lifeblood: listlogs: 2000-09e


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date:         fri, 29 sep 2000 02:20:08 gmt
reply-to:     warrior princess <rls_warrior@hotmail.com>
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just something i thought you all might find amusing

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dear dr. laura,

thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding god's law. i have
learned a great deal from your show, and i try to share that knowledge
with
as many people as i can. when someone tries to defend the homosexual
lifestyle, for example, i simply remind him that leviticus 18:22 clearly
states it to be an abomination. end of debate. i do need some advice from
you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them.

a) when i burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, i know it creates a
pleasing odor for the lord (lev. 1:9). the problem is my neighbors they
claim the odour is not pleasing to them. should i smite them?

b) i would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in exodus
21:7. in this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for
her?

c) i know that i am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanness (lev. 15:19-24). the problem is, how do i
tell? i have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) lev. 25:44 states that i may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female,
provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. a friend of mine
claims that this applies to mexicans, but not canadians. can you clarify?
why can't i own canadians?

e) i have a neighbor who insists on working on the sabbath. exodus 35:2
clearly states he should be put to death. am i morally obligated to kill
him
myself?

f) a friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination (lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. i
don't agree.  can you settle this?

g) lev. 21:20 states that i may not approach the altar of god if i have a
defect in my sight. i have to admit that i wear reading glasses. does my
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around
their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by lev.19:27. how
should they die?

i) i know from lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may i still play football if i wear gloves?

j) my uncle has a farm. he violates lev. 19:19 by planting two different
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two
different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). he also tends to curse
and blaspheme a lot. is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble
of
getting the whole town together to stone them? (lev.24:10-16) couldn't  we
just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people
who sleep with their in-laws? (lev.20:14).

i know you have studied these things extensively, so i am confident you
can
help. thank you again for reminding us that god's word is eternal and
unchanging.


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date:         thu, 28 sep 2000 22:38:03 edt
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subject:      back to school boogie (off topic) 9/30
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  the 10th annual back to school boogie in frederick md camping vending all
ages
festival with dead cover bands, funk, jazz, and jambands including the next
step ,living earth,jello all stars, macgregor,fat apple and more  one of the
last outdoor fests of the summer for more info   <a
href="http://www.baysoft.net/prod+btsb">back to school boogie</a>    check
the website
thanks for the bandwidth

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date:         thu, 28 sep 2000 22:42:12 edt
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sorry i sent the wrong url  <a href="http://www.baysoft.net/prod+/btsb.html">b
ack to school boogie</a> .try this
thanks again

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date:         wed, 27 sep 2000 16:39:07 -0500
reply-to:     loralei riney <loralei.riney@bannerhealth.com>
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subject:      trying for the 5th time to get ot hob
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okay so i am trying and it has been buffering and then tells me elapsed time and then that connection is lost.
i am trying to get to it here at work as i don't have a pc at home. am i doing some thing wrong. i am using the media player.windows....sparkie

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date:         fri, 29 sep 2000 09:39:54 -0500
reply-to:     "s. t. r." <strosenblum@students.wisc.edu>
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subject:      indigo sightings
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indigo girls are mentioned two times in the current issue of 'bust,' a
great publication, by the way. the new album is reviewed and so is the
daemon 10 year video tape thingy. one of the reviews is done by amy's
girlfriend who seems positively devoted to publicizing their sex life.

also, they are mentioned briefy in barbie's queer accessories by erica rand
(a pretty f*cking cool book--if you like barbie dolls and queer
subversions. and who doesn't?)

lastly, there is a whole essay devoted to just what makes amy hot in
"surface tension"

oh-oh, one more, in 'susie sexpert's lesbian sex world they are briefly
mentioned.

now that you all know the entire contents of my library......

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date:         fri, 29 sep 2000 10:47:59 cdt
reply-to:     traci drago <n_d_go_grl@hotmail.com>
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subject:      new songs
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hey all,

i am sure this has been requested before, but does anyone have the two new
songs on cd or mp3?  i would especially like to have "leaving".  if someone
has a boot of a recent show where they were performed, we could set up a
trade.  please email privately.

traci drago
st. louis, mo
also at n_d_go@hotmail.com

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*  "in georgia nights are softer than a whisper  *
*  beneath a quilt somebody's mother made by     *
*  hand with the farmland like a tapestry passed *
*  down through generations and the peach trees  *
*  stitched across the land"                     *
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date:         fri, 29 sep 2000 11:52:36 -0400
reply-to:     elaine bean <bean@neu.edu>
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i hate being a "me too"-er, but if this is the worse thing i do today,
then i'm doing o.k.  could i get in on this as well?  i'd prefer at this
time to do a blank & postage, but if anybody has a show with the new
song(s), could i get a copy too?  please?

elaine

traci drago wrote:
> but does anyone have the two new songs on cd. . .    i would especially like to have "leaving".  if someone
> has a boot of a recent show where they were performed, we could set up a
> trade.

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date:         fri, 29 sep 2000 18:57:49 gmt
reply-to:     robbin love <robbin_150@hotmail.com>
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>from therumour.com:

the indigo girls's amy ray will release her first solo album, stag, in
march. ray will go into the studio with writing partner emily sailers next
summer to work on the next indigo girls record. of her solo effort, she
explains, "it's kind of a punky rock. the solo stuff is less geared towards
harmony. on the last few indigo girls records i'd have rock songs that i
didn't feel were geared towards the harmonies that we do."

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date:         fri, 29 sep 2000 14:56:48 -0400
reply-to:     deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
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>date: thu, 28 sep 2000 20:54:17 -0700 (pdt)
>from: pqmovienews@planetout.com (popcornq movie news)

><http://www.planetout.com/bounce/pnodirect/pqmovienews/2000/0928/benjamin.html>"benjamin smoke" from cowboy booking
>profile of robert "benjamin" dickerson, the outspoken gay, junkie, hiv-positive front man for the southern punk country band smoke.
>opens september 29 at the melwood theater in pittsburgh, pa.

---<>---

for those who don't know, benjamin smoke is best known here for his band's contribution to "hey kind friends."  from the 5/97 interview with amy in "stomp and stammer":

>why did choose to use smoke as you backing band on "hey kind friend"?
>
>"i love smoke! it's like love walking into the room. i wrote that song after traveling around a little bit. these last couple years i'm kind of a recluse but i went on the road for this song, to run away a little bit from things. and it's just a journey song. and i felt very hobo-like when i was going through these experiences, and kind of like a vagabond without a home. so, smoke was my ideal band."
>
>i kind of expected it to sound more like smoke than it does.
>
>"yeah, i did, too. but it's funny, 'cause to me, it sounds like smoke, 'cause i know what it sounded like before, before we did it with them. i think the thing that people don't understand is what great musicians those guys are. it's not like they had to make it their song, you know. like, some bands we play with, they can't adapt it's gotta be their way, or it can't happen. but with them, it's not like that. they were really gracious and wanted to do the song in the way that the song was, even though i didn't care one way or the other. but in the end i was really glad. i wanted a little more benjamin in it, but that was a particular day, and it's hit or miss."


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date:         fri, 29 sep 2000 14:14:04 -0500
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a bunch of people wrote asking me how to get a hold of bust. here's what i
know:

i didn't actually go purchase mine cause i subscribe so, looking at my copy
it says:
available in all barnes and nobles, borders, tower records.
here's an address for bust (it's sort of a glorified zine by the way and
really great, i think.)
bust magazine enterprizes inc.
po box 1016, cooper station new york, ny 10276

if people were wondering about surface tesion, it is a book of essays
written by lesbians and straight women about how women of both "types"
relate to each other. i forget the author's name. i think it was actually
recommended to me by someone on this list whose name is (maybe) kelly. (so
i guess that's an off hand thank you to her if she's still here.)

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this movie will also be making an appearance at this years tampa
international gay and lesbian film festival from october 5-15.  for more
info on the film fest : http://www.pridefilmfest.com

> "benjamin smoke"

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date:         fri, 29 sep 2000 15:53:11 edt
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hey y'all,

i know this is really really last minute, but i have a question.  tonight my
friend and i are going to see dar.  i am no longer on the dar list (hehe.  i
left it about 4 years ago) and i haven't seen dar in at least 3 years (maybe
longer).  i am just wondering if anyone on this list has caught any of her
current tour dates.  what kind of setlist should we expect?  how much of the
set is devoted to her new (green world) stuff?  please reply privately.
thanks!

:-) karen

http://www.geocities.com/karen_rosenblum

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anybody who's interested in going to chiapas, land o' the indigenous
mayan zapatistas,amy ray writes about scooter boys for an educational
fact finding trip. i thought this=a0 would be of interest.


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the mexico solidarity network offers this announcement to all people
interested traveling to mexico in solidarity with communities struggling for
social and economic justice.

here's a current list of delegations offered by groups that regularly travel
to chiapas. this should not be considered a complete list. if your
organization's delegation is not listed here, please let us know and we'll
be happy to add it to the list.

our upcoming delegations to chiapas, mexico:


november 20-27, 2000

mexico solidarity network

bi-national friendship delegation to chiapas

call: 773-583-7728
msn@mexicosolidarity.org

____________________________________________________________________________
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december 27, 2000 - january 4, 2001

chiapas media project


3rd annual new year's delegation to chiapas

call: 773-583-7728
cmp@chiapasmediaproject.org

____________________________________________________________________________
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other upcoming delegations to chiapas, mexico:

  a.. december 18-23, 2000
  chiapas, mexico
  commemoration of massacre at acteal
  cloudforest initiatives and michigan peace team
  http://http://www.traverse.net/nonprof/peaceteam/schedule.html

  b.. january 5-13, 2001
  global exchange
  mexico: tierra y libertad
  415-255-7296
  www.globalexchange.org

  c.. january 2-14, 2001
  the struggle for economic justice
  and human rights in mexico
  danielle short
  american friends service committee
  v: 303/623-3464 e: dshort@afsc.org

  d.. january 6-18, 2001
  arms and exports
  drs. linda lopez and karl reitz
  chapman university inter-term delegation*
  c/o wfp southwest
  v: 714/990-6603 e: wfpsw@witnessforpeace.org


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:o)

don't miss the nifty url at the bottom...

<<i am just wondering if anyone on this list has caught any of her current
tour dates.>>

yup we did... and she had my past life backup band...

she got onstage and i'm saying:
"that's gail ann dorsey - i saw her with the igs"
"isn't that stuart smith - i saw him play with shawn colvin"
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"that's... that's... holy! that's steve holly!! him who used to play with
wings!!" (i have a ton of bootlegs with him on.)

i realize i've just publically admitted my secret shame (at least it's
beatles bootlegs and not an unfortunate public restroom incident) but
anyhoo, so now the igs and dar williams both have a drummer who used to be
in a band with paul mccartney. and gail ann dorsey has played with both of
them.

oh, the setlist. i wont spoil the surprise.

anyhow, more igs content. i was looking for some quality ig pics for
upcoming boots (haven't found anything yet, so if anyone has anything
particulaly juicy - although i'm feeling picky today...) and found this
instead. and though i'd share in case it wasn't old news. i thought it was
cute:

i love the indigo girls, but i'm still a man

http://www.princeton.edu/~nweekly/page2/2000/04/indigoman/
"if i ever had the chance, i'd love to take amy and emily to the annex for a
few beers and talk long into the night about their bittersweet music and how
it reflects every aspect of my bittersweet life. i'd have a million
questions to ask them: what's the real story behind "least complicated?" how
do you choose between "language or the kiss"? do you ever fight over female
groupies?

and then, if i were really lucky, maybe amy, emily, and i could all hit the
street and scope chicks together."

yeah.

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for anyone interested,
the book is reviewed here:

http://www.bonster.com/surface.html

(shameless plug for http://www.bonster.com)

bon


> if people were wondering about surface tesion, it is a book of essays
> written by lesbians and straight women about how women of both "types"
> relate to each other. i forget the author's name. i think it was actually
> recommended to me by someone on this list whose name is (maybe) kelly. (so
> i guess that's an off hand thank you to her if she's still here.)

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hey,

just to clarify.  i *am* going to see dar tonight (hehe.  i just want to know
what to expect).  nope, i am not giving up my tickets -- front row center!

ok, here's another question.  i remember dar shows as being smaller and
quiter than ig shows (but remember, i have not seen dar in at least three
years, so this could have changed).  i really really really want her to play
"the great unknown" because ever i went to hiroshima for the first time, i
really strongly connect that song to my experience in that city.  how do you
all (who have been to a recent dar show) think i can request the song without
being rude?

ok, thanks!

:-) karen

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for your friday afternoon reading pleasure.

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cd review: indigo girls recycle past hits, pen new songs


updated 12:00 pm et september 26, 2000

by erin weinberger
the lantern
ohio state u.


(u-wire) columbus, ohio -- the indigo girls, amy ray and emily saliers,
will celebrate 15 years in music together with their latest album, "indigo
girls: a retrospective." the album is a 16-track single-disc collection
that features hits from 1985 to 2000, plus "devotion" and "leaving," two
tracks newly recorded for the compilation.

most songs on the album, including "strange fire," "kid fears" and the
ever-popular camp-fire anthems "closer to fine" and "galileo," come from
their late '80s to early '90s albums.

also featured are some unusual choices, such as more recent songs, "get
out the map" from 1997's "shaming the sun," and "go" and "trouble" from
the less successful "come on now social" from 1999.

the new recording of "devotion" is a country-folk tune comprising solid
harmony from ray and saliers. "leaving" highlights the calm, soothing
voice of saliers with ray's harmony in the background. it is a beautiful
song about leaving the comfort of familiar surroundings in order to move
on to new life experiences.

the album is an appropriate selection of the duo's popular hits that show
off both their talent and musical diversity. their harmony is always
perfectly executed and their skills on the acoustic and electric guitar
show pure genius. ray's and saliers' thought-provoking lyrics about love,
loss and making major life decisions are creative and inspirational.

for die-hard indigo girls fans, this album is not a necessity. it is
simply a collection of earlier recordings. it is, however, a great way for
newer fans to learn their older music and become acquainted with their
style.

the indigo girls are involved in many political issues, one of which is
their intense concern for the destruction of native american communities
in the united states.

they begin the 2000 honor the earth tour next month, covering the northern
and western united states. the program funds environmental and cultural
preservation projects and raises environmental awareness, focusing on the
dumping of nuclear waste on native lands and the continuing siege of the
last remaining free-range buffalo herd.

"indigo girls: a restrospective" hits stores on oct. 3.

the tour lineup includes performers such as david crosby, bonnie raitt,
joan baez, indigenous, jackson browne, shawn mullins, vonda shepard and
many more.

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honor the earth concert takes political activism on tour
friday, september 29, 2000

the indigo girls bring their issue-conscious honor the earth tour to the
huntsman center next friday. voter registration, capital punishment,
american indian rights and the environment are among the concerns of the
politically active group.
by dan nailen
the salt lake tribune

    in a day and age when many musicians' idea of political activity is
picking the proper dress for an awards show, the indigo girls are
unquestionably at the forefront of musical activism.
    not only do amy ray and emily saliers lace their songs with the issues
concerning them most -- environmental degradation, capital punishment and
american indian rights, among others -- but they founded the honor the
earth organization to help fund indigenous grass-roots groups and raise
awareness of american indian issues.
    next friday, the fourth honor the earth tour, featuring indigo girls,
bonnie raitt and indigenous, stops at the huntsman center at the
university of utah. in the past, honor the earth tours have focused on
radioactive contamination of the traditional hunting grounds of alaska's
inupiat tribe and protecting endangered species. this year's edition is
taking on the hot-button issues of the state-sanctioned buffalo slaughter
in montana and nuclear-waste storage on american indian lands,
particularly the proposed site on the goshute indian reservation in
western utah.
    "with the goshute issue, obviously the tribal leaders have made a
decision to lease the land, but the bigger issue is they've been put in
this position by the government, by governmental policy and corporations,
and they're just surrounded by toxicity there," saliers said in an
interview before heading to montana for a whirlwind tour of cities and
tribal reservations. "it's very unfair to then dangle the carrot of so
much money to an impoverished community and expect some of them not to be
tempted. but there are different voices there. we're not taking sides
against the tribal council, we're just saying the [federal] government has
to be responsible for its policies, and this is bad policy."
    the skull valley band of the goshutes agreed to lease private fuel
storage, a consortium of eight electric utility companies, 820 acres of
its reservation land 70 miles southwest of salt lake city to store waste
from about 20 nuclear-power plants until congress opens a permanent
storage facility, currently slated for southern nevada's yucca
mountain. the waste would travel to utah via railroad, and possibly truck,
and be stored in above-ground concrete silos. while environmental groups,
gov. mike leavitt and utah's congressional delegation continue to fight
the goshute storage plan, the facility could open as early as 2003.
    for honor the earth organizers, the goshute nuclear-waste storage plan
goes to the heart of what they are trying to accomplish. the honor the
earth board of advisers consists entirely of american indian activists,
led by program director winona laduke, acclaimed writer and
organizer. honor the earth works through the indigenous women's network, a
coalition of more than 400 activists "working to support the
self-determination of indigenous women, families, communities and
nations," and the indigenous environmental network, a countrywide network
of american indian, grass-roots environmental groups. the organization
also hosts an intensive web site, www.honorearth.org, that outlines its
positions and helps grass-roots groups organize and link up.
    the indigo girls are the public face of honor the earth, acting as the
primary fund-raisers for the group through the honor the earth tours. but
ray and saliers are not simply lending their name to help the cause; they
studiously research the issues and visit the areas where the tours will
focus.
    "we do a lot of research, we get a big packet of information that is a
collection of articles that have been written on both sides of the issues,
and news releases and things that have been written out of the community,
and we make visits and try to keep our fingers on the pulse of what's
going on at all times," saliers said, including the developments of the
goshute deal through the past few years.
    "it's not for me and amy to come in and lobby the people in their own
community. we're supporting the people who don't [want the dump]. we don't
want the dump there. it's just bad policy. we want the nuclear industry to
be phased out. . . . what happens is, we are part of the vehicle that
raises money for some of the groups that go in -- these are indigenous
groups, indian people -- they go in and they help those who are on the
side against the dump organize. so what we do is like tactical assistance
and organization."
    each honor the earth tour features the indigo girls with a rotating
slate of acts sharing their activist leanings. aside from grammy-winning
raitt and the all-american indian rock act indigenous, both appearing in
salt lake city, this year's tour will include jackson browne, david
crosby, joan baez, dar williams, edwin mccain, vonda shepard and shawn
mullins at various stops. the girls must have called hundreds of acts,
saliers said, but it is difficult to get many artists to commit to a
nonprofit tour.
    "it always seems to be a handful of artists that say 'yes,' the same
artists," saliers said. "bonnie and jackson have been doing this since the
'no nukes' record came out in the '70s. they're committed and they're
great. we really tried to get some younger musicians and really popular
groups to do it; it's just hard to get people to commit. so here we are
again, chugging along."
    "chugging along," it should be noted, is something ray and saliers are
happy to do. and with this being an election year, saliers is hopeful the
honor the earth message might reach the citizenry who only pay attention
to political issues every four years or so. the honor the earth shows
certainly qualify as much as political rallies as concerts.
    "the tour is advertised as 'honor the earth,' and people who come
should have been made aware it is politically focused," saliers
said. "it's not just a regular show. we're going to be up there talking
about issues, and we're going to have action tables where people can
register to vote. and there's going to be a special video presentation, so
it's a very different thing."


   at the u.
    the honor the earth tour, featuring indigo girls, bonnie raitt and
indigenous, plays the university of utah's huntsman center on oct. 6 at
7:30 p.m. tickets are $35 and available at all smith's tix outlets.

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hi,
we just saw dar in philly and she was great!@  most of her stuff was off
the green cd, but she did do some solo acoustic stuff like the
christians and the pagans and the babysitter song.  it was hard to hear
her over her band.  i don't think her mike was right or whatever.  her
band was too loud.
catie curtis was before dar and i am now a complete catie curtis fan!!
mary

indigokare@aol.com wrote:
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> hey y'all,
>
> i know this is really really last minute, but i have a question.  tonight my
> friend and i are going to see dar.  i am no longer on the dar list (hehe.  i
> left it about 4 years ago) and i haven't seen dar in at least 3 years (maybe
> longer).  i am just wondering if anyone on this list has caught any of her
> current tour dates.  what kind of setlist should we expect?  how much of the
> set is devoted to her new (green world) stuff?  please reply privately.
> thanks!
>
> :-) karen
>
> http://www.geocities.com/karen_rosenblum
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i went to see the connells and cracker opened for them b/c some other
plans fell through.  it was weird.  but it sure as fire woke me up from
the long drive there.  consequently, that same month, i saw drivin and
cryin (and i was late arriving) and michelle malone opened up for them.
that's when (1993) i started making damn sure that i was at the venue
before the opening act!


> > i walked out of one maniacs show in the 80's because camper van
> beethoven had
> > opened, and
>
>    luscious jackson put on such a bad show for the u2 popmart show i
> was
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hey all,

i received a lot of requests to post the set list for the dar show.

let me just say that the show was great!  after a 3+ year gap between this
dar show and the last one i attended, it was wonderful to see dar again.
like ig, i have loved dar ever since she was starting out, so i am not a new
fan who jumped on the bandwagon with "green world" (i jumped on the bandwagon
way late with ani and then jumped right off...)

anyway, my friend and i were right up front and in the center.  great view.

anyway, here is the set list (oh, dar did three encores!  i took down my own
setlist and got an "official" one from the stage, and the last encore was not
planned):

calling the moon
i won't be your yoko ono
if i wrote you
spring street
are you out there
after all (mandy, i thought of you and your signature!)
better things (!!!  i was so excited because 3 and a half years ago at a show
somewhere in ohio, she told me that she never plays better things)
the baby sitter's here
end of the summer
it happens everyday
playing the firmament
we learned the sea
what do you love more than love (love that song b/c although it is about
bhutan, but so many of the images remind me of japan)
another mystery
(encore 1)
iowa
as cool as i am
(encore 2)
christians and the pagans
(enocre 3 - unplanned)
when i was a boy

true, she didn't do honesty room (though i did make a sign and she saw it),
but i handed her a note (to read later) describing the significance of that
song for me and my friends who live in hiroshima.  i was also a bit bummed
that there was no meet and greet (like in the old days), but her stage
presence was awesome.

anyway, i wanted to thank everyone who responded to my questions about the
set list.  the verdict:  a lot of new stuff (she *is* touring for the green
world) but mixed in with plenty of old favorites.

anyway, off to bed.  gotta get ig tix tomorrow...

:-) karen

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hi folks,

random, lack-of-sleep-and-personal-emails-induced
totally nigc question:  does anybody know what the
"non-com" in the "gavin triple a non-com chart" stands
for?

oh, and just to throw a little igc in here, i got a
copy of that retrospective thing with the cute picture
of a youthful amy and emily on the cover.  strange,
those first 14 songs or so sound pretty familiar...

(i'm not bragging, really i'm not)
lori


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if anyone who lives in the cleveland area is going to see the ig in
columbus on 10/21 and can give me a ride, please email me privately.  i
will pay for the gas there and back.  i am staying in the cleveland heights
area.

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lori asked,
<<
random, lack-of-sleep-and-personal-emails-induced
totally nigc question:  does anybody know what the
"non-com" in the "gavin triple a non-com chart" stands
for? >>
    it means non-commercial. it's for all those college stations, npr, etc.
deb

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hi all,

sorry for the nigc, but does anyone  know how to get dar tix for the austin
show on the 27th?? email privately. thanks!

megan

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date:         sat, 30 sep 2000 12:33:34 -0700
reply-to:     tomboy1969@cswebmail.com
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hey y'all i just realized i will be driving right thru columbus on the 21st (coming from the indiana show!) and was wondering if anyone knew who was opening, as i might just have to stay for that show too!
thanks!
d:)


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date:         sat, 30 sep 2000 21:25:38 +0100
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i don't think i've seen anyone post this yet.  i found this at the official
site.  i've checked and it's still not available for download at the hte
site.

"point hope f.o.i.a." by amy ray
amy ray talks below about "point hope" - a new track that will be available
for exclusive paid download this week with all proceeds going to charity:
"i wrote pt.hope over the last few years as i was thinking about the victims
of the nuclear industry cycle. on our 1995 honor tour we visited alaska and
supported an effort to bring more light to the situation at a place called
pt. hope. this is a place where our government buried fallout material from
a bomb testing site in nevada in hopes of studying its effects on the
lichen-caribou-man foodchain. this secret experiment was uncovered after the
freedom of information act forced the release of the records of this crime.

"i thought about where the poisonous material originated and all that had
gone into bringing it to alaska and its viscious man made journey which
sickened all who were touched by it. i read a haunting article about an old
indian woman who remembered watching the nevada atomic bomb test as sort of
an intriguing family activity, unaware of the danger and destruction to her
land. i also read many testimonials of cancer ridden miners who had brought
the stuff up from the earth. the nuclear industry has depended on a lack of
information and the exploitation of those that have less money and power.

"now after years of sickness and environmental catastrophies, the dangers of
the uranium cycle are becoming public knowledge. information is the power we
hold and we must not be intimidated by an industry that has never held our
health as a priority.

"we recorded this track live in august 2000. it was a very moving experience
because i think all of the players got it. hope you enjoy the song.
aray."

~claudine

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