lifeblood: listlogs: 2000-10c

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date:         sat, 14 oct 2000 21:32:11 -0400
reply-to:     "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
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from:         "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
subject:      (nigc) help wanted
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guys...

do me a favour. take a couple of minute to email safeharbor@ebay.com and
inform them that this item:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=468307774
is a bootleg (it's a 3cd set of attack of the killer b-sides, if you want me
to save you a trip).
if you want to cc it to badbeat@riaa.com then i'm not going to stop you.

why not direct them to this webpage as well, which has more info:
http://www.lifeblood.net/unauthor/cds.html

please be polite, use your own wording, etc.

one more thing. anyone wanting to discuss this can email me in private. i'm
sure the list doesn't need to go over this yet again. i'm sure we're all
pretty much agreed on the subject in hand. i'll personally be making sure
the bidders know the deal so you don't have to. they (and you) might also
find this auction useful:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=468360738

'preciate it.

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hi kind friends:
i was pleasantly surprised to hear "leaving" on channel 1031, which is now
on the internet and not on the air in los angeles anymore. they still play
great music, obviously! check it out!
tammi

http://www.channel1031.com
http://www.worldclassrock.com

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date:         sun, 15 oct 2000 02:40:20 -0400
reply-to:     simon aldrich <simon_aldrich@lcmm.qc.ca>
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hello all.

ig are featured as the cover article in this month's
international musician - the monthly journal of the american
federation of musicians,
which is north america's professional musician's union.

the article is available on the afm's site
but you have to be in the musician's union to have access to
the site, so i downloaded the article with its photos as a web
archive (internet explorer).

if anyone would like this article as a web archive let me know
at simona@cam.org

simon

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date:         sun, 15 oct 2000 05:28:37 -0700
reply-to:     tara lane <tara8595@yahoo.com>
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from:         tara lane <tara8595@yahoo.com>
subject:      defective liners/promo cd/other
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i got a bad liner too. returned mine to tower, where i got it in
person - this problem with the tower batch isn't restricted to online
buys. the sales clerk opened a bunch, so i could get a good one, and
they were all like that.

on the tower promo cd - my sales clerk (richmond) said "how many do you
want?" i of course said, "how many can i get?" she said take as many
as you want, things like this tend to be around for ever and sales
people forget to hand them out. so - i'm sure, at some tower records,
this attitude is prevalent and if you just walk in and ask the right
person for one (or two), they'll give them to you.

and apparently, borders gives out promo cd compilations as well. i saw
one sitting on a counter and asked about it, and the guy said, "it's
free, you can have it." and it had bonnie raitt and peter gabriel, and
all kinds of good 80s-90s hits on it - neato!

on a side note - i agree with neil - the scanned artwork, both inside
and outside the liner booklets is terrible. first they make us buy
music that we already own - sometimes several times over (between my gf
and me, we've collectively owned 5 copies of nis, only to have to buy
another one) and then give us sucky artwork. pardon me for sacrilege,
but the whole deal reeks.

oh - and by the way - hi everybody - i've missed you guys - but it is
cool to have a real job now, even though i can't play on the net all
day and i lost my cd-writer. :)

-tara

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date:         sun, 15 oct 2000 12:24:59 -0500
reply-to:     barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
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....inspite of comments about lousy liner notes
you've got me salivating to pick up retro for those two songs, (i still
think it's a crummy deal.
but i guess that's the way the cookie crumbles.)

second........the girls are coming tomorrow and i"m sick with a cold
(probably a sinus infection. and i can't take anti-histamines!)
we've got three acts on before ig come out,
so it is going to be a lonnnnng night. i hope i'm up for it!

so all i can say right now is a big dang! it just might be the first
ig show i've missed since 1994..........and the reason i'm going is it
might be the last time i see them for a long time.

peace
barb

http://community.webtv.net/ritesofpassage9/foreverindigogirls

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date:         mon, 16 oct 2000 10:36:47 -0700
reply-to:     melissa gordon <melissa@ce1.com>
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from:         melissa gordon <melissa@ce1.com>
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subject:      retrospective
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while everyone's financial situation is difft, i can say that i believe =
the $ spent on the retrospective was worth it.

devotion is pretty good, but i absolutely love "leaving". loved it =
when i saw ig in san diego and love it more now.

the new liner notes are ok and the pics are fun....

melissa

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date:         sun, 15 oct 2000 21:06:32 +0100
reply-to:     john bond <john.bond@lineone.net>
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subject:      just a random ig/aimee mann thought...
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just listening to an aimee mann album i brought the other week =
("whatever" : classic album) and thinking... if anybody knows aimee's =
"4th of july" : perfect emily potential cover... :)

john.

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ok does anyone know what the art work on the front of the actual cd is
supposed to be...(the retro cd)?..i have no idea..and maybe my eyes are just
bad...thanks

carla :o)

"spend my time being broken hearted and grieving bound" amy ray

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date:         sun, 15 oct 2000 16:51:56 edt
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yeah, at first i was hesitant to spend 20 bucks on retro, (really, there was
never a doubt in my mind ;) but the new songs are so great that they are
worth 10 bucks a piece.  actually, in my case, 12 for devotion, 8 for
leaving.  i think devotion is as good of a song as it gets.  i can not get
enough of hearing it.  i will listen to it 2x, then leaving, the devotion
2x...cycle continues.  well worth the money.
april

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date:         sun, 15 oct 2000 14:59:45 -0600
reply-to:     jessica byers <jess913@blackfoot.net>
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subject:      honor the earth/montana
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hey listers,

i was on this list for a long time and left and just got back on, mainly to
ask if there is anyone on here who a) lives in montana and is into good
music (i just moved to missoula and am interested in meeting other music
fans) and b) if anyone was at or has a recording of any of the honor the
earth shows here two weeks ago, specifically the 10/4 one with dar williams.
it was an amazing show and i would love to have a copy of it. or any of
those shows.

so drop me a line if you're out here!!

jess byers
www.geocities.com/amari913
(by the way, my web site has been considerably updated since i was last
here)

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date:         sun, 15 oct 2000 16:13:33 -0500
reply-to:     dan knoff <djknoff@msn.com>
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my wife and i just got back from kansas a bit ago and we had a wonderful
time at honor the earth. the girls were incredible, as usual. shawn
mullins and indigenous were very good, and i loved the speakers, etc.

setlist:

redemption song (followed by a presentation and winona laduke)

get out the map
jonas & ezekiel
love's recovery
devotion
virginia woolf
reunion
leaving
go
closer to fine
kid fears
power of two
shame on you
galileo

encore with everyone:
bury my heart at wounded knee

indigenous was first, and i had heard that they were good and that their
guitar player was quite good, and that was an understatement.  he was
incredible.  i don't believe that i've ever seen someone as good as he is
who isn't.....i don't know...famous is a bad word for it, but you catch my
drift.  we was very, very good.  very similar in style to a stevie ray
vaughan.  i'm going to have to check a cd or two of theirs out.

i wasn't sure what to expect from shawn mullins, but he was very good, also.
he played solo, just him and an acoustic guitar.  he played some new stuff
and old and one or two covers,  i believe.  one of his new songs, something
to believe in, was great.  he had a great stage presence, a great smile, and
was just plain fun to listen to.  played a song that cracked me
up...."clarisse, please quit the klan" about a girlfriend who was a member
of the kkk.  fuckin' hilarious.  he did a cover of a mcmurtrey song (larry's
son) called where's johnny that was very poignant.  his style, songs and
presentation just sucked me right in.  i loved him.   he also thanked amy
and emily and told a story about when he first met amy.  she came to his
school for career day and sang romeo and juliet and strange
fire...hehe...said she burned a hole in the room with that one.  much better
than i expected from him.

the girls were incredible!  i've seen them 13 times in the last 3+ years,
and they just seem to get better.  this was the first time i've heard them
do reunion and kid fears, and only the second time for jonas & ezekiel.  the
high points of the evening were j&e, one of my favorite songs, and kid
fears.  shawn came out and took the michael stipe part, plus he sang my
favorite lines- "replace the rent.......the ones that you love."  it was by
far my favorite song of the evening.  i had tears in my eyes at the end,
when amy and emily were singing their parts, and shawn singing
his.....unbelievable.  it's moments like that, that fill me with wonder and
awe at what some people can do with their lives....their art.  i don't know
what else to say.....beyond words.  the crowd was sitting most of the night,
but that all changed when emily started closer to fine.  it cracks me up
that that song will bring everyone to their feet, singing, every damn time
they play it.  same thing with galileo.  for the encore, everyone came out
and played bury my heart.  indigenous' guitar player kicked ass;  emily
watched him approvingly during his two solos.  he also sang the verse that
jerry sang on curfews.  it was kind of weird how everyone was enjoying
themselves so much during such a disturbing song, but the artists were
having a blast on stage, too, so i guess it's okay...hehe.

all in all, it was an incredible evening.  the only bad part is that this
will probably be the last time i'll see them for quite some time.  i was
thinking about how bad it could possibly be to quit our jobs and follow the
girls around for awhile.  then i realized that it would be pretty damn
bad...heehee.

so i'll be a work tomorrow.

love and peace,
dan

"how much further if you are smooth" ar

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date:         sun, 15 oct 2000 14:48:53 -0700
reply-to:     staychia sena <ssena@home.com>
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forgive my naivete-- what is it exactly that tower is carrying? is it
all tower records?

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date:         sun, 15 oct 2000 18:22:49 -0400
reply-to:     "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
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subject:      (nigc) dumb question...
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hey (are ya sick of me yet?)

does anyone have pictures of the indigo girls at glastonbury festival in
1995 they could email me??

it's a long shot, but it might just work...

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date:         mon, 16 oct 2000 17:09:12 -0700
reply-to:     melissa gordon <melissa@ce1.com>
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from:         melissa gordon <melissa@ce1.com>
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subject:      nigc -- austin
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advice, por favor....

i'm going to austin at the end of the month (to visit 2 clients). since =
i am not doing an event, i can kinda stay where i want (within =
reason)....

one client is south of downtown. i dont know where the other client is.

any advice on....

a) where to stay (cool, fun hotels)

b) things to see=20

c) good restaurants

d) good music

i'll be in town for 1 eve & 2 days (i have 2 appts). thanks for any =
help!!!!

melissa

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date:         sun, 15 oct 2000 18:17:07 -0600
reply-to:     jessica byers <jess913@blackfoot.net>
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hey is this tower/borders free cd thing available online or anywhere, if you
dont have a tower or a borders? what about barnes and noble, i got one of
those??

jess

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date:         sun, 15 oct 2000 18:20:01 -0600
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hey, forgive me if this has been discussed, but do ig ever talk about
supporting the ralph nader/winona laduke campaign? or is that off limits?
just curious, i am a big nader supporter and i know they are.

i gave amy some "bush and gore make me wanna ralph" bumper stickers at the
reservation rally in arlee, montana (my town). she seemed pleased to have
them. i gave some to bonnie raitts guitarist, too.

jess b

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date:         sun, 15 oct 2000 20:14:28 -0400
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the cd's are free, and a lot of the stores are giving them away without
purchases, since there is not a high demand. if you do not have a store,
all of the mp3's from the free promos are at my site below.
http://brianclary.com

brian : )
email: brian@brianclary.com <mailto:brian@brianclary.com> ,
brianclary@mindspring.com <mailto:brianclary@mindspring.com>
website: http://brianclary.com

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subject: free cd thing

hey is this tower/borders free cd thing available online or anywhere, if you
dont have a tower or a borders? what about barnes and noble, i got one of
those??

jess

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date:         mon, 16 oct 2000 17:22:05 -0700
reply-to:     melissa gordon <melissa@ce1.com>
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i know that i bought the retrospective @ borders & the cd was included
within the packaging.

msg
melissa s. gordon

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subject: free cd thing

> hey is this tower/borders free cd thing available online or anywhere, if
you
> dont have a tower or a borders? what about barnes and noble, i got one of
> those??
>
> jess
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date:         sun, 15 oct 2000 20:21:54 -0400
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subject:      re: just a random ig/aimee mann thought...
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i love that song!!!! i must play it every 4th of july. it's a ritual for =
me, same as listening to r.e.m.'s "nightswimming" at the end of august.
:-)
l.
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  just listening to an aimee mann album i brought the other week =
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isn't that the show that was aired on the disney channel or something like
that? if so, taking a video capture wouldn't be too difficult.

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> 1995 they could email me??
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i went to the nader convention here in seattle last month and nader said
indigo girls were backing them. i also read recently where amy really like
nader/laduke. i am sooooooo torn this election cuz i'd vote for nader in a
second but the other race is sooooo close and this election determines who
will appoint the next 3-4 supremacist (cough) supreme court justices that i
just....i dunno who i'll vote for but i know who i'm voting against because
of this one issue!

ryan

china has more english speakers than the united states.

> -----original message-----
> from: indigo girls mailing list [mailto:indigo-girls@netspace.org]on
> behalf of jessica byers
> sent: sunday, october 15, 2000 5:20 pm
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: nader/laduke
>
>
> hey, forgive me if this has been discussed, but do ig ever talk about
> supporting the ralph nader/winona laduke campaign?  or is that off limits?
> just curious, i am a big nader supporter and i know they are.
>
> i gave amy some "bush and gore make me wanna ralph" bumper stickers at the
> reservation rally in arlee, montana (my town).  she seemed pleased to have
> them.  i gave some to bonnie raitts guitarist, too.
>
> jess b
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ryan is correct as this is a difficult proposition.....

right now, bush/cheney leads gore/lieberman by around 4-5%. nader is
clocked in at around 4-5%. this is huge.

many points made by nader/laduke are quite valid; on many levels there is
little (if any) difference between the 2 major party candidates.

however, as a person who lives approx 1.5 miles fm i-95 (the hwy that the
nuclear waste would "roll-by"), please keep in mind the war (& not just the
battle) here....

this election is not just a civics lesson.....as ryan said, there will be
2-4 supreme court seats decided by the next president. the religious
right has kept their voice somewhat muffled. their prize for this
concession......those supreme court seats!

how quickly can one say "antonin scalia-clone"?

this country was founded on the concept of "majority rules with minority
rights". that would go right out the window on many issues with a
"right-wing-heavy" supreme court.

please consider your vote very carefully.

thanks,

melissa

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> i went to the nader convention here in seattle last month and nader said
> indigo girls were backing them. i also read recently where amy really like
> nader/laduke. i am sooooooo torn this election cuz i'd vote for nader in a
> second but the other race is sooooo close and this election determines who
> will appoint the next 3-4 supremacist (cough) supreme court justices that
i
> just....i dunno who i'll vote for but i know who i'm voting against
because
> of this one issue!
>
> ryan
>
> china has more english speakers than the united states.
>
>
> > -----original message-----
> > from: indigo girls mailing list [mailto:indigo-girls@netspace.org]on
> > behalf of jessica byers
> > sent: sunday, october 15, 2000 5:20 pm
> > to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> > subject: nader/laduke
> >
> >
> > hey, forgive me if this has been discussed, but do ig ever talk about
> > supporting the ralph nader/winona laduke campaign?  or is that off
limits?
> > just curious, i am a big nader supporter and i know they are.
> >
> > i gave amy some "bush and gore make me wanna ralph" bumper stickers at
the
> > reservation rally in arlee, montana (my town).  she seemed pleased to
have
> > them.  i gave some to bonnie raitts guitarist, too.
> >
> > jess b
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this article here:
http://www.citypaper.net/articles/101200/sl.slant.shtml
gives a pretty good account of how a vote for nader isn't a wasted vote.

the differences between bush and gore?
http://www.billionairesforbushorgore.com/analysis/

voting for the lesser of two evils is not what democracy is about...

not that i'm allowed to vote (21+, pay my taxes, not a convicted felon
etc...) yeah, we should send all the immigrants back where they came from
too :o)

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political announcement from me.

may i direct anyone who is torn over this to:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/2000_07_18.html
its michael moore's writing about not falling for the supreme court thing,
esp the fear of repeal of roe v wade.

also, check out his other stuff on the topic.
www.michaelmoore.com

plus, nader/ladukes site has lotsa stuff, like "gore's broken promise of the
day"

"open letter to barney frank" is from one of nader's high campaigners
http://votenader.org/press/letter-mclarty2frank.html

ok, off my political soap box.

carol
ps- if anyone wants me to send you a steady stream of nader/laduke stuff, i
could do that ;-)
i converted my friend this summer :)

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second but the other race is sooooo close and this election determines who
will appoint the next 3-4 supremacist (cough) supreme court justices
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right now, bush/cheney leads gore/lieberman by around 4-5%. nader is
clocked in at around 4-5%. this is huge.

*cough* not gonna vote plastic *cough* gore has to earn my vote *cough*

ps- i don't care about bush if it will actually break the us out of
complacency.

the dems keep moving right. nader said something like "in 15 years we will
have the democrats and the greens because the dems are moving to the right
at an alarming rate."

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no offense but could yall take the political talk to private email i get
enough of it without needing to hear it on the ig list as well. thanks
mucho.

indi

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20...dollars?! for retro?! just for ten tracks with only two new
songs?! what a rip-off, i thought 16.95 was bad. that's outrageously
high for one cd. who they think we are? is that in canada? maybe that's
why it costs so uch.

http://community.webtv.net/ritesofpassage9/foreverindigogirls

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hey y'all,

wait, i am confused. are people getting the wrong liner notes in the
retrospective as well? i thought that problem was limited to the reissues.

i agree with everyone who is disappointed by the reproduction quality of the
reissues' liner notes.  my n*i*s notes are so blurry, i can barely read them.
yes, i agree that it is probably a very bad scan.  i haven't opened my
reissue of strange fire yet because stupid tower sent me the jewel case
version even though i had specifically ordered the digipak.  i have to
exchange it.

but i have to admit that i love the retrospective.  susan faludi has been one
of my favorite writers for quite a while now.  i loved her essay.  i loved
what the girls had to say about each song they chose.  and i love love love
leaving (especially) and devotion.

2 days till the chicago show. less than a week till columbus. 2 ig shows in
one week. hell yah!!!

:-) karen

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i could also say a lot about why a vote for nader is not wasted, how it is
the only way to create change in the country.  how if nader gets his 5%, the
green party will gets a lot of federal funding in 2004 and get some real
leverage.  how you should think about the polls in your own state, and your
number of electoral votes, and if it is not close where you are, you can
vote for nader w/o worrying about any detrimental efffects.  in fact
tomorrow night i am speaking to the gay and lesbian group at the u of
montana as a rep of the nader campaign.  they will also have some democrat
and republican reps their, everyone talking about their candidates stance on
important issues.

i got a whole heated discussion started on the dar-list about this (dar is
also a nader supporter), and i didnt mean to do the same here.

i think the reason they dont talk about it on the hte tour is that wnona is
the founder of the hte organization, which, being non-profit, must be
non-partisan.

check out www.votenader.com

jess

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october 16
eccemis@hotmail.com (lyndsay)

october 18 (74)
strange_fire66@hotmail.com (shelley miller)

october 19
dgilliland@mdbe.com (donna gilliland)

october 19
nancy.heuser@mail.mei.com (nancy heuser)

october 21
avital@cs.wisc.edu

(75)
fairbk@sage.edu (kelly)

october 22
wubuh@aol.com (christa)

happy birthday all!

and if kelly could email me with her actual birthdate, i can update my
file. thanks!

retrospective wishes to all!
audra
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i like nader, but i just can't help but vote for gore just to keep the
buch thing from happening... the race is too close to divide the left
like that. <sigh>

jean

--- ryan blackhawke <hawke2@blarg.net> wrote:
> i went to the nader convention here in seattle last month and nader
> said
> indigo girls were backing them. i also read recently where amy really
> like
> nader/laduke. i am sooooooo torn this election cuz i'd vote for nader
> in a
> second but the other race is sooooo close and this election
> determines who
> will appoint the next 3-4 supremacist (cough) supreme court justices
> that i
> just....i dunno who i'll vote for but i know who i'm voting against
> because
> of this one issue!
>
> ryan
>
> china has more english speakers than the united states.
>
>
> > -----original message-----
> > from: indigo girls mailing list
> [mailto:indigo-girls@netspace.org]on
> > behalf of jessica byers
> > sent: sunday, october 15, 2000 5:20 pm
> > to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> > subject: nader/laduke
> >
> >
> > hey, forgive me if this has been discussed, but do ig ever talk
> about
> > supporting the ralph nader/winona laduke campaign?  or is that off
> limits?
> > just curious, i am a big nader supporter and i know they are.
> >
> > i gave amy some "bush and gore make me wanna ralph" bumper stickers
> at the
> > reservation rally in arlee, montana (my town).  she seemed pleased
> to have
> > them.  i gave some to bonnie raitts guitarist, too.
> >
> > jess b
> >
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on mon, 16 oct 2000, jean moses wrote:

> i like nader, but i just can't help but vote for gore just to keep the
> buch thing from happening... the race is too close to divide the left
> like that. <sigh>

after spending some time in texas, i'm a big fan of nada-bush, myself.

for a good time, check out:
http://www.speakout.com/votematch/default.asp

it's a poll that asks questions based on issues, then asks you to rate
the importance of certain types of issues (domestic vs. personal
vs. financial), then shows you how you stack up against the
candidates. while it doesn't bring character into effect at all, it's
still a pretty neat tool.

darius

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question, do the liner notes look any different? i got the remastered
versions of rop & nis from tower and can tell no difference between these
and the originals.

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date:         mon, 16 oct 2000 09:33:49 -0500
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they also played both of them in june at minneapolis.
oh, and big deal for me (!!!!) i just got a boot from that show!!!!!!! so,
if anyone is interested in getting a copy e-mail me privately.
-mi rinda

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they also played both chickenman and faye tucker the first night in boston
this past june.

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hey melissa,

well one of the nice things i did in austin was go to a really nice
bookstore - i'm sure someone on the list will know. it wasn't huge but
it was well laid out with a fine staff. i can't remember the name,
though. i worked in the book biz for 10 years and love independent
booksellers. i know i used to know the name... shoot...

ok, the other thing i really liked was having ice cream at amy's. great,
nice people working behind the counter helped me post some extra ig
tickets i had for sale.

have fun,
kristen

melissa gordon wrote:

> advice, por favor.... i'm going to austin at the end of the month (to
> visit 2 clients).  since i am not doing an event, i can kinda stay
> where i want (within reason).... one client is south of downtown.  i
> dont know where the other client is. any advice on.... a)  where to
> stay (cool, fun hotels) b)  things to see c)  good restaurants d)
> good music  i'll be in town for 1 eve & 2 days (i have 2 appts).
> thanks for any help!!!! melissa

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hey melissa,
<p>well one of the nice things i did in austin was go to a really nice
bookstore - i'm sure someone on the list will know. it wasn't huge but
it was well laid out with a fine staff. i can't remember the name, though.
i worked in the book biz for 10 years and love independent booksellers.
i know i used to know the name... shoot...
<p>ok, the other thing i really liked was having ice cream at amy's. great,
nice people working behind the counter helped me post some extra ig tickets
i had for sale.
<p>have fun,
<br>kristen
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por favor....</font></font> <font face="arial"><font size=-1>i'm going
to austin at the end of the month (to visit 2 clients). since i am
not doing an event, i can kinda stay where i want (within reason)....</font></font> <font face="arial"><font size=-1>one
client is south of downtown. i dont know where the other client is.</font></font> <font face="arial"><font size=-1>any
advice on....</font></font> <font face="arial"><font size=-1>a)
where to stay (cool, fun hotels)</font></font> <font face="arial"><font size=-1>b)
things to see</font></font> <font face="arial"><font size=-1>c)
good restaurants</font></font> <font face="arial"><font size=-1>d)
good music</font></font> <font face="arial"><font size=-1>i'll
be in town for 1 eve & 2 days (i have 2 appts). thanks for any
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speaking of the tower bonus disc, i still haven't gotten mine. anyone else
who ordered and was told it was on backorder get theirs yet?

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sign-off indigo girls

just wondering if anyone on the list lives in the dc metro area since i
just moved back. looking for places to chill and meet people. e-mail me
privately.....

thanks
peace
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i'm in colorado, which seems to be lining up behind george w. at this point.
never mind the front range is being hacked to death by gravel miners scraping
the view out of the mountains west of colorado springs. never mind that sprawl
is californicating the prairies with the rationale that "there's nothing
there..." never mind that colorado is near the bottom in funding for public
education.

never mind all that stuff. so voting nader in this state does nothing but place
another tick in the column for a real progressive, who deserves a shot at
federal funds and the platform that kind of money provides for a real voice for
change.

shame on al gore for losing my vote. shame on the democrats for forgetting the
folks they were supposed to be representing in their shot at the american dream.
shame on america for putting corporate profit and stock options ahead of health
care, child welfare and compassion.

www.votenader.com

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jessica byers wrote:

if nader gets his 5%, the
green party will gets a lot of federal funding in
2004 and get some real leverage.

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hey guys.  im just a little concerned.  last year neil generously presented
us with another boot offer... inclusive were up to 10 cd's.  there were, of
course, certain folks assigned to certain birthdays.  i dont know if any of
you know where kelly is or if she's changed email addresses, but she's had my
10 blank cd's for almost a year now.  i cannot get in touch with her nor i
have i heard from her in over 6 months1... if any of you know of a new email
addy, please send it my way.  kelly i understand if you are extremely busy,
but i'd at least like the 10 blanks back... thanks!
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> speaking of the tower bonus disc, i still haven't
> gotten mine. anyone else
> who ordered and was told it was on backorder get
> theirs yet?
>

i received an email saying that my rop cd as well as
my bonus cd had been shipped, but i have not received
them at this time.

joanne

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on mon, 16 oct 2000, melissa gordon wrote:

> a) where to stay (cool, fun hotels)

the downtown hotels are pricey, but it's nice to be able to walk
everywhere. parking isn't as bad as in many cities, though, so driving
is a viable option.

> b) things to see

   all the "no firearms permitted, concealed or unconcealed" stickers on
the doors of every establishment.  including churches.  i'm all for the
2nd amendment, but that's a very strong case against dubya.  yow.

the bats under the bridge are really neat, but i think that's only a
summer thing.

pay respect at the stevie ray vaughan memorial near town lake. that's
a really pretty park, anyway, and is great for walking, jogging, and
hanging out with attractive members of the gender one prefers.

> c) good restaurants

there's no lack of them. 6th street downtown is where most are
clustered. a lot of places are pretty pricey, though, so plan
accordingly.

> d) good music

check out 6th street. you're not going to find much grrl-rock, shred
metal, or underground punk; but the more traditional american musical
forms are well-represented. if you dig country, jazz, blues, or zydeco
stylings, i don't see how you can do too wrong in austin.

darius

"sammy came down one day making a halo-shape above his head and it turned
out it was the vatican for bono. just what you need, the pope
interrupting the overdubs."
- the edge

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just my 2c:

personally i think political discussion belongs on this list, especially
with the election so close. whereas it is an ig list and ig is so very
politically active its only to be expected that there is political
discussion on this list - in fact i think it should be encouraged.

i am also tempted to vote gore as "anti-bush" imagine if bush got to be
president only b/c the left is split???

just my 2c . . .
yt
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for the week ending october 8th, according to soundscan
(this week/last week/artist/album/label/weeks on chart/units sold)
1/  new radiohead kid a [capitol - 1 - 207k]
2/    1 mystikal let's get ready [jive - 2 - 181k]
3/    4 nelly country grammar [universal - 14 - 161k]
4/  new green day warning [reprise - 1 - 156k]
5/    2 98 revelation [universal - 2 - 150k]
6/    3 madonna music [wb - 3 - 141k]
7/  new scarface last of a dying breed [1 - 134k]
8/    6 creed human clay [wind-up - 54 - 126k]
9/   10 baha men who let the dogs out [s-curve - 16 - 103k]
10/   9 3 doors down better life [republic - 34 - 98k]
19/ new paul simon you're the one [wb - 1 - 59k]
20/ new yanni if i could tell you [virgin - 1]
32/ new guru jazzmatazz, vol. 3 [virgin - 1 - 41k]
51/ new travis tritt down the road i go [columbia - 1]
59/ new dawson's creek, vol. 2 [columbia - 1]
93/ new luis miguel vivo [wea latina - 1]
110/new robbie williams sing when you're winning [1]
114/new paul oakenfold perfecto presents another world [1]
121/new kenny rogers there you go again [1]
128/new indigo girls retrospective [1]
153/new remember the titans (soundtrack) [1]
161/new van morrison & linda gail lewis you win again [1]
171/new too gangsta for radio [death row - 1]
178/new soul assassins chapter ii [1]

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hi guys!

did anyone happen to make an audio copy of kd lang's hob cybercast? i only
got to see/hear one song (constant craving) but it was great. will trade for
ig or mm.

thanks!
brenda :)

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in a message dated 10/16/2000 12:15:56 pm eastern daylight time,
tlmstar@hotmail.com writes:

<< personally i think political discussion belongs on this list, especially
with the election so close. whereas it is an ig list and ig is so very
politically active its only to be expected that there is political
discussion on this list - in fact i think it should be encouraged. >>

i agree.  and i think that the indigo girls themselves would encourage
political dialogue.  whether you are voting for nader, gore, bush (ick!) or
buchanan (double ick!), it is important to be knowledgeable about the issues
and be able to defend your candidate (and your choice).  i have seen plenty
of nigc political type things posted here for as long as i have been on this
list.  i think that this is the perfect time to discuss politics.

i am still an undecided voter.  nothing will change my mind until election
day.  i agree that nader is an excellent choice, but i also agree that
splitting the leftist vote would be horrible in this election.  bush would be
the worst person for the job.  yes, nader would be the best, but i also need
to examine reality.  i want the greens to get that 5%.  i want someone like
nader to become president one day.  but as an extreme extreme extreme pro
choice activist, i think that this election is just too important to vote for
someone who has no chance of winning (this year).  if the polls are not close
on election day, i will happily and proudly vote for nader.  but if the polls
are close, i have to vote for the person who i think would be better for the
job.  so for me, it all depends on the polls (also, i still am registered to
vote in illinois, a major swing state.  i think it also depends where you
live).

anyway...

:-) karen

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this is a very long piece; email me if you would like to have the entire
thing. here is just a sample:

> there has been a big debate among progressives over whether or
> not to vote for ralph nader.  in recent weeks, however, the
> debate has begun to turn a bit nasty, and before it gets
> downright mean, allow me to make one basic point: due to the
> way the electoral college works, almost every progressive
> voter, or liberal, or "radiclib" (to revive spiro agnew's
>         favorite epithet) is free to vote his or her conscience.
>
> except for a very small number of states, progressives have a
> free vote.  they can vote their conscience for ralph nader, and
> help him get the 5 percent he needs to build a new fourth party
> to do battle with the corporate wing of the democratic party --
>         without "spoiling" the election for al gore.
>

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i just got this copy from a friend and i couldn't believe it when i saw
it:  those time slots that say "special guest"....well, guess who that
is?  winona laduke and janisse ray.  oh my gosh.  i'm freaking now.  i'm
totally going to be all over this event.  has anyone else read janisse
ray's recent book _ecology of my cracker childhood_?  if not, then read
it before this event b/c it will give you a good ole georgia perspective
of what "ecology" really means to southerners (at least that's what i
think).

naturally of course,
cheebugger

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choose the best candidate for you:
http://www.speakout.com/selectsmart/

compare the candidates:
http://www.selectsmart.com/president/compare.html

at the denver fillmore show, amy encouraged everyone to vote by saying, "i
don't care who you vote for, just vote." and i yelled, "you do so care,
don't lie!" emily laughed.

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hi all,

this is kind of nigc.  this is about the upcoming election.   i admit i have
never voted, i am a very bad american in that way, but i have decided to
vote from now on, but, i must say that any political issues that i have been
turned on to and any issue i support i believe stems from what i have heard
you all discuss and the issues that the girls support, and i now feel
stronger about voting than ever before.  my husband just pointed me in the
direction of ralph nater.  i am terrible about this kind of stuff and was
planning on voting for gore, because......well....... he is not bush and i
had no idea who nater was.  but now that i see who nater is, i can't believe
what i almost did.  it seems that everything that i believe he feels the
same way about.  anyway my friend says she wanted to vote for nater, but
because she is afraid bush will win she is voting for gore.  is this really
how it goes?  the girls say that your vote counts and i think it does, but
why would you use it to vote for someone in order to make sure someone else
doesn't win.  is it me or is that so backwards?  now i wonder how many
people will be voting like this.  i would be really interested to see how
listees are voting.  i respect everyone's opinion, just curious.  any
comments email privately.

traci drago
st. louis, mo
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i saw this on a bumper today...

"bore and gush make me wanna...ralph! www.votenader.com"

lol!

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ok my question is this: does anyone have any recordings of any of the hte
shows that include dar williams? or bonnie raitt? from anywhere?

i will weigh in the nader stuff more when i have time, maybe tonight.

thanks, jess
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*ahem* (i swear i'll shut up soon ;-)

wonderful point!!
as nader might say
"if you vote for the lesser of 2 evils, you still get evil and you still get
the lesser"
thanks
carol
(who is disturbed by the fact that on that test i took, i got my #1 as the
socialist guy...nader was second. ah well)

ps- is this kinda a "me-too?"
sorry!
*****

from: traci drago <n_d_go_grl@hotmail.com>
anyway my friend says she wanted to vote for nater, but
because she is afraid bush will win she is voting for gore.  is this really
how it goes?  the girls say that your vote counts and i think it does, but
why would you use it to vote for someone in order to make sure someone else
doesn't win.  is it me or is that so backwards?  now i wonder how many
people will be voting like this.
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well, i figure since quite a few of y'all have taken
the opportunity to campaign for candidates (seems to
mostly be nader...)  just thought i would encourage
everyone to please read about the political views of
harry browne, the libertarian candidate.  i think a
lot of people ignore the smaller parties and don't
even bother to find out what they stand for.
if you would like info on him, go here and click on
harry browne and click compare candidates.  :-)

http://www.selectsmart.com/president/compare.html

thanks!
sharon

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yeah....i want some of those because the dinner thing is sold out.....

so iffn you have some extras...let me know!!!!

carol

ps- if you want veggie dogs call the guy and tell him you want them. he
basically said he was looking into it, but he dosn't really care.
maybe if we kept trying he will. even if you're not a vegetarian, do it for
the others who are.
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hey y'all,
i know i've procrastinated too long on this, but if
anyone has any help, that would be great...
i'm trying to find if anyone has the phone numbers (or
have an idea of where i can find them) for information
on the shows in nc at app. state and wake forest. i
need to talk with someone in charge of the venue
itself, not just some student who answers phones at
the school. and i really need to get in touch with
them asap!

i'm a senior in college majoring in audio recording
and i have an independent study project where i have
to go to concerts and interview the audio techs and
diagram the mic placement and all that good stuff.  i
figured maybe since these venues are colleges, they'd
be more likely to let me do this.  so if anyone has
the #'s or knows who i can talk to or any
ideas...please, please, please help me! i only have
till the end of this semester (about dec. 1) to finish
the project and i'm supposed to have done about 5
concerts.  and of course i've barely started.... :-)

thanks y'all for any help!! :-)

sharon (who is praying she'll be able to graduate in
may despite her terrible lack of enthusiasm for school
this semester and her tendency to procrastinate)

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i whole heartedly agree that ideally we would not be voting for "the lesser
of two evils". i agree with nader's social policy more-so that gore's
however nader (unfortunately) will not be elected president in this year's
election. g.w. bush might be, and yes, that scares me.
out of the two candidates that have a realistic shot at the presidency i
support gore.

yt
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it finally happened, the computer geek experienced a full blown computer
meltdown that toasted my backup drive, thus destroying over 5 years of
saved email among other things.  one of the losses is my email addresses,
and i am trying to recreate as many as possible without this sort of
spam-begging.  however, if anyone has the current email address for the kim
the goddess - canadian cutie - please share it with me.  if you feel better
asking her first, please do - and tell her she owes me a letter too!  kim
has been a frequent poster here in the past but, like myself, has drizzled
to hardly any recently.  her sig has been things like "running with
scissors!", and such.  very cool person.  miss her terribly, probably owe
her an email or two (though she owes me too!), and i will throw my computer
into a vat of liquid nitrogen if i cannot get email addies like hers
back.  (yes i know her last name and even have her postal addy, but don't
feel comfy sharing that over the net.  if necessary i'll try to remember
how to use a stamp and mail her a note - won't she be shocked!!!)

for that matter, addies from the pnw-ers would be rockin' too.

this sucks.

get thee now a removable backup system, and do a backup. hurry. i thought
i was all backed up and safe, but even having a whole second drive for
backup doesn't guarantee safe backups.

oh, i think kim is on the xena list too, maybe?

tracy

heylo!

unfortunately this evening, a girl who agreed to purchase our row mm tickets
bailed on us.. it is the night before the show and we have three 12th row
center tickets with no one to take them. :(

if anyone from the list knows anyone who is in need of tickets, we're selling
our row mm seats (seats 415/417/419 center) for face value.. the concert is
tomorrow night and we would have to see the seats empty. :( therefore, please
give us a call on our cell phone at 708-343-2782 if anyone is interested and
we will gladly meet up before the show to exchange tickets for cash.

thank you.. and to all going to the show, have a great time. :) we'll be in
the first row pit, so if anyone on the list is in the pit too - say hi!

gen and gina

in a message dated 10/16/00 3:31:30 pm eastern daylight time,
n_d_go_grl@hotmail.com writes:

<<  my husband just pointed me in the
direction of ralph nater.  i am terrible about this kind of stuff and was
planning on voting for gore, because......well....... he is not bush and i
had no idea who nater was.  but now that i see who nater is, i can’t believe
what i almost did.  it seems that everything that i believe he feels the
same way about.  anyway my friend says she wanted to vote for nater, but
because she is afraid bush will win she is voting for gore.  >>

ok i have to laugh here...... it's nader not nater! :)

indi

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hi all i saw an ad on tv tonight for this fundraiser. for everyone
that clicks onto the nfl website on oct 24. they will donate $5 to the komen
foundation. spread the word.

from the www.nfl.com website
"help the nfl fight breast cancer. log on to nfl.com on tuesday, oct. 24, the
nfl's breast cancer awareness day, and visit nfl for her. the nfl will donate
$5 for every page view, up to $50,000, to the komen foundation. plus, check
out nicole miller's nfl products that are aiding the fight against breast
cancer. log on to make a difference!"

okay----for all those who care to read and for those who read but don't
care---

i have rationalized the nader vote this way:

due to the fact that the electoral college is the main controlling factor
over the presidential race--being from minnesota---the state will go
"democratic"---and get behind gore....therefore regardless of me even voting,
my state will back "the lesser of two evils"----i, on the otherhand, will not.

if, on the rare chance that hell should freeze over, and all of the minnesota
representatives in congress get a bee up their butt and send minnesota the
republican way---i'll still feel great that i've given nader one more vote
towards the goal of 5%---let alone showing all of the unfit politicians out
there that people want a freaking change.

if those rationalizations fail---all policies go through congress---with the
exception of things that the supreme court can overturn---but then, those
aren't really policies...if we have a congress that is controlled by the
democrats--even if it's just one house---there will still be much debate and
leverage to keep policies more "centerist." so, yippy....

vote your conscience.

on the subject of hte:

the mpls show rocked!!!! second row seats---powerful, powerful stuff kids.
hadn't heard or even read the lyrics to the new stuff...holy shit.

later gators....
kara.

the only setlist i have is from memory so without further adue :

1.  closer to fine
2   go
3.  virginia woolfe
4.   get out the map
5      devotion
6    little darling?.  going home (?)
7.   ??????? (someone help , i  know there's a        song i'm missing.)
8.   galileo
9.   bury my heart at wounded knee

i'm on the welfare rights committee, and we
called hte to see if we could table, they couldn't give s permission but
they gave us all
free tickets to the show ( the one i talked to was sympathetic to the
cause, and promised to give amy a newsletter, and our statement of who
we are, and what we do.)

so my friends got to go, which is a real treat,  they can't afford the
shows, and pay rent. and
so we went together, came home together, but
i already bought a seat.  we all had a great tme. we all missed annie
humphrey, but everyone else was great....i enjoyed shannon, and david,
and (am i mistaken or was shawn mullins there too? i thought he was
playing right next to shannon on one song. i could be wrong as i have
never seen him and had only one tiny black and white  to go by.)

and i liked jackson, like most of the other artists, i am not familiar
with his stuff. so i can't tell you all what they did.

i really like winona laduke, she is such a wonderful speaker...i wish
she was running for prez instead of ralph nader, but oh, well
i can't have it all.

my one little thing...they were rushed for time

sully  threw me a pick. (speaking of sully, david crosby, who sounded
wonderful,  i add,
likened her to xena's renee o'connor.  i can definetly see the
rsemblance)

amy is really looking good, is she really that tall or is it just my
imagination? emiy looked a little tired tonight. but she was right on
the money as usual.

well, it's late, and i had a rough night last night.

peace
barb

http://community.webtv.net/ritesofpassage9/foreverindigogirls

>128/new indigo girls retrospective [1]

hmmm--this is fairly disappointing but not surprising i guess.  could it be
because i have seen not even one write up on this cd collection.  has
anyone seen a review of retrospective in a major publication?  i kept
looking  through entertainmant weekly which always reviews ig stuff.  no
mention or review unless i missed it.  i am just curious as to whether
mainstream media feels this is a good sampling of ig material or a sham
like they usually dub greatest hits albums.  anyone have info?
thanks--greg, who is pretty psyched about tomorrow night's hte performance
in chicago.  see you there.

thought you guys would be interested in this:

on c-span - gore tries to debate nader on october 20th

on friday, october 20th, from 8-9:30 pm eastern time,
judicial watch will host a nationally televised presidential
debate featuring six of the seven qualified presidential
candidates. john hagelin, al gore, ralph nader, pat buchanan,
harry browne, and howard phillips have all accepted--only
george w. bush has declined.

c-span has committed to televising the debate, and fox tv and
american voice radio are considering coverage. the debate will
be moderated by a highly respected journalist, and the panel will
be composed of other journalists from well-known national
newspapers--both liberal and conservative.

seven lecterns will be set up on stage--no matter who attends
the debate. each candidate will give an opening and closing
statement and will be asked questions by the panel in rotating
order.

the questions, while not set in advance, will reflect judicial
watch concerns about ethics in politics--bribery laws, corporate
control of government, independent counsel issues, etc.

about 600 people have been invited to the debate and to a
reception immediately following, including over 30 ambassadors
and their seconds-in-command, as well as the entire washington
press corps.

we urge everyone to watch this debate, which certainly promises
to be the most interesting and representative presidential debate
of the season. as always, please check your local listings for
up-to-the-minute scheduling; tv and radio news stations reserve
the right to make last-minute changes.

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"if a baseball player slides into home plate and, right before the
umpire rules if he is safe or out, the player says to the umpire-
"here is $1,000." what would we call that? we would call that a
bribe. if a lawyer was arguing a case before a judge and said, "your
honor before you decide on the guilt or innocence of my client, here
is $1,000." what would we call that? we would call that a bribe. but
if an industry lobbyist walks into the office of a key legislator and
hands her or him a check for $1,000, we call that a campaign
contribution. we should call it a bribe."

janice fine, dollars and sense magazine

in a message dated 10/16/2000 11:25:41 pm pacific daylight time,
gflame@megsinet.net writes:

> >128/new indigo girls retrospective [1]
>
> hmmm--this is fairly disappointing but not surprising i guess. could it be
> because i have seen not even one write up on this cd collection.

i'm not sure it's so surprising either. the girls have a way of releasing
stuff already released for (i guess) commercial gain. their regular fans
don't want to fall into the trap too often probably.

tricia
who saw the ig when they still had to give free concerts way back when-what a
discovery!

okay, i just posted a really long review of the concert on the official
site's bbs. it is under tour info and it is called minneapolis review
(long). go there and read it if you would like. take care y'all!
-mi rinda

did anyone boot the mpls show? if so, i'm willing to send a blank
cdr/cassette, or trade
boots. i have a las vegas hob boot, you could have.

peace
barb

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did you know that it's beautiful women month?
> >       well it is and that means you and me.
> >
> >       did you know that if shop mannequins were
> >   real women they'd be
> >       too thin to menstruate?
> >
> >       there are 3 billion women who don't look like
> >   supermodels and
> >       only eight who do.
> >
> >       marilyn monroe wore a size 14.
> >       if barbie was a real woman, she'd have to
> >   walk on all fours due
> >       to her proportions.
> >
> >       the average woman weighs 144 lbs. and wears
> >   between a 12-14.
> >
> >       one out of every four college aged women has
> >   an eating disorder.
> >
> >       the models in the magazines are airbrushed -
> >   not perfect!
> >
> >       a psychological study in 1995 found that
> >   three minutes spent
> >       looking at a fashion magazine caused 70% of
> >   women to feel depressed,
> >       guilty,
> >       and shameful.
> >
> >       models twenty years ago weighed 8% less than
> >   the average woman.
> >       today they weigh 23% less.
> >
> >       an english professor wrote the words, "woman
> >   without her man is
> >       nothing," on the blackboard and directed the
> >   students to
> >       punctuate it correctly.
> >       the men wrote: "woman, without her man, is
> >   nothing."
> >       the women wrote: "woman! without her, man is
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> >
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> >   way out of date!
> >           25 years of age  ~  well, she might know
> >   a little bit about it.
> >           35 years of age  ~  before we decide,
> >   let's get mom's opinion.
> >           45 years of age  ~  wonder what mom would
> >   have thought about it?
> >           65 years of age  ~  wish i could talk it
> >   over with mom.
> >
> >       beauty of a woman:
> >           the beauty of a woman is not in
> >           the clothes she wears
> >           the figure she carries
> >           or the way she combs her hair.
> >           the beauty of a woman
> >           must be seen from her eyes,
> >           because that is the doorway to her heart,
> >           the place where love resides.
> >           the beauty of a woman
> >           is not in a facial mole,
> >           but true beauty in a woman
> >           is reflected in her soul.
> >           it is the caring that she lovingly gives,
> >           the passion that she shows,
> >           the beauty of a woman
> >           with passing years - only grows.
> >

my husband and i are going to the earth challenge show on the 28th, but
still don't have hotel reservations. can anyone recommend anything
near the park that's clean and safe, but won't cost us our firstborn?
thanks for the help!

jane mcclarin

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hello all.  one of our fellow listees, dovesland, lost everything she owned
in a fire this morning.  i am placing a call for help out to all of you on
her behalf.  i am coordinating a donation drive to purchase a gift
certificate to wal-mart for her so she can buy things like underwear, shoes,
blankets, dishes, etc.  (all those things that any one of us can easily take
for granted).  she lost all of her things -- cd's included so any of you who
would be willing to make boots for her let me know.  if you are interested
in helping out (even a dollar would help) please respond to this email or
email me at circuitgeek@hotmail.com

thank you,

nancy

i got this from the cnn website:

hollywood (reuters) -- "xena: warrior
princess" will vanquish her last enemy this
spring, when the popular syndicated show
ends its run after six seasons. firstrun
episodes will continue to air through
summer 2001.

although "xena," which is produced for
well north of $1 million per episode, is the
top-rated hourlong action show in
syndication, viewership has declined over
the years.

one reason for the erosion is that the prime time periods in which it was
launched are no longer available, said steve rosenberg, president of the
show's distributor, studios usa domestic tv.

since the advent of multinight programming on
broadcast networks the wb, upn and to a certain extent fox, "xena" and
similar shows no longer air in
primetime during the week.

instead, syndicated weeklies are relegated primarily to weekend
afternoons,when viewership is lower and the chances of preemption in favor of
sports and
other programming are high.

rosenberg also said that while no spinoff of "xena" is in the works, it is a
possibility down the line. and he's intent on continuing to work with the
show's
producers, renaissance pictures, and its star, lucy lawless, on future
projects.

lawless will likely talk publicly this week about her future, as she's slated
to appear on "rosie o'donnell" tuesday, as a co-host on "live! with regis" on
wednesday and on "conan o'brien" wednesday night.

"xena" topped the firstrun weekly action hour genre in the 1999-2000 tv
season, averaging a 3.3 national household rating. it airs on 200 tv stations,
reaching 99 percent of the united states.

all i have to say is:
"ai ai ai ai ai ai ai!!!!"

actually, i confess that i've been out of the xena "loop" for the past few seasons. like many others have been, apparently.
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xena's not on during prime time anymore, in some places? hmmm, all i
know is that it's still very popular in the twin cities, and in fact,
was moved into the ten pm slot on sunday nights, and has stayed there
since. is ten on sundays considerred prime time?.

anyway, as a long time xenite, i will definitely miss the show. but ole
xena's been sorry for her sins for so long, it's high time she and gabby
settled down to raise a family. i like to see xena when's she's happy.

as much as i like to see her kick butt!

alalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalla sheeeeeyih!!!!!

bye bye

barb

http://community.webtv.net/ritesofpassage9/foreverindigogirls

well from what i have been hearing in the xenaverse.. if you like
subtext..... set your vcr's...
they've got nothing to lose..
they could go out with a bang!

okay, i have played guitar for like 25 years...self taught mostly country, indigo girls, religious, melissa eagles, paul simon etc.....( slow stuff some fast )
however, a friend of mine has a band who are doing a show on saturday night. they play celtic music, reels, jigs, slip jigs...faster than shit stuff......
i agreed to help em out since their guitar player bailed out on em....i have the songs and can play most...they are just so darn fast, i don't memorize well...especially not 45 songs in a week( or less)
i was wondering if anyone out there had any hints ets for doing this...
oh yeah...did i mention i am extremely shy when it comes to playing in front of even a handful of people. we are to have over 1000 guest....do 4 45 minute sessions...

any ideas??? email me privately....
i think perhaps bushmills and valium might be out .....

loralei riney
eligibility supervisor/membership analyst
bannerhealth system
445 w. 5th place suite 107
mesa, az. 85201
480-827-4829
loralei.riney@bannerhealth.com

well, quite a few people from the ig bulletin board
(probably including myself and the friend who's coming
with me) are staying at the hampton inn in downtown
atlanta. it's 3 miles from centennial park... 759
pollard blvd. the # is 404-658-1961. i believe it's
about $75 a night.

sharon

--- janie mcclarin <rmac@mediaone.net> wrote:
> my husband and i are going to the earth challenge
> show on the 28th, but
> still don't have hotel reservations. can anyone
> recommend anything
> near the park that's clean and safe, but won't cost
> us our firstborn?
> thanks for the help!
>
> jane mcclarin
>

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ok i have some questions...(do all my posts start out this way?), i was
wondering what people knew to do about lost tickets...through ticketmassa
:::whip::::?...i am not saying i lost indigo girls tickets..cause that would
be bad...but um...i just might not be able to place them at this
time...maybe... ::::innocent grin:::: yeah so um...and i didn't buy them
myself they were a gift...from someone who was given them as a gift..so
bascially what would one do if they lost..er uh misplace tix and didnt have
the credit card number?..is there a way to fix this?

thanks..

carla :o)

also...

"spend my time being broken hearted and grieving bound" amy ray

ok so i am posting to find out if any one needs a room or knows anyone that
needs a room in the baltimore city area close to umbc, umb, and catonsville
community college...or someone who needs a room in the burtonsville
area...close to college park...ok um...yeah these places are in
maryland...just in case you were wondering.. thanks..

carla :o)

"spend my time being broken hearted and grieving bound" amy ray

hello everyone.  i'm a little of a mess today.  just saw "boys don't cry"
and just heard about dovesland's apartment fire.  then, i think of what
i'll be doing this time next week!  i feel like i'm a little kid waiting
for a fun elementary school field trip while my homelife sucks ass.

we've got a group of people driving together from winston-salem to
atlanta early morning on the 28th (to get there to see all the great
speakers, i'm actually thinking of leaving really early, but i don't know
what everybody else thinks). i would announce this on all the message
boards out there, but i dont' have internet access lately. please don't
flame me for using the list for this.

if you are driving from winston-salem to atlanta on the 28th, come join
our traveling caravan of gypsies. (i'm getting some crazy signs for my
truck.)

-cheebugger

ps.  if you do have internet access, could you please post this message
on all the message boards out there?  tell people to e-mail me at
cheebug@juno.com.  thanks fellow freaks.

pss.  i mean i'm really messed up b/c of that movie.  weird how such a
movie can hit you when it resembles your own life in some ways.
sometimes i get scared but sometimes i just turn the other cheek.  i'm
finding it hard to do that lately.  i have got to get out of this redneck
town.

not too long ago i found a wendy bucklew cd (rage in the ring, a
1990 re-release) in the bargain bin at my local indie record store. i
recognized the name from early days of indigo and figured "hell, even if
she sucks, i can live without the $2.97 this will set me back."

listen #1: wow, this is pretty good. probably worth the $2.97.
listen #2: wow. this is *really* good. i'm glad i bought this.
listen #3: why on earth didn't i go chasing after wendy bucklew as soon as
i heard her name?

although she isn't much like ig, i think a lot of y'all would
really appreciate her. her music is very spare - kind of like an edgier
patty griffin. in fact, she's all the things i like about patty griffin
minus all the things i don't. and come to think of it, she came first. so
i guess patty griffin is a schmoopier wendy bucklew.
so folks, take a minute and stop by her website (wendybucklew.com,
surprising as that may seem) - there are song clips from a couple of
different albums posted. there's also a photo of wendy with amy ray... or
maybe that's on lisa's page o'pictures. i forget. it's a cute photo. but
anyway, the igc alone should be reason enough to visit the website and
give the song clips a try - the music itself will probably keep you there.

mandy,
as always, with the hard sell

                so go ahead, push your luck
                say what it is you gotta say to me
                we will push on into this mystery
                and it'll push right back
                and there are worse things than that...
                                  *dar williams*

www.thehungersite.org
www.honorearth.org
* *
go rake some outrageous muck!

does anyone have the chords to "lick my legs, i'm on fire"? i'm going to
an open mic night and i think i'll play this b/c i'm gettin' sick of my
stuff. i know there are some polly fans here....

chee hill
p.o. box 4223
canton, ga 30114
usa
ph: 770-606-0405

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> well from what i have been hearing in the xenaverse.. if you like
> subtext..... set your vcr's...

um, yeah . . . from what i've seen so far, that would be, um . . . a major
understatement.

*wipes steam off computer monitor*

while avoiding spoilers, i just have to say "whoa."

sharon g. s. bugante -- shaniezak@la-ex-heds.com
http://www.la-ex-heds.com -- a tribute to hedwig l.a.
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for us today is today because we can't remember that yesterday
was today?" -- xena: warrior princess

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as i was listening yet again to american tune this morning, i wondered
if the original version by paul simon is sung acappella, too. i've
never heard his version - and does he sing it by himself or with art
g.? anyone know?

elaine

<<as i was listening yet again to american tune this morning, i wondered if
the original version by paul simon is sung acappella, too. i've never heard
his version - and does he sing it by himself or with art g.? anyone know?>>

paul simon's original recording wasn't a capella and neither was the other,
perhaps even more famous, version he sang with art at the concert in central
park in 1981 (and from which the wonderful 'attack of the killer b-sides'
paul/art/amy/emily quartet version is faked...)

neil
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>ps.  if you do have internet access, could you please >post this message
>on all the message boards out there?  tell people to e->mail me at
>cheebug@juno.com.  thanks fellow freaks.

okay, i just had to comment on this because i found it so funny that you
said "fellow freaks".  just the other night a fellow ig lover sent me a copy
of atlanta wine with emily on the cover just because she knew i would love
it.  well, my husband asks me what was in the envelope and i tell him.  he
said, "it's nice to know that you are not the only indigo freak in the
world!"
i found it funny and had to share!  thanks for the chuckle today!

could someone please forward me that post about the schedule again? i lost
mine!

also, could someone please send me the website addy. i can't find that
either.

thanks so much.
amanda

hey y'all,

i would have posted last night, but we got home late.

all i can say is "i am amazed."  amazed at the entire honor the earth
experience.  the indigo girls rocked as usual, but just being at an honor the
earth show (i missed the entire '97 tour) was an experience that i can't
quite describe.  i have been an hte supporter for years now (and becky, who i
went with, was so into the cause as well), so the show just really tied
everything together for us.

becky and i arrived at the chicago theater at around 4:30pm.  we heard
soundcheck from the lobby.  the sound quality was amazing.  we only heard the
girls' sound check.  they played devotion, nueva senorita, and philosophy of
loss.  awesome.

later (as we were walking around downtown trying to grab a bite to eat), we
saw sulli outside.  we were going to just walk by (knowing that she has to be
busy before a show), but she stopped us (she must've remembered us from eku
where we were hanging out with her after the show after the busses and trucks
were all packed).  it was cool.  we asked her if our seats were good, and she
said that they were.  cool.  while she was setting up right before annie
humphries, she looked out to wave at us.  way cool.

let's see, the actual show....as many of you know, this year the main issues
at stake are the killing of the buffalo and the transporting of nuclear waste
across the midwest and then just dumping it onto native land. pretty sick,
right?  annie humphries opened up.  she was very good.  i had not really
heard of her before hte.  she is a native american out of the minneapolis
area.  lovely voice, and her strong spirit was a wonderful addition to hte.

david crosby was up next.  so funny.  and talented.  he made a comment that
he had barrowed emily's guitar (sulli was also teching for david.  she coined
him as an "honorary lesbian."  that was funny.) so he had to be really
careful.  then, something blew.  so he continued the song totally "sound
free."  no guitar.  just him singing acapella.  wow.  afterwards, the sound
was fixed, and he continued his set.  later, he invited emily up to do a song
with him.

after david, there was an intermission. we were reminded to fill out our
action cards and give them to the card collectors in the lobby.

after the intermission, the girls played "redemption song."  then they showed
a the a movie.  the movie was so powerful.  ulali sang in the background to a
series of images, many of them hard to view.  after the movie came the
speakers, one of the highlights of the show.  winona laduke spoke.  that
woman has it together.  the subjects of the speeches were mainly about the
issues at stake.  but in illinois, they tended to focus on the trasportation
of nuclear waste because illinois is one of the states this stuff will be
transported through.  basically, environmentally damaging and dangerous
nuclear waste will be coming right through chicagoans' backyards.  i also
learned that at the lyons (france), the "powerful" nations added nuclear
power onto their list of "clean sources of enrgy," given nations that use and
produce this kind of power "credits."  i was extermely disheartened to hear
that japan signed this treaty.  after hiroshima and nagasaki, japan likes to
pride itself on being nuclear power free.  anyway, i am not going to get into
that on this list because i could ramble on for hours since i have a lot of
personal ties to japan, and still feel a sense of responsbility to hiroshima
(not just the actual dropping of the bomb, but the education and pleas for
peace that contuine until this day).

anyway...i am digressing.  after the speakers, jackson browne took to the
stage.  i hadn't really heard any of his stuff before, but i thought he
sounded great.  becky and i also liked how he played requests from the
audience.  at one point, he had his guitar all tuned up and ready for a song.
someone yelled out a request (there were a few big time jackson fans there
which just added to the coolness of his set) and he put down his guitar and
walked over to the piano to play it.  i also liked hos political his songs
were.  he played one song which he had written about central america, but can
really be about the united state's policy to any other nation.  (does anyone
know the title of that one?).  at the end of his set, david crosby joined
him.  those two have obviously played many benefits together and had become
friends.  their bond was really cool.

the girls were on after david crosby.  the setlist:  gone again, the wood
song, devotion, love's recovery, chickenman, leaving, shame on you, get out
the map, nueva senorita, galileo (w/ jackson browne), and bury my heart at
wounded knee (with all).  10 songs total.  a great setlist.  let's see.  no
one was standing.  so during shame on you, becky and i just got up and
started dancing (yes, we were the two down in the second row (not pit,
though)...the only two standing for a while).   before nueva senorita, amy
told a story about how the women in chiapas go to make textiles.  since they
can not stockpile (not enough money), every year, they have to start over.
on their way to leave to make the textiles, it is very dangerous for them.
they often get harassed and even raped.  after hearing that, nueva senorita
takes on a different meaning for me.  oh, and the girls brought carol issacs.
great to see her again.  the girls themselves were really upbeat and chatty.
at one point, they both cracked up.  amy (i think!  but it could have been
emily...i forgot) made a comment how they have been playing together for 20+
years and can still entertain each other.  oh, and amy talked about her
beloved university of chicago coffee cup.  but then she whispered into the
mic "it's really tea."  :-)   the highlights of the set for me were leaving
(and now, unlike berkeley, i actually knew the correct words.  hehe), nueva
senorita, love's recovery, and of course bury my heart at wounded knee
(sounded great acoustically).

after the show, becky and i waited by the busses.  we had to talk to sulli
again (we had this note...).  and i wanted the girls to sign my n*i*s cd (the
original, not the remaster).  the girls did come out and sign stuff.  i was
excited, but it;s not like i haven't met them before.  besides, the crowds
outside were big.  so as soon as becky and i found sulli (who told us to give
the letter directly to a or e, because <wink> they would be coming out that
door soon...security had lied as usual...) and got a and e to sign my cd
cover (which means a lot to me to finally have my n*i*s signed because that
is my favorite cd by far, and the cover is in such horrible condition since i
had it since 1990), we just left.  i am not sure how long amy hung around
(emily signed stuff and got right on the bus), because when we left, there
were still heaps of people there.

anyway, what a great night!  this was one of the best shows i have ever seen,
not necessarily just the girls, the entire experience.  it was so amazing.  i
still can't believe that i finally attended an hte show.  on saturday night,
i have columbus to look forward to, and that will be my last ig show for
quite sometime.  sulli told becky and i that they were probably going to take
about a year off.  amy may tour with the butchies next year, though!

ok, seeing how long this post is, i am going to end it here. thanks for
reading.

:-) karen

http://www.geocities.com/karen_rosenblum
add your site!!!:
http://www.ringsurf.com/netring?ring=iglistees;action=addform

hi y'all,
     just wanted you to know in case you aren't checking her website, that
michelle has her november concerts up and one of the shows is in portland, or
which is local to me.  although not all dates are west coast.  for a complete
list go to:
http://www.michellemalone.com/tour.html
here is the direct link:
<a href="http://www.michellemalone.com/tour.html">michelle malone: tour dates
</a>
     and if you are interested she has a new cd (compilation of live versions)
:-)
kim

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* erin mckeown's album distillation (signature sounds recordings,
distributed by koch) is in stores now! please go and ask for it! even if
you've got a copy, friendly reminders help these stores to get the discs
out of the back room and onto the shelves.

*you can order distillation online (with credit card) through
www.signtaure-sounds.com/erinmckeown or (without credit card) by visiting
erin mckeown's newly redesigned site, www.erinmckeown.com

*big cd release show! tonite!
wednesday october 18th at the met cafe in providence.
mckeown will headline with her band, the fancy music machine.
this week's phoenix featured the lady as covergirl, and they
are sponsoring the show. doors at 8pm. show starts at 9pm sharp. the amazing
kris delmhorst opens.

*wbur, boston's npr station will be doing a feature on the lady
wednesday october 18th at 12.15pm. listen live in boston at 90.9fm or on
the web at www.wbur.org

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well, the way ig sing it it sure sounds like a bonafide simon &
garfunkel cover to me.

peace
barb

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is there an easy to use /understand chart or guide out there somewhere ( =
maybe even printable from web) for transposing guitar notes?=20

sparkie

oh one ig content thing..i fell asleep last night around 1 or so and woke =
up with the tv still on around 4 am..i only woke up cause the show ( have =
no idea what it was) had the girls doing closer to fine in the background..=
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it is done with art and their is music.

the ig version is just them, and if you go to neil's website, their is a
version he made that is awesome...

he mixed the girls with the boys and it sounds as if the four of them are on
the same stage. totaly cool!

joe
brooklyn,ny

hkf! i just had a little something to share-- i am in school here at u of a
and 2 of my roomates and i are in the same sorority-- anyhow the 3rd roommate
is in a different sorority and we all just had our fall cocktail
parties....which of course are noted by the events t-shirts. well my roommate
came in and she had on a shirt that had van gough's "starry nights" and the
caption of the t-shirt said, "i could go crazy on a night like tonight." of
course she had no idea where the quote came from but i sure as heck let her
know real fast :) <she is sensitive to my indigo obsession...> i thought is
was really neato. also wrax is birmingham's big rock station and they feature
a morning show on sunday's that is the "lighter side of alternative" or so
they say-- anyhow the past two weeks they have featured "leaving" as one of
their big air play songs. yea! i was all excited and thought i'd pass along
the info. y'all have a great night! takce care-- ashley

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i'm thinking of taking my gf to sedona for her birthday in december. does
anyone on the list have any suggestions as to where to hike, play, stay,
etc.? most likely we'll fly into phoenix and rent a car.

what can i expect from the weather in late dec.?

neither of us has been to arizona, so all suggestions are welcome - we
don't *have* to go to sedona, it just looks fun and the airfare to phoenix
is pretty reasonable.

please reply off list.

thanks,
bon

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hey all-
sorry for the nigc, as ever, but i have a query/favor to ask, and i figure
you'd be my best resource. as ever.

if anyone lives in the providence ri area,
could you please pick me up a copy of this week's providence phoenix?
it's free. it's got erin mckeown on the cover. it's not where i am.
please? i'll kiss every one of your toesies. swear.

heart,
jill

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hi everybody:

if anyone has sent me any messages about attending the list meet next
saturday,
i didn't get them. we're changing our email service to microsoft
outlook (i have no
clew how to use it) and my messages for the past 5 days won't be coming
in for a
couple of days - i'm completely lost. so, if you did write me to
reserve a spot for you,
could you write me again at woodlady14@hotmail.com for now until i get
back in the
loop.

i miss you guys - i'm so lonesome without my email.
c

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thanks for the hotel advice.  after much searching, we settled on
staying at the omni at the cnn center.  the rates are pretty steep
compared to what we're used to, (we pride ourselves on our cheapness)
;-), but we managed to snag a really good deal for friday and saturday
nights.  we decided that we would rather stay right on the park, so that
we didn't have to deal with navigating around atlanta too much,  about
finding parking, and we would be close to the hotel in case of an
emergency.  this is the first time ever that richard and i are getting
away without our children, and we're just a tad nervous about it, so
being close to our hotel the majority of the time we're going to be away
will hopefully give us some small sense of security.  if this is not
such a good idea (unsafe area to stay in, etc.) please let me know in
time to try to make other reservations!  once again, any help is greatly
appreciated!

also, we will be in atlanta in time for dinner friday,  and plan on
trying to make watershed for dinner.  we also plan on hitting the flying
biscuit for sunday brunch before leaving town.  anyone interested in
meeting up (we'll also be at the listmeet), email me privately.

jane mcclarin

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date:         wed, 18 oct 2000 19:58:23 -0700
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at 05:38 pm 10/18/2000 -0700, bonster wrote:
>i'm thinking of taking my gf to sedona for her birthday in december. does
>anyone on the list have any suggestions as to where to hike, play, stay,
>etc.? most likely we'll fly into phoenix and rent a car.
>
>what can i expect from the weather in late dec.?
>
>neither of us has been to arizona, so all suggestions are welcome - we
>don't *have* to go to sedona, it just looks fun and the airfare to phoenix
>is pretty reasonable.

it's gorgeous and well worth your while. only about two or three hours
from phoenix. red rocks, green trees. christmas is a good time, at
los abrigados resort they have all these lights, it's really pretty (watch
out though, they might try and sell you a timeshare). :)

arizona weather varies widely, it could snow, or it could be pretty nice.
bring a jacket for sure though.

oak creek canyon is the big attraction there. but it's all beautiful.
you'll find plenty to do - you can pretty much drive anywhere and
find beautiful places to hike. and there's tons of galleries and
shops if you like that sort of thing.

here are some links that might help:

http://www.arizonaguide.com:80/destinations/cities/sedona.shtml

http://www.azcentral.com:80/travel/destinations/arizona/canyon/sedonaoakcreek.shtml

http://www.arizonaguide.com:80/cities/sedona/maps.html

http://www.sedona.net/

http://www.travelsedona.com/

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by any chance does anyone know if the columbus 10/21 show is sold out??

and if so... .does anyone have any extra tickets?

it is a friend of mine's birthday... and she would *love* to go...

thanks
kate

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date: wed, 18 oct 2000 11:38:09 -0600
from: jessica byers <jess913@blackfoot.net>
subject: erin mckeown (nigc)

go see erin - she's great - and if you see her this friday night in
annapolis, well, i'll be playing at that show, too.
somebody mentioned wendy bucklew today - i have to voice my opinion of her
too - she is an amazing live performer (and doesn't play enough these days-
or at least not on the east coast) and her cds are
wonderful.(http://www.wendybucklew.com)
other people of note: patty larkin is playing in annapolis next week
(http://www.pattylarkin.com)
mary gauthier is playing everywhere, all the time - she is very country, and
very cool -i've never seen such a busy tour schedule
(http://www.marygauthier.com)
rebecca riots are wonderful if you like old-school ig harmonies - they're on
the west coast right now (http://www.rebeccariots.com)
eliot bronson is a friend of mine with a david wilcox style, gorgeous
guitar-work, and a beautiful smile. he's going to take the folk world by
storm sometime very, very soon. (http://www.electrobus.com/eliot)
sonia is back in the us after her australian tour. (http://www.soniadf.com)
she'll be everywhere, too - seattle for rockrgrl (as will michelle malone,
melissa ferrick, etc etc etc - i'll be there to cheer them all on);
tennessee (i'm opening - nov 16), georgia (eddie's attic -nov 18).
just thought i'd share some musical recommendations -

sarah pinsker
shameless plug - upcoming tourdates for me in baltimore, annapolis, johnson
city (tn), asheville, chapel hill, fredericksburg, etc. can be seen at
http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=sarah%20pinsker while my website
is under renovation.

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i admit it! i watch dawsons creek! tonite, shawn colvin was singing "never
saw blue." can anyone say "never seen blue" by tori amos!?!??
ack!
speaking of dawson...anyone see buffy yesterday, spike was talking to the
tv...something about pacey on dawsons creek...

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hello everyone. i was also wondering about places to stay. anyone know any
fairly close places with reasonable prices? (preferably walking
distance...don't want to deal with traffic and parking)

secondly, does anyone know if this is going to be an acoustic show or if the
band going to be there?

any info would be greatly appreiciated.

amanda

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hey everyone,

did anyone happen to catch this weeks episode of the "west wing'?' well, let
me tell you this: major support to the gay community and a major poke at that
"dr." laura person.

the dialogue was lifted from that internet response that quoted the old
testament about touching the skin of a dead pig and if you should burn your
wife for wearing 2 different types of thread. you all get the point.

i sat in my chair and cheered as martin sheen ripped into this substitute for
the real radio dr. it was unexpected and amazing.

sorry for the nigc.. but i guess you had to be there.

peace
kathleen

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date:         thu, 19 oct 2000 05:55:10 -0700
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go see lift tonight!!! they are playing somewhere in town at 9pm for a cmj showcase

check out www.liftrocks.com for details!!!

thanks!
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hey,

i am off to visit a friend at school, and then to central ohio for the
columbus show. that means i won't be on e-mail until sunday or monday. if
we are in the midst of setting up a trade, i'll get back to you on monday.
:-)

also, anyone going to the columbus show...look for me! i am short (5ft) and
i'll be wearing a red longsleeve tee-shirt w/ a blue fleece vest and cargo
pants. i'll be with someone who is taller than i am (like everyone) and has
long straight blonde hair.

see y'all!

:-) karen

ps- anyone who went to a wisconsin hte show (especially the reservation
one!!!), i would be interested in reading a review. :-)

http://www.geocities.com/karen_rosenblum
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ok, we didn't get home until 2:30, so this review is gonna be short.

they played (not in any order, believe me)
redemption song
get out the map
go
gone again
power of two
some ? song about a native women who died in columbia
closer to fine
galileo (with jackson browne)
johnny rotten
chickenman (with some other short song inside of it)
devotion
phil. of loss
everything in its own time (is that the actual title of that song? sorry,
haven't listened to sots in a while)
and there was possibly another song, but maybe someone else who went knows.

we were in the bleachers, with sounds kinda crappy (but what did we expect?
my gf only bought tickets like 7 hours before the show.) the view was one of
the best i've had of them, but that's probably not saying much.

during anne humpries (is that right at all?) set two very annoying women
behind us were making fun of her.  i kind you not.  i shouldn't make any
judgments, but grr....they were total femme-bots.  they both probably got
their hair and nails done before the show.    when anne (annie?) said
something about the feather on her guitar is not like jewel's, they
spritzheads said, "sure it's not, honey."  they also disappeared during
jackson browne's set, so it was fine by me.

we had a bevy of jackson browne guy fans around us...which was kinda funny.
at the end of every song they cheered "woo jackson-yeah." it was funny.

during the ig's set, amy broke a thumbnail pretty far down.
then the discussed jackson's ability to grow long nails, and amy said, 'he's
a handsome man." and emily agreed.  then amy said "i don't know why i said
that.  weird night."   (:
also, to introduce "go", amy said, "this song is about our southern high
school tour and how they banned us 'cause we're gay.  but the kids were real
cool and came out to free concerts elsewhere, and had signs and protests."

winona laduke's speech made me cry.

we waited out by the tour bus with sheryl jones and a few others
(who's an incredibly cool lady, by the way (: ) it was almost one before my
gf and i gave up. but we did hear that amy was still inside playing her
guitar in the locker room (not sure if there is any truth to that story or
not.)

fashion
amy had on a rhinestone bedecked blue button down shirt. and those blue
stretchy pants (or maybe jeans, but i don't know.)
emily was especially cute and had on adorable flared bluejeans and a dark
tshirt with a dark open button down shirt.
we heard that amy had her shirt unsnapped pretty far, but we didn't get to
see that.

i personally think amy was in a hands-off/prickly sort of mood, and that
might have been why they didn't sign anything or chat with the fans.
emily did say thanks to us as she walked past us en-route to the bus.
jackson stopped to chat, but didn't sign anything.

woo.
mel w

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just as all the conversations were going on about this song, i happened to hear it in the movie almost famous - the elton john version. i had never heard his version before and i thought it was funny how i heard it after everyone on the list was asking about it :)

~di

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it must have been nbc's night against dr. laura - on
law & order last night there was a doctor the defense
called, and under cross examination sam waterston's
character pointed out that her doctorate was not in
psychology, the disorder she spoke of was identified
by her and was not recognized by the american
psychiatric association. and the wardrobe people did
a good job of making a visual similarity to dr. laura.
:)carrie

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> hey everyone,
>
> did anyone happen to catch this weeks episode of the
> "west wing'?' well, let
> me tell you this: major support to the gay community
> and a major poke at that
> "dr." laura person.
>
> the dialogue was lifted from that internet response
> that quoted the old
> testament about touching the skin of a dead pig and
> if you should burn your
> wife for wearing 2 different types of thread. you
> all get the point.
>
> i sat in my chair and cheered as martin sheen ripped
> into this substitute for
> the real radio dr. it was unexpected and amazing.
>
> sorry for the nigc.. but i guess you had to be
> there.
>
> peace
> kathleen
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in a message dated 10/18/00 11:16:57 pm eastern daylight time,
reinventing1@mindspring.com writes:

<< go see erin - she's great - and if you see her this friday night in
annapolis, well, i'll be playing at that show, too. >>

she is also playing on sunday night at the iota cafe in arlington - so for
all you people in the dc area - go see her, she is awesome... i saw her last
night with her band and they rocked...plus she is hometown - go check her out

20 oct 333 coffeehouse, annapolis md 8pm 410.647.4275
live music, unitarian style! a great venue! hello maryland!

21 oct  the living room, nyc 9pm
    cmj music conference show, c'mon down and show those industry
    heads how to whoop it up...

22 oct  iota, arlington va 8pm 703.522.8340 split w/ jess klein
    dc metro area cd release show, look in the washington post for a
    record review this week!

sorry for the wasted bandwidth

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i haven't had a chance to order the new cd yet and i was wondering if =
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date:         thu, 19 oct 2000 23:48:09 -0400
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folks,

sorry for the nigc, this just seems like the right place..

i was watching er tonight, and what an excellent episode.  the conclusion
had some beautiful background music.  it was an amazing female vocalist, and
touching lyrics.  i can't remember the words, and i have no idea who was
singing; i would imagine a few people on the list watched tonight, and it
seems like our kind of music.

does anyone know who this was and what the name of the song was?

please help me out, i am going crazy (y'all know how it is:-)
email privately.

thanks a bundle,
-phillip

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date:         fri, 20 oct 2000 00:39:16 -0400
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hkf,

1. if anybody is traveling from charolotte to wake forest for the show and
interested in helping my friend get to the show could you please e-mail me?
i can drive her back but it would sure be a great help if she could bum a
ride up.

2.  my recent ig feel-goods...local nc state radio show had an acapella
showcase sunday and some group did galileo, kinda interesting.   called
tomboy1969 up and let her listen for a little bit.  then, the next day, i
heard a familiar voice do a spot for controlling the pet population....and
it was emily!  gonna listen more for that one.  cool radio station.

3. go nbc with west wing and law & order with their dr laura bashing. west
wing was priceless!!

thanks again for any help with #1. looking forward to next week with 3,
count 'em 3 shows!! what more could a girl ask for?!?

sarah

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date:         fri, 20 oct 2000 00:21:18 -0500
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from: "la walsh" <law@sgi.com>

http://content.gay.com/channels/news/heads/001018_chase_aol.html

gay.com, october 18, 2000

aol chief donates $8 million to church that funds ex-gay ministry
by barbara dozetos, gay.com network
    the church that received a large donation from the case foundation
announced who the donor was monday.
    america online chairman steve case and his wife, jean, donated over
$8
million last month to a school run by the rev. james kennedy, whose
church
also sponsors anti-gay programs including the "ex-gay ministry" worthy
creations.
    jean case graduated from the westminster academy in 1978.  the coral
ridge presbyterian church in fort lauderdale, fla., sits adjacent to the
school.  according to its web site, "it exists primarily to educate the
children of coral ridge families."
    among its other ministries, the church lists worthy creations, which
"provides a way out of the gay lifestyle for those who desire to change."
this program and the church's center for reclaiming america, run by janet
folger, launched the summer 1999 national ad campaign thanking sen. trent
lott and pro football player reggie white for their public anti-gay
views.
    eighteen other right-wing organizations, including the family
research
council and the christian coalition, joined in to fund the "truth in
love"
ex-gay ad campaign, featuring anne paulk, wife of john paulk.  he was
removed
last month from his position as chairman of the conversion ministry
exodus
international after he was spotted in a gay bar in washington, d.c.
    jean case is ceo of the $135 million case foundation, which has a
pattern of giving money to pro-youth and family-oriented causes.
    [steve case is online at stevecase@aol.com]
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in a message dated 10/20/00 12:51:56 am eastern daylight time,
psolowes@home.com writes:

<< folks,

sorry for the nigc, this just seems like the right place..

does anyone know who this was and what the name of the song was?

please help me out, i am going crazy (y'all know how it is:-)
email privately.

thanks a bundle,
-phillip >>

actually phillip this does have ig content...i heard that song for the first
time at the no nukes benefit the igs did in dc several years ago. the song
is called sand and water and is by beth nielsen chapman(who signed my guitar
as well as amy and emily at the reception following the show) and she said as
i recall that she wrote it for her husband who she watched die(from cancer i
believe) very poignant and beautiful

indi

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date:         fri, 20 oct 2000 02:51:36 -0400
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hey y'all.....

i just checked the station listings on mp3.com and discovered that power of
two radio is currently the #1 issues/political station. another of my
stations, strange fire was #1 in that genre for several weeks in july and
august....

power of two features the music of ig listees tara lane (aka tara james),
carrie shafer, angelyn jolly, and shelley miller, plus several of my friends
from the buffalo/wny area and some other mp3.com artists who asked me to
include them on the playlist.

please check us out at:

http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/82/power_of_two.html

thanks,
tim
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date:         fri, 20 oct 2000 04:48:54 -0400
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hey,

  listening to "devotion", i remembered that the line "when it rains it pours"
comes from a slogan for salt, but i can't think of the brand name.  i can see
the navy blue canister with the picture of the girl holding an umbrella.  does
anybody know what brand that is?  do they even still make/sell salt like that at
the grocery store anymore?

ron
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date:         fri, 20 oct 2000 01:50:15 -0700
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morton's salt.

ryan

i cannot believe in a god who wants to be praised all the time. -
friedrich wilhelm nietzsche (1844-1900)

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> behalf of ron mcbay
> sent: friday, october 20, 2000 1:49 am
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>
>
> hey,
>
>   listening to "devotion", i remembered that the line "when it
> rains it pours"
> comes from a slogan for salt, but i can't think of the brand
> name.  i can see
> the navy blue canister with the picture of the girl holding an
> umbrella.  does
> anybody know what brand that is?  do they even still make/sell
> salt like that at
> the grocery store anymore?
>
> ron
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>does anybody know what brand that is? do they even still make/sell salt like that at the grocery store anymore?<
sure do...the brand is morton salt and one of their plants is just west of salt lake city, utah.
elisanne

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<p>sure do...the brand is morton salt and one of their plants is just west of salt lake city, utah.
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you may want to start listening to your cool local radio stations
(unfortunately, atlanta has none), because leaving is being released a
single. it is being sent out as a one-track promo to radio stations. the
track on it is taken directly from the cd, so it's nothing extra special, but
hopefully it will get played on the air!

=)
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date:         fri, 20 oct 2000 07:16:48 -0700
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ron,

i think that is morton salt. it's a navy blue lable with a child in a
yellow slicker and an umbrella over her head on it. i don't know if
the slogan is actually on the salt anymore though.

jean

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i'm gonna be leaving the ypsi/arbor area around maybe 7 am, so i'll be there
around 11 maybe.

also...will there be a list meet afterward?
i wil suggest waffle house, for the memories of lilith fair...there's one on
i-71 a few exits north of the newport, if the map isn't messing with my
head. i'm gonna go there anyway i think because i'm meeting friends there
after they go see barenaked ladies.
(i wonder how many people had to pick between shows?)

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well of course i was watching er - one of the highlight 2 hrs of my week.

i'm pretty sure the song was called 'sand and water' - i'm trotting
(virtually of course) over to cdnow right now to see if i can find
it....will also try www.nbc.com under the er page and see what i can come
up. i'm on an er listserv as well - will see what i can do. the song was
beautiful, i do agree. it struck me during the show....they've played some
gorgeous stuff on er, including one of don henley's newest off his new
album...

anyway. will be back in touch.

diane

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sent: thursday, october 19, 2000 11:48 pm
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> folks,
>
> sorry for the nigc, this just seems like the right place..
>
> i was watching er tonight, and what an excellent episode.  the conclusion
> had some beautiful background music.  it was an amazing female vocalist,
and
> touching lyrics.  i can't remember the words, and i have no idea who was
> singing; i would imagine a few people on the list watched tonight, and it
> seems like our kind of music.
>
> does anyone know who this was and what the name of the song was?
>
> please help me out, i am going crazy (y'all know how it is:-)
> email privately.
>
> thanks a bundle,
> -phillip
>
> "..here is my secret, a very simple secret:  it is only with the heart
that
> one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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hey-i'm thnking about changing isp's due to steve case's foundation donating
$8mil to the
coral ridge ministries-you know the hate mongers, anti everything group in
fl; anyone have recommendations on who to look at now and what they offer?
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hey folks -

i'm going to be in paris next month, and it would be neato if there
were any parisian listees who wanted to join me for coffee one
afternoon. if so, let me know!

take care,
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on fri, 20 oct 2000, amy swenson wrote:

> i'm going to be in paris next month, and it would be neato if there
> were any parisian listees who wanted to join me for coffee one
> afternoon. if so, let me know!

awww, man...every time somebody says something about paris i get all
misty-eyed.

i'd bug you to bring back some stinky cheese and baguettes, but
unfortunately they would only be good for baseball or smacking roommates
upside the head. (now, come to think of it, there are a bunch of dishes
that need doing...hmmmm...)

darius

"blue jean baby, la lady, seamstress for the band
pretty eyed, pirate smile, you'll marry a music man..."
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> "blue jean baby, la lady, seamstress for the band
> pretty eyed, pirate smile, you'll marry a music man..."

oh, one of my favorite elton songs - aw, everything they did pre-1976
can be categorized as a favorite . . . . and you probably know this, but
i think it was bernie taupin who wrote all of elton's song lyrics, and
elton who wrote the music.

elaine

thought i'd pass this info along...the last one got a little crazy with people chatting with each other...hopefully they've fixed that!

d:)

date: monday, october 23rd
time: 9p.m. - 10p.m.
chat topic: the earth challenge
special guest: michelle malone
location: hipcity.net chat forum
(there will be a banner on the front page on monday that you may
click for access to the chat forum)

this special chat with michelle malone focuses on the earth
challenge - clean energy, clean air festival, which will be held
in centennial park on saturday, october 28th.

this solar-powered festival brings the community together to
address georgia's serious and growing air quality problem.

the festival will follow earth challenge's signature event-
shifting gears: ride for environmental action. this year's
shifting gears ride was a 1500-mile bicycle ride from norwich,
ct to atlanta, ga
to raise awareness about the need for, and viability of,
sustainable energy sources.

the festival will promote sustainable energy sources and their
positive impact on both environmental and individual health. the
event will serve as a "call to action" for the community, aiming
to empower individuals to contribute to cleaner air and better
health through their action and involvement. their action and
involvement.

rules of chat:
please be courteous during the chat and keep to the subject at
hand.
please send a ? to the room signifying that you have a question
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?'s will be answered accordingly in respect to the topic.
please no vulgar language or harassment; these will result in
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if you have a problem please send tomi a message via aol instant
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needs to keep her attention focused on the room)

if you wish to ask personal questions about michelle and her
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on fri, 20 oct 2000, elaine bean wrote:

> oh, one of my favorite elton songs - aw, everything they did pre-1976
> can be categorized as a favorite . . . . and you probably know this, but
> i think it was bernie taupin who wrote all of elton's song lyrics, and
> elton who wrote the music.

   of course -- one of the greatest songwriting collaborations of all
time.  but...elton sang it.  it comes down to my preference of quoting the
messenger rather than the originator.  :)

   and of course, everybody on this list has seen "almost famous",
right?  the bus scene where everybody sings "tiny dancer"...wow.  that's
my favorite movie of the year.  (mad props to chicken run and high
fidelity, though...)

darius

"blue jean baby, la lady, seamstress for the band
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-elton john, "tiny dancer"

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girlfight.

really nice, obsessive little independent film.
all about what you do to make yourself who you are... what you pay to get
there, what it costs for real, and what you learn in the process.

>    and of course, everybody on this list has seen "almost famous",
> right?  the bus scene where everybody sings "tiny dancer"...wow.  that's
> my favorite movie of the year.  (mad props to chicken run and high
> fidelity, though...)
>
>    darius
>
> "blue jean baby, la lady, seamstress for the band
>  pretty eyed, pirate smile, you'll marry a music man..."
>    -elton john, "tiny dancer"

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date:         fri, 20 oct 2000 14:50:07 -0400
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on fri, 20 oct 2000, kristen curry wrote:

> girlfight.
>
> really nice, obsessive little independent film.
> all about what you do to make yourself who you are... what you pay to get
> there, what it costs for real, and what you learn in the process.

not out yet around here, dangit!

   when it finally makes it to rochester, i'm taking a female teammate who
bloodied me in practice a week ago.  (...mumbles something about
teenage women in combat sports...)  :)

darius

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the music on er was beth nielson chapman.

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in a message dated 10/20/00 11:37:04 am pacific daylight time,
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> girlfight
hmmm. i'm not a fan of ritualized violence, by men or women.

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i'm a fan of martial arts and have once in awhile participated, however
i do have
concerns about boxing on a variety of levels - many of them demonstrated
in the
living, breathing and barely moving presence of muhammad ali, sadly
enough.

girlfight (the contender under examination) moves on a variety of
metaphorical
levels that make it interesting. i don't find black eyes and bloody
noses particularly
compelling without a kick-ass story to prop it up.

there's a long list of war stories that are probably driven by
ritualized violence,
and a lot of music - simon and garfunkel's "the boxer", and most of
hemingway,
that wouldn't get a read if they were excused from consideration on the
basis
of ritualized violence.

emilyraliers@aol.com wrote:

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> > girlfight
> hmmm. i'm not a fan of ritualized violence, by men or women.

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anyone catch the indigo girls mentioned on providence friday evening
season opener? lynn

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hi everyone!

bethany, her fiance and i will be making our appearance late in the day, as
they both have to work until 5 or so. here's our problem: we obviously can't
get there until close to show time, and we can't pick up our tickets at the
will call until 6. are we going to get completely screwed on seating?? i've
heard it's a really small venue, so we shouldn't have too much trouble
regardless, but still... i'm jealous of all y'all who get to wait in line
all day... i was hoping to relive a little bit of dickenson--minus the
driving rain, of course. :)

as far as a list meet, i'm not sure what our plans are, but i think it'd be
fun! we all live about 15 minutes away from the theatre, so we're pretty
much game for whatever.

i can't wait! i haven't seen them since last year in dayton!

shannon

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i'm gonna be leaving the ypsi/arbor area around maybe 7 am, so i'll be there
around 11 maybe.

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hey all... i think meeting at the waffle house after the show would be a great idea.
because of some folks going to the pre-show, it may be hard to get together beforehand, so
anyone interested in meeting up after the show could meet at the waffle house... the
problem is... which one!!  i think after lilith we met at the waffle house off of 70 at
brice road... but there are two of them there.  but, it would make more sense to meet at
one on the northside off of 71 since we're all coming from different directions.  anyone
know the closest one to the newport?  i know there's a tj's on high street...

any thoughts anyone?

barb and twink

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> from: traci drago <n_d_go_grl@hotmail.com>
> anyway my friend says she wanted to vote for nater,
> but because she is afraid bush will win she is
voting
> for gore.  is this really
> how it goes?  the girls say that your vote counts
> and i think it does, but
> why would you use it to vote for someone in order to
> make sure someone else
> doesn't win.  is it me or is that so backwards?  now
> i wonder how many
> people will be voting like this.
>

many people are voting this way, yes. but we do have
to deal in reality, folks. we have to have a handle on
who appoints our next supreme court justices. and
realistically, nader ain't gonna be it. bush becoming
president is the absolute nightmare scenario. we can't
allow it to happen. anyone who is going to vote for
nader would have voted for gore is forced to choose
between the bush and gore. so are you "throwing your
vote away?" no. are you "making a stand?" definitely.
but are you going to elect bush in the process? quite
possibly! it's your vote and he'll be your president.

i agree that voting for nader and taking a stand is a
nice idea. and i would certainly do that if i was
certain that the homophobic, spoiled, rich kid would
not get the presidency. but it's kinda close so i have
to put ideology aside and deal with reality.

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in a message dated 10/20/00 3:55:39 pm pacific daylight time,
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> hemingway,
>  that wouldn't get a read if they were excused from consideration on the
>  basis
>  of ritualized violence.
i don't read hemingway either, but i see your point.

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speaking of authors, barbara kingsolver fans rejoice - she has a new book out
called 'prodigal summer'! for those who aren't familiar with her work,
definitely check her out the next time you're at a bookstore (animal dreams,
the bean trees, pigs in heaven, the poisonwood bible). i think i have an
extra copy of 'animal dreams' if someone is interested, email me.

brenda :)

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i just spoke to someone regarding this whole thing with a vote for nader being a vote for bush...and his response was that in certain states, like connecticut, where i am, you can vote for nader and it not affect the bush/gore thing whatsoever. it is simply a vote for ralph nader and if there are enough votes for him he gets more funding and the possible chance of a third party in this country. that, however, leaves me torn...george w. bush scares the shit out of me. nader has no chance at all of becoming president...that leaves gore. i'm not a big fan but he's better than bush, in my eyes. so, do i vote for nader...and let gore fight it out without my vote...or do i vote for gore in the hopes that it might help him beat dubya? west wing needs to cover this so i understand it!!!

elisanne

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> from: traci drago
> anyway my friend says she wanted to vote for nater,
> but because she is afraid bush will win she is
voting
> for gore. is this really
> how it goes? the girls say that your vote counts
> and i think it does, but
> why would you use it to vote for someone in order to
> make sure someone else
> doesn't win. is it me or is that so backwards? now
> i wonder how many
> people will be voting like this.
>

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<p> i just spoke to someone regarding this whole thing with a vote for nader being a vote for bush...and his response was that in certain states, like connecticut, where i am, you can vote for nader and it not affect the bush/gore thing whatsoever. it is simply a vote for ralph nader and if there are enough votes for him he gets more funding and the possible chance of a third party in this country. that, however, leaves me torn...george w. bush scares the shit out of me. nader has no chance at all of becoming president...that leaves gore. i'm not a big fan but he's better than bush, in my eyes. so, do i vote for nader...and let gore fight it out without my vote...or do i vote for gore in the hopes that it might help him beat dubya? west wing needs to cover this so i understand it!!!</p>
<p>elisanne<br></p>
<p> <b><i>julie libes <indigonut@yahoo.com></i></b> wrote: <br>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid">> from: traci drago <n_d_go_grl@hotmail.com><br>> anyway my friend says she wanted to vote for nater,<br>> but because she is afraid bush will win she is<br>voting<br>> for gore. is this really<br>> how it goes? the girls say that your vote counts<br>> and i think it does, but<br>> why would you use it to vote for someone in order to<br>> make sure someone else<br>> doesn't win. is it me or is that so backwards? now<br>> i wonder how many<br>> people will be voting like this.<br>><br><br>many people are voting this way, yes. but we do have<br>to deal in reality, folks. we have to have a handle on<br>who appoints our next supreme court justices. and<br>realistically, nader ain't gonna be it. bush becoming<br>president is the absolute nightmare scenario. we can't<br>allow it to happen. anyone who is going to vote for<br>nader would have voted for gore is forced to choose<br>between the bush and gore. so are you "throwing your<br>vote away?" no. are you "making a stand?" definitely.<br>but are you going to elect bush in the process? quite<br>possibly! it's your vote and he'll be your president.<br><br>i agree that voting for nader and taking a stand is a<br>nice idea. and i would certainly do that if i was<br>certain that the homophobic, spoiled, rich kid would<br>not get the presidency. but it's kinda close so i have<br>to put ideology aside and deal with reality.<br><br><br>=====<br>julie :)<br><br>aol instant messenger = <julielibes><br><br>p.s. check out my absolute favorite new indie artist, kinnie starr. i "discovered" her music and amazing stage presence at michigan womyn's music fesival. go to <www.kinniestarr.com>for samples and ordering info and definitely see her live if she ever comes to your area. trust me, you will thank me for this later. :):o:)<br><br>__________________________________________________<br>do you yahoo!?<br>yahoo! messenger - talk while you surf! it's free.<br><a href="http://im.yahoo.com/">yahoo! messenger</a> - talk while you surf! it's free.
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in a message dated 10/21/00 11:48:27 am eastern daylight time,
emmead2000@yahoo.com writes:

<< i'm not a big fan but he's better than bush, in my eyes. so, do i vote
for nader...and let gore fight it out without my vote...or do i vote for gore
in the hopes that it might help him beat dubya? west wing needs to cover
this so i understand it!!! >>

e were watching tv the other night and heard our candidates referred to as
"dumb and dumber" (gore) and the son of the antichrist (bush)
given that i would much rather go with dumb and dumber.. i view it as the
lesser of two evils.. and with the race this close.. i would say whatever we
can do to keep bush out of office is what we need to do..

just my thoughts..

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why does everyone want to keep bush out of office? is it just because of
the abortion issue? what about the other issues?

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in a message dated 10/21/00 11:48:27 am eastern daylight time,
emmead2000@yahoo.com writes:

<< i'm not a big fan but he's better than bush, in my eyes. so, do i vote
for nader...and let gore fight it out without my vote...or do i vote for
gore
in the hopes that it might help him beat dubya? west wing needs to cover
this so i understand it!!! >>

e were watching tv the other night and heard our candidates referred to as
"dumb and dumber" (gore) and the son of the antichrist (bush)
given that i would much rather go with dumb and dumber.. i view it as the
lesser of two evils.. and with the race this close.. i would say whatever
we
can do to keep bush out of office is what we need to do..

just my thoughts..

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ok, i wasn't going to add anything to this argument, but then i found this
passage in the socialist worker :

"the lesser evil is still evil.  vote for nader.
every four years, the cry is the same.  vote for the dem or you'll get a
rep--vote for the lesser evil, or you'll get even worse.  but this approach
to politics weakens our [the green party/nader] side.  it allows politicians
of both parties to drag the whole political spectrum to the right.  working
people have the power to make all politicians pay attention to our demands,.
but they'll never make full use of that power as long as every four years
they give their votes to a party that serves big business.  this year,
there's a real alternative to the left of the dems.--nader.    nader's
campaign is organized around attacking corp.  greed and the two parties'
strangle hold over us politisc.s  don't be fooled by the claim that a vote
for nader is a vote for bush.  a vote for nader is a vote against a political
system where the politicians of both mainstream parties say one thing--and
deliver another."

just something to think about.
never "settle" for anything.
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>why does everyone want to keep bush out of office? is it just because of the abortion issue? what about the other issues?<
just the abortion issue? no...it's also the death penalty issue...he supports it. it's the education issue. i want to see my nieces learning how to think rather than them learn how to test...how to worry about tests. it's a lot of things. i don't trust the man...and his politics don't come close to matching mine. i think he'll be bad for our economy...bad for minority people...bad for those who aren't just like him...and in the end, bad for our country. and that's why i want to keep george w. bush out of the highest office in the land.
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<p>>why does everyone want to keep bush out of office? is it just because of the abortion issue? what about the other issues?<
<p>just the abortion issue? no...it's also the death penalty issue...he supports it. it's the education issue. i want to see my nieces learning how to think rather than them learn how to test...how to worry about tests. it's a lot of things. i don't trust the man...and his politics don't come close to matching mine. i think he'll be bad for our economy...bad for minority people...bad for those who aren't just like him...and in the end, bad for our country. and that's why i want to keep george w. bush out of the highest office in the land.
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<< just something to think about.
never "settle" for anything. >>

i think my concern here is that while i haven't seen the polls lately, i
don't think nader or buchanan have enough pull to make it a real challenge to
the other two candidates. and with the margin being so narrow, do votes going
to those two challengers make it better for gore or bush..

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and not to mention his stance on homosexuals.  we've come so far in the last
eight years, but not far enough.  i'm scared of that bumbling idiot getting
into the white house.  maybe he'll find a way to meld his stance on gay
people and his stance on the death penalty and there'll be hell to pay (for
us).  did i mention he's a bumbling idiot?

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>why does everyone want to keep bush out of office? is it just because of
the abortion issue? what about the other issues?<
just the abortion issue?  no...it's also the death penalty issue...he
supports it.  it's the education issue.  i want to see my nieces learning
how to think rather than them learn how to test...how to worry about tests.
it's a lot of things.  i don't trust the man...and his politics don't come
close to matching mine.  i think he'll be bad for our economy...bad for
minority people...bad for those who aren't just like him...and in the end,
bad for our country.  and that's why i want to keep george w. bush out of
the highest office in the land.
respectfully,
elisanne

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<<i think my concern here is that while i haven't seen the polls lately, i
don't think nader or buchanan have enough pull to make it a real challenge
to
the other two candidates. and with the margin being so narrow, do votes
going
to those two challengers make it better for gore or bush..>>

the real concern in my opinion is making our voices heard. in voting for
nader, i am making it possible that 3rd party candidates will be heard.
maybe not in this election, but possibly in the next. by voting for bush or
gore, you're giving them the message that you support their conservative
views (i say "their" because gore supports the death penalty and no gay
marriage as does bush). the only way to escape the political push towards
the right is to vote for nader and prove that america does not want what we
are being offered by the 2 party system.
don't let the fear that your vote "won't count" stop you from voting for
nader! please! that fear is planted by the 2 party system that fears the
awesome power that you have over them! use your power (ok, i was really
tempted to say "use the force," because i know how cheesy all of this
sounds). don't vote because you're afraid, vote because you believe in
something.

that's my .02...i had been promising myself i wouldn't get involved, but i
just couldn't help it. we can make a difference!!!!!

~megan (o:,'

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it's this kind of paranoia that gives votng for the lesser evil a bad
name.  bush is not going to institute the death penalty for
homosexuals.  his running mate doesn't want his daughter
killed.  recall that in the veep debates dick cheny came out in favor
of allowing same sex marriages.

on sat, 21 oct 2000, w. scott whitlock wrote:

> and not to mention his stance on homosexuals.  we've come so far in the last
> eight years, but not far enough.  i'm scared of that bumbling idiot getting
> into the white house.  maybe he'll find a way to meld his stance on gay
> people and his stance on the death penalty and there'll be hell to pay (for
> us).  did i mention he's a bumbling idiot?
>
> s.
>
>
> ----- original message -----
> from: elisanne machardy mead
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> sent: saturday, october 21, 2000 12:19 pm
> subject: re: ot nader vs gore
>
>
> >why does everyone want to keep bush out of office? is it just because of
> the abortion issue? what about the other issues?<
> just the abortion issue?  no...it's also the death penalty issue...he
> supports it.  it's the education issue.  i want to see my nieces learning
> how to think rather than them learn how to test...how to worry about tests.
> it's a lot of things.  i don't trust the man...and his politics don't come
> close to matching mine.  i think he'll be bad for our economy...bad for
> minority people...bad for those who aren't just like him...and in the end,
> bad for our country.  and that's why i want to keep george w. bush out of
> the highest office in the land.
> respectfully,
> elisanne
>
>
>
>
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in a message dated 10/21/00 10:36:04 am pacific daylight time,
mbeene@wesleyancollege.edu writes:

i am making it possible that 3rd party candidates will be heard.
> maybe not in this election, but possibly in the next.
the third party people say this every election, and it never happens. i
think the major 2 parties are too firmly entrenched.

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<<the third party people say this every election, and it never happens. i
think the major 2 parties are too firmly entrenched.>>

i think that because of the work of previous 3rd party candidate campaigns,
we are actually on the verge of this happening. nader has gotten a lot more
coverage than any 3rd party candidate i remember, and i think that's a very
good sign.

also, (i hope i don't offend anyone, but) i think it's wrong to use the
excuse that the 2 party system is too powerful--and therefore we can't make
a change. this has happened throughout history: what if people had said 'oh
well, slavery is bad, nothing we can do about it' instead of starting the
underground railroad or at least trying to make a difference.

we are barely even a true democracy anymore! doesn't this bother anyone?

~megan

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in a message dated 10/21/00 1:35:57 pm eastern daylight time,
mbeene@wesleyancollege.edu writes:

<< by voting for bush or
gore, you're giving them the message that you support their conservative
views (i say "their" because gore supports the death penalty and no gay
marriage as does bush). the only way to escape the political push towards
the right is to vote for nader and prove that america does not want what we
are being offered by the 2 party system. >>

while gore does not support gay "marriage" he does support the idea to call
it something else and give benefits to those parties.. be it domestic
partnership or whatever.
at least he believes imo that we have a right to exist. while bush thinks we
are all freaks and should be sent to some island (though he never stated
that, )

the sad part about it is throughout the year, i haven't even heard anything
about the 3rd party until right before the election, it seems to me at least
that they don't get the message of their platform out there until it is
almost time to vote.. and i have felt that way about them for a while.. if
they really want the changes, then why don't they work harder on making
people aware of them.
yes, by voting 3rd party you and others will be heard perhaps in the next
election, but in the meantime what are we left with?
i've met al gore, i like al gore, and while in any political candidacy, they
are going to say and do what is necessary to get votes.. i believe that he
has the interests of the country in mind, while from what i have seen of
bush, he is more concerned with his "posse" of the rich and priviledged
getting benefits. so i guess it's a wait and see thing..
i applaud your efforts to get a 3rd party elected, and if i honestly believed
that there was a chance in tartarus that that party could get elected, i
would vote for them, i just don't think there is enough support there and the
chances of those votes helping gw bush get into office scares me.

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on 10/21/00 12:49 am, julie libes at indigonut@yahoo.com wrote:

> many people are voting this way, yes. but we do have
> to deal in reality, folks. we have to have a handle on
> who appoints our next supreme court justices. and
> realistically, nader ain't gonna be it. bush becoming
> president is the absolute nightmare scenario. we can't
> allow it to happen. anyone who is going to vote for
> nader would have voted for gore is forced to choose
> between the bush and gore. so are you "throwing your
> vote away?" no. are you "making a stand?" definitely.
> but are you going to elect bush in the process? quite
> possibly!

there are a couple of responses i want to make. the first one is that
presidents are elected on a state-by-state basis. you have to look at the
race in you state and decide if gore or bush has so much support that
"realistically" the votes of nader supporters can't change the result. if
so, it's an easy to decision to vote for ralph and start building the green
party. if the race is close, then you have a real choice to make.

my second response is why does the moral onus fall necessarily fall on us to
do the "right thing." if gore and lieberman weren't corporate whores who had
sold their souls for power, we'd be willing to vote for them. hell,
lieberman is running for his senate seat as well as vice-president. if he
wins both, he'll have to quit the senate and allow the republican governor
of conn. to appoint a replacement. this is our bulwark against right-wing
extremism? if you gore supporters who believe that nader is the best
candidate would vote that way, he'd be in the white house. now because they
sold out and you went along, it's up to us to save the country from bush.

third, why are you so sure that bush could destroy the country in four
years? reagan and bush couldn't do it twelve. i'm not sure the shrub can
read, let alone change the nature of our country. it does mean that us
progressives would have to get off our asses and fight. are we willing to go
down the the local clinic and get arrested rather than stop allowing women
the right to chose? are we willing to sit on juries and acquit those
protesters? are we willing to go to our legislatures and demand that
abortion be legal? if we can answer yes and really mean it, it doesn't
matter who sits on the court.

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in response to "why not bush?":

hmm let me count the ways . . .
first off i don't see how any woman can vote for bush - he has a horrible
record in texas of cutting funding for women's crisis organizations, planned
parenthood is against him b/c he supports "abstinence only" sex-ed in
schools. not to even mention his anti-choice stance . . .
when asked about the "violence against women" act currently in congress, he
said he had not heard of it!!!!
he does not support the brady bill - he is endorsed by the nra!
furthermore he is all for oil drilling in alaska national parks and more
foresting of orgeon's national forests . ..
okay okay i'll stop, but personally i also feel the man is a horrible
speaker (bumbling - yes!) and would be embarassed to have him representing
our country!

my rambling 2c . ..
yt
tammy

p.s. as for having my vote (for gore) count - the way i see it, its not just
"a fear vote" for keeping bush out - it counts towards gore - who is much
more supportive of women, minorites, and middle class america.

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just fyi:

>bush brushes off critical issue for women fresh off his appearance on
>oprah, george w. bush stumbled today in >his efforts to reach out to women
>voters. bush, while holding a forum >with voters, was asked by a
>pennsylvania woman if he supports the >violence against women act -- a
>measure that helps states stop >domestic violence, crack down on sexual
>assault, and end the stalking >of women. bush's response? an equivocal
>answer that he wanted the >woman to "send him information about the bill
>and her position on it."

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>
> while gore does not support gay "marriage" he does
> support the idea to call
> it something else and give benefits to those
> parties.. be it domestic
> partnership or whatever.

yes, gore has supported vermont's plan, but in a
republican congress it will never pass.  the president
is not the all-powerful being people make him out to
be.  the people of this country have more than just
the power of a vote.  use your voice, your time, your
resources to fight for what you believe in rather than
living in fear of what the next president could do.
organize and stop him.

:)carrie

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this subject is getting very old. please let's return to the girls and
take nader to a private forum . right now it's hard to avoid when i's
plastered all over my screen. meanig if i want to delete it i have to
open each and every email.

peace,
barb

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> anyone catch the indigo girls mentioned on
> providence friday evening
> season opener?

yup!  i saw it!  i loved seeing ig mentioned on
providence like that...if a man wanted to take me on
an ig date (roadtripping to boston for an ig show?!
hello how could ya turn that one down! haha) i would
*have* to say *yes* - i cant believe she said no to a
date like that!?  phew.  what a relief to hear ig
mentioned on a show instead of some pop/top 40
artist...thank you providence!  *clapping*

take it easy,
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