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date:         wed, 28 jun 2000 19:58:18 -0400
reply-to:     "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
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subject:      re: iso: jesus christ superstar live boot
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<<i asked about this boot before,and got a few reponses. no body seems
willing to trade for this. as much as i hate to buy or sell boots, i'm
willing to pay for this one. this is the live performance done on fm radio.
i'm not interested in the cd>>

i believe if you buy the jesus christ superstar video from daemonrecords.com
it's the same show as the radio broadcast, audio and all. i'm sure
someone'll correct me if i'm wrong.

i have been wrong before, i think. i have a vague reccollection of it
happening once or twice, but it might have been a dream. or a tv show. or
both.

:o)

anyway the upshot is: buy video, problem solved.

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date:         wed, 28 jun 2000 20:18:21 edt
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subject:      nigc: bandits soundtrack....?
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hey, a few weeks ago someone posted info about the soundtrack to the movie
bandits.... would you mind reposting?

sorry for the nigc

thanks, kim

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date:         wed, 28 jun 2000 23:32:10 -0400
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for some reason gurlmail (when i checked my pop mail from another server) downloaded 1000 messages (which it wasn't supposed to do) so i was way over quota.  to make matters worse, gurlmail went down so i couldn't delete anything for hours.  since i was over quota, i couldn't receive new mail.  it sucked...

so i am not sure if anything was said about milwaukee.  i don't know if there is a list meet or anything.

but anyone who is there can look for me.  i am really short (5 feet).  i have wavy brown hair and blue eyes.  i have an eyebrow ring.  i will be wearing jeans and i have no clue what else.   i will be carrying my blue eagle creek travel bag.  anyway, look for me.

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date:         wed, 28 jun 2000 23:50:26 edt
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what a day......let's see, today the supreme court by a 5-4 vote upheld the
right of the boy scouts to discriminate against gays and by a 5-4 vote barely
upheld a woman's choice regarding abortion......today a poll also has george
bush ahead of al gore by over 10%.....the thought that george could be the
next man to nominate people to the supreme court is very frightening.
please if you aren't regeistered to vote do so and make sure you vote in nov.
this election is so very important.

indi

ps      as for the ig content...hmm, let's see,      the ig were on queen
latifah's talk show once and queen latifah wants you to vote!   ;)


"from lane bryant.........

surprisingly, over 60 million americans are not registered voters!

so we teamed up with our new spokesmodel, hip-hop superstar queen latifah,
and election.com to make sure that every one of our customers registers to
vote before the big election.  and... we've made it easier than ever by
offering on-line voter registration on http://www.lanebryant.com.

it's as easy as 1, 2, 3...

1.  log on to http://www.lanebryant.com.
2.  fill out the short online registration form (provided by election.com).
3.  a registration form will arrive in your mail in a few weeks. sign it &
drop it in your mailbox (it's pre-addressed).

you're registered. it's that simple!

lane bryant>>

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date:         thu, 29 jun 2000 00:21:26 edt
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subject:      re: iso: jesus christ superstar live boot
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> i believe if you buy the jesus christ superstar video from daemonrecords.com
>  it's the same show as the radio broadcast, audio and all. i'm sure
>  someone'll correct me if i'm wrong.

actually, i have the daemon video and *used* to have part of the
radio broadcast on tape, and they're two different things...the radio
thing was out of seattle, wa (or thereabouts), and the video was
taped at sxsw in texas (?--somewhere southern ;).  if i ever find
my tape of the seattle broadcast, i'll let you know...it had a
gorgeous version of "i don't know how to love him."
peace 'em out,
pony

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date:         thu, 29 jun 2000 00:06:28 -0500
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hello fellow listees,

here's a brief synopsis of tonight's ig concert
at the paramount theater in cedar rapids, ia (6/28/00).
just got back, and i have to get to bed for work tomorrow.
the daily grind continues......(but, damn, that was a great
break from it tonight!!!)

here's the setlist:

three hits
trouble
tried to be true
least complicated
ozilline
everything in its own time
romeo and juliet
get out the map
faye tucker
closer to fine
shame on you
philosophy of loss
gone again
power of two
go
ghost
bury my heart at wounded knee
galileo

no big fashion report tonight.....it's pretty much the same as
always...amy with the tank under the shirt, and emily with
her cool wnba shirt.  but, i tell ya, amy looked better than i've seen
her
in a long time.  she looks really happy and healthy.
emily looks about the same, but amy especially shined tonight.
both of them were very enthusiastic and very "on" with their
music and harmonies.  the crowd was really into the entire
concert and sang and cheered very loudly throughout.
it was quite apparent that amy and emily were having a great
time and liked the crowd a lot.  it was great to be a part of it.

michelle malone opened the evening with a great set, as always,
and then that 14-year-old wonder, shannon curfman, followed
with an equally great set.  that was the first time i've seen
shannon live, and i was intensely impressed.   that woman can
sing!!!  i almost had to smack myself when, after both michelle
and shannon's sets were finished, i felt rather satisfied enough
to not need the ig part of the concert.  i snapped out of it really
quickly when our girls came on stage, though.   of course, we got
a glimpse of emily, as background vocals and guitar accompaniment,
during michelle's set, and then both amy and emily on background
and harmony vocals during shannon's set.  that's one of the things
i really love about a&e....their active support and involvement in their
openers' sets, as well as their inclusion of their openers in the final
group sing-a-long (this time bmhawk, with shannon on electric
guitar, and michelle on acoustic, and then all the rest of shannon's
band playing what they play.  they all sounded great together, and
shannon seemed to have quite a natural feel for the emotion of bmhawk.)

all in all, this was one of the best ig concerts i've seen in the last
two years.
too bad i didn't record it.  i usually do, but this time i'm just as glad

i was free to focus completely on the show rather than taking some of my
attention
away with a recorder.  hope someone else got it.

'night, y'all!

lisa s. (not d.)


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date:         thu, 29 jun 2000 01:55:16 -0400
reply-to:     phillip soloweszyk <psolowes@home.com>
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subject:      cedar rapids boot?
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hey all!

did anyone boot the cedar rapids show?  if so, i would love a copy, =
especially if you got shannon curfman's opening set..  i have just =
fallen in llove with her music..  reading lisa's review, i would love to =
have a copy of the whole thing, especially shannon and the girls =
together on bmhawk!!

email me if you got it, let's trade:-)

thanks,
phillip
"..here is my secret, a very simple secret:  it is only with the heart =
that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
the fox, the little prince - antoine de saint exupery

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date:         thu, 29 jun 2000 09:29:18 +0100
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this is the url for the e-mail campaign spearheaded by bono to drop 3rd world
debt.  you can register your support at the site and it sends an e-mail on your
behalf.

http://www.dropthedebt.org/

>>in less than a minute, you can help save the lives of the 19000 children who
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>>each day in africa. these children die because money that should go on clean
>>water and medicines is still being used to pay off foreign debt to rich
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>>this will send your email straight to bill clinton, tony blair and the other
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date:         thu, 29 jun 2000 07:15:31 -0400
reply-to:     cara klein <cara.klein@interpath.net>
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hey all! its just too early to be up and at werk! heres a little news
bit concerning our oh so beloved dr laura! maybe amy and emily could do
a song on her next! hey, who said there is no power in the voices?? have
a great day!! cant wait till that video comes out!! wooo hoo!!

cara

criticism hurts 'dr. laura'
laura schlessinger says the campaign to get paramount to drop
her tv show before it even airs has hurt her badly. known to
millions of listeners to her radio show as "dr. laura,"
schlessinger tells time magazine she has "cried more at times
than i would like to admit" and she says the whole process
has been "agonizing." the campaign is being waged by a
coalition of groups that regards schlessinger as dangerous,
because of her highly vocal condemnation of homosexuality,
which she has called a "biological error." schlessinger
tells time, "not being able to relate normally to a member
of the opposite sex is some kind of error," since humans
were "biologically meant to give birth to more people."
schlessinger also says no one at paramount has asked her to
modulate her rhetoric on the tv show, which is scheduled to
premier on sept. 11.

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date:         thu, 29 jun 2000 08:04:26 edt
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hi all,

its been a long 2 years since i've seen emily and amy (yes i'm an emily
person!!!!) and i was so glad to read the set list from cedar rapids.  due to
a messy, nasty divorce and the circumstances that evolved from it, i had
given up my road tripping last year, and the six months prior, they weren't
on tour!

i'd lost interest in music, other than the gloomy songs by sarah that related
to my sadness, so i really haven't gotten into cos.  gosh, i don't think i've
listened to it twice in the year that i've owned it.    i was pretty worried
that they would play mostly music from cos, but from the setlist, i see that
they are playing all the songs i've loved through the years.

my life is now better than it has been for years, and i'm bringing my fiance
along tonight to summerfest.  this will be his first ig experience and i am
so anxious to share it with him.

i miss all you oldtimers (where are you jilly c?) who were on the mailing
list 2 years ago...glad to see the list is still hopping and the fan base has
grown.

sorry for the "unloading" part of this email...but thanks again for the
setlist!

anxiously awaiting 11 pm,

karen

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date:         thu, 29 jun 2000 07:40:32 -0400
reply-to:     "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
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<<actually, i have the daemon video and *used* to have part of the radio
broadcast on tape, and they're two different things...the radio thing was
out of seattle, wa (or thereabouts), and the video was taped at sxsw in
texas (?--somewhere southern ;).  if i ever find my tape of the seattle
broadcast, i'll let you know...>>

the tape i have is (somewhat cryptically) marked as 'live in austin w/indigo
girls 3-19-1995', which would tie in with the sxsw/official video.

which isn't to say there couldn't be another radio broadcast from seattle as
well...

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i think the girls need to go to see mr bush and sing faye tucker just
for him! the guy is inhumane. i dont understand how this stuff is
happening more and more in our 'great' nation. im tellin ya, i think amy
and emily need to run for pres and vp (either doing one or the other!)
that way i would know for a fact this country and all human beings and
animals would have a shot at surving! heres the news tid bit that
brought this little ramblin about!
cara

texas may execute 13 by election day

           houston (ap) - gov. george w. bush's presidential run has
trained a spotlight on texas and
           the pace at which it administers capital punishment. the
state leads the nation in carrying out
           executions - 222 since 1982 - and has 13 more scheduled
through election day on nov. 7. the
           death penalty returned to the political forefront last week
when gary graham was executed for the
           1981 robbery-slaying of bobby lambert in houston. graham was
convicted largely on the word
           of a single eyewitness and bush had been pressured to speak
up against the execution. the
           governor did not, and the parole board rejected graham's
final request for a reprieve. bush
           repeatedly has expressed confidence in the system despite
studies questioning defendants' access
           to the courts. see full story

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is there going to be one?  we're still trying to decide if we should go =
or not and a listmeet would be a push in the yes direction.  thanks!

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i'm sure i'm the odd girl out on this but here goes:

i respect a&e's commitment to the things in which they believe however these
people on death row are not mr.'s congeniality.  they broke the law and are
on the row due to the fact that there was no human compassion from them to
their victims.  it is harsh.  but if we have no consequences in this great
nation then anarchy and crime will rule.  there must be consequences to
crime and more and more in the usa there are none.

just an opinion.  my right, too, you know.  please no flames.

~t

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> i think the girls need to go to see mr bush and sing faye tucker just
> for him! the guy is inhumane. i dont understand how this stuff is
> happening more and more in our 'great' nation. im tellin ya, i think amy
> and emily need to run for pres and vp (either doing one or the other!)
> that way i would know for a fact this country and all human beings and
> animals would have a shot at surving! heres the news tid bit that
> brought this little ramblin about!
> cara
>
> texas may execute 13 by election day
>
>            houston (ap) - gov. george w. bush's presidential run has
> trained a spotlight on texas and
>            the pace at which it administers capital punishment. the
> state leads the nation in carrying out
>            executions - 222 since 1982 - and has 13 more scheduled
> through election day on nov. 7. the
>            death penalty returned to the political forefront last week
> when gary graham was executed for the
>            1981 robbery-slaying of bobby lambert in houston. graham was
> convicted largely on the word
>            of a single eyewitness and bush had been pressured to speak
> up against the execution. the
>            governor did not, and the parole board rejected graham's
> final request for a reprieve. bush
>            repeatedly has expressed confidence in the system despite
> studies questioning defendants' access
>            to the courts. see full story
>
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in a perfect world, i believe the death penalty is warranted in some =
cases.  i see no reason to warehouse someone who has no hope of =
rehabilitation.  and i believe there are some people that are like that. =
however, you had better be damn sure that the way the person is =
evaluated is foolproof.  that's the crux of the problem.

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who has=20
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date:         thu, 29 jun 2000 07:01:36 -0700
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does anyone know why we keep seeing this post?

ryan

> -----original message-----
> from: indigo girls mailing list [mailto:indigo-girls@netspace.org]on
> behalf of cara klein
> sent: thursday, june 29, 2000 4:21 am
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> list]
>
>
> >from: donrich <donrich@neo.rr.com>
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> >date: wed, 28 jun 2000 21:16:27 -0400

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yes what is it??!!

from: ryan blackhawke <hawke2@email.msn.com>
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does anyone know why we keep seeing this post?

ryan

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in a message dated 6/29/00 10:01:00 am eastern daylight time,
hawke2@email.msn.com writes:

<< does anyone know why we keep seeing this post?

ryan >>


i think someone has started a little "hoax" and some folks are falling for
it.   if you read the email it says you have to forward the email to the list
to renew your subscription to the list.     maybe the list
owner/moderator(jen?) could chime in here and add her two cents.  fact or
fiction?!      :)

indi

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date:         thu, 29 jun 2000 10:29:01 -0400
reply-to:     "diane g." <dispdmg@fastdial.net>
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what exactly makes him inhumane in upholding the law of the state he is
governor of? i don't understand your position.  the death penalty is
:::obviously:::: legal in tx. he's the governor. he really has little to say
about who receives the death penalty and who doesn't. the people dishing out
the penalty are the commoners - the citizens sitting on the juries.  gov.
bush has little to do with it.

diane

> i think the girls need to go to see mr bush and sing faye tucker just
> for him! the guy is inhumane. i dont understand how this stuff is
> happening more and more in our 'great' nation. im tellin ya, i think amy
> and emily need to run for pres and vp (either doing one or the other!)
> that way i would know for a fact this country and all human beings and
> animals would have a shot at surving! heres the news tid bit that
> brought this little ramblin about!
> cara
>

>

* * * * * * * * * * * * *
diane g.
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why?  because there is no roman numeral for zero."

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i think that the issue here is that many of us on the list are against
the death penalty...and the govenor of the state has the power to stay
an execution, especially in a case where there is still some doubt as to
the guilt of the person slated for execution. personally, i don't
support the death penalty. no one has the right to take a life...that's
the whole point of convicting a person in the first place of
murder...and by executing someone for killing someone we're basically
doing the same thing. i also don't necessarily believe in
rehabilitation, but "warehousing" (as someone else on this list said)
someone is actually the only alternative. i guess maybe we could take
away their color cable tv, air conditioning, and make them work for the
rest of their lives, but i don't feel we have a right to punish people
by killing them. let their higher power take care of that.
just my opinion, no flaming please
sharon
diane g. wrote:
>
> what exactly makes him inhumane in upholding the law of the state he is
> governor of? i don't understand your position.  the death penalty is
> :::obviously:::: legal in tx. he's the governor. he really has little to say
> about who receives the death penalty and who doesn't. the people dishing out
> the penalty are the commoners - the citizens sitting on the juries.  gov.
> bush has little to do with it.
>
> diane
>
> > i think the girls need to go to see mr bush and sing faye tucker just
> > for him! the guy is inhumane. i dont understand how this stuff is
> > happening more and more in our 'great' nation. im tellin ya, i think amy
> > and emily need to run for pres and vp (either doing one or the other!)
> > that way i would know for a fact this country and all human beings and
> > animals would have a shot at surving! heres the news tid bit that
> > brought this little ramblin about!
> > cara
> >
>
> >
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> diane g.
> aol im'er: dispdmg
>
> "i am the ultimate grand master of reverse continuity, and you wanna know
>  why?  because there is no roman numeral for zero."
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hi everyone!
   i don't know if anyone here even remembers me but i was on this list
for about three years..and left about a year and a half ago. it sure
feels good to be back again. hope you all are doing well!
sharon

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am trying to find the website on ani's indi label, does anyone know the url?
if someone could email it to me privately i would be very appreciative.  (i
know it's probably something simple like www.rbr.com but i'm asking anyways)
thanx
denise
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place'"-vw-es
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in a message dated 6/29/00 10:22:22 am, someone wrote:

<<i think someone has started a little "hoax" and some folks are falling for
it.   if you read the email it says you have to forward the email to the list
to renew your subscription to the list.     maybe the list
owner/moderator(jen?) could chime in here and add her two cents.  fact or
fiction?!      :)>>

actually... the original message says forward it to listserv@netspace.org to
renew, not to the list itself.  obviously, the first post was a mistake.  now
you know... let it go.

dee

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<<  he really has little to say
about who receives the death penalty and who doesn't. >>
    as governor, he reviews every last death penalty sentence and can
overturn them if he finds cause to. so far, he has not (except maybe 1x), not
even in the gary graham case, despite the overwhelming evidence. speaking of
overwhelming evidence, there was none in his case to convict him.
    on a related note, some of you might have seen a syndicated column that
originated in the ny times from a woman who was, not 100 percent, but 1,000
percent certain of the man who raped her, had studied his face carefully
during the incident, etc., in order to be a strong witness if the time came.
it did, and she helped convict the man. when years later authorities
themselves questioned the verdict and came to her with another name, she was
dead certain that she had never seen this guy in her life, and she agreed to
dna testing on the case, knowing she'd been right all along. she was wrong,
and the man she had "never seen" was, in fact, the rapist, and she feels
incredible remorse at having robbed an innocent man of 11 years of his life.
here's someone doing all the right things to protect herself and be a "good"
witness and she was wrong about her attacker.
    if you never kill anyone for their supposed crimes, you never have to
worry about killing an innocent person. and to me, a unitarian universalist
who follows a buddhist path, it is not about guilt or innocence, it is merely
about valuing all life and opposing all killing. and i know it's been
mentioned here before: with all the appeals, special housing and protection,
and the actual costs of the process, it costs more to put someone to death in
this country than it does to keep them jailed for life.
    the best thing i have ever read on this subject is the book by sr. helen
prejean, "dead man walking." she blends her compelling story with cold, hard
data about this nation's killing machine.
deb

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even though i posted a question about galileo i haven't heard anything
back, so i figured i'd throw in my own ideas and maybe someone'll
respond :)....

-jared
jared@dancingwithwords.com

here goes:

a long time ago people made mistakes.  people were ignorant.  but they
still are.  and that ignorance is passed on from generation to generation.

galileo was an exception.  he ignored the stereotypes, clinging to his
rational intuition and persistent need for truth.  unfortunately he was
punished for his seemingly anachronistic beliefs.

but to this day these atrocities still take place.  people are prejudiced
and we still have a lot of growth as human beings.  thankfully we've grown
a lot, but sadly we haven't grown enough.  as we continue to inherit both
the good and bad from previous generations, when will we figure out what's
right?

sometimes it's pleasing to know that we're making a difference, that we're
changing, that we're passing on good advice to our children...  but this
progression is so slow and there is still so much injustice.  why can't we
have the "night vision" that we need right now, so that we can stop
*responding* to the evils and eliminate them once and for all...

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not a flame, t. but i just wanted to say that i am a psychiatric epidemiologist and have studied more than 100 death row inmates. roughly 80-90% of them have brain damage which impedes impulse control. i am not trying to get them off scot-free, but people need to realize that the death penalty does not deter crime committed by such persons. it simply serves as revenge...

b.

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previous comment: couldnt you make a case that if people can't impede the impulse control that prevents them from killing than society does have the right to do whatever will prevent them from killing again?

my response: lock them up, don't murder them. it's called mitigating circumstances. most the brain damage is due to physical abuse as children. they are also victims (don't get me started....)

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i guess i should have said just a bit more! if someone commits a crime,
they
should be punished, although i think our jail and prisons in this nation
are
sick and disgusting.  more and more ppl (we have to remeber, as hanious
as some
of these crimes are, the perps are still human beings) are being sent to
death
row wrongly in the first place, but thats irrelevant to my point.  if
someone
is, w/ out a doubt guilty of a murder or visisuas crime, that still does
not
give anyone permission to play god and decide who dies and who lives.
yes
those who take a life are wrong, but should we do wrong to show just how
wrong
it is? (what ever happen to the child hood saying that two wrongs don't
make a
right?)

no one has a right to take anothers life, that means no one. not even
the gov't
or the state.there are other ways to have justice w/ out killing
eachother.  if
its legal to kill by gov't orders, just like in war, why are we soooo
suprised
that there are so many crimes outside of govt?

i posted a while back a whole big thing on forgiveness, and that schpeel
is how
come to deal w/ the issue of the death penalty.  its easy to look at the

headlines and not look beyond.  very few ppl just commit crimes for the
hell of
it. for most there are other factors, not excuses, but factors that need
to be
talked about but arent. i have heard many say that if it were myself or
someone
i loved that had a crime commited agaisn't them theyd want the death
penalty.
what about the families of those on death row? ever person is a mother
and
fathers daughter or son, sister or bother etc.

anyway, there are so many things i want to say, but i know that this
topic isnt
appropriate for a long disscussion. if anyone wants to further the
discussion,
please email me!  i most definitly respect the veiws of anyone! i can
only say
what i feel is right for me, not for anyone else!

have a great day everyone!!
cara

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hi everyone.  i am looking for the old ig bumper sticker that has a white
background and says indigo girls in blue.   does anyone know where i might
find one?  i had one on my car, but it got ruined when a car pushed mine from
the back :(   please respond privately :)

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> which isn't to say there couldn't be another radio broadcast from seattle as
> well...

there very well could be.

i don't know of any complete broadcast from seattle, though ig did appear
on "sandy bradley's potluck" and perform a few songs from jcs. i have it
on tape somewhere. if anyone (neily?) wants to transfer it to cd and put
it on a compilation i think i could manage to unearth the pesky lil' tape.

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in a message dated 6/29/00 1:35:48 pm eastern daylight time, btfenton@aol.com
writes:

<< my response: lock them up, don't murder them. it's called mitigating
circumstances. most the brain damage is due to physical abuse as children.
they are also victims (don't get me started....) >>

yes but do you know that for one person to be tried and convicted, you can
put 11 students though college with full paid  scholarships??? i believe that
education is far more important that housing a murderer. what good are they
to society when they'll only be locked up all thier lives? not learning a
thing because of their mental disorder that caused them to kill in the first
place?

well, hope i haven't pissed too many ppl off,
~maggie

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well let's see here i agree with you all the way.
but i am not surprized  that our dear ole president-wanna-be baby bush,
would execute
13 by election day being he's already executed
at least 125 people. the most any governor has excuted.

it's all part of his "compassionate justice."  he says that if the
process were speeded-up
the death penalty would be more copassionate.
in actuality, i believe he would just end up with
more blood  on his hands.  he must not be put
in office come november.

peace
barb


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i think a beautiful example of this is when matthew shephard's parents asked
the courts not to kill the boys who murdered their son.  they showed true
compassion instead of cold-blooded revenge.  i'm sure that many of us would
have gotten some satisfaction out of seeing matthew shephard's killers fry in
an electric chair, but that doesn't make it right to kill them.  they got
satisfaction out of watching him be tied to a fence, so if we do the same
thing, we are just like them.  all of this coupled with the facts that the
death penalty does not save money, it in fact costs much more; and that soooo
many death row cases are overturned; shows me that this barbaric,
self-serving form of punishment must come to an end.

just my opinion,

jer

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well, now we are putting prices on each person's head...my 11 students
are worth more than your one inmate...
i mean, this is getting silly.
life is not ours to take at whim. this is why killing someone is called
murder. i also think that it's silly to think that we are actually
rehabilitating people in jail when most of the time they end up worse
off than they were. however, putting someone in a place where they can't
harm anyone again is the best solution we have. my other answer to this
money issue is that prisoners should have to work for their livings just
like everyone else. if they put in a full-time week of work doing
something useful, whether it be making license plates or working on a
road crew or whatever, at least they are earning their keep. we can't
send the message to people that killing is wrong by killing killers. get
it?
not a flame
sharon

maggie depathy wrote:
>
> in a message dated 6/29/00 1:35:48 pm eastern daylight time, btfenton@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << my response: lock them up, don't murder them. it's called mitigating
> circumstances. most the brain damage is due to physical abuse as children.
> they are also victims (don't get me started....) >>
>
> yes but do you know that for one person to be tried and convicted, you can
> put 11 students though college with full paid  scholarships??? i believe that
> education is far more important that housing a murderer. what good are they
> to society when they'll only be locked up all thier lives? not learning a
> thing because of their mental disorder that caused them to kill in the first
> place?
>
> well, hope i haven't pissed too many ppl off,
> ~maggie

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dito that, i would also love a copy of cedar rapids.  i can trade sioux
falls.

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cara wrote:

>   which she has called a "biological error." schlessinger
>  tells time, "not being able to relate normally to a member
>  of the opposite sex is some kind of error," since humans
>  were "biologically meant to give birth to more people."

relate normally to members of the opposite sex? oh, i get it. relate
normally = copulate with for the sake of all creation. cool! i think i'll go
out and "relate normally" with a bunch of guys at the sports bar tonight. if
i'm supposed to be relating normally, does that mean that i let them pay for
the beer?

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on thu, 29 june 2000, i can talk to the animals wrote:
>i guess maybe we could take
> away their color cable tv, air conditioning, and make them work for the

ok, let me start off by saying that i am 100% and unconditionally opposed to the death penalty.  it's inhumane.  it's murder.  and there have been many cases of poor attorneys, forced confessions, and unfair trials.  so many of the people on death row are innocent.

i am currently involved with a few groups that campaign to end the death penalty.  through my work as an activist, i have started to correspond with death row inmates.  i think once people realize that these peopel are animals and most are not cold blooded killers, they will realize that the death penalty is not the only solution.

i have just one comment about the quoting from the posting above.  it is a myth that death row inmates get cable tv and a/c.  in san quentin (california), one of the inmates i correspond with says in the summer you practically have to strip naked and lay still all day in order just to keep semi-cool.  and winters are even worse...his particular unit has no heat!  as far as cable tv goes, there are cable plugins in the wall, but no one (no prisioner) is allowed to access it.  (and only those who can afford tv's can buy them since you have to buy directly from the prision.  again, another example of classism involved).  so, at least at san quentin, there is no cable or a/c (or heat!) on death row.  i have read accounts from death row prisioners in other states that the situation is pretty similar elsewhere.

ok, no flames.

:-) karen

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ok, here goes my $0.02, there's no wrong or right, right?

galileo to me and to many others is about reincarnation, if you believe it
exist.  the thought that your actions may reflect on a future life is so
hard to grasp.  i mean suppose it is true and every person who is a
murderer, a rapist, child molester, etc.  has a new life, created from
theirs when they die, who has to make up for all of the terrible things
their former life did.  what an unbelievable concept.  it is like russian
roulette.  you have no control over what you are in for in your lifetime, no
matter what you do.

i don't know though, it seems like everyone should be held accountable for
their own actions in some way or another, that just would not be fair, but
then is life fair?  why punish another life for what you did?  (by the way
galileo just came on while i was typing this...............spooky)  anyway i
have always thought of reincarnation as a very fascinating topic.

this also brings about a really strange connection to the "death penalty"
discussion.  suppose someone who would have been sentenced to death for
something extremely malicious that they did to another, was given life
instead and in their lifetime turned themselves completely around, did good
for others and genuinely had changed.  then the life that became of his/hers
once they passed would be spared a lifetime of trying to make up for their
past life.  whereas if the 1st person had been put to death the new life
would be surely be terrible to live.

sorry that was so long, good thread, i think.

traci


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date:         thu, 29 jun 2000 15:43:18 -0700
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"one of the inmates i correspond with says in the summer you practically
have to strip naked and lay still all day in order just to keep semi-cool.
and winters are even worse...his particular unit has no heat!  as far as
cable tv goes, there are cable plugins in the wall, but no one is allowed to
access it..."

that's terrible!!!!...i can't believe it!!!  .these poor killers have to go
without heat!!  and cable t.v.!!  that's just too much!!   too bad the
people they killed don't have to worry about being hot or watching
cable...since they're dead...

i am so going to be flamed....oh, well...this will be my last post on
this....sorry if i offended..

annamarie

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the fiscal argument for capital punishment (ie, it's cheaper to kill 'em
than to house 'em) has been shown to be riddled with holes, mostly because
the death-row process is extremely expensive.  it may cost a lot to house
prisoners, but it costs more to kill 'em.

how about we put some money into keeping people out of prison so that some
of them can take advantage of those paid scholarships we'd free up...

>yes but do you know that for one person to be tried and convicted, you can
>put 11 students though college with full paid  scholarships??? i believe
>that
>education is far more important that housing a murderer.
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> that's terrible!!!!...i can't believe it!!!  .these poor killers have to go
> without heat!!  and cable t.v.!!  that's just too much!!   too bad the
> people they killed don't have to worry about being hot or watching
> cable...since they're dead...
>

i'm not saying that it is unjust that they don't have cable.  i just posted that to clear up misconceptions about prison being a "life of luxury."  it's far from that.  a lot of people seem to have these images of prisoners sitting in an air conditioned cell watching mtv all day.  that is far from the truth.

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date:         thu, 29 jun 2000 15:50:52 -0400
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in response to traci's thougts...

i agree that the song is a lot about reincarnation, though i like to look
at that topic in two ways.  literally the song is saying that you have to
serve for the mistakes made in someone's past.  and figuratively you are
living out the norms and ideas of your previous generations.  i'm not sure
which one emily meant to focus on, but when she compares galileo's "night
vision" to how "all souls" haven't gotten it right, it seems like she's
talking about the figurative version.  that is, when are we *all* going to
figure things out, as opposed to specifically dealing with the
reincarnation of one person.  on the other hand, when she mentions how
"maybe you squandered big bucks...now i have to pay" she *could* be
speaking literally about her current life.

i hope this response makes some sense as it is a little confusing, but
basically i think you can interpret the song in both ways and i personally
tend to side with the figurative one.  as i stated in the last letter i
believe that all of society has a lot of growth it still needs before
"all souls get it right."  i'm gonna cut this short and wait for more
responses i guess...

jared

ps what exactly is the purpose of "i'm not making a joke, you know me i
take everything so seriously."  i'm trying to figure out if that's sarcasm
or sincere.  and how does it add to the song... some food for thought :)

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what exactly is the purpose of "i'm not making a joke, you know me i
take everything so seriously."  i'm trying to figure out if that's sarcasm
or sincere.  and how does it add to the song... some food for thought :)


that was a direct response to early criticism of ig by those in the media who found them too serious and earnest...before being constantly tagged as lesbian singers, they were constantly labeled as "serious" (meaning downers)

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date:         thu, 29 jun 2000 16:33:12 -0700
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>i would disagree with amy on cons,  not being "all that different"
>taking their trademark harmonies coverring them up by overproduction
>was a very big let-down which is why i don't even listen to  go, soon be
>to nothing, peace tonight, cold beer and remote control,  they are way
>overdone .

i'm not really musically intelligent..when it comes to producing or
overproducing music as is stated above, etc...i don't know what goes into
writing or singing a song...the only thing i know is that the songs on cons
sound damn good to me...

annamarie

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> my response: lock them up, don't murder them. it's called
> mitigating circumstances. most the brain damage is due to
> physical abuse as children. they are also victims (don't get me
> started....)

<tongue planted firmly in cheek>

hmmm, i was physically abused from the age of 6 til 9 and molested by
stepfather and mother (at times) from 9-20.

i am missing out! i should go on a murderous rampage cuz after all, i'm a
victim of childhood abuse! i have a mitigating circumstance, ie, brain
damage from all the abuse so they will only lock me up! heh, yeah.

oops, couldn't help myself. didn't mean to kill the guy walking down the
street. you see, i was a victim of childhood abuse.

</tongue firmly planted in cheek>

every time i hear this argument of, "well, they were victims" i just get
very angry. there are millions of people out there who suffer horrendous
abuse and lead happy, productive lives. why should it be an out from taking
responsibility for our actions? saying that murderers do what they do
because they were abused just seems to discount all those survivors out
there who don't do things like that.

in my opinion anyway. oh yeah, in my little example, those things really did
happen to me yet, i have not gone on murderous rampages and have done a
fairly good job of controlling destructive impulses, as have many other
survivors.

ryan

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> i am missing out! i should go on a murderous rampage cuz after all, i'm a
> victim of childhood abuse! i have a mitigating circumstance, ie, brain
> damage from all the abuse so they will only lock me up! heh, yeah.

<tongue in cheek>

yeah, but you wouldn't have any air conditioning or even a fan.
i don't know if i'd be able to handle it in this pnw heat!

then again, for a room of one's own ...

</tongue in cheek>

-bon

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hole that was begun 3 years back....i usually don't mind nigc or very =
little nigc threads..but this one is hurting too much......
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actually, according to the constitution for the state of tx the gov. has no
ability to stay an execution without the consent/recommendation of several
panels.  the man was simply abiding by the laws of his state and, and this
is the great part, enforcing the constitution of his state.  you can't just
make it up as you go or "feel" your way through issues.  there are laws.
whether or not we like/agree with them.


subject: re: faye tucker over and over and over and over....


> i think that the issue here is that many of us on the list are against
> the death penalty...and the govenor of the state has the power to stay
> an execution, especially in a case where there is still some doubt as to
> the guilt of the person slated for execution. personally, i don't
> support the death penalty. no one has the right to take a life...that's
> the whole point of convicting a person in the first place of
> murder...and by executing someone for killing someone we're basically
> doing the same thing. i also don't necessarily believe in
> rehabilitation, but "warehousing" (as someone else on this list said)
> someone is actually the only alternative. i guess maybe we could take
> away their color cable tv, air conditioning, and make them work for the
> rest of their lives, but i don't feel we have a right to punish people
> by killing them. let their higher power take care of that.
> just my opinion, no flaming please
> sharon

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crime is down in texas.


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> there is no evidence that the death penalty deters crime. this
> is one of my primary objections to the death penalty,
> in conjunction with the fact that there is a gross racial imbalance
> in application of these laws and the fact that people convicted
> for capital crimes are often represented by undertrained,
> sometimes incompetant, attorneys. in many states capital
> defendants are "represented" by lawers who do not
> even practice criminal law.
>
> additionally, there is no excuse, now that technology
> has made the evaluation of dna evidence possible, to
> refuse access to dna testing to convicted criminals if the
> findings might exonerate them. this is a very small safeguard
> to protect those who maybe once were mr. congeniality
> and were wrongfully convicted for crimes they didn't
> commit.
>
> finally, it may be worthwhile to point out that inspite of
> the highest rate of incarceration in the industrial world, the
> united states remains one of the great global crime infested
> cesspools. vengence has done virtually nothing to make
> this a more safe, or a more just, nation.
>
> best,
> kc
>
>
>
>
> t wrote:
>
> > i'm sure i'm the odd girl out on this but here goes:
> >
> > i respect a&e's commitment to the things in which they believe however
these
> > people on death row are not mr.'s congeniality.  they broke the law and
are
> > on the row due to the fact that there was no human compassion from them
to
> > their victims.  it is harsh.  but if we have no consequences in this
great
> > nation then anarchy and crime will rule.  there must be consequences to
> > crime and more and more in the usa there are none.
> >
> > just an opinion.  my right, too, you know.  please no flames.
> >
> > ~t
>

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date:         thu, 29 jun 2000 18:39:56 -0700
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hey ya'll.....my friend katy and i have tickets to friday's concert, and now
at the last minute she's decided that we really need to go to both shows,but
she wasn't able to get saturday tickets, so if anyone has 2 extra tickets
for saturday the 15th in seattle, please rsvp.  if not, just one would
probably be ok to. thanks!  bronwen
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gov. bush has killed more people than all other states combined this year.

the day before gary graham died - the courts ruled an convicted killer -
with an iq of 60 - can be killed. the man has the mental age (i hate that
term, i'm sure there is a developmental disability specialist lurking on the
list ready to flame me...) of 7...

so, if you agree with the death penalty - you are saying killing people who
killed people to say that killing is wrong is okay?

and it's okay for a goverment to take a citizen's life for punishment?

never mind how racist and classist the entire capital punishment system is.

my .02

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hi folks,

please take the death penalty/faye tucker thread off-list to private
email or other forums.

thank you.

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hi folks,

a reminder...

please use plain text only when posting to the list.  many listees are
unable to read html or mime messages.

thank you.

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i had my first front row ig show tuesday night.  it
was  great to be up close and see so well.   i was
surprised to see that so much of the auditorium was
not sold out.  (the balconies were empty!)  i would
estimate the place was only 60-70% full!

i don't have the set list, but it was a nice mix of
the old and the new.

the highlight for me was amy's haunting rendition of
romeo and juliet... you could have heard a pin drop
during some of her pauses.

i don't think i will ever get used to ctf not being
the last song.

i will limit my grovel for an ames boot to this:
please? anyone?... i have several to trade.

thanks,
derek


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ok, so i don't even know the question yet cuz its the commercial break....
but...
the category is "i toured with the indigo girls and i'm not even baez"

more to come!
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hey all,
after two of the greatest days i've had in a real long time, we're back
from iowa and safe at home in southern illinois. i thought i'd do one email
for each show to avoid confusion.
        ames was great...fine venue and helpful, friendly staff. we got into town
at about 6:30 p.m., checked into the motel and headed to stephens
auditorium on the iowa state university campus. free parking and plenty of
it...yipeee
        we had 6th row, which was actually 9th row with the 3 rows of orchestra
seating, and they were a bit to the left side and quite nice.
        michelle malone did pretty much the same set both nights, and both were
fabulous. emily played guitar and sang backup with her on strength for two,
as she does on michelle's homegrown cd. one thing i was hoping these two
shows would do is make me a real michelle fan, as i liked her well enough
before but had never seen her live and wasn't a huge fan. i loved her and
my husband and i got to meet her briefly each night and she was just
charming. she was just terrific.
        shannon curfman impressed me with her poise for such a young woman. she
had a great backing band and her set list was similar both nights as well,
but equally entertaining. that girl can sing and play like a powerhouse.

ok, now for the girls, i'll start with their set list, which i didn't see
posted in the 257 emails that awaited me when we arrived home:
peace tonight
ozilline, with michelle malone
least complicated
shame on you, with michelle malone
andy
i don't wanna know, with michelle malone (of course : )
trouble
romeo and juliet
get out the map, with michelle malone
cedar tree
cold beer and remote control
go
closer to fine
gone again, with michelle malone
philosophy of loss
chickenman, with michelle malone
bury my heart at wounded knee, with shannon curfman and her band and
michelle and her accompanying guitarist
galileo

emily wore a striped shirt over a yellow tshirt with a red and yellow
design, gray pants, her boots and it looked like she had the glittery blue
eye shadow on
amy wore a brownish shirt, gray pants and her cowboy hat, which was super
cool

michelle malone and ig were all pretty chatty...they'd had a day off before
and spent all day in tuesday, golfing, biking, bowling (at 20th century
bowl) and ate many meals at happy chef, according to emily. happy chef was
right by our motel and we dined there as well...not too bad

the crowd both nights was just tremendous. i was thrilled to be surrounded
by dancing, cheering people who were just as thrilled to be there as i was.
i was the chick in the 9th row in the brown dress with orange poppies
hopping around like a madwoman for much of the show. i promised myself i
would enjoy every moment of this trip and i had the best time : )

i did get to meet emily and amy : ) we went back to the car after the show
to get the cookies i'd made for them and the songbook to have them sign if
it worked out. we treked back and there were about 30 people in a semi-line
and it was drizzled, which quickly turned into a windy downpour. we lost 6
to 8 people and waited it out while the crew moved the equipment into the
two trucks, which were backed up right by the vans. michelle malone and
various band members came and went and we cheered them and sang some and it
was a nice time.
        amy came out first with a gentlemen holding an umbrella for her and it
looked like they were headed right for the bus and the group surrounded her
(nicely, of course) and i was a little slow to get over there and some kind
souls made room for me so i could give her the box of cookies and tell her
i'd made them for the group and she said the box was beautiful and thank
you so much and signed my songbook on the inside cover page since the cover
was damp, and she signed right below here pic. i think she pretty much got
to everybody in the group and got on the bus.
        emily came out a bit later and stood at the edge of the building and she
signed my songbook as well and told us we were a great crowd. i think they
took pity on us because we looked like a bunch of drowned rats, but they
couldn't have been nicer. i think she signed for everyone there, but i was
too busy skipping happily down the rain-soaked lawn to our truck to see for
sure. i was thrilled...my husband was taking pictures and we'll see how
they turned out tomorrow.
        i promise my cedar rapids post will be much shorter...thanks for listening
y'all and sharing in my excitement...was anyone else in the group that
waited with us after the ames show? i met some really cool people but no
list members that i know of...
michelle

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hey again,
now on to the cedar rapids show. this was a really nice venue...the
paramount theatre is an old theatre that was really grand. the set list and
fashion report were already posted, i think, so i'll just give it a quick
run-down.
        during shannon curfman's set, she had some rather major technical troubles
and seemed a little frustrated. she also said this was her last night
touring with the girls and said she was getting sentimental. she was
flustered when they finally got it all worked out and she was ready to
start her next song and amy and emily came out to sing back up and amy them
emily hugged her after the song. i thought it was a wonderful, really sweet
way for them to let her know it was ok, that this stuff happens to
everybody, and thank her for spending the week with them.
        as i said in my ames post, michelle malone and shannon both played great
sets again at this show. michelle played wild horses wednesday, which was
wonderful. we only live an hour east of st. louis and are going to try and
see her when she's playing there in july.
        a little less chatting tonight, but they hadn't spent as much time in
cedar rapids as ames, and seemed really happy nonetheless. another great
crowd, standing for much of the show and a lot of dancing and cheering and
singing along. they really seemed to dig the crowds and their energy both
nights. some people did insist on yelling galileo, but for the most part
the crowd listened well during the quieter songs.
        hearing amy do romeo and juliet both nights was a huge thrill. what she
does with this song live is amazing and gave me chills. and i don't think i
could ever get tired of singing along with them to least complicated, one
of my ig favorites.
        the only thing i would have wanted is to hear tangled up in blue instead
of bury my heart at wounded knee one of the nights as the first encore, but
that's selfish and it was really two magical nights of tremendous music and
i'm so happy i could burst because it was such a fun time. my husband had
never seen them live and enjoyed it very much, too. iowa was beautiful and
i'm a little sad for it to be over, but it was great.

did anyone wait for them by the buses wednesday night after this show and
have any luck? i was going to stick around, but tired and hungry won out.
let me know how it went.
        and, of course, if anyone has a boot of the ames of cedar rapids shows, i
don't have much to trade, but i'll always supply a blank and postage. and i
don't know how they turned out yet, but i also might have a few pics of
them performing in ames and signing autographs after...
        thanks for letting me share,
michelle

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>the category is "i toured with the indigo girls and i'm not even baez"

i was just wondering what the question and answer ended up being...
i thought that would have been followed with another post...thanks!!!
peace and love,
          carrie
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the milwaukee journal-sentinel did an on-line chat with emily on 6/28/00 at
the website:

http://www.jsonline.com/chat/june00/saliers062800.asp

i'll try to reproduce it here (no promises on formatting and without
permission)

        -- chris

p.s.  interesting reply to the "bi" question -- somehow i think she's just
being polite ;)

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                                wednesday, june 28, 7 p.m. cst
                                emily saliers
                                indigo girls

                                emily saliers, half of the grammy award
winning duo from georgia - the indigo girls - chatted with readers june 28
- the day
                                before she will be dishing up her
folksy-style of rock at summerfest on the briggs & stratton big backyard
stage. saliers'
                                songwriting style has been compared to that
of joni mitchell - a gentle, complex sound leaning toward the abstract
spiritual side -
                                which is in contrast to her partner, amy
ray, whose influences span the punk rock genre. saliers and ray have been
                                guitar-slinging together since the early
'80s.

                q: -- when are you playing tonight?

                a: emily saliers -- now! i gotta go do a show. thank you
all for visiting with me. come see our show tomorrow night at summerfest.

                q: emily of michigan -- where are you playing tonight?

                a: emily saliers -- we are playing in cedar rapids, iowa at
the paramount theater.

                q: wendy of dekalb -- what musicians to enjoy listening to?

                a: emily saliers -- so many. i love a lot of rap music,
hip-hop - queen latifah, public enemy, tu pac, rage against the machine,
filter, tori amos, joni mitchell,

                heart, aerosmith, tlc, cibo matto just to name a few.

                q: jordan of pleasant grove utah -- amy often speaks out
about being bi sexual, and i know that you are gay, are you bi sexual or
just gay? in other words would
                you give this guy a shot? p.s. are you seeing anyone?

                a: emily saliers -- the only reason why i wouldn't give a
guy a shot is because i am in a committed monogamous relationship. if i
weren't in a relationship, who
                knows what would happen.

                q: jason of mequon -- it seemed with your song "southland
in the springtime" you were going for a more country sound. was your song
"nashville" a response
                to your experiences in this genre?

                a: emily saliers -- no, amy wrote nashville. that song was
about her experiences at vanderbilt university. as far a genre goes, i feel
like a lot of my songs have
                a country bent to them and if they were produced that way,
they would sound very country. i love country music. my favorite country
band it the dixie chicks.

                q: jordan of pleasant grove utah!! -- iam haveing trouble
picking(no pun intended) up the banjo, i love your playing and i was
wondering when you 1st started
                playing did you start playing basic or did you start with
like a blue grass style? p.s. i love you!

                a: emily saliers -- that's sweet. i started playing banjo
3-4 years ago. "get out the map" was the first song i wrote on banjo and i
actually don't really have any
                banjo technique at all. i sort of play it like a guitar.
so, don't feel bad if you can't play it like you think you should. i am,
however, going to learn some bluegrass
                licks because i love real bluegrass banjo. i just haven't
learned it yet.

                q: karen peeters of sturgeon bay -- how old were you when
you first started playing guitar?

                a: emily saliers -- i was 9.

                q: carla of milwaukee -- are you planning on visiting any
of the lesbian bars in milwaukee? are you in a relationship now?

                a: emily saliers -- we're both in relationships and we
don't usually go out to bars when we are on the road. i don't usually go to
bars much anymore.

                q: jason of mequon -- i heard once that you were rem's
favorite band. what is your connection to rem?

                a: emily saliers -- i've never heard we are rem's favorite
band. we've been friends with those guys for a long time. we met because
rem lived in athens and
                we lived in atlanta and scott litt produced our first epic
record. he had been producing their records. so, they came in the studio to
do a song with us. then,
                they offered us a leg of their green tour.


                q: sally of south milwaukee -- your songs are beautifully
complex with many chord changes. does this fact have something to do with
the reason why you
                change guitars after nearly every song?

                a: emily saliers -- we change guitars because of tuning and
because the different guitars have different sonic textures, so we use
different guitars for different
                songs. it is quite a luxury.

                q: carol of oak creek -- will you get an opportunity to
walk around and enjoy the michigan festival or will you quickly be ushered
in and out? i hope your
                celebrity status doesn't interfere with a chance to enjoy a
wonderful experience.

                a: emily saliers -- we're going to try to wonder as much as
possible. the day after we play we are going to join our friends, the
butchies, in their set.

                q: jenna of chicago -- have you ever performed with cheryl
wheeler? when? how was it?

                a: emily saliers -- no, we have not performed with her. i
really like her music. i am pretty sure that she was at one of the ben &
jerry's folk festivals that we
                were at. she wrote the song "aces" which i love. i have met
her but we haven't performed together.

                q: joanne of waukesha -- emily, you are the finest
guitarist around! how long did you study classical guitar.

                a: emily saliers -- that a very nice thing to say. i
studied classical guitar for 2 years when i was eleven. you should see
shannon curfman or michelle malone
                play guitar. they're incredible.

                q: carol of oak creek -- emily, you and amy are simply the
best! my question is, how do you approach songwriting? do you write the
lyrics or melody first?

                a: emily saliers -- kind of both at the same time, usually
i will find a chord progression and depending on the music it will guide me
to access different things i
                have been thinking about. then, i start off by throwing in
some specific images with a bunch of jibberish, then edit the lyrics as i go.

                q: charlie of milwaukee -- are there any places that you
play each year during gay/lesbian festivals? if so, where?

                a: emily saliers -- we've played in atlanta and d.c. if we
are not traveling during gay pride, we will play in atlanta. and we invited
ourselves to the michigan
                womyn's festival in august.

                q: sarah of milwaukee -- will there be another lilith fair
someday? are you friends with other performers from lilith fair? do you get
together with them often?

                a: emily saliers -- i don't know. that's up to sarah. but
we would love to part of it. yeah, we keep in touch with joan osbourne. she
just sang with us in nyc a
                couple of weeks ago and of course some of the women artists
on the new record are people we met at lillith. we met a lot of women that
we keep in regular
                contact with.

                q: lizzy of milwaukee -- the indigo girls have written a
number of songs documenting the struggle of american indians, even
including live performances at
                reservations on 1200 curfews. could you discuss how you
became involved in advocating for american indians? also, how has the
american indian community
                received your efforts?

                a: emily saliers -- we joined up with winona laduke at
earth day in 1991 and began to merge some environment work with hers
because a lot of the
                environmental issues are happening on indian land. ie.
toxic waste dumping, mining, clear cutting, slaughter of the buffalo. we
have been really well received by
                the communities. it has been sort of a cultural change and
we are always respectful that the decision comes from the communities not
me and amy. it has been
                the most inspirational work of our lives.

                q: jen of milwaukee -- welcome to milwaukee and the big
gig! you and amy are known for your harmonies and incredible vocal
interactions. when one of you
                writes a song, how much freedom do you give the other in
deciding what parts to sing and how to sing them? (btw, i learned to play
guitar through ig music, so
                thanks for all the lessons!)

                a: emily saliers -- you're welcome. it's kind of a give and
take when we are arranging songs. sometimes the first idea that one of us
has many not seem like the
                best idea, but then it grows on us. and a lot of times it
just feels right right away, but the songwriter has the ultimate veto,
that's our rule.

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date:         fri, 30 jun 2000 07:28:13 -0700
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maybe they have pitty on those that stand in the rain.
the same thing happened to me at the des moines show
in 1994.  we waiting in the rain for about 30-45
minutes, then got to come in the back door one at a
time to meet/get autographs.  it was great!

did anyone get a boot of this show?

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hey-- the other day my friend mentioned a b'ham ig show from around '94 or 95
at the city stages music festival-- does anyone know if this exists and if
there is a boot of it? even the smallest tid-bit of 411 would be
appreciated!! thanks y'all-- have a great day! --ashley

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date:         fri, 30 jun 2000 13:11:23 -0500
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i think i missed the girls but i'm not sure.
does anyone know what time they were on
in minnesota?  i just went to hob.com and
when i tried windows i didn't get anything.accept the screen with the
buttons
below.as for realplayer, they said the publisher
was too busy.  (i'm using webtv  which just started doing webcasts so
this is my first.)

peace
barb

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hi guys :) rose is playing tonight in chicago with allette brooks and ellen
rosner.. i've never heard ellen, but allette is wonderful :) (and if you want
an allette sampler, e-mail me  privately.)

here's the info:
---------------
sorry folks to tell you this now...

allette is playing a big show at the abbey pub in chicago tonight, june
30th at 9pm with rose polenzani and ellen rosner. its on 3420 w. grace st.
at elston and costs $5. allette will be first so get there promptly!

please come or send friends if you can.  because of lots of mix ups between
the clubs, promoters and the city laws, this show has been moved and
cancelled several times.  its all very last minute, so we really need
people to come out.

but its a great lineup, a great venue and should prove to be a fun night.
don't performers do their best under pressure?  see you there!

allette brooks, rhythmic folk singer-songwriter
http://www.allettebrooks.com
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:) lisa

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tune in now!  it's 3-5 eastern time.
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subject:      what is the url to log onto it????sparks
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this is a mime message. if you are reading this text, you may want to
consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to
properly handle mime multipart messages.

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what is the url to log onto it????sparks

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<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html><head>
<meta content=3d"text/html; charset=3diso-8859-1" http-equiv=3dcontent-type=
>
<meta content=3d"mshtml 5.00.2314.1000" name=3dgenerator></head>
<body style=3d"font: 10pt arial narrow; margin-left: 2px; margin-top: =
2px">what is=20
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try this:

<http://www.hob.com/console/console.asp?media=tm.intervu.net/template/smirro
r/ivtemplates/houseofblues/hob_000630summerfest2000g1_rm_128a.ram&artist=sum
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okay, so i cannot access it from this wonderful computer i have here at
work.  does anyone know how to record it?  i don't even know where you would
start.  but if you do know how, and you do it.  could you mail me a copy?
thanks.

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date:         fri, 30 jun 2000 14:49:43 -0500
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i can't copy it but the good news is they archive their concerts.  maybe you
can access it from somewhere else?

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from:         loralei riney <loralei.riney@bannerhealth.com>
subject:      well,
              it  is telling me i cant open the media player even tho i have
              downloaded it ...>argh!!!!!!!
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well, it  is telling me i cant open the media player even tho i have downloaded it ...>argh!!!!!!!

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date:         fri, 30 jun 2000 16:32:26 edt
reply-to:     hunterj1@aol.com
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from:         hunterj1@aol.com
subject:      re: summerfest :)
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hey, i got the show except for a few minor congestions...anybody get the
songs prior to shame on you?

the science is not perfect, that's for sure!

jude :)

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date:         fri, 30 jun 2000 15:34:07 -0500
reply-to:     barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
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from:         barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
subject:      i got it !!!!thanks people!!!
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everyone who reponded to my last post,to tell me the time they're on!
my first webcast,

i was twenty minutes late and webtv cut me off
a few times.  i'll let one of you do a setlist, i was
busy singing.

woweeeeeeeee!
barb

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date:         fri, 30 jun 2000 15:38:24 -0500
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subject:      web cast
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sparkie sitting here with a big ol sour look on her face casue she couldn't get any of it................it sucks.....

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date:         fri, 30 jun 2000 16:42:29 edt
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from:         adam black <annidas@aol.com>
subject:      webcast
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anyone with a good copy who would like to provide me with a seed of the
webcast (or any other good copy of any show) on cd, i'll burn 10 copies for
other people on the list.  (when i have the seed i'll post an offer to the
list)
adam

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date:         fri, 30 jun 2000 17:21:39 edt
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from:         duh pike <duhpike@aol.com>
subject:      did anyone tape summerfest?
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hi
i was unable to tape todays show, due to work. if anyone taped it and wants
to trade. please get in touch
thanks in advance
duh pike

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