i know that the sac show goes onsale the 3rd @ 10am, but who
from???  anyone clue me in before they go onsale???  :)>>>

i didn't know they went on sale tomorrow at 10 a.m. sheet. i am doing a
friends of the urban forest thingey and have committed to planting trees from
8 a.m.-1:00 p.m.

is it only possible to buy tickets online? the last time i did this with last
years greek show, our seats really stunk :(  i was hoping to camp out there
and improve chances of getting a decent spot. any advice?
thanks,
katherine

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hey all...my incredibly awsome friends red letter day have their schedule
for june and july. i shared commonbonds and here is red letter days. aj and
suzanna are red letter day, then suzanna has solo gigs, and aj has another
band called players...all three are on this schedule! if anyone is in the
area of any of these, go go go! they have actually shared the stage a few
times w/ our girls and opened for dar and jan arden and edwin mccain and a
slew of others. i have mentioned them before w/ their bed and breakfast
studio openining. just wanted to share this w/ fellow appreciators of music.
(rld is blues, folk, rock, country, and everything in btwn. suzanna plays
guitar, mandilin and banjo; and aj playes alto and tenor sax, percussion,
harmonica, recorder, and bass. they bring the word talent to new levels and
they are amazing songwriters.) have a great weekend all. btw, ill be at the
visions show in durham at visions in durham, nc next sunday. i think sunday
the 11th is nc gay pride day and it starts at 3pm and suzanna plays at 7!
see yas monday. (if anyone goes to any of these shows please tell suzanna or
aj (which ever show one may go to) that cara sent ya!

>catch the three
>different shows of red letter day, aj with the players and suzanna solo!
>hope to see you soon!
>
>june
>thu    1    shackleford's, williamsburg, va 9pm 757-258-5559
>(tentative-suzanna solo)
>fri      2    surfside deck, atlantic city,nj 10pm  609-348-3310  (rld)
>sat    3    rose & crown, lewes, de  9pm  (aj w/ players)
>sun   4    frederick festival of the arts, frederick,md 1pm   (rld)
>wed   7    frogg pond, rehoboth beach,de 9pm (aj w/ players)
>wed   7    hartigan's, charlotte, nc 8pm  704-347-1841  (suzanna solo)
>thu    8    babes, richmond, va 8pm  804-355-9330 (suzanna solo)
>fri      9    celsius, rehoboth beach,de 9:30pm  (aj w/ players)
>fri      9    rt. 64 cafe, manteo, nc 9pm 252-473-6081  (suzanna solo)
>sat    10  uncle louie's, norfolk, va  9pm  757-480-1225 (suzanna solo)
>sun   11  vision's (formally all about eve), durham, nc  7pm  919-688-3002
>(suzanna solo)
>wed   14  starbuck's, glen burnie, md 6:30pm 410-766-571 (suzanna solo)
>thu    15  coconuts, baltimore, md 8:30pm 410-383-0064  (suzanna solo)
>fri      16  frogg pond,  rehoboth beach, de  9pm  (rld)
>sat    17  frogg pond,  rehoboth beach, de  9pm  (rld)
>wed   21  frogg pond, rehoboth beach,de 9pm (aj w/ players)
>thu    22   shackleford's, williamsburg, va 9pm 757-258-5559
>(tentative-suzanna solo)
>fri      23   irish eyes, lewes, de 9:30pm  (aj w/ players)
>fri      23   pink lizard, harrisburg, pa  9pm  717-939-1123 (suzanna solo)
>sat    24   squiggy's, binghamton, ny  9pm  607-722-2299  (rld)
>wed   28   bethesda row, bethesda, md 7-8pm  (rld)
>fri      30   call concert line  410-860-6962
>
>
>july so far
>sat      1   rt. 64 cafe, manteo, nc  5pm  252-473-6081  (suzanna solo)
>sun     2   rt. 64 cafe, manteo, nc  4pm 252-473-6081  (rld)
>
>order red letter day cd's online at:
>www.cdbaby.com
>www.amazon.com
>www.redletterday.com
>www.ladyslipper.org
>
>check out catrina and cate's rld website:
>www.rldfans.com
>
>rldgirlz@redletterday.com
>www.redletterday.com
>concert line: 410-860-6962
>
>
>
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>
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ok folks.....  this is a busy weekend for all of us ticket buyers, but this
is what i have been able to glean over the past few weeks....

tickets for the sacramento concert on july 21st at sacramento memorial
auditorium at 7:30pm go onsale tomorrow, june 3rd at 10:00am at all bass
ticket centers or at the sacramento convention center box office.  all
seating is reserved with tickets at $35.00 and $27.50  (my own note - the
27.50 tix are probably for the upper level.....)

tickets for the uc berkeley greek theatre july 22nd concert, 7:30pm go on
sale this sunday at 10am via ticketmaster ticket centers.  the online
ticketmaster site does not have prices listed - but during the past few
tour stops at the greek theatre, there have been both reserved and gen'l
admission seating with the price differential between the two around 10-15
$....  and the tickets may be purchased from ticketmaster on line, by
calling (415) 421-8497 or by going to any ticketmaster ticket center
(recording says in all rite aids...)

hope this helps!

carrie

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to paraphrase (bastardize?) amy doing porgy and bess:

     "suuummmertimmme and the bitchin' is easy...."

look, i'm a het wm, 31, married going on 2 years.  educated to a doctorate
at all the elite schools.  taken a job as a capitalist pig (strategy
consultant, close enough**) after seeing there was little if any future for
me in the wonderful world of astrophysics.  on paper i'm about as close to
the stereotype of "the man" as you can really hope to get.

anyway, i don't live my life on paper.  i hope i am not judged by the
paper.  people on this list who know me i hope would tell you that the
person is not the paper.  but somehow in discussions along the lines of the
mwmf -- i (and everyone else) sems to become a piece of paper.

this time quoting amy:

    "gotta learn to accept what we don't understand"

i don't pretend to understand what its like to be a woman, gay, of color,
etc.  i'm not a fan of the mwmf because pesonally i believe that people
should be evaluated as people not on the basis of what hangs, did hang, or
might soon hang (or not) between my legs.  i'm not a fan, but i can't judge
either.  i accept that people are telling me its empowering and that there
is value there.

i do understand that there is the need for a "space of openness and
freedom." i also accept that that need may be more intense more the more
maringaized/oppressed segments of society.  personally i wish such a  space
was everywhere, all the time.  i understand and accept its not and its a
very special time when such a space comes into existance.  i'd ask if maybe
there are better ways of creating that space.  most of the ig shows i've
attended seemed to have such a space.  *shrug*  if you tell me its
different, i guess i have to take you at your word.  i'd also ask if the
space that's being created is worth the division it seems to generate even
with in the lbgt community.  maybe it is.  if so, then i'm glad that such a
space exists.  if not, well...  whatever.

at the same time, its really easy to scream out "you just don't understand"
or "get used to it, that's what being a _____ is all about."  fact is most
everyone has had their free space invaded (case in point -- at these same
ig shows, female empowerment frequently overruns into the the space of the
men's bathroom).  fact is that most people (regardless of labels) have had
their feelings negated or have been treated like a piece of paper instead
of a person -- it hurts, its frustrating.

all of this is to say that the mwmf, spaces, and the rest generates lots of
strong feelings.  every summer the bitchin' gets easy and it pours all over
this list.  if you can't completely understand the feelings and
frustrations, then simply accept that they exist and go from there.

oh and neil, you rock.

-- chris


** a side thought:  who else was really ticked off that the damn consultant
wasn't voted off the island first?!?  not even a single vote.  i mean,  the
man wanted a vision statement before they went to find water.  here's your
vision -- win $1mm while avoiding 3rd degree sunburn and eating as few rats
as possible.  now where is my $10k consulting fee.....

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boys are allowed to stay with their mothers til 4 i believe and then allowed
to go to the brother sun camp until ten years of age but they must stay at
brother sun the whol;e time their family is there...and not to the regular
festival .....
if you want some humor on the whole thing and like reading try armistead
maupins tales of the city series ....the 4 or 5th book significant others
goes into detail about the two lesbian characters taking their children
there and is kind of satiric bashing of mwmf but i laffed my ass of and
thoroughly enjoy his books......
-jess

it was my understanding that boys are permitted at
michigan up to the
age of
six...?  am i incorrect?


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blustockings, the feminist bookstore in nyc is having a birthday party.  for more info, check out http://www.bluestockings.com

7   9 p.m. readings, spoken-word, comedy, music and more!
leslie feinberg (transgender warrior)
marga gomez (sassy stand-up comic)
tristan taormino (sex expert and village voice columnist)
storme webber (poet and singer)
alix olson (slam champion)
bina sharif (actress, writer, director)
backdoor boys (our very own "boy" band)
florence yoo (nyc musician)
edith chevat (novelist)
dred (drag king extraordinaire)
karen london (of womanbooks, a women s bookstore matriarch)
jennifer baumgartner & amy richards (feminist activists & authors of manifesta)
martha canbera estevez (poet and activist)
amy jo goddard (performance artist)

erica

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i have only this to say:  we are all losing sight of the fact that we are
americans first and foremost.  all of us.  that and life is tough sometimes
and to varying degrees.  but still it is what you make it.  we live in the
best place in the world; we are free to have all these opinions.  we can't
just continue to separate ourselves from others in all these ways..... or we
will "politically correct" ourselves right out of freedom.

~t
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> >  woman know exactly how it feels because unlike you, we live with it
every
> > day.   chris,  i don't want you to feel flamed but it is very hard to
feel
> > sorry for you.  i understand that a women only concert would make you
fee
> > left out but i also feel like you have no idea of what a privelege you
have
> > to be a male in this world.
>  privelege?? please i being a native american hetro male get just as must
> crap and discrimation as anyone else .
> i had a job recently and i got fired
> why did i get fired you may as
> because i made a racist comment according to them
> when i inqured what racist comment
> they said " did you talk abotu greens in class"
>
> yes  greens mustard turnip collard gee i guess only certian folks eat them
>
> i cant tell you the many times i have had to deal with reverse
> discrimation and crap because i stick up for womans rights and rights of
> everyone .
> so if this is a privalage losing my job being harrased by my female black
> boss etc etc then id reallyk hate to see how women have it
> im not a racist or a homophob or a transgendered terrifed ( heh just made
> the last one up heh) my niece is married to a black man they have 2 lovely
> kids with one on the way i carry their pics in my wallet.
>
> so sorry there is no privalage being male maybe there once was but their
> isnt anymore
> think about it how many places were male only and were forced to let women
> in ?? because it was right because it was discrimitory?? men dont need to
> be empowered also?> they get battered also just like women lose their jobs
> just like women
>
> i am for equal rights  think about it wouild the girls play an all male
> only audience  where women are not allowed? i dont think so
>
> and as for jobs ill add this i once lost a job because the boss ( male)
> was jealous his girlfriend liked me.
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sorry t, i think first and foremost we're human beings...

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> boys are allowed to stay with their mothers til 4 i believe and then
allowed
> to go to the brother sun camp until ten years of age but they must stay at
> brother sun the whol;e time their family is there...and not to the regular
> festival .....

yeees.  let us teach them early to hate themselves so long as mommy is
content.  really.

> if you want some humor on the whole thing

any funnier and i start crying.  we've become a laughing stock!

listen, i am a gay 31 yrold woman.  but i am not gay first and above all
things.  i am not woman first or above all things.

first and above all things i am god's.
next i would say i am a fairly decent and loving partner; a wonderful
daughter; and a fine pedorthist.
then maybe i'm gay.

sheesh!

(and for the indigo content:  emily rocks my world!!)

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exactly!!  you get it!!  yaaay!! someone actually gets it!!

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> sorry t, i think first and foremost we're human beings...
>
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anybody know what jennifer baumgarder looks like?????   anybody know
where there is a pic of her?????   lynn

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<where dr. laura can go but ig loving males can't>
am having an odd mental  image of dr. laura at mwmf and what she would have
to say about it when she got back to the studio

"the apathy of time laughs in my face, you say 'each life has its
place'"--vw--es
"rock is cool, but the struggle is better"--go--ar
a+e=ig ;)

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hi folks,

it is time to take this discussion to private email.  at least one list
member has asked for this to be taken to another forum on list, and i
have received several more requests of the same nature.

please continue this discussion through another forum.

thank you.

jen lucero
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hi folks,

in a short while, version 2.1 of the list faq will be posted to the
list.

there have been changes made throughout, but in particular section 5
(posting guidelines) has been significantly modified.

these modifications have come about for a number of reasons but the main
factor is that this list has moved away from it's original purpose:

"the indigo girls mailing list is a fan forum devoted to discussion of
the music of the indigo girls and related artists."

please keep this in mind while reading the revised faq and when posting
to the list.

all are welcome on this list; to post, to meet new friends, to be a part
of this mailing list community.  but remember the purpose of the list
and your responsibility as a list member before posting.

thank you.

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welcome to the indigo girls mailing list!

please read and save this message which contains the indigo girls
mailing list faq, including a note for new list members, an
explanation of some handy listserv commands, and the posting
guidelines for the mailing list.  we also strongly recommend that you
read the indigo girls faq; many questions have been answered there
that are not addressed in this document.  (see below for instructions
on how to obtain the indigo girls faq.)

this list is maintained by jen lucero and jude shabry.  if you have
any questions or administrative problems regarding the list please
don't hesitate to contact us at indigo-girls-request@netspace.org.

welcome again and we hope you enjoy your stay!
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table of contents
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1. what's new in this faq
2. questions about the indigo girls mailing list
3. a note for new list members
4. questions about listserv commands
5. the posting guidelines
6. questions about indigo girls
7. miscellaneous questions
8. acknowledgments

1. what's new in this faq
=========================

june 2, 2000 - revision of faq; significant changes made to
     sections 5, 6 & 7.

2. questions about the indigo girls mailing list
================================================

2.1. what is the indigo girls mailing list?

the indigo girls mailing list is a fan forum devoted to discussion of
the music of the indigo girls and related artists.  all are welcome,
and we strive to maintain a friendly, flame-free atmosphere.
currently the list membership stands at roughly 600 members from all
walks of life and from all around the world.

2.2. do amy and emily know about the list, and how do they feel about
it?

amy and emily do know about the mailing list; indications are that
they have mixed feelings about it.  when asked in a 1994 interview
how she felt about the list amy said, "well, there are positive parts
about that.  a lot of that internet stuff has helped a lot of
musicians that i know as far as publishing tour schedules.  the only
negative ramification i see is when people start talking about your
personal life... i appreciate the support it gives us, but... well,
it is not necessary to try and guess where somebody lives.  or guess
where you saw somebody the other night... but the support of the
music itself, i think that is a brilliant idea.  to support musicians
through the whole computer system i think is great."

2.3. i can't handle all this mail.  is there a low-volume version of
this list available?

a fully moderated, news-only version of the indigo girls mailing list
was set up in february 1998.  for more information about the
news-only list, send the following command in the body of an email
message to majordomo@smoe.org
        info ig-news

the news-only list is intended for distribution of indigo girls
related information such as official news, tour information, news
articles etc.  it is owned and moderated by sherlyn koo
(sherlyn@fl.net.au).

please note that nothing will be sent to the news-only list that will
not also be sent to the "regular" list.  there is no need to
subscribe to both lists.

3. a note for new list members
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if you're new to this list, then welcome!  the list is a strange and
wonderful place.  it can, however, take some getting used to which is
why we have a few words of advice for new members:

    - it's often a good idea to wait a few days to get a "feel" for
        the list before posting for the first time.  this will also
        give you a chance to get up to date with the current topics
        of discussion.
    - read the posting guidelines and the faq files which have been
        set up to help you find your feet more quickly.
    - remember that some of the people on the list have been here for
        years and that discussions that seem new to you may have been
        hashed out many times before.  experience in reading the list
        and posting on certain issues will help you determine these
        sorts of things more easily.
    - most importantly - have fun!

4. questions about listserv commands
====================================

4.1. what email addresses do i need to know about?

the indigo girls mailing list is run using a software program called
date:       sat, 1 jul 2000 17:12:00 +0000
from: "l-soft list server at netspace.org (1.8d)"
      <listserv@netspace.org>
subject:      file: "indigo-girls log0006a"
to: underdog@earthlink.net

listserv on a server at brown university in rhode island.  listserv
has several addresses, each of which serve different purposes
relating to the list.  it is important to understand the function of
the different addresses and when you should send mail to each.

the three main addresses to note are:

1) indigo-girls@netspace.org - mail sent to this address will be
forwarded to each active member of the indigo girls mailing list.
as an anti-spam measure, messages from non-subscribers are rejected.
you should also think about whether or not your message conforms to
the posting guidelines which are laid out elsewhere in this faq.

2) listserv@netspace.org - all listserv commands should be sent here.

3) indigo-girls-request@netspace.org - all mail sent to this address
will be automatically forwarded to the mailing list owners.

4.2. what is the difference between the "bounce" and "digest" forms
of the list?

"bounce" means that messages will be individually "bounced" out to
you as soon as the list server receives them.  "digest" means the
list server will compile all messages sent to the list and send them
to you as one long message, either every 24 hours or when a certain
size quota is reached, whichever happens first.

4.3. what listserv commands do i need to know about?

here is an explanation of some of the most commonly used listserv
commands.  all these commands should be sent, in the body of an email
message, to listserv@netspace.org

1) to subscribe to the indigo girls mailing list:
        subscribe indigo-girls <your name>

replace "<your name>" with your real name.  you will be sent a
message which leads you through the second and final step of the
subscription process.

2) to unsubscribe from the indigo girls mailing list:
        signoff indigo-girls

3) to switch from bounce to digest form:
        set indigo-girls digest

4) to switch from digest to bounce form:
        set indigo-girls nodigest

5) to temporarily put your subscription "on hold" while on vacation:
        set indigo-girls nomail

note: if you are going away for a long time or leaving permanently
you should unsubscribe using the "signoff" command.

6) to reactivate your subscription after it's been set to "nomail":
        set indigo-girls mail

7) to get a list of names and email addresses of all current
non-concealed members of the indigo girls mailing list:
        review indigo-girls

8) to hide your name and email address from the "review" command:
        set indigo-girls conceal

note: if you set this option on, the list owners will still be
able to see you even though no one else can.

9) to find out your current subscription options for the indigo girls
mailing list:
        query indigo-girls

10) to get a basic help file on listserv commands:
        help

11) to get a more advanced help file on listserv commands:
        info refcard

12) to search the list archives:
        search indigo-girls <keyword>

replace "<keyword>" with the word or phrase you wish to search for
(minus the brackets).  more refined search options are available -
contact the list owners at indigo-girls-request@netspace.org for
more information.

4.4. what do i do if i have a problem with a listserv command?

some listserv commands, notably "signoff" and "set", will not work
unless you are sending your message from exactly the same address
under which you are subscribed to the list.  if you sent a command to
the list server and the server returned an error message reading "you
are not subscribed to the list", try sending the message again from
the same machine from which you originally subscribed.

if you sent a command to the list server and the server returned a
message reading "unknown command", read the help file available from
the server to find out the correct command syntax.

if you have read the help file, re-tried the command, and still
received an error message, contact the list owners, jen lucero
and jude shabry, at indigo-girls-request@netspace.org.

5. the posting guidelines
=========================

5.1. why do we need posting guidelines at all?

the posting guidelines are intended to help keep the list "on track".
always remember that the purpose of the list is to provide a forum
in which fans can discuss the music of the indigo girls.  please be
considerate and keep the posting guidelines in mind when posting to
the list.

5.2. what are the posting guidelines?

the guidelines for posting on the indigo girls mailing list are as
follows:

1) read the list and the indigo girls faq's before posting to the list.
(see below for instructions on obtaining the ig faq)

2) check your message headers before posting to the list.
mail intended for the whole list should be addressed to
"indigo-girls@netspace.org".  private responses to public messages
should be sent directly to the person to whom you wish to reply.

make sure that the subject line is relevant to the content of your
message.  add "nigc" to the subject if your message is not indigo
girls related. (more about this below)

3) foul language and offensive or derogatory statements are not
welcome on this list and repeat offenders are subject to removal
by the list owners.

4) delete all irrelevant text from quoted replies before posting.
this includes other peoples' signatures, any text that does not
pertain to the topic, and any message headers.

5) read through all your mail before you reply so repeat answers
are not posted.
if you want to reply to several different messages it is often
a good idea to consolidate your replies into one message rather
than sending several messages.

6) use private email where appropriate.
remember that the main purpose of the list is to discuss the music of
the indigo girls, so if your message is private or is not indigo
girls related, it may not always be appropriate to send it to the
entire list.

this does not mean that off-topic discussion is not welcome on the
list.  however, please limit discussion to subjects that have some
relevance to the music of the indigo girls.

7) mark non indigo girls related messages "nigc".
if you are sending a message to the list that is not directly indigo
girls related, you should mark the header "nigc", e.g.. "looking for ed
smith (nigc)".  this indicates that your message has no indigo girls
content.  again, please limit the discussion to subjects that have
some relevance to the music of indigo girls.

8) additional nigc posting guidelines:
in the interest of keeping the list focused on the music of the
indigo girls, the list owners reserve the right to end nigc threads
at any time.  (in general, most nigc threads are given a 48 hour
time frame.)

once this request (from the list owners or any list member) has been
posted, any further discussion should be taken to private email or
other forums.

if a list member decides to continue a nigc thread on-list, the
list owners reserve the right to remove repeat offenders.

this is not an attempt to eliminate nigc posts from the list
entirely, but an attempt to decrease the volume of nigc posts
and keep the list topics on track.

9) do not post gossip about amy and emily.
we respect amy and emily and their right to privacy.  therefore,
do not post any sort of gossip about their private lives to the
list.  note that this includes reports of "sightings", such as,
"i saw amy at the supermarket last night!"

10) keep your signature short (maximum four to six lines).

11) think before you flame, and if you must, do so via private email.
remember that if you send a flame, it reflects not only on the
person that you are flaming, but also on yourself.

12) do not forward private email to the list.
a long-standing rule of internet etiquette is that private emails
should not be forwarded to public forums without the author's
explicit permission.

note: the list owners reserve the right to remove any list member
who posts private email to the list without permission.

13) avoid "me too!" posts; they waste bandwidth and contribute nothing
to the development of a conversation.

14) do not send email attachments or images to the list.
many people do not have the facilities to view such files, and
attachments which contain executable computer code are also one
of the most common ways to transmit computer viruses over the
internet.

if you have a file or a picture that you would like to share with
the list you should find a www site to host it, then let the list
know the url of the file or picture and list members can retrieve
it at their leisure.

15) do not post or forward hoax emails, cross-posts, chain
letters, etc. to the list.

if you would like to share this sort of material with the list,
first post a short note describing the content of the message
and an offer to privately forward it to anyone who is interested.

16) how do i deal with spam from the list?
certain anti-spam measures have been set up on the list, however some
spam mail may still "slip through the cracks" from time to time.  if
you receive a spam email from the list, it is best to ignore it or
contact the list owners at indigo-girls-request@netspace.org.

17) may i conduct surveys over the list?
if you want to conduct any kind of survey over the list, you should
present your idea to the list and ask people to send their responses
to you via private email.  you can then compile the data and post
the results to the list at a later date.

18) what do i do if i think the list is dead?
the list server dies from time to time and is always restarted as
soon as the problem is discovered.  if you're not sure whether the
server is still running you should refrain from posting until you
receive proof that the server is up.  sending "is the list running?"
messages is pointless if the list is not running and a waste of
bandwidth if it is.  if you want to confirm whether or not other
people have been receiving list mail, privately mail someone from the
list and ask them instead.

if you haven't been receiving list mail, another possibility is that
you have been dropped from the subscription list (this may happen if
your mail is bouncing for any reason).  use the "review" command to
see who is subscribed to the list.  if your name is not on the
subscription list you will need to resubscribe to the mailing list.


6. questions about indigo girls
===============================

6.1. is there a faq file about the indigo girls?  how do i get it?

the indigo girls faq has been made as comprehensive as possible;
many questions have been answered there that have not been addressed
in this document.  it is highly recommended that anyone with
questions about amy, emily or their music read the faq.

the faq is available:
    - on the www at http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig

if you cannot retrieve the faq at the above site, it is also
available by email from sherlyn koo (sherlyn@fl.net.au) or jen
lucero (jlucero@monmouth.com).

6.2. what are indigo girls currently up to?

[june 2, 2000]
the girls are currently in the midst of their summer shed tour in
the united states in support of their new album "come on now social"
(released september 28, 1999).

for concert dates and more information, check the indigo girls site
now owned by amy ray (http://www.indigogirls.com) or pollstar
concert listings (http://www.pollstar.com).  new concert dates are
posted to the indigo girls mailing list on a regular basis.

7. miscellaneous questions
==========================

7.1. what are all these acronyms?

some song titles, album titles, and phrases crop up so many times in
conversation that they are often abbreviated or turned into acronyms.

some of the more common acronyms include: igc (indigo girls content),
nigc (no indigo girls content), a&e (amy and emily), sf ("strange
fire"), nis ("nomads*indians*saints"), rop ("rites of passage"), so
("swamp ophelia"), sots ("shaming of the sun"), cons ("come on now
social"), ctf ("closer to fine"), tmf ("touch me fall"),
jcs ("jesus christ superstar"), soc (stream of consciousness),
and hte (honor the earth).

other acronyms which are commonly used on the internet include:
btw (by the way), imho (in my humble opinion), fwiw (for what it's
worth), lol (laughing out loud), otoh (on the other hand), and
rotfl (rolling on the floor laughing).

there are, of course, many more.  if you are having trouble figuring
out what an acronym stands for, remember that it will usually be a
song title or a reference to some subject that has been under
discussion on the list recently.

7.2. is there any sort of list merchandise available?  can i organize
to have some made?

every so often someone will arrange to have a batch of t-shirts,
bumper stickers, buttons etc. made and sold on the list at cost.
these items are limited editions and only available under the terms
laid down by their creators (time frame, cost etc.).

if there are no list merchandise projects underway when you join
the list, be patient.  these projects are often under development,
so watch for announcements on the list.

if you want to organize one of these projects yourself there are
certain legalities to be aware of.  in particular, remember that the
name "indigo girls" is a registered trademark and that most pictures
of amy or emily (including album covers) and all lyrics are under
copyright.  before you go ahead with the production of any list
merchandise make absolutely certain that you are not violating any
copyrights.

7.3. i want to organize a project on behalf of the list.  can i use
the list name in relation to my project?

before organizing any sort of list merchandise or community project
on behalf of the list you should first check that the list owners
are in favor of your project.  if you gain list owner approval you
may then solicit approval from the list.  if you gain list approval
you will be obliged to keep the list up-to-date with the progress
of your project.

if the list owners or the list objects to your proposal you may not
use the list address (indigo-girls@netspace.org) in any way relating
to your project, either in its physical design or when contacting
indigo girls' management regarding the project.

7.4. what is a boot?  how can i get one?

a "boot", which is short for bootleg, is an unauthorized concert
recording.  boots come in two varieties - "professionally" created
bootlegs, usually released as cds which have been pressed in europe
under loopholes in copyright laws, and "homemade" tapes or cd-rs
made by fans who take recorders into concerts or obtain copies
of soundboard recordings of the show.  almost all bootlegs are
created by the second method.

the best way to get bootlegs is to arrange a trade with someone
from the list.  if you don't know anyone who has any boots
and you are interested in trading, the best thing to do is to send a
short message to the list asking if anybody is interested in trading
with you.  see below for the list policy regarding bootleg trading.

7.5. are boots illegal?

most venues ban recording equipment, both audio and video, and may
confiscate your recorder if they find it.  however, whether
bootlegging is actually illegal depends more on where you are and on
what you do with the product.  one thing is for certain - it is
always illegal to make a profit from one of these recordings!

7.6. what is the list policy regarding boots?

members of the list have asked amy and emily about the bootleg issue
and they have taken the "grateful dead" stance.  that is, they have
no problem with fans recording shows (depending, of course, upon the
venue policy), but you are on your honor not to sell the recordings.

trading is fine, and the list policy reflects amy's and emily's
wishes.  boots are free to be traded for either another boot, a blank
tape or cd-r, goods to the equivalent value, or the cost of the tape
or cd-r and postage.

people selling homemade boots are not welcome on the list.

7.7. what are the "must have" boots?

there are a few early bootlegs which are recommended for anyone who
is thinking of starting a bootleg collection.  these include:
    - "tuesday's children" (1981), an early "studio" tape recorded in
        amy's basement
    - "color me gray" (1982/1985), amy's solo tape, initially
        recorded in 1982, a more widely circulated version released
        in 1985
    - "blue food" (1985), an early independent release
    - "live at the purple parrot" (1986), a much-circulated audience
        recording

7.8. what is a tape tree, and how do they work?

sometimes an exceptional boot or compilation will be of very
high interest to the list at large.  in order to make life easier for
the owner of the boot and to ensure that everyone who wants the boot
will receive a fairly early generation copy, the boot owner (the
trunk) will make copies for a few people (the branches), who in turn
make copies for everyone else (the leaves).  the trunk keeps the
master boot, the branches receive a 2nd generation copy, and each
leaf receives a 3rd generation copy.  this is called a tape tree.

typically trees will be announced on the list along with a list of
the names of the branches.  branches are usually divided either by
region, last name, zodiac sign, or some combination of the three.
when a tree is announced, it is good form to contact the person who
is handling your branch as soon as possible; they will let you know
what further action you need to take to obtain a copy of the boot.

8. acknowledgments
===================

this faq was created through the collaborative efforts of the
creative group known as jcsdoubled - jen lucero, christopher becker,
sherlyn koo, deb reiser and dwayne jarrell.  we rock!

comments, suggestions etc should be mailed to jcsdoubled at
indigo-girls-request@netspace.org.

thank you also to the fearless founder of the current list, jude
shabry, to carolyn spidle for the lifeblood site, and to all the list
owners and members past and present.

and of course the biggest thanks of all go to our inspirations, amy
ray and emily saliers.

                                                          a + e = ig

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date:         fri, 2 jun 2000 23:20:18 -0500
reply-to:     t <tspring25@mindspring.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         t <tspring25@mindspring.com>
subject:      fw: be careful what you wish for
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so i goofed.  to all those i "offended" please continue to read.  you all
make my point.  we are too hung up on the little things, is all.  i respect
heritage as i have lots o' cherokee in me.  but at least i am human first.

again, i apologize.

subject: re: be careful what you wish for


> pardon me.  i may have proved my "ignorance."  i did not, however, "prove"
> any discrimination.  it is that sort of jumping to conclusions that proves
> my point.  so exclude the american part.  are you at least human first?
and
> is this enough to stop pushing ourselves away from decent humanity?
>
> ~t
> ----- original message -----
>
> > well you just proved your discrmination right there....we are most
> certianly
> > *not* all americans...i'm canadian, and there's people on the list from
> > england, china, japan and other countries and i resent being excluded in
> > this kind of statement.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >                          " i came in from the wildnerness, a creature
void
> > of form,' come in' she said, ' i'll give ya, shelter from the storm '
" -
> > bob dylan
> >
>

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date:         sat, 3 jun 2000 01:02:50 edt
reply-to:     emilyraliers@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         vesper evensong <emilyraliers@aol.com>
subject:      re: fw: be careful what you wish for
x-to:         tspring25@mindspring.com
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in a message dated 6/2/00 9:57:42 pm pacific daylight time,
tspring25@mindspring.com writes:

>  but at least i am human first.
i resent that!  i am an halibut, and resent being discriminated against by
you humans! we fish demand inclusion!

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date:         sat, 3 jun 2000 01:05:25 edt
reply-to:     indigokat@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         indigokat@aol.com
subject:      survivor was re: mwmf, spaces, and neil
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in a message dated 6/2/00 6:22:23 pm eastern daylight time, becker@dean.com
writes:

<< ** a side thought:  who else was really ticked off that the damn consultant
wasn't voted off the island first?!?  not even a single vote.  i mean,  the
man wanted a vision statement before they went to find water.  here's your
vision -- win $1mm while avoiding 3rd degree sunburn and eating as few rats
as possible.  now where is my $10k consulting fee.....
  >>


lol    i watched it with my room mate and was very surprised he wasnt voted
off...both the consultant and the navy seal can take their arrogant attitudes
and their little tiki torches and.... well i wont say.  i do think that vote
was an eye opening experience for mr navy seal.  i will be very interested to
see if he will or can modify his personality and not be so abrasive.   i
really hate the idea of the people voting out people on their team
though.....it seems like this is to ecochallenge as greed is to who wants to
be a millionaire.  personally i would like to see them do it for a year and
the last one standing wins.

indi

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date:         sat, 3 jun 2000 01:11:12 edt
reply-to:     indigokat@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         indigokat@aol.com
subject:      re: be careful what you wish for
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in a message dated 6/2/00 11:36:24 am eastern daylight time,
madonajk@alpha.delta.edu writes:

<< and my black boss paid the black girl 15% more then she did me for doing
the same job and i had more expereince
as i said equal rights for all >>


black girl??    girl?   was she pre-pubescent??   would you use the word boy
if it had been a male colleague??  i seriously doubt it.  "and my black boss
paid the black boy 15% more than she did me"

i think right there you make my point about this being a male dominate world.

indi

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date:         sat, 3 jun 2000 04:06:56 edt
reply-to:     sprdinosur@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         joe agueci <sprdinosur@aol.com>
subject:      mwmf
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i have no f'ing clue what that means!!!!

please help!


joe
brooklyn, ny

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date:         sat, 3 jun 2000 10:11:21 -0400
reply-to:     mark donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mark donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
subject:      re: be careful what you wish for
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actually no i woulda said black guy

on sat, 3 jun 2000 indigokat@aol.com wrote:

> in a message dated 6/2/00 11:36:24 am eastern daylight time,
> madonajk@alpha.delta.edu writes:
>
> << and my black boss paid the black girl 15% more then she did me for doing
>  the same job and i had more expereince
>  as i said equal rights for all >>
>
>
> black girl??    girl?   was she pre-pubescent??   would you use the word boy
> if it had been a male colleague??  i seriously doubt it.  "and my black boss
> paid the black boy 15% more than she did me"
>
> i think right there you make my point about this being a male dominate world.
>
> indi
>
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>

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date:         sat, 3 jun 2000 11:52:39 -0400
reply-to:     sarah pinsker <reinventing1@mindspring.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sarah pinsker <reinventing1@mindspring.com>
subject:      nigc - sonia & disappear fear tonight - free! (md)
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hey all, just wanted to tell you that sonia & the disappear fear band =
will be playing tonight at the baltimore pride block party. the parade =
is at 5, i think, and bands later, including jeznick and zrazy (irish =
duo, glama winners), men out loud, and jade esteban estrada (i can only =
vouch for the first two) and at 7:45 pm, sonia takes the stage. the =
stage is at charles and eager sts.  don't miss this great band!
the pride festival itself is next week, june 10, at druid hill park in =
baltimore. i'm playing at 4:15 or 4:30, with my backup band and a =
special guest. other performers include kid sister, lynn frances =
anderson, hot honey magnet, kim & reggie harris, betty...another great =
lineup.=20

sarah
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i saw her at the manhattanville show, hanging out on the stage. she has long
blonde hair, thin, nice looking, and quite tall  (maybe around 5'10-5'11").
it was cute how amy had to look up at her:)

there's a pic of her on nerve.com. go to contributers and look up her name.

xo
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hey guys!

i have an extra ticket for ig at harborlight in boston, ma
on saturday, june 10th, 2000.  i believe rose p. is their
opening act that night.  i heard that the show is sold out,
so if anyone out there is interested in buying the ticket off
me (i can meet you at the gate before the show and we
can make the exchange), let me know.  i paid $34 for it,
but i'd be willing to sell it for $25.  if i could afford to give
it away i would.   by the way, the seat is in section 3, row
gg.

it's a great opportunity to see ig at a fabulous venue. harborlights
is right on the water in boston, ma.  it's an open-air pavillion,
and at night you can see planes taking off and landing at nearby
logan airport -- very pretty -- it reminds me of emily's song
"winthrop."  you'd be sitting next to me and two of my dear
friends.  we're all gay (in case that's a concern) and we're
very friendly.  we won't bite...unless asked to. :-)

let me know if anyone's interested.  email me privately, because
i don't always read the posts to this list. :-|

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hey,
i still have a ticket available for the philly show on june 9th. section
o/b/lc, row f, seat 27. it's 30.50 (and i won't even include those nasty
fees). please email me if interested.

also, did anyone tape the show last night (or will be taping it tonight)? if
so, i'd love a copy. email me!

xo
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does anyonwe know how to resume file son napster
i got the newest version and im noew to it out of 100 files ive tried to
get ive succcesfully got maybe 7  all the rest i get timed out or have
transfer errros im downloading from folks who have cable and dls and
getting less then 1k  ( and im talking rway less like .59k ) transfer and
im connected at 533

its really nerve racking as ive seen some grat ig and get it to 90 percent
and get transwfer errror

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very short nigc post

so, i was banned from napster.  i think my roommate downloaded a metallica
song last year, or something.  we were sharing a computer.  it's totally
off-topic, i know, but has anyone else been banned?  obviously, answer with
private email response.

-mel

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michelle for both shows

and michelle is playing boston pride as is joan jett, melissa ferrick,
sister sledge and doria roberts - dunno who else is performing or may show
up- dunno if it is at the commons or the hatch shell - but as a music fan
and supporters of all people's equal rights - i'll be there.

i know this sounds wierd - but michael penn is playing the 11th @ berklee
(aimee mann opening) i'm tempted to sell my ticket to see michael p. - i
doubt after getting 3rd row seats i will be selling them.

remember tiananmen square - 11 years ago tomorrow.

mike r.

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does anyone know who the opening act is for the 6/4 show in raleigh?

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following up on indigokat's message of may 25th re: hip hop artist eminem's
gay bashing lyrics:  eminem will be chatting on aol on monday june 12th at
6pm pst. let's get online and chat! see you there!   (of course, this would
be in addition to writing to the marketing person at interscope and his
manager.)

peace,
brenda

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hey all -

i found a seating chart online for sacramento, just in case any of you
are curious! somehow i just scored an 8th row single ticket through
bass tickets. i'm impressed. and now, i'm just chilling waiting for
berkeley to go onsale.

what a life.

here's the url:

http://www.slip.net/~gcullen/images/memorialchart.jpg

thanks!
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i'm curious if anyone else is having problems buying tickets for the berkely show on line? i keep going to the web page, 30 minutes after they say that they are going on sale, and the page still says that they are not for sale yet.

susan, off to the wherehouse to see if she can buy her tickets there.....
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hi all

i have two tixs to wolf trap they are front orchestra row r, seat 48 and row
s, seat 36.

asking 35.50 each.(which is face value including their service charge but not
protix xharges)

i live in baltimore and would prefer the person pick them up.


thanks
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hey there -

does anyone have a seating chart for berkeley greek theater? haven't
been able to find one yet.

thanks -
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i just got 4 tickets to the greek theater in berkeley, section d, row 4,
seats 10-13.  anybody have access to the seating?  i don't know if these
seats are any good but i have been to the greek theater once and it seems
most seats are ok.

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okay - rose p. supposedly sent out a mailing saying she was playing fleet
boston pavillion on 6/10/00

rose or michelle or both?

(praying for the latter)

mike r.

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i would say rose p. will open on 6/10 because of her mailing and the fact
that michelle malone announced she' s playing 6/11 and pride (no mention of
6/10).

peace,
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after about a three month hiatus from the list (too much drivel, too little time
to read it), i've re-subscribed.  from the looks of things over the past three
days, not much has changed.

...anyway, i was wondering if there's any sort of listmeet planned for the 6/8
wolf trap show, and if not, is anyone going to wants to meet up on the lawn a
little before the show starts & chat or something?  i may or may not be going by
myself, which is quite lonely after trying for the past month or so to get all
of my ig fan friends to go.

anna
(who's still slightly annoyed to have had to miss an ig concert practically in
her back yard - and that was back in february!)

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according to michelle's website, she is playing boston
pride on the 10th and opening for ig on the 11th.  my
guess is the 10th is just rose.
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hey everybody...
i'm wondering if any news has been found about dates and places to get
tickets for the sacramento and berkeley (greek) shows.  if anyone knows, can
you please email me personally b/c i'm having problems receiving list mail
right now.  thanks so much!

peace,
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hey,

haven't seen anybody comment on the two chastain shows yet.  i actually enjoyed
the saturday show more than the friday show, which was the opposite of what i
was expecting.  the saturday show was the one that went on sale first as part of
the summer concert series at chastain.  you had to buy at least two shows in
order to get one, so it wound up being more season ticket holders on saturday
and not as much pure ig fans in the audience.  as it turned out, i found that a
plus.  on friday, they seemed a bit rusty to me.  (was this the first show back
with the full band?)  plus, with a pure ig-fan crowd, they don't have to work as
hard to get an appreciative response.  i wouldn't say they phoned it in, but the
friday show didn't move me much.  (of course, maybe it's just that i had lousy
seats).

i mentioned before how much i generally don't like chastain as a music venue.
they have tables set up for the crowd to eat a full meal during the
performances, which generally makes them very chatty and then sedate once
they've finished eating.  emily remarked on stage that she had just seen joni
mitchell play chastain recently and joni didn't allow people to bring in food
for her show.  emily said that ig didn't mind it so much.  anyway, it tends to
be a more upscale, laid back crowd.  there was a (black) guy dancing in the
aisle near me who had way too much energy for the rest of the (99.9% white)
crowd, and the (white) people near him spent the whole time making fun of him
under their breath.  that's the kind of thing that makes me dislike chastain.  a
guy who wants to enjoy the show "too much" is made to feel like he doesn't
belong.

on saturday, they seemed more relaxed and with more season ticketholders there
quietly listening, it was a better performance 'cause they had to earn it.  one
great thing is that they're back to having both amy and emily do solo numbers.
amy did "rome and juliet" both nights -- it was especially excellent on
saturday -- and emily did "philosophy of loss" both nights.  i had better seats
on saturday (which probably has a lot to do with my enjoying it better).  i was
seated next to the guy controlling the video screens up above the stage.  they
had 3 cameras on the performers -- usually one on amy, one on emily and one on
the band -- and this guy was running the machine that chose between those 3
feeds and he could also mix them together so there were several combined shots
of amy shot from the right and emily shot from the left where he could combine
them to show a composite that made it look like they were singing to each other
face-to-face.  a nice effect.

the opening act, both friday and saturday, was spearhead.  amy said they'd be
opening for them the entire summer tour.  spearhead is lead by michael franti.
he also used to be in a band called disposable heroes of hiphoprisy (they had a
song called "television: the drug of the nation" that made mtv) and before that
he was in the beatnigs.  michael said he first met amy and emily on that trip to
cuba.  franti is also one of the regular speakers on the spitfire tour.  it's a
very encouraging sign to see that franti and ig not only intersected, but were
able to connect with each other.  spearhead is an outstanding hip-hop band that
was, frankly, over the head of a crowd like the one at chastain. their first cd,
home, is great.  they couldn't even do some of their strongest material: "it's a
crime to be broke (black) in america" and "dream team" (about how america has no
problem cheering for black men in the olympics but fears them on the street
corner).  they did do "hole in the bucket", though, which is about feeling
guilty passing a homeless person asking for change.  that's probably as close as
they could get to connecting with this crowd.  they, too, were a lot more
relaxed on saturday, though, and went over a lot better.  maybe by the end of
the tour, ig will join them for a number.  that'd be something to see.

friday highlights:
love will come to you
shed your skin
kid fears (w/shawn mullins as michael stipe)

saturday highlights:
romeo and juliet
soon be to nothing
virginia woolf
compromise
chickenman
tangled up in blue

hopefully, somebody else will post the complete setlists.  if there's a boot (or
a boot of the video screen, especially) please let us know.  the best boots, i
find, are those shows just before the release of a new album where ig has the
new songs well practiced but the audience doesn't know them yet so they don't
drown out the performance.  saturday was almost as good because the season
ticketholders were pretty quiet since they were unfamiliar with the songs.

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hello,
thanks, ron, for reviewing the georgia shows. :) i'm quite excited that
spearhead is opening for ig for more than just the pa show (and chastain)!!!
i've said it before, but i'll say it again, michael franti is an incredible
person. so, what are the chances spearhead will open in seattle? any news on
that, anyone? thanks.
peace,
becky

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>haven't seen anybody comment on the two chastain shows yet.
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go here:
http://www.allkings.com/seatchrts.html

there's seating charts to most venues in the bay area, including the greek
theatre in berkeley and the memorial auditorium in sacramento.

i'm a little baffled by the seating at the greek though.  i got row 2, but
something tells me it's not really the second row.  i think it's second row
behind the pit, and i'm wondering how one gets into the pit, or if it's just
general admission.  does anyone have pit tickets, or something indicating
that it's in front of row 1?  just curious....
i'm pretty stoked regardless. :)

and yeah, i tried the ticketmaster online this morning too and had no luck.
luckily i had two cell phones on hold with the 1-800 number... :)

leslie

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no one has really said anything about the central park
show.  i was wondering who was opening since that
seems to be a popular topic on the list.  i am excited
for this show b/c i havent seen the girls in so
long...so my fingers are crossed that it is going to
be a fabulous day ;)

~di

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power of two
shed your skin

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power of two
shed your skin
get out the map
compromise (amy v. i needed you there to dance with)
andy
jonas & ezekial
least complicated
ozilline
philosphy of loss
shame on you
cold beer
faye tucker
love's recovery
gone again
trouble
tried to be true
closer to fine
encore:
laramie (w/emily & the butchies)
mtns of glory (no emily just the butchies)
galileo (of course)

i thought nothing could top sat. night's chastain show...but this did!!! (thanks to the stanger who wanted my 6th row seat in return for her 2nd row seat!)
d:)

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hkf's,

upcoming on sale info for portland: (not sure if this was posted or not)

07/18/00 portland, or  pioneer couthouse square (naito plaza)
on sale: 06/09/00 - 4:00pm  (503)224-4400 (local tm)

and there were questions about the sacramento show and all the info can be
found here for it including phone numbers, ticket center locations and
online ticket buying:
http://www.basstickets.com/

and chastain was great!!!  both shows were amazing and i'll post the two
complete setlists later on with my various notes...  beautiful place to see
the girls!!!

a+e=ig

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>really?  i just heard that female news anchors make 28% >less than their
male
>counterparts.  why?  because the people making the >salary decisions are
men.

that is not just in news anchors jobs.  across the board women make less for
doing the same job.  where is the equality there?

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hi all!
    here is saturday night's set list -- in no particular order, of course,
except for the encores....

peace tonight
trouble
tried to be true
ozilline
world falls
virginia woolf
closer to fine
comprimise
get out the map
shame on you
chickenman
romeo & juliet
philosophy of loss
soon be to nothing
gone again
southland in the springtime
power of two
faye tucker

encore:
tangled up in blue
go
galileo

    i'm pretty sure this is it.  if i ommited one, i appologize.  i was
fortunate enough to have 4th row seats on amy's side and got some great
pictures, especially of amy in her hat!  if anyone is interested in having
some copies, please let me know and i'll be more than happy to get them off
to you -- just email me privately.
    also, if anyone was able to boot the show, please let me know.  i would
be more than appreciative for a copy.

have a blessed day!
kato

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<<that is not just in news anchors jobs.  across the board women
make less for doing the same job.  where is the equality there?>>

i refer the honourable member to my previous answer.

i would be delighted to debate this privately, but it's really
not a list discussion...

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sorry all.  i sent this before i read the message to stop sending regarding
this topic.  i apologize if i offended anyone.

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>really?  i just heard that female news anchors make 28% >less than their
male
>counterparts.  why?  because the people making the >salary decisions are
men.

that is not just in news anchors jobs.  across the board women make less for
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found a seating chart for uc berkeley greek theatre!  also, i too had
problems getting tickets on-line via tickemaster.  luckily, we were just
covering our bases - my husband was also in line a ticket center and ended
up purchasing our tickets (section i - fourth row!) and getting back home
before ticketmaster even opened up the ticket sale.  i wrote a pretty
unhappy e-mail to ticketmaster customer service complaining about it!

we also got tix for the sacramento show on saturday -----front row
center!!!!!!  we are so excited cuz the closest we have ever been before is
in the third row (last fall in berkeley...)  maybe one of these days we
might be able to finally meet them----  i think this is our 13th concert,
too!

http://www.calperfs.berkeley.edu/facilities/greek_theater/seats.html

have a great week all!

carrie

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hey all!!! woa woa woa woa!!!! damn those girls never ever let me down!!!
anyone else at raleigh besides dee? dee where were your seats??

the butchies opened (they played at the cats cradle for the dameon tour,
there from durham and amy (and emily) are big fans of them...like i said
before, i think they are extremely talented but grunge punk rock is not my
favorite!) the butchies did play fantastic though, from a musical
standpoint! their drummer kicks...then they head spearhead (like someone
else posted from a different show) the crowd took a while to get into, but
the lead singer/speaker was phenomonal at getting the crowd goin crazy! by
the last song they sang the crowd was jumping up and down adn laffin and
singing along! they were and excelent band. ....

then of course...the girls!! had awsome seats again! my gf and i just danced
and danced and i sang and sang!! i love seein a packed house! emily just
seemed like she was having an especially wonderful time...of course they
both replied "thank you" after every song and amy laffed a couple of times
when the crowd took over on numerous songs! amy was wearin the same powder
blue tight silk like shirt w/ the beads on it as she was at the cats
cradle...they didnt even have to sing on galalio, ctf, and a few others...we
the crowd had it goin on! emily sang solo on philosophy w/ the cello and it
was incredible!!amy sang 2 or 3 of her "solo" songs w/ the butchies and one
w/ emily and the butchies...(anyone know which songs those were??)  the band
flat out rocks...i was impressed in oct and i am continuously
impressed....the percussionist (forget names) is a genious as well as are
the othere...the chemistry btwn the girls and the band is remarkable!

i only wish the girls hadnt had two bands opening cuz of time
constraint...there is an 11pm curfew i believe at the pavilion. i would have
loved to heard the girls from 730 till 11pm straight through!!!! then they
could have played a bit more of their old classics along w/ the new jammin
stuff!!

overall it was amazing!!!!! damn i love those girls!!!!!!

have a great day!

cara

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ralph nader announced that he's chosen winona laduke
as his vice-presidential running mate. i wonder how
this news might affect the hte tour this fall (is that
still happening? i still haven't seen definite details
posted.)  nader isn't on the the ballot in all states.
at the asheville show last month his supporters were
canvasing the line to collect signatures to get him on
the nc ballot.

also - i've got a funny letter michael moore wrote to
dr. laura about her views on homosexuality.  email me
if you're interested in reading it, and i'll forward
it to you.

:)carrie

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omg if someone goes to this and bootlegs this show i'll be your eternally grateful friend forever :):):):):):):)
i'll trade anything i've got. show will probably last 2 or 3 hours....i'd go but i live in texas (which sucks a**) but anyway.....so if anyone goes and gets a boot of this show, let me know
-earthgrrl

thursday, june 8:
benefit for actor's express featuring shawn mullins and michelle malone
the two shows this evening (7:00 and 9:30) will benefit actor's express, a
local theater company.  the 7:00 show will feature shawn mullins and michelle
malone with an appearance by kyle shiver.  then shawn and michelle will
headline the 9:30 show with opening sets by sam shaber, kitty snyder, and
larry jon wilson.  advance tickets can be purchased for these shows by
callingthe actor's express box office at 404-607-show.  note:  we will be
using the
number system for seating priority the day of the show.  if you have a
ticket,you will definitely get in, but the numbers will determine seating
order.  we
will open at 4:00pm and begin giving out numbers then.  call me at
404-377-4976 for more "numbers" information.

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anna!!!
i'm going (haven't gotten tix yet, but......) to the 6/8 show and sitting in
the lawn with a few friends and we'd love to have you join us!  (well, i
would!  they're not big ig fans, so *i* would love to be there with someone
who'd jam with me!)  anyone else for a meeting?
...stacy
ps...feel free to drop me an email!  :)

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hey all...
it brings me great sadness that i have to sell my ticket for the mann center
show this friday. it's in section o-a-c, row f (that's 6th row in the center
section, btw). it was $43.35 w/tm service charge (plus shipping, unless you
live in nyc). come and get it!!
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hey guys, i just wanted to remind you of jess klein's big 4-show passim stint

this weekend.  jess plays with rose polenzani in voices on the verge...  its
her last boston area shows until october....  and with mila

drumke opening one night.  also, its not in the below email from jess (which

i got from her mailing list), but ive been told that free 2-song sampler cds

of songs from her new album (not out until 8/22) will be given out at these
shows...

also for west coasters, check out erin mckeowns west coast tour at
www.erinmckeown.com.  tonight she's in san francisco, later this week in
berkeley and santa cruz.  next week seattle, portland and bellingham.  after
that santa monica, san luis obispo, santa barbara, and san diego.


jess b

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from jess klein:


<<friday and saturday june 9 and 10, i will be having a two-night, four-show


affair with my longtime sweetheart, club passim in cambridge, ma.  two shows


each night: 7 p.m. and 10 p.m (all ages!).   if you’ve never been to passim,

it’s comparable to a large underground living room.


friday night i’ll be playing with friends and saturday night solo. please

call ahead for tickets:  617-492-7679.  special guests to open friday night’s

shows.  saturday night mila drumke will open.


subscribe to the jess klein discussion list at


http://www.egroups.com/group/jessk. trade bootlegs, chat, submit live reviews


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not gonna waste bandwidth but i found a funny biting letter that was written to dr. laura. if anyone needs a good laugh, email me and i'll forward it to you :) (if i don't get to you right away, it means i'm away from the computer but it'll get to you :) )
-earthgrrl

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i have no clue if this has been mentioned before.  sorry if this is a repeat!  anyway, there is a short interview with the girls in the may/june issue of mother jones magazine.  :-)

:-) karen

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hey guys and gals, having a lovely summer?  hopefully.  anyways, have any of
you ever noticed that the coronet solo in hey kind friend sure sounds like
the hymn, "this is my father's world"??  matter of fact, im almost positive
of it... funny how their songs always turn up more and more biblical
reference... also, anyone ever figure out what the man mumbles in the middle
of the song?  i think that would be a good interview question, yay!  oh and
kelly (fairbnks@...) i lost your email address, again!!
peace all-
erin
verse 1 of, "this is my father's world":
this is my father's world, and to my listening ears all nature sings, and
round me rings the music of the spheres.  this is my father's world:  i rest
me in the thought of rocks and tress, of skies and seas; his hand the wonders
wrought.

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date:         mon, 5 jun 2000 18:38:07 -0700
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from: <erin tripp>

> hey guys and gals, having a lovely summer?  hopefully.  anyways, have any
of
> you ever noticed that the coronet solo in hey kind friend sure sounds like
> the hymn, "this is my father's world"??  matter of fact, im almost
positive
> of it... funny how their songs always turn up more and more biblical
> reference...

it is "this is my father's world."  :)  kinda like "let us break bread
together" is at the end of "hammer and a nail," and emily's solo during
"cedar tree" is the ode to joy from beethoven's fifth.

hey, i think all this is in the faq, isn't it?  i know i read something like
that once, and after that i started noticing all these things. . .

sharon g. s. bugante -- shaniezak@la-ex-heds.com
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date:         mon, 5 jun 2000 22:02:16 -0400
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this was sent to me - wondered if one of y'all could help. please reply to
this email address:
segan@parker.com
and not to me...

<<good evening,
     i was hoping one of you could help me out.  i attended a indigo girls
concert at the tampa theater (fl) on may 5th, 2000.  it was a very magical
night for both my fiance and me.  i arrived at the concert very early with
the hope i could get the indigo girls to do something special for me during
the show.  i was planning to ask my girlfriend to marry me at the concert
that evening.  after the road crew gave a letter to the amy and emily
during sound check, i was informed that they would be more than happy to
grant my request.  well, the night was magical.  right before "power of
two", amy and emily had me stand up in the spotlight in front of everyone
and then asked my girlfriend to stand up.  with the spotlights on both of
us, the girls mentioned that i had a very important question to ask
tonight.  so, i was down on my knee asking the big question.  she said yes
and amy asked everyone to congratulate us!  emily then asked that we both
remain standing and they dedicated power of two to us.  we both danced in
front of everyone with amy and emily singing to us as we danced like we
were on top of the world.  i have the upmost respect for the indigo girls.
after the encore, they wished us both the best of luck with our future.
    after researching for a tape of the concert, i have come up empty
handed.  i was wandering if any of you have a tape of this show (tampa
theater 5-5-00) or know where to find the tape.  any suggestions would be
appreciated.  thank you so much for you time and help!  i would love to
find a tape of this wonderful moment.>>

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date:         mon, 5 jun 2000 23:34:47 edt
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in a message dated 6/5/00 6:29:05 pm pacific daylight time,
shaniezak@la-ex-heds.com writes:

> it is "this is my father's world."  :)  kinda like "let us break bread
>  together" is at the end of "hammer and a nail," and emily's solo during
>  "cedar tree" is the ode to joy from beethoven's fifth.
ode to joy is part of beethoven's 9th symphony.
:o)

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date:         tue, 6 jun 2000 05:37:18 pdt
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how dod i get this magazine? i went to the website and last time i checked
this article wasnt up there yet. i went to the bookstore and they never
heard of it. do i need to get to an "independent" bookstore? any help would
be great! thanks!

cara


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>date: tue, 6 jun 2000 09:44:35 +0900
>
>i have no clue if this has been mentioned before.  sorry if this is a
>repeat!  anyway, there is a short interview with the girls in the may/june
>issue of mother jones magazine.  :-)
>
>:-) karen
>
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>free!" -- emily saliers (indigo girls)
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is this available on-line anywhere?  when i went to their site to look it up
it wasn't there.  can anyone help?

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i have no clue if this has been mentioned before.  sorry if this is a
repeat!  anyway, there is a short interview with the girls in the may/june
issue of mother jones magazine.  :-)

:-) karen

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glaad media awards finale
in san francisco, the honorees noted for their fair portrayals of l/g/b/t's
include margaret cho, the indigo girls and several digital media outlets.

the fourth and final round of the gay and lesbian alliance against
defamation's (glaad) 11th annual media awards were distributed at a gala in
san francisco on june 3. it's the first time glaad has celebrated its winners
in that city and the occasion also marked the inauguration of new categories
for digital media. the awards "honor individuals and projects in the media
and entertainment industries for their fair, accurate and inclusive
representations of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community and
the issues that affect their lives."

<<<<<<snip>>>>>>

outstanding music album went to the indigo girls' come on now social against
some rugged competition: meshell ndegeocello's bitter, melissa etheridge's
breakdown, the pet shop boys' nightlife, and sleater-kinney's the hot rock.
the grammy-winning indigo girls -- the 14-year lesbian musical duo of amy ray
and emily saliers -- this past weekend kicked off their "summer shed" tour
with a tremendously successful concert at home in atlanta, georgia, including
their first live renditions of cuts from come on now social.

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i can't help it! days late checking email and i'm getting fanatical. guthrie guthrie guthrie!!!! dylan, darlin!
sorry. just had to. i'm an ogre, i know.....but it's 51 more days until my vacation. i'll be better then!
carrie, you'll have my calgon ready for me right? they don't sell it in tennessee colony! *whine*
so any word on that eddie's attic show? *whistling and trying to change the subject*
-earthgrrl.....who seriously needs more vacation time and soon.....

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i know that this has been referred to but don't think that it has actually been posted yet. when i received it this morning i just had to share it with all of you like me who haven't yet seen it.

i thought that someone said that michael moore wrote it. does anyone know if that is indeed true and if i can find it  online? it sure seems like his style.
-------------------
dear dr. laura,

thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding god's law. i have learned a great deal from you, and i try to share that knowledge with as many people as i can. when someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, i simply remind him that leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. end of debate. i do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

when i burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, i know it creates a pleasing odor for the lord (lev. 1:9). the problem is my neighbors. they claim the odor is not pleasing to them. how should i deal with this?

i would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in exodus 21:7. in this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

i know that i am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (lev. 15:19-24). the problem is, how do i tell? i have tried asking, but most women take
offense.

lev. 25:44 states that i may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. a friend of mine claims that this applies to mexicans but not canadians. can you clarify?

i have a neighbor who insists on working on the sabbath. exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. am i morally obligated to kill him myself?

a friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. i don't agree. can you settle this?

lev. 20:20 states that i may not approach the altar of god if i have a defect in my sight. i have to admit that i wear reading glasses. does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

i know you have studied these things extensively, so i am confident you can help. thank you again for reminding us that god's word is eternal and unchanging.
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i've seen it a lot of times in borders and barnes & noble, and in your
run-of-the-mill anarchy-type store, such as wooden shoe in philadelphia.
deb

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hkf's,

here's the setlist that i got from sulli (thanks!) on saturday:

peace tonight
gone again
va woolf
world falls
trouble
tried to be true
soon be to nothing
chickenman
closer to fine
romeo & juliet (written as: 'amy solo')
philosophy of loss (with 'cold beer' crossed out)
ozilline
power of two
compromise
get out the map
faye tucker (written with: 'or go')
southland in the springtime ('cold beer' crossed out)
shame on you
e: tangled up in blue
go (actual written: '? (if time permits)'
galileo

mike's notes (tm):

peace tonight:  used to get ill listening to this before the album came out
- but actually a nice upbeat cheery little song now - not a bad starting
song.

gone again - va woolf - world falls:  friday night i really enjoyed the show
and it was indeed magical in the hallowed halls of chastain, and these three
songs just brought the magic & intensity right back from where they left off
the previous night - you could tell at this point that it was going to be a
great night.  especially since world falls is one you don't hear all that
much ('it's about being on the road for a long time and thinking about lots
of stuff...' - close?)  anyway, amazing start - the ending of va woolf is
amazing!!!

tried to be true - soon be to nothing: continuing with different songs from
friday night, ttbt sounded really great even though i've heard it many
times...  and then soon be to nothing was a great new song to hear - love
those backing vocals.  ahhhh ahhh...

ctf - got the crowd going - nice to sing along as always.  but try this at
the next show:  right before the last chorus, i decided not to sing every
fun little word, but instead turned around partially and just
soaked/basked/lived in the moment by listening & watching...  seeing
everyone clapping/singing/smiling was a great little change from staring at
a&e the whole show...  i always love looking around at shows, especially at
beautiful venues like this.

romeo & juliet - one word: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... ... ... ...
(does anyone remember when i compiled amy's r&j's every time played by year
and posted them b/c 98 she started playing it again somewhat frequently and
i was freaking out!... i think...  wow i love this song...)

philisophy of loss - a little campy on the cd but i think it's a much better
song live - i totally dig that pause after 'leaders' - can emily write a
great song or what?!

ozilline - this ending rivals the va woolf ending - gotta dig those
beautiful harmonies (see my sig)  fun drum beat that my brother plays (i
taught him everything he knows, btw...)  ;)

other highlights: compromise - why was it so great?  b/c i was going
completely nutz and everyone near me was - 'what music is this?'  kick ass
amy - you gotta dig it...!  faye tucker - probably my fave new song on the
album - gosh dangit - such a powerful song with all that madness (maniacal
laughter)  and then tangled up in blue (i stole those chords)...  guess what
song i thought it was first - lc!  much to my bliss it was good ol dylan!!!
awesome to hear that live...

and lastly - go!!!  a bunch of shows a while back had go in the #1 spot and
that totally bit the big one (the whole crowd was seated! bleccck!!) -
having go in the middle on friday and then in the encore on saturday totally
was at the perfect time where the crowd (& myself) was all geared up to
'raise your hands high!!!!'...  fun for all ages...

in summation:  great venue, great byob policy, great hotlanta humid weather
(no rain!) and great no-lines at the men's room.  from the very start of the
show - there were four mics setup in front, one on either side of a & e - so
i had visions of the water is wide or something, but they were never even
used - anyone have the inside scoop on this???  and southland was a
requested song by song lady in the front (emily side) [and i'm sure this
chiquita has never heard of winthrop, love of the common people or blood
quantum - but i guess we're all just ig fans when it comes down to it...]
amy had the cowboy hat w/ blue funky shirt w/ sparkle-stones on it (same
shirt amy bumped into me at the daemon showcase last week mind you...:)  and
emily had an un-buttoned-button-down on w/ jeans.  amy broke a string on her
mandolin at one point - almost got her special-super-secret-reserve mandolin
- but shook it off and continued the song.  blair uses zildjan cymbals and
hits the skins really hard.

and the lineup was of course: amy, emily, carol, matt, blair & clare.  matt
- new really tall cello-playing guy.

moral of the story: all the freaky people in the world make it beautiful...

a+e=ig

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date:         tue, 6 jun 2000 11:14:11 edt
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maaaaaaan, you know you're in deep doo-doo when jen posts the whole faq to the list. but ain't it great that she keeps the peace on the list. :)
staying out of this one...
earthgrrl

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date:         tue, 6 jun 2000 12:06:26 -0400
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on yahoo in the personal area is a poll here are the results so far

yahoo! personals poll
do you think gay marriage should be legal?
thanks for voting!  51051 votes since jun 1 2000

yes    45%  23037 votes
no    54%  28014 votes
related facts:

fall in love. meet someone new by posting an ad!
back to yahoo! personals

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can someone please tell me how to get off the list.
toye

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someone sent this to me because they know i like the indigo girls.. it was
from an interview with chris from nsync..

when you're down, what's your secret weapon-the one thing you can fall
back on when all else fails?

listening to music.  if i hear a song and i love it, that feeling is
amazing.  that destiny's child song "bugaboo?" i love that song.
everything about it is just dope.  i used to listen tot he indigo girls
all the time-that's how i developed my voice.


        scott   [[i'll leave the luggage of all your lies behind]]
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date:         tue, 6 jun 2000 14:36:00 -0500
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for those of you who may correspond with me at my work address
(sjones@library.wisc.edu) this is to notify you that it's going away after
june 17.  that's right...i'm finally getting out of this hellhole.  i have
accepted an exciting new position as assistant director of the center for
credit union research to begin june 19th.  i don't know what my new work
address will be yet.  please use this personal one
(sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu) for all correspondence.  thank you!

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date:         tue, 6 jun 2000 15:42:35 edt
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outstanding music album went to the indigo girls' come on now social against
some rugged competition: meshell ndegeocello's bitter, *melissa etheridge's
breakdown*, the pet shop boys' nightlife, and sleater-kinney's the hot
rock....

~~~~

i would really like to know why, after the consensus seems to be that
breakdown was not a particularly great, melissa keeps getting cheered and
applauded for it. is it because she's gay? is it because she's melissa
etheridge?

i think this is a valid concern that mediocrity is being celebrated here.

any thoughts?
meredith

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in case anyone is interested, rose's set has been shortened to fifteen minutes
for the wolf trap show this thursday.  the indigo girls have added a band called
spearhead as a middle act.  rose will be on around 7:55, so get there early for
some great music!

:)
anna

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for myself, i've really not been stoked about anything melissa etheridge
has put out since her second cd, brave and crazy.  yes i am is a nice
little cd in its own right, but when she split up from working with
kevin mccormick, the bassist, co-writer, and producer of her first two
cds, she really seems to have lost a good portion of the creative,
dynamic tension that made me like her in the first place.  i've heard
all her other releases to date, and haven't bothered buying any of them,
because that edge and soul is missing.

i agree with you, meredith.  in fringe communities, no matter what they
may be, but the gay community in particular, there is a tendency to
celebrate mediocrity for the sake of the political statement.  which
really strikes me as odd, considering the stereotype of "superior,
exquisite taste" that gay men and women carry around with them.

meredith matthews wrote:

> i would really like to know why, after the consensus seems to be that
> breakdown was not a particularly great, melissa keeps getting cheered and
> applauded for it. is it because she's gay? is it because she's melissa
> etheridge?
>
> i think this is a valid concern that mediocrity is being celebrated here.
>
> any thoughts?

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concerning breakdown. i have to admit that most of the songs on the cd i really do enjoy but there are a few that i do not care for . i am not saying this because i like melissa.....bu more importantly because i like the music and the lyrics, the emotions they evoke from myself as a listener.

you are correct that at times "famous" people get positive attention because of who they are. i don't necessarily agree that this is the case for the awards and the album.

in the same vain there have been songs o fig that i did not particularly care for. and to be honest i hit the skip button when they come on the cd.

imho i believe that the acceptance of breakdown has a lot to do with the changing vein of the songs to what she has previously done. i recall several "upset" post when the blue ep came out and the others that had a very different sound to the ig songs than what was previously released.

i guess timing is everything...perhaps had this come out a year ago or even in the future there would be a totally different level of acceptance or non acceptance for breakdown...and it goes for almost any other album as well.

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on tue, 6 jun 2000, meredith matthews wrote:

> i would really like to know why, after the consensus seems to be that
> breakdown was not a particularly great, melissa keeps getting cheered and
> applauded for it.

   apparently, the consensus among the folks who determine the gladd media
awards is that it's worthy of being a competitor for some award called
"outstanding music album," although apparently not as worthy of
winning as some album by the indigo girls.  but apparently that's not the
consensus you're thinking about...

   actually, the real truth about gladd is that they're secretly in the
pocket of rudy guliani, who doesn't really have prostate cancer, he just
invented it to drop out of the spotlight to pursue das konservative
agenda by spreading seeds of diskontent about the indigo girls mailing
list.  ("the same thing we do every day, lazio...try to take over the
moderates!")
   tidbit: ralph nader is his unwitting pawn, whom he's secretly
bankrolling, hoping to ensure a dubya win by splitting the left-of-center.

> is it because she's gay?
> is it because she's melissa etheridge?

   nope.  the real reason for her nomination is that she sold her soul to
satan.  well, through an intermediary; a knight in his service, probably
paul stanley, although sources indicate that gene simmons might be
involved, too.
   the only hope for salvation is to turn all your toaster ovens on right
now.

> i think this is a valid concern that mediocrity is being celebrated here.

   sometimes i think i should mention something about music being
subjective and learning to deal with that, but it's far more fun to spread
unfounded conspiracy theories.

   back to work now...  ;)

   darius

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spearhead is very good...they opened friday-sunday this weekend...make sure y'all get there in enough time to see them...the lead singer guy even brought his daughter out after the girls show sunday and talked to people hanging out near the stage! d:)

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date:         tue, 6 jun 2000 16:22:49 -0400
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>    actually, the real truth about gladd is that they're secretly in the
> pocket of rudy guliani, who doesn't really have prostate cancer, he just
> invented it to drop out of the spotlight to pursue das konservative
> agenda by spreading seeds of diskontent about the indigo girls mailing
> list.  ("the same thing we do every day, lazio...try to take over the
> moderates!")

        and giuliani - who, as we all know, is in cahoots with the
cigarette smoking man from the x-files in a hostile takeover of fisher
price, proctor & gamble, and the coca-cola corporation - is under the
thumb of that greatest universal power of all, jen lucero, our very own
list moderator, who secretly hates the indigo girls and is doing her
darndest to turn this into a melissa etheridge list. i can't quite tell if
it's working yet....
        my advice? subvert the dominant paradigm all you like by voting
for hillary, but don't go bashing mle on this list.

        mandy (good-humoredly)

                if i have a care in the world
                i have a gift to bring....

                                *emily saliers*


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hey y'all,
i have an extra ticket for tomorrow's (june 7) show at wolftrap - front
orchestra, row g, seat 9. it cost me $35.50, so that's what i'll sell it
for. e-mail me if interested.
thanks, sandy

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date:         tue, 6 jun 2000 17:20:02 -0400
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hey everybody:

if any of you out there coming to the boston show on saturday,
6/10, would like to join us at jimbo's fish shanty for our list meet,
please email me privately.  i made a reservation and i need an exact
count by thursday, 6/8.  the reason for the formality is because it
is a saturday night and that is a very busy night for them.

bye for now.
cathy

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hi all

i have two tixs to tomorrow nights show at wolf trap that i wont be using.
please email asap if you would like to buy them

  front orchestra row m seats 2 and 3   $35.50 each


thanks
indi

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i have two extra 8th row tix to wolf trap for tomorrow wed 6/7/00.  please
email me if you are interested.  i will sell the pair for what i paid for
them $64.

thanks
sandy

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date:         wed, 7 jun 2000 09:40:15 +0900
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i don't know if the magazine has a website or not, but as far as paper copies go, try places like feminist bookshops and other independent bookshops.  i am sure that borders would also have the magazine.  maybe even barnes and noble.  good luck!

:-) karen

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hi there,

i just want to pass some concert info on the eugene show, since i haven't
seen anything listed anywhere about it yet. i just called today and got my
tickets, so i am certain it's a sure thing.

july 19 - at the cuthbert ampitheatre. tix are $28.00, and they're general
admission. no limit on tickets per order! they went on sale 6/2. i don't
know if they are available through ticketbastard or what. but i called the
hult center and ordered mine direct (only a $1 handling fee). the phone
number is 541-682-5000.

i discussed the event with the ticket agent at length, and it sounds like a
fantastic venue. the ampitheatre only holds 4500 people and "you can get
close enough to put your nose on the stage on the dancing apron" (to quote
her)!! she said they really only expect 3000 people to show up, though when
i told her about our list and that i would pass the word here, she joked
that maybe they would fill it up after all :)!!
i haven't been there myself, but i have friends who have been to shows there
that say it is a beautiful setting and a great place to see a show.

well, i just checked michael cunningham's tour site, and saw he does have
this show listed now. but i thought i would share all these details anywho.
hope to see some of y'all there. i'm bringing my three fantabulous kids with
me and i am so psyched. if you go and see a woman with three kids, two of
them with red, curly hair, all kids wearing eyeglasses...that's me. come say
hi, i'd love to meet anyone from our wonderful community!!!

peace, and indigo blessings, laura (a lurker)

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i kinda forgot that yesterday was the day (apparently!) so please forgive
me (i know not what i do...um never mind)...so to back (dat-ass) up a
little - here are the birthdays that are being celebrated this week (june
5th through june 11th)...

june 6 ('76)
layoder@cc.owu.edu (lesley)

june 6 ('67)
whit.kuhn@happcontrols.com (whit kuhn)

june 6
pbethany@hotmail.com (bethany)

june 7
shulman@scf.usc.edu ( paula shulman )
in the cookies of life, friends are the chocolate chips"  unknown
author

june 7
britta graeber (brgr@stud.uni-sb.de)

june 8 ('65)
atlmouse@aol.com (robin)
"you dry your tears, don't be thinking gray is here to stay"
"i can't do everything but i would do anything for you"
"when you learn to love yourself, you will dissolve all the stones
that are cast"

june 9 ('69)
jncalif@aol.com (julie)
"i say love will come to you"
"and there's always retrospect to light a clearer path"
"my place is of the sun and this place is of the dark"

june 10 ('76)
corinne@utah-inter.net (corinne simpson)
"would you trade your words for freedom"
"they say that it's never too late, but you don't, you don't get any
younger"

june 10
cheryl@discover-net.net (cheryl thiede)
"maybe all that we need is to meet in the middle of impossibility,
standing at opposite poles, equal partners in a mystery."

june 10 ('70)
unclwil@midwest.net (michelle pennington)
if i have a care in the world, i have a gift to bring.
es, hammer and a nail


sorry again about the delay and i hope y'all have a great time
celebrating!!! woo hooo!!!!

love and peace,
audra
bge


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folks,

this is a resubmission of the offer for one ticket for tomorrow's (6/8) =
ig concert @ wolftrap.  the ticket is in the front orchestra, i believe =
(i don't have it with me at work today:-) in the center section, abut 6 =
rows back.  my price was $36.00 and that is what it will cost you.

i have already offered ths to a small group of people on the list, and =
if they want it, they get priority, but if you want it, get back to me =
fast!

feel free to page me at 410-223-0506 to let me know you want it and then =
we will work out the details.

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orchestra, i believe (i don't have it with me at work today:-) in the =
center=20
section, abut 6 rows back.  my price was $36.00 and that is what it =
will=20
cost you.</font></div>
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<div><font size=3d2>i have already offered ths to a small group of =
people on the=20
list, and if they want it, they get priority, but if you want it, get =
back to me=20
fast!</font></div>
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<div><font size=3d2>feel free to page me at 410-223-0506 to let me know =
you want=20
it and then we will work out the details.</font></div>
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<div><font size=3d2>phillip soloweszyk<br>technical =
lead<br>teksystems<br>7312=20
parkway drive<br>hanover, md =20
21076<br>410-579-4948</font></div></body></html>

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date:         wed, 7 jun 2000 14:22:09 -0400
reply-to:     "kristina the kanklemistress :-)" <vaskys9889@duq.edu>
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subject:      wolf trap tonight! :)
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hello lovely listees. . .

i just wanted to write a little note for anyone who might happen to be
going to the wolf trap show tonight. . .if you happen to see a girl
wearing a yellow shirt and a blue bandana (me) with her curly-haired
friend (beth), please come say hello. :-) i met one wonderful list
person when i went to my first ig concert (hi marilyn!), and i would
love to meet more of you. so if you do see us, don't hesitate to come
introduce yourselves. . .we're friendly people. :-)

love and music,
kristina :-)

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date:         wed, 7 jun 2000 11:31:50 +0000
reply-to:     traci@philotv.com
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from:         traci loth <traci@philotv.com>
organization: philo television
subject:      bay area new date?
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has anyone heard that ig will be playing at aptos village park near
santa cruz, july 29?
a friend sent me this. don't know how reliable it is.

http://www.sfbayconcerts.com/allinone.html

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date:         wed, 7 jun 2000 11:43:42 -0700
reply-to:     julie libes <indigonut@yahoo.com>
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hi wonderful list,

i was wondering if anyone here goes to oberlin. i've
met the wonderful jilly and becky but wondering who
else. i just transferred there and very excited.

julie :)

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from barb :
>
> hello everyone,
>
> i can't post because somehow jen can't access my
> account (some problem
> with the listserv or something. so i'm forced into
> ig lurkdom :-(    )
> but.......anyhow, i would like to have a listmeet
> i  live in st paul and  so if anyone else in  the
> twin cities knows
> hennepin avenue or any place in down-town
> minneapolis,  could contact
> me privately, until jen gets this thig solved.
>
> the girls are coming to the orpheum june 23rd.  and
> for out of towners
> that's on hennepin ave.  that's all i can give out
> right now.
>
> peace
> barb
>


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date:         wed, 7 jun 2000 13:32:33 -0700
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it looks as though i won't be able to use my ravinia
ticket.  it's a lawn seat, so it's $10.  i'll buy the
stamp.  email me if interested.
:)carrie

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i know i still owe some of y'all cd's and when i got to my e-mail this morning the addresses had deleted themselves (technology)...anyway...if i do...please send your address again...i should be ready to send them this weekend! d:)

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sitting here and listening to shame on you....a fond memory was at the tulsa oilers hockey games...this song played every time the guys got sent to the penalty box....my daughter then 3 referred to it as time out zone....

sparkie

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