lifeblood: listlogs: 2000-11c

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date:         wed, 15 nov 2000 00:01:13 est
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*all stuff for sale is first come first serve
reply to larsac31@hotmail.com
and please only do so if you are seriously interested

*the boot im offering
is a video boot of the earth challenge show
which is excellent quality (on a tripod)
until right after chicken man
when a security guy made everyone stop filming
i missed a few songs being recorded as a result
but managed to get a shaky version of devotion, wild horses and others
i also got some footage of amy and emily backstage
watching some performers and mingling w/ friends
in addition to all the speeches they gave
in between all the performers
i am preferring to make even trades for other video or audio boots
or simply do the whole blanks and postage thing
let me know

anyway
heres the stuff up for sale:

1. watershed t-shirt(emilys resturant): xl, natural color, says "watershed"
on front over the faucet emblem and underneath says
"wine+flowers+gifts+specialty foods"-$13
2. official lilith fair t-shirt: '97. large, natural color. brand new.
"lilith fair" on front with lilith woman and "lilith fair a celebration of
women in music" on back w/ all main stage and second stage performers
including indigo girls, sarah. m., tracy chapman, shawn colvin, dar
williams, and patty griffin- $13

melissa etheridge:
3. angels would fall cd single: import from germany. sealed! tracks:1.
angles would fall 2. into the dark 3. beloved (non-album track)-$14
4. enough of me: cd single. sealed!! tracks: 1. enough of me (www.cla mix)
2. stronger than me (version 3a) 3. dance without sleeping 4. angels would
fall (live solo acoustic version) -$8
5. 2001 cd single: '92. "2001" printed huge on red disc. tracks: 1. 2001 2.
meet me in the back (live) 3. testify (live) this disc does not come w/
front insert and im not sure it ever did.-$9
6. if i wanted to: cd single. '95. gold disc. no inserts. promo. "m.e."
symbol all over it- $7

7. joni mitchell "come in from the cold" cd single w/edit version-$2
8. buffy st. marie '92 cd single w/ 4 tracks-$2
9. rose polanzani cd "anybody"-$6

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date:         wed, 15 nov 2000 00:01:53 est
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sorry for the rant, but i'm just so frustrated at the number of people lately
who tell me they have never heard of indigo girls! intellectually i know why
that is, but it's still annoying that people with less talent are celebrated
by the masses whilst the girls do not get the recognition they deserve.
anyone else see the vh1 top 100 rock artists? what a joke!
--thomas

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date:         tue, 14 nov 2000 23:35:04 -1000
reply-to:     "k. asiu" <kla@aloha.net>
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hey y'all,

sorry about the nigc but i've seen similar pleas put to the list before and
hope that some of y'all will take the time to help me out.  i'm doing a
project for a statistics class (yeah...yuck) amyray, if you'd be so kind to
reply to the following questions i'd be much obliged.  if you really want to
hear the gory (re: boring) details of the assignment let me know and i'll
tell ya.  reply via private e-mail please. thanks in advance!

1) number of women that have used men's bathrooms (or vice versa) in public
because the lines were shorter, you were dared to, or you were too drunk to
realize it until it was pointed out to you <g>.

2) how many people have more than 3 e-mail accounts or internet service
providers (include a number if you please)

3) how many people trade mp3 files on the internet (e.g. napster, gnutella,
mp3.com)

peace,
karen

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date:         wed, 15 nov 2000 05:30:46 est
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i think someone on this list asked for info on fibromyaligia...if not i apologize
for posting this.

from yahoo health's "ask the doctor" - dr. dean edell
http://health.yahoo.com/health/expert/drdean/answer.html

q: shirley: is there a test for fibromyalgia? the doctor thinks that's what
i have. the only thing he says he can do is give me sleeping pills so i can
rest at night.

a: dr. dean: the symptoms of fibromyalgia are fairly vague; fatigue, anxiety,
and aches and pains. some doctors believe that, along with chronic fatigue syndrome
and gulf war syndrome, fibromyalgia is not caused by a physical illness but
by the mind.

some doctors consider a patient to have fibromyalgia if pressure on 11 of 18
"tender points" on the back and neck causes pain.

in just the past two weeks, two separate studies on the condition reported some
interesting findings. one found that women who were sexually abused as children
are more likely to have fibromyalgia, which supports the idea that it is psychosomatic.

another researcher reported that the nerves of people with fibromyalgia "remember"
pain and discomfort more than other people's do. in other words, if i poke myself
in the ribs..."ow, that hurts" and the pain goes away. in a fibromyalgia patient,
a poke is felt over a widespread area and the pain lasts longer.

either way, it's a diagnosis of exclusion. if you don't have this and you don't
have that, if everything else has been ruled out, doctors will often diagnose
the patient with fibromyalgia.

and then what? you are left with this strange, new disease for which we know
neither cause nor cure. i don't know if we do people any favors by labeling
them with a disease that we're not sure even exists.

dean edell, m.d.
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date:         wed, 15 nov 2000 07:38:12 -0500
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hello everyone,
i just made a pretty good, or perhaps mix that includes the indigo
girls, dar williams, david wilcox, some unknown artists etc. and a bunch
of others. what i was wondering if anyone else out there in ig cyber
world would like to trade personal mixes. i have gotten rave reviews,
from friends of course that it is a great mix of tunes.
anyone who wants to take me up on this kind of trade let me know.
thanks,
mary

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date:         wed, 15 nov 2000 10:08:52 est
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thomas,

wihtout a doubt man. you'll be pretty hard pressed to find anyone who
disagrees with you here but man do you got a point.

it's kind of simple and ugly at the same time, most people are sheep and
follow what they are told to follow. ig fans see it diffrently. we're
-"...not content to bow and bend to the whims of culture that swoop like
vultures..."

it's standard 5 boy pop band and 3 chord 3min 15sec songs about "baby, baby i
love you so, oh,oh,oh"

listening to the girls requries a responsibilty. you are faced with tons of
questions about life, death, other people and ofcourse yourself in their
music, and the way i see it, most are just too afraid to take on the
responsibilty.

it's just easier to be told by the record companies "this is a hit! go buy
it. we wrote them a bunch of songs, easy to remember, easy to sing, and you
don't have to answer any questions. besides every-one-else is buying it, you
don't want to be left out do you?"

in a way, i'm glad indigo girls are ours. shows like the college fund raiser
last week couldn't have happened if they had 4 multi-plantiumn albums. their
music is intimate, so are their shows and i like it that way.

but i agree with you big time thomas. we are on a planet comprised mostly of
musicly ignorant sheep and one hit wonders. thank god for amy and emily

joe
brooklyn,ny

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date:         wed, 15 nov 2000 09:16:44 -0800
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this is true, but i was just happy they were on vh1's
100 top women in rock....weren't the indigo girls like
#79? of course i didn't agree with the ranking of
lots of people on that list. ani difranco was like
#90...

sharon

--- "thomas b. pierce" <bmw87k100@aol.com> wrote:
> sorry for the rant, but i'm just so frustrated at
> the number of people lately
> who tell me they have never heard of indigo girls!
> intellectually i know why
> that is, but it's still annoying that people with
> less talent are celebrated
> by the masses whilst the girls do not get the
> recognition they deserve.
> anyone else see the vh1 top 100 rock artists? what
> a joke!
> --thomas
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date:         wed, 15 nov 2000 12:26:33 -0600
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the girls got #79 and ani difranco got #90? oh man that's ridiculous!
who got in the top 5
most talented?

peace
barb

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date:         wed, 15 nov 2000 13:36:33 -0500
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hi,

thanks for positn the information. i'll also offer up the newsgroup
alt.med.fibromyalgia is always full of excellent information and support
for people who have or know someone with fms. i have had fms for several
years and will gladly reply to anyone who would like to discuss this
topic.

smiles,
allison

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date:         wed, 15 nov 2000 14:01:21 -0500
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these are unfinished thoughts, but they'll do for now :o)

<<sorry for the rant, but i'm just so frustrated at the number of people
lately who tell me they have never heard of indigo girls!>>

more so abroad. really, the indigo girls haven't made it at all outside the
us and canada, and that fact alone will mean they are never truly one of the
greats. you can put it down to a number of things, but they have built their
following through an awful lot of touring and sympathetic (college) radio
play. both of which have only been token overseas.

<<anyone else see the vh1 top 100 rock artists? what a joke!>>

for ease of reference:

vh-1's top 100 artists:
http://www.vh1.com/insidevh1/shows/100greatestlist/100artists.jhtml

<<who got in the top 5 most talented?>>

vh-1's top women in rock:
http://www.vh1.com/insidevh1/shows/100greatestlist/100women.jhtml
1. aretha franklin
2. tina turner
3. janis joplin
4. bonnie raitt
5. joni mitchell

and you can't really argue with that.

it's not "most talented" it's not "most consistent" it's not "best" it's
"greatest" (whatever that means). and really, that's supposed to reflect who
has embedded themselves in the public conciousness and who has had the most
influence on other (famous) musicians. and naturally, those criteria favour
people who have been around awhile. (not to mention it's supposed to be a
contentious list for maximum discussion/publicity value).

by my quick guestimate, the indigo girls have performed at least one song by
22 (give or take) of the people on the vh-1 top 100 artists. that's a pretty
good percentage. and for women in rock, the igs have played with (or
performed songs by) around 14 artists on the list.

i could sing you a song by most of the 200 people listed. go on, try me :o)

<<this is true, but i was just happy they were on vh1's 100 top women in
rock....weren't the indigo girls like #79? of course i didn't agree with
the ranking of lots of people on that list. ani difranco was like #90...>>

i might argue with a couple of places or artists here and there on the lists
(and it might also be worth noting they're us-biased lists). but in the
grand scheme of things i think the igs did pretty well. name me one person
who is above indigo girls that doesn't deserve to be and i'll give you a
good reason why they should.

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date:         wed, 15 nov 2000 13:59:55 -0500
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if you want to get even angrier, count how many female artists or fronted
bands made it to vh1's 100 greatest...
i found 9, counting the pretenders...that's a crock.
sharon

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on wed, 15 nov 2000, q.o.t.u. wrote:

> if you want to get even angrier, count how many female artists or fronted
> bands made it to vh1's 100 greatest...
> i found 9, counting the pretenders...that's a crock.

to be fair, popular music was pretty male-dominated for a long
time.
here's where women fall in the list:

   21. aretha franklin
   32. joni mitchell
   41. janis joplin
   69. pretenders
   80. tina turner
   85. carole king
   86. madonna
   91. gladys k. & pips
   94. diana ross & supremes

check out the list
(http://www.vh1.com/insidevh1/shows/100greatestlist/100artists.jhtml),
who would you replace, with whom?

darius

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date:         wed, 15 nov 2000 14:33:37 -0500
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<<if you want to get even angrier, count how many female artists or fronted
bands made it to vh1's 100 greatest... i found 9, counting the
pretenders...that's a crock.>>

i make it twelve bands that have a female who either sang lead vocals and/or
made songwriting contributions.
but what is it about the list that's such a crock?

is it
- there are some female artists that should be in there over males?
- the general public prefers male artist?
- there are just proportionately more male rockers and the law of averages
takes over?
- more males are music buyers (or were on the panel or get better tv
ratings)?
or some combination?

is it really saying that males are 'better' than females?
it seems there were different criteria in defining 'rock' used in the two
lists (no billie holiday nor ella fitzgerald in the top 100) which might
explain why bonnie raitt is the #4 female but doesn't make the top 100
all-timers, while lower placed females do.

in other words, don't sweat it too much. but hey, take a look at the lists.
most artists should have a place in your cd collection :o)

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my last post on this. promise.
(probably).

<<
   21. aretha franklin
22. fleetwood mac (two female singers/songwriters)
   32. joni mitchell
   41. janis joplin
66. talking heads (female bassist/songwriter. ok, so this is pushing it a
little, but i didn't inlcude the grateful dead who had a female in their
official line-up for a while there.)
   69. pretenders
74. the velvet underground (female drummer/singer/songwriter. yeah, lou reed
was the heart of the velvets, but moe tucker is an inspiration to drummers
everywhere).
   80. tina turner
   85. carole king
   86. madonna
   91. gladys k. & pips
   94. diana ross & supremes>>

<<who would you replace, with whom?>>

the doors.
van halen.
with just about anybody :o)

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date:         wed, 15 nov 2000 11:45:32 -0800
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"neil :o)" wrote:

> but what is it about the list that's such a crock?

well, i guess my frustration with such lists (although the afi top 100
films list is pretty good at avoiding this), is that they generally give
popularity more weight than artistic measure. that is, the untalented
and uninfluential who are commercially successful receive less attention
than the more challenging artists who are actually stretching the genre.

granted, i find a lot of the "groundbreaking" stuff nearly
unlistenable. (which lou reed album was it that was basically 2 record
sides of nothing but feedback?) but there is a middle ground, those
geniuses who walk the fine line between pushing the envelope and
resonating with their audience, and to me, these are the true top of
their genre.

exactly who these artists are is open to debate, but i'd definately
include david bowie. oddly enough, he's the only one who springs to
mind without having to get up and look at my cds.

so, that's my main gripe with such lists. they seem to miss the point
of what being a "great artist" means, and confuse it with commercial
success. if that were the true measure of success, then we should be
studying mcdonalds advertising campaigns as high art.

-graham

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i think i'm annoyed by the fact that i don't really enjoy about two thirds
of the artists who were on vh1's greatest artists, and that more women
really deserved to be there. the message that they are sending with that
list is that female performers just aren't as good as males. i don't agree.
and even with 12...out of 100? that's ridiculous.
sharon

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date:         wed, 15 nov 2000 15:38:53 est
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hey i was on my way to school this morning when i heard closer to fine on
b-103.7! it was a good start to my day, especially since i had been flipping
through the stations for something good for about 15 mins. but the people
kept talking as the song started, and it made me mad, i already don't like
radio talk, and i can't stand it during and ig song. my mom gave me a weird
look as i hit the radio and said, "stop talking!" .. ok well my little story.
~maggie

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on wed, 15 nov 2000, graham ames wrote:

> well, i guess my frustration with such lists (although the afi top 100
> films list is pretty good at avoiding this), is that they generally give
> popularity more weight than artistic measure.

in a pop-culture world, if somebody resonates strongly with the
populace for a prolonged period of time, you *do* give that more weight
than artistic measure.
have you ever tried to write an extremely catchy pop song? it's more
difficult than you might think.

> that is, the untalented and uninfluential who are commercially
> successful receive less attention than the more challenging artists who
> are actually stretching the genre.

i think the list was well-constructed, and managed to take both into
account.

> granted, i find a lot of the "groundbreaking" stuff nearly
> unlistenable.

revolution #9? tripe, i tell you! :)

> but there is a middle ground, those geniuses who walk the fine line
> between pushing the envelope and resonating with their audience, and to
> me, these are the true top of their genre.

   of course!  but looking at the list, i see a lot of that.  we may or
may not revere kiss as musicians, but they pushed the concert experience
to a level that had not been experienced before.  van halen did the same
for guitar heroics, but he did it in a way that resonated strongly with
the populace.  (c'mon, admit it, "hot for teacher" ***is*** catchy.)
   we may or may not agree with what the artist stood for -- but all the
people on the list had a pretty strong impact.

   another thing to look at is how your peers view you.  when i heard that
bruce springsteen and members of u2 were big fans of a young band called
marah, i checked them out.  (brilliant!!!)
   if you look at many of the artists on this list, you'll hear their
names being mentioned by other artists.

> exactly who these artists are is open to debate, but i'd definately
> include david bowie.

me too. and broooce, van the man, u2, rem, the beatles, and on and
on...

> so, that's my main gripe with such lists. they seem to miss the point
> of what being a "great artist" means, and confuse it with commercial
> success.

   methinks thou dost protest too much.  there's probably something you
could learn by listening to an album from everybody on this list, whether
or not the music moves you personally.  the *real* value of such things is
to generate discussion, which is happening now.
   good deal.

darius

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any list of this type is merely an indication of the opinions and prejudices
of its creators.....

it's really quite inspiring that 'underground' artists like the indigo girls
and ani made the list at all.....

don't let it spoil your day ;)

tim
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hey folks,

forwarded from the news-only list...

-sherlyn

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sorry this is after the fact. i just got the email.

lauren

a quicky reminder - kfog's live from the archives 7 (with mle's
acoustic version of eom) will go on sale tomorrow (tuesday,
november 14th) at all bay area wherehouse stores at 8 am pt for
$16.99 + tax.  a few thousand copies (5,000?) will also go on sale
through checkout.com for $16.99 + tax + shipping.  while they are
restricting sales to only 2 copies per person this year, the disk will
probably sell out quickly.  place your order early.

here's the track list:

ben harper - "steal my kisses"
counting crows - "mrs. potter's lullaby"
susan tedeschi - "it hurt so bad"
squeeze - "tempted"
indigo girls - "galileo"
joe satriani - "always with me, always with you"
kenny wayne shepherd - "where was i?"
melissa etheridge - "enough of me"
old 97's - "murder or a heart attack"
john popper - "miserable bastard"
wood - "stay you"
tori amos - "concertina"
jeremy toback - "you make me feel"
phish - "the inlaw josie wales"

btw, here's the direct url to lfta 7 at checkout.com:

http://www.checkout.com/music/title/info/0,,2179840,00.html?src=search

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at checkout.com = sold out

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there is a seperate series set to air mon 25 on vh1 at five pm est.  the
girls are still 79 and ani 90.  loretta lynn is 65.  i don't think she even
counts for a list of women in rock.  anyways.....
denise

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hey gang,

i took a quick look at the list,

truth of the matter......who didn't make the list?

joe
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hey, it's me again

(do i hear boo's and hisses?)

ummm, i guess i'll claim ignorant but what the hell is bonnie raitt doing at
#4 let alone on the list at all.

i only first heard of her in the '90's maybe late 80's with that "somthing to
talk about" thing.

please tell me how wrong i am and that she has been at this for like forever,
because other wise, with that list, carol king get's my vote for #4

joe
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in a message dated 11/15/00 7:51:05 pm pacific standard time,
sprdinosur@aol.com writes:

> please tell me how wrong i am and that she has been at this for like
forever,
> because other wise, with that list, carol king get's my vote for
you're wrong and she has been at this like forever.
:op

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the category was:
the indigo girls' female fans are upset to learn they unplugged.

or something like that.

the questions were
"what 1997 song was the first time the indigo girls used electric guitar?"

it was soy of course though the answer isn't right the year coincides....

but *we* knew that.

and then there was a question about lilith fair. i dont remember it
exactly.

this was the first time that the category wasn't there just to pick on ig.
the first time i saw a mention was "how many licks does it take to get to
the center of an ig" and it was questions about lf as well.

there was another time but no body picked the question

carol
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in a message dated 11/16/00 12:35:46 am eastern standard time,
chickenwomyn@hotmail.com writes:

<<
"how many licks does it take to get to
the center of an ig"
>>
lolololol!!!!
that is too funny. i dont' suppose that mr. owl could help?

ben stien: mr. owl, how many licks does it take to get to the center of an ig?

mr owl: don't know, they never let me find out!

joe
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hey all,
my husband and i just returned from vacation in new orleans, where he found
all of the ig rerelease cds in the sale bin at the tower megastore in the
french quarter, each for just $9.00...as i recall they were selling for
regular cd prices at our local store here in southern illinois. so if
you're near a tower and don't have them yet, you could check it out.
later,
michelle

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i haven't seen vh1 top 100 yet but i will after reading the emails i have here. i live in the philippines and i consider indigo girls as one of my top 5 greatest female artist. lately, i went to different record stores and ask if the new indigo girls album are available. i was surprised by the reactions of the sales lady, i don't know if i asked my question that they can barely hear it or they don't know what i am talking about, because they asked me to repeat my question. so i did they just ask each other and ended up telling me they don't have it yet. i really felt bad, that they don't know ig, they waste their time memorizing pop songs and artists and neglecting the fact that there are other artists who really produce quality music.

that is the culture here in the philippines, unfortunately, i have to live with it. i am happy i am in the ig mailing list, i can be updated with ig and at the same time share common thoughts of ig. i may not send more messages in the mailing lists, but i enjoy reading emails i received from the ig mailing list and with this i would like to address to you my gratitude. thanks to everybody in the list!

dposh1

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i was wondering talking about boots if there is any kind friend out there who
would be willing to make me boots of some of the unknown artists?
kris
p.s.
email me privately

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<html><body bgcolor="#ffffff"><font size=2 family="serif" face="times new roman" lang="0">i was wondering talking about boots if there is any kind friend out there who <br>would be willing to make me boots of some of the unknown artists?
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http://www.msnbc.com/news/487646.asp?0nm=-249

bootlegging as protected speech?

ryan

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yeah, and after no one answered the soy question he also said something to
the effect that he had never even heard of ig before...the lilith fair
question was so easy that you didn't even have to have it in the ig
catagory...of course, the female contestant got that one right...

rugbygrrl

>from: oyster toadfish <chickenwomyn@hotmail.com>
>subject: 'nother ig reference on ben stein
>date: thu, 16 nov 2000 00:30:13 est
>
>the category was:
>the indigo girls' female fans are upset to learn they unplugged.
>
>or something like that.
>
>the questions were
>"what 1997 song was the first time the indigo girls used electric guitar?"
>
>it was soy of course though the answer isn't right the year coincides....
>
>but *we* knew that.
>
>:)
>
>and then there was a question about lilith fair. i dont remember it
>exactly.
>
>this was the first time that the category wasn't there just to pick on ig.
>the first time i saw a mention was "how many licks does it take to get to
>the center of an ig" and it was questions about lf as well.
>
>there was another time but no body picked the question
>
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hi all,

power of two. everyone loves that song (and by everyone i mean a vast
majority. don't e-mail me saying you know of one person in an alabama prison
with only 3 fingers who says "it doesn't do it for me") personally i think it
is a little slow moving and a bit on the boreing side, but never-the-less an
absoultly beautiful song.

i have one problem with the lyrics, or i should say one line

"...the steel bars between me and a promice, suddenly bend with ease..."

to me, since the song is talking about her and her lover taking off on a road
trip and what they will mean to eachother and the world after there time is
up, that promice being made is one of fidelity to the lover.

so if the bars that hold the promice in place bend with ease, doesn't the
promice escape, and in turn the promice is broken.

i hear a negative conotation with that line (as great as the metaphor is) to
me is sounds like emily is singing happily about breaking a promice.

what do you hear?

hit it gang!

joe
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joe,

i'm visualizing the bars *between* her and the
promise; meaning, suddenly, she's freed to make the
promise or committment instead of holding back (her
once-caged soul, so to speak).

discuss. i'm vahclempt.

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<<"...the steel bars between me and a promice, suddenly bend with
ease..."...
so if the bars that hold the promice in place bend with ease, doesn't the
promice escape, and in turn the promice is broken.>>

the narrator has a problem with commitment. but no longer with this person.
so now the barrier that is stopping her giving her heart completely is
easily removed.
the steel bars between me and a promise, suddenly bend with ease.

no?

what i have a problem with:
(and in this example, life (the universe and everything) is represented by:
42)
you can multilply life by two (42 x 2),
you can raise life by the power of two (42^2),
but you can't multiply life by the power of two (42 x ^2).

nice metaphor, but it doesn't work. now that, my friends, is being picky.

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the bars are between her and the promise she wants to make, so when the bars
bend she's free to make that promise.
that's how i hear the song.

cool thread, joe.

maike.

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neil....you made me hurt my head and spew coffee!!!! no fair...( trying to =
dry off keyboard!!)

i have to echo the responses so far... as she ( narrator) was unable to =
make a promise because of "bars" literal or figurative she has now been =
able to move thru these as they bend ( other people bending in acceptance =
of her decisions) with ease...

funny how only after a significant personal experience do we re-visit the =
songs that have meant so much before an now have an added meaning....

thanks for the thread!!!!
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hey neil,

first excellent examply of being picky. i think we should bronze that and put
it in the town square.

i do have on problem with your equation. where did you get the 4?

joe
brooklyn,ny

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on thu, 16 nov 2000 10:30:04 est, sprdinosur@aol.com wrote:
> i have one problem with the lyrics, or i should say one line
>
> "...the steel bars between me and a promice, suddenly bend with ease..."
>

what i perceived from this line was "i made a promise to you and no
obstacles in the natural world would keep me from fulfilling/keeping that
promise."

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i have a question for the list.....i play guitar and sing and piano..there =
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small dilemma. not really a problem but i don't know wha tto do exactly...

if you love to play a song and enjoy it for what ever reason..and your =
partner tells you one fo the first times you play it that "that song" was =
"so and so and my favorite /theme song"

do you play it only when she is not around
do you play it regardless..because you like it...
do you play it and then sit there wondering if she is rememebring the =
times spent with so and so....

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cool deal everyone,

score one for jux-of-positioning. it seens i was the only one in the cage to
start with!

each responce said pretty much the same thing "now she is free to get to the
promice"

i like that.

but...... the next line, "the closer i'm bound in love with you the closer i
am to free" doesn't that have her escaping again.

we have bending steel bars, and becoming free. are we sure she wasn't "in"
the cage?

joe
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joe,

>>so if the bars that hold the promise in place bend with ease, doesn't
the promise escape, and in turn the promice is broken.<<

i think metaphorically that emily is speaking more of the steel bars
that keep her from making a promise... ie. a commitment. before this
partner that kind of promise was too hard for her to make, whatever
mental barriers there were (bars) that kept her from making it were too
hard for her to get through. but now, presumably truly in love, she is
able to bend those bars and achieve that promise easily.

just my take.

jean

--- joe agueci <sprdinosur@aol.com> wrote:
> hi all,
>
> power of two. everyone loves that song (and by everyone i mean a vast
> majority. don't e-mail me saying you know of one person in an alabama
> prison
> with only 3 fingers who says "it doesn't do it for me") personally i
> think it
> is a little slow moving and a bit on the boreing side, but
> never-the-less an
> absoultly beautiful song.
>
> i have one problem with the lyrics, or i should say one line
>
> "...the steel bars between me and a promice, suddenly bend with
> ease..."
>
> to me, since the song is talking about her and her lover taking off
> on a road
> trip and what they will mean to eachother and the world after there
> time is
> up, that promice being made is one of fidelity to the lover.
>
> so if the bars that hold the promice in place bend with ease, doesn't
> the
> promice escape, and in turn the promice is broken.
>
> i hear a negative conotation with that line (as great as the metaphor
> is) to
> me is sounds like emily is singing happily about breaking a promice.
>
> what do you hear?
>
> hit it gang!
>
>
> joe
> brooklyn,ny
>
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for me , i can relate to this as mean thus...
the cage per say is the status of not being out to your family /friends =
or them not accepting it.=20

although in writing that...it doesn't have to mean out...as for sexuality..=
.perhaps the one you are in ove with just doesn't fit the family idea of =
who you should be with...still relating to non acceptance of the family....=

the ability to see their acceptance begin..the bending of bars and then =
...... the next line, "the closer i'm bound in love with you the closer i
am to free"=20

to me represents the fact that being in love gives one such a feeling of =
security and inner strength that you have the strength and confidence to =
break out of the perceived "proper" relationship or the "guidelines" that =
have been set or implied by the family.=20

knowing that you have someone on your side, who loves you and you love =
them....gives you the "added hit of bravery if you will " to stand up for =
yourself, your love and your own decisions....

sparkie

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no?
>
>what i have a problem with:
>(and in this example, life (the universe and everything) is represented by:
>42)
>you can multilply life by two (42 x 2),
>you can raise life by the power of two (42^2),
>but you can't multiply life by the power of two (42 x ^2).
>
>nice metaphor, but it doesn't work. now that, my friends, is being picky.

yes, neil, but who's tin of biscuits were they really?

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<<but...... the next line, "the closer i'm bound in love with you the closer
i am to free" doesn't that have her escaping again.>>

i figure if you're with your one true soulmate* totally and completely,
nothing else matters.
screw the world, you're free to be yourself, be what you're like, be like
youself. whistling... whistling... whistling in the dark...

yes, it's obscure reference thursday here in neilyland.

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>what i have a problem with:
>(and in this example, life (the universe and everything) is represented by:
>42)
>you can multilply life by two (42 x 2),
>you can raise life by the power of two (42^2),
>but you can't multiply life by the power of two (42 x ^2).

yes neil, but who's tin of biscuits was it really?

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on thu, 16 nov 2000, loralei riney wrote:

> do you play it only when she is not around
> do you play it regardless..because you like it...
> do you play it and then sit there wondering if she is rememebring the
> times spent with so and so....

a solution:

you should only play aerosmith songs.

if lyrics about making it with 16 year old girls cause her to
reminisce about so and so, then you probably should dump her.

kidding! kidding!

darius

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lori,

i sent this to you and to the list because i would like other to play a
little devils advocate with me.

i also play the guitar and piano (piano being my forte). i used to spend a
lot of time with a friend named stacy. she had a voice that in all honesty
riveled amy's!!!

she was amazing! melissia ethridige would back off and say "whoa!!!!" at the
power pouring from this girls throat.

amyray (i'm steeling that! imatatoin is the greatest form of flatery!) stacy
and i were teaming up as a song writing team. her and i both play music and
write. she had this one song, i can't remember the title, but oh man was it
awesome. it was a powerfull sultry love song that sent chills all over my
body, and then she admited it still gave her chills. she had written it a
year or two before.

but then.... (enter soap opera plot twist music - ba-ba-bum!!) her girlfriend
came in!!! the two of them then got into a fight, that i was "oh, so lucky"
to be a part of about the fact that that song was writen for an ex-lover of
stacy's.

my philosophy is this. songs, as much as a part of expression of feelings
toward an emotion, an event or a person are also, if not first, art.

feelings change all the time. that's what makes us human, but the art, the
art stays pure, it is a snap shot of passion and no one should tell someone
else that they can't share it.

what would happen if michael angelo came to rome one day and said, "you know
what, i'm an athiest now. i want everyone to stop looking at the sisteen
chapel, i don't feel that way anymore!"

here's the thing lori, whether you play the song, or it is on the cd player,
if your girlfriend is going to have it spark a memory, then the song is doing
it's job.

what about what the song means to you! are you willing to give up your
emotions?

she is with you, and should count for something (and if it don't great, now
you know, and you can make a dection to move on).

play the song, don't worry about what she is thinking, maybe, you can
re-associate the imagery for her. maybe the song can remind her of you.

don't let someone, anyone, censor art. play the song

the abundlently sad point of the story. stacy stoped playing the song.
so, now the world will have to go with out it. and that is an injustice to
stacy, her would be audiance and the god who gave her the gift and abilities
to create such a beautiful peice of art.

joe
brooklyn,ny

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joe

by saying "the closer i'm bound in love to you the closer i am to free" emily
means that if you really love someone, the promise of staying with them for
better or worse isn't holding you back or caging you in any way but getting
to spend a lifetime with them is the ultimate freedom.

maike.

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i also sing in a band and have had many a memory singin' in front of
x-lovers,fav songs,and such.my advice is to continue to play these in front
of your lover,cause eventually the memories wil be of you sharing your love
through song not about moments spent w/ an ex(we all have 'em don't we??)
never compromise yourself artisticly,or personally!!good luck &rock on!!!!"
"when i tried to make it more it was always less,and there's a thin line
between pleasin" yourself&and pleasin' somebody else"!!!!

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okay so, i wrote and performed in this play that had a lot to do with an
ex-of mine. when it was performed, my current girlfriend of course saw it,
but since she's basically the coolest person on earth, she totally
understood that it wasn't about the ex but about the art.
however if someone expressly asks that a song not be played around them
because it upsets them, or if one does not want to encourage the person one
is in a relationship with to think about an ex, than one should certainly
not sing the song in front of her. that's what i think anyway. and i'm
teling all of you this because i want the semester to be over and i don't
want to study for any exams anymore.

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for what it's worth, i'm going to openly disagree with the strosenblum post.

not playing a song becuase someone askes you not to is hitting that slipery
slope and teetering on co-dependency.

the jester is one of "i love you and will do what i can to make you happy"
but it's short sighted in that shouldn't the partner say "i love you, and
know that you are singing a song, not professing feelings to someone else"

joe
brooklyn,ny

by the way, good deal to hear from a fellow playwrite. i disagree with your
post, but like your talents as a fellow writer

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i was going to age with joe on the last note completly.....however, as i =
was thinking it..another thought came to mind....

if the song( or what ever a movie a food etc) brings back memories which =
are of an abusive, painful, etc event then perhaps i would not play =
it.....not because of the " i'll do what you want...." but because i don't =
want to casue you any pain....

and i might also then follow up with....do you need to talk about =
it...with me or another? ....

if the piece merely brings back memories that do not cause pain...that si =
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at 02:02 pm 11/16/00 -0500, joe agueci wrote:
and i have to disagree with joe
sometimes songs have painful associations to people and it's nice to
respect that and not cause the person you're dating pain. however, if she
keeps saying, about different songs, "i can't hear this now, it just hurts
too much, reminds me of my ex, was our song," etc, then i'd be worried
about her pulling strings.
but if it's just one, or maybe two...don't play it. but be aware. i mean,
jeez, we shouldn't be too paranoid about the people we love.
sharon

>for what it's worth, i'm going to openly disagree with the strosenblum post.
>
>not playing a song becuase someone askes you not to is hitting that slipery
>slope and teetering on co-dependency.
>
>the jester is one of "i love you and will do what i can to make you happy"
>but it's short sighted in that shouldn't the partner say "i love you, and
>know that you are singing a song, not professing feelings to someone else"
>
>joe
>brooklyn,ny

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agreed,

memories that invoke pain = bad

memories that that invoke a time in life that you aren't so happy about = get
over it

joe
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the category was:
the indigo girls' female fans are upset to learn they unplugged.

or something like that.

>the questions were
>"what 1997 song was the first time the indigo girls >used electric guitar?"
>
>it was soy of course though the answer isn't right the >year coincides....
>
>but *we* knew that.
>
>:)

horrible question and totally wrong! it is so
wrong i only have three words to say about it:

touch me fall!!!!!!

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<<>"what 1997 song was the first time the indigo girls used electric
guitar?" it was soy of course though the answer isn't right the year
coincides.... but *we* knew that.

horrible question and totally wrong! it is so
wrong i only have three words to say about it:

touch me fall!!!!!!>>

tried to be true anyone?

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in a message dated thu, 16 nov 2000 3:02:15 pm eastern standard time, "neil
:o\)" <neil@andineil.com> writes:

<<>"what 1997 song was the first time the indigo girls used electric
guitar?" it was soy of course though the answer isn't right the year
coincides.... but *we* knew that.

horrible question and totally wrong! it is so
wrong i only have three words to say about it:

touch me fall!!!!!!>>

tried to be true anyone?

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good song but doesn't count. the electric guitar
players were emily and rem's peter buck! ;)

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sent this privately but thought i'd share it here.

http://community.webtv.net/ritesofpassage9/foreverindigogirls

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<<the steel bars between me and a promice, suddenly bend with ease.>>

hmmm. i don't hear too many negative connotations there, maybe emily's
not talking about her partner when she says,"promise."

to me the steel bars, are not something that holds the committment
together, but something that was blocking the connection between them,
and so the bars bending in that sense is a good thing, made it easier to
make the committment. it was a kodac moment, ya know?

peace
barb

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hey all,

fyi, this cd went on sale on the 14th and sold out in 36 hours. it is
no longer available anywhere.

jean

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> date: wed, 15 nov 2000 10:39:46 est
> from: nakedeye10@aol.com
> subject: [ig-news] kfog cd
>
> sorry this is after the fact.  i just got the email.
>
> lauren
>
> a quicky reminder - kfog's live from the archives 7 (with mle's
> acoustic version of eom) will go on sale tomorrow (tuesday,
> november 14th) at all bay area wherehouse stores at 8 am pt for
> $16.99 + tax.  a few thousand copies (5,000?) will also go on sale
> through checkout.com for $16.99 + tax + shipping.  while they are
> restricting sales to only 2 copies per person this year, the disk
> will
> probably sell out quickly.  place your order early.
>
> here's the track list:
>
> ben harper - "steal my kisses"
> counting crows - "mrs. potter's lullaby"
> susan tedeschi - "it hurt so bad"
> squeeze - "tempted"
> indigo girls - "galileo"
> joe satriani - "always with me, always with you"
> kenny wayne shepherd - "where was i?"
> melissa etheridge - "enough of me"
> old 97's - "murder or a heart attack"
> john popper - "miserable bastard"
> wood - "stay you"
> tori amos - "concertina"
> jeremy toback - "you make me feel"
> phish - "the inlaw josie wales"
>
> btw, here's the direct url to lfta 7 at checkout.com:
>
>
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<<>"what 1997 song was the first time the indigo girls used electric
guitar?" it was soy of course though the answer isn't right the year
coincides.... but *we* knew that.
horrible question and totally wrong! it is so
wrong i only have three words to say about it:
touch me fall!!!!!!>>

neil: tried to be true anyone?

good call, neil! peter buck from rem and emily both used electric guitars on
tried to be true...

brian : )
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i thought "touch me fall" was their first song to have electric guitar?

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in a message dated 11/16/00 12:22:06 pm pacific standard time,
neil@andineil.com writes:

> touch me fall!!!!!!>>
>
> tried to be true anyone?
>
there was some electric on strange fire! that was before eponymous right?

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center stage has electric guitar too

then , "this train" and of course "touch me fall", "joanus and ezkeial" too

heck for that matter "123"!!!

yeah, point being folks, the tv show was wrong.

joe
brooklyn,ny

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<<> tried to be true anyone?

there was some electric on strange fire! that was before eponymous right?>>

it all depends on whether you interperet 'used' to mean 'played themselves'
or not.

and if it's the latter, whether they both have to play for it to count.

basically, and so as to end all discussions, all that matters is that it was
a lame question, especially for indigo geeks like us. 1997 indeed...

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i live in the sf bay area and bought one. i'm willing to make copies
for some folks if they are willing to make a charitable donation to
any organization that the girls support or to a local(for them)
homeless/food bank program.

contact me at tcl58@aol.com not at this email address (it's my work
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hey, didn't we have this discussion about the impossibility of
muliplying by the power of two way, way, back when? :-)

btw-do we have access to those archives from 1994?

>
> what i have a problem with:
> (and in this example, life (the universe and everything) is represented by:
> 42)
> you can multilply life by two (42 x 2),
> you can raise life by the power of two (42^2),
> but you can't multiply life by the power of two (42 x ^2).
>
> nice metaphor, but it doesn't work. now that, my friends, is being picky.

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although i think that what is happening is that life is being multiplied by
power, and it happens to be the power contained within two individuals.

42 x energizer(2)

or something.

bonster wrote:

> hey, didn't we have this discussion about the impossibility of
> muliplying by the power of two way, way, back when? :-)
>
> btw-do we have access to those archives from 1994?
>
> >
> > what i have a problem with:
> > (and in this example, life (the universe and everything) is represented by:
> > 42)
> > you can multilply life by two (42 x 2),
> > you can raise life by the power of two (42^2),
> > but you can't multiply life by the power of two (42 x ^2).
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> > nice metaphor, but it doesn't work. now that, my friends, is being picky.
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the category was actually:

the indigo girl's female fans were upset to hear that they were plugged.

"plugged" being the operative word. it wasn't necessarily a flattering
remark.

as for the question... it was all in the phrasing. they asked which ig song
released in 1997 was their first to "feature" the electric guitar.
i'm sure we could debate that for years :)

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i remember some years ago i used to watch the sifl and ollie show on mtv it
was the only thing i would watch on evil corporate mtv it was holarious and
very organic (despite the fact that it was on mtv) i don't know if any of you
were able to watch it and i'm not sure if it is still on air (i had my cable
turned off do to my own corporate boycott) but it was two guys that just did
a simple puppet show with socks and their dialoge, songs and imagination were
awesome....anyways to get to my point, and i do have one, there was this
recurring character in there called "precious roy" and he was kinda strange
and yelled out things that made no sense to what was going on, but me and my
friend were sitting there and all of a sudden he said "my name is precious
roy and i like the indigo girls"did anyone else see that??? now i don't know
if that was a stab or anything but we couldn't believe it here this is one of
our fav shows and they mentioned our fav musicians!!! sweet!!! 'wether it was
a jab at them or not it was so kewl!!! anyways just thought i would tell you
this long and pseudo piontless story lol!!! take care y'all!!!!

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so, we should all write ben stein and tell them of the mistake.

this is pressing ;-)

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http://www.comcentral.com/bstein/index.shtml

"if you think you can blow mr. ben stein like a nose, e-mail the show at futility@futility.com please include your daytime and home phone numbers as well as your address."

this isn't their "complaint line", but i'm sure it would do.

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so, we should all write ben stein and tell them of the mistake.

this is pressing ;-)

carol

i cant find an addy though :(
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<<<screw the world, you're free to be yourself, be what you're like, be like
youself. whistling... whistling... whistling in the dark...

yes, it's obscure reference thursday here in neilyland.>>>

not to be random, but i have always thought that the girls should cover
this... whistling in the dark by tmbg

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i think what the question was getting at is that touch me fall is the first
song where amy and emily are both playing only electric guitars. think about
it, even this new loud amy stuff still has acoustic in it. okay, the end.
-sam (you're older that you've ever been and now you're even older)

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are any of the reissues packaged in that carbourd flip-it-open cover that i
think is called a digipac or something? i went to tower and all the reissues
were in a plastic case and i really like the carboard cover. do they exist?
thanks
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> are any of the reissues packaged in that carbourd flip-it-open cover that
i
> think is called a digipac or something? i went to tower and all the
reissues
> were in a plastic case and i really like the carboard cover. do they
exist?

at the tower records i went to, all the reissues they had available were in
the digipak. as a result, i have the "rites of passage" remaster, as well
as "retrospective," in the digipak case.

so yeah, i think it's safe to say that they exist . . . ;)

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hey all,

i know i will probably get flamed. ok, so be it.

but i wanted to let you guys (especially those of you on aol) know what
happened to me tonight.

while i was online getting caught up on some e-mail, a stranger im'd me.
this happens often.  (usually people iming me and most other women are men
looking for sex...)  i like to test the waters first, find out what someone
is all about before completely ignoring them.  anyway, so this person (sorry,
i am not giving the screen name...) started chatting with me.  she introduced
herself as amy.  great, it is a common name, heaps of amy's out there.  then
she asked me where i was from (after telling me that she is from ga but is
always on the road), and when i mentioned that i grew up in chicago, she said
that she remembers chicago because she had surgery there.  things started
getting fishy.  she was telling me that she was a religion major and that it
was a rocky ride learning to express herself, but that she can do it now
through music.  she went on and on, drawing every parallel to amy ray (even
using "ya'll").

i wanted to say something, but for some reason i didn't.  finally, she told
me to go to bed and listen to her music and look at her website.  that is
when i commented that i knew what she was up to and that i am not dumb enough
to fall for it.  she made some comment about having "nothing to hide" and i
signed off.

now, i am not stupid. i know that amy ray would not be randomly iming fans
on aol at 1am her time. man, i would be quite surprised if amy ray even had
aol in the first place (ya know, supporting smaller companies, etc).

a few things majorly bother me about this incident.  first and foremost,
isn't it totally illegal to pretend to be someone that you are not?
especially someone famous?  secondly, (and mainly) what if i had been some
younger, new fan of the indigo girls and had fallen for this thinking that
amy ray was really actually talking to me?  i am sure that one day i would
have found out that it was not true, and i would have been devistated.  the
reason i bring this up is because one of my friends studet taught (middle
school) last semester.  she had a student come into class one day all excited
because the student had been on aol the night before and had talked to one of
the backstreet boys (or one of those boy bands.  i really get them all
confused).  needless to say, the thing was a hoax.  the student found out (i
think her mother e-mailed the band's management to report this) and was
devistated.  incidents like the one i had this evening can really disappoint
a child.  i think that is why i am so bothered.  luckily for me, i am 23, and
a long time fan of the indigo girls.  i am not naive or stupid.  i knew that
this was a hoax (it has actually happened to me before, but not with the
indigo girls, with another famous person i admire).  i just waited a while to
say anything.  maybe i should have said something sooner.  who knows.

anyway, i just wanted to point this out to you all.  i am sure there really
isn't anything i can do about it, but venting does help :-)  also, if anyone
on aol has had a similar experience, please e-mail me (privately).  i am
interested in seeing if the same person is doing this often.

sorry to clog up the list, but i think this needed to be posted.

good night.

:-) karen

ps- and if by some chance this person happens to be on the list, i would
highly suggest that you stop fuc*ing with people (or trying to). it's not
cool at all.

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<html><font size=2>hey all,
<br>
<br>i know i will probably get flamed. ok, so be it.
<br>
<br>but i wanted to let you guys (especially those of you on aol) know what <br>happened to me tonight.
<br>
<br>while i was online getting caught up on some e-mail, a stranger im'd me. <br>this happens often. (usually people iming me and most other women are men <br>looking for sex...) i like to test the waters first, find out what someone <br>is all about before completely ignoring them. anyway, so this person (sorry, <br>i am not giving the screen name...) started chatting with me. she introduced <br>herself as amy. great, it is a common name, heaps of amy's out there. then <br>she asked me where i was from (after telling me that she is from ga but is <br>always on the road), and when i mentioned that i grew up in chicago, she said <br>that she remembers chicago because she had surgery there. things started <br>getting fishy. she was telling me that she was a religion major and that it <br>was a rocky ride learning to express herself, but that she can do it now <br>through music. she went on and on, drawing every parallel!
to amy ray (even <br>using "ya'll").
<br>
<br>i wanted to say something, but for some reason i didn't. finally, she told <br>me to go to bed and listen to her music and look at her website. that is <br>when i commented that i knew what she was up to and that i am not dumb enough <br>to fall for it. she made some comment about having "nothing to hide" and i <br>signed off.
<br>
<br>now, i am not stupid. i know that amy ray would not be randomly iming fans <br>on aol at 1am her time. man, i would be quite surprised if amy ray even had <br>aol in the first place (ya know, supporting smaller companies, etc).
<br>
<br>a few things majorly bother me about this incident. first and foremost, <br>isn't it totally illegal to pretend to be someone that you are not? <br>especially someone famous? secondly, (and mainly) what if i had been some <br>younger, new fan of the indigo girls and had fallen for this thinking that <br>amy ray was really actually talking to me? i am sure that one day i would <br>have found out that it was not true, and i would have been devistated. the <br>reason i bring this up is because one of my friends studet taught (middle <br>school) last semester. she had a student come into class one day all excited <br>because the student had been on aol the night before and had talked to one of <br>the backstreet boys (or one of those boy bands. i really get them all <br>confused). needless to say, the thing was a hoax. the student found out (i <br>think her mother e-mailed the band's management to report this) and was <br>d!
evistated. incidents like the one i had this evening can really disappoint <br>a child. i think that is why i am so bothered. luckily for me, i am 23, and <br>a long time fan of the indigo girls. i am not naive or stupid. i knew that <br>this was a hoax (it has actually happened to me before, but not with the <br>indigo girls, with another famous person i admire). i just waited a while to <br>say anything. maybe i should have said something sooner. who knows.
<br>
<br>anyway, i just wanted to point this out to you all. i am sure there really <br>isn't anything i can do about it, but venting does help :-) also, if anyone <br>on aol has had a similar experience, please e-mail me (privately). i am <br>interested in seeing if the same person is doing this often.
<br>
<br>sorry to clog up the list, but i think this needed to be posted.
<br>
<br>good night.
<br>
<br>:-) karen
<br>
<br>ps- and if by some chance this person happens to be on the list, i would <br>highly suggest that you stop fuc*ing with people (or trying to). it's not <br>cool at all.
<br>
<br>----
<br>
<br>"got to learn to respect what we don't understand" -- amy ray, indigo girls
<br>http://www.geocities.com/karen_rosenblum</font></html>

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i think everyone should realize that the internet is like a fantasy world.
people should not take anything at face value here, especially unsolicited
information. i can't imagine what people get out of doing things like this,
it just wastes everyones time and energy.
personally, i never open email or respond to instant messages unless i know
their origin.
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in a message dated 11/17/2000 2:39:14 am eastern standard time, bmw87k100
writes:

> i think everyone should realize that the internet is like a fantasy world.
> people should not take anything at face value here, especially unsolicited
> information. i can't imagine what people get out of doing things like
> this, it just wastes everyones time and energy.

*i agree 100%.  i think that sometimes people take things said online too
seriously.  the reason i pointed this out is because i do not want anyone
(especially a younger ig fan) to get hurt by this.  :-)

> personally, i never open email or respond to instant messages unless i know
> their origin.

that is a good idea. but personally, sometimes random meaningless online
chat with strangers can be hilarious. (very entertaining).

:-) karen

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<html><font  size=2 family="sansserif" face="arial" lang="0">in a message dated 11/17/2000 2:39:14 am eastern standard time, bmw87k100 <br>writes:
<br>
<br>
<br></font><font  color="#000000" size=3 family="script" face="comic sans ms" lang="0"><blockquote type=cite style="border-left: #0000ff 2px solid; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px">i think everyone should realize that the internet is like a fantasy world. <br>people should not take anything at face value here, especially unsolicited <br>information. i can't imagine what people get out of doing things like <br>this, it just wastes everyones time and energy. </font><font  color="#000000" size=3 family="script" face="comic sans ms" lang="0"></blockquote>
<br>
<br></font><font  color="#000000" size=3 family="script" face="comic sans ms" lang="0">
<br>*i agree 100%. i think that sometimes people take things said online too <br>seriously. the reason i pointed this out is because i do not want anyone <br>(especially a younger ig fan) to get hurt by this. :-)
<br>
<br></font><font  color="#000000" size=3 family="script" face="comic sans ms" lang="0">
<br></font><font  color="#000000" size=3 family="script" face="comic sans ms" lang="0"><blockquote type=cite style="border-left: #0000ff 2px solid; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px">personally, i never open email or respond to instant messages unless i know <br>their origin. </font><font  color="#000000" size=2 family="script" face="comic sans ms" lang="0"></blockquote>
<br></font><font  color="#000000" size=2 family="sansserif" face="arial" lang="0">
<br>
<br>that is a good idea. but personally, sometimes random meaningless online <br>chat with strangers can be hilarious. (very entertaining).
<br>
<br>:-) karen
<br>
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<br>
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in a message dated 11/16/00 11:44:55 pm pacific standard time,
indigokare@aol.com writes:

> that is a good idea.  but personally, sometimes random meaningless online
>  chat with strangers can be hilarious.  (very entertaining).
maybe, but i still think it's not worth the risk.  i and the few i know who
have these simple rules have never had a virus or an excess of spam.
....spam, wonderful spam, ...spam spam spam spam spammmm!
sorry monty python got the better of me for a moment.

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>
> cool thread, joe.
>
joe??? with a cool thread? not pissing everyone off? be still my heart!

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in a message dated 11/17/00 4:24:25 am eastern standard time,
timlynlist@home.com writes:

<< joe??? with a cool thread? not pissing everyone off? be still my heart!
>>

lol!!

sometimes it happens tim,

i do have a dr. jekyl side after all!

joe
brooklyn,ny

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okay, this really makes me mad!!!  the only freakin reason that i ordered
from tower instead of just going to the store and buying the remastered
discs is so that i could get the bonus cd.  now after waiting for how long i
am not going to get it!  i am so mad about this!

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by the way folks...i finally got the reissue of indigo girls on mini disc from cdnow.com it takes about 3 weeks, but worth it if you want them this way...

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hi,
    first, karen, thanks for warning us about that person online. it is scary
that someone would prey on someone like that, or, if prey is too strong a
word, then play with someone's head like that. good for you not to fall for
it.
    i generally agree that you have to be careful with people online, because
it is a lot of fantasy world out there, but i also (knock wood) have had some
great times with people i've met online...through email mostly, not an im out
of the blue, though. although there is one person i know who hailed me one
friday night in late august after something i wrote on the sonia/disappear
fear list that day. well, two hours of a great conversation later, i think
we've struck up a friendship, keep in touch regularly (as in several times a
week) and i look forward to the day we actually meet. for my mind, i think it
is a bit karmic, in that if you are yourself in the cyberworld, you attract
like-minded people back to you. (for the karmic-ly impaired, the biblical
version is, you reap what you sow.)
    and about this particular person, since i'm dying to tell someone this!!!
we were chatting last night and i mentioned to her that my annual
gynecological exam is monday and she asked whether such a thing is necessary
for lesbians. and i told her -- and am telling y'all here!! -- it is
absolutely necessary. it is part of taking good care of yourself. the exam
also is valuable in detecting cancer via the pap smear and breast exam, when
you are not checking yourself....but of course, i know everyone here already
does self-exam. so, i did my part to help my friend understand the need to
see a gynecologist yearly, even if a lesbian, and perhaps ensure that she
will be around to be friends for a very long time.
take care,
deb

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date:         fri, 17 nov 2000 12:02:53 -0500
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totally tangential, totally nigc, but what'ya gonna do?

<<but of course, i know everyone here already does self-exam.>>

and if you don't or just want a li'l chuckle (and have a decent internet
connection)
http://www.adcritic.com/content/breast-cancer-society-of-canada-cam-exam.htm
l

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date:         fri, 17 nov 2000 12:44:47 est
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hey!

ok, i wanted to make a few comments on my post about the amy ray impersonator
on aol. a few issues have been raised to me (both via list mail and private
mail).

first of all, i do know why this person decided to "play" with me.  my screen
name *is* "indigokare," and my profile does have references to the indigo
girls.  as i said, it has happened once before (though not with the indigo
girls, with another famous person who was referred to in my old profile).
knowing from the get go that this was a hoax, i was not fooled by this for a
moment.  i am really not that stupid.  i am also not going to change my
screen name or profile.  i have every right to openly say that i like the
indigo girls without having to deal with freaks who mistake me for an idiot.
:-)

secondly, a lot of people have e-mailed me that this (or similar incidents)
have happened to them.  i sent these people the screen name of the idividual
to try to figure out if this is a pattern of this person.  if it is, i am
going to report it to aol and possibly see if there is a way to report it to
ig management or epic.  the reason that i did not report this to aol last
night was because they wouldn't have done anything.  there was nothing in the
"conversation" that was vulgur or sexually harassing.  this would have been
too hard for aol to investigate.  and since aol doesn't really do much about
people who *really* violate their terms of service, i am sure nothing would
have been done.

just a few thoughts. i want to thank everyone who responded (either through
the list or private mail). and again, if you have had a similar experience,
please let me know!

:-) karen

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<html><font size=2>hey!
<br>
<br>ok, i wanted to make a few comments on my post about the amy ray impersonator <br>on aol. a few issues have been raised to me (both via list mail and private <br>mail).
<br>
<br>first of all, i do know why this person decided to "play" with me. my screen <br>name *is* "indigokare," and my profile does have references to the indigo <br>girls. as i said, it has happened once before (though not with the indigo <br>girls, with another famous person who was referred to in my old profile). <br>knowing from the get go that this was a hoax, i was not fooled by this for a <br>moment. i am really not that stupid. i am also not going to change my <br>screen name or profile. i have every right to openly say that i like the <br>indigo girls without having to deal with freaks who mistake me for an idiot. <br>:-)
<br>
<br>secondly, a lot of people have e-mailed me that this (or similar incidents) <br>have happened to them. i sent these people the screen name of the idividual <br>to try to figure out if this is a pattern of this person. if it is, i am <br>going to report it to aol and possibly see if there is a way to report it to <br>ig management or epic. the reason that i did not report this to aol last <br>night was because they wouldn't have done anything. there was nothing in the <br>"conversation" that was vulgur or sexually harassing. this would have been <br>too hard for aol to investigate. and since aol doesn't really do much about <br>people who *really* violate their terms of service, i am sure nothing would <br>have been done.
<br>
<br>just a few thoughts. i want to thank everyone who responded (either through <br>the list or private mail). and again, if you have had a similar experience, <br>please let me know!
<br>
<br>:-) karen
<br>
<br>
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thanks much for letting us know! *goes off to order them*

-- sarah

on fri, 17 nov 2000, dee yellowlees wrote:

> by the way folks...i finally got the reissue of indigo girls on mini disc from cdnow.com it takes about 3 weeks, but worth it if you want them this way...
>
> d:)
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hi,

i'm amy ray.

i'm find the florida old people and their bingo playing, mahjong piece
flippin, denture cleaning, blue wig wearing, "give me another chance to vote"
methods of slowing down the country complealy repulsive!!!!

joe
brooklyn,ny

i mean amy ray,
athens, ga!!!

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and i'm confused as to the purpose of this post...

at 01:36 pm 11/17/00 -0500, joe agueci wrote:
>hi,
>
>i'm amy ray.
>
>i'm find the florida old people and their bingo playing, mahjong piece
>flippin, denture cleaning, blue wig wearing, "give me another chance to vote"
>methods of slowing down the country complealy repulsive!!!!
>
>
>
>
>joe
>brooklyn,ny

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oh my,

i didn't realize so many would be interested. :-)
wow. i've got several requests and have responded to these folks.
unfortunately, i am maxed out now. i think making these could have been a
full time job. <vvbg>
if i get some more time after the holidays are through i will post again and
take a new set of requests. for now, though, unless i've already responded to
your emails, i will have to turn any newcomers away.

thanks
tami

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date:         fri, 17 nov 2000 12:58:23 -0600
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joe,
you screwed up! you put your name at the bottom. and here i really thought
that was amy typing that message. (just kidding of course)

mi rinda

"try making one and one make one. twist the shapes until everything
comes undone." - emily saliers

e-mail me at mirinda.kovacs@westgroup.com

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hi,

i'm amy ray.

i'm find the florida old people and their bingo playing, mahjong piece
flippin, denture cleaning, blue wig wearing, "give me another chance to
vote"
methods of slowing down the country complealy repulsive!!!!

joe
brooklyn,ny

i mean amy ray,
athens, ga!!!

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>  -----original message-----
> from:         catherine spinale
> sent: friday, november 17, 2000 3:14 pm
> to:   'indig0-girls@netspace.org'
> subject:      re:  fake amy on aol
>
> wow, this is a little disturbing.  i'm not an on-line chatter, but i do
> get spam on my hotmail
> account and you should see what comes to my mailbox sometimes.  but, if i
> don't recognize
> the address, i immediately block sender.
>
> my question would be, if it is a stranger, how the heck do they know you
> (karen in this case) are
> an amy ray fan in the first place?  could it be someone who knows you love
> ig is playing with your head? if you are one to post on the bulletin
> board, maybe someone has gotten ahold of your addy and wanted to have fun
> at your expense (nasty), or maybe you exchanged addy's with someone at a
> show.
> i don't know -- it's puzzling.
>
> happy friday.
> c

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>from what i've been able to deduce, certain people with "fake" screen names
are typing in various and asundry words, like "indigo girls," "music," or, in
my case "claud," into the aol search engine for aol members.

they then send out loverly spam on porn, casino's, weight loss, etc. to the
people they find. why, i dunno.

i'm talking about spam, mind you, not fake im's.

if you look at the "to:" list on some of these e-mails, then, check out
screen names, or look up these other people's screen names, you'll find the
similarities.

sheesh. i wish these people would find better things to do with their time.

spam, spam, spam....not a good thing!

:-) claudia

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<html><body bgcolor="#ffffff"><font size=2>from what i've been able to deduce, certain people with "fake" screen names <br>are typing in various and asundry words, like "indigo girls," "music," or, in <br>my case "claud," into the aol search engine for aol members.
<br>
<br>they then send out loverly spam on porn, casino's, weight loss, etc. to the <br>people they find. why, i dunno.
<br>
<br>i'm talking about spam, mind you, not fake im's.
<br>
<br>if you look at the "to:" list on some of these e-mails, then, check out <br>screen names, or look up these other people's screen names, you'll find the <br>similarities.
<br>
<br>sheesh. i wish these people would find better things to do with their time.
<br>
<br>spam, spam, spam....not a good thing!
<br>
<br>:-) claudia</font></html>

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> >what i have a problem with:
> >(and in this example, life (the universe and everything) is represented by:
> >42)
> >you can multilply life by two (42 x 2),
> >you can raise life by the power of two (42^2),
> >but you can't multiply life by the power of two (42 x ^2).
> >
> >nice metaphor, but it doesn't work. now that, my friends, is being picky.

okay, but wait a minute. it's been a really long time, here, but what if
life were, say, (x^2-5)? then you have, do you not,:
multiply life by two 2(x^2-5)
or multiply life by power of two (x^2-5)^2
which would give you x^4-10x^2+25, right?

chris ii

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nice try, chris.

as a math teacher, i can tell you that your math is right, but you're still
either raising life to the power of two or multiplying life by itself.
neil's point, while pedantic and silly (exactly his aim, i think) still
stands. you can't multiply anything by the power of two. you can, however,
multiply it by _a_ power of two, i.e. 7x8= 7x 2^3

hope that helps
alison

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is my email broken??? why is the list so quiet today???

haha i'm kidding... i know you all hate those posts.

no, really, i am on a girls listening spree this afternoon and noticed some
stuff in 2 songs that i hadn't before...

1. the way emily says "honey" in leaving (ie honey all i wanna do is go)
reminds me of the way honey is said in that grease song: "you're the one that
i want, ooh ooh ooh honey"

2. remember the 80s song "gloria" sung by laura branigan made popular by
flashdance [admit it... you know you've all seen it and loved it]... anyway,
some of the chords from "we are together" sound just like a slowed down
version of gloria to me

ok, so maybe "honey" is a stretch but i really hear gloria in we are
together!! has someone else mentioned this before? have i been smoking too
much crack or does anyone else know what i'm talking about? :)

megan

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<html><font size=2>
<br>
<br>is my email broken??? why is the list so quiet today???
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>haha i'm kidding... i know you all hate those posts.
<br>
<br>no, really, i am on a girls listening spree this afternoon and noticed some <br>stuff in 2 songs that i hadn't before...
<br>
<br>1. the way emily says "honey" in leaving (ie honey all i wanna do is go) <br>reminds me of the way honey is said in that grease song: "you're the one that <br>i want, ooh ooh ooh honey"
<br>
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<br>
<br>ok, so maybe "honey" is a stretch but i really hear gloria in we are <br>together!! has someone else mentioned this before? have i been smoking too <br>much crack or does anyone else know what i'm talking about? :)
<br>
<br>megan</font></html>

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i guess we'll have to petition amy and emily to sing "multiply life by a
factor of two" from now on. or how about "adding up the total of a love
that's true... raise the value of life to the second power." ?

:^ )

peace!
chris

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hey all,

as i was driving home i heard "leaving" on the radio.  it was the first time
i heard the studio version (though i have the song memorized thanks to my
boot collection and being at the berkeley show).  it is beautiful.  one of
the radio stations (i never listen to the radio.  only when i am changing
tapes or md's) is really plugging radiobox because they are sponsoring the
chicago hte show.  the dj said that the album cover has the cutest picture of
amy and emily when they were younger.  i have seen the cover, but not close
up.  anyway...

:-) karen (who is so thrilled to see ig two times in one week)

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hi folks,

a friendly reminder...

please make sure all posts are in plain text! there are a great many
listees with mail programs which do not take kindly to anything by plain
text.

please check and/or change your settings before posting to the list.

thank you.

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hi,
does anyone have the chords, tab, key for this song? are the lyrics
posted anywhere?
thanks,
mary

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in a message dated 11/17/00 3:15:15 pm pacific standard time, opihf@aol.com
writes:

>   you can't multiply anything by the power of two.
sure you can.  "2"  could refer to 2 people, and if neither one of them was
able to multiply, perhaps together "by the power of two"  they could multiply
life.
:op

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date:         fri, 17 nov 2000 21:47:54 est
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from:         "thomas b. pierce" <bmw87k100@aol.com>
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one solution would be to leave your profile blank, i suppose.

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date:         fri, 17 nov 2000 22:18:19 est
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from:         "karen r." <indigokare@aol.com>
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hey all,

just a reminder that on saturday at 1pm (all time zones), countercoup has
more demonstrations planned. as of now, the website is complete and has been
updated. more cities were added since last week. if you are interested,
please visit http://geocities.com/countercoup

if you have questions, please feel free to e-mail me.

:-) karen

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<html><font size=2>hey all,
<br>
<br>just a reminder that on saturday at 1pm (all time zones), countercoup has <br>more demonstrations planned. as of now, the website is complete and has been <br>updated. more cities were added since last week. if you are interested, <br>please visit http://geocities.com/countercoup
<br>
<br>if you have questions, please feel free to e-mail me.
<br>
<br>:-) karen
<br>
<br>----
<br>
<br>"got to learn to respect what we don't understand" -- amy ray, indigo girls
<br>http://www.geocities.com/karen_rosenblum</font></html>

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date:         fri, 17 nov 2000 23:37:05 est
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ok ok ok. i've gotten lots of flames in response to my post, so lemme clarify
real quick. first, my previous email to the list had html text for no
apparent reason. i have no idea why because i certainly did not do anything
out of the common way when sending it. i didn't mean to! *ducks punches*
second, i'm getting flames for sending a "why is the list so quiet" email. i
was teasin with the quiet list thing and had you scrolled down a line or two,
you would have seen that the email did in fact have igc.
sorry...

not that it was earth shattering or anything, but i'll repost sans html
(hopefully) and sans quiet list inquiry.

no, really, i am on a girls listening spree this afternoon and noticed some
stuff in 2 songs that i hadn't before...

1. the way emily says "honey" in leaving (ie honey all i wanna do is go)
reminds me of the way honey is said in that grease song: "you're the one that
i want, ooh ooh ooh honey"

megan

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date:         sat, 18 nov 2000 01:31:54 est
reply-to:     indigokare@aol.com
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from:         "karen r." <indigokare@aol.com>
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hey all,

diane (thankfully!) pointed out that the ringsurf form generator on my page
does not work. i tried to correct the problem, but for some reason, it is a
bit messed up. sooooo...in order to join the ig listees ring (i am not sure
if anyone tried to join and had problems), please use this link instead:
http://www.ringsurf.com/netring?ring=iglistees;action=addform
i hope to contact ringsurf and have the form on my site corrected.

please, anyone who received an error message, come back! the ring is up and
running!

:-) karen

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<html><font size=2>hey all,
<br>
<br>diane (thankfully!) pointed out that the ringsurf form generator on my page <br>does not work. i tried to correct the problem, but for some reason, it is a <br>bit messed up. sooooo...in order to join the ig listees ring (i am not sure <br>if anyone tried to join and had problems), please use this link instead: <br>http://www.ringsurf.com/netring?ring=iglistees;action=addform
<br>i hope to contact ringsurf and have the form on my site corrected.
<br>
<br>please, anyone who received an error message, come back! the ring is up and <br>running!
<br>
<br>:-) karen
<br>
<br>----
<br>
<br>"got to learn to respect what we don't understand" -- amy ray, indigo girls
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date:         sat, 18 nov 2000 01:43:12 est
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in a message dated 11/17/2000 6:57:49 pm eastern standard time,
jlucero@mail.monmouth.com writes:

<< please make sure all posts are in plain text! there are a great many
listees with mail programs which do not take kindly to anything by plain
text. please check and/or change your settings before posting to the list.
>>

i received the following information from another e-mail list experiencing
similar problems with html. perhaps this was also a factor when the
list was down recently when sherlyn came to the rescue.

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i just want to alert all subscribers on this list about a problem with the
new aol 6.0 and problems it causes with mailing lists.

please note: this is not a concern if you use aol 3.0, 4.0 or 5.0. this is
only if you have aol 6.0 or plan to upgrade to 6.0.

to make a long story short, the new aol 6.0 sends all email with "html
formatting" and does not have an option to send just plain text.

what happens then is all email sent from an aol 6.0 account to a
mailing list is bounced (rejected) by the listserve software and is then
forwarded onto the list owner for fixing/approval. the list owner then
gets the post and has to do some magic and then send the post on.
this of course will result in a delay for your post in reaching the list.

so, if you now have aol 6.0 and send a post and are perplexed as to why it
did not show up yet or showed up hours later, you now know why.

this is causing problems on other list serves across the planet, and aol
has been made aware of the problem. aol has promised a fix.

in the mean time, the owners are working on a solution with some software
they can install that would automatically fix the offending aol email and
send it on without it bouncing.

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date:         sat, 18 nov 2000 00:40:22 est
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in a message dated 11/17/00 11:38:31 pm eastern standard time,
eltalisman@aol.com writes:

> first, my previous email to the list had html text for no
> apparent reason. i have no idea why because i certainly did not do anything
> out of the common way when sending it.

apparently, if you've upgraded to aol 6.0 their default mail sender thingie
(that's the technical term) sends all their messages in the mime format so
some mailing lists have been having problems accepting mail from 6.0 users.
sorry, don't know any solutions.

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date:         sat, 18 nov 2000 12:57:57 -0800
reply-to:     john haynes <jberryhaynes@yahoo.com>
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from:         john haynes <jberryhaynes@yahoo.com>
subject:      re: sigc, ex's and sexual identity
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hey y'all,

it's been awhile since i have posted. i am at emory
university in atlanta studying for an m. div., i have
gotten to meet don saliers (emily saliers dad) and it
is easy to see where she gets talent and spiritual
understanding from--have any of you identified with
that side of the ig?

but the real question i have to ask y'all (and you can
reply privately or to the list) is how do you respond
to an ex who tells you later on that their sexual
orientation has changed? i just recently had one of
those revealing emails sent to me and i am struggling
with it.

thanks y'all

john

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date:         sun, 19 nov 2000 13:28:50 +0800
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hello!
i have a question. i just downloaded "life's so strange" by emily s. from napster and went to lifeblood to view the lyrics and i came across the line that says "there are moments when amelia's right beside me". who is amelia? is she a fictional character emily created or is she someone dear to emily?
i really have to ask this question, so i hope anyone would know the answer or have their own interpretation about this line.
dposh1

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date:         sun, 19 nov 2000 00:47:54 est
reply-to:     lisa071573@aol.com
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hey karen... what was this person's screen name? there is a way to block im's
from specific screen names.. i personally follow the rule that anyone who's a
scammer deserves to have their "name" plastered everywhere to warn others...

:p lisa

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date:         sun, 19 nov 2000 09:57:43 -0500
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hi there!
emily is singing about amelia earhart who attempted to fly solo around the
globe, but her plane went down somewhere over the pacific.

"...the next thing i know, i taste the salt of the sea."

doesn't really fit in with the rest of the song, but it's all very sad and
beautiful.

there's also an error in the lyrics at lifeblood.
http://www.lifeblood.net/lyrics/athruz/lifestrg.html.
instead of "there are mornings when i'm more vigorous" it should read
"there are mornings when i'm with icarus"

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at 01:28 pm 11/19/00 +0800, dposh1 wrote:
>hello!
>i have a question.  i just downloaded "life's so strange" by emily s. from
napster and went to lifeblood to view the lyrics and i came across the line
that says "there are moments when amelia's right beside me".  who is
amelia?  is she a fictional character emily created or is she someone dear
to emily?
>i really have to ask this question, so i hope anyone would know the answer
or have their own interpretation about this line.
>dposh1
>

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date:         sun, 19 nov 2000 07:06:11 -0800
reply-to:     melissa gordon <melissa@ce1.com>
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hey, when was this written?

i realize that es is a joni m fan. joni wrote an awesome song called
"amelia". i know this because my god daughter is named for this song.

msg

melissa s. gordon
account executive
creative endeavors
2408 chapman drive
las vegas, nv 89104
phone: 702.836-1110
pager: 888.733-9148
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from: "doug dickson" <wxrnot@home.com>
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sent: sunday, november 19, 2000 6:57 am
subject: re: life's so strange

> hi there!
> emily is singing about amelia earhart who attempted to fly solo around the
> globe, but her plane went down somewhere over the pacific.
>
>  "...the next thing i know, i taste the salt of the sea."
>
> doesn't really fit in with the rest of the song, but it's all very sad and
> beautiful.
>
> there's also an error in the lyrics at lifeblood.
> http://www.lifeblood.net/lyrics/athruz/lifestrg.html.
> instead of "there are mornings when i'm more vigorous" it should read
> "there are mornings when i'm with icarus"
>
> --
> doug
>
> at 01:28 pm 11/19/00 +0800, dposh1 wrote:
> >hello!
> >i have a question.  i just downloaded "life's so strange" by emily s.
from
> napster and went to lifeblood to view the lyrics and i came across the
line
> that says "there are moments when amelia's right beside me".  who is
> amelia?  is she a fictional character emily created or is she someone dear
> to emily?
> >i really have to ask this question, so i hope anyone would know the
answer
> or have their own interpretation about this line.
> >dposh1
> >
>
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date:         sun, 19 nov 2000 23:11:59 +0800
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thank you doug for the explanation and the correction for the lyrics in lifeblood!

doug dickson wrote:

>hi there!
>emily is singing about amelia earhart who attempted to fly solo around the
>globe, but her plane went down somewhere over the pacific.
>
> "...the next thing i know, i taste the salt of the sea."
>
>doesn't really fit in with the rest of the song, but it's all very sad and
>beautiful.
>
>there's also an error in the lyrics at lifeblood.
>http://www.lifeblood.net/lyrics/athruz/lifestrg.html.
>instead of "there are mornings when i'm more vigorous" it should read
>"there are mornings when i'm with icarus"
>
>--
>doug
>
>at 01:28 pm 11/19/00 +0800, dposh1 wrote:
>>hello!
>>i have a question.  i just downloaded "life's so strange" by emily s. from
>napster and went to lifeblood to view the lyrics and i came across the line
>that says "there are moments when amelia's right beside me".  who is
>amelia?  is she a fictional character emily created or is she someone dear
>to emily?
>>i really have to ask this question, so i hope anyone would know the answer
>or have their own interpretation about this line.
>>dposh1
>>
>
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date:         sun, 19 nov 2000 12:19:54 -0500
reply-to:     mauseee76@cs.com
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subject:      michelle malone chords/tabs
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does anyone know where i could find chords/tabs (for guitar) to michelle
malone songs on the web or does anyone have any songs figured out themselves
that you could e-mail me?

please!
thanks,
michelle

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date:         sun, 19 nov 2000 17:36:54 -0000
reply-to:     john bond <john.bond@lineone.net>
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from:         john bond <john.bond@lineone.net>
subject:      nigc : trying to find jennifer mcqueen...
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just thought i'd send a quick call for help out... does anybody know the =
e-mail addy of a lady named jennifer mcqueen? she lives in the south =
west of england, and during a big shiftover to a new computer, i managed =
to lose her e-mail addy --- any help would be much appreciated...

john.

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date:         sun, 19 nov 2000 14:38:10 -0500
reply-to:     susan brill <susan.brill@yale.edu>
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john - i think your question is interesting and i hope you can come to a
satisfying resolution to your struggle. i don't know whether i have useful
insight, but i have had discussions about this with friends and family.
actually - i should qualify because i'm not sure if your ex is male or
female, and perhaps that's relevent in understanding the dynamics of this
situation. i've had the discussion in reference to the feelings men have
when a female ex reveals that she is gay.

i am a straight married woman who loves the ig, so i get a certain amount
of second guessing from everywhere (it seems) about when i will be leaving
my husband to run off with a woman. my response is usually something about
how folks never seemed to wonder if i'd run off with another man when i
spent most of my time listening to/attending concerts by male bands, and
that this whole issue is not raised when i go see concerts by straight
female artists, etc...

but the discussion usually turns to one of how threatening it is for most
men to think that a girlfriend/spouse may leave them for another woman. the
discussion usually takes the same turns - the men agree on this, and the
women wonder why in the world that would be. it would seem intuitive that a
man should feel more threatened if the ex began dating another man -
someone to whom he can be directly compared.

from my anecdotal experience (probably not relevent to a studied
evaluation of this, but oh well) i think women really do see this situation
differently than men. several of my friends, my sister and i have all dated
guys who later came out to us as gay. we had the same response - "oh, no
wonder!" none of us felt especially insulted or threatened by it.

maybe someone on this list has studied this formally in a gender studies
class? i'd be interested to hear whether men and women in general perceive
this situation differently, and what the reasons might be.

is it a different situation when a same-sex partner leaves for an opposite
sex one?

in any case, john, i'm sorry i don't have useful answers, but i think this
is a good discussion to have on the list. i think there are many here who
will have good suggestions.

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date:         sun, 19 nov 2000 18:18:40 est
reply-to:     shedyskin@aol.com
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there's an article today in chicago tribune about female indie punk/rock
bands. amy ray was mentioned:

"meanwhile, several factors have sparked renewed urgency among the
scene's older bands. indigo girls singer amy ray, who recorded much of
her upcoming solo album with the butchies, notes women artists have been
all but dropped from the rock and alternative airwaves since the end of
the lilith fair festival in 1999."

click here: <a
href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/leisure/artsandentertainment/printedition/

article/0,2669,sav-0011190304,ff.html">chicago tribune | print edition --
there's a ri...</a>

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date:         mon, 20 nov 2000 08:53:32 +0800
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thanks melissa for your insights, i haven't heard that particular song by joni m. but i will check it out. if there are other response, we can discuss it further. i'm listening to "life's so strange" right now, it is very heart warming and sweet and beautiful.
dposh1

melissa gordon wrote:

>hey, when was this written?
>
>i realize that es is a joni m fan.  joni wrote an awesome song called
>"amelia".  i know this because  my god daughter is named for this song.
>
>msg
>
>melissa s. gordon
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>from: "doug dickson" <wxrnot@home.com>
>to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>sent: sunday, november 19, 2000 6:57 am
>subject: re: life's so strange
>
>
>> hi there!
>> emily is singing about amelia earhart who attempted to fly solo around the
>> globe, but her plane went down somewhere over the pacific.
>>
>>  "...the next thing i know, i taste the salt of the sea."
>>
>> doesn't really fit in with the rest of the song, but it's all very sad and
>> beautiful.
>>
>> there's also an error in the lyrics at lifeblood.
>> http://www.lifeblood.net/lyrics/athruz/lifestrg.html.
>> instead of "there are mornings when i'm more vigorous" it should read
>> "there are mornings when i'm with icarus"
>>
>> --
>> doug
>>
>> at 01:28 pm 11/19/00 +0800, dposh1 wrote:
>> >hello!
>> >i have a question.  i just downloaded "life's so strange" by emily s.
>from
>> napster and went to lifeblood to view the lyrics and i came across the
>line
>> that says "there are moments when amelia's right beside me".  who is
>> amelia?  is she a fictional character emily created or is she someone dear
>> to emily?
>> >i really have to ask this question, so i hope anyone would know the
>answer
>> or have their own interpretation about this line.
>> >dposh1
>> >
>>
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does anyone the chords and lyrics for devotion? i think i missed that one from the past mailing list. if anyone would be kind enough to send me the chords and lyrics of devotion privately, thanks!
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november 20 ('75)
salray@webtv.net (tracy fears "sal-ray")

november 20 ('75)
john.bond@lineone.net (john)
"where's the kaboom? there was supposed to be an earth - shattering
kaboom!!!" - marvin the martian

november 20 ('75)
earthgrrl0@aol.com (tracy fears)
"stay wild my soul child and don't you let 'em bring you down"-shawn
mullins
"if i can stay alive i could be somebody tomorrow"-michelle malone

november 21
macleods@spectranet.ca (lori macleod)
"i'd like to wish tami a happy 30th birthday"
- from the geneva show (11/3/97)

november 22
reb22@hermes.cam.ac.uk (rachael e. bradley)

luna-tick@home.com (luna mook tick)

november 23
rcn@prcn.org (kim fischer)
"pain from pearls -hey little girl
how much have you grown?"

november 23
rgcs1123@aol.com (rena)
"so i know i'm all right
life will come and life will go"

november 23 ('77)
vmenanteau@aol.com (erika menanteaux)

gitroop@aol.com (erin tripp)

november 24 ('75)
kdeis@phoenix.kent.edu (kellie deis)

('73)
michalack@nku.edu (andrew michalack)

november 25
eweins1@po-box.mcgill.ca (erica weinstein)

november 26 ('71)
geckogrrlz@aol.com (lisa)
"rock is cool but the struggle is better...
go, go, go!"

november 26
melsouth1@hotmail.com (mel south)

happy birthday y'all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and happy turkey day to the rest of y'all. :)
don't party too much :)
well...okay...just this once *heh*
bye!

much love and devotion,
audra
bge

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you may remember gail ann dorsey as the bassist from ig touring in the olden
days with a fantastic rendition of 'midnight train to georgia' immortalized
on 1200 curfews.
great news, she finally has her own cd coming out on june 22, 2001! her voice
is so gorgeous, that girl could sing the phone book...

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in a message dated 11/20/2000 9:51:49 am eastern standard time,
btfenton@aol.com writes:

> you may remember gail ann dorsey as the bassist from ig touring in the olden
> days with a fantastic rendition of 'midnight train to georgia' immortalized
> on 1200 curfews.
> great news, she finally has her own cd coming out on june 22, 2001! her
> voice
>

so true! and gail ann is currently touring with dar williams!

if you get the opprutunity, by all means check her out!

:-) karen
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<html><font size=2>in a message dated 11/20/2000 9:51:49 am eastern standard time, <br>btfenton@aol.com writes:
<br>
<br>
<br><blockquote type=cite style="border-left: #0000ff 2px solid; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px">you may remember gail ann dorsey as the bassist from ig touring in the olden
<br>days with a fantastic rendition of 'midnight train to georgia' immortalized
<br>on 1200 curfews.
<br>great news, she finally has her own cd coming out on june 22, 2001! her <br>voice
<br>is so gorgeous, that girl could sing the phone book...</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
<br>so true! and gail ann is currently touring with dar williams!
<br>
<br>if you get the opprutunity, by all means check her out!
<br>
<br>:-) karen
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hey,

i just wanted to thank everyone for their suggestions and comments as to what
to do about this matter.

appearantly, i am not the only one who has ever been bothered by someone
claiming to be amy (or emily).  and more importantly, i was not the only one
who this certain individual target.  a few other people have told me that the
person with the same screen name has pretended to be amy ray with them.  sick
sick person...

thanks!

:-) karen

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<html><font size=2>hey,
<br>
<br>i just wanted to thank everyone for their suggestions and comments as to what <br>to do about this matter.
<br>
<br>appearantly, i am not the only one who has ever been bothered by someone <br>claiming to be amy (or emily). and more importantly, i was not the only one <br>who this certain individual target. a few other people have told me that the <br>person with the same screen name has pretended to be amy ray with them. sick <br>sick person...
<br>
<br>thanks!
<br>
<br>:-) karen
<br>
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can anyone tell me what the lyrics are right before the bridge in shed your
skin. y'know the part where emily is singing really high and amy begins the
run that says "i've been lookin to find you, but is a little too late.....".
thanks, it really bugs me that i can't figure out what emily is saying.

peace,
jen
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for what it's worth my interpretation is:

i've been lookin' to find you
but it's a little to late too soon
when i look in doubt i find the spirit side of you
in you...
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and as previously mentioned on the list, gail ann dorsey is currently on
tour, playing bass for dar williams.  (i was fortunate enough to be able to
see dar in concert last month at the henry fonda theatre in hollywood, to
which i have a certain sentimental attachment--the concert was awesome!)
she's been performing a song of hers, which i believe is called "it brings
you love," on the tour, and it's wonderful.  incredible musician, incredible
voice.  i'm definitely looking forward to this album.

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hey...

before i forget - speaking of gail ann dorsey, do yourself a favour and
search out her first two albums... (and if you find the second one, send it
to me - i lost my copy :o( )

yes, it's that time again where many, many new and exciting bootleg cdrs are
on offer to you, the loyal igslist reader for nothing save the cost of
blanks and postage. and, although i say so myself, i've really surpassed
myself. most of these are fine, fine, must-have discs.

you can take a sneak peak at the artwork and full tracklistings here:
www.go.to/neilytones
although i need to finalize the liner notes for one of them - it should be
there in a day or two.

all will fit on one 74 minute disc, except where noted:

attack of the killer b-sides volume five
- the fifth (go fig) in this popular series which tries to compile all the
indigo girls' officially released rarities. including the 'cold beer...'
promo and an awesome ~exclusive alternate mix~ of peace tonight.

indigo originals (2 cd set)
- over forty original amy and emily compositions which never made it onto an
epic album. (sources vary from excellent quality studio to
slightly-dodgy-but-cleaned-up-as-best-i-could audience tapes) plus a couple
of fine new amy songs as bonus tracks! this is a must-have set!!!

columbia records radio hour plus!
- the indigo girls' latest promo-only cd, following in the footsteps of club
r+r and the coffee promo, together with two other excellent radio shows.
mostly taken from the cds sent to radio shows for broadcast, this is a fine
quality set. includes two songs exclusive to these broadcasts!

complete shepherd's bush, 22 november 1994 (2 cd set)
- partially released on in with the out crowd, this release surplants that
by offering the full show, half from an audience tape and half (more than
iwtoc) from soundboard sources. featuring cover art with pictures, setlist
and ticket from the actual show.

uk95 - three days in june
- the complete uk 1995 tour in best-ever quality. now you can really throw
away those copies of 'iwtoc' and 'complicated girls' because it's on these
discs sounding better and more complete. two acoustic radio sessions and the
glastonbury live concert (including backstage performances).

peabody's downunder
- a nifty radio broadcast from way back in 1989. nothing too special, and
it's not a must-have but it's sounding great.

reverse 1 / shades of indigo (1 x 80 minute cdr)
- two full-length promo-only releases on one disc. nothing new here if you
already have them, but if you don't, it's a spiffy way to own 'em.

live on the tv (1x80 minute cdr)
- two iffy 'commercial bootleg' cds on one disc - apparently taken from a
video (funnily enough), not wonderful, but acceptable sound, and interesting
performances. and it'll save you buying a copy!

stay tuned for details on how to get your very own copy - i'm just going off
now to finalize the tree...

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hey folks,

jennifer asked:
> can anyone tell me what the lyrics are right before the bridge in shed your
> skin. y'know the part where emily is singing really high and amy begins the
> run that says "i've been lookin to find you, but is a little too late.....".
> thanks, it really bugs me that i can't figure out what emily is saying.

>from the soon-to-be-unveiled updated faq -

--
16.7. what is that extra verse in "shed your skin"?

in the "shaming of the sun" songbook the words are listed as, "i look
inside me, but it's a little too late to serve / then i look and
doubt if i spirit inside of you, in you..."
--

emily isn't really saying anything, just making noises...

-sherlyn
=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-= [sydney, australia]
        "we will push on into that mystery
         and it'll push right back
         and there are worse things than that..."   - dar williams

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if you're interested in getting copies of the discs (as just posted), save
this email!!

here's what to do. work out which disc(s) you want, then contact the
appropriate branch as listed below. if they're not overloaded, they'll ask
you to provide blanks and return postage/packaging and they will copy the
discs for you free of charge. please respect them if they've reached their
copy limit, or if i screwed up and gave you the wrong information.

in return for their time, i ask that you do a few things to aid them:
- remove the cellophane from the discs you send them.
- it's easier (and cheaper) to send discs without jewel cases (but
protected).
- don't use nasty fiber-filled mailers, use bubble-wraped ones.
- consider a thank you gift. it's not necessary in order to obtain these
discs, but an extra blank or two, some chocolate, or a kind word never goes
unappreciated.
- pass on the karma: make boots for other people; let folks know they can
get quality boots for free; make a link on your website to
www.geocities.com/igreport

anyway here are the branch details. i toyed with the idea of having everyone
email me and then i'd assign everyone to the branches, but decided against
it - i hope this works. here goes:

if you just want:

- attack of the killer b-sides volume five
- uk:95 - three days in june
- indigo originals (2 cd set)
- or any subset thereof
jason - hare@optonline.net

if you just want:
-columbia records radio hour
michelle - napier@usit.net

if you just want:
- b-sides volume five
- columbia records radio hour
- indigo originals
mirinda (i think i got these discs right)
mirinda.kovacs@westgroup.com

if you want all ten of the discs (or a different combination):
then choose the person corresponding to your birth month. (some of these
people might not be able to copy 80 minute discs - i messed up and didn't
note this down every time. if that's the case, and you want 'em, then i can
help you myself).

january - february
mary mbpost@earthlink.net

march - april
marian mrowan@gmu.edu

may - june
karen kla@aloha.net

july - august
jerry doerz@my-deja.com

september - october
jennifer jenfer193@aol.com

november - december
kristi krishensn@aol.com (not the 80 min discs)
(kristi, your discs will go out tomorrow to you, priority mail)

if a branch has reached their limit or otherwise is unable to do the discs
you want, or for whatever other reason*, then:
neil neil@andineil.com

(*especially if you want to send me a copy of emily's solo tape or the 1992
sanframsisco show...)

and that's basically it. i hope this made sense...
any positive or negative feedback on this structure is welcomed. any
questions from the branches or others, then i'll do my best to answer...

neil
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man, the latf dvd subtitles are waaaay off. i think they said:

"i've been looking to fire you,
but i'm a little to late to do it..."

that's almost as bad as "i ate myself a boar" !! :)

peace!
chris

> hey folks,
>
> jennifer asked:
> > can anyone tell me what the lyrics are right before the bridge in shed
your
> > skin. y'know the part where emily is singing really high and amy begins
the
> > run that says "i've been lookin to find you, but is a little too
late.....".
> > thanks, it really bugs me that i can't figure out what emily is saying.
>
> from the soon-to-be-unveiled updated faq -
>
> --
> 16.7. what is that extra verse in "shed your skin"?
>
> in the "shaming of the sun" songbook the words are listed as, "i look
> inside me, but it's a little too late to serve / then i look and
> doubt if i spirit inside of you, in you..."

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<<before i forget - speaking of gail ann dorsey, do yourself a favour and
search out her first two albums... (and if you find the second one, send it
to me - i lost my copy :o( )>>>

are you saying she has previous cds out and that this is not her
first solo recording?? what are they?

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http://www.learnlink.emory.edu/~hhawkin/g/gail2.html

a gail ann dorsey timeline by reinhold kleber

1988: single release:
the corporate world (12" remix) / the corporate world (7" remix) / the corporate world (dub) / where is your love? (extended mix) / where is your love? (radio edit) / where is your love? (love dub) sire/reprise 7599-21263 12" us

1988: album release: the corporate world
wasted country / where is your love / if only you / just another dream / so hard to let you go / the corporate world / no time / s.w. 4 / wishing i was someone else / carry me off to heaven sire/reprise 9 25913-1 lp us
sire/reprise 9 25913-2 cd us
sire/reprise 9 25913-4 cass us

1990: she played with "concrete blonde" on "bloodletting"

1992: album release: rude blue
rude blue / money / believe in life / through the doors of heaven / california / too many stars out tonight / more than i can give / candyland /feelin' alright / farther along uk
island gad 9999 512 579-4 cass uk

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sent:    mon, 20 nov 2000 16:37:43 -0700
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<<before i forget - speaking of gail ann dorsey, do yourself a favour and
search out her first two albums... (and if you find the second one, send it
to me - i lost my copy :o( )>>>

are you saying she has previous cds out and that this is not her
first solo recording?? what are they?

jess
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tears for fears - whose "songs from the big chair" is one of my favorite
80's album.

she is/was in the band for the elemental tour as well as roland's solo
tour...

i am not positive on the solo tour.

btw, anyone wanna play how many different shows have they seen gail in...

me: ig , bowie, dar, suffragette sessions.

and for dar, hello, like the mobile recording studio didnt tip people off
that she recorded last night? she was amazing actually...

mike r.

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> september - october
> jennifer jenfer193@aol.com

make that jenfer7193@aol.com

my mistake. no doubt the first of many...

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hey folks,

"retrospective" is now available in australia - i just found
it down at my local record store. according to the sony
site, it's been out here for a week and a half already, oh
well...

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thanks to everyone that has been responding to my question....the dilema is
that i know what amy is singing there...the question is what is emily
singing in the background? sorry if my earlier question was confusing!
any suggestions?
peace and thanks again,
jennifer
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in a message dated 11/20/00 6:25:15 pm eastern standard time,
chaos808@gte.net writes:

<< man, the latf dvd subtitles are waaaay off. i think they said:

"i've been looking to fire you,
but i'm a little to late to do it..."

that's almost as bad as "i ate myself a boar" !! :) >>

great idea chris!!!!

i love misunderstood lyrics. the're a lot of fun and sometimes the
misunderstanding is actuly better.

of course we have the most famous...."there's a bathroom on the right"
"blinded by the light, reved up like a douch, another roller in the night"
and one of my personal favorites, while singing a bob dylan song "the ants
are my friends and they're blowing in the wind, the ants are blowing in the
wind"

but i wanna talk ig "what did she say's".
a favorite emily mis-lyric i had is from get out the map. "....that same sun
that warms your heart will suck that guter dry".

hey if nothing else, it's true.

joe
brooklyn,ny

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before responding to very wonderful and generous offer, can you tell me
what is on the following:

> uk:95 - three days in june
> columbia records radio hour
> 1992 sanfransisco show...)

thanks
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elaine

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well my daughter (11) had a great one last night
on "get out the map"
she thought the girls were being very rude and singing
"we'll give the finger to everyone we meet on the way out of town" <vbg>
i put the closed captioning on the dvd so she could see her mistake.

tami

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laugh...

my girlfriend thought it was exactly the same line.

cheers,
kc

tcl58@aol.com wrote:

> well my daughter (11) had a great one last night
> on "get out the map"
> she thought the girls were being very rude and singing
> "we'll give the finger to everyone we meet on the way out of town" <vbg>
> i put the closed captioning on the dvd so she could see her mistake.
>
> tami
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hee hee... i love this thread every time it comes around. my
favorite error (of those i've heard firsthand) was my friend katie's
version of the chorus of love will come to you:

"it's as if i'd opened up a crystal bottle of brew"

        puts a whole new spin on the song. "the ultimate comfort song,"
indeed...
        :)
        mandy

                big dipper hangin over the city
                you know everything now is different for me
                and it ain't no use in explaining
                 the scenery
                                                *ar*

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in a message dated 11/21/00 6:34:14 pm pacific standard time,
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>         big dipper hangin over the city
>                  you know everything now is different for me
>                  and it ain't no use in explaining
>                   the scenery
>                                                  *ar*
i am listening to hey kind friend for the first time in a long time, and just
as i read this email, those words came from my speakers....
a very interesting coincidence...wonder what it means...

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hi all:

i've had a brisk response for neil's 10 disc tree from july and august birthdays. i've got a full plate for burning and have to close my branch at this point. if circumstances change, i will email the list and reopen the branch.

thanks to neil and of course the igs for the great performances.

regards,

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hey...

forgive me. i'm sure y'all are fed up of this already...

<<i've had a brisk response for neil's 10 disc tree from july and august
birthdays. i've got a full plate for burning and have to close my branch at
this point. if circumstances change, i will email the list and reopen the
branch.>>

and don't forget, if a branch is closed, then there's always me to take
over - just drop me an email :o)

there's a quick neilytone survey up at
http://members.nbci.com/neilytones/survey.html
whether you like this whole idea or not - whatever your thoughts, if you
could take five minutes to complete it, i'm sure it'd be appreciated.

also, and really, this should have been mentioned earlier, if you're
thinking of getting, or already own the b-sides discs, please, please buy
the original compilations that the tracks are from. you really should have
them already. and why not use the information at the neilytones website to
double the charitable contributions that some of those purchases made. don't
want anyone to lose out now...

and that's basically it.

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