lifeblood: listlogs: 2000-08a


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date:         mon, 31 jul 2000 17:00:16 -0700
reply-to:     amy swenson <amy_indigirl@yahoo.com>
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from:         amy swenson <amy_indigirl@yahoo.com>
subject:      ig & michelle in atlanta?
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anyone else heard about this?

october 28
atlanta, ga

the earth challenge concert for clean air centennial park
performers include indigo girls and michelle...so far!

this is from michelle malone's website.

???

t'would be cool if only i lived a little nearer to atlanta...

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date:         mon, 31 jul 2000 20:13:38 edt
reply-to:     ndgogrls@aol.com
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just as a note...is it just me or are people always bumping into
emily?...first vesper..then ashley....when i was back stage my friend mark
bumped into her...and all of these in the literal sense.  either ig fans are
clumsey...or emily is....just a thought..

carla :o)

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date:         mon, 31 jul 2000 20:34:06 edt
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in a message dated 7/31/00 5:30:48 pm pacific daylight time, ndgogrls@aol.com
writes:

> just as a note...is it just me or are people always bumping into
>  emily?...first vesper..then ashley....when i was back stage my friend mark
>  bumped into her...and all of these in the literal sense.  either ig fans
are
>  clumsey...or emily is....just a thought
she was talking into a cell phone and walking fast--very busy, kind of absent
-minded like....i think security was supposed to be keeping people out of her
way but weren't doing such a good job.

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date:         mon, 31 jul 2000 20:00:36 -0500
reply-to:     wilfred pennington <unclwil@midwest.net>
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from:         wilfred pennington <unclwil@midwest.net>
subject:      re: ig & michelle in atlanta?
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amy and emily mentioned this date during the pre-show interview in seattle,
i think. if they didn't have the exact date, they at least said october and
earth challenge concert.
michelle

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> from: amy swenson <amy_indigirl@yahoo.com>
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: ig & michelle in atlanta?
> date: monday, july 31, 2000 7:00 pm
>
> anyone else heard about this?
>
> october 28
> atlanta, ga
>
> the earth challenge concert for clean air centennial park
> performers include indigo girls and michelle...so far!
>
> this is from michelle malone's website.
>
> ???
>
> t'would be cool if only i lived a little nearer to atlanta...
>
> --amy
>
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date:         mon, 31 jul 2000 20:06:54 -0500
reply-to:     wilfred pennington <unclwil@midwest.net>
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from:         wilfred pennington <unclwil@midwest.net>
subject:      re: post-concert blues
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hey all,
        i totally know what you mean. the only concerts we made it to this summer
were the two iowa ig shows in june, but it was the best 3 days i've had in
a really long time. it was just perfect. my husband went with me and i
think it really helped him understand why i love the girls and they mean so
much to me, especially their live performances. he didn't hesitate to go,
and i knew he'd enjoy the concerts, but he really had a wonderful time and
i was actually surprised at how much he really loved it, too. it was really
nice to share something i love so much with him and have him enjoy it as
well.
        have your friends ever been to an ig show with you? i bet they'd like it
if they'd just relax and enjoy the music. it's not about any differences
members of the audience have, just a bunch of people having a really great
time together.
        and i'm still a little sad that my ig road trip is over and we've been
back for a month now : ( but it was great fun, i met wonderful people and
reading about the other shows on the list has been a hoot, so i don't feel
i'm totally missing out.
michelle
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> from: amy swenson <amy_indigirl@yahoo.com>
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: post-concert blues
> date: monday, july 31, 2000 4:35 pm
>
> hey gang -
>
> do ya'll get this? cause i totally have it today. compounded by my best
> friends and roommate completely making fun of me on saturday night and
> all day sunday for being so into these concerts. that's a real downer.
>
> what i'm wondering is if anyone else goes through the same sort of
> thing? cause ig concerts are, for me at least, this happy little world
> where the people are safe, and kind, and friendly, and probably the
> only place i go on a regular basis where i feel entirely in my element.
>
> i just did a perhaps not-so-smart thing and emailed my crappy friends
> (from saturday) and reamed them out for everything.
>
> i'm also not so thrilled with my roommate, who's known me since i was
> two, and who i've been out to for 2 years, for complainign on sunday
> morning, "oh great, i have to be surrounded by a bunch of lesbians." i
> mean, it was probably meant as a joke, but i am always surrounded by a
> "bunch of straight people." grrr. and we always have to go to straight
> clubs, parties and bars cause she doesn't want to be hit on.
>
> ok, i'm done venting. i just had to share so i have some hope of
> getting back to work and succeeding at something this afternoon. i'm
> just having one of those afternoons when i'm staring at my computer
> monitor, crying silently, and praying that no one has any reason to
> come back to my little corner cubicle.
>
> love,
> amy
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date:         mon, 31 jul 2000 20:48:03 -0500
reply-to:     wilfred pennington <unclwil@midwest.net>
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from:         wilfred pennington <unclwil@midwest.net>
subject:      lavendar mag on ebay
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my goodness, i just saw that a new issue of that lavendar magazine with ig
on the cover is on ebay and is up to like $46, with about 13 hours to go.
reading the article on the web was good enough for me : ) although i
thought the photos were quite nice...i don't really think they've been
captured like that before. really beautiful.
michelle

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date:         mon, 31 jul 2000 22:09:09 -0700
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subject:      re: indigo girls mentioned on aol ticker....
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this was on the aol ticker just in case any one was interested....it's =
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date:         mon, 31 jul 2000 22:58:27 edt
reply-to:     lisa071573@aol.com
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hey all.. there's a cool article on the council for secular humanism's
website (if you don't know who they are, they totally rock... the publish the
freethought journal free inquiry. it's basically humanism without the
religion... good stuff) anyway, here's the link to the article, titled why
the christian right is wrong about homosexuality.
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/exclusive/dorsman_07_00.htm

:) lisa

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date:         mon, 31 jul 2000 22:22:13 -0500
reply-to:     barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
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subject:      re: lavendar mag on ebay
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$46 bucks?  that's outrageous. especially
being it's a free publication.  if anythingthe money should be going to
lavendar to keep it going. but ebay?  that's totally absurd. i've got
two copies for nothing. it's not all that rare of a
mag either. if people really want it that badly, they can just write
lavendar as far as i'm concerned, i think they do keep back issues.

peace
barb

http://community.webtv.net/ritesofpassage9/foreverindigogirls

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date:         mon, 31 jul 2000 23:21:49 edt
reply-to:     lisa071573@aol.com
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from:         lisa r <lisa071573@aol.com>
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<< hmm - could this be a the starts of a michelle malone live album? that
would be very cool.

just thinking about the vonda song : it sounds like it could be "maryland",
which is an absolutely gorgeous song.  >>

john - it's maryland - thanks for the tip :) (one thing i like about
amazon.com is they have sound samples.. very useful for trying to figure out
random songs) oh and i seriously hope michelle will be putting out a live
album soon :) that 5-tracker is cool and all but i want more michelle...

amy - i know what you mean (about enjoying the concerts and being in your
element..) not that i ever completely feel like i'm in my element, but an ig
coincert comes pretty close :)

:) lisa

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date:         mon, 31 jul 2000 22:25:24 -0700
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wow lisa, you were right by me and katherine and gang.  we were also talking
to lisa with the crossword book and nancy with the michelle malone t-shirt.
and btw, that was my friend ngoc that had the camcorder. :)  i just got a
copy of it today and it turned out absolutely great.  i don't have 2 vcrs,
or else i'd offer it to the list, but maybe i can get ngoc to make a few
extra copies for the folks who were there...
i can't believe that bastard security guy took nancy's recorder!  for the
record, he also told ngoc she couldn't videotape, so for a while she just
used the camera to take still shots, then started recording again when a
different security guy came around.  but i swear, i think that guy was
enforcing nonexistant rules just so he could feel important.  he stood there
in our faces with this stern navy seal type look on his face like he's there
to keep all us crazed rambunctious indigo girls fans in line.  please.
and then at one point he looked around to a few of us and said "are you ok?
ok.  you're ok?  and you?"  i was like, what the hell is this guy's problem?
we're at a concert.  we're smiling.  we're happy.  of course we're ok, and
certainly not because of that bastard "keeping the peace".  oh well.  i was
just not happy having to see his scowling face while i was trying to watch
the girls.
just had to say that...
leslie

> standing next to two cool fans - one girl was also named lisa and she had
a
> crossword puzzle answer book she wanted to give to them and i kept yelling
> emily's name trying to get her attention so that lisa could give it to her
> but emily never looked our way. the other girl was wearing a michelle
malone
> t-shirt and was having lots of fun :) it was great. she was taping too and
> about halfway through the show security made her give them her recorder
and
> tape, which they gave back to her (the tape too) after the show.. that
really
> kinda pissed me off because there was a woman behind me who was filming
with
> a camcorder and there were no signs anywhere saying no recorders.. grr...
so
> i had to hide mine for the rest of the show (which i usually do anyway but
it
> just made me grumpy) anyway, i didn't bring my camera and i wish i had
since
> i was so close. amy looked really cute again and was wearing a semi-tight
> greenish tank top and a blue short-sleeved button-down shirt... :)

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date:         tue, 1 aug 2000 16:56:30 +1000
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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from:         sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
subject:      hob review
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hey folks,

here is the house of blues review that annamarie mentioned.
the url is
http://my.aol.com/entertainment/story.tmpl?table=n&cat=0307&id=0007300828543806

-sherlyn


---begin article---
earnestness pays off for indigo girls

reuters
jul 30 2000 8:28pm et

indigo girls (house of blues; 1,000 capacity, $35)

by steven mirkin

hollywood (variety) - although sarah mclachlan decided not
to organize a lilith fair tour this year, that hasn't
stopped the indigo girls from continuing the female-centric
festival's sense of community and sisterhood on their own
summer tour.

the first of the georgia duo's two shows at the house of
blues was marked by a warmth and generosity of spirit. it
could be felt in the set's two-hour length and in their
sharing the stage with guests vonda shepard, opening act
ms. fun (whose tiresome set proved she was clearly
misnamed), and even their tour bus driver, who sat in with
the band on an impressive bluesy encore.

the music embraced a wide range as well. in the last
decade, the indigo girls have moved beyond ardent folk of
their debut, adding elements of bluegrass, zydeco and soul
to the mix. on this tour, they've turned themselves into a
modern southern rock band.

the songs from ''come on now social'' sounded like a less
oblique r.e.m., as they mixed chunky '70s guitar sounds
with rustic touches supplied by mandolin, banjo and
accordion. and when the band stretched out songs such as
''compromise,'' it was possible to imagine amy ray and
emily saliers as a kind of allman sisters.

the crowd favorites were still the older songs such as
''power of two'' and ''closer to fine.'' but these were
the least interesting from a musical standpoint. when
saliers and ray, who played a variety of instruments, both
picked up acoustic guitars, they turned into a pair of
dewy-eyed junior counselors ready to lead the camp in an
earnest ''kumbyah'' at the drop of a hat.

but for the indigo girls, such earnestness is obviously a
virtue.

presented inhouse. band: amy ray, emily saliers, matt
brubeck, blair cunningham, clare kenny, carol kenny.
opened and reviewed july 27, 2000; closed july 28.

reuters/variety

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date:         tue, 1 aug 2000 08:55:20 +0100
reply-to:     marion_o'sullivan@health.irlgov.ie
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they also mention it on the backstage interview on the official website.  they
didn't say it was michelle, though, emily was talking about how she loved
atlanta, and then said how its become so built up, and how they're cutting down
so many trees, and then went on to say how this concert was being organised for
28th october - if only i didn't live on the other side of the atlantic - the
water is (indeed) wide!

fare thee well,
marion (who hasn't seen ig in concert since november 1994, and is still
surprisingly sane (sort of!)
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wilfred pennington <unclwil@midwest.net> on 01/08/2000 02:00:36

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subject:  re: ig & michelle in atlanta?

amy and emily mentioned this date during the pre-show interview in seattle,
i think. if they didn't have the exact date, they at least said october and
earth challenge concert.
michelle

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> from: amy swenson <amy_indigirl@yahoo.com>
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: ig & michelle in atlanta?
> date: monday, july 31, 2000 7:00 pm
>
> anyone else heard about this?
>
> october 28
> atlanta, ga
>
> the earth challenge concert for clean air centennial park
> performers include indigo girls and michelle...so far!
>
> this is from michelle malone's website.
>
> ???
>
> t'would be cool if only i lived a little nearer to atlanta...
>
> --amy
>
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date:         tue, 1 aug 2000 08:39:52 -0400
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hey y'all,

just updated that earth challenge date on my tour dates page and have a
feeling the hte & other dates will be upon us soon.  maybe they have a
little break now and can iron those fall dates out now.  but let me know if
you see anything - links, dates or whatever.  and random note: i read
national geographic and saw a little bit about kakadu since they were
talking about australia and such - so now i know where it is...  yeah for
me!!!

a+e=ig

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date:         tue, 1 aug 2000 09:00:14 -0400
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hi everyone:

i posted a couple of examples of my post-show blues last week
so i won't repeat myself. now, i'm seeing that this feeling is running
rampant amongst all of us.  we spend so much time planning and waiting for the
girls
to come, then it seems like it's over in 2 seconds.  and when we're there, it's
a
happy environment.  and i think it's more than just them.  i think it's meeting
so many other wonderful fans who love them as much as i do.

i wish there was a way to avoid these blues from happening at all.

amy, try to cheer up
cathy

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hey all! i know this topic of songs never heard live is past now,  but
im gonna chime in for a sec anyway! :) hope ya dont mind! keep in mind i
havent see em nearly as many times as most of you have, so im sure they
have played some of these live!

get together, 2cnd guess, hey jesus, hand me downs, watershed, (actions
will follow you) full circle round.....

im sure they have been played, i just wish i was able to see these ones,
and some more im sure! :) i would love for them to sing all of the songs
on of the full length cds in one grand concert live on tv and the web!
:) ok, i can pretend can't i?

here is the nigc stuff! many of you have heard me talk about the
amazing, unbelievable talented, superb musicians/ song writers red
letter day! their third full length cd 'beefcandy' is coming out in
three and 1/2 weeks!!!! even w/ those familar w/ them will be blow away
by this amazing disc!!the lyrics, the music, the composition, the raw
'live sound', and crazy mad combination of acoustic guitar and out of
the wold sax, w/ everything from haunting percussion, mezmoring beats,
and country swing, to out right rock and roll! this cd is reminicent of
emily stlye lryics and imagry, happy go lucky tunes, deep
thought-provoking tunes, rock out songs, a little bit o' country,
swing/jazz and...you name it!!! the girls are all about supporting local
or indi labels and artists, and these gals are two of the best in the
business and mostly known up and down the east coast!! to check out
amazing samples of some of the songs on the new cd (which can be
preordered from the web site and will prolly be on amazon.com,
cdbaby.com and ladyslipper again!) go to http://www.redletterday.com and
click on the song clip you wanna hear! here is the schedule for august
and beginning of sept! suzanna also does solo stuff - guitar-(it'll say
suzzanna, aj and players, or rld)  as well as aj - sax- playing with a
cover band consisting of professional maryland musicians, and of course
rld! :) you can also check out http://www.rldfans.com, which is the fan
site! if you go to pictures and then click on more pics, that whole page
is all my photos!!!

have a wonderful day all and sorry for the long post!!

august

thurs 3  babe's in richmond, va 8 p.m. (suzanna solo) 804-355-9330
fri 4  rt. 64 cafe in manteo, nc  9 p.m. (suzanna solo)  252-473-6081
sat 5 rt. 64 cafe in manteo, nc  5 p.m. (rld)  252-473-6081
wed 9 frogg pond in rehoboth, de 9 p.m. (aj players)
fri 11 uncle louie's in norfolk, va 9 p.m. (rld)  757-480-1225
sat 12 private party (rld)
fri 18  surfside deck in atlantic city, nj 10 p.m. (rld) 609-348-3310
sat 19 diamonz in bethlehem, pa  9 p.m. (rld) 610-865-1028
wed 23 frogg pond in rehoboth, de 9 p.m. (aj players)
fri 25 visions in durham, nc 9 p.m. (suzanna solo) 919-688-3002
sat 26 uncle louie's in norfolk, va  9 p.m. (suzanna solo)  757-480-1225

sat 26 rose and crown in lewes, de 9 p.m. (aj players)
tue 29 city of york,pa  cherry lane park, york, pa  11:30 am (suzanna
solo)
717-854-1587
thu 31 cleveland state university,  cleveland, oh  11:30 am

september

fri  1  rt. 64 cafe in manteo, nc  9 p.m. (rld)  252-473-6081
sat 2  rt. 64 cafe in manteo, nc  5 p.m. (rld)  252-473-6081

if you have any email changes or addresses to add please send your
message
to rldgirlz@redletterday.com care of my attention.
thanks so much!
kelly hager (personal assistant)

suzanna mallow
andrea jones
rldgirlz@redletterday.com
www.redletterday.com
concert line: 410-860-6962
www.rldfans.com


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hey all! i know this topic of songs never heard live is past now, 
but im gonna chime in for a sec anyway! :) hope ya dont mind! keep in mind
i havent see em nearly as many times as most of you have, so im sure they
have played some of these live!
<p>get together, 2cnd guess, hey jesus, hand me downs, watershed, (actions
will follow you) full circle round.....
<p>im sure they have been played, i just wish i was able to see these ones,
and some more im sure! :) i would love for them to sing all of the songs
on of the full length cds in one grand concert live on tv and the web!
:) ok, i can pretend can't i?
<p>here is the nigc stuff! many of you have heard me talk about the amazing,
unbelievable talented, superb musicians/ song writers red letter day! their
third full length cd 'beefcandy' is coming out in three and 1/2 weeks!!!!
even w/ those familar w/ them will be blow away by this amazing disc!!the
lyrics, the music, the composition, the raw 'live sound', and crazy mad
combination of acoustic guitar and out of the wold sax, w/ everything from
haunting percussion, mezmoring beats, and country swing, to out right rock
and roll! this cd is reminicent of emily stlye lryics and imagry, happy
go lucky tunes, deep thought-provoking tunes, rock out songs, a little
bit o' country, swing/jazz and...you name it!!! the girls are all about
supporting local or indi labels and artists, and these gals are two of
the best in the business and mostly known up and down the east coast!!
to check out amazing samples of some of the songs on the new cd (which
can be preordered from the web site and will prolly be on amazon.com, cdbaby.com
and ladyslipper again!) go to <a href="http://www.redletterday.com">http://www.redletterday.com</a> and click on
the song clip you wanna hear! here is the schedule for august and beginning
of sept! suzanna also does solo stuff - guitar-(it'll say suzzanna, aj
and players, or rld)  as well as aj - sax- playing with a cover band
consisting of professional maryland musicians, and of course rld! :) you
can also check out <a href="http://www.rldfans.com">http://www.rldfans.com</a>, which is the fan site! if you
go to pictures and then click on more pics, that whole page is all my photos!!!
<p>have a wonderful day all and sorry for the long post!!
<p><b>august</b><b></b>
<p><b>thurs 3  babe's in richmond, va 8 p.m. (suzanna solo) 804-355-9330</b>
<br><b>fri 4  rt. 64 cafe in manteo, nc  9 p.m. (suzanna solo) 
252-473-6081</b>
<br><b>sat 5 rt. 64 cafe in manteo, nc  5 p.m. (rld)  252-473-6081</b>
<br><b>wed 9 frogg pond in rehoboth, de 9 p.m. (aj players)</b>
<br><b>fri 11 uncle louie's in norfolk, va 9 p.m. (rld)  757-480-1225</b>
<br><b>sat 12 private party (rld)</b>
<br><b>fri 18  surfside deck in atlantic city, nj 10 p.m. (rld) 609-348-3310</b>
<br><b>sat 19 diamonz in bethlehem, pa  9 p.m. (rld) 610-865-1028</b>
<br><b>wed 23 frogg pond in rehoboth, de 9 p.m. (aj players)</b>
<br><b>fri 25 visions in durham, nc 9 p.m. (suzanna solo) 919-688-3002</b>
<br><b>sat 26 uncle louie's in norfolk, va  9 p.m. (suzanna solo) 
757-480-1225</b>
<br><b>sat 26 rose and crown in lewes, de 9 p.m. (aj players)</b>
<br><b>tue 29 city of york,pa  cherry lane park, york, pa  11:30
am (suzanna solo)</b>
<br><b>717-854-1587</b>
<br><b>thu 31 cleveland state university,  cleveland, oh  11:30
am</b><b></b>
<p><b>september</b><b></b>
<p><b>fri  1  rt. 64 cafe in manteo, nc  9 p.m. (rld) 
252-473-6081</b>
<br><b>sat 2  rt. 64 cafe in manteo, nc  5 p.m. (rld)  252-473-6081</b><b></b>
<p><b>if you have any email changes or addresses to add please send your
message</b>
<br><b>to rldgirlz@redletterday.com care of my attention.</b>
<br><b>thanks so much!</b>
<br><b>kelly hager (personal assistant)</b><b></b>
<p><b>suzanna mallow</b>
<br><b>andrea jones</b>
<br><b>rldgirlz@redletterday.com</b>
<br><b>www.redletterday.com</b>
<br><b>concert line: 410-860-6962</b>
<br><b>www.rldfans.com</b>
<br><b></b> 
<br><b></b> 
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i have a question on ebay. i bid on a cool book. every time i bid i was =
out bid by another...however i retracted my final bid and the high bid =
went back to the original amount....half of what the bid was allegedly up =
to. if i was being out-bid allegedly..then how the #*(& can it go back to =
the beginning bid?

sparkie the confused...

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subject:      re: nigc question on ebay
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well, once you retract your bid (don't do that too often, looks bad on
your profile when other people look atcha..), it's like you never bid in
the first place.. so the price goes back to what it would have been if you
had never bid..
-- sarah

on tue, 1 aug 2000, loralei riney wrote:

> i have a question on ebay. i bid on a cool book. every time i bid i was out bid by another...however i retracted my final bid and the high bid went back to the original amount....half of what the bid was allegedly up to. if i was being out-bid allegedly..then how the #*(& can it go back to the beginning bid?
>
> sparkie the confused...
>

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hey y'all,

i just realized that the cold beer remote control single, and dar williams'
new album, the green world, will be released on the same day -- 22 august!
wow!  what a great day for new music (and 2 days after my birthday.  hehe).
my other aol sceen name is indigodar, so as you can tell, i am quite excited
for the 22nd!  happy tuesday!

:-) karen

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i'm posting this to this list 'cuz the person who's holding this
house concert said it's ok to do so, and there are some michelle people
out there.  contact rob litowitz - rob.litowitz@finnegan.com - for more
info. i think he lives somewhere in the dc area/maryland or somewhere
around there.

elaine
---------------------------------

rob litowitz wrote:
>
> our last (and first outdoor) show drew rave reviews for setting and ambience.  so we're doing it again before the season ends:
>
> live at roxy's proudly presents:
>
> michelle malone
>
> friday, september 15
>
> 8:00 p.m.
>
> donation:  $12.00
>
> reservations:  202 408-4048 or return e mail
>
> please spread the word, and bring your friends.
>
> learn more about michelle @ www.michelemalone.com

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ok, when bidding on ebay, you have two choices...you can either bid the
minimum--for example, the flute i'm selling started at $25. the minimum bid
right now, since it got one already, is $26. if you were going to bid on
it, you could either bid that amount, or you could bid more. if you bid
$35, ebay will register your bid as $26 but will keep bidding for you until
you reach that maximum number of $35. this is called proxy bidding. this
way you can leave the computer for a few hours and be confident that you
won't lose out unless someone bids over the maximum amount you bid for. it
also means that you will pay the lowest price for the item you are bidding on.
  so, when you see that cool book you are talking about, and you bid on it,
and it says "sorry you've been outbid by another bidder" it means that they
set their maximum bid above what you bid. so, let's use the flute again.
you see that someone bid it up to $25 and that's cheap for a flute! so, you
bid 26. however, that person has set their maximum bid higher than that.
you can either keep bidding up or you can just move on. there is no need to
retract your bid. you should only retract your bid if you are the highest
bidder and you don't want the item, and that's an emergency case. if you
were outbid by a proxy bid, it doesn't matter whether or not you retract
your bid.
if this doesn't help, e-mail me and i'll try again.
i really am selling stuff on ebay...
peace
sharon

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>   & can it go back to the beginning  bid?   sparkie the confused...

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what is the address where i can look at this article
and pics?

__________________________________________________
do you yahoo!?
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and yes this is from me im just fowarding it from a copy of mine i sent to
another list its all real if you need to find where antispy is let me know
and ill direct you to it
and yes i really am  a+ certified

at 01:06 am 8/1/00 -0400, you wrote:
>
>and trust me this is no bs i am a + certified
>if you have these files you will want to get antispy.exe to remove them
>the following is a listing of all software known to install the aureate
>spy on your system. the aureate spy keeps track of your internet
>activities and sends a report to aureate every time you open your
>browser. the aureate spy places the following files on a windows
>machine. [it is not known, yet, to affect macintosh or linux machines.]
>> the installed files are some or all of:
>> adimage.dll
>> advert.dll
>> advpack.dll
>> amcis.dll
>> amcis2.dll
>> amcompat.tlb
>> amstream.dll
>> anadsc.ocx
>> anadscb.ocx
>> htmdeng.exe
>> ipcclient.dll
>> msipcsv.exe
>> tfde.dll
>>
>> here is a review of the contents and
>> code contained in the dll's that aureate makes use of. here are a
>> few of my findings up to this point:
>>
>> advert.dll
>> =======
>>
>> this dll creates a hidden window every time you open your browser. it
>> creates and sends 4 pages of information to the aureate servers using
>> port 1749 on your system, these pages include:
>>
>> 1. your name as listed in the system registry ( not the name you
>> installed one of the programs with )
>> 2. your ip address
>> 3. the reverse dns match of your address. ( tells them what isp and
>> area of country you are in )
>> 4. a listing of all software that is shown in your registry as being
>> installed. ( not just the companies they work with )
>> 5. this dll sends the following information to their server on all
>> url's you visit:
>> a.) ad banners you may click on
>> b.) all downloads you do showing the filename/file
>> size/date/time/type of file(image, zip,executable, etc)
>> c.) full time and date stamps of all your actions while
>> using your
>> browser
>> d.) the remote dialup number you are dialing in on (taken out of
>> your dialer configuration)
>> e.) dialup password if saved, does not "appear" at first glance
>> to send this through to them.
>> 6. contains programmers note: "show me the money! i want to
>> be mike!"
>>
>>
>> advpack.dll
>> =========
>>
>> used during the installation only to check for other needed files.
>> amcis.dll
>> =======
>>
>> this dll modifies the following registry keys:
>> 1. hkey_current_config
>> 2. hkey_dyn_data
>> 3. hkey_performance_data
>> 4. hkey_users
>> 5. hkey_local_machine
>> 6. hkey_current_user
>> 7. hkey_classes_root
>>
>> unregisterss oleaut32.dll from memory as provided by m$oft and
>> replaces with its own calls. switches back to m$oft's when browser is
>> closed. creates stub processes to be started anytime your browser is
>> opened.
>>
>>
>> amcompat.tlb
>> ===========
>>
>> this guy tracks any multimedia clips ( video/pictures/sound ) that
>> you view it tracks the rating level on the video/picture/sound and
>> title / location contains references to dblclick ( still digging on
>> this one! )
>>
>>
>> amstream.dll
>> ==========
>>
>> setups two way communications between your system and theirs.
>> used to send info and receive update commands/files
>> open port 1749 for communications

>>
>> ==================================================
>>
>> the programs that are known to install the aureate spy are:
>>
>> 123search
>> 3d anarchy
>> 3d-ftp
>> 3rd block
>> abe's ftp client
>> abe's image viewer
>> abe's mp3 finder
>> abe's picture finder
>> abe's smb client
>> access diver iii
>> acorn email
>> acqurl
>> actionoutline light 1.6
>> active 'net
>> add url
>> add/remove plus!
>> address rover 98
>> admiral virusscanner
>> advanced call center
>> advanced maillist verify
>> adwizard
>> alive and kicking
>> alphascape quickpaste
>> asp1-a3
>> auction explorer
>> aureate group mail
>> aureate spamkiller
>> autoftp pro
>> autoweb
>> axelcd
>> beatle
>> binary boy
>> binaryvortex
>> blue engine
>> booksmith : original
>> buddyphone 2
>> calypso e-mail
>> camgrab
>> capture express 2000
>> cascoly screensaver
>> cddb-reader
>> cdmaster32
>> chanstat
>> charity banner
>> cheat machine
>> check4new
>> chinmail
>> clabra clipboard viewer
>> classic peg solitaire
>> comtry music downloader
>> crystal ftp
>> cse html validator lite
>> cuteftp 3.0
>> cuteftp 3.0
>> cuteftp/tripod
>> cutemx
>> cutepage
>> danzig pref engine
>> datetime
>> delphi component test
>> delphi tester
>> dialer 2000
>> digiband newswatch
>> digicams - the webcam viewer
>> digital postman
>> directupdate
>> dl-mail pro 2000
>> dnscape
>> doorbell 1.18
>> download minder 1.5
>> download wonder
>> downloader v.1.1
>> dwyco video conferencing
>> easyseeker
>> emmasoft chatcat
>> emmasoft dbrow
>> emmasoft keeplan
>> emmasoft soundz
>> envoymail
>> ez-forms free
>> file mag-net
>> filesplit
>> folder guard jr.
>> fourtimes
>> free picture harvester
>> free solitaire
>> free spades
>> free submitter pro
>> freeimageeditor
>> freeirc
>> freenotepad
>> freesite
>> freewebbrowser
>> freewebmail
>> freezip!
>> ftpeditor
>> getright
>> go!zilla
>> go!zilla webattack
>> governmail
>> grafula
>> gunther's passwordsentry
>> hangweb
>> hesci private label
>> html translator
>> http proxy-spy
>> huey v1.8 color picker
>> iban technologies ip tools 3.1
>> idyle gimmip
>> idyle gimmip
>> ifind graphics
>> imagen
>> infinite patience
>> infoblast
>> innovaclub
>> installzip
>> internet tree
>> internetrix
>> interwebword companion
>> jetcar
>> jfk research
>> jirc
>> joc email checker
>> joc web finder
>> joc web spider
>> kvt diplom
>> laplink ftp
>> linesoft download
>> lol chat
>> lol chat
>> mail them
>> meracl fontmap
>> meracl imagemap generator
>> midnight oil solitaire
>> mirnik internet finder
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date:         tue, 1 aug 2000 16:59:47 -0700
reply-to:     detective munch <box.lunch@excite.com>
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has anyone seen this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=394993894

it's a "promo" called out all night.
it's currently going for over $150.
is this a legit promo (couldn't find it on any discog), or
is someone trying to make a fast buck with a cdr and color inserts?

has anyone heard of this cd?

-det. munch

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date:         tue, 1 aug 2000 20:00:42 edt
reply-to:     accoats@aol.com
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ok-- the other day i told you about me best friend sarah and our concert
stories--we'll be on the road again soon :) it just so happens that ani is
playing in atl on her birthday in september. the girls are playing the
benefit in atl on my birthday....and in november dar is plaing in atl! sounds
like a great way to kick off fall! i am very very excited! are any of y'all
headed to these shows?

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date:         tue, 1 aug 2000 20:09:39 edt
reply-to:     hunterj1@aol.com
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subject:      ig lavendar mag pic...anybody?
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if anyone wants a copy of the ig cover pic in lavenda magazine, i have a bmp
file i can send if you can get attachments to your email.

jude :)

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date:         tue, 1 aug 2000 21:23:12 -0400
reply-to:     elaine bean <efbean@erols.com>
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i turn to the list for help again!  remember a while back, there was
someone on the list, i don't remember who, but she made this wonderful
wallpaper out of some pictures of amy and that little black tanktop she
wore last year when they appeared at the newport folk festival.  well,
please send it my way if anyone has it!  i somehow got rid of it, and i
don't know what the hell i did, but it's gone!  it's my favorite.
please help!

elaine

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date:         tue, 1 aug 2000 21:51:53 -0400
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hi folks,

once again...

please delete all unnecessary text when replying to posts.  this will
help to cut down on bandwidth.

thank you.

jen lucero
ig list owner

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date:         tue, 1 aug 2000 22:23:34 edt
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this was taken from the earth challenge website.   there are no more details
available at this time, but i'm sure they'll update it as soon as they get
more.

=)
lisa

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on october 28, 2000 in atlanta, earth challenge plans a free all day
solar-powered concert / festival which will take place at centennial olympic
park, located in the heart of the city. the georgia clean energy / clean air
festival will feature indigo girls, michelle malone, and other local artists,
environmental speakers, and legislators. local and national environmental
organizations working on energy and conservation issues will also be present
at the event. each group will provide displays/information as well as
opportunities for attendees to engage in future work. the event will serve as
a "call to action", creating a forum for both education and involvement.
earth challenge will also coordinate with local bicycling organizations,
shops, and campaigns to organize rides to the event. the rides will serve to
promote clean transportation and to generate awareness of the need for
solutions. the event will provide enough information and inspiration for
people to understand their power and responsibility as consumers in
contributing towards the goal of cleaner air and sustainable energy both in
georgia and throughout the nation.

earth challenge is a not-for-profit organization created to inspire people to
become active in improving environmental health through individual and
community empowerment. through endurance events, such as "shifting gears,"
earth challenge generates financial support, raises awareness, and inspires
action to serve communities presently working to protect the environment and
their communities.

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date:         tue, 1 aug 2000 22:28:59 -0400
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$150 ?   ouch!
all of these songs are readily available from listserv members, etc.
not to mention that a few of those tracks are commercially available, which
makes that sale illegal.

brian
web site:  http://brianclary.com
email :  brianclary@mindspring.com
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> has anyone seen this?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=394993894
>
> it's a "promo" called out all night.
> it's currently going for over $150.
> is this a legit promo (couldn't find it on any discog), or
> is someone trying to make a fast buck with a cdr and color inserts?
>
> has anyone heard of this cd?
>
> -det. munch
>
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>
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=394993894
> >
> > it's a "promo" called out all night.
> > it's currently going for over $150.
> > is this a legit promo (couldn't find it on any discog), or
> > is someone trying to make a fast buck with a cdr and color inserts?

i emailed the girl, this is what she said:

"hi, i'm having a hard time locating this particular cd's origin. it was
among a few thousand cds i purchased from a radio station i worked for during
it's closing after it was sold and the new owners changed the format. it's a
sony music label, not epic. all it says is "sony music promotional use only
- not labeled for retail sale". and that is the circular print on the cd
itself. there is a sony music symbol along with a barcode on the back. i
have been told by one of the bidders that this is more than likely a
professional import promo. who knows. i'm sorry i don't have anymore info
on this...... thanks, "

brandon

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date:         wed, 2 aug 2000 08:25:49 -0700
reply-to:     amy swenson <amy_indigirl@yahoo.com>
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hey gang -

just a reminder that list t-shirts can be ordered through
http://www.indigirl.com/order.html.

i've already received orders for 124 shirts, 58 or which are already
paid for! please remember that i'll need your order - and payment - by
august 15!

in addition to paying by check, you can pay by paypal. this is really
cool, cause if you're a new customer, you actually get a $5 credit,
which makes your shirt price a lot cheaper! :)

to sign up:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=amy%40indigirl.com

if you've already placed an order and indicated you'll be paying by
check, it's perfectly alright to submit your payment by paypal. it'll
save you a stamp, and generally makes my life a bunch easier. :)

any questions? let me know!

take care,
amy

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date:         wed, 2 aug 2000 15:37:49 gmt
reply-to:     traci drago <n_d_go@hotmail.com>
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hey all,

i am going on vacation, leaving friday 4th, so it pains me to do this, but i
must unsubscribe for a week, my email just won't hold all of the messages.
i hope i don't miss much.  i know i will though.  also, anyone who has a
trade for me on the sioux falls boot, can you please wait to mail anything
you haven't mailed yet until august 14th, thanks i really appreciate it.

i will miss all of the ig talk.........

traci

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date:         wed, 2 aug 2000 12:23:14 -0400
reply-to:     cara klein <cara.klein@interpath.net>
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hey all! i hope everyone is having a great day! i have posted a little
news bit for the purpose of askin if anyone knows if the girls have done
anything similar to this previously? if not, i thought this was an
awsome idea, esp for those who arent online or who are and just do not
know about lists like this! i know many here do a wonderful job w/
boots, and this would be an awsome complimenting idea! i wonder if
theres a way to find out if the girls could do this, if they haven't
already! anyway, thanks for listenin!

cara

pearl jam bootlegs set for release

           los angeles (billboard) - pearl jam has finalized the release
dates for 25 authorized live
           bootlegs from its recent european tour. the two-cd sets will
be available to order beginning sept.
           5 via the band's fan club, and will appear sept. 19 in retail
stores. many details - including under
           what imprint the albums will be distributed, and whether
retail stores will be stocking every show -
           are still a bit sketchy, but posts on pearl jam's official
web site have suggested that the sets will
           retail for as low as $10.98. all 25 concerts were recorded to
multi-track tape and mixed by the
           band's sound engineer, brett eliason. excluded is the band's
june 30 set at the roskilde festival in
           copenhagen, during which nine fans died. the final two shows
of the tour in brussels, belgium, and
           rotterdam, netherlands, were subsequently canceled. pearl
jam's north american tour in support
           of "binaural," its sixth studio album for epic, kicks off
thursday in virginia beach, va.

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reply-to:     hippybear@bigfoot.com
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cara klein wrote:
>
> hey all! i hope everyone is having a great day! i have posted a little
> news bit for the purpose of askin if anyone knows if the girls have done
> anything similar to this previously? if not, i thought this was an
> awsome idea, esp for those who arent online or who are and just do not
> know about lists like this!

this is the first time any band has done anything like this.  the
grateful dead has released some authorized "bootlegs", but never an
entire tour before.  pearl jam is doing this because they have a
relationship with their fans that extends far beyond the typical band.
their fan club (which is only $10/year) offers premium seating for
concerts, offers exclusive singles every xmas (last kiss started out as
such a single), and they have one of the best online communication
websites for fan support and community building that i've ever seen.
they've constantly stated that they are here to make good music, and
that the fans are what keeps them going.

while i'm thrilled with www.indigogirls.com and what it offers, check
out http://www.sonymusic.com/artists/pearljam/ , where the depth and
scope of what they're offering boggles the mind.

-graham
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date:         wed, 2 aug 2000 13:36:03 -0400
reply-to:     michael cunningham <mcunningham@pbp1.com>
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pearl jam is doing this because they have a relationship with their fans
that extends far beyond the typical band.  their fan club (which is only
$10/year) offers premium seating for concerts
----snip----

sorry for the nigc, but another illustration of the amazing fan perks you
get from the fan club for pearl jam - depending on your seniority in the fan
club, you get the best seats in the house.  not just 200's or 100's, but the
fan who i talked to recently has been to 20+ shows w/ fan club tix's and has
never had worse than 15th row.  that's worse than - meaning 7th/8th row
could theoretically be an average show for them.  in any case, i got
someone's tix for the charlotte show (anyone going?) and it's a 7th row
seat.  i purchased (tm) two for the atlanta show (anyone going?) and it's
behind the stage.  just a small difference there...

anyway, igc:
i love the indigo girls!

mcunningham5@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~mcunningham5/indigotour.html
"...what a blessed sky"

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date:         wed, 2 aug 2000 12:49:42 -0500
reply-to:     "kovacs, mirinda" <mirinda.kovacs@westgroup.com>
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their fan club (which is only
$10/year) offers premium seating for concerts
----snip----

i was just wondering, i am not a member of the official ig fan club, does ig
fan club do anything like that?  i am curious what are the benefits to being
a member of a fan club?  specifically the ig fan club.  any info would be
appreciated.  thanks!
-mi rinda

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date:         wed, 2 aug 2000 13:32:16 -0500
reply-to:     barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
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from:         barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
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anybody who lives in philadelphia, ci'm trying to contact mayor ed
rendell at his email. do you have an addy for him?  thanks for your
time.

peace
barb

http://community.webtv.net/ritesofpassage9/foreverindigogirls

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hey guys.. if you could add a song to the girl's retrospective album.. what
would you add? i find it interesting that hammer and a nail and touch me fall
werent included.. considereing they were both singles.. anyways, if i were to
add one song by the girls to retrospective that didnt make it, i think i
would be... hmm
crazy game

here is the track listing for radio box: a retrospective:

1. "strange fire"
2. "closer to fine"
3. "kid fears"
4. watershed"
5. "three hits"
6. "galileo"
7. "ghost"
8. "reunion"
9. "power of two"
10. "least complicated"
11. "shame on you"
12. "get out the map"
13. "go"
14. "trouble"
15. "devotion"
16. "leaving"

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rtsimantel@aol.com wrote:
>
> hey guys.. if you could add a song to the girl's retrospective album.. what
> would you add?

fugitive, nashville, prince of darkness, secure yourself, pushing the
needle too far, world falls, ain't no way to treat a friend, shed your
skin  . . .

any of the above

this is too hard to pick.  i'm glad this is only "make pretend."

elaine

> here is the track listing for radio box: a retrospective:
>
> 1. "strange fire"
> 2. "closer to fine"
> 3. "kid fears"
> 4. watershed"
> 5. "three hits"
> 6. "galileo"
> 7. "ghost"
> 8. "reunion"
> 9. "power of two"
> 10. "least complicated"
> 11. "shame on you"
> 12. "get out the map"
> 13. "go"
> 14. "trouble"
> 15. "devotion"
> 16. "leaving"
>

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one song?  just one?  or, maybe, one for a-one for e?

amy - boys just laugh
emily - leeds

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i'd like info on the ig fan club.  also where to send the money!

brandon

>   i am curious what are the benefits to being
>a member of a fan club?  specifically the ig fan club.  any info would be
>appreciated.  thanks!

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hey y'all,

i was just wondering if there is any word on opening acts for the 4 show
acoustic duo tour.  i am going to the cleveland show.  and i looked at
musi-cal and it said that spearhead would be in ny around the middle of
august.  i'm wondering if spearhead's gonna open up the albany show.  if so,
i may consider driving out to albany to see a friend and catch ig and
spearhead.

thanks, y'all!

:-) karen

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<< looking for wallpaper >>

hey elaine - i was just crusing the web the other day looking for pics to
include in my tapeliners and found some very nice pics of amy in her tank top
on lisa's page of pics :)

on the 99 folk fest page are some good pics (and you can right-click to save
the pic as wallpaper).

lisa's page comes in handy when i'm trying to make my tapeliners look cool :)
http://members.aol.com/memememi/indigogirls.html

:) lisa (who promises she'll post about hob #2 and the fat fry boots very
soon..)

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the last time i heard about the so-called "indigo girls fan club" it
wasn't much....just a little card
you got in the mail with a bunch of concert dates and merchandise.  i
was very dissappointed. no kits, or any of the usual
perks that come along with being in a fan club.
i wrote russell carter at the time, stating the
"fan club" listed on the back of their albums
resembled a "merchandising outlet" than a fan club. but all that was
five years ago, so contact russell  and see if you find anything.

peace
barb

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okay, i had a kind soul burn some discs for me and i am trying to repay her.
the only problem is i lost the website for cover art.  i am especially
looking for er 1 & 3.  if anyone can help with this please send me the url.
thanks so much!
-mi rinda

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on wed, 2 aug 2000, barbara bordner wrote:

> the last time i heard about the so-called "indigo girls fan club" it
> wasn't much....just a little card
> you got in the mail with a bunch of concert dates and merchandise.  i
> was very dissappointed. no kits, or any of the usual
> perks that come along with being in a fan club.
> i wrote russell carter at the time, stating the
> "fan club" listed on the back of their albums
> resembled a "merchandising outlet" than a fan club. but all that was
> five years ago, so contact russell  and see if you find anything.
>
in fact, the "fan club" has degenerated into even less than a little card
you get in the mail. i believe the last one of those i got was in '97, if
i'm not mistaken. i guess they figure that everyone and their dog is
connected to the internet and what with the fantastic
indigogirlsdirect.com, who needs to waste money on advertising the
merchandise? this list is the best fan club you'll find, with the best
info too.

that's my $.02.
amy m.

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to the best of my knowledge, there isn't really an ig fan club like
there used to be.  in fact, i've not seen one advertised in years, of
any sort.

i wish more bands did what pearl jam does -- provide their fan with an
opportunity to interact uniquely with the band through the fan club.
when i was young, i joined a few "fan clubs" (embarassingly enough, abba
and barry manilow were two of them), and the abba club was a huge
disappointment.  barry manilow, however, did offer premium seating for
his concerts, even going so far as to do pre- or post-concert
get-togethers with club members, with barry present for autographs and
chitchat and such.

in my experience, pj's club is unique, and comes about as the result of
their basically grassroots beginnings in the seattle area, coupled with
the really hard work of a few specific individuals who keep the whole
thing running.

were ig to even endeavor to do such a thing, it would require the
cooperation of rcam, the girls themselves, epic, and probably would
require at least 3 individuals who were well trusted by all these
orginazations to keep on top of things and make sure nothing happened
that was out-of-line with the overall vision of ig and their interest in
their fans.  the pj website, alone, takes the very dedicated efforts of
at least two people that i know of, with updates happening nearly daily
sometimes.  but, the bonus is, the lines of communication are open so
clearly that rumors get dispelled before they get out of hand, questions
can actually get asked and answered, advance info on anything the band
does can be readily found...

and there's whole cool sections of the website dedicated to fan
art/poetry/etc, and concert reviews (complete with photos from
camera-ready fans), a section which has a kind of "indigo moment" sort
of flavor, only focussed on pj...

hello???  rcam???  ig???  let's see you do this!

"amy m." wrote:

> in fact, the "fan club" has degenerated into even less than a little card
> you get in the mail. i believe the last one of those i got was in '97, if
> i'm not mistaken. i guess they figure that everyone and their dog is
> connected to the internet and what with the fantastic
> indigogirlsdirect.com, who needs to waste money on advertising the
> merchandise? this list is the best fan club you'll find, with the best
> info too.

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john steele is the mayor i think.
mike reynolds
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"..let me speak the word that precedes bliss"
-tracy chapman

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can't confirm albany - but they are in mass the next night - spearhead i
mean


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ah, yeah, but you know it's kind of a bummer for those with no access to
a computer or internet, which makes interrest in the girls next to
impossible for lower-income people.

(yeah, i know some artists charge more than ig at shows, but i have a
friend who can't go see the girls, he can't even afford a seven dollar
show, at the local coffeehouse. but he likes the girls too and would
love to go buy the cd's and go to shows but it's just not possible for
him.)

i eat up $159.00 every six months just for access to the
internet......it's do-able but ouch!
i pay in more ways than you know just so that i
could do this list in my own place.

i'm lucky that i can make a go of things.  and this list is wonderful,
and a lot of fun. i wish the
internet was available to everybody though.

peace
barb

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my internet price is sky-high because, i'm using webtv. i am working on
getting a computer though. until then (sigh) one can only wish.

peace
barb

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hello everyone!

just to let you all know that the ig show is now being listed as 6:30, not
7:30.  i'm going to try to find out today what the deal is.

kelly

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"blood and fire", because it is quintessential early
amy
"chickenman" with some soc cause it is quintessential
middle amy
"faye tucker" because it's quintessential late amy and
really shows off their activism.
"philosphy of loss" because it's a beautiful,
beautiful song of emily's and the only other one
besides "ghost" that touches my heart quite as deeply.

elisanne


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hey, all,
i have another question about some dubious indigo girls-related ebay items:

the titles are indigo girls demos, covers & rarities on cd i
and indigo girls demos, covers & rarities on cd ii

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=397818353
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=397823228

where specifically in ebay should this seller be reported? i know ebay has a
policy about *not* selling bootlegs/cdrs, etc., but i am unable to find it.
does anyone have experience reporting fraudulent sellers? i'd like to see
this gal/guy get booted (or maybe spanked ;) )

oh, and if you have a chance, scroll through this person's feedback -
strange!

thanks,

-munch

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there were two copies of these "rarities" that showed
up on yahoo auctions.  had some of the same stuff, but
also had all of the things on the cold beer and remote
control promo, including the interviews.  i wrote the
seller asking what this was, a cdr or boot or what?
i also said that part of what he was listing was part
of the promo and told him/her that since it was so
hard to get hold of, i was really interested in it.
(not!) the seller never answered.  same person?  got
me...but it looked really off to me, same as this does
on ebay.  btw, you're right, the feedback is bizarre.

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thank you to everyone who sent me the "infringement" links. i've reported
the seller.  if anyone else wants to as well, it might help reinforce the
message
that selling ig boots is a bad thing (spank!).

-munch

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i highly doubt anyone has any of these yet, but are there any mp3s
available yet for the two new songs that are going to be on the
retrospective? in particular, it would be *great* to get a copy of
"leaving", or whatever that's called. the emily one. the really cool
emily one.

love,
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detective munch,
do let us know if you ever find out anything about this okay?


the titles are indigo girls demos, covers & rarities on cd i
and indigo girls demos, covers & rarities on cd ii

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=397818353
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=397823228

where specifically in ebay should this seller be reported? i know ebay has a
policy about *not* selling bootlegs/cdrs, etc., but i am unable to find it.

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hey kind friends!  just wondering if anyone had a boot of this early may =
show from this year that i could trade something for.  please email me =
privately - i have lots to trade.  good day to all and have a happy =
thursday!

peace,
joey

what's up t!

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you know it really gets me sometimes, how sellers on ebay try to
convince us their ig cdr's " rare." what do they think their customers
are stupid or something? you'd think
they could come up with something more
original  i already found the so-called "rare"
cdr 'days of wine and roses,' for about  $7
at root cellar records! and several times it has shown up on ebay as one
of the "rare ig items"

peace
barb.

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hey guys! thought i'd pass this along-- from the emory university website.
here's the snip--

****the indigo girls, performance and commentary. reconciliation
theme.woodruff pe center. 8:00 p.m.

i'll deff. be there!! y'all have a great day! --ash

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i repeat amy's request -- does anyone have an mp3 for either (or both!) of
the new songs?  i've checked napster many times -- can't find much of
anything.

also, as far as the cdr's on ebay go, i once saw someone selling some cdr of
a boot i had which i traded!  let me just repeat it -- if you see it for a
lot of money on ebay, chances are that a listee will have it and be willing
to trade it for free.  :-)

:-) karen

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i can only trade grateful dead or send blanks, but i would dearly love to get
some ig boots.  i have blank cd's on hand, and will treat them with love!  i
have sent off for the sioux falls show (thanks traci!)  but would love
anything else (a good acoustic show sould be sweet!)  ms. tara lane? could
you hook me up? any help appreciated.
adam

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well then what is the difference between a real
boot and a copy, and how can one tell them apart? this has eating me for
some time awahile ago someone went on the list wanted to sell aboot ,
we jump all over ebay for selling boots,but then i told another listee
we don't sell boots on this list, and i got jumped on. what'  does that
say here......that it;s not okay for someone else to sell a boot, but
is okay for us? isn't that double speak?  i just don't undestand that at
all to me, a boot is a boot copy or not, and either we should sell boots
or we shouldn't.  right?

either way the money is still not going to the girls,  even if the boot
is really authentic. regardless of amy ad emily's stance, it's still
making money off them isn't it? may not be thousands of dollars worth
but it's still seling boots.  or am i missing something? i'm confused.

peace
barb

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how to be a good republican:

1. you have to believe that the nation's current 8-year prosperity
was due to the work of ronald reagan and george bush, but yesterday's
gasoline prices are all clinton's fault.

2. you have to believe that those privileged from birth achieve success
all on their own.

3. you have to be against all government programs, but expect social
security checks on time.

4. you have to believe that someone like michelle pfeiffer can really walk
into an inner city classroom and accomplish miracles.

5. aids victims deserve their disease, but smokers with lung cancer and
overweight individuals with heart disease don't deserve theirs.

6. you have to appreciate the power rush that comes with sporting a gun.

7. you have to believe...everything rush limbaugh says.

8. you have to believe that the agricultural, restaurant, housing and
hotel industries can survive without immigrant labor.

9. you have to believe god hates homosexuality, but loves the death
penalty.

10. you have to believe society is colorblind and growing up black in
america doesn't diminish your opportunities, but you still won't vote for alan
keyes.

11. you have to believe that pollution is ok as long as it makes a profit.

12. you have to believe in prayer in schools, as long as you don't pray to
allah or buddha.

13. you have to believe newt gingrich and henry hyde were really faithful
husbands.

14. you have to believe speaking a few spanish phrases makes you instantly
popular in the barrio.

15. you have to believe that only your own teenagers are still virgins.

16. you have to be against government interference in business, until your
oil company, corporation or savings and loan is about to go broke and you
beg for a government bail out.

17. you love jesus and jesus loves you and, by the way, jesus shares your
hate for aids victims, homosexuals, and president clinton.

18. you have to believe government has nothing to do with providing police
protection, national defense, and building roads.

19. you have to believe a poor, minority student with a disciplinary
history and failing grades will be admitted into an elite private school
with a $1,000 voucher.

20. you only wanted elian gonzalez to stay in order to peeve the
president.

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someone on here asked for this info.....here's what i found.....

protesters imprisoned in philadelphia face brutal treatment, physical assault

by r2k legal

hundreds of nonviolent protesters arrested during tuesday and wednesday's
protests are reporting inhumane conditions in custody and physical
brutality from authorities, according to members of the r2k legal
collective. r2k legal is a collective of lawyers and paralegals providing
legal support to protesters.

over 300 arrests had been reported as of wednesday night. as the evening
wore on,
protesters began to be arraigned one by one. bail for protesters not giving
their names was set
at unprecedented levels -- between $15,000 and $450,000. "to my knowledge,
bail has never
been set so high for misdemeanor charges in the history of this country,"
said ron mcguire, an
attorney working with r2k legal.

"i consider this a civil rights catastrophe of the first order," mcguire
added.

on tuesday night, female protesters being held in the police administration
building, commonly
called the roundhouse, reported seeing guards drag a male protester past
their cell. the male
was naked except for a pair of boxer shorts, which were down around his
knees."he was
screaming in pain," said a female protester in custody who asked not to be
identified for fear of
retaliation from authorities. "his back was badly bruised, he was bleeding
from shoulder to
wrist, and his fingers were blue."

reports of physical brutality towards the men in the roundhouse continued
on wednesday
night. according to reports from within the prison, guards handcuffed and
recuffed male
protesters so tightly that the men were howling "stop the torture" loudly
enough for the women
down the hall to hear.

one protester, who gave his name only as jack, phoned r2k legal from
custody early
thursday morning to report that his ear had been nearly torn off by an
officer's baton during
arrest. jack had been taken to a nearby hospital to have his ear stitched
back onto his head, he
said.

"sadly, this kind of abuse is not unusual," said sara marcus, a
philadelphia resident and
member of r2k legal. "the abuse protesters are facing on the streets and in
jail is
representative of the very issues they were protesting about on tuesday --
police brutality and
human rights abuses in prison."

"if you believe this treatment is unjust, let the authorities know how you
feel," urged brian
petruska, another r2k legal member. the list of people to call includes
philadelphia mayor
john street, deputy commissioner ____ mitchell, head of civil affairs
captain ____ fisher,
district attorney lynn abraham, and police commissioner timoney. petruska
added, "when
you call, express your concern over treatment of protesters in custody, and
register your support
for the demands of those arrested."

protesters in custody are demanding the return of the dozen or so comrades
in isolation,
immediate attention to medical issues in jail, reduction or dismissal of
all charges, and equal
treatment for all arrested.

how to support jailed activists by phone.

  mayor street…………………………………215-686-2181
  stefanie stuber mayor chief of staff………..215-686-7508
  councilman nutter………………………….. 215-685-3416
  councilman blackwell……………………….215-685-3418
  the roundhouse jail…………………………215-686-1776, 215-685-8574
  chief maxwell - head of detectives and criminal investigation 215-686-3362
  deputy commissioner mitchell - in charge of demonstration 215-686-3364
  captain fisher - civil affairs 215-685-3684

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in a message dated 8/3/00 10:17:11 pm eastern daylight time,
ritesofpassage9@webtv.net writes:

<< well then what is the difference between a real
boot and a copy, and how can one tell them apart? this has eating me for
some time awahile ago someone went on the list wanted to sell aboot ,
we jump all over ebay for selling boots,but then i told another listee
we don't sell boots on this list, and i got jumped on. what'  does that
say here......that it;s not okay for someone else to sell a boot, but
is okay for us? isn't that double speak?  i just don't undestand that at
all to me, a boot is a boot copy or not, and either we should sell boots
or we shouldn't.  right?

either way the money is still not going to the girls,  even if the boot
is really authentic. regardless of amy ad emily's stance, it's still
making money off them isn't it? may not be thousands of dollars worth
but it's still seling boots.  or am i missing something? i'm confused.

peace
barb
  >>

i don't quite follow your lines of thinking.....as far as i am aware, the
list does not sell or condone the selling of boots.  selling bootleg music is
also illegal on ebay.  there are also professionally made boots on ebay that
are hard to prove.  these cds contain music that has not been released by the
artist and if you buy them then your money is going to support someone other
than it should.  it's the profit making that makes the difference between
ethical and unethical behavior.   once you start to make money off of an
artist by making cds you have crossed the line from fan to scum.

my $.02

indi

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<< well then what is the difference between a real
boot and a copy, and how can one tell them apart? this has eating me for
some time awahile ago someone went on the list wanted to sell aboot ,
we jump all over ebay for selling boots,but then i told another listee
we don't sell boots on this list, and i got jumped on. what'  does that
say here......that it;s not okay for someone else to sell a boot, but
is okay for us? isn't that double speak?  i just don't undestand that at
all to me, a boot is a boot copy or not, and either we should sell boots
or we shouldn't.  right?>>

wait.  now i'm confused.  i've been on this list for over five years now, and
i really haven't seen anyone *selling* boots for a profit.  we trade.  once
in a while someone who is copying a boot will ask you to throw a buck or two
in for artwork.  but i have never seen anyone selling their boots for profit.
or if people do sell their collections, they do it for the cost of the
tapes.  not to make a profit.

as far as some of the stuff that is on ebay, i agree with indi, some of those
people *are* making profit off the girls unreleased work.  and this *is* the
line between fan and scum (very good point made there).  none of us want to
make a profit or rip off the girls.  people who trade and copy just want ig
fans to have access to the music, no profit involved.

:-) karen (urrrg...taking the gre in less than a week...)

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omg!  i can't type...i meant this list...not "this lost"  heheh.  :-)

>>re: ebay, this lost, and boots<<

:-) karen

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hey, all,
    can anyone point me in the direction of a web site that has chords for
melissa's latest record? please reply privately. thanks.
deb

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can anyone send me the information for this concert....i ignroed it
earlier because i thought it was way too far for me...but now (thanks to
the lack of ig concert  blues) a road trip is in order. thanks.....also,
does anyone know how
far albany is from dover de??? thanks so much!@!! meg

thu, 3 aug 2000,
kelly fairbairn wrote:

> hello everyone!
>
> just to let you all know that the ig show is now being listed as 6:30, not
> 7:30.  i'm going to try to find out today what the deal is.
>
> kelly
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i highly recommend that everyone new to tape trading check out this site for
furthur info:
http://www.phish.com/taping.html

essentially what the people on this list would like to se is that the ig
institute something similar to this ( which is an adaptation of the grateful
dead's policy on taping.)
we trade tapes for blanks and postage.  no profit.  no payment for time or
use of equipment.  no profit period.  i have been doing this for years.  i
have a collection of over 600 phish shows and over 200 other shows dead
included.  the system works beautifully and it actually helps to boost
people's careers musically (assuming they are good musicians.)  the ig really
ought to work it out with their label to accommodate it.  a fan based
movement could bring this about if properly presented.  regardless, the ig
community has sort of adopted this philosophy even though the girls do not
allow taping.  it is sort of a respectful disobedience.  anyone selling boots
should be turned in, imo.
the light is the way,
adam
ps could someone please offer to spin some stuff for me... please :)

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thanks for posting that article! (see nigc looking for phila...mayor")
i've already emailed capt.fisher. i would encourage everyone on the list
to do the same.

peace,
barb

http://community.webtv.net/ritesofpassage9/foreverindigogirls

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does anyone have any information on this cd?  it's currently going for
$202.50 on ebay.  it was on yahoo last night and i was about to bid for it
($36.00), but i ran out of time...didn't log on fast enough! :(  the tracks
are as follows:

1. i'll give you my skin w/michael stipe
2. all along the watchtower
3. galileo
4. get out the map (from lilith fair)
5. love's recovery
6. mona lisas and mad hatters
7. sister
8. the wood song (acoustic)
9. not a pretty girl w/ani difranco
10. midnight train to georgia w/ joan baez
11. closer to fine w/sarah mclachlan & jewel from lilith fair
12. water is wide w/ sarach mclachlan & jewel from lilith fair
13. joking
14. rockin' the free world w/ k's choice

if anyone knows how i can get a copy of this cd without paying $202.00
please email me privately! i have a new email address: indifan@hotmail.com.

thanks,

amy
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you know, y'all crack me up.  mp3's are clearly stealing music...yet you
report sellers of bootlegs.  get a life.

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okay, just a point to be considered..didn't mean to be so testy there (pms).
mp3's are not profiting anyone but the listener.  consider this:  everything
for sale on ebay was once sold by someone else.  does that mean the items for
sale are to be treated as stolen property?  yeah i know, making copy's on cdr
is different, but...it is a free country, and if i want to buy something on
ebay that i can't get ahold of free through trading...i have the right to
purchase it.

i've bought quite a few cd's from ebay, and have been very please with the
quality and the timely fashion in which they are delivere.  now does anyone
want me to copy my cd's for free????  think on it.

karen

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hey...speaking of rare cd's...has anyone heard from joe lately?  he has (had)
a great selection of rarities

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i have to jump in here...

karenl1956@aol.com wrote:
>
> mp3's are not profiting anyone but the listener.
consider this:  everything
> for sale on ebay was once sold by someone else.

not necessarily true at all. people sell new items, items they made for
themselves, etc. on ebay all the time.


does that mean the items for
> sale are to be treated as stolen property?  yeah i know, making copy's on cdr
> is different, but...it is a free country, and if i want to buy something on
> ebay that i can't get ahold of free through trading...i have the right to
> purchase it.

yes, but does the person who made it have the right to sell it? i looked
at the track list of that cd and i have most of those songs on tape or
cd lying around my house. let's just say that i have a cd burner (not on
my budget, but it's a nice fantasy) and feel like making a few bucks. i
could easily whip up four or five copies and cleverly sell them on ebay
or yahoo over the next few months, and judging from the price that this
one is going for, i could make a nifty profit. all of which is highly
illegal and involving stolen property.  i haven't gotten any rights for
the music other than to own and listen to the copies of the songs i have
already, i'm not paying any royalties to the indigo girls for use of
their music, and i'm breaking the number one code of booting.
    i've been on this list for nearly four years off and on (i left once
for awhile) and the policy here and on the netnews groups i was on prior
to joining this list has always been to share bootlegs, not profit from
them.  while we officially aren't allowed to tape shows, fans do it all
the time and i know it's been said here before in the past month, has
been said on here hundreds of times, and for all i know is probably in
the faq now, the girls have said that they are aware of boot trading and
are ok with it as long as nobody profits from it. remember the recent
reference to rainy day records?  they were a company in georgia that was
selling bootlegs for profit, and if i remember correctly, amy and emily
weren't too happy about that.  the policy here has always been that tape
trading is fine--and that includes paying for the cost of the tape. i'm
a bootleg fan from before cd burning, but i can't see how copying cds is
any different. pay for the cost of the blank cd and for postage, or send
a blank cd and postage and it shall come back copied. people should make
bootlegs because they love the music and want to have the rare stuff,
and they should copy bootlegs because they want to share them, not so
they can make a buck off of someone else's hard work making the actual
music in the first place.   we're always talking about the spirit of the
indigo girls...well, the idea of making some poor sap pay $210 for a
home-burned cd of songs i could have whipped up for you for the cost of
a tape, well..that is as far from this spirit as a person can get.
>
> i've bought quite a few cd's from ebay, and have been very please with the
> quality and the timely fashion in which they are delivere.  now does anyone
> want me to copy my cd's for free????  think on it.

well, for the cost of a blank cd and postage...yep. but only if you want
to.
>

just my opinion folks, debate away at me
sharon

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>the ig community has sort of adopted this philosophy even >though the girls
do not allow taping.  it is sort of a >respectful disobedience.  anyone
selling boots
>should be turned in, imo.

i am confused.  i know, big surprise right?!?  i thought that a&e didn't
mind people booting their performances as long as they were not sold for
profit.  i did not know that they didn't allow taping.  how do they think
people can trade boots if you can't tape?  see my confusion?  someone please
set me straight.  thanks!

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let's see if i can help.
taping isn't allowed at concerts--i don't know if that is an indigo
girls rule or if it's just standard practice for auditoriums, etc. where
concerts are held.  however, there are plenty of clever fans who are
able to smuggle in small tape recorders and get bootlegs of the various
shows they go to. one of my friends was able to smuggle a camera into a
show in her cleavage....you get the idea...anyway, the girls know that
despite the no taping rule there are still bootlegs being made. instead
of being upset about that, they feel that the music should be shared.
they don't feel that people should be making money illegally from ig's
hard work and talent, which is more than fair. we don't get harassed too
badly for having copies of shows, they don't get cheated out of their
profits, which go to support ig while they make even more of that
incredible music we're all so crazy about.
hope this helps
sharon

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>
> i am confused.  i know, big surprise right?!?  i thought that a&e didn't
> mind people booting their performances as long as they were not sold for
> profit.  i did not know that they didn't allow taping.  how do they think
> people can trade boots if you can't tape?  see my confusion?  someone please
> set me straight.  thanks!
>

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i hate george bush by the way....(i'm a prison guard and if you've ever read the news he denied us a well deserved pay increase to get us up to the nation's average). among other things. :) anywhooooo....that was pretty funny :)

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on fri, 04 august 2000, "kovacs, mirinda" wrote:
from everything i've ever heard the girls say they do not mind the taping as long as it is not for profit...anyone else heard this??? d:)

>
> >the ig community has sort of adopted this philosophy even >though the girls
> do not allow taping.  it is sort of a >respectful disobedience.  anyone
> selling boots
> >should be turned in, imo.
>
> i am confused.  i know, big surprise right?!?  i thought that a&e didn't
> mind people booting their performances as long as they were not sold for
> profit.  i did not know that they didn't allow taping.  how do they think
> people can trade boots if you can't tape?  see my confusion?  someone please
> set me straight.  thanks!
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in a message dated 08/04/2000 10:12:31 am eastern daylight time,
tomboy1969@cswebmail.com writes:

<< from everything i've ever heard the girls say they do not mind the taping
as long as it is not for profit...anyone else heard this??? d:) >>

i have heard this a few times.   there is one good article out there (one
that comes to mind).  oh rats!  what magazine was it from?  anyway, it's on
lifeblood.  if i have time later, i can look and if i find it, post the link.

:-) karen

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well, technically trading an mp3 of a song performed at a concert is
the same as trading a cd-r bootleg of the same show. it's just a
different format. the songs i requested are ones that are nowhere
available on an official epic disc, or even a promo put out by the
girls. they've made their stance on bootlegging fairly clear - it's
alright to trade, but never to sell.

does that clear anything up? please note that i highly doubt any of us
would ask for mp3s of something that has been recorded and released by
the girls.

thanks also for the incredibly positive sentiments. maybe i'm speaking
for myself here, but that's just what i needed this morning.

take care,
amy

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> you
> report sellers of bootlegs.  get a life.


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<< from everything i've ever heard the girls say they do not mind the
taping
> as long as it is not for profit...anyone else heard this???

the girls always say that but also throw in that only if it's okay with the
venue.  now i've still yet to go to a show anywhere that doesn't have a sign
or recording that states no video or audio recording or flash photography
allowed.  so, who's to say that booting isn't illegal altogether?  it's not
going to stop me from trying though ;o)

good day to all,
joey (whose kinda bummed he got a traffic ticket this morning)

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in a message dated 08/04/2000 10:26:52 am eastern daylight time,
amy_indigirl@yahoo.com writes:

<< the songs i requested are ones that are nowhere
available on an official epic disc, or even a promo put out by the
girls. they've made their stance on bootlegging fairly clear - it's
alright to trade, but never to sell. >>

yeah!  and it's not like we're not going to buy the album because we already
downloaded the mp3's.  and again, we'e not going to sell the mp3's of the new
songs that we may get.  we just want a preview.

here is one instace where amy talked aout booting the shows.

from stomp and stammer (april 1997)

"people bootleg our shows all the time. i have no problem with that. we
expect it to happen, and it's not an issue for me... "

here's a link for the : http://www.lifeblood.net/articles/1997/9705b.html
(yah for lifeblood).

so when amy (swenson) and i and whoever else asked for mp3's of the new
to-be-released songs, we weren't intending to make a cheap buck off the
indigo girls' hard work. . . (we're not like the ebay sellers, thank you very
much).

:-) karen

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sorry folks but i had to respond to some of this...if anyone else from
philly has anything else to report please email me privately...

rugbygrrl


>from: indigokat@aol.com
>someone on here asked for this info.....here's what i found.....
>
>protesters imprisoned in philadelphia face brutal treatment, physical
>assault
>
>by r2k legal
>
>hundreds of nonviolent protesters arrested during tuesday and wednesday's
>protests are reporting inhumane conditions in custody and physical
>brutality from authorities, according to members of the r2k legal
>collective.

***okay, perhaps there were some non-violent protesters arrested over the
week but the majority of those arrested on tuesday (and probably wednesday)
were part of the anarchist group.  my roommate was trapped weveral blocks
away from home by these yahoos who basicly wilded through the streets at
4:40pm on tuesday.  they were fairly organized and created quite a bit of
havoc and destruction while they were "non-violently" protesting something
(their message still remains to be seen and understood).  they pvced
themselves together at highway entranceways and had to be cut apart in order
to remove them.  they ran in large packs down several streets, overturning
dumpters, spraypainting historical buildings and homes, vandelized
neighborhoods and basicly tried their best to incite the police into
unnessary action.  did they succeed in the latter?  not to my roommates
knowledge and she was standing right next to a major police line where a
large groupd of so-called protestors chanting and throwing things, pulling
bike cops off their bicycles and beating them, standing knose to nose with
cops in the line and screaming curses and taunts at them, etc.  my roommate
said that the things that were being yelled would have made her kick some
ass but the cops just calmly stood their line, and one by one slowly but
methodically arrested each one instead of moving as a group to try and
overwhelm the protestors.  she said she hadn't seem anything like it before
but that it worked.  several of our friends are involved with the peaceable
protests such as pro-choice and welfare rights, etc.  the anarchists did
exactly that, destroyed property and created havoc everywhere they went,
which, of course, was mostly in the gay community.  they had no clue as to
what they were doing and to whom.  then, we had rev. fred phelps and his
tribe on wednesday, protesting outside the gay community center here.  these
are the folks we should be boo hooing about?!  please!

<snip>


>"if you believe this treatment is unjust, let the authorities know how you
>feel," urged brian petruska, another r2k legal member. the list of people
>to call includes philadelphia mayor >john street, deputy commissioner ____
>mitchell, head of civil affairs
>captain ____ fisher, district attorney lynn abraham, and police
>commissioner timoney. petruska added, "when you call, express your concern
>over treatment of protesters in custody, and register your support for the
>demands of those arrested."
>
>protesters in custody are demanding the return of the dozen or so comrades
>in isolation, immediate attention to medical issues in jail, reduction or
>dismissal of all charges, and equal treatment for all arrested.


***what we're hearing trickling out of the roundhouse and other places is
that most of the problems are coming from the anarchist protestors.  they're
refusing to give their real names, which will only keep them in jail longer,
defecating in their cells, tearing things up and destroying their cells,
etc...my roommate had heard that the males were being sent out of town to
another jail(which i can't remember the name of but it had been closed down
up til now) in order to keep them away from the other jailed protestors.
when they were being arrested at the highway entrances they were loudly
protesting how bad they were being treated, etc. meanwhile the cops were
covering them with blankets to protect them from the pvc cuttings.  that's
part of their tactics- the cry wolf syndrome.  my roommate says (and she was
standing right there)that the groups that were trying to incite the cops
into beating them were yelling stuff about that carjacker that was beaten on
video a few weeks ago and trying to get the cops to do the same to them.
the cops didn't fall for it.  they were being spit on, etc. and the cops
didn't react.  pretty amazing i guess.  anyways, i'm just trying to let
folks know that alot of these so-called non-violent protestors are not the
little angels you'd like to think they are.  maybe shit is going on in the
jails that we don't know about but alot of it are these young protestors
that are out of control and ruining it for the folks that actually are
trying to accomplish things here.


>how to support jailed activists by phone.
>
>   mayor street…………………………………215-686-2181
>   stefanie stuber mayor chief of staff………..215-686-7508
>   councilman nutter………………………….. 215-685-3416
>   councilman blackwell……………………….215-685-3418
>   the roundhouse jail…………………………215-686-1776,
>215-685-8574
>   chief maxwell - head of detectives and criminal investigation
>215-686-3362
>   deputy commissioner mitchell - in charge of demonstration 215-686-3364
>   captain fisher - civil affairs 215-685-3684
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big differnce here
i take a mp3 its for me while the artist may be loosing money off that
sale if its on a cd they have out no one else is making money on it
however if i sell a bootleg the oppsite is true im making money on it and
the girls are not
see the differnce


on fri, 4 aug 2000 karenl1956@aol.com wrote:

> you know, y'all crack me up.  mp3's are clearly stealing music...yet you
> report sellers of bootlegs.  get a life.
>
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hey all! this is an awsome disscussion! in the back of my mind i just
keep saying, 'see, thats another great reason to have ig to something
similar to pearl jam's boot releases!'  i dunno, i think that would make
boots avaiable to everyone, internet or not, and it would still be
supporting them!!

anway, i was so glad to hear that amy and emily were aware of, and not
discouraging of, booting among thier fans! i think that says a ton about
the mutual respect btwn us fans and the girls. they respect us and put
trust that we will do things 'in the spririt of' their messages,
(honsesty, positivity, sharing, etc) and we respect them for giving us
that respect and trust not to take advantage of these 'seen and
cautiously permitted' type of activites!! thry are all about spreading
the word, getting their music out, etc! i think we owe it to ourselves
as fans, and to them as people and musicians/artists we respect, to be
honorable in the way we carry these boot trades out! i must say, i am
blown away by the generosity of the ppl here on this list!!

the amount of time, energy, and pocket money ppl here put into making
collections and boots for any of us who ask, many of whom are strangers
on both ends, is amazing! the only payment i have ever seen requested is
another cost of a cdr and/or postage, or a trade! its like, if i love
chocolate, and i made it from a rare recipie, im gonna tell everyone i
know about how  wonderful chocolate is, and if you want some chocolate
but don't have this reciepie, you can send me the cost of the chocolate
ingriedients and i will pick it up for you and give it to you b/c i want
to share this amazing chocolate that has brought me sooo much happiness
and joy! (the worst example, sorry! just tryin to make a point!)

ok, that was really bad example!! im really tired! been up since 415
this mornin (had to take gf to airport...leaving me for 5 days:(:(:(
anyway, its b/c we share the passion and love for the music of our girls
that makes us want to share so that all of us can experience the majic
and beauty of their music! i should hope we wouldnt want to make a
profit of their hard work!  and i think its more than reasonable that we
compensate our fellow listees for postage and cds if they ask, that is
the least we can do!

one more thing, i know nothing about booting or anyting like that!! i
just read in my news headlines about something very interesting.  most
venues are euquiped w/ sound systems for the hearing impared. some sort
of ear device that picks up the frequency at a higher leverl or sumtin,
and the sound is clear of all back round noise and super crisp. well,
'bootleggers' have rigged it so they can use these devises to boot the
shows! the sound is incredible, supposdily, better than a cd bc of the
'purity' of it, w/ no back round noise or audience interference. anway,
if any of yas have access to or know anything about what im talkin
about, cuz i don't, go ahead and get yourself the device for the closed
caption hearing imparied and record it straight from there for a top of
the line boot!!

sorry this is so long! i hope everyone has a wonderful day!! can't wait
till that video comes out! (is it gonna be on vhs too, or juts dvd???)
talk to yas laterz!!

cara

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um wrong if i make a cd full of mp3s of stuff not released on cd elsewhere
then no its not been sold before
on fri, 4 aug 2000 karenl1956@aol.com wrote:

> okay, just a point to be considered..didn't mean to be so testy there (pms).
> mp3's are not profiting anyone but the listener.  consider this:  everything
> for sale on ebay was once sold by someone else.  does that mean the items for
> sale are to be treated as stolen property?  yeah i know, making copy's on cdr
> is different, but...it is a free country, and if i want to buy something on
> ebay that i can't get ahold of free through trading...i have the right to
> purchase it.

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someone wrote:
how do they think people can trade boots if you can't tape?  see my
confusion?  someone please set me straight.  thanks!


no problem. i am a taper of many bands, all of which allow taping, this means
the band has fought for the rights of the fans who wish to tape and trade
their shows. it is a fight, too.  the label tries to take more of the $ from
the artists albums to cover loss of sales to the traders.  at this point it
is no longer bootlegging, and the shows traded are not called boots or
bootlegs.  they are just shows, because it is not illegal.  right now it is
illegal to trade ig shows.  my understanding is that ig do not allow taping,
and this issue of dealing with the label is possibly one of the reasons.
anyone know for sure?  they are turning a blind eye to trading, it is not an
open taping policy wherein people (like myself) are allowed to go in, set up
a mic stand in an inobtrusive location and record the show.  people "stealth
record" their shows.  this means they have tiny mics hidden on their person
usually in a hat or something similar.  the dat deck is then tucked into a
pocket or backpack with a wire connecting the two.
glad i could help and please direct me to better info if i am mistaken,
adam

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here is some resource info for any who want a good understanding of such
things.
http://www.phish.net/archives/tapes/
this contains info on
phish tapes.
1. getting phish tapes
2. taping a phish show
3. why bootleg cds are a bad thing

someone should put similar info with ig adaptations onto an ig fan based web
page?
please send me the link if there is one already
adam

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okay, so i know that a&e must have most of their shows recorded in order to
make the "best of" cd's like 1200 curfews.  so, my question is this...have
any of you ever contacted russell carter(is that the name?) to get a copy of
a show?  and if so did they help you or not?  i was wondering this because i
was at the minneapolis show and thought it was amazing.  and apparently no
one booted it.  so i was thinking of contacting them and asking if they had
a recording of it that i could get or purchase.  do you think this is a good
idea or an absolutely ridiculous idea?

mi rinda

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the girls don't mind taping. but they said that if the venue doesn't allow
taping, then the fans should respect the venue's rule.

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i just wanted to let all of you know how much i appreciate your kindness and
willingness to share your knowledge.  it is rare that you find such a large
bunch of people that are all so giving.  i just wanted to thank you for
that.

mi rinda

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on fri, 04 august 2000, joe krimple wrote:
i've been to several venues...mostly outdoor type places...that don't have those signs and the security guys at asheville/raliegh saw my md recorder and said nothing...so i'll keep booting away...
d:)
(who just ordered a new microphone to tape cleveland)!
>
>  << from everything i've ever heard the girls say they do not mind the
> taping
> > as long as it is not for profit...anyone else heard this???
>
>  the girls always say that but also throw in that only if it's okay with the
> venue.  now i've still yet to go to a show anywhere that doesn't have a sign
> or recording that states no video or audio recording or flash photography
> allowed.  so, who's to say that booting isn't illegal altogether?  it's not
> going to stop me from trying though ;o)
>
> good day to all,
> joey (whose kinda bummed he got a traffic ticket this morning)
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in a message dated 8/4/00 10:36:47 am central daylight time,
cara.klein@interpath.net writes:

> thats another great reason to have ig to something
>  similar to pearl jam's boot releases!'  i dunno, i think that would make
>  boots avaiable to everyone, internet or not, and it would still be
>  supporting them!!

pearl jams solution of selling all their shows is snazzy, but the best option
is to allow straight out audience taping.

>
>  anway, i was so glad to hear that amy and emily were aware of, and not
>  discouraging of, booting among thier fans! i think that says a ton about
>  the mutual respect btwn us fans and the girls. they respect us and put
>  trust that we will do things 'in the spririt of' their messages,
>  (honsesty, positivity, sharing, etc) and we respect them for giving us
>  that respect and trust not to take advantage of these 'seen and
>  cautiously permitted' type of activites!!

exactly, the community should be allowed to tape and circulate without profit
the shows that are taped.

    be
>  honorable in the way we carry these boot trades out! i must say, i am
>  blown away by the generosity of the ppl here on this list!!
>  and i think its more than reasonable that we
>  compensate our fellow listees for postage and cds if they ask, that is
>  the least we can do!

b&p is the way to go if there is not an even trade taking place.  no one
should send 2 tapes to get one back.  that is a profit. and no one should pay
more than the lowest going rate for the blank tape if it is a tape/show which
is purchased.

>
>  one more thing, i know nothing about booting or anyting like that!! i
>  just read in my news headlines about something very interesting.  most
>  venues are euquiped w/ sound systems for the hearing impared. some sort
>  of ear device that picks up the frequency at a higher leverl or sumtin,

no this is incorrect actually it is a low level fm feed from the soundboard.
so although it is a sbd (soundboard) recording it is diluted somewhat the
same as am mp3.

>  and the sound is clear of all back round noise and super crisp. well,
>  'bootleggers' have rigged it so they can use these devises to boot the
>  shows!
yes and the practice should be highly punished bcs of its impact on the
hearing impaired folks problems which are generated by these illegal idiots.

>  the sound is incredible, supposdily, better than a cd

a cd's sound is based on the available signal from which the recording was
made.  therefor a "regular" cd does not exist.  every rec is different based
on the source of the sound.

> bc of the
>  'purity'
actually it is compressed and there is usually a low frequency hum present as
well

>of it, w/ no back round noise or audience interference. anway,
>  if any of yas have access to or know anything about what im talkin
>  about, cuz i don't, go ahead and get yourself the device for the closed
>  caption hearing imparied and record it straight from there for a top of
>  the line boot!!

although this is done by some indignant direspecting individuals, the
recording is substandard by leaps and bounds.  the media/news version is full
of bs.  sorry but its true.  the labels want it to be a big issue so they get
it in the media as a big issue.  these are substandard and it is disrespect
to the hearing impaired.  there are problems being generated to people with
hearing disablities as a result of this bootlegging practice.  it should be
reported to the proper authorities.
cara sorry to tear up your post, but it was a real good example to hopefully
educate folks about the things you mentioned in the post.  please no hard
feelings.  i in no way intend to belittle or disrespect you.  i simply wish
to help people understand.
adam

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actually any reproduction of ig material other than for personal use is
illegal.  distribution is illegal, sharing via mp3 is illegal, and trading
tapes is illegal.
remember a blind eye turned and legal are different things.
if i'm wrong direct me to the ig written policy which says otherwise.
adam

in a message dated 8/4/00 10:36:58 am central daylight time,
madonajk@alpha.delta.edu writes:

> um wrong if i make a cd full of mp3s of stuff not released on cd elsewhere
>  then no its not been sold before
>  on fri, 4 aug 2000 karenl1956@aol.com wrote:
>
>  > okay, just a point to be considered..didn't mean to be so testy there
(pms)
> .
>  > mp3's are not profiting anyone but the listener.  consider this:
> everything
>  > for sale on ebay was once sold by someone else.  does that mean the
items
> for
>  > sale are to be treated as stolen property?  yeah i know, making copy's
on
> cdr
>  > is different, but...it is a free country, and if i want to buy something
> on
>  > ebay that i can't get ahold of free through trading...i have the right to
>  > purchase it.

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tomboy 1969 wrote:
i've been to several venues...mostly outdoor type places...that don't have
those signs and the security guys at asheville/raliegh saw my md recorder and
said nothing...so i'll keep booting away...

excellent point!!!!
most festivals and fundraisers and other outdoor events
(for raising environmentalawareness for example)
have no venue policy against taping.  these are great shows to record, and it
is examples such as this which could really make a difference in allowing
taping officially at any venue.  even venues who do not "allow taping"
actually do allow taping, it is just a sign they put up to reduce the hassle
they get from the crowd at almost all of their shows.  most artists/labels do
not allow taping, so venues just make it a venue policy.  that way the venue
doesn't have to sort it out.  form the venue perspective they also don't have
to deal with the liability of drunk or over energetic people throwing a
micstand into the crowd and hurting someone.
bands like phish, david matthews, steve kimock band, etc... make it possible
for tapers by setting up an official taping section.  its location varies
based on the venue, but it is usually around the backside of the soundboard
or at the rear of the reserved seats in an amphitheater or at the back of the
floor at a stadium... good spots but also not in the way of people.  ig
really should go this route!
just my opinion
adam

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i would send an e-mail to their manager and ask what the position is on free
copies of the bands music.  i would not say you represent a bunch of people
on a list or anything else that might make them feel alarmed if they react
negatively.  if you have the info on who to contact i can do it.
adam

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for anyone who would like to learn more about the protests:

http://www.phillyimc.org

please take a look!

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<< 17. you love jesus and jesus loves you and, by the way, jesus shares your
hate for aids victims, homosexuals, and president clinton.
  >>

heehee :) lol...  i liked this one :) oh btw... i went to see jill sobule the
other night who is so silly and cute, and she's got a couple new topical
songs that are really funny.. one is about kathie lee - "kathie lee's in love
with me, that's why she left the show.." the other is called texas and is
about the lone star state's affection for the death penalty.. "they'll fry
your ass in lubbock.." they're both pretty cool and there are real audio and
mp3's of both songs on her website www.jillsobule.com.

as for the cdr vs. "real boots": <well then what is the difference between a
real
boot and a copy, and how can one tell them apart? >

a real bootleg - like one that was commercially released (for instance,
there are a bunch of commercially released tori amos bootlegs.. they are
still unauthorized recordings but they are pressed boots..not cd-r's) a lot
of tori fans buy the commercially released silver pressed boots because they
are collectors and collect everything.. ebay's bootleg policy (last i knew)
was specifically against cdr's... the way to tell the difference is to flip
the cd over - real cd's that have been pressed (bootlegs and official cd's)
are silver underneath. cd-r's are green or blue underneath.. the difference
between them (and this is all taken from my experience being on the tori-boot
list - i don't own a burner and i don't personally know how burners work...)
is how the music is recorded onto the cd (ie silver boots are pressed -
generally acknowledged to be a better way of putting data on the cd than
burning, where the data is burned onto the cd... theoretically pressed boots
last longer than burned discs...)

so what the deal is is that yes, silver or cdr, they're still both
unauthorized and the ig or tori don't see any of the profits from the sales.
the difference between buying a silver disc and a cdr is that a silver disc
is supposed to be better quality and is um.. an original bootleg. plus, a cdr
costs about what, $2 to make?? so if you're spending $15 on a cdr, you're
wasting your money.. (i personally could care less if the thing is silver or
not, but if you go into a record a store and find like a promo or something,
it's always worthwhile to see the disc and make sure it's silver - anyone can
burn a copy and then it's no different from getting a burned promo from neil
or tara...)

again, the difference with ebay - last i checked ebay's policy - was
specifically against cd-r's (being that that way they know it's
unofficial...) if the thing is silver, ebay (sorta) has no way to tell if
it's official or not.. it's ebay's cop out way of not promoting bootlegs but
letting people sell their stuff at the same time..

so the best thing to do if you want to bid on bootlegs on ebay (if you're a
nutty collector and want "real" bootlegs) is to e-mail the seller and ask if
it's a cdr or not.. if they tell you it isn't and you get it and it is, then
by ebay standards it's not as described and you have recourse to try to get
your money back...

personally  i could care less if the thing is silver or not.. i'd rather get
boots on cdr from real fans like tara or jude or neil where there's no
profits being made..
-------------

ok on the subject of boots.. the hob boot from the second night is ready.. it
fits on a 120min tape and sounds pretty good. the crowd was pretty rowdy so
there's some noise during slow songs and one girl who was wooohoooing a lot
:p but overall it's not too bad. the instruments were turned up a little too
loud, especially during the songs with the butchies - so those two are pretty
hard to make out lyrics...

also while i'm at it... the fat fry is pretty much ready too. it fits on a
110min tape.. i don't have the setlist with me (plus i wan't paying attention
when i was writing it down so i have to re-listen to see if i missed a
song..) this one also sounds pretty good... there are a few times where i was
yelling for emily cause i was trying to get her attention so lisa could give
them her book.. so there are a couple times where you have to listen to me
yelling "emily! emily! emily!" :p there's also a little security guard
interference - they were being pricks, standing in front of us (you know us
wild moshing ig fans...) and talking on their radios.. all in all it's pretty
good.

keep in mind i've only got an analog tape recorder so we're not talking
perfection here... i'm probably just going to do b&p's (and feel free to
throw in a buck for printing costs since i print out tapeliners). but if you
have any of the following then i want 'em:
8/29/94 mesa az (swamp ophelia),
7/17/97 & 7/18/97 red rocks co (sots)
any barbara kessler boot (hint hint - go see her and tape her dammit!)

so e-mail me for the info and keep in mind i've got berkeley and sacramento
also. (oh and you really don't have to send me chocolate... lol..i mean of
course i'll eat it but i thinking i'm breaking out from the last two
chocolate bars carrie sent me :p)

:) lisa

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date:         fri, 4 aug 2000 12:33:16 -0400
reply-to:     cara klein <cara.klein@interpath.net>
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i sincerly appreciate those that corrected me on my description of the hearing
devices! i appreciate it cuz i intially said i know nothing, and i want to learn
about all sorts of things! i love to learn, and booting stuff, if you wil, is
something i know nothing of. i should know better than to listen to all the media
says! i have seen for myself how the media can give info that is flat out wrong
or very misleading, and this is one of those cases!! i only said what i did b/c
that is all i had heard! i guess i should consider the source! as far as saying
to get a device, i was being sarcastic!! :) it really bothers me when ppl take
things that were meant for 'the good of' and turn it into something that it was
not at all intended for and put others at risk of not having access to things b/c
a select few exploited something!

i always learn new things here! i am the first to say i want to be corrected im
wrong, assuming im in a good mood of course!!:) hehe, and as long as its
respectful!! i guess wrong is even the wrong word, mis informed!!

im gald there are so many ppl that are so knowledgable about various areas in
music, sound, production, etc! adam, thank you for explaining things in the
manner in which you did!

have a wonderful day everyone!! :)

cara

annidas@aol.com wrote:

> in a message dated 8/4/00 10:36:47 am central daylight time,
> cara.klein@interpath.net writes:
>
> > thats another great reason to have ig to something
> >  similar to pearl jam's boot releases!'  i dunno, i think that would make
> >  boots avaiable to everyone, internet or not, and it would still be
> >  supporting them!!
>
> pearl jams solution of selling all their shows is snazzy, but the best option
> is to allow straight out audience taping.
>
> >
> >  anway, i was so glad to hear that amy and emily were aware of, and not
> >  discouraging of, booting among thier fans! i think that says a ton about
> >  the mutual respect btwn us fans and the girls. they respect us and put
> >  trust that we will do things 'in the spririt of' their messages,
> >  (honsesty, positivity, sharing, etc) and we respect them for giving us
> >  that respect and trust not to take advantage of these 'seen and
> >  cautiously permitted' type of activites!!
>
> exactly, the community should be allowed to tape and circulate without profit
> the shows that are taped.
>
>     be
> >  honorable in the way we carry these boot trades out! i must say, i am
> >  blown away by the generosity of the ppl here on this list!!
> >  and i think its more than reasonable that we
> >  compensate our fellow listees for postage and cds if they ask, that is
> >  the least we can do!
>
> b&p is the way to go if there is not an even trade taking place.  no one
> should send 2 tapes to get one back.  that is a profit. and no one should pay
> more than the lowest going rate for the blank tape if it is a tape/show which
> is purchased.
>
> >
> >  one more thing, i know nothing about booting or anyting like that!! i
> >  just read in my news headlines about something very interesting.  most
> >  venues are euquiped w/ sound systems for the hearing impared. some sort
> >  of ear device that picks up the frequency at a higher leverl or sumtin,
>
> no this is incorrect actually it is a low level fm feed from the soundboard.
> so although it is a sbd (soundboard) recording it is diluted somewhat the
> same as am mp3.
>
> >  and the sound is clear of all back round noise and super crisp. well,
> >  'bootleggers' have rigged it so they can use these devises to boot the
> >  shows!
> yes and the practice should be highly punished bcs of its impact on the
> hearing impaired folks problems which are generated by these illegal idiots.
>
> >  the sound is incredible, supposdily, better than a cd
>
> a cd's sound is based on the available signal from which the recording was
> made.  therefor a "regular" cd does not exist.  every rec is different based
> on the source of the sound.
>
> > bc of the
> >  'purity'
> actually it is compressed and there is usually a low frequency hum present as
> well
>
> >of it, w/ no back round noise or audience interference. anway,
> >  if any of yas have access to or know anything about what im talkin
> >  about, cuz i don't, go ahead and get yourself the device for the closed
> >  caption hearing imparied and record it straight from there for a top of
> >  the line boot!!
>
> although this is done by some indignant direspecting individuals, the
> recording is substandard by leaps and bounds.  the media/news version is full
> of bs.  sorry but its true.  the labels want it to be a big issue so they get
> it in the media as a big issue.  these are substandard and it is disrespect
> to the hearing impaired.  there are problems being generated to people with
> hearing disablities as a result of this bootlegging practice.  it should be
> reported to the proper authorities.
> cara sorry to tear up your post, but it was a real good example to hopefully
> educate folks about the things you mentioned in the post.  please no hard
> feelings.  i in no way intend to belittle or disrespect you.  i simply wish
> to help people understand.
> adam
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does anyone out there have info on the highland inn in atlanta?
specifically, do they have a parking lot or is there just parking on the
street?

thanks!

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annidas@aol.com wrote:

> pearl jams solution of selling all their shows is snazzy, but the best option
> is to allow straight out audience taping.

pearl jam's policy has always been to allow audience taping, going so
far as to change concert venues if a venue is being particularly narrow
about the band's taping policy, and having someone with them on tour
whose job it is to run interference between tapers coming into the venue
and the venue staff, making sure they get in (and out) with all their
equipment.

the thing i love about pj's decision to release the entire tour is that
these will be multitrack soundboard tapes, professionally mixed,
providing the right blend of band and audience participation, without
any annoying crowd conversations which are so prevalent on a lot of
boots.  plus, at $10.98 a 2-disc set, they're obviously not pricing them
to make huge amounts of money for themselves.  (when i first heard they
were doing this, i was expecting $17-25/show, not $11, certainly).

audience taping is great, and free, but rarely will be equal in quality
to what these shows are going to be.

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hey-- first off, is there a boot somewhere out there that has hey kind friend live on it? if so-- e-mail me and let me know the info.

about the booting thing-- i think pearl jam has the right idea about releasing their boots. and the girls have a very large and devoted following that would be very receptive to this-- do y'all think we could possibly get a large group of fans to submit their thoughts and suggestions to russel carter? kinda like a petition...you know-- one person recieves the submissions and organizes them and sends those with a synopsis letter to russell and/or epic. i think if they were to see how many people would be intrested than maybe they'd take it into serious consideration. it was just a though-- what do y'all think? take care--ashley

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hi kind friends,

i am buying (again) a cd-rw drive and need and appreciate any advice
regarding which to buy. the one i have now is a pacific digital, which has
been glitchy from day one and now refuses to work at all.

the most serious contender is the hp cd-writer plus 9110i which is on sale.
specifically i am interested in hearing about as ease of use and ability to
back up all media (photos, data, music) without me bouncing off the walls
with frustration :)

the sale ends on saturday, so any timely advice/shared experiences are
greatly appreciated.

thanks,
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good day kind friends!  are there any boots circling around out there =
from recent performances when the girls performed the 2 new songs?  =
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boots of laramie and other new amy stuff.  please email me privately. =20
have a great weekend
joey

p.s.  i'm all for the petition to russell carter getting the pearl jam =
ethic of booting started.  that would be ever so cool!

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well...i don't need it, but i really want it!
anyway...i was there, but i didn't hear everything due
to the fact that i was one of the people who showed up
in boats, and all the rest of the boat people i was
near talked throughout the whole thing:(...(the only
reason i went on a boat and didn't pay is that my
cousin and her family offered to take me on their boat
for free, and since i'd given up hope of going, for
many reasons, i wasn't about to turn down that offer:)
anyway, amy said someting about the people on their
little rafts in the water (if you can imagine about 50
or so people in inflatable two person rafts rowing
around in the san diego bay in the dark after the
concert...well, it was chuckleworthy) that i didn't
get to hear, among other things, so i'm really hoping
someone made a boot of it. i have a few boots i can
trade. that was prolly the best setlist i've heard at
an indigo girls concert. when i saw how tiny the venue
was i got mad that i didn't try harder to actually go
and be part of the real audience...since the stage was
at a weird angle to the bay and i had to sit on
someone's empty boat just to see both of them...  i
almost fainted when they started playing tangled up in
blue... *sigh* i can die a happy woman...even happier
when i get a copy of that show...

thanx so much, celeste:)


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here's my take:

  making recordings (the format is irrelevant whether its tapes, cd-rs or mp3s)
of live performances is stealing.  you don't have a "right" to someone's product
simply because you want it.  your ticket price covers you to hear the
performance live on a one-time basis.  you haven't compensated the artist for
the right to re-experience that performance over and over at home.  if the
artist (as ig has said pretty clearly) states that they don't particularly mind
if you get away with recording their live show and trading it to others for free
that doesn't mean you haven't profitted from them.  you've acquired something of
value at no cost.  selling that item of value is the second offense, not the
first one.

  the other point that hasn't been raised is that we on the list also look the
other way about making compilation cd-rs that include tracks that _are_ for sale
commercially but are either "hard to find" or are "inconveniently packaged" as
part of compilation discs with that contain only one track that we want.  you
can fault the current distribution system of the record companies for not
letting you get individual tracks and pay for them individually; but don't
pretend that it isn't case of offering something of value (which is for sale in
some form) for free to others on the list.  blaming the "evil record companies"
because they make "too much" profit is a red-herring argument that has nothing
to do with the validity (and legality) of trading copyrighted material.

  (yes, i have lots of ig boots and a few cd-rs as well.  but i don't lie to
myself about the legality or the propriety of it.  the web is based on a faulty
premise that content is free at the discretion of the receiver, not the
provider.  that model needs to be changed.  the premise behind napster is so
wrong it's not even funny.)

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hi guys-- i tossed up the idea earlier about starting a petition to send to
russell carter and/or epic about releasing live boots from the girls. we have
spent countless posts on our wishes for them to do this.  now would be the
time to consider just how serious we are about it. i personally would love
for this to happen-- but that's just me. y'all think about it and let me
know-- but we all have to be in agreement about this. if there are concerns
or strong oppositions then we can discuss them.  if this project is something
we do want to do-- i'll be more than happy to organize it...and there are
many of you who have offered to help already! and that's exactly what it'll
take-- an effort and a voice on everyone's part. and you know--  the
management/record company may not even go for the idea-- but it's worth a
shot.  i do feel that if  there is enough evidence and support  that they
will take things into serious consideration. y'all just think about it! have
a wonderful day!! take care-- ashley

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well hey intimate strangers,

i have been really been able to get online often enough to really keep the
411 constant update on the girls ... however i will be going to the michigan
festival just to get out of my new surroundings and regroup with some gay
people ......if anyone is going look for me at some point in a) really
blatant gay tshirts b) my purple and black zebra striped cowboy hat ....

im pumped cuz iget my newcar (toyotaecho) and then im off to experiencea
road trip ...which i have never donebefore andbetter yet i will get to see
the girls in a venue unlike any other i have ever been in . well i will save
you the waste of space and time and so ...cutting this short ....
hope everyone is well....
-jess
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hello!  i have talked personally to gayle the owner of the ebay cd
everyone is up in arms over!  it is genuine, for real and a silver disc
promo.  there are 10 others available for $60 + postage.  why are you
guys after this seller??  if you don't want to play ebay--don't go there
and bid simple!  now----if anyone is interested n this real
original 14 track promo email me!  don't bother gayle---  they wil be
available in a few days so as originality can be looked at and verified
before tzhey are shipped!! if interested email me -----
opacity@webtv.net  ----- lynn  ---- ps  joe fortunate1 is in europe---so
thus the reason he has not popped up on the list-----he also sells
bootleged shows he has done and you guys like him----why don't you guy's
rag him as well???  double standard here---don't be that way!  everyone
is out to get their own ig collection---great!  go for it, have fun but
don't begrudge others  for paying for what they want and getting it!

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<<  blaming the "evil record companies"
because they make "too much" profit is a red-herring argument that has
nothing
to do with the validity (and legality) of trading copyrighted material. >>

<sarcasm>
oh yeah... those poor defenseless record companies.. they're getting so
screwed over by fans bootlegging shows.. i know that personally if i can get
a free song on the net, then i won't go buy the cd.. if i can pay $45 for a
concert ticket and boot the concert, then i can save myself the $15 of buying
that artist's cd.. and another thing, i've never ever gone to buy someone's
cd just by hearing a bootleg... why buy the cow when you can get cow patties
for free???
</sarcasm>


in other words, give me a fucking break.. go read the courtney love article
before even pretending to defend the major labels. go read richard shindell's
website on his argument for being on an indie label. go read that link neil
posted the other day (that i forgot to bookmark).  the damn record companies
want to completely own everything and profit from everything. the only reason
they're against mp3's and boots is cause they're not getting a cut...

i've got over 200 tori amos boots but i have every cd, cd single, and
soundtrack or compilation the woman's ever done (totaling about 50 cd's).
ditto for the ig.. i've gone out and bought entire cd's based on hearing a
bootleg (or mp3) of an artist i'd never heard before (jess klein, beth wood,
rose polenzani.... not to mention the countless others i've bought after
listening to bootlegs and deciding to go get soandso's new cd b/c of the
bootleg..) bootlegs are good and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. ditto
for mp3's - the same rule applies... no one is getting hurt by fans trading
boots (or dl songs from the net).. we're not selling them so we're not making
an illegal profit, real fans (ie the ones who want the boots and all the live
performances) are the ones who already own all the cd's and will still go buy
the new retrospective even though it's only got two new tracks..

if you have to saddle your high horse....
lisa

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date:         fri, 4 aug 2000 23:11:15 -0400
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counteroffer - i'll offer it to seed - for free - so no one gives this woman
any $$ and she doesnt get 600 bucks (hmm, that would have paid for my dc
trip last week and my nff trip with blanks et all, damn, i wish didn't have
a conscience)

and really - is it better than the 9:30 club boot - no - and that was free -
so any further discussion is mute - but humor me..this post is hilarous to
me


> hello!  i have talked personally to gayle the owner of the ebay cd
> everyone is up in arms over!  it is genuine, for real and a silver disc
> promo.

and like amy and emily will think you are cool and it is for true fans only
, thats why you emailed 700 + people...
this is not a promo!!!!!

if it was - people would cite a catalog number - and really - you can get
the shades promo for $60 on a good day - no cd - not even the pressed
beatles cd's that would easily fetch $100 on ebay in a hour

there are 10 others available for $60 + postage.  why are you
> guys after this seller??

because she is a woman profitting off a hapharzard collection of b-sides,
live stuff and stuff released on the lilith cd's

if you don't want to play ebay--don't go there
> and bid simple!
not simple - many bands have totally curbed all patches and recording as a
result of ebay - my friend and i were at the 7/3/00 camden maine wilco
show - we couldn't get a patch because "it would end up on ebay" before you
say "well it was show x in some small place in maine" - it is being hailed
as the best show they ever have done - do a search on deja.com - yes - i
have a digital master...anyhow...
as for ebay
i have a bid on a new order live import, finally released in the uk after
wide circulation as a fm tape in the 80's...let's hope i win it

  now----if anyone is interested n this real
> original 14 track promo email me!

why - so you can burn for 7 hours and copy @ kinkos and be 600 bucks richer?
a  small pressing would be possible in some cd plant (maybe an indie type
place) but you have neither the restraint (when i'm offered something
actually super rare - it is totally off list) nor the price (usually
25 -30 ) for this to be a possibility.

i dont post my total list anywhere anymore - i'd be inundated with request
for my penobscot '97 boot or my  92 boot with reunion and fugitive
rehearsals (four months before either song was ever officially released) -
hmm - maybe i need venture capital - $400 for both boots??? (i will even
throw in some other ultra rare show...just kidding i dont sell)

don't bother gayle---  they wil be
> available in a few days so as originality can be looked at and verified
> before tzhey are shipped!!
no - it is being seeded - dont bother...

if interested email me -----
> opacity@webtv.net  ----- lynn  ---- ps  joe fortunate1 is in europe-

get your facts str8, i thought he was in tibet? i know joe personally
--so
> thus the reason he has not popped up on the list-----he also sells
> bootleged shows he has done and you guys like him
hahaha!!! funny, he never burned a damn cdr to sell in the time i knew him -
he sold promos, rare stuff, photos, and would trade for stuff he didn't
have - he was a true fan who was super cool to the community and, while some
may not have liked him, he definitely was himself. i actually have some
hornsby autographs for him..

----why don't you guy's
> rag him as well???
he's a person you'd see at shows and help out if he needed it - a super cool
guy to me and he knew amy and em pretty well, of course seeing the guy night
after night after night couldn't have hurt...
  double standard here---don't be that way!
no double standard - show me incredible photos - fair pricing - comittment
to fly 1/2 way across the country, get the center primo spot at nff and
*still* let people (like myself) get pictures from your tarp and maybe i'd
think about it. jude hunter,deb, tara and neil (!) have all done as much in
the fan base - i've never seen you post *except now*  you want $$ - sorry -
i'm treeing it

everyone
> is out to get their own ig collection---great!  go for it, have fun but
> don't begrudge others  for paying for what they want and getting it!
don't freaking lie about the origins of your suppsed cdr and maybe i'd buy
one - but - alas - you've lost all creditiblity with this email - so - hell
with it - i know "gayle" has no right to sell these discs even if they were
promos - but they are not - so just quit being so ignorant - read the faq,
go buy 1200 curfews and leave your pathetic spam off the list

sorry i'm so harsh - considering the best ig promos i've gotten havent been
over 15 bucks and the fan cdr's (and after making a few myself, i get
irritated by silly people like you) are so much better than this promo...

and yes, ig are pro booting and pro mp3 - live concert trading (i asked at
the uconn q&a - i'll put it online if meed be- i heard a video (!) exists!

and yes, i'll seed this for free - please don't buy it - any branches or
someone who has the time to set this up - and can somebody stop the ebay
auction under safeharbor? i'm too busy packing for nff

mike r.

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date:         fri, 4 aug 2000 23:14:39 edt
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in a message dated 8/4/00 9:42:50 pm eastern daylight time, opacity@webtv.net
writes:

<<  ps  joe fortunate1 is in europe---so
thus the reason he has not popped up on the list-----he also sells
bootleged shows he has done and you guys like him----why don't you guy's
rag him as well???  double standard here---don't be that way!  everyone
is out to get their own ig collection- >>

no joe isn't in europe.  i believe he is in ohio.  and as far as i know he
doesn't sell bootlegs or at least i have never seen him advertise them.

indi

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date:         fri, 4 aug 2000 23:27:57 edt
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in a message dated 8/4/00 9:42:50 pm eastern daylight time, opacity@webtv.net
writes:

<<hello!  i have talked personally to gayle the owner of the ebay cd
everyone is up in arms over!  it is genuine, for real and a silver disc
promo.  there are 10 others available for $60 + postage.  why are you
guys after this seller??>>

i dont think anyone has gone after this seller at all.  the disgust is with
the person who is admittedly selling cdrs of "rare" demos and it has brought
up an interesting conversation about the ethics of boots.

<< go for it, have fun but
don't begrudge others  for paying for what they want and getting it! >>

i dont think anyone begrudges someone buying the cd especially if they don't
know it is illegal, the problem is the scum who manufacture them and put them
out there in the first place.  how those people, especially the ones who
consider themselves fans, sleep at night i don't know.  they must have the
ethics of a flea.

my $.02

indi

and out of curiousity why is it that you make all your auctions on ebay
private??   "private" auctions tend to be for folks selling pornography.
what are you hiding or what is it you are protecting your bidders from?

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date:         sat, 5 aug 2000 00:15:45 edt
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okay, y'all said your peace, but how many of you that did not speak up have
pursued these elusive cdr's, paid for them and enjoy listening to them?  this
is a free country, i have my right to spend my money however i want too, and
if i want to spend 200.00 on an illegal boot for my listening pleasure, i'm
entitled to do just that.  i have never copied and sold anything i bought
that was illegal, but just as y'all trading boots, downloading cdr's for your
listening pleasure...if i run accross something that i don't have, i'm gonna
buy it.  does this make me a bad fan?  well, maybe to some of you..but the
majority of you, if you had the money and the desire, you'd do the same.

i'm sick of the self-righteousness of the posters here who will tree...i
don't want a tree..i want the origional, and if i want to pay 60 bucks for
it, well doggone it i'll do it, and i'll enjoy listening to it while y'all
are wishing someone would tree it for you.

bottom line...my money, my listening pleasure.  free country.

love,  karen

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in a message dated 8/4/00 11:56:26 am central daylight time,
mcgee@oregontrail.net writes:

> pearl jam's policy has always been to allow audience taping

hmm the three shows i saw in 93-94 (my only pj shows) didn't allow any
equipment in at all. nada zilch. glad they changed their style:)
adam

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date:         sat, 5 aug 2000 00:29:50 edt
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plextor is the best option of a cd burning drive.
adam

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in a message dated 8/5/00 12:30:31 am eastern daylight time,
karenl1956@aol.com writes:

<< i'm sick of the self-righteousness of the posters here who will tree...i
don't want a tree..i want the origional, and if i want to pay 60 bucks for
it, well doggone it i'll do it, and i'll enjoy listening to it while y'all
are wishing someone would tree it for you.

bottom line...my money, my listening pleasure.  free country.

love,  karen >>


i have no problem with you buying it but dont be so naive as to think you are
getting an "original"      an original what?   an original pressing of a cd
someone put together to get a sucker to buy what they could and should get
for free?

my $.02

indi

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pj?  no disrespect intended, but their style is not ideal imo.
i find this interesting because they have taping community with such little
cohesion.
do not flame me, i am aware of their fan base and this is in no way
disrespect.  they do not have enough fan support network for the fans to
trade the shows into the community freely.
is it impossible for the ig to achieve the levels of fan base and taper base
needed for a grateful dead like system to work?  i realize some of the fans
on this list will not understand what i mean, and alot of folks may take
offense to this (but please
don't take offense ;) , but the grateful dead's evolving system is the
world's most successful fan based distribution system, and i am curious if
you guys think the ig could not be of similar energy?  i suppose it is a
matter of fan dynamics.  are there people who take weeks off work to follow
the ig from show to show?  interesting question i suppose... info regarding
the dynamics of the fans would be appreciated.  the pj system is necessary
because there are not adequate numbers of people in the fan/ taper community
to make it work.  the system associated to the dead family of musicians works
exceptionally well.  and as a person who has literally almost one thousand
shows in his collection (yes needless for some of you , but lends credibility
for those who need some credentials ;)  i believe that there are a far
greater number of shows i would rather have an audience tape of than a
soundboard.  to supplement that desire for a board tape, the bands release
live board mixes all the time, but there is no need to release all of them.
i personally have every show of phish tour 1998, 1999, and 2000.  it takes
some time and effort, but it is well worth it because of the love i have for
the music. and it costs me about  $3.75 for each show inludin postage.  why
pay more?  why not do it out of love for the music?  i can tell you this from
lots of expereince, if you do something because you love it, then you will
appreciate the end result many fold more than simply forking over some cash
for it at the store.  sure it isn't for everyone, and i know i will shoot
this right over the top of some folks ( yeah you the one getting ready to
flame me :) ha ha please don't flame me!
for those of you out there with ears to hear and minds that are focusing on
what i am saying it is good.
the light is the way, and please remember
"his job is to shed light and not to master"  - robert hunter lyricist for
the grateful dead

adam black

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on friday, august 04, 2000 6:15 pm hst karenl1956@aol.com writes:

<snip>
>>i have my right to spend my money however i want too, and if i want to
spend 200.00 on an illegal boot for my listening pleasure, i'm entitled to
do just that.<<

i may be wrong, but i don't think anyone disputed your right to spend your
money anyway you want to.  the point most people were trying to make was the
fact that you usually don't have to because of the generosity of various
listees.  boot offers are often made to the list through the auspices of
"regulars" like neil, jude and, most recently, mike.  also, if you're
looking for a particular boot, you're often be able to procure it from
someone on the list by simply asking and setting up a trade.  anyway...i
think the ceiling here would definitely look better beige, don't you? (bonus
points to the listees who get that reference <g>)

my 2,
karen (yet another one on the list)

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date:         sat, 5 aug 2000 02:18:01 edt
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here's the deal.  ui haven't been trading for a while now because i've been
abroad and then been busy with my senior thesis.  i am taking the gre on
wednesday (wish me lots of luck!) so hopefully after that, my life will sort
of calm down.

but i am inspired by people like neil, tara, jude, mike, etc who are so
generous.  i don't have a cdr, so i can't do any massive cd boot project.
but i do realize that not everyone on this list (especially some of the newer
people) have "tuesday's children"and "color me grey" (ar solo), two of the
early (no longer available for sale for the band's profit!  of course some
loser on ebay can probably make a quick profit off these) "must have" boots.
so here is my offer. . . i am willing to make copies of these for newbies
(or others who don't have them).  i will take as many requests now as i can
accomodate.  if you don't get in this time, don't worry!!!  i will soon be
trading again (plus a lot of people on this list have these).

all i'll need from you is 2 60 min. tapes, and a self addressed stamped
envelope.  if you are interested, e-mail me soon.  i'll take as many requests
as i can sanely fill for now.  once you e-mail me, i'll send you my address.
simple.  i'm not making a profit, and you're not out $60!

i've been on this list for about 5 years now and have seen offers like this
for newbies in the past.  in fact, i think i started my boot collection some
five years ago because of an offer like this.  :-)

again, sorry i don't have a cd burner, but the tapes aren't bad quality at
all.

if you're interested, e-mail me soon!

:-) karen

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date:         sat, 5 aug 2000 02:29:35 edt
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hey,

one more quick comment.  i can only do 2 tapes per person at a time now (i am
still not officially trading yet), but i will offer "purple parrott" and
"blue food" (2 other early boots) at a later date.  so for now all i am
offering is "color me gray" and "tuesday's children."

and i'll be back to regular trading soon.  .  .

:-) karen

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this is not designed to hurt anyone's feelings, just to express my
exceptional disagreement with the philosophy herein.  i humbly accept any
necessary reproach.
adam

in a message dated 8/4/00 11:30:25 pm central daylight time,
karenl1956@aol.com writes:

> does this make me a bad fan?

imo?  i won't directly answer this, rather i will see if you (not karen, but
rather thoise with the philosophy expressed herein) want to asnwer it
yourselves.  this was asked rhetorically, meaning the only person you wish to
answer the question is you.  are you prepared to answer your question? are
you a bad fan?

>  well, maybe to some of you..but the
>  majority of you, if you had the money and the desire, you'd do the same.

majority? hmmm, i disagree. maybe a majority among people uninterested in
being involved in a community and getting things because of what they
contribute, but not the majority of ig fans.
let me just say that i for one have the money, and i used to buy bootleg cd's
when i was a kid (prince, cure, pearl jam etc...).  after i became educated
that the thing interesting about a bootleg is the word itself.  "bootleg" it
has a mystique dripping from it doesn't it?  all warm and fuzzily rebellious
to have those!   look it up or recall the history of prohibition...
regardless, eventually the narcotic effect of "oooh, i have, i have, i have"
wore off and i realized i do this for the sound on the disc not the selfish
hoard of music and certainly i don't do it to infuse money into the illegal
trading market. so i quit fretting about my addiction and started to enjoy
the tunes,and i shared them all i could possibly share and then kept on
sharing.  i wish this for all boot buyers.  anyone for joining boot buyers
anonymous?
:)

>  i'm sick of the self-righteousness of the posters here who will tree...i
>  don't want a tree..i want the origional, and if i want to pay 60 bucks for
>  it, well doggone it i'll do it, and i'll enjoy listening to it while y'all
>  are wishing someone would tree it for you.

why single aout a person who loves and believes in the music community enough
to run or participate in a tree and bash the s#&@ out of them?  that one i
will direct personally at karen, this was a very rude thing to do.  these
kids put alot of effort into sharing music you have no right to bash a fan on
this list for being a supportive member of the community.  sorry for the
irritation but this is just flat childish flialing at whomever one can strike.
you seem to be attempting to convey that the ig community does not actually
share the tunes?  but it seems to me that you (unintentionally i hope) are
conveying that you do not share the tunes.  maybe you should continue
indulging yourself at $60 a pop and show your love to the community by
providing seeds of the shows for trees.  or are you one of the folks on the
list who is a "real fan" but feels that you bought it so it is"mine, mine,
mine" instead of sharing just for the sake of sharing?  i hope that is not
so.  sharing the music is what the gift of music is all about.  that is why
the bands that allow it allow it.  to share the groove!

>  bottom line...my money, my listening pleasure.  free country.
>
>  love,  karen

free country, yes free to make the right or wrong decision.
that is closer to what it means to live in a free country than what you
imply.
free to make the right or wrong decision.
true love is sharing and compassionate not defensive.
i apologize to those who may take offense, these are opinions fairly stated
in response to a previous post.  only opinions take them or leave them.
not all who teach are self righteous.  this whole thread is too heavy partly
my posts... i'll lay off heavy for a bit.
adam
ps- private flames shall at my discretion be dissected and reposted to the
list.

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lr>from: lisa r <lisa071573@aol.com>
lr>
lr>in other words, give me a fucking break.. go read the courtney love article
lr>before even pretending to defend the major labels.

i did.  (it's the only thing that even caused me to halfway respect her.)  you
misread what i said.  i am not defending the record company indentured servitude
system in any way.  i'm saying that injustice of that system doesn't justify
another form of stealing from the artist.  if your argument is that trading and
selling booted shows and one-off tracks from compilations that are for sale are
your way of "sticking it to the record companies", does that mean you wouldn't
boot ani difranco?

lr>the damn record companies
lr>want to completely own everything and profit from everything. the only reason
lr>they're against mp3's and boots is cause they're not getting a cut...


so cut out the "evil middle man" and mail a check directly to the artist for
what you think they deserve for what you've acquired, or do you actually think
its value is $0.00?

lr>bootlegs are good and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

have enough maturity not to name-call people with whom you don't agree.

lr>ditto
lr>for mp3's - the same rule applies... no one is getting hurt by fans trading
lr>boots (or dl songs from the net).. we're not selling them so we're not making
lr>an illegal profit,

so acquiring something of value for free is never a crime.  is that your
argument?

kl>from: karenl1956@aol.com <karenl1956@aol.com>
kl>
kl>this
kl>is a free country, i have my right to spend my money however i want too, and
kl>if i want to spend 200.00 on an illegal boot for my listening pleasure, i'm
kl>entitled to do just that.

"officer, all i did was buy a watch off a guy in a parking lot.  i didn't steal
anything from anybody."  does that sound ok, too?

again, i'm not saying don't do it.  i'm saying don't lie to yourself about what
you're doing.

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because i am completely opposed to the selling of bootlegs and promos and i
believe music should be spread, i am offering up a b&p (but i will take a
trade--hint hint) to 3 listers & 3 digesters of any show from my list.
http://www.kariandsandy.com/otherartists

copy this e-mail and send it to me w/ the subject list "indigos b&p" lister
or digester.

more and more artists are seeing the value of letting fans tape shows.  for
myself, i can't travel to shows but i still want to hear them and trading
boots is the only.

kari

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found this one on ebay...for sale now.  i purchased it elsewhere years ago,
and its a fantastic cd..i listen to it all the time.  no, its not a
compilation...see this is what i mean, why should i lose out on such great
listening of my favorite music???  i'd never have had the joy of experiencing
it otherwise...

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good morning!  hope everyone's listening to their favorite tunes, kicking
back with a cup of coffee/tea, slowly facing the world.

two words: angela motter

check her out on the daemon site (daemon is down with...)
her cd 'pleasure and pain' is really great, an interesting mix of styles.
mm guests (hmmm, not a verb, but you get the point).


brenda :)

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woah!  ok, that was a lot of requests!  :-)  my newbie boot offer is closed
now, though.  i got as many requests as i can handle now.  if i replied to
you, no worries, you are in (i just sent the last of my replies).  if not, no
worries, i will soon be trading again.  :-)

thanks to all who replied with kind words, etc.  i do like trading and
copying, but lately, i have been so busy, that i have had no time.  anyway, i
hope that everyone i am copying for enjoys their boots!  :-)  and i think i
forgot to mention this in my reply e-mail, but if you have any further
questions, please e-mail me.

:-) karen

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in a message dated 8/5/00 10:10:50 am eastern daylight time,
karenl1956@aol.com writes:

<< found this one on ebay...for sale now.  i purchased it elsewhere years ago,
and its a fantastic cd..i listen to it all the time.  no, its not a
compilation...see this is what i mean, why should i lose out on such great
listening of my favorite music???  i'd never have had the joy of experiencing
it otherwise... >>

well first off never say never.  you didn't have to buy a bootleg to get the
music on it especially when you belong to a list that shares as much as this
one.  i dont have a problem with you buying it, i have a problem with the
person who is selling it.  they didn't have to the right to make the cd and
sell(keyword is sell)in their first place as the music is not theirs.

i always laugh when the seller writes in their description "very hard to
obtain and not many around"    if they are so hard to find then how come they
are for sale every week on ebay?  makes me wonder if this person is pressing
their own batch of "rare" cds.  how legitimate/ethical  is it to make a
profit off of something that isn't yours?  these sellers take advantage of
fans who collect "everything".  the only way to get around this is to make is
non-profitable for them since the only thing they are interested in is money.
the way to do that is to share it until everyone has it.  so instead of
extolling the wonders of this cd why don't you offer to share and tree it??

my $.02

indi

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check out a great interview with doria that talks about queerstock, lilith fair and more at www.gogirlsmusic.com...d:)


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this boot discussion has been going n since
thursday night, it's not dirrectly about ig anymore. could you please
take it to another forum?

thanks
barb

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please forgive my carrying on :) just trying to help some folks understand
the logistics of tape trading philosophy ( and thereby i felt directly ig fan
base content) apparently i am unaware of what makes something directly
relevant!
once again thanks for your understanding.
adam
in a message dated 8/5/00 3:05:44 pm central daylight time,
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> this boot discussion has been going n since
>  thursday night, it's not dirrectly about ig anymore. could you please
>  take it to another forum?
>
>  thanks
>  barb

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today was the happiest day at work.  this woman who is a regular customer
and a really cool person came in and asked "who's the person here who likes
the indigo girls?" (she knew there was a fan there because we put on uptown
lounge all the time.)  i told her that was me, and she gave me a swamp
ophelia shirt! so is my favorite ig album, and now not only do i finally
have the kick butt shirt, but it was free.  hooray for all things free and
hooray for nice people.

also, yesterday i was flipping through the radio stations in my car and i
came across some guy interviewing the band sister hazel.  i guess they were
talking about their newest album, and they were going to play a song live
and they introduced it by saying something like "emily saliers from the
indigo girls sang back-up on it for us." the dj sounded impressed by that,
and i thought that was cool considering it was a mainstream top 40 station.
i forget what the song was though.  does anyone know what this album is
called and if it's any good?  i liked the song and i'd love to hear it with
emily.

liz


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hi
i'm only able to make audio tapes. i'm looking for some good quality boots,
have plenty to trade
peace
duh pike

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is this for real? i did an info check on the person who is selling this cd
and the name didn't come up as gayle...it was another woman's name...and
then a man e-mailed me asking why i had looked up his info...so this is
looking sketchier and sketchier...
sharon

at 08:41 pm 8/4/2000 -0500, lynn gothard wrote:
>hello!  i have talked personally to gayle the owner of the ebay cd
>everyone is up in arms over!  it is genuine, for real and a silver disc
>promo.  there are 10 others available for $60 + postage.  why are you
>guys after this seller??  if you don't want to play ebay--don't go there
>and bid simple!  now----if anyone is interested n this real
>original 14 track promo email me!  don't bother gayle---  they wil be
>available in a few days so as originality can be looked at and verified
>before tzhey are shipped!! if interested email me -----
>opacity@webtv.net  ----- lynn  ---- ps  joe fortunate1 is in europe---so
>thus the reason he has not popped up on the list-----he also sells
>bootleged shows he has done and you guys like him----why don't you guy's
>rag him as well???  double standard here---don't be that way!  everyone
>is out to get their own ig collection---great!  go for it, have fun but
>don't begrudge others  for paying for what they want and getting it!

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you are right!   too much  shit  on the bootleg thing!   get over it!
talk about good stuff! this is the ig list not the flamers & argument
list as you guys are making it! whew!  to much energy spent on things
that are  personal to each fan!   and the disection of emails someone
has sent in is  boring and useless &  childish! and for the last point
here-------if you don't agree with ebay don't go there!  simple!  then
you won't have this stupid conversation on the list!  can we start a new
vein of conversation on the girls??????????????----  the sole purpose of
this list?!!!!!   lynn

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it's called fortress. the song is called champange high. there is even a
clip of emily in the studio w/ the guys on the multi-media version.
the disc is amazing.
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>
>also, yesterday i was flipping through the radio stations in my car and i
>came across some guy interviewing the band sister hazel.
*snip*
> i forget what the song was though.  does anyone know what this album is
>called and if it's any good?  i liked the song and i'd love to hear it with
>emily.
>
>liz
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does anybody know if the new ig video will
have any of the post sots ig videos tacked
on? i hope they do put them in there, i haven't seen hardly any of
those, except shame on you. (i don't have cable tv.)

peace
barb

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does anyone have boots from the following shows?

lilith fair '98 - columbus
suffragette sessions - cincinnati
lilith fair '99 - both atlanta shows, cincinnati, columbus
bumbershoot '99
jammin' on main 2000

my list is up at http://www.geocities.com/massiveblur80/boots.html if you
wanna trade.

peace tonight.
liz


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hey,

i am looking fo three boots:
1. lexington, ky, university of kentucky, spring of 1998 (kim and rhea will
remember this and why i want it so badly....hehe)
2. richmond, ky, eastern kentucky university, spring 2000 (ya know, when they
played clampdown).
3. highland park, illinois, ravinia fest, june 2000 (the crowd sucked, but
the show was good)

i am willing to trade or do the sase/blank thing.

:-) karen

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i just wanted to say that it is great to be back...i feel much better as a
person now...
so what huge things have i missed?
who all is going to the pittsburgh show, and the albany show?
i will be at both...
i am sooooooooooo excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
is there gonna be a listmeet for either of these shows?
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> who all is going to the pittsburgh show, and the
albany show?<


i'll be at the albany show early...about noon...maybe
a touch earlier.  there will also be about four or
five members of the epic board there and i'm going to
have a sign for them...if y'all want me to do one for
anyone from this board...cool with me!  i hear you
about being excited, but i'm really trying to enjoy
these days leading up to it as they usually go sooooo
fast!!!

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here is the  schedule for the show 2 nites of sci 2 sets each nite!!!
gates open 12:00 noon on tues

8/8  4:00  yonder mt               big wu in the barn
       5:30  spearhead
        7:30  fist set cheese
        9;30   2nd set
8/9    4:00 strewed mulligan
         5:30  ed and dave from hookah
         7;30   1 cheese
          9;30 2 cheese

fat apple in the late nite lounge both nites
advance tiks on sale untill mon .please no dogs.
check the website for more info   <a
href="http://www.baysoft.net/prod+/sci.html">incident in the hills</a>
tapers welcome,all ages.children under 12 free camping and parking included
in ticket price $35 in advance and $45 at the gate sorry for the off topic
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hey all,


i am going to the albany show. i live in brooklyn, and am bring a newbie from
calgary with me.

she has never heard the girls before!!!!!

i figured that  a live acoustic show would be the best way to show here what
they're all about

so yea, lets get a meet going


joe
brooklyn,ny

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the albany show,


i was told that it is a night show 7:30pm .

what is this about noon?

joe
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hi carrie,

i'm glad you're feeling better about yourself,
and that you are back, i love your posts!
they are good reading material.

peace
barb

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i'm glad you're bringing a sign for the albany show, i would love to
have my name on it,

peace
barb

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anyone interested in some very good books in very good condition, with a
reasonable price,
let  me know.  i'm trying to raise money for myself to go to chiapas,
presently i have about
35 all for $2.00 each.  if you or anyone you know is intrested let me
know.

for the ig content, they are n support of the people in chiapas the
people have been organizing to get good education, food, clothing,
shelter, jobs. and they have arts and crafts collectives to run their
own villages, but
their women get harassed by the military  which completely surrounds a
lot of villages the harassment happens while the women try to get the
supplies they need to do the art co-operatives.

i want to go on a delegation  to gather information, meet people, and
come back, and
take what i learn  back to communities in minnesota. and do whatever i
can to support the struggle in chiapas. so the money for the books will
go towards a very good cause.

thank you for your time, oh, and i need to raise
$1,300. by november so any contribution  would be apprecitaed.

thankyou all,

and peace
barb


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well, i'm off to michigan and very excited to see ig.
if you see me say hi. i have curly reddish brown hair,
white, 19y.o., about 5.7. i will have my daemon and
suffragette shirts and a good way to identify me is i
have a tattoo right above my chest. black, right down
the middle tribal looking thing.

see you there!
julie :)

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i know where the car is parked
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i wouldn't mind started up some sort of boot traders email list on
egroups...or is there already one?

my collection is small and almost all tapes, but i would mind sharing and
trading.

if there's any interest, i just created a list.
http://www.egroups.com/group/igbooters
with the email address  igbooters@egroups.com

the name isn't the greatest, but it was the first thing that came to mind.
email me for more info, comments, questions, etc.

-mel w

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that should be "i wouldn't mind" of course, because if i minded, why would i
have started this list.

(:
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okay i'm getting requests for titles.  so for all who are interested
here they are:

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here is a list of the books i am selling:

!. the good book:reading the bible with mind
    and heart by peter j gomes

2. personal finance  by garmen eckert
     forgue
3.scottish battles and border ballads, by michael  brander

4.  garden of memory by kate douglas wiggin (the author of rebecca of
sunnybrook farm.)

5.  fatherhood, by paul reiser

6.  last standing woman by winona a duke

7.  against forgetting:twentieth century poetry
     of witness, by carolyn, forsche'

8. collected stories of o.henry unabridged & illustrated.

9.  crossing borders by rigoberta menchu' (the sequel to i rigoberta
menchu")

10  tyranny o kindness: dismantling the welfare system to end poverty in
america by
theresa funiciello

11.  ohitika woman by mary brave bird (the sequel to lakota woman)

12.  josephine baker by bryan hammond

13    freedom in exile the autobiography of
        the dalai lama

14    coins of england and the united kingdom

15.   peoples of the golden triangle by paul
        and elaine lewis

16.   martin luther king jr. by jean darby

17    for yourself: the fulfillment of female
        sexuality

18    iww songs to fan the flames of discontent

19.   iww songs 1923

20   from lilith to lilith fair

21   indians are us? by ward churchill

22. travellers history of scotland by andrew fisher

23.  meditations on the monk who dwells in daily life by thomas moore

24   fossils:how to find and identify them

25.  women and social movements in latin america: power from below by
lyn stephen

26   woman's book of days

27    native roots how indians enriched america by jack weatherford

28.    xena: the huntress and the sphinx   (this is a novel, they call
t"xena  fan fiction")

29   black elk: the sacred ways of a lakota by
       wallace black elk

30.  celtic mythology by david bellingham

31.  the white goddess engagemment diary 1998  (trust me this really
good. it has info on the history of the days of the week where they come
from,  it will tell you that we not only have
horoscopes, but we also can be identified wth  certain tree as well.
there's a whole lot of nteresting facts  it is not writen  in.)

32 women who dared  ( this is a book of post cards with famous women.)

33  child star: an autobiography of shirley temple black

34. the history of western art  (this is very comprehensive and it's
oversized. but it's great
if you are an art lover.)

35  doll values antique modern

36. lies nmy teacher told me: everythig that american textbooks got
wrong

37.  i am your jesus of mercy vol2

38. vision:the life and music of hildegard von bingen  (comes with a cd
in great shape)

39  bury me standing: the gypsies and their journey, by isabel fonseca

40  coins of the world (this contains info on coins in all coutries,
it's oversized,  hardback)

41. not without my daughter by betty mahmoody

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i'm always up for trading ig boots!! here's my list (if you only want ig
boots, scroll down to the link on my page) <a
href="http://www.gurlpages.com/music/k.munson/index.html">kisha's world
o'bootleg and rarities trading page</a>

xo
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hey y'all.  i would like to do this also.  since karen offered up color me
gray and tuesday's children, i would like to offer blue food, purple
parrot, and the white dot.   same deal as karen...email me if you're
interested and i'll fill as many requests as i can.

liz

at 02:19 am 8/5/00 -0400, indigokare@aol.com wrote:

>but i do realize that not everyone on this list (especially some of the newer
>people) have "tuesday's children"and "color me grey" (ar solo), two of the
>early (no longer available for sale for the band's profit!  of course some
>loser on ebay can probably make a quick profit off these) "must have" boots.
> so here is my offer. . . i am willing to make copies of these for newbies
>(or others who don't have them).  i will take as many requests now as i can
>accomodate.  if you don't get in this time, don't worry!!!  i will soon be
>trading again (plus a lot of people on this list have these).
>

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hey kind friends.  just wondering if anyone out there has anything by these
bands that they would be willing to trade for ig boots.  equation is a
british folk act that is sooooooo awesome it makes me want to ......anyway,
if you've heard of them and have some of thier music let me know!
thanks,
joey

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ok from what i understand this a free outdoor show? am i correct?
well my friend from texas we are driving right from pittsburgh to
albany...crashing somewhere for a few hours, and getting freshened up and
ready to hang out in line...i will be wearing a navy/burgandy/green/cream
striped tank top and i havnt decided on jeans or khakis yet...i am on the
taller side, and have shorter hair...
i am not sure what time me and tracy plan on being there,but early is
definately the plan...i think we are gonna have a guitar with us for a good
part of the day too...
i am so friggin excited i can barely stand it...and i am not sure what i am
more excited about, seeing the girls, or meeting one of my bestest
friends...this is going to be an awesome weekend...i can't wait....
i get to meet list and epicboard members!!!!!!  woohoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if anyone can offer any info about good cheap hotels in the albany area it
would be greatly appreaciated...
peace and love,
          carrie

p.s.  barb, thanks for the welcome back...i'm gald to think someone reads my
silly ol' posts...lol
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arrrg.  during my move from college to home, i somehow misplaced my white dot
boot.  would anyone be willing to copy it for me?  it would probably be
easier for me to just send a blank tape and a postage paid padded envelope to
you because i have a lot of copying to do during the next few weeks.  :-)

thanks!

:-) karen

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hey all-

i have a guitar in mi that i need to get to ut.  i'll be flying to ut next
friday.  i really really don't want to have to go buy a really expensive
case to take this guitar to ut.  so the question is, does anyone know if you
can carry on a guitar or pay a fee to have it stored in that closet in the
front of the plane or anything like that?

thanks, y'all!

chris ii

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hey all,
        for everyone lucky enough to be catching ig for these dates, i got this
email from michelle malone saying she'll be opening for them, so i thought
i'd pass it on:

hey everyone,
here are a few date changes we wanted to make sure you knew about!
take care and thanks as always for your support.
sbs records
aug 11 pittsburgh, pa- i.c. light amphitheatre  opening for indigo girls
aug 12  albany, ny-empire state theatre   opening for indigo girls
aug 13 cleveland, oh- nautica theatre   opening for indigo girls

i'll be recovering from major dental surgery over these dates, so i'll be
thinking of the good times y'all will be having at these shows to try and
keep my spirits up.
enjoy,
michelle

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the ig private concert recorded in berkeley last month is being broadcast
in its entirety on kfog live from the archives, this wed at 8p. here's the
link for more info and how to listen in:
http://www.kfog.com/program/index.htm

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the ig private concert recorded in berkeley last month is being broadcast
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hey,

will someone please please record this?  damn, i wish i were already back in
berkeley (soon soon soon).

:-) karen

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<< will someone please please record this?  damn, i wish i were already back
in
berkeley (soon soon soon). >>

yup....i'll be recording this for anyone that can't/doesn't have access.
~jenn

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<<  if your argument is that trading and
selling booted shows and one-off tracks from compilations that are for sale
are
your way of "sticking it to the record companies" >>

honey, you missed the point of my argument.. my point was that bootlegs
and/or downloading is not stealing... it's giving away a sample which in turn
causes people to go buy the artist's work... in most cases - excluding
metallica - artists do provide sampler cd's or free mp3's to spread their
music that would generally go unheard on commercial radio. my point about the
record companies is that they are the ones getting pissy with boots and
napster - not the artists themselves.. that is how the record companies fit
into this thing at all... they are the one making the fuss, not the artists..

i can give you the names of a dozen artists who provide free cd samplers or
free mp3's (richard shindell, barbara kessler, allette brooks, rose
polenzani, jill sobule to name only a few..) just the other day i posted a
note from michelle malone saying she's encouraging people to boot her shows.
the indigo girls don't care that people boot, melissa etheridge has said she
doesn't mind people trading boots, tori amos' tour was sponsored by
mp3.com... etc. etc. etc.

and when i said that bootlegs are good and anyone who doesn't think so is a
fool... i was not insulting you.. i was insulting everyone who does not see
the wisdom in what bootleg trading and the net are -  giant ways of
distributing music.. the more people who hear it means the more people are
going to pay money for the actual cd - plain and simple. i go back to what
courtney love said - the people who are afraid of napster are afraid of their
own filler.. they're afraid people are going to know they have three songs
that suck and therefore won't buy the cd.. artists with real talent - like
the indigo girls - have no reason to fear mp3's or boots.

again, if you want to stand on your high horse and "admit to stealing" b/c
you think that's what it is, have a ball... what i'm doing  is spreading
music of the artists i adore so that more people will go buy their cd's and
go see them tour to support them.. i've offered the list (and other lists)
samplers of two of my favorite - rather unknown - artists to try to spread
their music.. and both allette brooks and barbara kessler have been made
aware of it by me and neither mind... they want their music to be heard by as
many people as possible...

and yeah, i boot ani shows too... and i own all her cd's and every
compilation i can get my hands on of hers.. my goal is not to "stick it to
the record companies" but to fully enjoy the artist and everything he/she
does...

lisa
(on a personal booting note, to all i'm doing b&p's for.. i'm doing a bit of
traveling this week for work so your tapes might take an extra few days to
turn around but i hope to still get everyone's back in the mail w/in a week
or reciept.)

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date:         mon, 7 aug 2000 04:20:33 -0400
reply-to:     ron mcbay <usul@mindspring.com>
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lr>from: lisa r <lisa071573@aol.com>

lr>
lr>honey,

please skip the condescending moniker and argue your points with respect.

lr>you missed the point of my argument.. my point was that bootlegs
lr>and/or downloading is not stealing...

you missed my point.  acquiring something of value for free that wasn't
explicitly offered for free _is_ stealing.  the artist's "consent" after the
fact (and i would argue that saying, "i don't mind if people boot my shows"
isn't really consent, but rather a response to an infringement that they don't
consider worth prosecuting) doesn't change that.

lr>it's giving away a sample which in turn
lr>causes people to go buy the artist's work...

again, the consequences of sharing boots are irrelevant to whether or not it's
stealing.

lr>my point about the
lr>record companies is that they are the ones getting pissy with boots and
lr>napster - not the artists themselves.. that is how the record companies fit
lr>into this thing at all... they are the one making the fuss, not the artists..


again, who is arguing is irrelevant to whether or not it's stealing.


lr>i go back to what
lr>courtney love said - the people who are afraid of napster are afraid of their
lr>own filler.. they're afraid people are going to know they have three songs
lr>that suck and therefore won't buy the cd.. artists with real talent - like
lr>the indigo girls - have no reason to fear mp3's or boots.


so one-hit wonders don't "deserve" to be paid for their one crowning
achievement?  ask the people who wrote "louie, louie" if they think they are
owed the royalties that were signed away (to an "evil record company").  if i
was the person who wrote "money" ("some people got to have it" -- that one),
which gets sampled and used in so many soundtracks it's not funny, i don't think
i'd agree that it should be counted as a "free introductory sample" to entice
people to buy the rest of my catalogue.

lr>what i'm doing  is spreading
lr>music of the artists i adore so that more people will go buy their cd's and
lr>go see them tour to support them.

what you're doing is spreading property that isn't yours, that you acquired for
free without its being explicitly given to you for free, to people who would pay
for it if that was their only alternative.  your motives justify your methods in
your own head, but don't lie to yourself about the facts of what you're doing.

lr>i've offered the list (and other lists)
lr>samplers of two of my favorite - rather unknown - artists to try to spread
lr>their music.. and both allette brooks and barbara kessler have been made
lr>aware of it by me and neither mind... they want their music to be heard by as
lr>many people as possible...


if they directly provided you with the free samples and explicitly told you to
spread them around for free, then that's a different story.  they've made the
choice about how to market themselves and are gambling that it isn't the best
that they'll produce in the long run.  that's entirely their prerogative, not
yours.  i'm talking about artists who haven't given their work for free but who
are being traded and having revenue robbed of them at the discretion of "fans"
who think that the availability of tracks for free equals a right to have them.

-- ron

p.s.  i've made all the points i want (need) to make.  we should probably take
this off-line at this point.
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date:         mon, 7 aug 2000 06:08:00 -0400
reply-to:     "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
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from:         "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
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ahhh... the joys of going away and coming back to an inboxful of email...

cutting and pasting from a few messages:

<<has anyone seen this?
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=394993894
it's a "promo" called out all night.>>
<<it's a sony music label, not epic. all it says is "sony music promotional
use only- not labeled for retail sale". and that is the circular print on
the cd itself. there is a sony music symbol along with a barcode on the
back.>>

bzzzzzt! wrong!
it's clearly not in the style of sony music releases. font, label art (and
disc artwork taken from websites!!) the wording, _everything_ says 'home
made' to me. i could tell just by looking at the scans that it's not legit.
not in any shape or form. (also looking at the seller's current auction,
also a boot...)

<<hello!  i have talked personally to gayle the owner of the ebay cd
everyone is up in arms over!  it is genuine, for real and a silver disc
promo.>>

bzzzzzt! wrong! bad.
if this promo is so rare and so official, why has one person got ten copies
but ~no other legitimate promo dealer has any~.

i am _so_ sure of this i will happily give $500 to charity if i recieve
irrefutable proof that this is an authorized sony promo (disc and artwork as
shown on the above url). and just 'cause it's a silver disc don't mean it's
official.

<<if you don't want to play ebay--don't go there>>

oh please - cry me a river.
if you don't want to take heat for selling bootlegs, don't do it.

- it's one thing to trade boots. amy and emily seem to be cool with that.
- it's another thing to sell boots. they ('official', commercially
distributed boots, not homemade only-sold-on-ebay ones) may have value as
collectables, if not for the musical content.
- it's plain evil and wrong to sell boots and pass them off as legit.

i have my own theory on the background to this disc. it's just a theory, but
i like it. i'd be happy to discuss this off-list with interested parties.

back in a mo...

@}--,--'---

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:o)

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date:         mon, 7 aug 2000 06:29:11 -0400
reply-to:     "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
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from:         "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
subject:      more promos - official this time...
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and speaking of promos - the 4/4/00 columbia records radio hour show has
turned up (as predicted by moi) on an official radio show promo cdr. yup,
cdr, but official nonetheless. you can count on it being in my next boot
offer (more details in my next message):

where to get this?
try:
eil.com - often pricey, but always a good stock (crazy game 7" for $400
anyone??)
neil.gemm.com
slcd.com - they also have the best price i've seen for the 'cold beer'
promo.

indigo girls the columbia records radio hour
(mediaamerica us promo-only cd radio show also feat the jayhawks
col-1-1-000417)
rare live performance with both groups for radio broadcast
tracks are:
jayhawks
1. break in the clouds
2. waiting for the sun
3. what led me to this town
4. two hearts
5. blue
6. i'm gonna make you love me -with indigo girls

indigo girls
1. go
2. soon to be nothing
3. gone again
4. peace tonight
5. kid fears
6. galileo
7. you don't miss your water - jayhawks
broadcast from doppler studios atlanta georgia

this can be seen here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=395809104&ed=96551539
9

www.andineil.com
:o)

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date:         mon, 7 aug 2000 06:43:48 -0400
reply-to:     "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
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me again. jet lag is a beautiful thing.

i'm looking for ideas (and volunteers) on how to tree my upcoming offer. it
might be 10+ discs. it might not - depending on what i get done. so i don't
know if i should do what i did last time, or whether i should have different
volunteers for each cd. i suppose i could also let these out at different
times, instead of all at once. ideas please?

here's what i need though:
the december 27 1998 show at eddie's attic

and here's what's coming:

attack of the killer b-sides volume five

the columbia records radio hour - anyone have ideas for suitable bonus
tracks?? world cafe??

in with the complicated girls crowd - an expanded and upgraded version of
two popular bootleg cds:
shepherd's bush '94 (or 'in with the out crowd' expanded) - the _whole_ show
(on 2 cdrs) with about half coming from soundboard sources (and not just
iwtoc) with the rest from a pretty good audience recording all blended
together for the best available concert experience.
3 days in june - the complete uk tour of 1995 - two radio shows, a tv show
and the glastonbury gig - the latter newly upgraded from the complicated
girls discs. oh, and they played closer to fine for each one. yummy.

peabody's downunder - a nifty radio broadcast concert from '89

indigo originals - probably 2cds, although a lot does repeat from the early
recordings series (does anyone know where my early recordings discs are??),
so...

paper viewed - the great woods show and the toronto lilith fair. (2cd)

on and i'm still (as always, but it's worth a shot) looking for emily's solo
tape from the early 80s, and the great american music hall show from '92 -
complete confidentiality assured, naturally...

@}--,--'---


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:o)

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date:         mon, 7 aug 2000 14:23:02 +0200
reply-to:     "i am 32 flavors and then some..." <tisara@www.webworqs.com>
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subject:      birthdays (augst 7th - august 13th, 2000)
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august 10, 1969. :)
foxmuldr@indy.net (rick hodgin)

august 10 ('78)
s-laufer@nwu.edu (sari)

august 10 ('75)
reposa@scf-fs.usc.edu (jeanette)
"so what is love then, is it dictated or chosen?  does it sing like
the hymns of 1000 years or is it just pop emotion?  and if it was ever
here and it left does it mean it never was true?"

august 11
chris talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>

august 12
bf2brland@sprintmail.com  barb!
(happy anniversary barb & twink!)


have a lovely day celebrating!  may the girls be with you! *hee*

love,
audra
bge


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date:         mon, 7 aug 2000 14:49:45 gmt
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subject:      ig boot thanks/nigc
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hey all! happy monday! i really wanted to express w/ enormous grattitude
towards everyone on this list who has so willingly, excitingly, and kindly
offered to make boots for the rest of us on the list!! this spirit of caring
and unselfishness is truly rare in the world today, esp among 'intimate
strangers'! i know many of us appreciate all the work, dedication,
enthusiasm, and time given to making these boots of our girls! i for one
have no boots so i am excited to get some tapes and cds and send em out to
get some boots! to all those past and present who has done things like this
for any of us, my thanks and the thanks of many others im sure, go out to
all of you in a massive way!! thank you!

as for the nigc stuff, here is a link about dick cheyney's daughter (a
lesbian for those who don't know) and her presence at the gop convention.
not long at all, just a little tid bit about it!

god bless and have a wonderful day!

cara

<http://www.advocate.com/html/news/080400/080400news01.html>
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date:         mon, 7 aug 2000 12:06:02 edt
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i just saw michelle malone at eddie's and now all of the sudden she's going to be at the same ig shows i'm going to! how sweet is that!?
i got a really good boot of the eddie's attic show (which rocked all night-both shows-hello!) but, as i am on vacation, i can't keep up with addresses of who wants what to trade for etcetcetc. i can barely keep up with the addy's of the girls i met @ eddie's that night who want bootlegs (fortunately one of them's email is easy too remember. hey danielle!) anyway, i'm rambling. just don't email me now. web mail sucks @$$ and it's hard enough fishing through other stuff but i promise i'll send a mailer out in a couple of weeks when i'm home and settled to let y'all know i'm ready to boot and how you want to set up trades for boots or blanks. doesn't matter to me.
this is gonna be cool. ig for the 1st time and mm for the 3rd. i'm stoked.

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i'll be with miss carrie knepp at the pitts and albany show. i'm all for a meet after (or before?) the albany show. and, just as a shameless plea, if anyone has a hotel that they wouldn't mind sharing (we'll pay our share of course).  it's just that we were gonna bring a tent and we're begging for someone's back yard. (i'm sorry carrie, i love camping, but i would rather make a pallet on the floor of some hotel room with a shower:) )

i promise we won't pitch the tent in the hotel room:)

any luck?

just thought i'd ask
hope carrie doesn't kill me...
-earthgrrl0@aol.com

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date:         mon, 7 aug 2000 12:37:37 -0400
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hello,
        is anyone interested in buying my "back on the bus" longbox? it's
still sealed and everything. not in perfect condion..maybe a few teeny
bends in the box, but other than that it's in good shape.
if anyone is interested in it let me know. thanks!


-heather

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hey gang -

just your weekly t-shirt reminder. one week left to order, so please do
it soon if you want one. so far, i only have 129 orders, although i had
interest in about 170 shirts.

the link to order online is:
http://www.indigirl.com/order.html

if that doesn't work, feel free to email me your order.

you can pay either by check/money order/cash, or by paypal. it's free
to sign up, and you get a $5 credit if you're a new customer:

https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=amy%40indigirl.com

as always, email me with any questions.

love,
amy


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however, today i did..mistake. i am having a -2 * day....pretty sad. =
anyway. i tried to ignore it. my car would not start, finally it did...my =
left rear tire is very low ( i ignored it the 35 mile drive to work) . get =
here and they did " upgrades " over the weekend to my pc's ( 2) and =
neither one of them works correctly. the three databases i created and use =
non stop are dead until further notice.=20
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things...one however, small manila envelope with a return addy of " =
n_d_go@hotmail.com"

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email me traci...anyway...i am sitting here dreading going to the doc in a =
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on...tangled up in blue....

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on another list and wanted to apologize for the events a few years =
back...hoped i was well and that my new love was doing well too............=


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hooked on dar williams and i got her hooked on ig.  just kinda makes me =
sit back, grin a bit and listen to the words all over again to their =
songs, original and covers......

sparkie.....

thank you traci!!!!!!!

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date:         mon, 7 aug 2000 15:09:44 edt
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from:         lisa r <lisa071573@aol.com>
subject:      kfog (and the last of the booting comments)
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<< i've made all the points i want (need) to make.  we should probably take
this off-line at this point. >>

fine sweetie, whatever...
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here's all the kfog info:
aug 09 - wed    8pm

    kfog's "live from the archives" will broadcast the
    recent kfog private concert with the indigo girls,
    recorded a few weeks ago at fantasy studios.

    if you are in the bay area, listen on the radio at
    104.5 fm  or  97.7 fm.

    or listen on the web at:
    <http://www.broadcast.com/radio/adult_album_alternative/kfog/>

    more information on the web at <http://www.kfog.com/>

lisa

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date:         mon, 7 aug 2000 15:28:26 edt
reply-to:     carrie knepp <ig4me@hotmail.com>
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from:         carrie knepp <ig4me@hotmail.com>
subject:      re: albany & pitt shows
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nope i wont kill you!!!  good thinking trac!!!!!!

from: earthgrrl0@aol.com
reply-to: earthgrrl0@aol.com
to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
subject: albany & pitt shows
date: mon, 7 aug 2000 12:18:19 edt

i'll be with miss carrie knepp at the pitts and albany show. i'm all for a
meet after (or before?) the albany show. and, just as a shameless plea, if
anyone has a hotel that they wouldn't mind sharing (we'll pay our share of
course).  it's just that we were gonna bring a tent and we're begging for
someone's back yard. (i'm sorry carrie, i love camping, but i would rather
make a pallet on the floor of some hotel room with a shower:) )

i promise we won't pitch the tent in the hotel room:)

any luck?

just thought i'd ask
hope carrie doesn't kill me...
-earthgrrl0@aol.com

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date:         mon, 7 aug 2000 20:32:19 gmt
reply-to:     amy kaspari <indifan@hotmail.com>
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from:         amy kaspari <indifan@hotmail.com>
subject:      re: ig boot thanks/nigc
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i second cara's statements.  i'm just trying to get a collection started and
i really appreciate the offers you've all made to help me out!  i was
unaware that all these songs were available out there until i joined this
list!  now i'm going crazy knowing that i'm missing out on so many songs the
girls have done!!!  it's very generous of all of you to donate so much of
your time.

thank you!

amy


>from: cara klein <cowsrule52@hotmail.com>
>reply-to: cara klein <cowsrule52@hotmail.com>
>to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
>subject: ig boot thanks/nigc
>date: mon, 7 aug 2000 14:49:45 gmt
>
>hey all! happy monday! i really wanted to express w/ enormous grattitude
>towards everyone on this list who has so willingly, excitingly, and kindly
>offered to make boots for the rest of us on the list!! this spirit of
>caring
>and unselfishness is truly rare in the world today, esp among 'intimate
>strangers'! i know many of us appreciate all the work, dedication,
>enthusiasm, and time given to making these boots of our girls! i for one
>have no boots so i am excited to get some tapes and cds and send em out to
>get some boots! to all those past and present who has done things like this
>for any of us, my thanks and the thanks of many others im sure, go out to
>all of you in a massive way!! thank you!
>
>as for the nigc stuff, here is a link about dick cheyney's daughter (a
>lesbian for those who don't know) and her presence at the gop convention.
>not long at all, just a little tid bit about it!
>
>god bless and have a wonderful day!
>
>cara
>
><http://www.advocate.com/html/news/080400/080400news01.html>
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date:         mon, 7 aug 2000 16:50:50 -0400
reply-to:     kelly fairbairn <fairbk@sage.edu>
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from:         kelly fairbairn <fairbk@sage.edu>
subject:      albany info
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hey everyone!

here's some info for albany:

hotel rooms might be hard to come by.  saratoga raceway (thoroughbred
racing) opened the last weekend in july, and with the track season comes a
lot of people who stay in the area.  in downtown itself, there's only a
couple of places.  the crown plaza is nice but expensive.  there's a
ramada downtown, too, but it's kind of sketchy.  if you need info, e-mail
me off-list, and i'll try to think up some other alternatives in the
meantime.

time:  i've heard 6:30, i've heard 7:30.  i've got an e-mail into the
folks who are putting on the show and expect to hear from them soon. :-)

rainsite:  i'm also checking on that.  since it's been so rainy here this
summer, there's a chance it might rain this weekend.  i'll let you know
what i hear.  so far the forecast is saying partly cloudy, but who knows?

when to meet:  i'll be there early, so if you see a girl with a yankee hat
on and glasses, come say hi!

kelly

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
kelly fairbairn
senior library specialist
periodicals
sage troy campus library

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date:         mon, 7 aug 2000 19:56:45 -0400
reply-to:     mike reynolds <io20742@exploremaine.com>
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from:         mike reynolds <io20742@exploremaine.com>
subject:      re: boot email list?
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i actually got the revelation for a ig boot discussion list over the
weekend.

i'll start it - any co-conspirators?

(peering at thatcoolbritishguy...)
mike reynolds
http://www.uppity-disability.net/
"..let me speak the word that precedes bliss"
-tracy chapman
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from: <melijoy@aol.com>
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sent: sunday, august 06, 2000 3:16 pm
subject: boot email list?


> i wouldn't mind started up some sort of boot traders email list on
> egroups...or is there already one?
>
> my collection is small and almost all tapes, but i would mind sharing and
> trading.
>
> if there's any interest, i just created a list.
> http://www.egroups.com/group/igbooters
> with the email address  igbooters@egroups.com
>
> the name isn't the greatest, but it was the first thing that came to mind.
> email me for more info, comments, questions, etc.
>
> -mel w
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