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date:         sat, 21 oct 2000 22:01:35 edt
reply-to:     rungek@aol.com
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subject:      nader/gore and the 250million yr old bacteria cell
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hello folks--for those who care--for those who don't---for those who haven't
read the paper or listened to the news---or whereever nobody deemed it
important to report this story:

scientists are believed to have revived a viable 250 million year old
bacteria cell found in a salt water crystal in new mexico.  the crystal is
250 mil yr old--so by deduction the cell is assumed to be the same----but
there is no absolute proof----okay, the major point---if it's 250 million
years old, it has survived three mass extinctions on the surface of the
earth....okay, maybe this doesn't matter to anybody else---but it blows my
mind.  humans are so small---and so not in control of anything....

my main election concerns are the environment-----something that humans will
always screw over whenever necessary (and ofcourse "humans"  are part of the
environment/evolution so the screwing/manipulation/oppression of other humans
goeas hand in hand...)  anyway, remember---we control nothing...vote your
conscience---the world may end or it may not if bush is elected pres----have
faith that the democrats will have the house....have hope that war in the
middle east doesn't break out....and keep in mind that if bush is
elected----he'll be out in four years and the liberal
backlash....well....let's face it, there will be no real liberal
backlash....so, all in all....

....what we should really be freaking out about is if a big asteroid is going
to hit the earth---make it black for 10,000 years---change the chemical make
of the air and kill all the living things above the surface.....

toodles!!!
kara.


****nader*****

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date:         sat, 21 oct 2000 22:08:22 edt
reply-to:     hxtn612@aol.com
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if elected, george w. bush stated that he'd abolish the position
>   of white house liason to the glbt community.  and since the final
>   debate, bush is still leading in the polls--and could become our
>   next president.
>
>
>   this is the election of our lives!
>
>   newsweek called bush & cheney "the most conservative ticket
>   since 1924."   that's why, even if you support ralph nader, it's more
>   critical than ever that we vote democrat on november 7th to stop
>   bush--the single largest threat to our community.
>
> if bush's texas record scares you, just check out his glbt record:
>
>   - in 5 years as governor of texas, bush never once publicly addressed
>   the aids epidemic.  he never even uttered the word.
>
>  - despite 40 brutal murders of gays and lesbians since matthew shepard,
>   bush opposes all hate crime laws.
>
> - bush pledged his allegiance to the texas christian right by vowing to
>   support laws criminalizing sodomy in their state.
>
> - in 38 states you can be fired for being gay, and bush opposes employment
>   protection of gays and lesbians
>
>  - bush publicly stated that being openly gay would not be compatible with
>   serving in his administration.
>
>  - bush is adamantly against same-sex partnership rights
>
>   - bush opposes sex education promoting safer-sex
>
>     - gov. bush's texas republican party refused to give space to gay log
> cabin
>   republicans at the gop state convention (3 times)
>
>   - as governor, bush refused to adopt an administration
non-discrimination>   policy that included sexual orientation.
>
>     - bush has gone on record saying "gays would be inappropriate
parents"--
>   and openly opposed a measure to let gay & lesbian couples be foster
> parents.
>
>   - as governor, bush publicly opposed adding "sexual orientation" to
texas'
>   hate crime law.
>
>     - bush is dedicated to overturning a woman's right to choose and
creating
> a
>   future that's right out of our scary past--full of racism, sexism,
>   homophobia and back-alley abortions.
>
>     our next president will appoint up to 4 new supreme court
>   justices whose decisions will profoundly affect our lives for the
>   next 20-30 years!
>
>
>
>   can we afford to let this be done by a man who thinks our rights
>   should be taken away?
>
>     just say no!

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date:         sat, 21 oct 2000 21:29:11 -0700
reply-to:     julie libes <indigonut@yahoo.com>
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from:         julie libes <indigonut@yahoo.com>
subject:      re: nigc - nader vs. gore
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--- christopher carroll <chriscarroll01@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>  are we willing to go
> down the the local clinic and get arrested rather
> than stop allowing women
> the right to chose? are we willing to sit on juries
> and acquit those
> protesters? are we willing to go to our legislatures
> and demand that
> abortion be legal? if we can answer yes and really
> mean it, it doesn't
> matter who sits on the court.

it doesn't matter who sits in the supreme court? i
really disagree with you there.

and unfortunately, i would get up and fight as would
many people on this list but i don't think the rest of
the general public is quite so motivated. this country
is at a peak of mass apathy and ignorance. (this
theory would explain why bush is so high in the
polls.)

just as importantly, i don't want to get our country
to a place where we have to fight for abortion again.

last but not least, i have nothing against nader and
laduke. i believe they have better ideals and are not
as you so eloquently put it a "corporate whores
who had sold their souls for power". nor do i deny
that the two major party candidates, like the two
major parties are corporate whores. i do know,
however, that nader/laduke know as well as i do that
in many places in this country a vote for them might
as well be a vote for bush. i'm not trying to attack
these candidates and i respect them more than bush or
gore. but i refuse to consider the possibility of bush
being president. it's not an attack, it's a realistic
asessment of the situation at hand. and the
possibility of bush is unthinkable.

enough,


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date:         sun, 22 oct 2000 01:28:40 edt
reply-to:     melijoy@aol.com
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>the sad part about it is throughout the year, i haven't even heard anything
>about the 3rd party until right before the election, it seems to me at least
>hat they don't get the message of their platform out there until it is
>almost time to vote.. and i have felt that way about them for a while.. if
>they really want the changes, then why don't they work harder on making
>people aware of them.

stuff like this is why ( i think) people like the indigo girls are for low
power radio stations and the like.
believe it or not, the media controls the info you get.  since most of the
mainstream media hasn't reported much on nader and others, it seems as though
they aren't trying to make people aware of them, or just like they aren't
trying at all.  do you even know that nader had a ticket into one of the
gore/bush debates and wasn't allowed in?
i thank my lucky stars that i live close enough to madison to get wort, a
local indie all-community based non-corporate station.
the green party/nader has been peaceful.  npr/cnn etc only likes to report on
progressives/radicals when we get violent (the wto/imf protests.)

http://www.lowpowerradio.org/main.htm
for more info...go there ^^^^^^

-mel w

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date:         sun, 22 oct 2000 01:34:13 edt
reply-to:     indigokare@aol.com
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subject:      indigo girls (ohio review)
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date:         sun, 22 oct 2000 18:33:03 +1200
reply-to:     jane ferrier <janef@ihug.co.nz>
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subject:      re: nader/laduke request

> ** original subject: nader/laduke request
> ** original sender: barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
> ** original date: 21 oct 2000 20:16:48 -0000

> ** original message follows...

>
> this subject is getting very old. please let's return to the girls and
> take nader to a private forum . right now it's hard to avoid when i's
> plastered all over my screen. meanig if i want to delete it i have to
> open each and every email.
>
> peace,
> barb
>
> http://community.webtv.net/ritesofpassage9/foreverindigogirls
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>

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date:         sun, 22 oct 2000 18:36:44 +1200
reply-to:     jane ferrier <janef@ihug.co.nz>
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subject:      re: nader/laduke request

*&^ i hate when i do that, sorry to resend a message.  the point that i wanted to make was
simply to agree with barbara when she says:

> > this subject is getting very old. please let's return to the girls and
> > take nader to a private forum .

with respect, i think that *some* people on this list operate under two assumptions:

      a) all listees are american
      b) all listees are interested in american politics

i, for one, do not fall into either category!


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date:         sun, 22 oct 2000 01:55:38 edt
reply-to:     indigokare@aol.com
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hey y'all,

i promised i would post tonight, so here i am.  :-)

i just (literally *just*) got in from the columbus show.

first off, before i forget, this is important:  for anyone going to the west
virginia show tomorrow, sulli is begging for a copy of the latest xena
episode.  (i think it is called heart of darkness).  if anyone has it on
tape, she would be grateful if you would bring it to her.  she said that she
will bring "good things" to anyone who brings her the tape.  :-)

ok, the show...

lemme start off with the set list first.

opener: michelle malone (awesome as always)
(i didn't write down her setlist, but she did avalon, strength for 2 (w/
emily), brand new dream, my green thumb, etc)

indigo girls:
get out the map
jonas and ezekial (!!!)
cold beer remote control (w/ michelle)
i don't wanna know (w/ michelle)
ghost (the setlist has andy listed, but they changed it)
reunion
power of two
devotion
river (emily piano solo!!!)
go
closer to fine
romeo and juliet
leaving
gone again (w/ michelle)
least complicated
chickenman (w/ michelle)
wild horses (encore...w/ michelle)
galileo (encore...w/ michelle)

quite a setlist.  only three songs from come on now social.  lots of oldies
(though nothing from nomads*indians*saints... :( )  the highlits were river,
jonas and ezekial, and  leaving.

to start with, the girls were exhausted.  they were not really chatty.  i
don't blame them...so far they have done five shows in a row.  and of course
they're off to continue their tour tomorrow.  and they have been touring for
soooo long.  they need a break.  i could see it in amy (and emily, but moreso
amy).

we got there around 4:30pm.  since we had preshow tix, (which they let us in
an hour late for!  i was a bit pissy!) we got right up front on amy's side.
i was on the railing, so that was cool.

michelle's set was great.  i always love michelle.  and i needed to hear
"brand new dream" tonight.

the girls were up next.  just amy and emily.  no carol issacs (she was w/
them for a few hte dates).  michelle and her bassist joined a and e on stage
for a few songs.
as i said, they were tired.  so exhausted.  and the set list seemed really
short (just 18 songs).  they didn't add anything in at the last minute
(though they replaced andy with ghost).

another thing is, i have never cried so hard at an ig show.  they just played
the three songs that seem to spark my emotions the most (especially today for
other reasons)..."ghost" "power of two" and "leaving."  i was bawling (good
thing, i needed to hear those songs!) throughout those three.

after the show, we stayed around for pics and setlists.  i got a setlist.
then we went to michelle malone's table and i had her sign "homegrown."  she
is also such a sweetheart.  :-)  finally, we went to the bus.

sulli was out there just drinking a diet coke and chatting with 2 fans, so we
went to her.  we were just chatting it up while we waited for the girls
(maybe the trucks were already loaded?).  sulli told us about her college
days and how she had booked a ticket from australia to new zealand...before
amy had appendix problems (the new zealand ticket was cancelled...).  sulli
is just so cool (deidre and i want to start a sulli fan club.  hehe).

then the girls came out.  no photos, or handshakes, but they did sign
autographs.  they were just so tired.  emily signed some stuff first
(including my setlist) and then got straight on the bus.  amy also signed my
setlist and a few other things (some people were disappointed because amy
didn't get around to everyone) and then also got on the bus.  they both
looked worn out.  and i can see why...they tour more than any other band.
and they have really been on tour (with small breaks for holidays, health
reasons (amy... :( ), studio sessions, etc) for an entire year (more...).
they need this break.  and they deserve it.

if i am sounding really negative (emphasising how tired a and e were), i
don't mean to be.  tonight's show was still excellent and powerful.  i just
felt sorry for amy and emily.

anyway, i really really need to get some sleep now.  i am driving back to
chicago tomorrow morning.  but i wanted to post right away.

and remember, if you are going to the wv show and have that xena episode,
sulli would love you for it.

g'nite, all...  if i can think of anything more to say, i will post tomorrow
when i get home...

:-) karen

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date:         sun, 22 oct 2000 08:12:08 -0600
reply-to:     bonnie lacey <blacey@aye.net>
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subject:      re: back to regularly scheduled programming please!
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hi everyone,

i've been a reader only for a long while due to being in life
overwhelmment.  but the amount of nigc the last few months has probably
exceeded the legit discussion.  please all......

now, when is amy's solo album coming out?

xoxo

bonnie lacey

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date:         sun, 22 oct 2000 11:26:22 edt
reply-to:     kimh57@aol.com
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from:         "kim l. hohl" <kimh57@aol.com>
subject:      great concert!
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the concert in columbus ohio was great. my mom even said that it was the best
out of the 4 she's seen. this was surprising to me because it was their 5th
concert in a row. being in the front row was great! the setlist was a good
mix of new and old. they did a lot of the show with michelle. hopefully
karen's review is good. (i'm sorry for leaving early my mom said we had to
go!) kim (aka best*fan)

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date:         sun, 22 oct 2000 12:58:54 -0500
reply-to:     barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
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just a reminder for those interested, hob is rebroadcasting the hob
webcast the girls did this summer.  i can't figure out if i's
rebroadcasting a whole 24-hrs. or if  they are just going to air it at
12 noon pdt.

anyway there is more about it if you go to hob.com  and put indigo girls
into the key word search. it looks like they might air it once
at noon, and then start the 24 hr one at 6 pdt,
but i could be wrong. anyhow, they will be showing a rebroadcast
tuesday, oct 24th.
and if anyone can straighten me out on the details please email me.

thanks!
barb

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date:         sun, 22 oct 2000 12:44:07 -0700
reply-to:     alyssa roberge <galileogirl_2000@yahoo.com>
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from:         alyssa roberge <galileogirl_2000@yahoo.com>
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hey all~
     sorry to be a bitch but can we please keep the
political stuff to personal emails??? none of this
relates to ig and everyone on the face of this earth
(er... list) has their different opinions and i don't
want this to turn into arguing back and forth on this
list which has happened before and we all know it.
just adding my two cents worth. bye all!
peace
~alyssa

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date:         sun, 22 oct 2000 16:42:04 edt
reply-to:     ajmusicco@aol.com
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from:         a jolly <ajmusicco@aol.com>
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hi all,

are the indigo girls based out of atlanta?

thanks,

a. jolly
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date:         sun, 22 oct 2000 17:08:13 -0400
reply-to:     chris talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
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from:         chris talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
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> hey all-
>
> is anyone out there from boston?  i'm looking for cheap places to stay for
2
> weeks while i do research there.  i'm trying to stay under $250/week at a
> hostel or a really cheap hotel with weekly rates or something.  also, a
> colleague of mine has mentioned the pensione on bigelow street in
cambridge,
> but i can find no information whatsoever about it.  so i thought i'd turn
to
> the most friendly, most helpful people in the world to see what i could
> discover.
>
> thanks so much in advance, please please please respond privately to
> talbotc@umich.edu .
>
> chris ii
>
>

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date:         sun, 22 oct 2000 17:19:05 edt
reply-to:     tamera mcnamara <tlmstar@hotmail.com>
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from:         tamera mcnamara <tlmstar@hotmail.com>
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hey what ever happened to that debate that was supposed to happen w/ gore,
nader, and all the other candidates? it was supposedly on oct. 20, but i
heard no word of it from the gore camp and did not see it on tv - a hoax???
yt
tammy

p.s. my request for the list is to have more political topics on it - i
mean, really, ig are very into being politically active and standing up for
/ discussing what you believe in . . .
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date:         sun, 22 oct 2000 15:09:38 -0700
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i watched it last night on c-span. dave thomas and august busch iii
co-moderated.  it got testy after the $1000 a plate fundraising barbecue
when nader asked for a junior gardenburger deluxe because they weren't
serving hormone-free burgers.

det. munch

on sun, 22 oct 2000 17:19:05 edt, tamera mcnamara wrote:

>  hey what ever happened to that debate that was supposed to happen w/
gore,
>  nader, and all the other candidates? it was supposedly on oct. 20, but i
>  heard no word of it from the gore camp and did not see it on tv - a
hoax???

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in a message dated 10/22/00 5:20:28 pm, tammy wrote:

<<p.s. my request for the list is to have more political topics on it - i
mean, really, ig are very into being politically active and standing up for/
discussing what you believe in . . .>>

this list is about music, not politics.  true, some ig music takes a
political stance, and in that regard, discussing it is fine, but if you want
a list that's political, there are many to choose from.

direct from the faq:

"2.1. what is the indigo girls mailing list?

the indigo girls mailing list is a fan forum devoted to discussion of the
music of the indigo girls and related artists."

someone has already asked that the politicial discussions be taken off list.
let's  respect the listee(s) who have made that request.

dee

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while i agree (reluctantly)  i also think it's important to be
patient...these requests usually take about half a day to trickle down to
everyone on the list. not everyone gets their e-mails as they are sent...or
reads all of them before going back and responding. so, let's also try a
little patience. :)
sharon

>the indigo girls mailing list is a fan forum devoted to discussion of the
>music of the indigo girls and related artists."
>
>someone has already asked that the politicial discussions be taken off list.
>let's  respect the listee(s) who have made that request.

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hey y'all,

i made it to chicago in one piece.

i know this had been discussed after some of the summer shows (by other
people), but knowing that i will not see ig live for a year (columbus was my
21st show), is quite depressing.  :(

don't get me wrong -- they need a break.  i still can't get over how tired
amy and emily looked last night.  and sulli seems to need that long break as
well (xena confrences all over!!!).  but the day after a show (and of course
having to leave ohio yet again which also means saying goodbye to one of my
best friends) is always so hard, especially now that i won't be seeing them
for a looong time.

does anyone else get this way?

but the one bright thing is that when i arrived home, the video that sabrina
copied for me was waiting (thanks, sabrina!).  so at least tonight i can
watch that london show.  but it's still not the same...

allright, i need to go unpack from my trip and start packing for london and
paris (i am leaving on friday!  that should cheer me up!  amy swenson, when
will you be in paris???!???).  but i am just in such a slump...

:-) karen

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in a message dated 10/22/00 8:06:16 pm eastern daylight time,
sparke61@maine.edu writes:

<< while i agree (reluctantly)  i also think it's important to be
patient...these requests usually take about half a day to trickle down to
everyone on the list. not everyone gets their e-mails as they are sent...or
reads all of them before going back and responding. so, let's also try a
little patience. :)
sharon >>


the first request to take the political disussion to private email was made 7
days ago and numerous others have now chimed in as well.  i think we have
been very patient.

indi

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i've read and heard several articles/interviews with amy and emily where
they've both stated that many times they do not know, or fully understand,
the lyrics/meaning of a song that the other has written.  being that they
write separately, this makes sense to me on one level. but does anyone other
than me think it's odd that they arrange, record and perform these songs
together and when it's interview time they look to or stop and ask each other
just what in the heck "that" song really means?  on the other hand, i read
somewhere that there have been times when they have questioned each other
over the lyrical content, and i'm sure it goes on a whole lot more than i'll
ever know.  but, generally speaking, i just think it's odd that with their
strong political views and personal convictions they wouldn't know exactly
what the other one was conveying in her song when it ultimately represents
"them."  is it simply that they trust each other totally?  seems that way.
beautiful and awesome...thoughts anyone?

tracy

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hi,
where can i find the lyrics to "devotion" and
"leaving" ? i have tried lifeblood but it isn´t up
there...

thanks,

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just to answer the question, the debate happened as far as i know.  but gore
had said he would only participate if bush did, and bush wouldnt.  and nader
decided that he wold only go if either one of them did, so he didnt go
either.  without either one of the major candidatess, it would have had no
relevance.  too bad, though.  really disappointing.

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october 25 ('75)
jamitch3@vt.edu (jack mitchell)

october 26 ('77)
ktm@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (katie mccurry)

october 26
karenfrey@redrose.net (karen frey)

october 26, (77)
kmj5m@virginia.edu (karen jones)
"i'm gonna clear my head. i'm gonna drink that sun.  i'm gonna love
you good and strong, while our love is good and young."

october 27
i_zarei@net1ef.modares.ac.ir (hassan zarei)

october 29
indilint@aol.com (karmen ford)

october 29
sunnyig@yahoo.org (sunny)
"the truth is, we all do the best we can do until we are stronger, wiser,
willing, and ready to do better."

happy birthday aaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllllllllllll! :)
(i'm a little hyper this morning...bring on more coffee! *smirks*)

love and devotion,
audra
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after a semi-crappy weekend, this news is almost as good as hearing the girls are
coming to town.
thanks for brightening my day.

kc


btfenton@aol.com wrote:

> speaking of authors, barbara kingsolver fans rejoice - she has a new book out
> called 'prodigal summer'!  for those who aren't familiar with her work,
> definitely check her out the next time you're at a bookstore (animal dreams,
> the bean trees, pigs in heaven, the poisonwood bible). i think i have an
> extra copy of 'animal dreams' if someone is interested, email me.
>
> brenda :)

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- he's against civil rights for les/bi/gay/trans americans
- he does not promote civil rights for other minorities, although he loves to
speak spanish.
- opposes gun control
- actively promotes the death penalty, which is disproportionately applied to
minorities
- promotes religion in the public arena, particularly public schools
- supports vouchers, designed to break down instead of support public education

that's all i can think of right off hand...
oh, and a woman's right to choose. he opposes women controling their own
bodies, and thereby their own destiny.

kc


warrior princess wrote:

> why does everyone want to keep bush out of office?  is it just because of
> the abortion issue?  what about the other issues?

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> okay, the major point---if it's 250 million
> years old, it has survived three mass extinctions on the surface of the
> earth....
> my main election concerns are the environment-----something that humans
will
> always screw over whenever necessary

if this bacteria has in fact survived for 250 million years, then what is it
that makes you think humans are capable of affecting the environment in any
way!?  even if we had a nuclear war and all life on the planet was
destroyed, the earth would reclaim itself and bounce back to viability in a
geological tick of the clock!  (as is evident in that bacteria's continued
survival)

consider this:  we add all these "pollution control" devices to our cars and
all these "clean air" acts that cause the prices to skyrocket ... we do it
all in the name of "the environment", then one day mother nature comes along
and decides to belch ... the result:  something like mt. st. helens goes off
and releases (in the course of two weeks) 1000s of times more pollution and
toxic gases than mankind has ever released (in the entire history of
mankind) or is likely to release in the next 1000 years!  and you still go
on about saving the environment .... please!  when mother nature decides our
time is up ... we're history.

there's nothing we can do to *harm* the earth.  there's nothing we can do to
*save* the earth.  the earth will survive and continue to exist long after
we're gone.  it will always reclaim itself, as it has done time and time
again.  the only thing you do by going through the motions of "saving the
environment" is make yourself feel better when you look in the mirror.  you
are affecting *nothing*.

to everyone who is planning to vote for al gore, george bush or ralph nader
consider this .... yours will just be a vote for bigger government, no
matter what the intricacies of their plans might be.  all three parties want
to significantly increase the size of the federal government and ... more
control, less freedom and more taxes.  before you accept their proposals you
have to ask yourself this, when was the last time the government did
*anything* that made sense?  when was the last time the government took
control over something and really made it work like a well oiled machine?
never!  so what makes you think it's going to happen now?  trigger locks?
ha!  social security?  ha!  the environment?  ha!  promises, lies and long
term costs to us, the taxpayers ... that's what big government has done for
us.  that's *all* big government has done for us.

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than you realize.  i haven't heard any mention of this on the news, but it's
a fact ... you're not just voting for the next four years, you're voting for
a trend ... a trend that will dictate how far the future politicians are
willing to reach into your pockets.  if we lay back and take it today (by
endorsing their proposals and voting them into office) then the boundaries
are moved out a little ... they'll have no qualms about reaching a littler
deeper next time, and deeper the time after that, etc.  we're starting a
trend that will increase from here on out.

the only vote that will count in the long term is one that serves to
decrease the size of the federal government and gets rid of federal taxes.
one that takes steps to keep government out of our pockets and out of our
daily lives!  the only two parties proposing this kind of plan are the
constitution party and the libertarian party.  they both want to decrease
the size of the federal government and return it to the level specified in
the constitution.  if you care at all about your families, your children,
and the legacy you'll leave ... please take the time to read their websites.
you owe it to yourself and to them, and to me and to your neighbors.

think about it!

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all replies privately or on another forum (a usenet group or something).
but i simply could not let another day go by listening to all this tripe and
dribble about how much you think you're doing for the environment and how
evil george bush is and how wonderful al gore is, or vice versa.  it's
revolting!

- rick c. hodgin

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consider the governor of minnesota (sp?).
consider perot.
the population is ripe for a 3rd party, but by dening access to the debates
to 3rd party candidates effectively erradicates the voice of the that
option. ventura had less than 15% of the vote going into the election. the
debates won him the race.

if nader had been permitted to debate, he would have mopped the floor with
tweedle dee and tweedle dum.

kc


emilyraliers@aol.com wrote:

> in a message dated 10/21/00 10:36:04 am pacific daylight time,
> mbeene@wesleyancollege.edu writes:
>
>  i am making it possible that 3rd party candidates will be heard.
> >  maybe not in this election, but possibly in the next.
> the third party people say this every election, and it never happens.  i
> think the major 2 parties are too firmly entrenched.

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bush, the presidential candidate, opposes the employment non-discrimination act
and civil marriage for lesbian and gay couples.

you're right. let's not muddy the waters with nonsense. bush actively opposes
civil rights for gays and lesbians.

kc

david steinberg wrote:

> it's this kind of paranoia that gives votng for the lesser evil a bad
> name.  bush is not going to institute the death penalty for
> homosexuals.  his running mate doesn't want his daughter
> killed.  recall that in the veep debates dick cheny came out in favor
> of allowing same sex marriages.

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here here. great points. we survived reagan, if we get george w we'll muddle
through.
(i'm not sure he can read, either, by the way. his grammar is really bad.)

christopher carroll wrote:

> my second response is why does the moral onus fall necessarily fall on us to
> do the "right thing." if gore and lieberman weren't corporate whores who had
> sold their souls for power, we'd be willing to vote for them.
> ...
> third, why are you so sure that bush could destroy the country in four
> years? reagan and bush couldn't do it twelve.  i'm not sure the shrub can
> read, let alone change the nature of our country.

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see that's a valid complaint against a candiate.  fear tactics that
bush will work to electrocute all lesbians and gays is not a valid
complaint, unless you have real evidence.

on mon, 23 oct 2000, kristen curry wrote:

> bush, the presidential candidate, opposes the employment non-discrimination act
> and civil marriage for lesbian and gay couples.
>
> you're right. let's not muddy the waters with nonsense. bush actively opposes
> civil rights for gays and lesbians.
>
> kc
>
> david steinberg wrote:
>
> > it's this kind of paranoia that gives votng for the lesser evil a bad
> > name.  bush is not going to institute the death penalty for
> > homosexuals.  his running mate doesn't want his daughter
> > killed.  recall that in the veep debates dick cheny came out in favor
> > of allowing same sex marriages.
>
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on mon, 23 oct 2000, rick hodgin wrote:

> if this bacteria has in fact survived for 250 million years, then what is it
> that makes you think humans are capable of affecting the environment in any
> way!?

   trite answer for a trite question: because we are.  period.

   i notice you have an indy.net e-mail...dunno how long you've been
living in indiana, but due to a bounty on wolves long ago, humans
eliminated the wolf species native to the area.  with no natural
predators, the deer population exploded.
   deer were seen ranging far and wide looking for food.  they did huge
amounts of damage to endangered and threatened tree and wildflower
species.  they were also more prone to cross roads to find food,
endangering human lives.
   (and some idiots from peta were protesting *against* a state-sponsored
hunt...talk about wasting oxygen...)

   we *can* affect the environment.  the extent is up for debate, but to
say we can't is just plain dumb.

   darius

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with such widely sindicated views
hundreds of years from now they'll celebrate rush-mas
and rush-ashana for the jews."
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gotta hand it to ya tracy,

great question. as a fan singing along, and showing newbies their songs, i
try my best to know what i'm singing about!

i'm a straight man who has been a fan since 1989, (ctf video on vh-1) and
sometimes catch myself singing lyrics about being gay that simply don't apply!

i mention that to put my .02 spin on your question about them singing lyrics
that will in turn represent "them".

i think this is where the "...that's a song by amy" or "...song by emily"
comes in from the girls.

the partnership between a and e at times must be just that, a partnership.
they are there to help each other get across what that person feels. a big of
ego repression must occur.

i can't see one boycotting a song by the other becuse she doesn't feel that
way. thats kind of the point, the other doesn't feel that way, which is why
she didn't write it!

faye tucker is a huge example for me. a song i love (until the end where that
indian singing goes on and on and on) but disagree with compleatly. i
personaly am for the death penalty. but i sing with gumption "...and that's
why killing don't pay! yeah! thats why killing don't pay!"

i don't know, maybe i've rambled too much, but i love the question. in short,
amy helps emily get her message out and in turn emily helps amy.

who knows, maybe they both adopt a personal policy of "don't ask don't tell"


joe
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> if this bacteria has in fact survived for 250 million years, then what is it
> that makes you think humans are capable of affecting the environment in any
> way!?  even if we had a nuclear war and all life on the planet was
> destroyed, the earth would reclaim itself and bounce back to viability in a
> geological tick of the clock!  (as is evident in that bacteria's continued
> survival)

1) the bacteria was imprisoned inside of something
2) the bacteria survived extinctions of *animals* not an extinction of
*lifeforms*
3) granted it would be extremely difficult to wipe out all life on the planet.
however, it would be easier to wipe out all human life on the planet, and much
easier (it has happened, is happening, and will continue to happen) to to make
humans sick and even kill many of them

> when mother nature decides our
> time is up ... we're history.

i think the complete eradication by science of many of the diseases that used
to plague humanity is good evidence for the fact that it is not to our
advantage to sit idly by and wait for natural disasters to claim our lives.

> there's nothing we can do to *harm* the earth.  there's nothing we can do to
> *save* the earth.

yes, but we can and do harm *people* and save *people*. perhaps you are lucky
enough never to have lived in an area of the world where there was high
polution before environmental standards came into effect. life was pretty
miserable in these places. many people got sick and died. there is still a lot
of damage being done to the environment and to people by pollution and other
dangers.

> to everyone who is planning to vote for al gore, george bush or ralph nader
> consider this .... yours will just be a vote for bigger government, no
> matter what the intricacies of their plans might be.

i don't think the problem is always the government. the big bad guy is often
the corporations. nader is the only candidate really confronting this issue. if
libertarianism were the answer, our country wouldn't be in a health care crisis
right now. unrestricted capatalism works only for non-essential, non-harmful
products and services. people need to have guarenteed access to things that are
essential to life and well-being, and need to have protection from dangers to
their health and lives.

jack

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disappeared....it was a riot!
sparkie

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>from: sprdinosur@aol.com <sprdinosur@aol.com>
>
>i can't see one boycotting a song by the other becuse she doesn't feel that
>way.

one case where that did happen was "the ballad of squeaky fromme".  i can
remember an interview (much later) where emily said that the reason that stayed
a solo song was that she just couldn't get where amy was coming from with that
song and wouldn't sing on it.  in the interview she said that by this later
date, that she had tempered her reactions and would probably sing on such a song
if amy had written something new and similar.

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                      copyright 2000 journal sentinel inc.

                           milwaukee journal sentinel

                     october 20, 2000 friday final edition

honor the earth tour honors slain indian activist;
indigo girls, browne give concert in keshena

bill berry special to the journal sentinel


   keshena -- they gave a concert for ingrid washinawatok here on thursday
night.

   people came to the spotless little theater at menominee indian high
school to
hear jackson browne, the indigo girls and other artists perform on the last
leg
of their honor the earth tour, which has visited indian reservations and
towns
around the country with a mixture of activism and music.

   they chose to end the tour here to honor washinawatok, an activist for
the
causes of indigenous people who was murdered by leftist guerrillas in
colombia
in march 1999.

   the indigo girls -- amy ray and emily saliers -- helped bring
washinawatok's
body back to the reservation, and they were among those who gathered along
the
wolf river on thursday at the home of gina washinawatok, ingrid's sister,
for a
ceremony in a little pagoda where ingrid's body rests in a traditional
spirit
house.

   "it's mixed with happiness and pain," said gina, an art teacher at the
high
school.

   she was happy that people came to honor her sister's memory and her work
on
behalf of indigenous people around the world. but the family still lacks
closure
because the guerrilla leaders who allegedly ordered ingrid washinawatok's
death
haven't been prosecuted.

   "there still have been no investigations, no resolving of their deaths,
or
why," gina said.

   the people who killed her and two others -- terence freitas of los
angeles
and lahe'ena'e gay of hawaii -- received light sentences, family members
said.
and the leaders who ordered the murders have not been prosecuted, they said.

   menominee people knew and loved ingrid, but they had no idea of the
extent of
her international work until her death, said cousin steve dodge.

   "ingrid was just like everybody else. she visited and talked about kids
and
stuff. a lot of people didn't know what she did until she was murdered," he
said.

   her work was international in scope, and she lived in new york, but her
first
home was on the reservation, and so it was fitting that the honor the earth
tour
ended here, said saliers.

   "we've come to pay our respects to ingrid and we continue to work on
these
issues in honor of all the work she did, so that her work continues,"
saliers
said. "ingrid was like a beacon to so many of us. "

   among those for whom ingrid left a lasting impression was wade fernandez,
a
menominee indian who lives and teaches in milwaukee during the school year
and
comes back to the reservation over the summers.

   fernandez is a singer- songwriter, and he performed on stage at the high
school where he received his diploma and sneaked into little practice rooms
between classes to work on his guitar licks. he wrote two songs for ingrid
and
performed them at the concert.

   "ingrid was very special to me," fernandez said. "we're good friends of
the
family."

   ingrid's husband, ali el-issa, a palestinian and a human rights activist
from
new york, looked out over a bend in the wolf river, and at the pagoda he had
built to protect ingrid's above-ground spirit house.

   "we decided to bring her back to the land she loved," he said.

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>one case where that did happen was "the ballad of squeaky >fromme".  i can
>remember an interview (much later) where emily said that the >reason that
stayed
>a solo song was that she just couldn't get where amy was coming >from with
that
>song and wouldn't sing on it.  in the interview she said that by >this
later
>date, that she had tempered her reactions and would probably sing >on such
a song
>if amy had written something new and similar.
>
>ron

could someone please post the lyrics to that song.  i looked for it on
lifeblood and couldn't find it.  i don't think i have ever heard it.
thanks,
mi rinda

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this is a very powerful story.  i had never heard of ingrid washinawatok,
or her life or her murder, so thank you for posting this article, and
thanks to amy and emily for educating us!


sheryl jones wrote:
>
>                       copyright 2000 journal sentinel inc.
>
>                            milwaukee journal sentinel
>
>                      october 20, 2000 friday final edition
>
> honor the earth tour honors slain indian activist;
> indigo girls, browne give concert in keshena
>
> bill berry special to the journal sentinel
>
>
>    keshena -- they gave a concert for ingrid washinawatok here on thursday
> night.
>
>    people came to the spotless little theater at menominee indian high
> school to
> hear jackson browne, the indigo girls and other artists perform on the last
> leg
> of their honor the earth tour, which has visited indian reservations and
> towns
> around the country with a mixture of activism and music.
>
>    they chose to end the tour here to honor washinawatok, an activist for
> the
> causes of indigenous people who was murdered by leftist guerrillas in
> colombia
> in march 1999.
>
>    the indigo girls -- amy ray and emily saliers -- helped bring
> washinawatok's
> body back to the reservation, and they were among those who gathered along
> the
> wolf river on thursday at the home of gina washinawatok, ingrid's sister,
> for a
> ceremony in a little pagoda where ingrid's body rests in a traditional
> spirit
> house.
>
>    "it's mixed with happiness and pain," said gina, an art teacher at the
> high
> school.
>
>    she was happy that people came to honor her sister's memory and her work
> on
> behalf of indigenous people around the world. but the family still lacks
> closure
> because the guerrilla leaders who allegedly ordered ingrid washinawatok's
> death
> haven't been prosecuted.
>
>    "there still have been no investigations, no resolving of their deaths,
> or
> why," gina said.
>
>    the people who killed her and two others -- terence freitas of los
> angeles
> and lahe'ena'e gay of hawaii -- received light sentences, family members
> said.
> and the leaders who ordered the murders have not been prosecuted, they said.
>
>    menominee people knew and loved ingrid, but they had no idea of the
> extent of
> her international work until her death, said cousin steve dodge.
>
>    "ingrid was just like everybody else. she visited and talked about kids
> and
> stuff. a lot of people didn't know what she did until she was murdered," he
> said.
>
>    her work was international in scope, and she lived in new york, but her
> first
> home was on the reservation, and so it was fitting that the honor the earth
> tour
> ended here, said saliers.
>
>    "we've come to pay our respects to ingrid and we continue to work on
> these
> issues in honor of all the work she did, so that her work continues,"
> saliers
> said. "ingrid was like a beacon to so many of us. "
>
>    among those for whom ingrid left a lasting impression was wade fernandez,
> a
> menominee indian who lives and teaches in milwaukee during the school year
> and
> comes back to the reservation over the summers.
>
>    fernandez is a singer- songwriter, and he performed on stage at the high
> school where he received his diploma and sneaked into little practice rooms
> between classes to work on his guitar licks. he wrote two songs for ingrid
> and
> performed them at the concert.
>
>    "ingrid was very special to me," fernandez said. "we're good friends of
> the
> family."
>
>    ingrid's husband, ali el-issa, a palestinian and a human rights activist
> from
> new york, looked out over a bend in the wolf river, and at the pagoda he had
> built to protect ingrid's above-ground spirit house.
>
>    "we decided to bring her back to the land she loved," he said.
>
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cheney absolutely did not say he was in favor of same sex marriages.  he
tapdanced around the issue.  lieberman had stated in his answer to the
question about gay rights that he was opposed to same sex marriage but
that perhaps the government needs to institute some kind of recognition
such as vermont's civil union.  but he said he needed to contemplate it
more.  then cheney responded by saying that he too was not in favor of
granting the same recognition to gay couples, but that he thinks deeply
and seriously about the issue and wants to encourage "tolerance" for same
sex couples.  never, ever did the statement, "i support same sex marriage"
come out of his mouth.  and he has done an excellent job of staying
completely silent about his daughter, btw.

> david steinberg wrote:
>
> > homosexuals.  his running mate doesn't want his daughter
> > killed.  recall that in the veep debates dick cheny came out in favor
> > of allowing same sex marriages.

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wow, i reached down into my bag of 1995 email and found this.  if it gets
distorted enroute to you, let me know and i'll email it to you privately.

jude :)

subject: squeaky chords/ftp

someone asked for the chords so here they are. also if you do ftp from aol
you can get into it and get lots of the ig songs. when i first tried it it
was full 30 people at a time but i tried & got in. thanks to the person that
gave the aol info about ftp.

am  c  g  d
[intro]

am                    c       g                    d
  we're scared as hell 'cause squeaky's out of jail
      am                c               g             d
i can feel her close behind me like the devil on my heels
     am                    c            g           d
they say she's heading to california or maybe for dc
        am                     c      g               d
but i'm sittin' here down in georgia arguing with my family
am   g    c    d

the contras called a truce, but they broke it in an hour
now someone sittin' in the tower of babel is givin' them their power
well they stopped the war in bethlehem just to let sweet jesus pass
oh but how much does it really mean if they screw him over behind his back?

i can feel her closin' in, and i hope she understands
that society and me, now we aren't necessarily hand in hand
she's broken all her bonds, got no superficial cause
you know she gave up all her chances to live inside the law

now squeaky, peace on earth - will you tell me what it's worth?
>from the inside out i'd let you in; you might understand
well now squeaky, in your mixed-up mind, you may not be so blind
>from the inside out i'd let you in, you might understand

     am            c             g               d
that god is in my heart, but the devil's in our bones
    am      c  g  d             am   c       g             d
and squeaky,      you are not alone,   yeah, you are not alone
       am             c               g6              d(9)
gimme peace on earth, peace on earth, peace on earth, peace on earth
am             c               g6              d(9)
squeaky, gimme peace on earth, peace on earth, peace on earth
am              c               g6              d(9)
peace on earth, peace on earth, peace on earth, peace on earth
    am             c                            g
now squeaky, gimme peace on earth, and then you tell me what it's worth
(n.c.)
>from the inside out i would let you in, i think that you might understand
(n.c.)
that a god is in my heart, but the devil, i said the devil's in our bones
    am      c    g
and squeaky,       you are not alone

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date:         mon, 23 oct 2000 16:09:43 edt
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hey y'all,

while i was away, i received quite a few e-mails regarding the ig listees
ringsurf ring.

if you have a website, you are welcome to join.  your page does not have to
contain igc, all that i ask is that you a) are a member of this list (or one
of the sublists) and b) that you place the html code on your page (it is
small and there are no graphics, so it will not overshadow your site's
content).

if you want to join, please go here:
http://www.ringsurf.com/netring?ring=iglistees;action=addform

also, please note that as soon as the ring code is e-mailed to you, please
add it to your page.  :-)

thanks y'all!

:-) karen

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date:         mon, 23 oct 2000 16:24:49 -0400
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       first of all: gore/nader/bush folks, please. please take it to
private mail. you've already been asked several times. there's nothing
that makes your one last comment any more important than everybody else's.
when a listee requests that a thread stop onlist, that includes you.
        list bitch mode off...
        neil mentioned awhile back that it's been ages since we've done a
thorough song treatment onlist, and, well, i want to do one. for leaving.
i typed up the lyrics just now for quick reference, so i may as well post
them now (most likely typo-ful, but better than nothing.) anybody actually
interested in my big english major type ramble, stay tooned...

        mandy


leaving

jet fuel and traffic lines
pulling out fro mthe delta signs
the distant shape of my hometown
black stains where the wheels touch down
i pick up the morning news
i pass the man who's never shined my shoes
through security into the train
that'll take me to the aeroplane

count the miles on the highway
the sum of all my days
here's a postcard, there's a call
there's a picture for your bedroom wall
but did you ever wonder through and through
who's that person standing next to you
and after all the nights apart
is there a home for a traveling heart

but if i weren't leaving you
i don't know what i would do
because the more i go, the less i know
will the fire still burn on my return
to keep the path lit on the only road i know
honey, all i know to do is go

a cup of coffee and my bags are packed
same vow not to look back
familiar emptiness inside
as the distances grow wide
but though i vow to memorize
the last look in your loving eyes
it's here dusk and there dawn
it's like a curtain getting slowly drawn

but if i weren't leaving you
i don't know what i would do
because the more i go, the less i know
will the fire still burn on my return
keep the path lit on the only road i know
honey, all i know to do is go

                so go ahead, push your luck
                say what it is you gotta say to me
                we will push on into this mystery
                and it'll push right back
                and there are worse things than that...
                                  *dar williams*

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www.honorearth.org
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        (disclaimer: the author of this post is well aware that there are
other, quite possibly better, ways to read this song, and i hope everybody
will jump in with different ideas. all opinions contained herein are the
sole responsibility of the listee. no actual indigo girls were harmed in
the writing of this post. all mentions of "emily" refer to the speaker in
the song rather than the complicated and private human being whom we all
admire.)

        i've been singing along to leaving ever since it came out without
paying much attention. i mean, rather than really thinking much about the
verses i was just listening to the words of the chorus. but yesterday i
made an effort to sit down and really listen, and this whole new level of
subtext jumped out at me - it kind of sounds like it's about infidelity.
        i know. !!!
        i should preface this by saying that when i first heard leaving, i
sort of assumed it was a love song to the person who stays home while ig
are out on the road. this may not be the case, but it's against that
backdrop that i'm teasing out these new ideas.

exhibit a:
        the song is called leaving. as in leaving what? leaving how? i'm
inclined to conflate all the potential answers to the first question into
on person who somehow symbolizes all the places and things that emily
misses while she's away. what the title doesn't tell us, though, is
whether she's merely removing herself physically, or whether there's some
deeper emotional parting which is being dealt with metaphorically.


exhibit b:
                but did you ever wonder through and through     (11)
                who's that person standing next to you          (12)

        good question. my first thought was that it's some random person
who serves to remind emily of how much time she spends among strangers.
it seems possible, though, that she (emily) is expressing real curiosity
about this random stranger, a real desire to know him/her (in the biblical
sense or otherwise) brought on by the loneliness of travel.
        but who knows. maybe that person standing next to her is actually
amy, and the line is really a big "why the hell do i voluntarily spend so
much of my time with this freak?" and who's even to say that the "you" is
definitely emily?

exhibit c:
                and after all the nights apart          (13)
                is there a home for a traveling heart   (14)

        my instinct is to read the second line in this couplet as
modifying the first - that is, the question of home is being tested by the
nights apart. which implies that the heart and its home are being divided.
but "home" actually kinda floats there in the middle of the line, and for
that matter in the middle of the song. the only other explicit mention of
home is in the third line, but even then it's only the "distant shape,"
not quite the thing itself. it's almost as though she doesn't know what or
where home is, anymore... which would make her more likely to seek it out,
even in temporary or unsatisfactory forms.

exhibit d:
                the more i go, the less i know                  (17)
                will the fire still burn on my return           (18)
                to keep the path lit on the only road i know    (19)
                honey, all i know to do is go                   (20)

        okay, this part is kind of tricky because the retrospective lyric
booklet prints it the way i've written it above, but emily sings it
without the "to" in line 19, as though the the question ends with "return"
and line 19 is actually an instruction rather than part of the question.
either way, emily is questioning whether the fire (i.e. the love,
strength, etc of her bond with the loved one, the "you" of the chorus) can
hold up to the separation. the last line of the chorus makes it sound as
though "the only road i know" is not the road home, back to the lover, but
rather the same path outward and away that emily has been traveling all
along.

exhibit e:
                same vow not to look back                       (22)

        why would it be so important that emily promise not to look back
(since the word vow suggests that she would certainly be tempted to)? the
two answers i can come up with are 1) a fear of the danger of committing
to anything while traveling, and 2) shame over whatever it is she'd be
looking back on. if it's the first, it could be the lover herself whom
emily is temporarily rejecting, or a potential dalliance; if it's the
second, it almost certainly is some kind of betrayal.

exhibit f:
                but though i vow to memorize                    (25)
                the last look in your loving eyes               (26)
                it's here dusk and there dawn                   (27)
                it's like a curtain getting slowly drawn        (28)

        this bit sounds more as though it's the entire lifestyle that
steals emily away from her lover rather than any individual - she just
can't keep her lover in mind while faced with the travel. but the time
images she uses (dusk and dawn) are signal times of awareness for sexual
involvement - that is, night comes and emily realizes she's not with her
lover (and maybe she is with somebody else), and dawn arrives with the
same message.
        *whew*
        now, i don't think that emily actually wrote a song about cheating
on her lover, or that if that is part of the content of the song it's only
as a way of advancing her main point. in fact, now that i'm listening to
it again i don't think she meant it to be about that at all. but i do
think one can validly read that into the text of the song, and that's a
weird feeling.
        so am i right? am i wrong? am i not being thorough enough in my
reading? jump in, y'all.
        mandy


                so go ahead, push your luck
                say what it is you gotta say to me
                we will push on into this mystery
                and it'll push right back
                and there are worse things than that...
                                  *dar williams*

www.thehungersite.org
www.honorearth.org
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date:         mon, 23 oct 2000 17:06:27 edt
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yeah, the seemed a bit tired, but they were way energized by us.  they
seemed to love our enthusiasm, except maybe during river when people were
talking a bit too much.
but they seemed constantly amazed at the amount of singing  (which only
bothered me during river and romeo and juliet, the latter because amy likes
to mess with the count and words and when everyone else is doing that you
lose the effect).
it was also cute because i got to see amy singing in the background just
like us, away from the mic on emily's parts, and vice versa.


this was the closest i've ever been and i was thrilled.  i was less than 3
meters from amy.  problem with being so close was that the mic was in the
way of amy for my view!!

but thats ok cuz michelle saw me dancin and said i was awesome up there :)
she picked me out to get the setlist she handed out and everything :)

eek, awesome show, though i'm not sure i wanna compare it with boalsburg in
penn.

it was a great show, after we got preshow tics and then actually got in.
the only bad part about the show was when this woman yelled at dierdre and
the other 11 year old because her girlfriend threw her bra up on stage and
michelle threw it back out after her set.  i caught it and deeds grabbed it
and then this lady comes running up "give me that!  its my girlfriends bra"
and starts yelling at them...
i was thinking "did that bra just fly up on stage by accident?"

it was disturbing really.
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date:         mon, 23 oct 2000 17:27:33 edt
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hey y'all,

i had promised a few people (a looong time ago) that i would post what i
originally thought the leaving lyrics were from the berkeley show and
berkeley and sacramento boots (besides, i loved the old misheard lines
threads).  this is pretty funny and a lot of my "original" lyrics made no
sense whatsoever.  so i was super glad that the retrospective had the correct
lyrics printed in the liner notes.

enjoy! (and thanks mandy, for posting the lyrics so that i don't have to
retype the real ones.  hehe)

note: i will type (in caps lock) what i *thought* i had heard under the
correct version. ;-)


jet fuel and traffic lines
pulling out from the delta signs
pulling up to the delta signs
the distant shape of my hometown
just a shade from my hometown (i know, i know...makes no sense)
black stains where the wheels touch down
i pick up the morning news
i pass the man who's never shined my shoes
i passed the man who's gonna shine my shoes
through security into the train
that'll take me to the aeroplane

count the miles on the highway
got my miles on the highway
the sum of all my days
the sun will warm my days
here's a postcard, there's a call
there's a picture for your bedroom wall
but did you ever wonder through and through
who's that person standing next to you
and after all the nights apart
is there a home for a traveling heart
i'm going home but i've traveled far

but if i weren't leaving you
but if i were leaving you
i don't know what i would do
because the more i go, the less i know
will the fire still burn on my return
(i had no idea what she was saying here)
to keep the path lit on the only road i know
honey, all i know to do is go
honey all i want to do is go home

a cup of coffee and my bags are packed
i got my coffee and my bags all packed
same vow not to look back
sayin' now not to look back
familiar emptiness inside
as the distances grow wide
but though i vow to memorize
i've got it memorized
the last look in your loving eyes
it's here dusk and there dawn
it's dusk becomming dawn
it's like a curtain getting slowly drawn

but if i weren't leaving you
i don't know what i would do
because the more i go, the less i know
will the fire still burn on my return
keep the path lit on the only road i know
honey, all i know to do is go

anyway, leaving is my favorite new emily song in a long time.  :-)  when i
first heard it in berkeley, i knew i would love it.  i requested it at
cleveland, but they didn't do it.  but now that the retrospective is out, i
have been quite spoiled hearing it on the radio (just twice, before hte) at
hte and at columbus.

i have been in so many long distence relationships myself, that every word in
that song rings true.  i especially love the line "familiar emptiness inside,
as the distences grow wide."  for me, that one line is not only about long
distence relationships, but long distence friendships as well.  when i left
my best friend in ohio on sunday, that line kept running through my head.  i
know the song *is* about a romantic relationship ("will the fire still burn
on my return"), but for me, i can almost view the whole song (the gist, not
individual lines) about long distence friendships.

but back to the relationship thing.  i can really relate.  like the girls,
(but not nearly as much), i travel a lot and have lived all over the world.
everywhere i have lived, i usually tend to find some sort of significant
other.  my "ex" (kind of)-boyfriend lives in japan (and yes, he is japanese.
i get asked that all the time.  and no,  i did not become interested in
japanese culture because i met him.  in fact, i met him after i had been
studying the language for a long time...).  i e-mailed him (a really bad
translation) the lyrics to leaving.  i think that we both sort of see
ourselves in that song.  everytime i see him, i have to say goodbye so
quickly.

i  also like emily's (accurate) description of the airport.  for me, airports
are both the happiest and saddest places on earth.  by the time i have to
leave wherever i am, i am usually ready to go back home, but at the same
time, leaving all of the people behind is one of the shittiest feelings in
the world.  i really liked the way that emily kept her own experiences
(goodbyes, etc) at the airport out of the first verse, but then left all of
the imagery so open so that everyone can relate with their own feelings at
the airport (if that made any sense to y'all).

i guess the reason i like the entire song so much is that once again, emily
is really able to tap into how i (and many others) have such strong, yet
mixed, emotions about leaving significant others, and how long distence
relationships can be so hard.  i know i am probably one of the only people
who relates this song to friendships as well, but that is me and i am weird.
:-)  anyway, i am sorry i didn't do a line by line discussion, but i am still
recovering from getting home from ohio.

:-) karen (who unlike mandy is/was not an english major...)

http://www.geocities.com/karen_rosenblum

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date:         tue, 24 oct 2000 08:05:21 +1000
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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hey folks,

this is forwarded from the news-only list...

-sherlyn


---------- forwarded message ----------
date: mon, 23 oct 2000 02:57:53 edt
from: fitamy@aol.com
subject: [ig-news] wvu setlist and thoughts

setlist:

ozilline
power of two
reunion
get out the map
devotion
love's recovery
gone again
peace tonight
kid fears
least complicated
nashville!!!!!
river
shame on you
leaving
chickenman
closer to fine
encore:
wild horses
galileo

michelle malone and sandy garfinkel (who my brother almost drowned as a kid)
sat in on a bunch of tunes. it's late and i am too lazy too note which songs.
nashville made my life complete. leaving and devotion were also real bonuses.
the girls were defintely tired and not chatty at all. although, amy did say
she started writing nashville in geology class @ vanderbilt and lost the
lyrics when she went to meet someone for a "rendezvous" a cheap motel in
atlanta....................

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date:         mon, 23 oct 2000 18:02:36 -0400
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<<neil mentioned awhile back that it's been ages since we've done a
thorough song treatment onlist, and, well, i want to do one. for leaving>>

i must have said that in a drug-induced haze because i don't remember saying
that. or, for that matter, having any drug-induced hazes. but anyway.

ok. forget for a moment that leaving was written by our heroine emily.
forget you've ever heard the music.
forget this is an indigo girls list and go and read the words, as posted.

these, my friends, are bad, bad lyrics.

i mean, i've been in a long distance relationship. and if i wrote a song
about it (which i probably did at one point or another) then i would likely
come up with something like this, and i can't write lyrics for toffee.
this is nothing more than a trite, sixth-form poem.

bloody great tune though.
and to me, that's really all that matters...

whereas 'devotion' is just a bad song all over. a throwaway.

i mean, if you heard it on the radio, and you didn't know it was the indigo
girls, would you give it a second thought?? honestly??

but point hope. point hope just might be one of the best songs amy has ever
written (tm). if you haven't downloaded it, it's worth every penny.

(disclaimer. the opinions expressed above are intended to inspire debate and
may not accurately represent those of the author at any given time, now or
in the future...)

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date:         mon, 23 oct 2000 15:11:45 -0700
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hi,

i have an extra sealed tower promo cd with the live tracks & acoustic
wood song.  i will trade it to someone who has a good sounding boot (cd
or otherwise) of a recent show which includes the songs leaving,
devotion, and point hope.  anyone?

wendell

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date:         mon, 23 oct 2000 18:21:46 edt
reply-to:     indigokare@aol.com
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hey all,

i know that this is a shot in the dark, but i figured i'd try.  a friend of
mine is looking for tom waits boots. he has already tried the tape traders
network, but the problem is, he doesn't really have anything to trade. if
anyone out there has any good tom waits boots and is willing to help my
friend out, please e-mail me.

:-) karen

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this is legitimate----if you go to http://health.yahoo.com/ and click on the
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date:         mon, 23 oct 2000 18:28:55 edt
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hey ya know what i love???? i love at the end of "go" where amy
sings/screams with wild abandon "go go go" and you hear her voice crack &
waver  - i love it!!!!
:-)
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>
> these, my friends, are bad, bad lyrics.

yes they are, but even my country music loving bf
adored them.. i'll do anything to convert that man
over to ig....

> i mean, i've been in a long distance relationship.
> and if i wrote a song
> about it (which i probably did at one point or
> another) then i would likely
> come up with something like this, and i can't write
> lyrics for toffee.
> this is nothing more than a trite, sixth-form poem.

i write poems about this sort of thing.. they always
stink.. trying to express the feeling of being away
from your loved ones.. it's like trying to rhyme
silver.

> bloody great tune though.
> and to me, that's really all that matters...

hell yes.

> whereas 'devotion' is just a bad song all over. a
> throwaway.

careful neil.. devotion will grow on you.. it gets
stuck in my head and i don't know the words, and now..
i love it.. this is baaaaaad


> but point hope. point hope just might be one of the
> best songs amy has ever
> written (tm). if you haven't downloaded it, it's
> worth every penny.
>

i love love love love love this song. sorry for the me
too post.

joanne

(who liked leaving enough to use it in her sig quote)

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hi folks,

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i can't listen to point hope. everyone loves it. there is no way i can get it. i
am so so so so sad!

wah!

(just sharing)

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>>
>> these, my friends, are bad, bad lyrics.
>
>yes they are, but even my country music loving bf
>adored them.. i'll do anything to convert that man
>over to ig....
>
>> i mean, i've been in a long distance relationship.
>> and if i wrote a song
>> about it (which i probably did at one point or
>> another) then i would likely
>> come up with something like this, and i can't write
>> lyrics for toffee.
>> this is nothing more than a trite, sixth-form poem.
>
>i write poems about this sort of thing.. they always
>stink.. trying to express the feeling of being away
>from your loved ones.. it's like trying to rhyme
>silver.
>
>> bloody great tune though.
>> and to me, that's really all that matters...
>
>hell yes.
>
>> whereas 'devotion' is just a bad song all over. a
>> throwaway.
>
>careful neil.. devotion will grow on you.. it gets
>stuck in my head and i don't know the words, and now..
>i love it.. this is baaaaaad
>
>
>> but point hope. point hope just might be one of the
>> best songs amy has ever
>> written (tm). if you haven't downloaded it, it's
>> worth every penny.
>>
>
>i love love love love love this song. sorry for the me
>too post.
>
>joanne
>
>(who liked leaving enough to use it in her sig quote)
>
>
>
>=====
>honey, all i know to do is go.
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>
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many who is my indigo fairy god sister wrote:

>>exhibit b:
                but did you ever wonder through and through     (11)
                who's that person standing next to you          (12)

>        good question. my first thought was that it's some random person
>who serves to remind emily of how much time she spends among strangers.
>it seems possible, though, that she (emily) is expressing real curiosity
>about this random stranger, a real desire to know him/her (in the biblical
>sense or otherwise) brought on by the loneliness of travel.
>        but who knows. maybe that person standing next to her is actually
>amy, and the line is really a big "why the hell do i voluntarily spend so
>much of my time with this freak?" and who's even to say that the "you" is
>definitely emily?

only really having heard this song once --i do not have the money to buy a
new cd right now- i have to say that i interpret this line as referring to
whomever emily left behind, i.e. her girlfriend. it's kind of saying, after
all this time away, when we're finally face to face again, are you really
the person that i think you are or were and how has the time and distance
changed us?

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umm... and mandy does in fact have a "d" in her name. yes she does. (sorry)

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i got your back on that on tammy!!!


i love that,

i too scream at the top of my lungs and try to make my voice crack with hers.

i'm always hoarse after that one!!!!

good call

joe
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hey kind friends!

when i first heard this song, i went, "argh! the torture of emily missing
leslie", and all the achiness of long-distance love.

and, of course, when i was passing a shoe shine place at the philadelphia
airport, i specifically looked at the man, and at the two customers who were
atop the highchairs.  and i wondered what the shoeshine man really wanted to
do for a living, or was it a joy knowing that people walked away from his
place having shiny shoes?

being involved with someone who travels for business is a tough situation.
knowing what i know now, i would say that i never want to fall in love with
someone like that.  but i've said "never" before, and now i pine away for a
man who is originally from the middle east, so i'll shut up right now about
saying never.

travelling has meant to me a time where i can get away for a while--a new
adventure.  i have also used it as a means of escaping what troubles me at
home.  but it also means that home is always there to return to. and that's
a real comfort.

yeah, (neil) the lyric "will the fire still burn on my return" is really
corny.  but i ask that question everytime i leave california.  as if,
someone had a flame burning for me.

:) diane

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"neil :o)" wrote:


> these, my friends, are bad, bad lyrics.
>
> i mean, i've been in a long distance relationship. and if i wrote a song
> about it *snip*

actually, neil, i think you're missing the point of the lyrics.  think
about this song as being a companion piece to "language or the kiss".
it's not about having a long-distance relationship.  it's about leaving
someone behind because your life calls you to be elsewhere, and knowing
how hard that is on the relationship.

i've actually only heard this song live.  can't wait to hear a studio
version!

-graham

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hello all. i come out of lurking every  year or so. last time i was writing
an indigo article for sonicnet. no such luck this time,but maybe some of you
remember me.

three questions:

1)is point hope the bootleg formerly known as lil darlin? if it is, did amy
write this or is it a cover? where is it from? if this is lil darlin and amy
wrote this, my god, it is an amazing song, better than what i most recently
declared the best amy song ever, ozilline. (previously, it was land of
cannan, which is a great song about a long distance relationship.) she really
has developed her outward writer's eye if she wrote this. come on now social
had a lot of that --where she wasnt writing about her like in faye tucker and
ozilline -- but this song is a masterpiece.

2)speaking of which, why is everyone dissing leaving. the music is grand. and
the lyrics aint that bad, tho it did remind me of a country tune. but i think
this is a middle aged emily (i can call her that, i am the same age) maybe
realizing that the life on the road has become a crutch. no matter how long
you have been with someone if you regularly pick up and leave for months at a
time, you cant really develop any true intimacy. im sure it's deceptive too,
because unlike a true long distance relationship, you live with the person
when you are home which could be months at a time, but if you have a job like
emily, you are not ever really all there, because you always know it is just
a matter of time before you are leaving again. to me, leaving sounds like
maybe the  narrator just figured out altho she's been cursing the life on the
road all these years, it's actually the only way she knows how to do a
relationship and couldnt pull one off if she had to be there all the time.


3)going to be in atlanta soon and fully intend on doing the ig pilgrimmage.
can anyone recommend good stops besides the obvious like emily's restaurant
and eddie's attic. like i'd love to find the spot where the closer to fine
video was shot.


thanks for any light you can shed on any of this.

signing off.

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i really want a bootleg of the columbus show. you've heard how good it was
and i was right next to her so i know how good it was. i'll trade a tape of
shades of indigo or a really really crapy tape of a mexican show in late '96.
if anyone has a bootleg i can make some sort of compromise. i do have a nice
collection of songs ig covers that i'd trade for. kim (kimh57@aol.com)

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okay.  i was just going to eat dinner, do my laundry, maybe play a few
chords and howl, read my e-mail, brush my teeth and settle down in my bed
with a good book (al franken's latest)...but, i saw this note about
barbara kingsolver and felt like i had to toot my horn about janisse ray.
she is so very awesome.  you know?  she's one of the guest speakers at
the earth challenge thingy this friday in atlanta.

well, today i received a hand-written post card from her.  i wrote her a
letter after i read her book _ecology of a cracker childhood_.  it was so
funny and southern.  i had to write to her!  she wrote back and i got the
post card today.  i'm beside myself with excitement.  when my sister came
over to help me plant some bulbs (my sister lives across the street from
me), she noticed i was more animated than usual and asked "what's the
matter chee? are you stoned?"  i showed my sister the post card and now
she wants to read the book, too.  it's great isn't it to spread
enthusiasm for art to family?

i'm gettin' ready for this week's southeastern tour.  i'm sooo very this
week started off with a post card from ms. janisse ray.  i'm hoping to
see her at the show in atlanta.

for all y'all carolina ig freaks, i'll be driving through you neck of
woods with signs that may say "who are the indigo girls and why are they
following me?"on a red nissan truck with a camper top with ga plates.
see ya 'round.

don't forget about the list meet in atlanta.  we're meeting at the bar
called jocks and jills at the park.

chee hill
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i've finally decided that since i raised $320,  and they cost a total of
$376 that i'm going to front the rest, and keep bumpers that are left
over.

so tomorrow i will be going to order.  see ya.
it will take three weeks to get the bumpers back. oh, yes did anyone get
pictures of the ig show in mpls? i took a whole roll, i just got them
back, and i really  was surprized. they're
3 1/2x5  so the images are kind of tiny, but they are so clear! i'm very
glad i took them. i just had to share that!!

and now back to your regularly scheduled ig listening.

peace
barb

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im not sure who wrote a while ago looking for a copy of this show (rainy day
in '98 i think), but if whoever did is still out there and still searching
for a copy, drop me line. i think i might be able to help you out.
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> i must have said that in a drug-induced haze because i don't remember saying
> that. or, for that matter, having any drug-induced hazes. but anyway.

        don't you remember, neil? that's when you were reminiscing about
the black stuff that used to come out of your nose.


> these, my friends, are bad, bad lyrics.

        !!
        how can you-
        ...
        okay. i just reread the lyrics. and maybe they're not the most
brilliant thing emily has ever written. okay, especially the last verse.
but i do think that they're exactly what the song calls for. i love the
first couplet of the chorus, and the last line is heartrending, all the
more so for being offset by such simple lyrics. the first verse has some
really terrifich0k/ya imagery, i think - maybe it's just because i've
spent a
lot of time in airports, but i feel like she nails something there. i do
agree that the last verse is melodramatic, but i feel like it doesn't
really matter, much; to me, it all feels like exposition for the last line
of the chorus.
besides, one can't generate
virginia woolf or language or the kiss every time one sits down to write a
song.


>
> i mean, i've been in a long distance relationship. and if i wrote a song
> about it (which i probably did at one point or another) then i would likely
> come up with something like this, and i can't write lyrics for toffee.
> this is nothing more than a trite, sixth-form poem.
>
> bloody great tune though.
> and to me, that's really all that matters...
>
> whereas 'devotion' is just a bad song all over. a throwaway.
>
> i mean, if you heard it on the radio, and you didn't know it was the indigo
> girls, would you give it a second thought?? honestly??
>
> but point hope. point hope just might be one of the best songs amy has ever
> written (tm). if you haven't downloaded it, it's worth every penny.
>
> (disclaimer. the opinions expressed above are intended to inspire debate and
> may not accurately represent those of the author at any given time, now or
> in the future...)
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                so go ahead, push your luck
                say what it is you gotta say to me
                we will push on into this mystery
                and it'll push right back
                and there are worse things than that...
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        aaiiieeee. the hazards of dialup. sorry about that.
        where was i...

> > whereas 'devotion' is just a bad song all over. a throwaway.


-xy_^> > i mean, if you heard it on the radio, and you didn't know it was
the indigo
> > girls, would you give it a second thought?? honestly??
> >
> > but point hope. point hope just might be one of the best songs amy has ever
> > written (tm). if you haven't downloaded it, it's worth every penny.
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>       aaiiieeee. the hazards of dialup. sorry about that.

        double aaiieeee. i've gotta get offline. one last thing out of
loudmouth me, and then i'll stop posting. promise.


> > > whereas 'devotion' is just a bad song all over. a throwaway.
> >
> > i mean, if you heard it on the radio, and you didn't know it was
> > the indigo girls, would you give it a second thought?? honestly??

        yes.

        mandy
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i am having trouble with this....i think it is supposed to be on now.....if anyone could help me that would be great.  you cna email me or im me on aim : dianad128

thanks a lot

~di

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neil wrote:

> ok. forget for a moment that leaving was written by our heroine emily.
> forget you've ever heard the music.
> forget this is an indigo girls list and go and read the words, as posted.
>
> these, my friends, are bad, bad lyrics.

yes, but, you see: it *is* an indigo girls song.  specifically, it's an
emily song.  and it needs to be seen in the context of other emily songs.

it seems to me to be an overt attempt on emily's part to write a
non-metaphorical song, an extremely literal song, about the paradox of
*wanting* to leave her lover (literally) while wanting to remain with her
(spiritually, metaphorically) and wanting to return, but knowing the danger
in the literal space.  it's not about not wanting to leave her lover -- i
agree, neil, that would be really trite.  it's about her need to leave.

i think it's an amazing companion piece to "language or the kiss," which is
one of emily's 'beat that metaphor until it's dead, dead, dead' songs.

> whereas 'devotion' is just a bad song all over. a throwaway.

them's fightin' words.

i love this song.  i loved it the first time i heard it.  and i can't get it
out of my head.

frankly, i think doing the solo punk album is the best thing amy's ever
done.  because it's given her an outlet for that sound, while freeing her to
do more in the appalachian vein in her ig stuff.  i love amy's electric punk
stuff.  but i love this stuff, too.

maybe you need to be a control freak who has had to learn the hard way that
you just can't control everything -- people you love die, your internal
organs explode at inopportune moments, plans get wrecked, it's really unfun
to recover from abdominal surgery -- to appreciate that lyric.  but having
been there, i do.  the line "i haven't much need to look forward" is very
fine, both lyrically and in terms of the melodic line.  and i happen to love
the "taking dead trees down before the winter freeze/i said, let 'em rot!
let 'em fall where they may" lines.  again, in the context of earlier amy
songs, i kinda like this song set next to cedar tree.

obviously, liking/disliking these songs is a matter of taste.  but i think
they're right for the end of a retrospective of their career to this
point -- maybe more so than for a new album.

and pt. hope foia is brilliant, i agree.  but it's a different kind of ig
song.  yes, my favorite ig songs mix the personal and the political.  but
there's something to be said for the purely personal ones, too.

ruth
(not only an english major, but an english phd, too...)

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no kidding, that has to be one of the sexiest things
ever.


--- tamera mcnamara <tlmstar@hotmail.com> wrote:
> hey ya know what i love???? i love at the end of
> "go" where amy
> sings/screams with wild abandon "go go go" and you
> hear her voice crack &
> waver  - i love it!!!!
> :-)
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hey y'all,

geez...i am posting a lot today.  i think it's that ig withdrawl (or
procrstinating studying for the gre...).

i *like* devotion, but unlike others on this list, it is not my favorite amy
song (and i'll also admit that i like leaving better...).  i remember when we
first started discussing devotion (when the retrospective was released), and
a lot of people expressed how pleased they were with the harmonies.  that is
one of the main reason that i like devotion.  amy's and emily's voices
compliment eachother so beautifully, and i think that devotion showcases that
more than any other recent ig song.  also, for those of you who haven't heard
it, devotion sounds great live!

:-) karen

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ok i know me too posts are not allowed...but i agree with you soooo
much...hello???devotion bad song???hello?  someone call the paramedics...neil
has gone crazy....must be all the boot making..

carla :o)

"spend my time being broken hearted and grieving bound"  amy ray

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so whats that bit'o'other song that is occasionally put into the middle of
chickenman?

i love it but dont know its name....
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hey, i got the hob webcast to work on real player, but
it wouldn't work on windows media player.  does anyone
know how long this will be played?  it doesn't seem
like the same thing that was played a few weeks ago.
this has more interviewing or something.  i think it's
the pre-show or something?  also, it says the entire
show will be played tomorrow starting at 6pm....does
anyone know if this will be the show from before and
this pre-show and interview stuff or just the other
part of the show?  any info is wanted, cause i'm so
confused by this! hehe.
thanks!
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local favorites ( and indigo-ish) band halcyon will be performing at "my
sisters' room" on friday night oct 27th.. got this from the website.. you can
check it out for directions and other info..

local favorites "halcyon" performing live!! doors open at 7pm. show starts at
9. $8 cover 21+

http://www.mysistersroom.com <a
href="http://www.mysistersroom.com/upcoming.html">welcome to my sister's room!
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peg said to me after the show:
(this is not exact, but you'll get the idea)
"you can't get any closer to perfection than amy, emily, and michelle's
harmonies on wild horses!"  amen sister!!

and, i'd like to ad that i think michelle really wraps her voice
all up in that song... the crowd just ate that up!

later,
twink!

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. . . and furthermore (this is cheesy) sometimes i think of that brilliant
moment when i click on my browsers go button - eheheheee!
yt
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tammy,

if i'm in a car with someone and they are sitting at a light,

when it turns green i sing it! "go, go, go"

they always know it's comming too. i love it!

joe
brooklyn,ny

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1.  well.  i just got back from the chat about ga clean air activism and
the earth challenge show with michelle malone.  i asked her if janisse
ray will in fact be there.  mm said that ms. janisse ray (no relation to
our ragin' amy ray...i don't think so anyway ) can't make it to the show
on saturday.  oh well.  so, that means that i don't have to get up really
early on saturday for the drive back home.

2.  i thought this was funny:  one afternoon last week, as i was driving
home, i was listening to npr out of atlanta.  they're doing the
fundraising for the year right now.  they were announcing some names of
supporters and sponsors.  they thanked "amy ray" for donating.  i laughed
b/c i was thinking of all those ig fans in atlanta who probably did a
double take when they announced that name, like i did.  i'm sure there
        are a lot of amy rays in atlanta, but none could match the amy ray, at
least in my book.       )

3.  concerning "devotion"  i loved dr. ruth's take on the two new
songs....not the dr. ruth; our own dr. ruth here on the list...
especially "devotion."  i love this song.  and i don't know if anyone has
said this yet on the list, but i have noticed that amy's songs are more
about nature lately...not generally about nature...but specifically.
also, this may be a really stupid question, but who is devotion about.
who's "you"?

4.  whether emily knows what amy's songs are about or amy knows what
emily's songs are about:  i'd bet that they know more about each other's
songs than they know about their own songs :)


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> 2.  i thought this was funny:  one afternoon last week, as i was
> drivinghome, i was listening to npr out of atlanta.  they're doing the
> fundraising for the year right now.  they were announcing some
> names of
> supporters and sponsors.  they thanked "amy ray" for donating.  i
> laughedb/c i was thinking of all those ig fans in atlanta who
> probably did a
> double take when they announced that name, like i did.

especially since npr is one of the biggest opponents of the low power fm
radio movement!!!! i have listened to npr for years, and find their
coverage of the news and so much more, intelligent and enlightening. i'm
still struggling w/how to reconcile continuing to listen to it while
supporting amy's noble cause!!!! last week was one of the dc-area's
public radio station's fundraising week, which i listen to in the
mornings, and i could not decide whether to contribute or not. so,
finally i decided that since i am still a frequent morning edition
consumer, then i do still have a duty to give back, so i included a
little note along w/my meager donation, explaining my disagreement
w/npr's stance on the low power fm radio issue, and asking that it not
be put toward that particular campaign. who knows if this will make a
difference, but at least it temporarily appeased my guilt! i'd love to
hear how others, who are bothered by this same conflict of interest,
have resolved it?


> i'm sure there
>        are a lot of amy rays in atlanta, but none could match the
> amy ray, at
> least in my book.
mine either!!!!!

ok- off to write a quick morgantown review...

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> especially since npr is one of the biggest opponents
> of the low power fm radio movement!!!! i have
>listened to npr for years, and find their
> coverage of the news and so much more, intelligent
> and enlightening. i'm still struggling w/how to
>reconcile continuing to listen to it while
> supporting amy's noble cause!!!!


can you really blame npr for opposing low-powered
radio stations?  i mean obviously they'd be against
them because this would mean that they'd have a lot
more competition and probably lose supporters and
advertisers.  i'm personally very in support of
low-powered stations, but if i was the president or
some other employee of npr, i'm sure i'd have a very
different view.  they want to make money and keep
their jobs too.  so, even though i disagree with their
opinion, i see how npr would be opposed to the gov't
allowing low-powered stations and i don't hold it
against them.  now, anyone who doesn't work in the
radio business has no excuse....hehe :-)

sharon

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mr. steinberg,

since you responded so nicely and intelligently to my original message (and
since i've been gone all weekend), i would like to clarify a few things.
have you ever heard of a joke, or things said in tongue and cheek?  i was
making a light-hearted joke about bush's two loves: the death penalty and
homophobia.  it was not paranoia, it was a joke.  pure and simple.  ha ha.
wasn't aware that i was writing a serious political statement there.  and as
far as the bush's choice of vp's, you might use the fact that he has a gay
daughter as proof that he cares about us.  i say that anyone who loves their
gay daughter could never (and i do repeat never) be a part of a party that
so openly supports discrimination against gay and lesbians.  i want actions,
mr. steinberg, and cheney has shown me none of that.  only words, and that
and a bag of shit only leaves you with a bag of shit.

secondly, maybe we should be paranoid.  aids wiped out almost half of the us
gay male population before the republican white house at the time even
mentioned the word.  maybe we should be paranoid when there are hate crimes
happening against gay and lesbians at an alarming rate and no one but the
gay press is reporting on them.  maybe we should be paranoid when there is
no national protection of discrimination against gay and lesbians.  maybe if
the jews and the anti-nazi german people had been a bit more paranoid, the
holocaust might just never have happened.

now saying that, let's fight to make sure that tomorrow is a better place.

scott


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sent: monday, october 23, 2000 9:19 am
subject: re: ot nader vs gore


> see that's a valid complaint against a candiate.  fear tactics that
> bush will work to electrocute all lesbians and gays is not a valid
> complaint, unless you have real evidence.
>
> on mon, 23 oct 2000, kristen curry wrote:
>
> > bush, the presidential candidate, opposes the employment
non-discrimination act
> > and civil marriage for lesbian and gay couples.
> >
> > you're right. let's not muddy the waters with nonsense. bush actively
opposes
> > civil rights for gays and lesbians.
> >
> > kc
> >
> > david steinberg wrote:
> >
> > > it's this kind of paranoia that gives votng for the lesser evil a bad
> > > name.  bush is not going to institute the death penalty for
> > > homosexuals.  his running mate doesn't want his daughter
> > > killed.  recall that in the veep debates dick cheny came out in favor
> > > of allowing same sex marriages.
> >
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date:         tue, 24 oct 2000 00:56:07 -0500
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hey guys,

did everyone who's asking for people to stop discussing politics forget that
the indigo girls are a very political and outspoken band?  and i think they
want their fans to be the same.  one of their main foundations is fighting
for other people's rights, and if discussing politics and the nasty opinions
that go with them, if discussing anything other than how much we love their
songs and how much we love them is taboo, what the hell are we doing
listening to an activist group anyway?  don't you see, some of us are fans
of the girls because of how much they make us think about the situations
that surround us and how much they make us want to change them.  and
politics is one of the ways that we do that.

i mean, we might disagree, but that's the beauty of it.  and i think the
nader threads have all been clearly marked and easily deleted if that's not
your cup of tea.

take care, mi amigos,

s.

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date:         tue, 24 oct 2000 01:08:02 -0500
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god, "devotion" to me is like the most profound thing (okay maybe that was
ozilline) that has come out of amy's mouth.  it's so full of spiritualism,
almost tibetan buddhism.

i used to be so obsessed with emily's stuff that i really just ignored amy's
stuff.  but amy lately has impressed me to the core.  i believe that she is
at the top of her game now.  i also believe that there is better stuff to
come.  her songs hint at things that a lot of living brings you to.  and the
"one day moves into two, i'm losing everything except for you" might not
read nicely, but when you get the voices behind it and the melody, it
suggests a slipping that goes right with the song and the mood.  everything
slips, everything dies, and there's no need to be afraid of it, because you
can't control it.  amy speaks to that activist within me.  the activist that
gets stronger and stronger with everyday, perhaps because of her.  her songs
inspire me to make the world a better place, and sometimes emily's only mire
me in thinking about everything.  they take two different approaches to
songwriting.  the key is appreciating them both.  the yin and the yang.

oh hell, i don't know what i'm trying to say.   i'm just saying that
"devotion" touches me so deeply that it makes me want to cry sometimes and i
get defensive when people talk about it...:)

take care, mi amigos,

s.

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received this from daemon underground & planet dug...

notes from the underground
******************************************************************************

*****

ok, we know what you're thinking:

"didn't i just get my dug newsletter?"
"can i be so lucky as for them to have more news to share???"

yep.

you're not dreaming (so you can stop pinching whatever that is).
this is the second newsletter from dug this month,  & we did just
send a newsletter out & yeah, we tried to put everything in it, & we
think we did damn good too~~  but some things just deserve their own
little twirl in the pie (<~~~ mixed metaphor alert.  obviously culled
from bush's speech-ups) & we felt the georgia clean energy/clean air
festival sponsored by earth challenge deserved a newsletter devoted
to letting you know who and when and where and why~~
so, we're going to do everything except lead you to the port-o-potties.
you're on your own there.

******the who and the when******* (this was just updated)
10:30 am t.h.e. percussion choir and the emerson drummers
11:05 am introduction of earth challenge riders

11:15 am tom nielson
11:30 am a few degrees
12:00 pm noon speaker - steve smith, southern alliance for clean energy

12:15 pm special guests!
12:45 pm speaker - nan orrock, georgia house of representatives
12:55 pm jennifer nettles band
01:35 pm speaker - mary olson, nuclear information resource service
01:55 pm speech
02:50 pm speaker - margene bullcreek, honor the earth
03:10 pm michelle malone stars
04:00 pm speaker - mildred mcclain, citizens for environmental justice
04:20 pm kevn kinney of drivin n cryin
05:15 pm speaker - special guest!
05:35 pm - dark  indigo girls

*****the ca$h*****
free!  yes, free!!! as in zilch! zip! zero! nada!

*****the ever-so-important where*****
centennial olympic park
techwood drive & international blvd
********************************
dug did a search for you guys, & found the following tidbit on line:
"centennial olympic park is nominated as one of the best places to hear
free music for it's attractive surroundings & occasional big names acts."
you can get there by marta, but if you're planning on taking your car,
a good place to park is the lot on the corner of techwood & international.

   need s'more info, like restraunts/bars/a map,etc?
   here ya go:  http://atlanta.citysearch.com/e/v/atlga/0010/70/03/cs1.html


******and now, the climactic why*****

this solar-powered festival brings the community together to
address georgia's serious and growing air quality problem.

the festival will follow earth challenge's signature event-
shifting gears: ride for environmental action. this year's
shifting gears ride was a 1500-mile bicycle ride from norwich,
ct to atlanta, ga to raise awareness about the need for, and
viability of,  sustainable energy sources.

the festival will promote sustainable energy sources and their
positive impact on both environmental and individual health. the
event will serve as a "call to action" for the community, aiming
to empower individuals to contribute to cleaner air and better
health through their action and involvement. their action and
involvement.

******earth challenge*****
earth challenge mission

earth challenge is a not-for-profit organization created to inspire
people to become active in improving environmental health through
individual and community empowerment.

through endurance events, such as long-distance bike rides, earth challenge
generates financial support, raises awareness, and inspires people to serve
communities working to protect the environment.

please join earth challenge at the first georgia clean energy,
clean air festival featuring free performances by indigo girls,
michelle malone, speech, kevn kinney, and the jennifer nettles band.
http://www.earthchallenge.org/index.htm

*****ps*****
stop by the clif bar/luna bar booth & say you "dig" dug & one of the
awesome & totally cool dug people will give you a free daemon sticker.

*****bullshit disclaimer chingaderra******

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awake for about 36 hours & really, it will make perfect sense.  honest.)
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date:         tue, 24 oct 2000 04:48:39 -0400
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>from: lisalisaa@aol.com <lisalisaa@aol.com>
>
>1)is point hope the bootleg formerly known as lil darlin? if it is, did amy
>write this or is it a cover? where is it from? if this is lil darlin and amy
>wrote this, my god, it is an amazing song, better than what i most recently
>declared the best amy song ever, ozilline. (previously, it was land of
>cannan, which is a great song about a long distance relationship.) she really
>has developed her outward writer's eye if she wrote this. come on now social
>had a lot of that --where she wasnt writing about her like in faye tucker and
>ozilline -- but this song is a masterpiece.


  i agree completely.  in fact, as much as i admire amy, i wasn't completely
convinced that she wrote this.  it's a breakthrough to a new level of writing
for her, i think.  the reason i thought it might be a cover wasn't the subject
matter -- she's written about heavy social/political topics before -- but that
the style is a departure for her.  there's no chorus.  i can't think of another
amy song where that's true.  (the only emily song with no chorus i can think of
is "leeds".  i chalked that up to the fact that she wrote that on piano and it
wound up in a different style.)  plus, "point hope" is much more narrative than
the rest of amy's songs.  she usually writes with lots of poetic images and
short phrases, but this is one long conversational monologue.

  the one thing that did suggest to me that amy wrote is what i consider to be a
"mistake": a man would not refer to a young boy as "little darlin'".  both men
and women might refer to a young girl as "little darlin'" and a woman might
refer to a young boy as "little darlin'", but men do not call boys "darlin'".
that's what suggested to me that this song was written by a woman remembering
adults refer to her as "little darlin'" as a child (but not knowing first-hand
that wouldn't sound right to a boy).  (yes, i'm assuming the singer is male ['me
and your daddy/we had a job under the ground minin' uranium'] and that 'little
darlin'' is male ['you ain't gotta be no minin' _man_].)
  try not to overreact to my "sexist" assumptions here.  i was looking for clues
to "prove" whether amy wrote this or whether it was a cover and this point
occurred to me.  it's a great song and i still think she's as great as i ever
did.

ron
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date:         tue, 24 oct 2000 05:14:33 edt
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ya knoooooow, i am so sick of hearing politics right now i could *expletive*.
i think we should pour green slime over and feather the next person who
mentions the p-word, the g-word, the b-word and the n-word.
pardon me for being a rearend's orifice but if you want to talk *you know
what* then take it to another forum. we should be talking about ig things
like when or are they going to make a songbook for ......jaysus, i'm so
ticked i can't even remember the name of the last album *sighs*...and things
like "i think they're going to retire, let's deal with this by rehashing the
"favorites" topics....mmkay?
and if you wanna razz me, do it privately, my emails up top.
peace everybody, i'm going to bed...
me

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date:         tue, 24 oct 2000 07:19:00 -0500
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>but men do not call boys "darlin'".

scott<----looks in underwear and looks up all sad like and says, "but i call
william, the sexiest darn thing i've ever come across, darlin'."

hehehe, just kidding ron...had to rag you a little, didn't i?  :)

take care, mi amigos,

s.

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date:         tue, 24 oct 2000 07:23:17 -0500
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dam--dang, dang, dang...(trying to clean up my language...:)

i sent that last one without even making my point.  pt. hope to me sounds
very bruce springsteen influenced.  but she did write it...see snippet below
from the hte website:

"pt. hope f.o.i.a." -- by amy ray, indigo girls
i wrote pt.hope over the last few years as i was thinking about the victims
of the nuclear industry cycle. on our 1995 honor tour we visited alaska and
supported an effort to bring more light to the situation at a place called
pt. hope.

take care, ron, and seriously i was just kidding about that last
email...seriously...ron, what are you doing with that shotgun...oh no...now,
put that club down...arrrrrrggggggghhhhhh!  hehehehe.

take care, mi amigos,

s.

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date:         tue, 24 oct 2000 08:27:43 -0400
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chee wrote:

> 3.  concerning "devotion"  i loved dr. ruth's take on the two new
> songs....not the dr. ruth; our own dr. ruth here on the list...
> especially "devotion."  i love this song.  and i don't know if anyone has
> said this yet on the list, but i have noticed that amy's songs are more
> about nature lately...not generally about nature...but specifically.
> also, this may be a really stupid question, but who is devotion about.
> who's "you"?

ahem.

i have been known to do violence to people who call me dr. ruth <grins,
showing teeth>.  and not the good kind.

back to "devotion" -- i think amy's been writing nature songs for eons.  but
when she writes in appalachian style, it's more pronounced.

this isn't my favorite amy song, and it's not the best song she's ever
written (actually, i think "shame on you" may hold that place), but it's a
good one.

ruth

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date:         tue, 24 oct 2000 09:42:08 edt
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      the people out there who are urging all of us to vote nader at any cost
may be singing a different tune once bush gets in there and appoints three or
four antonin scalia "clones" to the supreme court...  those guys can stay as
long as they want, and often have a very lasting effect on the social
landscape of this country.  if so many supreme court seats weren't probably
hanging in the balance in the next four years, i would definitely vote for
nader. but this one's just too scary to lose to the republicans, and being
from an important state like ohio, i feel compelled to vote for gore.  he's
not all that bad.  bush is a nightmare...  and an idiot.  nader is great, but
has absolutely no chance of winning.

     so if you live in a state where the electoral votes are pretty much set
in stone, (that is, your state will either _definitely_ be going bush, or
_definitely_ be going gore, and your vote will not matter either way), then,
heck yeah, go vote for nader!  give green the federal funding it deserves for
the next election.  but _please_, if you lean towards the left at all, and
you live in a crucial state, think twice about indirectly voting in dubya
just so you can make a political statement.  they're pretty much in a dead
heat right now...  gore needs those swing votes, or we'll be headed back to
the dark ages fast.

just my $.02,
lisa

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date:         tue, 24 oct 2000 09:55:40 -0400
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on tue, 24 oct 2000, w. scott whitlock wrote:
> did everyone who's asking for people to stop discussing politics forget that
> the indigo girls are a very political and outspoken band?  and i think they
> want their fans to be the same.

        true enough. they also make it a point not to seriously talk
politics except during hte shows, when everybody in the audience knows
what they've come for. usually, they just set out a resource table for
interested fans to find on their own. i think the equivalent gesture has
already been made here.
        folks, none of us are up on stage talking to an audience that has
willingly paid $30 to listen to us. we haven't joined a political list.
we're here to talk about the music of the indigo girls. if you want to
talk about ralph nader, that's fine. go join a ralph nader list. better
yet, join a george w bush list. don't talk about it here.
        mandy


                so go ahead, push your luck
                say what it is you gotta say to me
                we will push on into this mystery
                and it'll push right back
                and there are worse things than that...
                                  *dar williams*

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sorry for posting about politics when everyone wants the discussion taken off
the list.  i hadn't read  my mail in about a week, and responded before i got
as far as the "no more politics" posts.

:) lisa

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hi everyone>  just my thoughts
leaving has some positive attributes and a possibiliy to grow on me, but
devotion just doesnt do it.  i like amys rockin songs or her down deep
gwag type songs...my $.02

toye

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yes im behind...where can i hear pt hope?

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i agree with mandy.


there are plenty of list for dull, dull, dull, dull, political talk.

you have eachothers emial adresses......

sometimes it seemes that we loose site to the fact this an indigo girls
mailing list.

i don't want to talk politics. i want to talk lyrics, meanings of songs and
great memories associated with better music.

when someone asks for a post that is nigc, that person is right.

when someone wants to post globaly a post fighiting that point you are
wasting everyones time.

it is very selfish. it is purely ego driven, and it's weak.

stop.


joe
brooklyn,ny

oh yeah, now the responces to this post are about to come, which only
compounds the stupidiy.


don't post your nigc post
about my nigc post
re: the nader nigc thread!!!!

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hey!

"peg said to you".....so you were there, hmm?  i spent my night craning my
neck to look for all of you, but never saw anybody.  i was on the floor in
front of amy (surprise) two people from the barrier.  great show.  emily
really looked tired and, initially *very* crabby, though.  any talk about
this on the big list?  i feel very disconnected since my subscription's on
hold this quarter.  missed seeing everyone!

lisa

at 11:28 pm 10/23/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>peg said to me after the show:
>(this is not exact, but you'll get the idea)
>"you can't get any closer to perfection than amy, emily, and michelle's
>harmonies on wild horses!"  amen sister!!
>
>and, i'd like to ad that i think michelle really wraps her voice
>all up in that song... the crowd just ate that up!
>
>later,
>twink!
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please take the two seconds to click on this link to maybe help all the
people in families like my own who know all too well how terrible this
disease can be.

http://www.nfl.com/nflforher/index.html

last sunday during the football games, the nfl aired a commercial that they
were joining the fight against breast cancer.  i logged onto the website
(nfl.com) to get the scoop, so here goes:  on tuesday, october 24, the nfl's
breast cancer awareness day, they (the nfl) will donate $5 for every person
that logs onto nfl.com and then clicks on "nfl for her".  they will donate
up to $50,000 to the susan g komen breast cancer foundation.

please forward this to people you believe will take a quick minute to make a
difference.

thanks.

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could you please post the lyrics to go?

thanks.
kc

sprdinosur@aol.com wrote:

> tammy,
>
> if i'm in a car with someone and they are sitting at a light,
>
> when it turns green i sing it! "go, go, go"
>
> they always know it's comming too. i love it!
>
> joe
> brooklyn,ny
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in a message dated 10/23/00 7:08:32 pm eastern daylight time,
strosenblum@students.wisc.edu writes:

<< many who is my indigo fairy god sister wrote:

>>exhibit b:
                 but did you ever wonder through and through     (11)
                 who's that person standing next to you          (12)


that line is written to the person in the pictures she is sending back home.

here's a postcard, there's a call
there's a picture for your bedroom wall

in those lines, emily is sending a postcard, making a phone call and sending
a picture for the receipent to put on the bedroom wall

but did you ever wonder through and through
who's that person standing next to you

that's emily appoligizing and feeling guilty for being away so much


joe
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could you please post the lyrics to go?

http://www.lifeblood.net/lyrics/athruz/go.html

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lemme see... i think that last album was called "come on now social"
which amy had explained as some kind of call to activism and not to be
complacent or compliant.

sigh.
kc

earthgrrl0@aol.com wrote:

> ya knoooooow, i am so sick of hearing politics right now i could *expletive*.
> i think we should pour green slime over and feather the next person who
> mentions the p-word, the g-word, the b-word and the n-word.
> pardon me for being a rearend's orifice but if you want to talk *you know
> what* then take it to another forum. we should be talking about ig things
> like when or are they going to make a songbook for ......jaysus, i'm so
> ticked i can't even remember the name of the last album *sighs*

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posting the lyrics to go would violate the political content ban...
and certainly exhibiting the spirit of that song would.

yours in beleagured apathy,
kc


"neil :o)" wrote:

> could you please post the lyrics to go?
>
> http://www.lifeblood.net/lyrics/athruz/go.html

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--- kristen curry <kristen.curry@oracle.com> wrote:
> lemme see... i think that last album was called
> "come on now social"
> which amy had explained as some kind of call to
> activism and not to be
> complacent or compliant.

it's also a line from the poem "boys just laugh,"
which is also on lifeblood.

joanne

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"posting the lyrics to go would violate the political
content ban...
and certainly exhibiting the spirit of that song
would."

whinewhinewhinewhinewhine.

there is no 'political content ban'.

as per the list faq the current discussion has more
than run its course and we have been requested to take
it to private email
(or the nigc list, which i think is at
http://www.egroups.com/group/indigo_girls)

if you don't like it, keep on talking, but you'll only
look like a jerk and piss a whole lot of people off.
gee, i hope it's not too late.

if you want more indigo girls-related political
discussion, say something that hasn't already been
said five times in the past week.

twm is just itching to give out a few wedgies to
people who deserve it.


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you know, even i have had enough of this dead horse being beaten. need i
remind ppl that there is another forum to take this to should you feel to
whack the horse yet again. can someone post the instructions for the
horse-beaters to join the indigo_girls list where it is more "anything
goes"?

ryan

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in the sky and i thought to myself,  "where the heck is the ceiling?!"


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> lemme see... i think that last album was called "come on now social"
> which amy had explained as some kind of call to activism and not to be
> complacent or compliant.

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> but did you ever wonder through and through
> who's that person standing next to you
>
> that's emily appoligizing and feeling guilty for being away so much

see, now i think the picture is a pic of the both of them and she is
worrying that her lover will feel so alone with her being gone so much, that
they haven't had much of a chance to cement their relationship cuz she's
taking off for the road so often and a picture may be worth 1000 words but
it just isn't enough in this instance.

ryan

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i wonder sometimes, with the ig going on hiatus, and not comig together
as ig, hmmm
what will there be to discuss? how did this list get throug the last
hiatus? anyone?

curious,
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barbara bordner wrote:
>
> i wonder sometimes, with the ig going on hiatus, and not comig together
> as ig, hmmm
> what will there be to discuss? how did this list get throug the last
> hiatus? anyone?

i honestly don't remember!  the list does get very slow around finals
and x-mas time because a lot of the students who make up this list are
busy or have gone away to a place for vaca. and don't have computer
access.  i don't know if this will coincide with the ig hiatus or not.
i say whoever wants to post during this slow time, then post.  of course
if you do you'll probably piss someone off who'll say "take it to the
other list" or "this is just an ig list" or some variation thereof, but
maybe not.  maybe everyone will welcome a bit of off topic stuff during
slow times.

elaine

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in a message dated 10/24/2000 12:31:45 pm eastern daylight time,
ritesofpassage9@webtv.net writes:

<< i wonder sometimes, with the ig going on hiatus, and not comig together
as ig, hmmm
what will there be to discuss? how did this list get throug the last
hiatus? anyone? >>

there will be heaps to discuss.  amy is most likely releasing a solo album.
according to sulli, she also *may* be joining the butchies on tour.  they
will be in the studio working on an epic release.  i am sure they'll also
play a few benefit shows.

sure, the post volume may be a little less until next year, but this list
will survive.  i have been on it for about 5 years now, and trust me, there
never is a dull moment.  :-)

(and sometimes the lighter volume is really nice!)

:-) karen

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ut oh!

an nigc thread .....

but i love npr!!!!

i am a huge fan of parie home companion, and wha'd da ya know?, and bach
lunch and car talk and the music!

love it!

joe
brooklyn,ny

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when ig dont tour we have lots of discussions about our interpretation
of lyrics, talk about what ig did before, jobs and such, and we get
really bored we talk about their hair, clothes, tatoos, and even weirder
(is that a word) stuff.  ne 1 remember black beans and rice spice and
strawberry spice hee hee?  my favorites are the deep threads aboutthe
lyrics.

toye

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toye wrote:

<< ne 1 remember black beans and rice spice and
strawberry spice hee hee? >>

hehe.  yes!

i too love the discussions of the lyrics and how everyone interperates them
differently.

i also think that during less volume times, off topic posts are tolerated a
bit more... (but not to the point where this list becomes something other
than the ig list).

:-) karen

http://www.geocities.com/karen_rosenblum

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date:         tue, 24 oct 2000 11:28:40 -0600
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hi everyone,
my apologies if this is late.  we've had not phone line for the lat 18
hours so i wasn't able to respond to this thread until now.

i work at an npr member station in southern new mexico.  we serve mainly
the southern part of the state with translators in 5 rural communities.
although i cannot speak for npr or other member stations across the
country, i can speak for our station in las cruces.  the information we
have received from npr is that the concern surrounding lpfm is signal
interference from these stations, not the existence of these stations.
our station, krwg -fm, has been on the air for 35 years and like most
public radio stations, has served in one capacity or another as a
grassroots station, informing and reporting to our listeners about
concerns or issues in the area without taking sides.  the challenge we
have is to make our best attempt to find those issues and present them in
an unbiased manner.  that is what npr and public radio is known for all
across the country.  our station, like most, is not in favor of
prohibiting lpfm, because really, that's how we started.  the concern is
making sure that their signal doesn't bleed into other stations' signals.
we've had this happen twice within the last year by local stations who are
not monitoring their signal strength or over modulation.  over the years,
the fcc has become laxed in their monitoring of this situation and the
forethought by radio stations and npr is that this could be a very messy
situation in the next few years.  the problem that is presented by npr and
the corporation for public broadcasting is the concern that if the fcc
grants these licenses, and they have, that the lpfm stations fall under
the same regulations as other radio stations and not be excluded just
because they are low power.  i personally am in favor of lpfm, but like
someone mentioned in this thread, i am concerned about how my occupation
will be affected by this change.  my radio station has to follow strict
guidlines regarding our output and signal strength and have successfully
passed any fcc inspection because of these regs. unfortunately, over the
years, we have used up most of the space on the specturm for radio signals
with stations popping up everywhere.  now, the fcc and stations all across
the country are going to have to learn to play nicely together in tighter
spaces.

i'm sorry if i went on a rant about this and it came across as boring.
i've seen the discussion develop on this list over the past year or two
and truly understand the concern and the advocacy for lpfm.  but, my
attempt today was to just let you know a bit of the other side of the
story.

hope you ya'll have a good day.

carrie hamblen
local host for morning edition and images
krwg fm
las cruces, nm
www.krwgfm.org
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please go to http://health.yahoo.com/ and click on the pink ribbon.
yahoo! is kindly donating $1 to the susan g. komen foundation for every
click. that's all you have to do!

jude :)

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sorry if y'all have seen this already.  i got this
email from the earth challenge people and thought i'd
forward it to the list.
sharon

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hello friends!  please forward this announcement far and wide (especially
to your friends in the southeast!)

as a follow up to the recent earth challenge bike ride for environmental
action from ct to ga, we have organized the georgia clean energy, clean
air festival!  this free, solar-powered community event will take place
this saturday, october 28 in centennial olympic park, in the heart of
downtown atlanta!
****the festival features the indigo girls, speech of arrested
development, michelle malone, kevn kinney of drivin and cryin, and other
georgia-based musicians.
****several national and local environmental leaders will speak, and over
30 conservation organizations from around the southeast will provide
information and opportunities for future involvement at booths in our
education area!

the festival will focus attention on the atlanta area's serious and
growing air-quality problems, caused in large part by the use of
unsustainable energy sources such as coal-fired power plants.  the event
will serve as a "call to action" and will provide information and
inspiration for people to understand their power and responsibility as
consumers in contributing towards the goal of cleaner air and sustainable
energy both in georgia and throughout the nation.

gates open at 10:30 am with speakers and performances until dark.  the
schedule is listed at the end of this message.

festival-goers are encouraged to arrive by means other than automobile if
possible.  bike, walk or take marta to minimize the air pollution impact
of the festival.  to this end, the atlanta bicycle campaign will lead a
fun ride to the festival.  for ride departure times and locations, please
visit www.earthchallenge.org!

****admission is free, but we would greatly appreciate donations if you
would like to support the work of earth challenge (see
www.earthchallenge.org).  your support would contribute greatly to the
success of this community event.  please send your tax deductible
contribution to this address:

earth challenge
2121 durham road
madison, ct  06443

thank you and we hope to see you on saturday!

here is the schedule of events:
***************************************
schedule as of 10/24...subject to change without notice...check
www.earthchallenge.org for any updates!

georgia clean energy, clean air festival
october 28, 2000

10:30   t.h.e. percussion choir and the emerson drummers

11:05   introduction of earth challenge riders

11:15   tom neilson

11:30   a few degrees

12:00   speaker - steve smith, southern alliance for clean energy

12:15   special guests!

12:45   speaker - nan orrock, georgia house of representativess

12:55   jennifer nettles band

1:35    speaker - mary olson, nuclear information resource service

1:55    speech

2:50    speaker - margene bullcreek, honor the earth

3:10    michelle malone stars

4:00    speaker - mildred mcclain, citizens for environmental justice

4:20    kevn kinney of drivin n cryin

5:15    speaker - special guest!

5:35    indigo girls

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let me take this op to take up even *more* unnecessary bandwidth and
apologize for my redundant plea that you contact yahoo about the breast
cancer donation.  but, i'm glad i did : )  it is beginning to show up in the
extended family and there may not be too much more time.

jude

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so, it's almost a week late.  sorry.  i hope you can enjoy it anyway!!

setlist:
redemption song
jonas & ezekial
get out the map
go
everything in its own time
gone again
power of two
devotion
philosophy of loss
johnny rotten
on your honor (new amy)
closer to fine
chickenman
galileo
rock me on the water (with everyone)

we had the great pleasure of attending this concert with jane, a friend who
was visiting from iowa.  it gave us a whole new perspective on the
experience.  i'm glad she came.

we didn't have much time to browse the merchandise or tables since by the
time we had gotten everything we wanted from the car, it was time for the
show to start.  it started promptly.

amy and emily came out to introduce the show and we heard from a member of
the red cliff reservation.  he is a college professor and gave a very
engaging talk.

next up was annie humphrey.  she was incredible.  mesmerizing.  i especially
enjoyed her song "500 years".  it's a telling of how native americans have
been mistreated throughout the years.  the verses were amazing, grouping
like things together.  you have to hear it to appreciate it.  it is possible
to buy her cd online.  after she was finished, amy, emily and jackson browne
came out with a cake.  it was annie's birthday!  we all sang to her and she
blew out the candles.  very cute.

jackson browne played next.  i thought i'd like him because i have a vague
knowledge of his songs and like them.  i wasn't prepared to like him as much
as i did.  he is a truly amazing guitarist.  i guess i've never really heard
him acoustic before.  i came away with a new appreciation.  he's also a
great storyteller.  funniest was the story he told before playing "take it
easy", which he co-wrote with glenn frey.  for those of you who aren't
familiar with the song there's a line that goes, "standin' on the corner in
winslow arizona.."  the highway that used to go through winslow now goes
around it, taking away a lot of business.  the people of the town got this
brilliant idea to put a statue standing on the corner in tribute to the
song.  they hope that people will come in to see it and then buy something.
after the show in windowrock, the bus drove into winslow to see the statue.
it was dark but they took pictures anyway.  it embarrassed him.

after jackson, amy and emily came out and played bob marley's "redemption
song".  i've heard it on boots, but never in person.  it was sort of a
surreal experience.  amy was playing guitar and emily was playing keyboard.
sometimes it was hard to remember emily was there because i'm so used to her
being right next to amy.  the song was gorgeous.

after the song, we saw a short video which others have talked about, so i
won't elaborate.  then we heard from a man who is from the menomonie
reservation.  he was an impassioned speaker.  after that was another
menomonie, a woman, with her young niece.  i felt sorry for the woman.  she
was obviously very nervous.  she kept pulling her niece close to her for
support and stroked her hair.  last was winona laduke.  i was surprised by
what a great speaker she was.  the last time i heard her speak was during
the broadcast of an earth day festival and she really turned me off.  the
whole experience was so educational.  we learned about the crandon mine and
high-voltage power lines proposed to run between wausau and rhinelander.

the girls were up next.  i was so happy to hear them open with jonas &
ezekial.  i love that song!  eiiot was a nice surprise as well.  the
audience was very quiet at first.  then emily asked for some participation
before "power of two" and that got things rolling.  they did emily's
(philosophy) and amy's (johnny rotten) choices.  when emily came out after
"johnny rotten" they had a small conference and she left again.  then amy
explained that she had a brand new song that she just felt like doing.  by
way of introduction, she told us the story of ingrid w. (which was basically
in the newspaper article i posted yesterday).  then she played a song i had
never heard before.  not on a boot or anything.  i felt very privileged and
for an instant wished i had booted the show myself.  i laughed that off
pretty quick!

after "closer to fine" amy said they would be coming up and down the aisles
collected the postcards they'd handed out before the show.  this produced a
flurry of people making sure they had the cards and the pens to fill them
out.  while the girls did "chickenman" and "galileo", we filled out cards.
then they did come up and down the aisles.  i handed mine to carol isaacs.
emily came up our aisle later.  amy must have been on the other side.  i
didn't really see her.

the last song of the night was "rock me on the water" (jackson browne) with
everyone.  i thought it was great that they did it since i have early boots
of the girls covering that song.  it was fun.  amy said that they would be
at a hearing the next day about the crandon mine.

this is where jane comes in.  without her we would have headed out to the
car and gone home.  it was late and we had a two-hour drive home.  however,
jane asked if we would mind waiting by the bus.  it's not something either
of us would have done on our own.  on the way out to the bus, jane showed us
that she had gotten the setlist and a daily itinerary.  she said she asked
one of the student staff if the paper next to her was a setlist.  the girl
said no, it wasn't.  so jane asked if she could see it.  then the girl got
really snotty and said, "it's garbage but take it if you're that desperate!"
then we went to the bus.  by the time we got there, emily had already gotten
on the bus.  jackson came out soon after.  he was a very nice man.  he took
the time to talk to his fans, sign autographs and hug them.  we waited some
more.  some friends of ours said they had been there when emily got on the
bus and they hadn't seen amy.  then word came that amy was in the locker
room playing her guitar by herself.  we waited some more.  finally, amy came
out, guitar slung over her shoulder.  she was very gracious.  she signed
autographs and answered questions.  as a result of questions asked by jane
and me, we found out the name of the new song is "on your honor".  there
were only ten of us at the most, so she didn't have to stand outside long.

all in all, i had a great time.

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date:         tue, 24 oct 2000 14:52:08 edt
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from http://www.sfbg.com/media/rowse.html
(the indigo girls are mentioned in this article in it's full form at the
above address.  i didn't copy it all due to length.)

why has such a modest initiative drawn such strong opposition? is technical
interference really the problem? the federal agency conducted a series of
earlier tests that it claims showed no problem if the small new stations were
located two places on the dial away from existing ones. in response to
continuing objections, the fcc added another barrier (third adjacent channel)
to make certain that current stations will not have interference. still the
nab complained. dennis wharton, senior vice president for corporate
communication, told me that its own tests "documented" a serious technical
problem.

the fcc's kennard discounts such talk. "what this is about," he says, "is
fear of new entrants in the market. it is no different from the battles [by
broadcasters] to kill low power tv, cable tv, satellite radio and satellite
television." michael bracy, director of the low power radio coalition in
washington, d.c., agrees. he says the claim of interference is specious, that
nab and npr are "merely protecting their turf."

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ok, ok.  this is the last nigc post you'll hear from me for a long time.  at
least for a few days, anyway.  i haven't had a chance to keep up with list
email, and now that i have a couple of free hours, i can't resist responding.

for more info on the supposed worries about interference from low power radio
stations go here.
http://www.prometheus.tao.ca/artnoise.html

and remember, just because someone can afford a powerful lobby group, it
doesn't make them right.

-mel w

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hey all - just a thought - when you post about hating-the-politcal-posts,
your are just joining in on the political posts - if you really hate them -
don't open them - delete.
yt
tammy

p.s. lyrics to go *grin*

go lyrics

through the dust bowl
through the debt
grandma was a suffragette
blacklisted for her publication
blacklisted for my generation
go go go

raise your hands
raise your hands high
don't take a seat
don't stand aside
this time
don't assume anything
just go go go

feed the fire
and fan the flame
i know you kids can stand the rain
i know the kids are still upsetters
'cause rock is cool but the struggle is better
go go go

and raise your hands
raise your hands high
don't take a seat
don't stand aside
this time
don't assume anything
i said this time
now don't assume anything
just go

the truth is i was afraid
i felt inferior
i felt i excelled in competing with others and i knew instantly that these
people were not competing at all, that they were acting in a strange,
powerful trance of movement together
and i was filled with longing to act with them and with the fear that i
could not

did they tell you it was set it stone
that you'd end up alone
use your years to psyche you out
you're too old to care
you're too young to count

did they tell you, you would come undone
when you try to touch the sun
undermine the underground
you're too old to care
you're too young to count

i said go go go

i said this time
don't assume anything
just go go go
go go go
go go go

words and music amy ray


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sorry for more nigc, but this relates i promise!!!! oooh and i do want to
say that ig "speaks" politcially more than just at hte - how many of their
songs are political statements in themselves??????

anyhow - did anyone see john stossel on abc 20/20 the other night??? they
featured native americans protesting the columbus day parade in st. loius (i
think) for obvious reasons.
abc really made it out be that the native americans were trying to violate
the italians right to free speech b/c they didn't want them to say
"columbus". the whole point of the show was "give me a break".

it was really awful how abc portrayed this issue - nevermind that we have a
national holiday for columbus who endorsed mass-genocide of native peoples,
but now native americans are ridiculed for protesting parades in columbus'
honor!!!!

blacklisted for my nigcs,
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okay, so on the official bbs there was a discussion about favorite songs and
someone said that blood and fire was one of their favorites but they were
upset that it is never played anymore and they don't know why.  then someone
else responded and said that amy wrote that song when she and michelle
malone were together or breaking up or something.  and that she doesn't sing
it anymore because she and michelle have moved past that and she doesn't
have the emotion to put into that song anymore.  has anyone else ever heard
that before?

mi rinda

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date:         tue, 24 oct 2000 16:17:38 -0400
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i must agree.  from what my friends involved with low power radio say,
the fcc has actually agreed to allow some stations, but congress
immediately stepped in to say a big no (backed by the rich radio
stations, i would guess).  most of the people i know interested in low
power radio have no interest in taking over any markets, they just want a
voice, and to give a voice to those of us who have never been allowed one...


melijoy@aol.com wrote:
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> from http://www.sfbg.com/media/rowse.html
> (the indigo girls are mentioned in this article in it's full form at the
> above address.  i didn't copy it all due to length.)
>
> why has such a modest initiative drawn such strong opposition? is technical
> interference really the problem? the federal agency conducted a series of
> earlier tests that it claims showed no problem if the small new stations were
> located two places on the dial away from existing ones. in response to
> continuing objections, the fcc added another barrier (third adjacent channel)
> to make certain that current stations will not have interference. still the
> nab complained. dennis wharton, senior vice president for corporate
> communication, told me that its own tests "documented" a serious technical
> problem.
>
> the fcc's kennard discounts such talk. "what this is about," he says, "is
> fear of new entrants in the market. it is no different from the battles [by
> broadcasters] to kill low power tv, cable tv, satellite radio and satellite
> television." michael bracy, director of the low power radio coalition in
> washington, d.c., agrees. he says the claim of interference is specious, that
> nab and npr are "merely protecting their turf."
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hi there...

sorry for the nigc... but i'm getting a bit desperate.
i'm starting an indoor women's soccer team in northern virginia.
we'd be playing at the sportsplex in springfield, va on sundays.
we'll be playing against at least 4 other teams but may grow to be more
(hopefully).
it's 5 on 5 women's indoor soccer.... a some experience is good, but you
don't need to be an expert... this is mostly to have fun, get some exercise,
and meet new people...

if you are in the dc area (between the ages of 20 and 29) and are interested
in playing, please email me....
jackie@filipinos.com

thanks,
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the ig are taking a hiatus?

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i tried to get the show at hob today and can no tget the darn media player =
to work....anyone else succeed?
also got to see lifetime last night at 11 pm, girls with guitars....good =
show.....sparks

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three roaring huzzahs for amy swenson, who put such time and effort into
getting the list t-shirts together. i received mine today, and the design
looks *great*
thanks amy, you rock!!!

katherine

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i don't remember the source, but i too have heard that amy no longer performs
blood & fire because it was written at a time when she was feeling an emotion
that she no longer feels nor can faithfully represent. i had no idea,
however, that blood & fire concerned michelle. in fact, i had no idea that
amy and michelle had ever been together. whoa, am i out of the loop or what?

megan

in a message dated 10/24/2000 3:01:01 pm central daylight time,
mirinda.kovacs@westgroup.com writes:

<< then someone else responded and said that amy wrote that song when she and
michelle malone were together or breaking up or something.  and that she
doesn't sing it anymore because she and michelle have moved past that and she
doesn't have the emotion to put into that song anymore.  has anyone else ever
heard that before? >>

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in a message dated 10/24/00 12:42:51 pm eastern daylight time,
indigokare@aol.com writes:

<< sure, the post volume may be a little less until next year, but this list
will survive.  i have been on it for about 5 years now, and trust me, there
never is a dull moment.  :-)

(and sometimes the lighter volume is really nice!)

:-) karen >>

amen sister,  i love my igs but sometimes the lighter volume is nice esp when
there isnt much going on.  there is nothing more inane though than the"why is
the list so quiet, is my email not working?" posts so remember folks if you
dont get gobs of post during the low periods don't freak out, it's ok, life
goes on and the list will be ok!   :)

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date:         tue, 24 oct 2000 22:05:46 -0400
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so here's a question.

where the original version of pete seeger's 'letter to eve' appear?? the
only recording i've been able to dig up is the indigo girls. but i know the
song was written in 1967.

anyone?

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just to let you all know inspite of a rather hectic day, i did finally
order the bumpers,
yes, i did, and they should be ready to send in about three weeks.

if you want to order, you may still do so.
i  put up  some of the money into it myself so i'll probably have a few
extras

peace,

barb

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can anyone get the hob broadcast to work?  i had it
working last night, but can't get it to work now, and
then entire show is supposed to be on right now.
anyone who can help, thanks!!

sharon

aol im name:  indigo5479

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when:  october 28, a little after the show.  probably around 6:45 or 7pm.
the sun went down tonight at around 6:50. (don't forget to take time to
get the contacts and info you want for various causes and social projects
before you leave)

where:  inside the park, at the reflecting pool which is in the middle of
the park.  also, we will meet at jocks and jills too.  the reflecting
pool is our primary.  jocks and jills is our secondary.

the cnn center is to the south of the park.  the ampitheater is at the
most south tip of the park.  think of the the park as an egg-shaped
place.  i think the omni hotel is to the west.  i have no idea where the
hampton inn is.

cathy spinale just got booted from the list.  i don't know who's going
and who's not.  if you get lost and can't find anyone, you can call me at
770-309-1974.

i'll be outta here tomorrow, so don't e-mail me.

chee hill
p.o. box 4223
canton, ga  30114
usa
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hi rob. what you say is interesting. i think the shift to the new narrative
level of writing is something amy is really working on. when i first heard
point hope (as the boot lil darlin) it reminded me very much of the
springsteen song "youngstown," a powerful ballad about a mining town. dont
get me wrong, i love both amy and emily's older stuff, but i think the
evolution is like a necessary step for them to continue to feel relevant and
remain interested. i really do hope these two keep making music for a long
time. i cant wait to see where they go next.

here's a snippet from an interview i did with amy last year for sonicnet. she
talks about the shift in writing approaches. i asked her the question
because i am the same age as them, and just as ive noticed my own journal
writing go from angsty personal subjects all the time to more observations of
other people and their situations, i thot i was starting to notice that in
their songwriting, especially on come on now social:

"although social continues a trend toward increasingly complex arrangements
that began with the indigo girls' fourth studio album, rites of passage
(1992), it sounds different from any of their previous albums.

it also marks an evolution in the songwriting of the duo.

much of the earlier, hallmark indigo fare was written when ray and saliers
were angst-ridden 20-somethings. social's more political, less insular
material was written by two women who seem acutely aware of the world around
them as they enter middle age.


ray's most poignant contribution, "ozilline" (realaudio excerpt), focuses on
her 94-year-old grandmother and the cycle of life and death.


"i am still really terrified about that death thing,'' ray said. "my
grandmother believes in life lessons. that subject is hard stuff for me â€" but
it's like i wanted to write about it, because i need to learn it. it's my
lesson.''


ray said she has worked hard to turn her writer's eye outward.


"it's been so important for me to move beyond introversion and melodrama,''
she said. "i don't want to write another song about unrequited love and frame
it like another love song. i want to use unique images and frame things using
the politics and everything else i see happening around me."

the shift is evident on several of social's cuts.


two of saliers' songs â€" the rocking "trouble" (realaudio excerpt) and the
unlisted track "philosophy of loss" â€" take on organized religion's stance on
gays and lesbians. her "cold beer and remote control" looks at the world from
the view of the working poor. ray's celtic-inflected roots track, "faye
tucker," explores the hypocrisy of the death penalty. the album opener, "go" (
realaudio excerpt), a call to political action marked by grinding guitars,
was a long-stalled song ray finished after three southern high schools
canceled free concerts the duo planned for students in 1998. one principal
was reacting to community protests over the indigo girls' homosexuality.

ron mcbay <usul@mindspring.com> wrote:
<<subject: re: point hope

>>  i agree completely.  in fact, as much as i admire amy, i wasn't completely
convinced that she wrote this.  it's a breakthrough to a new level of writing
for her, i think.  the reason i thought it might be a cover wasn't the subject
matter -- she's written about heavy social/political topics before -- but that
the style is a departure for her.  there's no chorus.  i can't think of
another
amy song where that's true.  (the only emily song with no chorus i can think
of
is "leeds".  i chalked that up to the fact that she wrote that on piano and it
wound up in a different style.)  plus, "point hope" is much more narrative
than
the rest of amy's songs.  she usually writes with lots of poetic images and
short phrases, but this is one long conversational monologue.>>

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well, if a little bit of wit pisses people off, oh wedge one, so be it.
kristen, i thought that was the funniest thing i've read in a long time.  i
do love a woman with a biting sense of criticism...;)

take care, mis amigos,

s.

ps: hey kristen, you gonna be in atlanta on saturday???  answer via private
email...wouldn't want to offend...


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> posting the lyrics to go would violate the political content ban...
> and certainly exhibiting the spirit of that song would.
>
> yours in beleagured apathy,
> kc
>
>
> "neil :o)" wrote:
>
> > could you please post the lyrics to go?
> >
> > http://www.lifeblood.net/lyrics/athruz/go.html
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date:         wed, 25 oct 2000 09:12:32 -0400
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yay, i'm back!

well this has been a lonely week and a half for me, i'll tell ya.  i'm
back on the list now.  my new
address is cspinale@pmn.com.  my temporary "booting" was an accident and
thanks to jen for
finding me and bringing me back.  i missed everybody so much.

so, as far as the listmeet goes, i have a total of 26 in the count.  if
you emailed me before and cannot make it please get back to me.  if you
tried to email me in the last week and a half to
be added to the count, i probably didn't get it, so please email me
again and let me know.  i will
be calling the manager at jocks and jills back at 11:00 to confirm, so
as soon as you can get
back to me that would be great.

bye for now.
cathy

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date:         wed, 25 oct 2000 09:22:15 -0400
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i haven't heard the song yet, but i'm so excited!  i know that amy really
admires bob dylan, and it sounds like he's influencing her music.

nancy

lisalisaa@aol.com wrote:
>
> hi rob. what you say is interesting. i think the shift to the new narrative
> level of writing is something amy is really working on. when i first heard
> point hope (as the boot lil darlin) it reminded me very much of the
> springsteen song "youngstown," a powerful ballad about a mining town. dont
> get me wrong, i love both amy and emily's older stuff, but i think the
> evolution is like a necessary step for them to continue to feel relevant and
> remain interested. i really do hope these two keep making music for a long
> time. i cant wait to see where they go next.
>
> here's a snippet from an interview i did with amy last year for sonicnet. she
>  talks about the shift in writing approaches. i asked her the question
> because i am the same age as them, and just as ive noticed my own journal
> writing go from angsty personal subjects all the time to more observations of
> other people and their situations, i thot i was starting to notice that in
> their songwriting, especially on come on now social:
>
> "although social continues a trend toward increasingly complex arrangements
> that began with the indigo girls' fourth studio album, rites of passage
> (1992), it sounds different from any of their previous albums.
>
> it also marks an evolution in the songwriting of the duo.
>
> much of the earlier, hallmark indigo fare was written when ray and saliers
> were angst-ridden 20-somethings. social's more political, less insular
> material was written by two women who seem acutely aware of the world around
> them as they enter middle age.
>
>
> ray's most poignant contribution, "ozilline" (realaudio excerpt), focuses on
> her 94-year-old grandmother and the cycle of life and death.
>
>
> "i am still really terrified about that death thing,'' ray said. "my
> grandmother believes in life lessons. that subject is hard stuff for me â€" but
> it's like i wanted to write about it, because i need to learn it. it's my
> lesson.''
>
>
> ray said she has worked hard to turn her writer's eye outward.
>
>
> "it's been so important for me to move beyond introversion and melodrama,''
> she said. "i don't want to write another song about unrequited love and frame
> it like another love song. i want to use unique images and frame things using
> the politics and everything else i see happening around me."
>
> the shift is evident on several of social's cuts.
>
>
> two of saliers' songs â€" the rocking "trouble" (realaudio excerpt) and the
> unlisted track "philosophy of loss" â€" take on organized religion's stance on
> gays and lesbians. her "cold beer and remote control" looks at the world from
> the view of the working poor. ray's celtic-inflected roots track, "faye
> tucker," explores the hypocrisy of the death penalty. the album opener, "go" (
> realaudio excerpt), a call to political action marked by grinding guitars,
> was a long-stalled song ray finished after three southern high schools
> canceled free concerts the duo planned for students in 1998. one principal
> was reacting to community protests over the indigo girls' homosexuality.
>
>
>
> ron mcbay <usul@mindspring.com> wrote:
> <<subject: re: point hope
>
> >>  i agree completely.  in fact, as much as i admire amy, i wasn't completely
> convinced that she wrote this.  it's a breakthrough to a new level of writing
> for her, i think.  the reason i thought it might be a cover wasn't the subject
> matter -- she's written about heavy social/political topics before -- but that
> the style is a departure for her.  there's no chorus.  i can't think of
> another
> amy song where that's true.  (the only emily song with no chorus i can think
> of
> is "leeds".  i chalked that up to the fact that she wrote that on piano and it
> wound up in a different style.)  plus, "point hope" is much more narrative
> than
> the rest of amy's songs.  she usually writes with lots of poetic images and
> short phrases, but this is one long conversational monologue.>>
>
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date:         wed, 25 oct 2000 08:38:10 -0500
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i'm one of those people who hasn't yet decided how to use my vote.  i heard
that gore was coming here tomorrow, so i reserved a ticket.  now i get this
bonus:  melissa etheridge will be performing at the rally.  cool.  just
thought i'd share. :-)

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date:         wed, 25 oct 2000 09:55:38 -0400
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continuing in the theme of lyrical discouse. read and discuss:

grace

unwalk your way in here retreat, baby
i suffer from the sweet
think i'll lie right here and count to when
i'll be more ready when you come again

love like a stranger, kindness in the time of need
we touch the face of grace

but the memory is stronger than all these events
i am running at break speed and over the fence
can you sway the pounding pulse in me
where slow is safe and soft is free

love like a stranger, kindness in the time of need
you say take it easy
it's us but not just you and me
uncurl your fingers tight
it comes for free the scented night
we touch the face of grace

there's a way beyond us, clear to itself
pushing up daisies in your field of fear
we're not enough to turn this tide
be like the sky and open wide

i guess it's simple in the end, baby
it never ends it will begin again
and i don't know what path we're on
i guess i'll stay, i'm as good as gone

love like a stranger etc.

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oh god, the temptation... the terrible terrible temptation....
stay tuned to see if i give in.

kc

sheryl jones wrote:

> i'm one of those people who hasn't yet decided how to use my vote.  i heard
> that gore was coming here tomorrow, so i reserved a ticket.  now i get this
> bonus:  melissa etheridge will be performing at the rally.  cool.  just
> thought i'd share. :-)
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if you visit the site listed below, you might
like what you find...


http://www.towerrecords.com/music.asp

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date:         wed, 25 oct 2000 10:03:19 cdt
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hi all,

i have a zillion emails left to read, so sorry if i repeat what someone else
has already typed.

i love "leaving", sure the lyrics may not be those dynamic lyrics that we
could never come up with ourselves if we tried, that we are used to emily
putting out.  but they are everyday lyrics that everyday people can relate
to.  just because emily is this great lyricist and kick ass musician to us
doesn't mean she is not an everyday person too.  she is allowed a simple
song that makes perfect sense to almost everyone and to top it off is
absolutely beautiful.  what more could you want in a song but pure honesty.

of course what do i know, they could have written row row row your boat and
i would still love it.

i am just happy to have 3 new terrific ig songs to memorize and sing at 3
shows in a row!!!!!!!!!!  rock!!!

traci drago
st. louis, mo
also at n_d_go@hotmail.com

*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*
*  "in georgia nights are softer than a whisper  *
*  beneath a quilt somebody's mother made by     *
*  hand with the farmland like a tapestry passed *
*  down through generations and the peach trees  *
*  stitched across the land"                     *
*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*

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date:         wed, 25 oct 2000 11:32:48 edt
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i've listened to leaving a whole bunch of times now.  okay, more than just a
whole bunch, but maybe not quite obsessively enough to qualify me for a
12-step program in ig addiction ("hello, my name is heidi and i cannot stop
playing that emily track over and over").  y'all know how that goes with a
new release.

anyway, my take is that it's about the nature of long-distance relationships,
and how they don't work the same as in-person 24/7 relationships.  when she
says, "and if i weren't leaving you/i don't know what i would do," my sense
is that she is leaving when things aren't quite right, but she doesn't get to
fix them the same way as if she was permanently there with her gf.  instead,
she's getting back on a plane because she has to, and she's hoping that time
and distance will smooth it over, perhaps as has happened in the past.  she's
not having to work whatever it is out in person, and it sounds to me like
she's unsure of how to do that.  it's a lot more painful to have to stay face
to face and work on something than to walk away.  that whole "absence makes
the heart grow fonder" thing comes into play when you're in a long-distance
relationship ... by the time you talk on the phone 24 hours later, you are
missing each other and the small stuff doesn't matter. i did it years ago
when i was in college and my then-boyfriend (now husband) was in law school.
it's a really different kind of relationship that living together and working
out day-to-day details, and my interpretation of the lyrics is that emily is
feeling both relieved and apologetic about it at the same time ... relieved
that it will probably blow over since she's gone, and apologizing that she
isn't able to develop that day-in and day-out routine of how to work things
out.

and i'm bummed to hear that neil doesn't like devotion ... i'm walking the
12-step line on this tune, too.  love the appalacian feel, the ghost of cedar
tree, and i think it's very reflective of what amy's been through in the last
year.  one question, though -- i keep hearing them say "susan" in the chorus.
i know it must be the meld of "soon as" but still sound like susan to me.
is this amy's sneaky way of writing a song devoted to our very own susan
marine?  that's what i think every time i listen to it!  ;-)

both new tunes rock in my book,

heidi

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date:         wed, 25 oct 2000 09:30:07 +0000
reply-to:     smackenz@scrippscol.edu
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yeah, i didn't know what to think of this song when i fist heard it, so i'd
like to hear some discussion too.

and as long as i'm emailing, i want to stick up for devotion as well. it's a
great companion song with ozilline. both are about a way of life of living
with the earth (well, at least on one level, of course there's more to be said
for both). they're very very meaningful to me. well, whatever, i won't go into
ramble mode about it all.

-sam (cheesed off at the email about how we do not have an impact on the
environment, but that's a whole other issue)

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date:         wed, 25 oct 2000 11:35:33 -0500
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from:         sheryl jones <sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu>
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since i wasn't very clear in my post, i'm getting lots of email.  so...to
clarify thing.  "here" is madison, wi

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date:         wed, 25 oct 2000 11:12:48 -0600
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i thought that many people on this list would find this interesting.  if you
dont want to read political content, delete it!!  i do not intend to start
up the political discussion again, but i thought the significance of this
being from ani made it a valid post.  flame me off list if you want to, but
i think its wonderful that ani finally has something positive she can say
about politics/politicians.  and we value voices like hers, right??

jess b


date: tue, 24 oct 2000 17:44:08 -0500
from: michelle shields <shields9@juno.com>
subject: fw: ani's open letter re ralph nader

thought the group might find this interesting:

~michelle
vehemently against boots for profit

- --------- forwarded message ----------
from: rbrinfo@aol.com (rbrinfo)
to: ani-gate@lists.rmta.org
date: 24 oct 2000 20:10:46 gmt
subject: ani's open letter re ralph nader
message-id: <20001024161046.28853.00001160@ng-bh1.aol.com>

here's a statement ani prepared before her madison square garden
appearance.  feel free to distribute it however and wherever you
like, provided you don't edit or alter it in any way. thanks!
- --ron e, rbr minister of communications

***********************

an open letter from ani difranco
october 2000

when i cast my vote this november, i intend to cast it in favor of
progressive ideas and grassroots action. i'm going to support a
genuine alternative to a closed system where two parties often act
with a single agenda -- an agenda which simply does not address
the daily reality of millions of citizens. i'm going to lend my
voice to the fundamental concept that government should serve the
needs of the people, not a handful of multinational corporations.

in other words, i'm voting for ralph nader.

if you're talkin' policies, my decision has never been simpler.
nader speaks openly against the death penalty and in support of
women's rights, plus his environmental stand is exemplary. nader
and the greens also want to cut military spending, end the drug
war, and attack poverty at its systemic roots.  they represent the
best way to follow through on the groundswell of anti-capitalist
activism currently uniting progressives across traditional boundaries
of gender, class, and generation. i don't expect him to win, of
course, but i know that a vote for him truly counts over the long
haul, because it's helping to bust open the stifling two-party
stranglehold on our system and bring progressive voices into the
national political discourse which has for too long been dominated
by moderates and hyperconservatives.

'course, there's just one little hitch.

the way the electoral college works, a majority of votes for a
given candidate wins the whole state, and there are certain states
where gore or bush will be clear winners. in my home state of new
york, for instance, it's easy to vote for nader without worrying
that i am vicariously aiding and abetting a bush victory.  but in
the so-called swing states (currently florida, michigan, ohio,
oregon, pennsylvania, washington, and wisconsin), a green party
vote really does mean that bush comes one vote closer to winning.
while i am sensitive to the power of a symbolic protest vote, there
are larger issues at stake in this election.  it's true that
democrats and republicans have grown disturbingly similar to each
other, but there are still profound differences between their
agendas. if i found myself in a swing state, i'd remember the record
number of executions governor bush has authorized in the state of
texas, for instance, and i'd think long and hard about the bleak
future of women's reproductive rights in a republican-controlled
white house. and my vote would go to al gore.

i firmly believe that if all of us progressive thinkers around the
country collaborate in a thoughtful strategy, we can achieve the
dual goals of getting the green party on the ballot for future
elections and getting gore into the white house, thereby preventing
the tragedy of a baby bush administration.

because my vote does count, this year more than ever. the choice
may not be cut and dried, but one thing is obvious: i don't want
an even dumber (can you say "inbreeding"?) bush in office, and i
don't want my actions to allow that to happen.

- --ani difranco

ps. here are a couple of articles that helped to shape my thinking on the
election:

eric alterman, "bush or gore: does it matter? the power of the
presidency," the nation, october 16, 2000
katha pollitt, "presidential politics, cont'd., cont'd.," the
nation, october 9, 2000

for more information on nader's candidacy and the green party platform,
check out www.votenader.org.

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date:         wed, 25 oct 2000 12:34:46 -0600
reply-to:     "amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu>
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ok, here's my take...(sorry if i repeat what everyone else has said, i
haven't had time to read the other posts)

to me, leaving is, like graham (i think) said, sort of a companion to
language or the kiss. it conjures up similar images in my head when i hear
it. although, maybe it's just because i haven't heard lotk in a while, but
leaving seems so much more heart-wrenching. i mean, when emily says, "it's
here dusk and there dawn", it pains me just to hear her sing that. where
lotk seemed to be more directed at homelife in general (family, friends,
lovers, etc.), leaving seems to definitely be directed at one person in
particular. but, it's the same struggle between being torn between leaving
whomever back at home and "the only road i know". the choice still is...
arguably corny lyrics be damned, god i love this song.

as for devotion, i have less to say about this song. amy's usually so much
more abstract. most of the time, i don't even attempt to try to
interpret. but damn, i love this song too. i'm not going to argue the
merits of either one of these. maybe they're not the best songs either one
has written, but i can't stop listening to them. i  only wish i had
heard leaving on the cd before i had heard it live. i feel like i would
have appreciated it more. it still broke my heart.

peace,
amy m.

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
"we are not empty-headed celebrities."
                -the goddess, amy ray

"women together is a powerful thing, especially when you join it with
music."
                -the goddess, emily saliers

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date:         wed, 25 oct 2000 13:52:22 -0500
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sea ingrid in indigo-girls from 2000/10/23

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date:         wed, 25 oct 2000 13:54:11 -0500
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sorry, that was supposed to go to the server, not the list.  *blush*

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date:         wed, 25 oct 2000 15:09:39 -0600
reply-to:     "amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu>
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on wed, 25 oct 2000 subcityii@aol.com wrote:

> if you visit the site listed below, you might
> like what you find...
>
>
> http://www.towerrecords.com/music.asp
>
ok, the feminist everly brothers??? that's a comparison i've not heard
before. (go there and keep reading, you'll find out what i'm talking
about.)

amy m.

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
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                -the goddess, amy ray

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music."
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<<am i off of the loop or what?>>

no. you're not. i ddidn't know amy was in a relationship with michelle
malone either. i'd like to see an article that mentions that, so i know
it's not just hearsay. anyone?

peace
barb

http://community.webtv.net/ritesofpassage9/foreverindigogirls

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date:         wed, 25 oct 2000 14:12:14 -0700
reply-to:     larissa brown <larissa.brown@eng.sun.com>
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hmm,

well, i don't know and i know we tread near the private life nosing no no zone,
but it is clear that they have known eachother an awfully long time and i have
heard that rumour before.

but who am i to say?

-larissa


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><<am i off of the loop or what?>>
>
>no. you're not. i ddidn't know amy was in a relationship with michelle
>malone either. i'd like to see an article that mentions that, so i know
>it's not just hearsay. anyone?
>
>peace
>barb
>
>http://community.webtv.net/ritesofpassage9/foreverindigogirls
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larissa c. brown
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date:         thu, 26 oct 2000 08:11:02 +1000
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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subject:      retrospective limited edition ?
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hey folks,

finally i'm getting around to ordering the retrospective
cd (having abandoned hope of finding it in a store here).

what's the difference between the "limited" and regular
editions i see listed on tower and amazon?

-sherlyn
=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-= [sydney, australia]
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         and it'll push right back
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<<am i off of the loop or what?>>

>>no. you're not. i ddidn't know amy was in a relationship with michelle
malone either. i'd like to see an article that mentions that, so i know
it's not just hearsay. anyone?

check lifeblood, i know i've run across early articles in which malone was
referred to as her roomate (read between the lines), and i'm almost
positive amy has actually said that she was involved with michelle. as for
whether or not blood and fire was written about michelle, amy has never
commented in print.

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hi there ig fans.  i am about a 2 weeks old on this list, and i am liking it
a lot.  i have seen emily and amy every time they are in my area, most
recently during their acoustic shows this spring.  no one can even compare to
their musical and song writing talent.  though i havent seen any trading on
this site, i was wondering if anyone has any live shows to offer up to a new
member.  i am familiar with the b&p method (i send blanks and pay for postage
and a kind soul burns the show).  i own every released album, but no others.
can anyone help out a devoted fan?  email me off the list.  thanks and see
you at some shows.
keep groovin
aimee

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i went to many of the sites listed on the ig website and almost none of them
have point hope..i searched under artist and song title. tower records does
but when i try to purchace the download (tower forwards me to sony) no
matter how many times i enter info it gives me some stupid message that the
account has alreadt been created even though i've never been there before.
can anyone recommend a download site that is easy and not a total
frustrating hassle????!! email me privately. thanks!
lynne

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hey all-

the first time i heard this song, on neil's boot, i totally fell in love
with it, and so i covered it on indicated iv.  (shameless plug)  i *finally*
fixed the download so it will work on my computer.  can i just say how much
emily adds to this song?  the guitar during the instrumental is so subtle
and smooth, it really works for me.  and the harmonies, dayam!  i love it.
this is truly one of my favorite songs, ever.  amy rocks my world.

chris ii

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indeed i like devotion.  it has depth and simplicity all at once.  and i
like the sound of it too, that appalachian feel to it :)

incidentally, i have not heard grace before.  this is a new song?

nancy

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<<incidentally, i have not heard grace before.  this is a new song?>>

oops... my bad.
looks like i left out the pertinent details when i posted the lyrics.

it's a song of sara lee's funky new album (go buy it, and go visit her
website www.basiclee.com) which emily wrote the words for. (not sure if
words were put to the music or t'other way around)

neil
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hey all,

i am leaving for europe on friday.  though i should be checking my e-mail, i
think i am going to switch over to digest.  i am *really* interested in the
setlists for the nc shows and of course the earth challenge.  so for those of
you who are lucky enough to be going, please post (hehe.  my friend an i have
this joke that i am actually saving money by going to europe because if i
weren't going there, i'd probably be chasing ig through nc and ga...).

secondly, i think there are a few people left over from my newbie offers who
have not sent me their tapes/sase's yet.  so...if you are planning to mail me
your stuff (or have mailed it in the past day or so), you probably won't be
getting anything back until the middle of november.  sorry.  but that is why
i had asked you to mail your stuff out earlier.  and along the same line, if
you owe me anything (only one person responded to my post about a month ago
re: not getting boots that people owe me.  and she had a very very very valid
reason.  and i was not mad.  so i think i am pretty reasonable), how nice it
would be for me to come home to it!

when i get home, i'll think of some other creative newbie offer (maybe
offering some of the more recent essential boots instead of the earlier
ones), so if you're looking to start your ig boot collection, please stay
tuned!  :-)

finally, if you have a website, please join the listees ring!  since i won't
be able to take sites out of the queue and into the ring while i am gone,
please fill out the form and put the html up on your site.  i'll officially
add it as soon as i return home.  to join, go to:
http://www.ringsurf.com/netring?ring=iglistees;action=addform

thanks, y'all!

:-) karen

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hey all:

i just want to let you know in case some of you get to jocks & jills
before i do, the reservation is under spinale and its a party of 30.
we have a total of 30 at this point, but if we could all meet at the
reflecting
pool first, i can take another count and i could call them ahead of time
to give them the total (if someone would be kind enough to let me use
their cell phone).

if you need to reach me, you need to email me today before 5:00.  i'll
be flying down to atlanta tomorrow.

see ya there (can't wait - i've listened to devotion and leaving 3 times
already this morning - as my hubby would say "intervention time".)

c

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hi everyone!
i just need ask for some help from you all...i'm doing a research project on
the imf and i need to find a few websites that don't glorify them.  i've only
been able to find a couple and i know there are plenty out there, i just
can't find them.  any help at all would be greatly appreciated!!!
second, i'm also doing a webpage for a computer class.  the topic is "the
activism of the indigo girls".  i've found quite a bit of info for this, but
if everyone could mail me links or addresses to pages related to this topic,
i would be forever grateful!!  the one thing i don't have very much on at all
is their work with the chiapas.  articles, webpages...anything's helpful:)

thanks everyone!!
jenifer

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what's the imf?

elaine

jenfer7193@aol.com wrote:

> i'm doing a research project on
> the imf

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could you e-mail me? i have a question about the rally.
thanks and sorry everyone else.

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as far as i know, the imf is the international monetary fund...

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> what's the imf?
>
> elaine
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hey coming into this late in the game but is there a website or something
with information about the show?

thx
e

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hey-- does anyone know if we can bring coolers and what not? any info would
be great! thanks-- ashley

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just to let those who are going know that there was an
aricle in the creative loafing this week and it gave
times for the shows.  it alo said that it would end at
7 p.m.  so that gives you all an idea of how long the
girls will be playing.  a long time...wahoo!  it also
said that along with glenn burns that the girls will
be emceeing.  i think thats how its spelled.  ok,
that's all the info i have.

heather

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hey, could someone send me the lyrics to leaving and
devotion...or tell me a website where i can find them?
also, the lyrics to point hope.... :-)
gotta make sure i know the words in case they sing
them in atlanta...hehe  :-)
thanks!!
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not to start a thread here, but democracy now
has a wonderful show about ralph nader and al gore, where people from
both the gore campaign, and nader campaign.   it's interresting. it's on
pacifica radio, if you want to listen to it either go to
pacificaradio.org, to find out what stationit's on in your area, or go
to that to that same website and click on democracy now , you can listen
to  the story on the web, i'm pretty sure.

if you have questions, please email me in private.

peace,
barb

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point hope

hey little darling
there's something that you should know
this thing is gonna outlive us all
this thing it won't let us go
gonna take us down to nothing
gonna eat us from the inside out
and hey little darling
i don't want you feeling the fallout

when the cancer finally took him
i was watching the trucks pull in
me and your daddy we had a job
under the ground mining uranium
some things your daddy leaves you
and there's some things he don't
some things are gonna be here anyhow
and some things just won't
one thing i want you to understand
is you ain't gotta be no mining man
i curse the day that i went down
and i pulled that shit out of the ground

now we were living over in nevada
that's where your people come from
your grandma would take me and your daddy
on down to the gunnery range
we'd sit and watch the bombs blow
and when the sun goes down
all them colors running like the painted desert
and you get to see it now

them government boys had something so damn secret
they had to hide it in the desert sand
out there the skies so big
and there ain't no mistaking it
whose got the winning hand

now i've been all the way to alaska
to a town they call point hope
where they took some of what we got down here
just to see how it would grow
i hear the lichen bought it
now it's running through the caribou
i said soon little darling
ah you get to feel it too
you get to feel it too

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sorry peole i went to pacifica, and today's show on democracy now isn't
listed yet, but if you're interrested, it might be posted to the site so
keep checking

peace
barb

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and, if you are a democracy now fan (i am, amy goodman is a goddess right up
there with some other people named amy), you should know, it's under serious
threat of censorship and amy goodman being terminated. see details at:

http://www.mediademocracynow.org

go go go,


larissa

p.s. in case anyone is wondering, the girls love democracy now too, i've heard
amy talk about it.

>
>not to start a thread here, but democracy now
>has a wonderful show about ralph nader and al gore, where people from
>both the gore campaign, and nader campaign.   it's interresting. it's on
>pacifica radio, if you want to listen to it either go to
>pacificaradio.org, to find out what stationit's on in your area, or go
>to that to that same website and click on democracy now , you can listen
>to  the story on the web, i'm pretty sure.
>
>if you have questions, please email me in private.
>
>peace,
>barb
>
>http://community.webtv.net/ritesofpassage9/foreverindigogirls
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date:         thu, 26 oct 2000 11:12:53 -0700
reply-to:     amy swenson <amy_indigirl@yahoo.com>
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hey folks -

if you paid me on time, or just a little late, and you live in the us,
your t-shirt has been sent. i just spent 2.5 hours at the post office
getting the rest of the batch out. most likely if you ordered 2 shirts,
your order ended up priority mail, so you should receive them within
2-3 days. otherwise, first class has been pretty speedy as well.

i picked up the custom forms for the few international orders, and they
will be going out monday.

if you paid in the last week, your shirt may have not gone out yet. i'm
still getting caught up with my paperwork.

i do have a bunch of extras in all the sizes. if you're interested,
email me and i'll let you know what's available.

thanks also for your patience. last time i did this i had a team of
about 5 willing helpers, who now all live across the country. i totally
underestimated the time it would take just one person to do all this,
so thank you for being so kind and patient! this is why i love the
list!

thanks!
amy

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in a message dated 10/26/00 1:53:46 pm eastern daylight time,
loralei.riney@bannerhealth.com writes:

> anyone have any suggestions on a cd/cassette type boom box for her? i don't
> know if i should get a "childs" one or just get a nice inexpensive one..she
> is very mature and such for her age but i was wondering if there is like a
(
> yes i am gonna say it barbie boom box)

for my son's 7th birthday last year, we got him a casio cd/casette boombox
for less than $50 at an electronics warehouse store.  he is the envy of the
neighborhood as he blasts smash mouth at maximum volume!  i vote for getting
a cool, non-barbie model because i think girls outgrow barbie by 3rd grade
(at least from what we've seen).  now my 4 yr old wants a boombox for
christmas so she can be equally cool.  she already loves the backstreet boys
and n'sync.  i've exposed both kids to ig since they were born, but i am
fighting a losing battle with pop culture.  ;-)

heidi

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i just got the new book, manifesta, by jennifer baumgardner and amy
richards.  though i have been unable to begin reading it (i have to do
my homework), i am excited by just thumbing through it.

for the igc, jennifer thanks amy ray as the most liberated woman she
knows.  for more information about the book, check out
http://www.manifesta.net .

erica

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yeah!

i got my melbourne wrecking crew tee shirt in the mail today!  just in time
to bring it to europe with me.  wow, amy, great job!  and you pulled it off
by yourself!  thanks again for coordinating the 2nd listshirt!!!

:-) karen

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i only hope i get mine today as well....cant wait to get home.=20
well done amy....talk about good karma points ....way to go....sparkie

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i am anxiously awaiting my shirt!!  hopefully in the next few days i will
get it!!!

dana cumberland
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yeah!

i got my melbourne wrecking crew tee shirt in the mail today!  just in time
to bring it to europe with me.  wow, amy, great job!  and you pulled it off
by yourself!  thanks again for coordinating the 2nd listshirt!!!

:-) karen

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i made up some of my own, but they were all naughty.
and some of them were political.

kc

elaine bean wrote:

> what's the imf?
>
> elaine
>
> jenfer7193@aol.com wrote:
>
> > i'm doing a research project on
> > the imf
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hey folks,

does anybody know anyplace that's allowing download of
this track to people *not* in the us?

(also, nigc, please respond by private email - does
anybody know of any placement companies who sponsor
us or canadian visas for 6-10 month it contracts?)

happy happy all,
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hey y'all - sorry for the nigc

just wanted to let you guys know that i am moving (again)... i am pretty
caught up with boots so everyone should be cool.. but if you're sending me
something make sure you e-mail me for my new address...

(oh wistaria - your boots went out yesterday.. sorry for the delay.)

lisa

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>it alo said that it would end
> at 7 p.m.  so that gives you all an idea of how long
> the girls will be playing.  a long time...wahoo!

actually, if they don't start till 5:35 and the whole
thing ends at 7 (which i'm sure they'll have some more
talking and stuff after the girls play and before it
ends at 7) then they actually won't be playing but
about an hour....and that's if everything's actually
on schedule.  maybe they'll extend it a little bit and
let it go till 7:30 or so....i'm hoping!

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they mentioed the girls tonight!!!!!!! just thought i'd share! take care--
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< so whats that bit'o'other song that is occasionally put into the middle of
chickenman?
  >>

i don't know what it's called - i was referring to it as traveling but
there's a song on lifeblood called mountain top and the lyrics are similar to
the little traveling/mountain top bit they did at hob...

of course, there are always a hundred improvs/soc's that amy puts into
chickenman and others so it could be anything :p

:) lisa

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<< i just got the new book, manifesta, by jennifer baumgardner and amy
richards.  though i have been unable to begin reading it (i have to do
my homework), i am excited by just thumbing through it.
.this book was reviewed in the philadelphia inquirer last sunday -- thumbs
up. and on a side note, the reviewer, anndee hochman, will be reading from
her own works friday night (10/27) at 7:30 p.m. at the unitarian universalist
church, 401 n. kings highway, cherry hill, nj. it's free, and refreshments
will be served. anndee's a great writer herself.
deb

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i'm sure this has already been covered before and i
apologize for being a bit slow...but can someone tell
me what the foia and point hope stands for?
thanks y'all
sharon

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it stands for "freedom of information act," an act that opened up previously
classified government documents for public scrutiny.

take care, mis amigos,

s.

> i'm sure this has already been covered before and i
> apologize for being a bit slow...but can someone tell
> me what the foia and point hope stands for?
> thanks y'all
> sharon

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hi, folks,
not sure if people saw this, but i found it on a cox news service wire,
which i think is connected with the atlanta journal constitution
and not to stir up trouble, but please note emily's comment about politics
in answer to the first question.
deb

    duo brings act, activism to park
    by nick tate
    c. 2000 cox news service
    they've taken on big oil and the gun lobby, pressed for women's
issues and raised funds to help clean up atlanta's polluted skies
and rivers.
    and that's just in their spare time.
    amy ray and emily saliers - the indigo girls - may be as
well-known these days for their political activism as their music,
but atlanta's best-known vocal duo shows few signs of slowing down
after a 15-year run of mostly gold- and platinum-selling albums.
    saturday, ray and saliers bring their political and musical
lives together in a free centennial olympic park concert that may
feel as much like a countercultural homecoming as a folk-rock show.
they'll go on about 5:30 p.m. during the daylong event - part of
their annual honor the earth tour, which has raised $500,000 over
the years - which is expected to draw at least 10,000 fans of the
indigos' tangled-branch harmonies and acoustic guitar jamming. it
will also showcase a bevy of activist causes, political speakers
and musical guests, including michelle malone, speech and kevn
kinney.
    the atlanta show is the last on the tour, which seeks to raise
funds to fight environmental injustices against native americans.
but it will also be the first hometown show since this month's
release of the 30-something duo's "retrospective" album,
featuring two new tracks and 14 others culled from their seven
studio albums.
    calling from a tour stop in indiana, saliers talked about the
music, the causes and home.
    q:with the two of you spending more time with activist causes
these days, do you worry that it gets in the way of the music?
    a:i'm sure the politics turn some people off, but i don't worry
about that. we follow our hearts. i wish more people got involved
and got to experience the gratification of making changes for the
better in the world. and it's not like when you come to our shows
we're hammering you over the head with issues; it's just a show.
there are songs we write that are straight up music - love songs,
songs about our lives. i look at people like bonnie raitt or
jackson browne or joan baez. they've all been active politically,
but make good music. and when i'm listening to bonnie sing, "i
can't make you love me," i'm not thinking about politics, i'm
thinking about love.
    q:any thoughts on atlanta's environmental ethic?
    a:it's time for atlanta to wake up. the air is horrible. i can't
even go running some days because the air is so bad. there are
pockets of environmental activism, but i think there's a
complacency because atlanta's a pretty comfortable place to live,
the neighborhoods are wonderful and there's a lot of big businesses
represented in atlanta. but i think there's a change coming. people
are getting outraged. the city too busy to hate is becoming the
city too busy to breathe.
    q:the title "retrospective" implies that you're looking back.
it's not a hint at early retirement, is it?
    a:no way (laughs). amy is coming out with a solo record - a punk
record! - next year. she'll probably follow it with a tour. and
we're going to start work on our next record in june. it'll be
recorded mostly live in the studio in atlanta. it'll be a more
acoustic record, back to our roots. we still love making music
together, we're still friends. and i still feel grateful that every
day i have the privilege of making music.
    the indigo girls
    10 a.m.-7 p.m. saturday. free. centennial olympic park, techwood
drive at international boulevard n.w. information: centennial
olympic park, 404-223-4412; earth challenge, 404-320-3039.
     o n t h e w e b : more on the indigo girls, www.indigogirls
    .com, indigogirlsonline.com
    /honortheearth
    for concert times, other information:
    www.earchchallenge.org


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    nyt-10-26-00 2049edt

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for those of you still agonizing over whether a vote for nader is actually a
vote for bush, you'll appreciate this site:

http://www.nadertrader.com

cheers!

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i heard it as well, though i really don't think it was meant in a flattering
way.  but oh well, it was still cool!!

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they mentioed the girls tonight!!!!!!! just thought i'd share! take care--
ashley

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> for those of you still agonizing over whether a vote for nader is actually
a
> vote for bush, you'll appreciate this site:
>
> http://www.nadertrader.com


don't you people realize that the only vote that counts is your true vote?
if you vote for al gore because you hate george bush, or vice versa, do you
think they're going to care?  hell no!!!  they are going to interpret your
vote as an endorsement of their political views.  they are *not* going to
care that you voted for them only because you feel they'll take you to hell
at the slowest rate.

if you *are* so unhappy with the way things are in washington then vote for
whoever you *do* believe in, regardless of whether or not they have a chance
of wining!!!!  even if they lose, your vote will send a message that there
are those out in the public who do not like what they are doing.  those in
the public have taken their vote and chosen to believe in someone with a
different philosophy!  the very number of votes for those other "third
party" candidates will *force* the "mainstream politicians, i.e. democrat
and republicans" to rethink their policies and views!  it's the system this
country was founded on.  it's the system those in power do not want to have
anymore because it "splits the vote" and limits their chances of winning.
well who cares?!?  you have to vote your conscience!

you should *never* vote for someone just because you really can't stand that
other guy.  ever!  that is the epitome of stupidity and ignorance!  where in
the hell do you people come from?!?!?!  it cannot be the same america i grew
up in.  i absolutely refuse to accept it!  your vote matters!  it makes no
difference who you vote for.  your vote will be recognized for what it is!

* -
* ==
******
**
**  the only vote that counts is the one *you* believe in!
**  make your vote count!  vote your conscience!
**
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* -

- rick c. hodgin

ps - to sheryl jones, i don't know if you actually believe in the underlying
philosophy portrayed in that link you posted above, but what you are
propagating is both immoral and unethical.  shame on you for posting it here
and shame on the people who began that website in the first place!

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what i posted was informational.  i never said i endorsed it.  i believe
that people should be informed and then decide for themselves.  i think it
is interesting.  it did not deserve a personal attack.

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if any of you want to contact me directly to express your views please do
so.  reach me at 317-418-4723.

- rick c. hodgin

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i was just wondering what the context of this reference was.  i unfortunatly did not get a chance to see it.

~di

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jack was picking on two lesbians on the show.  he was being very mean to
them.  and i guess he made some sort of joke about the indigo girls in a
coffee shop.

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i was just wondering what the context of this reference was.  i unfortunatly
did not get a chance to see it.

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the thing was that jack was being rude and will pointed it out to him...will
said he was being rude and then made a comment like "and you made some
incoherent joke about the indigo girls and a mexican restaurent"...so it was
never really said what the joke was...but their name was in it.  the show was
hilarious...he was making fun of them and at one point one of the lesbians
said "ok that's not funny", and jack said "why because ellen degeneres didn't
say it"...you know in his jack voice...it was a great episode...

carla :o)

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okay, i have a really good joke about bush.  i don't want to just send it to
the list because i don't want to offend anyone.  if you want to hear it let
me know and i will forward it to you.

mi rinda

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in a message dated 10/27/00 10:12:09 am eastern daylight time,
foxmuldr@indy.net writes:

<< ps - to sheryl jones, i don't know if you actually believe in the
underlying
philosophy portrayed in that link you posted above, but what you are
propagating is both immoral and unethical.  shame on you for posting it here
and shame on the people who began that website in the first place!
  >>

rick,
  in sheryl defense her posting was not immoral or unethical.  i think your
expectations on "how" people should vote are just that....."your"
expectations.   the nice thing about a democracy is that people can vote
anyway they want and you don't get to make the rules.  they can use their
vote for or against anyone they choose.  there is nothing that says they have
to vote for the candidate they feel best matches their ideals.    my views
align closer to nader than gore's(not by much though)  but i am not nearly as
naive to believe that he has any chance to win and i sure as hell believe
that votes for nader are going to be votes that will help elect bush, which
is unacceptable.  nader wants his 5% so that in 4 years he will qualify for
matching funds and be able to compete, amen, i hope he gets it.

  the way our electoral system is set up the election will come down to
whoever wins in washington, oregon, ohio, pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan,
and florida.   maryland, where i live, will go democratic so i dont worry
about bush winning here.   if someone in one of those states is leaning
toward voting for nader to help add to his total votes so he hits the 5%
thresh hold i would be more than happy to become a nader trader partner with
them.  this is the best of both worlds or at least as good as it can be.  so
in other words thanks rick, because i had skipped sheryl's post but when
yours was so "shaming" i went back to read what she had posted and now am
more than willing to be a nader/trader.

indi

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hi, i am new to the list and i am fully aware that this post may not be
appropriate. i apologize ahead of time. i am looking for someone named kyra
foote who i believe may be on this list. i have been looking for kyra for
about 2 years. kyra if you recieve this please email me at
nichtori@excite.com.

thanks so much,

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i personally think it's really a shame that in this
day and time we still have to be confined by the
electoral college.  i know that the popular vote
usually pans out the same (basically) way that the
popular vote does, but i'm really tired of hearing
things like "south carolina voted for bush, so that
means everyone in sc must like bush!"  i mean,
obviously only ignorant people would make a statement
like that, but it still says something about your
state as a whole based on who gets the electoral vote.
and right now i think south carolina is pretty low on
peoples' liking list because of some of the things
that go on here.  so, i really wish someone would
abolish the electoral college and have one less thing
for people to stereotype a state by.  plus, it makes
one feel like "well, bush will get the electoral votes
for my state, so there's no point in me voting."  of
course this isn't true, but many people think this
way.
another little point i'd like to make...i sincerely
hope that most of y'all that are voting for nader are
not doing so simply because amy and emily endorce him
and you think "if the indigo girls like him, i should
too!"  i just think it's so ironic that amy and emily
like nader and suddenly everyone on the list is
posting vote nader vote nader!  i really respect amy
and emily, but my political views do not have to be
the same as theirs for me to be considered a good fan.
personally, i'm tired of having such a prominant
federal government taking over our lives and so i'm
voting for the libertarian candidate, harry browne.
ok, just thought i'd share....
sharon :-)


--- indigokat@aol.com wrote:
> in a message dated 10/27/00 10:12:09 am eastern
> daylight time,
> foxmuldr@indy.net writes:
>
> << ps - to sheryl jones, i don't know if you
> actually believe in the
> underlying
>  philosophy portrayed in that link you posted above,
> but what you are
>  propagating is both immoral and unethical.  shame
> on you for posting it here
>  and shame on the people who began that website in
> the first place!
>   >>
>
> rick,
>   in sheryl defense her posting was not immoral or
> unethical.  i think your
> expectations on "how" people should vote are just
> that....."your"
> expectations.   the nice thing about a democracy is
> that people can vote
> anyway they want and you don't get to make the
> rules.  they can use their
> vote for or against anyone they choose.  there is
> nothing that says they have
> to vote for the candidate they feel best matches
> their ideals.    my views
> align closer to nader than gore's(not by much
> though)  but i am not nearly as
> naive to believe that he has any chance to win and i
> sure as hell believe
> that votes for nader are going to be votes that will
> help elect bush, which
> is unacceptable.  nader wants his 5% so that in 4
> years he will qualify for
> matching funds and be able to compete, amen, i hope
> he gets it.
>
>   the way our electoral system is set up the
> election will come down to
> whoever wins in washington, oregon, ohio,
> pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan,
> and florida.   maryland, where i live, will go
> democratic so i dont worry
> about bush winning here.   if someone in one of
> those states is leaning
> toward voting for nader to help add to his total
> votes so he hits the 5%
> thresh hold i would be more than happy to become a
> nader trader partner with
> them.  this is the best of both worlds or at least
> as good as it can be.  so
> in other words thanks rick, because i had skipped
> sheryl's post but when
> yours was so "shaming" i went back to read what she
> had posted and now am
> more than willing to be a nader/trader.
>
> indi
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> -----original message-----
> another little point i'd like to make...i sincerely
> hope that most of y'all that are voting for nader are
> not doing so simply because amy and emily endorce him
> and you think "if the indigo girls like him, i should
> too!"  i just think it's so ironic that amy and emily
> like nader and suddenly everyone on the list is
> posting vote nader vote nader!  i really respect amy
> and emily, but my political views do not have to be
> the same as theirs for me to be considered a good fan.
>  personally, i'm tired of having such a prominant
> federal government taking over our lives and so i'm
> voting for the libertarian candidate, harry browne.
> ok, just thought i'd share....


i like that my favorite group is endorsing him and laduke but i read his
position and they almost exactly match my own which is why he gets my vote.
i am assuming that the other people on this list are intelligent enough to
do the same. personally, i think some of the positions of the libertarian
party are a bit whacked and most definitely do not represent my views.

ryan

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hey everybody,

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miranda-
hi! could you email that joke (privately of course) i tried to email you
privately but it got returned - sorry all!!!
yt
tammy
p.s. so this isn't entirely nigc, i loved this comment in the previously
posted interview:


"q:with the two of you spending more time with activist causes
these days, do you worry that it gets in the way of the music?
    a:i'm sure the politics turn some people off, but i don't worry
about that. we follow our hearts. i wish more people got involved
and got to experience the gratification of making changes for the
better in the world. " - emily
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hi -
does anyone know if dar williams and the indigo girls have ever performed
together? if so when, where and is there a boot? also, since the dar web
resource are scarce, does anyone know if she is a lesbian? i only ask
becasue it would help me interpret her music better and, well, lesbians are
cool...
ha! no flames, i'm teasing! thanks ahead of time
bob
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robert thompson wrote:
>
> hi -
> does anyone know if dar williams and the indigo girls have ever performed
> together?

newport, ri, 1998.

i'm sure someone has a boot - technically, i do have a boot of this ig
performance, but don't ask me where it is - it's amongst the missing,
so i cannot offer to make you a copy.  i'm sure someone will though.

elaine

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> does anyone know if dar williams and the indigo girls have ever performed
> together? if so when, where and is there a boot?

        dar also played two of the hte shows this past tour - oct 3rd (the
show that emily took solo) and 4th. i have no idea if anybody on this list
has a boot of either show, though.
        mandy

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          and every thought's a possibility
          and the voices are heard but nothing is seen
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does anyone know if the artwork in the n*i*s insert has any specific
meaning?  what is your own interpretation of the artwork?

thanks, g.

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date:         sat, 28 oct 2000 06:41:15 edt
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has anyone heard this? is it worth tracking it down?

the second single from sister hazel's second cd "fortress," "champagne high,"
featuring emily saliers of the indigo girls, will be released to radio on
october 17.

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> does anyone know if dar williams and the indigo girls have ever performed
> together? if so when, where and is there a boot?

dar also played 'february' at the indigo girls' show at umass amherst in
sept '97.

-- dennis

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hey, i'm new to the list and have just been observing the past week or so.
on the subject of the sister hazel song...it is definitely worth tracking
down. emily does some fantastic harmonies, especially during the bridge of
the song. i highly recommend it.

take care everyone and have a safe weekend.

deb
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> has anyone heard this? is it worth tracking it down?
>
> the second single from sister hazel's second cd "fortress," "champagne
high,"
> featuring emily saliers of the indigo girls, will be released to radio on
> october 17.
>
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<< what i posted is purely informational it deos not deserve a personal
attack.>>

i  for one am glad sheryl posted that website, a
plan like that as risky as it is, just might get nader more votes. while
taking away from bush.

second, i don't see what is so immoral about
sharing one's interests on this list, we are a diverse  group, and we
are adults,  please let's
respect each other's views, and not  insult each other.


peace
barb

http://community.webtv.net/ritesofpassage9/foreverindigogirls

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if anyone has  point hope, i am looking for a copy, i would be willing
to donate to hte, and to send a blank cdr (or if you want, a blank
cassette)and postage,  sase the works,

please email me in private.

thanks and peace,
barb

http://community.webtv.net/ritesofpassage9/foreverindigogirls

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hkf's,


i'm just gonna cut to the chase..

i thought f.o.i.a stood for

fall out in alaska!!!!


well heck, it fits!

joe
brooklyn,ny

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we call it bitterroot river...

played it again tonight!

d:)


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can anyone help identify the girl with long dark hair that was sitting
between amy grant and sheryl crow during the rehersal segment of the
lifetime special for breast cancer, girls with guitars. this segment is
filmed in black and white and is towards the end of the show. then
during the actual color performance, she is replaced by melissa
etheridge. we dont recall seeing her anywhere else thruout the show.
just thought it was odd and i figured someone here would probably know.
thanks.
kathy

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