lifeblood: listlogs: 2001-01a

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date: mon, 1 jan 2001 17:11:02 -0000
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i personally didn't think the article was all that flattering. however, the
picture is adorable!!! it's heading straight on to my wall. :) i think they
had enough hits to call it a "greatest hits album" i mean hell mariah carey
has a cd called #1's ....how many of those has she had? ...oh well

tay
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date: mon, 1 jan 2001 12:18:20 -0500
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the article and photo are, indeed, grand. i did think it was not
insignificant though that the photo of ig was inside the paper, while a
photo of ex- ratm's zach was on the cover -- even though the article spoke
much more favorably about ig, and the photo of ig actually showed them being
political activists. but i'm pleased that they got so much coverage.

ruth

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date: mon, 1 jan 2001 12:43:00 est
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we tried in vain to view the pics everyone is talking about,maybe some one
could post it!! or maybe we could buy the paper the "old fashioned" way.
anyway,thanks...happy new year everyone!!!

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date: mon, 1 jan 2001 14:04:07 est
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hi all and happy new year!  i had an absolute wonderful new years eve.  we
went to eddies attic in decatur, ga to hear michelle malone.  she did 2 shows
(one at 7 and the other at 10).  gerard mchugh opened up for her for both
shows.  i must say that those shows were absolutely amazing.  they were byfar
the most high energy shows i have ever seen her do......and great setlists
too.  gerard was good too...he did thin line in both of hits shows.  but i
must say that the best part of my night was when amy ray walked in.   it was
so cool.  she was there for the entire first show.  no one bothered her at
all.....she was just hanging with her friends like everyone else there.  of
course i was about to have a heart attack ( i'm an amy person.....if you
can't tell).  well, just thought i would share my incredible night with
everyone......hope yall had a great new years eve as well.

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<html>hi all and happy new year! i had an absolute wonderful new years eve. we went to eddies attic in decatur, ga to hear michelle malone. she did 2 shows (one at 7 and the other at 10). gerard mchugh opened up for her for both shows. i must say that those shows were absolutely amazing. they were byfar the most high energy shows i have ever seen her do......and great setlists too. gerard was good too...he did thin line in both of hits shows. but i must say that the best part of my night was when amy ray walked in. it was so cool. she was there for the entire first show. no one bothered her at all.....she was just hanging with her friends like everyone else there. of course i was about to have a heart attack ( i'm an amy person.....if you can't tell). well, just thought i would share my incredible night with ev!
eryone......hope yall had a great new years eve as well.
 
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date: mon, 1 jan 2001 14:18:14 est
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in a message dated 01/01/2001 2:05:18 pm eastern standard time,
indigome1@aol.com writes:

> of
> course i was about to have a heart attack ( i'm an amy person.....if you
> can't tell). well, just thought i would share my incredible night with
> ev! eryone......hope yall had a great new years eve as well.
>

well amanda.
happy new year to you too. and yes. i can see that you are an amy person. hey
way cool tha tyou had the chance to see her last night hanging around.
l&l
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<html><body bgcolor="#ffffff">in a message dated 01/01/2001 2:05:18 pm eastern standard time, indigome1@aol.com writes:
 
 
 <blockquote type=cite style="border-left: #0000ff 2px solid; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px">of
 course i was about to have a heart attack ( i'm an amy person.....if you
 can't tell). well, just thought i would share my incredible night with
 ev! eryone......hope yall had a great new years eve as well.
 </blockquote>
 
 well amanda.
 happy new year to you too. and yes. i can see that you are an amy person. hey way cool tha tyou had the chance to see her last night hanging around.
 l&l
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date: mon, 1 jan 2001 14:26:21 est
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in a message dated 01/01/2001 12:12:10 pm eastern standard time,
galileo414@hotmail.com writes:

> i personally didn't think the article was all that flattering. however, the
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hey tay or anyone in the list.
does anyone have the website for this picture ? perhaps the magazine site ?
thanks
liz

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<html><body bgcolor="#ffffff">in a message dated 01/01/2001 12:12:10 pm eastern standard time, galileo414@hotmail.com writes:
 
 
 <blockquote type=cite style="border-left: #0000ff 2px solid; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px">i personally didn't think the article was all that flattering. however, the
 picture is adorable!!! it's heading straight on to my wall. :) i think they</blockquote>
 
 
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 thanks
 liz</html>

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date: mon, 1 jan 2001 14:34:55 -0500
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yes, please!!!! i didn't get to read the post about the article until =
today and i've been searching the nyt archives and i'm coming up with =
nothing.
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    hey tay  or anyone in the list.=20
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date: mon, 1 jan 2001 12:17:15 -0800
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for those of us who don't get the nyt could someone possibly scan the pic up
to a sight for us less fortunates (yes, i'm groveling)
thanx

"rock is cool but the struggle's better" --ar
"the less i seek my source, closer i am to fine" --es
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date: mon, 1 jan 2001 12:48:28 -0800
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there's a great review (okay...i wrote it...) of michelle malone's new live cd up at www.gogirlsmusic.com
check it out....d:)

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date: mon, 1 jan 2001 22:49:32 -0500
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january 4 ('71)
igsoulmate@hotmail.com (jamie suthard)

january 5
rucr57a@prodigy.com (rodney s. wicker)

january 7th... ('54)
mark lichtenberger <mlichten@nortelnetworks.com>
"the apathy of time laughs in your face,
did you hear me say, each life has it's place"
emily saliers

january 7 ('76)
claudine@ukonline.co.uk (claudine lapsky)
"sometimes life gives us lessons sent in ridiculous packaging"

happy birthday all!
and sorry i forgot to send this till late - i forgot it was monday :)

love and devotion,
audra
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here is relevant igc in the nyt article from sunday....... (the article is
far too long to type!)

=)
lisa

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the new york times
sunday, december 31, 2000
arts & leisure

"no last hurrah yet for political rock"
by ann powers

...............................the folk-rock duo the indigo girls may best
exemplify the thriving side of activist rock.  amy ray and emily saliers have
had some chart success during their decade long career but are sustained by a
large subculture rather than general adulation.  (their recent career
compilation, with liner notes by the feminist author susan faludi, was called
"retrospective," not "greatest hits," because the pair hasn't had enough hits
to earn the latter title.)  making music that touches both the mainstream and
the underground is just the first contradiction the duo uses to its
advantage.

recording for epic, a major label, the group maintained independence by also
founding the independent daemon records, a co-op run by artists, in its home
base of atlanta. extremely supportive of causes ranging from gay and lesbian
liberation to the rights of indigenous americans, the duo nonetheless mostly
records love songs and uplifting ballads. and though the indigo girls'
melodious style and sound directly connect with the women's music movement
spearheaded by lesbian feminists like holly near in the 1970's, ms. ray, in
particular, associates as closely with the rough-edged future-looking punk
scene; her solo album, to be released this spring, features members of the
raw-sounding bands the butchies and the rock*a*teens.

engaging seemingly opposed forces to further their agenda, the indigo girls
have survived as political artists without need for a single galvanizing
cause. unlike their countercultural forebears, ms. ray and ms. saliers don't
see themselves as part of a historic wave; even as they work within the
corporate music industry, they maintain a position of relative independence.

"i see the underground - the internet, independent media, community radio,
indie labels - as being our lifeblood," ms. ray said in her keynote speech at
the rockrgrl conference for women in music, which took place in seattle last
october.  such a statement by a major-label artist plays down ideological
distinctions between the radical edge and the compromising center in favor of
a down-to-earth approach that opens activism to everyone.  it fits a vision
not oriented around an over-arching movement but embracing an array of
interests, including animal rights, environmentalism, prison reform and the
fights against sweatshop labor and police brutality.  this vision holds up
neither the fringe radical nor the political insider as a hero; it asks
everyone to not glorify his own role but simply keep involved.

to some, this may seem the politics of lowered expectations. but this
steal-the-spotlight approach is creating a vast field of activism whose
impact is only now beginning to be felt................................

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date: tue, 2 jan 2001 10:56:20 -0500
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could someone please give me subscription info? i can't seem to find
that "welcome" mail you get when you join the list that outlines it
all. i need it for a friend. thanks a lot.

elaine

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hey all!

happy new year. i hope everyone had fun and fully recovered from new years
eve festivities. :-)

anyway, i know that many of you are on the daemon announcement list, but just
in case you're not, you can download an mp3 of amy's late bloom at
www.daemonrecords.com. there is also a scan of the cover art for stag. and
there is also a free rose polenzani download.

secondly, the ig listees webring is still up and running.  if you have a
site, please please submit it!  your site does not have to contain igc
(although igc sites are welcome!), it just has to be your site!  :-)  to
join, go here:
http://www.ringsurf.com/netring?ring=iglistees;action=addform;b=
       if you have any further questions, please e-mail me.  :-)

finally on a more personal note, if you owe me any boots (there are a few
people who do) and they are quite overdue, please send them to me.  i am
asking nicely.  there is nothing that i hate more than being ripped off.
right now, i am taking a hiatus from all trading and copying because i am
still awaiting long overdue tapes to arrive.  if you need me to send you my
address again, please e-mail me.  thank you.

happy new year!

:-) karen

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<html>hey all!
 
 happy new year. i hope everyone had fun and fully recovered from new years eve festivities. :-)
 
 anyway, i know that many of you are on the daemon announcement list, but just in case you're not, you can download an mp3 of amy's late bloom at www.daemonrecords.com. there is also a scan of the cover art for stag. and there is also a free rose polenzani download.
 
 secondly, the ig listees webring is still up and running. if you have a site, please please submit it! your site does not have to contain igc (although igc sites are welcome!), it just has to be your site! :-) to join, go here: http://www.ringsurf.com/netring?ring=iglistees;action=addform;b=
 if you have any further questions, please e-mail me. :-)
 
 finally on a more personal note, if you owe me any boots (there are a few people who do) and they are quite overdue, please send them to me. i am asking nicely. there is nothing that i hate more than being ripped off. right now, i am taking a hiatus from all trading and copying because i am still awaiting long overdue tapes to arrive. if you need me to send you my address again, please e-mail me. thank you.
 
 happy new year!
 
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scheduled for release feb. 6:

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date: tue, 2 jan 2001 21:42:47 -0000
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just for clarification, "boonies" was wockner's description, not mine. :)

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<<...the duo nonetheless mostly records love songs and uplifting ballads.>>

huh? when did ig become a pop band? do you get the feeling this woman hasn't
really done her research?

~robbin

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http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/31/arts/31powe.html?pagewanted=1

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hello there,

i hope the new year is going all right for you all. i'm using library computers until my service is restored .i'm not used to doing things that way so this feels alittle funny right now. when you have

a webtv unit, you may have some limitations, but there's also a more personal feel to it because it's like you're watching tv, accept you're doing email...or whatever you do when you're on the net.

there's no great big computer screen..you know? and at home there are no time limits . i listened to leaving and devotion, and for what's worth, i still don't think the retrospective is worth the price of a full cd, mainly because it's not aimed at us hard core long-time fans, but to reel the newcomers in.

isn't that the way most "best of" and "greatest hits" releases are intended? and they're usually released when the artist is off. leaving and devotion are much better live, on retrospective they are as usual way way way overproduced, tone the instruements down so as to bring out the voices. the voice is the mostimportant part of those songs, without that you can't understand the words.well off to check the official site. see ya. feel free to catch me here until further notice.

peace

barb

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hello there,
i hope the new year is going all right for you all. i'm using library computers until my service is restored .i'm not used to doing things that way so this feels alittle funny right now. when you have 
a webtv unit, you may have some limitations, but there's also a more personal feel to it because it's like you're watching tv, accept you're doing email...or whatever you do when you're on the net. 
there's no great big computer screen..you know? and at home there are no time limits . i listened to leaving and devotion, and for what's worth, i still don't think the retrospective is worth the price of a full cd, mainly because it's not aimed at us hard core long-time fans, but to reel the newcomers in.
isn't that the way most "best of" and "greatest hits" releases are intended? and they're usually released when the artist is off. leaving and devotion are much better live, on retrospective they are as usual way way way overproduced, tone the instruements down so as to bring out the voices. the voice is the mostimportant part of those songs, without that you can't understand the words.well off to check the official site. see ya. feel free to catch me here until further notice.
peace
barb
 
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hey... just thought i'd mention that for anyone who wasn't able to download
pt hope but obtained it through other channels.. you can donate online to
hte.. someone burned pt hope to a cd for me so that's what i did :)

:) lisa

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i'm on digest so forgive me if this gets posted twice...

from daemon's e-letter:

*amy ray - stag*
click on the link to download “late bloom” by amy ray off her upcoming
release, stag. amy chose this song for the site because of it’s daemon
roots. the guest band on this track is nineteen forty-five which features
former members of three finger cowboy.
we’ll post more mp3’s, video, auctions, and freebies over the next few
months so check back often.

http://daemonrecords.com/beta/amy/amy.html

:) lisa

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ahhhhhhhh!! that song is fabulous, have you guys heard it yet? i can't wait
to hear her new album! everyone go download late bloom from
http://daemonrecords.com/beta/amy/amy.html

thanks, lisa! hope everyone is off to a terrific start to a very happy new
year!

katie :)

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i just downloaded the mp3 and listened to it fot the first time this =
morning. i haven't really had that much time to get into it as yet, but =
the first thing that struck me was that she sounds a lot like danielle =
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i downloaded and paid for point hope three times, but am still unable to
burn it to cd. can someone give me a clue as to how to do it? thanks!

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robbin, re:

<<...the duo nonetheless mostly records love songs and uplifting ballads.>>

huh? when did ig become a pop band? do you get the feeling this woman hasn't
really done her research?>>

yeah, but she sounds so impressive when she calls them ms. ray and ms. saliers. :-)

on the plus side, she gave tons of publicity to stag, which is impressive coming from nyt.

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hey -
i haven't seen any commentary on the daemon download (granted, i'm on
digest...) but i just want to go on the record saying i think it sounds
great - i like the song, the arrangement, the energy - i'm *so* excited
about this cd...also the new patty griffin is rumored to be
outstanding...and of course, speaking of new cds:
did anybody check out danielle howle's live chat last night? i was making
dinner and forgot all about it. i am quite curious about what she's up to
these days, and when the new tantrums cd is coming out, etc. if anybody
happened to get a transcript, or would be willing to just relay to me the
gist of what she said, i'd appreciate it.

happy new year,
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>i downloaded and paid for point hope three times, but am still unable to
>burn it to cd.=a0 can someone give me a clue as to how to do it?=a0 thanks!

i am having the same problem. if anyone has any ideas, please let me know a=
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:-) karen

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<html>>i downloaded and paid=
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 i am having the same problem. if anyone has any ideas, please let=20=
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maybe i should post my response to the list at large?

<<>i downloaded and paid for point hope three times, but am still unable to
burn it to cd. can someone give me a clue as to how to do it? thanks!

i am having the same problem. if anyone has any ideas, please let me know
as
well.>>

short answer: there is no way to convert the downloaded file to .wav (the cd
burnable format) directly (as far as i know). you have to use a software
program like total recorer or cool edit to record it as it's playing back
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hi, everyone,
    i apologize for the cross-posting to five lists, but since i want to say
the same thing to everyone, it makes more sense this way.
    anyway, one of my ny resolutions that i think i can actually keep is to
listen to cds i have that i have not listened to in a while. world cafe
yesterday had geoff muldaur on and he did a great set. well, a year or two
ago, there was a spare copy of his previous cd, "the secret handshake," lying
around the office and i took it, and if i listened at all, it was with a
million things going on around the house. so just now, i listened again. what
a great cd. great blend of styles, messages, moods!
    so, c'mon, you all know you are guilty, too. so how about adding this to
your ny resolutions...dust off those cds you forgot about, or maybe were in
the wrong mood to listen to. you never know what undiscovered treasures you
might, um, discover.
take care,
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two points on "stag":

first, i think that the cover art is sexy as hell.

second, i really would love a west coast stop on the "stag" tour. maybe if we all politely e-mail daemon requesting just one stop out west.....?

susan, who has already done so.
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there is a way to convert a file to .wav. it requires a program that you
can get from shareware. let me know if anyone is interested.

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work as my wallpaper ( i know shouldn't be a big feat..anyway)
my supervisor just came in and we were going over some new programming of =
mine and she wanted to know who that was....

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da makes me think....

my first year here at work we had a business trip to palm springs, she and =
i got paired up for a room cause no one else wanted to room with the =
lesbian ( yes i am out here at work). anyway, i put on my cd's to unwind =
and s, my super, loved it. i go into hte bathroom to change and come out =
and here is s, 5'11" blonde, built very nicely wearing nothing but a smile =
and a green satin underware set...i bout croaked!!! anyway she proceeded =
to finish changing and such and was asking questions, who are they, how =
did i find em, wha telse have they done..so i got to do ig 101...in the =
meantime i am thinking to myself ..how can i tie my leg or one of hte arms =
to the left side ( my side) of this queen size bed for the night ( to keep =
myself from being an idiot and such.....we had had a few....glasses of =
wine) anyway...i survived..but in the morning when we getting ready to =
leave she asked if she could borrow my cd's fo the trip....too funny...

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just in from epic...

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date: tue, 2 jan 2001 23:27:25 -0500 (est)
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subject: win from the indigo girls

happy new year indigo girls fans!

start 2001 off right with a copy of the new retrospective cd
and a limited edition autographed shades of indigo lp
from the synthesis.net! check out their contest at
http://www.indigogirlsonline.com/
and sign up to win!

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hey kind friends,

first of all, i love late bloom. secondly, i was wondering if anyone could
e-mail me (or post them here, if they haven't been posted already and i've
missed them) the lyrics. i'm pretty sure of most of it, there are just a few
lines where i'm not sure what amy's singing (but whatever she's singing her
voice is so throaty and beautiful!) does anyone know the correct lyrics or
can anyone with a knack for amy's voice decipher them?

thanks,
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anyone have updated info about ig's cr appearance?

thanks,
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can we make this a group effort? here's my attempt. there are some words
and complete lines i just can't get anything out of. can anyone fill in the
blanks?

i won't be a pawn
????????
i won't say so much but i
??? when it is done
well i know we grow
when it's over
i used to dream
all the voices saved me
??? and the weather worn
all my life ????
but i know we grow
when it's over
all that time
i spent walking behind
i don't mind
now i know
they ran us out of town
ah c'mon they cut us down
raise the flag of the fealty
all my life ?????
but i know we grow
when it's over
all that time
you were walking the line
well, i don't mind
now i know
(solo)
all that time
i spent walking behind you
i don't mind
now i know we grow
when it's over
we grow

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maybe i'm way off (i thought amy was crooning "i used to dream, on the
floors of sodomy" and i knew that wasn't right!) so i'm putting my notions
in parenthesis.

i won't be a pawn
(we roughed it up when we were young)
i won't say so much (for that)
(what do you you do) when it is done
(cause) i know we grow
when it's over
i used to dream
all the voices saved me
(lazy case) and the weather worn
all my life ????
but i know we grow
when it's over
all that time
i spent walking behind
i don't mind
now i know
they ran us out of town
ah c'mon they cut us down
raise the flag of the fealty
all my life ?????
but i know we grow
when it's over
all that time
you were walking the line
well, i don't mind
now i know
(solo)
all that time
i spent walking behind you
i don't mind
now i know we grow
when it's over
we grow

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hey all!

i have fallen in love with "laramie." i was wondering if we could discuss
the song, do analyses, etc.

anyway, i will post some thoughs on it later (when i am not so
discombobulated) but would someone like to start?

:-) karen

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<html>hey all!
 
 i have fallen in love with "laramie." i was wondering if we could discuss the song, do analyses, etc.
 
 anyway, i will post some thoughs on it later (when i am not so discombobulated) but would someone like to start?
 
 :-) karen
 
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whoa, i'm sure i'm not the only one who types in random domain names
to see if they're taken already. amyray.com is "the unofficial amy ray
home page" but there's nothing there yet. sigh!

think that's kind of a bugger for amy herself if she ever wants to
put up her own page, altho' i bet she'd probably just want it to
remain @ daemon.

anyone know the person behind this page? & when they're going to put
up some content for us to swoon over? ;)

johanna

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aaaaaahhhhhh can someone please help me.  my computer aparently read the late
bloom file as taken from a record that had been severly scratched.  it keeps
skipping and wont get past the first 3 seconds...can anyone send me the
file?...pppllleeaaassseeee.  thanks in advance..

carla :o)

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<html>aaaaaahhhhhh can someone please help me. my computer aparently read the late bloom file as taken from a record that had been severly scratched. it keeps skipping and wont get past the first 3 seconds...can anyone send me the file?...pppllleeaaassseeee. thanks in advance..
 
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hi all
can someone repost the lyrics to "hey castrator"? it's
a great song, but i mistakenly deleted the lyrics last
time around.
thanks!

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sorry, but i meant to ask for the lyrics to lucy
stoner. anyone still have them?
thanks!

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i haven't even attempted to decipher lyrics yet, but while we're at it, is
it too ambitious to challenge someone to figure out chords?

love this song, by the way, and whole-heartedly agree with the plea for a
w. coast date, perhaps seattle's way??? can march come soon enough?

amy m.

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
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-the goddess, amy ray

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okay, here's my stab at it. i've put my changes in brackets beside what was
written before.

i won't be a pawn
(we roughed it up when we were young)
i won't say so much (for that)
(what do you you do) when it is done
(cause) i know we grow
when it's over
i used to dream
all the voices saved me [of the forces so mean]
(lazy case) and the weather worn
all my life ???? [oh my life of humility]
but i know we grow
when it's over
all that time
i spent walking behind
i don't mind
now i know
they ran us out of town
ah c'mon they cut us down
raise the flag of the fealty [raise the flag of the field team]
all my life ????? [oh the life of futility]
but i know we grow
when it's over
all that time
you were walking the line
well, i don't mind
now i know
(solo)
all that time
i spent walking behind you
i don't mind
now i know we grow
when it's over
we grow

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i'm wondering if "oh my life of humility" isn't "oh my life of timidity",
but i can't really make it out.

just a thought,
amy m.

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hi all! wondering if anyone could help me, email privately of course. i just
downloaded napster (yes im behind the times) and downloaded some songs,
however when i listen to the they are "wavy" sounding and not very clear?
will they sound like this if i copy them to cd? anyone have a suggestion?

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i don't know, i can really hear the "l" at the end of the word (-lity). but
i guess we really won't know for sure until the cd is released.
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i have a feeling that it is capoed on the 1st fret.  then, i hear g, c, d
with the e string held down with thumb.   i could be wrong b/c i wouldn't
doubt that she might have tried other tunings with bar chords...but also i
think she likes that g chord leading into a c bar chord thing down the neck
(and vice versa), and i'm just awful at deciphering bar chords b/c i hate
them, probably b/c i can't learn them....  but, someone could have a try with
1st fret chords.....  also, i think i learned a new word today:  fealty.
cool.  but i still don't know whether she says field team or fealty.  "field
team" reminds me of the history of the dixie flag.

i just read a really good book: _half-moon scar_ anyone else get this yet?

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hi all.
can someone please post the web addy for the late bloom song ?
thank you
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> can someone please post the web addy for the late bloom song ?

it's available from the daemon records main site:
www.daemonrecords.com

mandy

                big dipper hangin over the city
                you know everything now is different for me
                and it ain't no use in explaining
                 the scenery
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i'd lke to the same for "you and me of the 10,000 wars." any thoughts?

"karen r." wrote:
>
> hey all!
>
> i have fallen in love with "laramie." i was wondering if we could
> discuss
> the song, do analyses, etc.
>
> anyway, i will post some thoughs on it later (when i am not so
> discombobulated) but would someone like to start?
>
> :-) karen
>
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>
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> girls
> http://www.geocities.com/karen_rosenblum

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yes!

you and me of the 10k wars has to be one of my favorite songs of the whole
ig catalog...where should we start...and, btw, it would be so nice to hear
something from nis live these days. have they forgotten the album existed?
i mean, world falls, watershed, welcome me. those are damned good songs.

anyway...let's go...

scott

p. s. "a moment of peace is worth every war behind us." great line! ;)

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> i'd lke to the same for "you and me of the 10,000 wars." any thoughts?
>
> "karen r." wrote:
> >
> > hey all!
> >
> > i have fallen in love with "laramie." i was wondering if we could
> > discuss
> > the song, do analyses, etc.
> >
> > anyway, i will post some thoughs on it later (when i am not so
> > discombobulated) but would someone like to start?
> >
> > :-) karen
> >
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> >
> > "got to learn to respect what we don't understand" -- amy ray, indigo
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in a message dated 01/05/2001 2:19:58 am eastern standard time,
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> and, btw, it would be so nice to hear
> something from nis live these days. have they forgotten the album existed?
> i mean, world falls, watershed, welcome me. those are damned good songs.
>

i agree! n*i*s is by far my favorite album.

i hear pushing the needle so far every so often.  i heard watershed, and
welcome me as well.  i actually did hear you and me of the 10k wars live a
few years ago (summer of 1997 maybe?).   amazing live.  actually,
surprisingly enough i have not heard hammer and a nail live yet.  :(  i know
it is played often -- just when i am not there!  it the favorite song of a
good friend of mine.  therefore i would love to hear it live one of these
days.

anyhow...

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<html>in a message dated 01/05/2001 2:19:58 am eastern standard time, wscottw@fly.hiwaay.net writes:
 
 
 <blockquote type=cite style="border-left: #0000ff 2px solid; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px">and, btw, it would be so nice to hear
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 i mean, world falls, watershed, welcome me. those are damned good songs.
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 i agree! n*i*s is by far my favorite album.
 
 i hear pushing the needle so far every so often. i heard watershed, and welcome me as well. i actually did hear you and me of the 10k wars live a few years ago (summer of 1997 maybe?). amazing live. actually, surprisingly enough i have not heard hammer and a nail live yet. :( i know it is played often -- just when i am not there! it the favorite song of a good friend of mine. therefore i would love to hear it live one of these days.
 
 anyhow...
 
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so, maybe this is a bad time to ask, b/c it looks as though there is alot of
fine conversation going on, but what the hell... i was wondering two things...
first: does anyone know the tabs to the verse in crazy game, starting with
"so if you're ever, believing... ill wait for you"... that part. ive got the
rest worked out but cannot get the verse.

second, any of you players and singers out there have the tabs to play it
again sam? this might very well be my favourite song of all time, and im
lacking in the musical department here. any helpers?

any input would be appreciated. btw, i couldnt get the amy download to come
thru....

and, regarding you and me of the 10,000 wars, honestly all i make out of it
is a typical mother and daughter relationship... over the course of alot of
time and growth (of course, stated in such a beautiful poetic manner, as
usual!).  im not convinced it's always possible to analyze or dissect ever
ounce of a musicians work... maybe it is, maybe it's not.  sometimes, for me
anyways, it's best just to interpret it for myself.  it often seems to make
more sense that way, rather than what's "right or wrong... what she's really
trying to say," in other words.  i have yet to read any interviews or
comments regarding this song from emily, but i would however be interested in
hearing everyone elses.

"sweep the ashes, let the silence find us..."
ciao-
erin

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<html>so, maybe this is a bad time to ask, b/c it looks as though there is alot of fine conversation going on, but what the hell... i was wondering two things...
 first: does anyone know the tabs to the verse in crazy game, starting with "so if you're ever, believing... ill wait for you"... that part. ive got the rest worked out but cannot get the verse.
 
 second, any of you players and singers out there have the tabs to play it again sam? this might very well be my favourite song of all time, and im lacking in the musical department here. any helpers?
 
 any input would be appreciated. btw, i couldnt get the amy download to come thru....
 
 and, regarding you and me of the 10,000 wars, honestly all i make out of it is a typical mother and daughter relationship... over the course of alot of time and growth (of course, stated in such a beautiful poetic manner, as usual!). im not convinced it's always possible to analyze or dissect ever ounce of a musicians work... maybe it is, maybe it's not. sometimes, for me anyways, it's best just to interpret it for myself. it often seems to make more sense that way, rather than what's "right or wrong... what she's really trying to say," in other words. i have yet to read any interviews or comments regarding this song from emily, but i would however be interested in hearing everyone elses.
 
 "sweep the ashes, let the silence find us..."
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> and, regarding you and me of the 10,000 wars, honestly all i make out
> of it is a typical mother and daughter relationship...

        oh, how interesting... it never even occurred to me to think of it
as anything other than a peer relationship, probably because the dynamic
that the song evokes reminds me very powerfully of the strong but
consistently-troubled i have with one of my oldest friends. i do hear
overtones of a power imbalance such as in a mother-daughter relationship,
but to me it seems more dynamic, more even-handed ("the evil of ehgo and
the vice of pride / was there ever anything else that makes us take our
different sides") whereas a mother, i think ,would be a more consistent
power figure.
        i guess i took "prodigal daughter" to be figurative, a nod to the
power structure that asserts itself whenever somebody screws up and the
other person has to forgive (because it really is a necessity, in these
relationships that insist on permanence.) all the reflective language that
rounds out the chorus is a nod to that, maybe... the fact that the
positions of supplicant and forgiver get passed back and forth, with the
still water being judgment or objective rightness, and the point of the
chorus being that there is none.
        what interests me most about the song, though, is the repetition
of the first line at the end of the song. it's actually my favorite thing
about the song, and also the thing that prompts me to push the back button
and listen to it again so very often. to me, the repetition is a way of
restarting the process the song narrates. it blunts and contextualizes the
"moment of peace" - it's emily's way of saying that the wars never really
are entirely behind us. i know the moment of peace feeling, and i know
that it recedes... i think the way she conveys the feeling of breakthrough
and perfect achievement backsliding into a cycle (which may or may not
include actual progress) is very deft.
        anybody else?
        mandy

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they played you and me of the 10, 000 wars at the tower here in philly about
a year ago. love that song! they're not playing andy enough as far as i'm
concerned, though...i'm always at the wrong shows, i guess. i've only heard
them play it once.

have a great weekend everybody!

maike.

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does anybody remember barb's website addy? can't find it anywhere...
thanks

maike.

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>i just read a really good book: _half-moon scar_ anyone else get this
>yet?

chee, who's it written by and what is it about? is it a novel, non-fiction?

i've been devouring books of late, and am on the lookout for new,
interesting titles.

thanks,
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well, i am not familiar with this one but did love half moon strret...god =
my caps keep stickign ..sorry....

but one set of books to read that are good...anything by sark...i highly =
reccommend her to any and all.=20

>>> robbin love <robbin_150@hotmail.com> 01/05/01 09:53am >>>
>i just read a really good book: _half-moon scar_ anyone else get this
>yet?

chee, who's it written by and what is it about? is it a novel, non-fiction?=

i've been devouring books of late, and am on the lookout for new,
interesting titles.

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nis is the best!!! i quote to my 11year old ig fan from watershed all =
the time...."you can stand there and agonise until your agony is your =
heaviest load" when he gets a little bent about something small.
:-)
l.
  ----- original message -----=20
  from: karen r.=20
  to: indigo-girls@netspace.org=20
  sent: friday, january 05, 2001 2:36 am
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in a message dated 01/05/2001 2:19:58 am eastern standard time,=20
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    and, btw, it would be so nice to hear=20
    something from nis live these days.  have they forgotten the album =
existed?=20
    i mean, world falls, watershed, welcome me.  those are damned good =
songs.=20

i agree! n*i*s is by far my favorite album.=20

  i hear pushing the needle so far every so often.  i heard watershed, =
and=20
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i know=20
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of a=20
  good friend of mine.  therefore i would love to hear it live one of =
these=20
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anyhow...=20

:-) karen=20
----=20

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> i've been devouring books of late, and am on the lookout for new,
> interesting titles.

        if we're talking books.... :)
        everybody go read the sparrow by mary doria russell. it's an
absolutely incredible treatise on faith, fate and first contact, and it
plays with time in wonderful ways. (fiction, btw)
        on the other hand, don't read the virgin suicides. i just finished
it on a tip from a friend and it's possibly the worst book i've ever read
in my life, not excepting my star-crossed foray into sweet valley about
fifteen years ago. poorly balanced, poorly realized, with characters
flatly drawn... i could go on, but i won't. go read the sparow instead. :)
        mandy

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> everybody go read the sparrow by mary doria russell. it's an
> absolutely incredible treatise on faith, fate and first contact, and it
> plays with time in wonderful ways. (fiction, btw)

good book. i read it for one of the book clubs i belonged to a few years
ago. it's definitely a discussion provoker!

> on the other hand, don't read the virgin suicides. i just finished
> it on a tip from a friend and it's possibly the worst book i've ever read
> in my life, not excepting my star-crossed foray into sweet valley about

i can't say i was too impressed with the film version.

bon

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hey all!! happy new year and hope everyone is set for a 2001-derful year.
please allow me some breathless puns =) 'cuz i have a great present for you.
indigo girls video on cds. three to be exact, volumes 1, 2 and 3 discs.

volume 1 features the closer to fine promo from 1989, ig on david letterman,
1989, mtv news 1989, and the vh-1 interview 1990

volume 2 has a segment from cnn in 1989, late night atlanta, part 1 of 2

volume 3 finishes up the late night atlanta segment, part 2 of 2, with cold
as ice and welcome me, and includes land of canaan on the david letterman
show, october 1989.

each disc contains a read me text file from the author of the video discs,
janet doe, who has given other media presents to listpeople in the last 18
months. she has also included, on each disc, a word document with the cover
art for each disc. if you have any problems accessing these files, just let
me know.

how to get 'em, listen up -)

contact lisa if you were born in september, october, november or december
memememi@aol.com

contact neil if you were born in may, june, july or august
neil@andineil.com

contact jude if you were born in january, february, march or april
hunterj1@aol.com

if anyone in europe has the capability to make cds and wants to help tree
these discs, please let me know. if anyone else in any other section of the
world wants info on getting copies, please let me know.

each person participating in the tree will have their own directions for
sending you the discs, but here are some common pointers: please remember to
include enough postage for return of the discs to you. remember also that
postage costs more since the 6th of january...find out exactly how much it
will cost to return your discs.

these discs are playable on your computer using the windows player from
microsoft.com as discussed in the read me file. i have tried playing the
discs on a 1 gig, dell with an ancient version of this program and it *does*
work. read the read me file.

even if you still feel that you won't be able to view these discs, get them
now.  perhaps someday soon you will have a computer that is compatible or
someone close to you might have one that is compatible.  order now.  these
discs do not degrade in quality.  they are forever :)

and enjoy!!

talk to you later, if i have forgotten anything =)

jude :)

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i just discovered "wise women", edited by susan cahill.  it's an
anthology of intellectual and spiritual writings by women, culled from
over 2000 years.  some of the selections come from religious mythology,
most are essays.  it's a great read for those of us who only have the
time to devour a chapter or two at a time, or who want something that
they can pick up from time to time for inspiration.

peace, jane mcclarin

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does anyone else think this song sounds very nirvana-esque, especially at
the beginning?

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indigo girl amy ray takes shot at rolling stone
jan 5, 2001, 9:35 am pt

indigo girl amy ray is using her first solo album to get a few messages
across, one of which is directed at rolling stone editor and publisher jann
s. wenner.

on "lucystoners," from the forthcoming stag (allstar, dec. 7, 2000), ray
calls wenner on what she says is rolling stone's lack of adequate coverage of
the indigo girls over the years, despite the fact that nearly all of their
albums have gone gold or platinum (the magazine has never done a major
feature on the duo). the song begins with a jab at the press in general ("we
were talking ticket slump/we try to put our finger on it/and quantify the
undoing of each little step/its just a lack of press") before pointing a
finger directly at wenner.

"janny wenner, janny wenner," she sings on "lucystoners." "rolling stone's
most fearless leader/gave the boys what they deserved/but with the girls he
lost his nerve."

"[jann wenner] is a notorious symbol to a lot of women of sexism in the
industry -- that magazine is and he is -- but he's a symbol, i don't know
him," explains ray on the phone thursday (jan. 4). "it's not a personal
vendetta i have with him. i think rolling stone, rather than a tastemaker,
has been a real follower in the last five years and is willingly reflecting
sexism and i don't appreciate it."

"lucystoners" is named after followers of 19th century feminist lucy stone,
the first female in massachusetts to receive a college degree in 1847 and
organizer of one of the first national conventions on women's rights in 1850.
upon marriage, stone kept her maiden name, inspiring other women who did the
same to adopt the term "lucy stoners" as a result.

although ray says she has no personal ill will towards wenner, she does feel
rolling stone has dropped the ball on the indigo girls over the years. "i
wouldn't say i feel personally dissed by them but i would say that i feel
they have never given us our due," she says. "we have been playing together
20 years. we have a 12-year recording history with epic. we've put out seven
[studio] records, many of them have gone platinum.

"we've toured all over the world," she continues. "we've had one page in
rolling stone for our first album, a quarter-page on honor the earth, a
couple of random notes and some record reviews and that's it. that's not
enough. it's not an ego thing with me. i just think if it was a male group,
they would have paid more attention."

in all fairness to the magazine, rolling stone featured five female musical
acts on the cover in 2000, compared to that of eight male -- a respectable
ratio when taking the musical trends of the year into consideration.

representatives of rolling stone served up a solid "no comment" on ray's
lyrics.

stag, due in stores on march 6 on ray's own atlanta-based indie daemon
records, is a much more plugged-in affair than most of ray's work with the
indigo girls. many of the tunes are more in line with the ray-penned tracks
"go" from 1999's come on now social and "scooter boys" from 1997's shaming of
the sun.

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i found this info linked at brian clary's great site (www.brianclary.com -
y'all should go there). so many people i owe email to. i'm going into hiding
now...

http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/sid=507494490/pagename=/rp/cdn/find/dis
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indigo girl amy ray takes shot at rolling stone

jan 5, 2001, 9:35 am pt

indigo girl amy ray is using her first solo album to get a few messages
across, one of which is directed at rolling stone editor and publisher jann
s. wenner.

on "lucystoners," from the forthcoming stag (allstar, dec. 7, 2000), ray
calls wenner on what she says is rolling stone's lack of adequate coverage
of the indigo girls over the years, despite the fact that nearly all of
their albums have gone gold or platinum (the magazine has never done a major
feature on the duo). the song begins with a jab at the press in general ("we
were talking ticket slump/we try to put our finger on it/and quantify the
undoing of each little step/its just a lack of press") before pointing a
finger directly at wenner.

"janny wenner, janny wenner," she sings on "lucystoners." "rolling stone's
most fearless leader/gave the boys what they deserved/but with the girls he
lost his nerve."

"lucystoners" is named after followers of 19th century feminist lucy stone,
the first female in massachusetts to receive a college degree in 1847 and
organizer of one of the first national conventions on women's rights in
1850. upon marriage, stone kept her maiden name, inspiring other women who
did the same to adopt the term "lucy stoners" as a result.

representatives of rolling stone served up a solid "no comment" on ray's
lyrics.

-- kevin raub

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"and, regarding you and me of the 10,000 wars, honestly all i make out of it
is a typical mother and daughter relationship... "

i always thought it was about a mother/daughter relationship as well, but in
particular, about the daughter coming out to her mother.

andrea

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check out this url to download the windows media player so you can view the
ig cd video :) there is aa version for windows 95 and windows 98. version 7
is the best.

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http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.asp</a>

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yeah, i see that too (especially the prodigal daughter part).  but, on a
much more general level, i think it's that understanding you reach (most
often in your mid-late twenties) that your parents are human and you
understand their mistakes and the peace that comes from that ("i see my eyes
in your eyes through my eyes/still water").  and finally, you can "sweep the
ashes" of that past pain away and become friends.  that's how i've always
taken it, anyway.

take care, mis amigos,

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does anyone have any information on what references there are to
homosexuality in the bible or other religious texts (i can't find very
many)? i need some help so that i can respond to someone that i work with.
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butit died..any help would be greatly appreciated..
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>from: national organization for women <now@now.org>
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>"feminists will be out in full force at the inauguration on january 20,
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>president patricia ireland. "bush's nomination of radical right-wing
>ideologues is an affront to the majority in this country who favor more
>progressive policies."
>
>who: now president patricia ireland and other activists
>
>what: presidential inauguration protest
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>where: navy memorial
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> washington, d.c.
>
>when: saturday, january 20
> 11:30 am to 2:30 pm
> now president's statement at 12:45 pm
>
>"john ashcroft, linda chavez and tommy thompson are proponents of some of
>the most regressive social policies on the ultraconservatives' agenda,"
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>years if they plan to break bush's promise to govern with compassion."
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>>in all fairness to the magazine, rolling stone featured five female
musical acts on the cover in 2000, compared to that of eight male -- a
respectable ratio when taking the musical trends of the year into
consideration.<<

how often does rolling stone come out?  i don't really pay attention to it
much anymore.  but 5+8=13.  and i know that one of those covers had sarah
michelle gellar on it.  i love buffy, but she's not a musical act.

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also, two of those covers were very risque covers of underage (at the
time) pop stars britney spears and crisitna aguilera (sp?).  not exactly
shining examples of women who rock.  from the looks of rolling stone's
few female covers, it appears that they're trying to compete with men's
magazines like maxim and gear.  i used to read and respect rs, but in
recent years it seems they've gone the way of the stereotypical mens'
middleage crisis.

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in a message dated 01/05/2001 10:05:07 pm eastern standard time,
hunterj1@aol.com writes:

> check out this url to download the windows media player so you can view the
> ig cd video :) there is aa version for windows 95 and windows 98. version
> 7
> is the best.
>
> <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.asp?">
>

hi there.
this is the addy to download the real player ..do you have the addy for the
video itself ? thanks for the help.
luna

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<html><body bgcolor="#ffffff">in a message dated 01/05/2001 10:05:07 pm eastern standard time, hunterj1@aol.com writes:
 
 
 <blockquote type=cite style="border-left: #0000ff 2px solid; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px">check out this url to download the windows media player so you can view the
 ig cd video :) there is aa version for windows 95 and windows 98. version 7
 is the best.
 
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hey y'all~
i just got a guitar and i was wondering if any of
you know a website that has basic guitar chords, etc.
i know a little bit but not enough... so if any of you
know of any websites that would be awesome. thanks!
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>from: johanna <pixiepixie@postmark.net>
>subject: amyray.com?
>
>whoa, i'm sure i'm not the only one who types in random domain names
>to see if they're taken already. amyray.com is "the unofficial amy ray
>home page" but there's nothing there yet. sigh!
>
>think that's kind of a bugger for amy herself if she ever wants to
>put up her own page, altho' i bet she'd probably just want it to
>remain @ daemon.
>
>anyone know the person behind this page? & when they're going to put
>up some content for us to swoon over? ;)

it's public info:

>whois information for amyray.com:
>registrar:      tucows.com, inc.
>organization:   amyray.com
>address:        1 riverside dr. w
>        windsor, ontario n95 2c7 ca
>admin contact:  thorne, jenny
>email:  jennthor@hotmail.com
>phone:  519 5559425
>fax:
>tech contact:   admin, network
>email:  postmaster@easyhosting.com
>phone:  416 2337150
>fax:
>nameservers:    ns3.freeservers.com
>ns4.freeservers.com

looks like either a fan or a squatter.

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<<, rolling stone featured five female musical
acts on the cover in 2000>>
i'm sorry, but half-naked brat-ney spears? f**k that....oh she's gorgeous
(superficially speaking), but void of natural and intellectual talent when it
comes to her music and lyrics. oh you can bounce your head or your ass to
it, but does it touch your heart and make you think and want to make a
difference in the world around you? nope.....just makes me wanna whip out a
pack of bubbalicious and start chompin' cuz it ain't nothin' but bubble gum
music, bubba!

my .02,
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here's the part regarding ig. if anyone wants to see the whole
article, here's the url:
http://www.uniontrib.com/news/uniontrib/sun/index.html you might
have to click on the "arts" section and then on the "more arts news"
link at the bottom.

if anyone is in san diego, the article in print has a picture of them
in it. it's a common picture of them so it's not that big of a deal,
except that it surprised me to see a picture of them in a san diego
newspaper...
~renee

~~~~~
the folk-rock duo the indigo girls may best exemplify the thriving
side of activist rock. amy ray and emily saliers have had some chart
success during their decade-long career, but are sustained by a large
subculture rather than general adulation. (their recent career
compilation, with liner notes by the feminist susan faludi, was
called "retrospective," not "greatest hits," because the pair hasn't
had enough hits to earn the latter title.) making music that touches
both the mainstream and the underground is just the first
contradiction the duo uses to its advantage.

recording for epic, a major label, the group maintained independence
by also founding the independent daemon records, a co-op run by
artists in its home base of atlanta. extremely supportive of causes
ranging from gay and lesbian liberation to the rights of indigenous
americans, the duo nonetheless mostly records love songs and
uplifting ballads. although the indigo girls' melodious style and
sound directly connect with the women's music movement spearheaded by
such lesbian feminists as holly near in the 1970s, ray, in
particular, associates as closely with the rough-edged,
future-looking punk scene; her solo album, to be released this
spring, features members of the raw-sounding bands the butchies and
the rocka teens.

engaging seemingly opposed forces to further their agenda, the indigo
girls have survived as political artists without need for a single
galvanizing cause. unlike their countercultural forebears, ray and
saliers don't see themselves as part of a historic wave; even as they
work within the corporate music industry, they maintain a position of
relative independence.

"i see the underground -- the internet, independent media, community
radio, indie labels -- as being our lifeblood," ray said in her
keynote speech at the rockrgrl conference for women in music, last
october in seattle.

such a statement by a major-label artist plays down ideological
distinctions between the radical edge and the compromising center in
favor of a down-to-earth approach that opens up activism to everyone.
it fits a vision not oriented around an over-arching movement but
embracing an array of interests, including animal rights,
environmentalism, prison reform and the fights against sweatshop
labor and police brutality. this vision holds up neither the fringe
radical nor the political insider as a hero; it asks everyone to not
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<div>here's the part regarding ig.
if anyone wants to see the whole article, here's the url:</div>
<div>http://www.uniontrib.com/news/uniontrib/sun/index.html
you might have to click on the "arts" section and then on
the "more arts news" link at the bottom.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>if anyone is in san diego, the
article in print has a picture of them in it. it's a common picture of
them so it's not that big of a deal, except that it surprised me to
see a picture of them in a san diego newspaper...</div>
<div>~renee</div>
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<div>~~~~~</div>
<div>the folk-rock duo the indigo
girls may best exemplify the thriving side of activist rock. amy ray
and emily saliers have had some chart success during their decade-long
career, but are sustained by a large subculture rather than general
adulation. (their recent career compilation, with liner notes by the
feminist susan faludi, was called "retrospective," not
"greatest hits," because the pair hasn't had enough hits to
earn the latter title.) making music that touches both the mainstream
and the underground is just the first contradiction the duo uses to
its advantage. 
 
recording for epic, a major label, the group maintained independence
by also founding the independent daemon records, a co-op run by
artists in its home base of atlanta. extremely supportive of causes
ranging from gay and lesbian liberation to the rights of indigenous
americans, the duo nonetheless mostly records love songs and uplifting
ballads. although the indigo girls' melodious style and sound directly
connect with the women's music movement spearheaded by such lesbian
feminists as holly near in the 1970s, ray, in particular, associates
as closely with the rough-edged, future-looking punk scene; her solo
album, to be released this spring, features members of the
raw-sounding bands the butchies and the rocka teens. 
 
engaging seemingly opposed forces to further their agenda, the indigo
girls have survived as political artists without need for a single
galvanizing cause. unlike their countercultural forebears, ray and
saliers don't see themselves as part of a historic wave; even as they
work within the corporate music industry, they maintain a position of
relative independence. 
 
"i see the underground -- the internet, independent media,
community radio, indie labels -- as being our lifeblood," ray
said in her keynote speech at the rockrgrl conference for women in
music, last october in seattle. 
</div>
<div>such a statement by a
major-label artist plays down ideological distinctions between the
radical edge and the compromising center in favor of a down-to-earth
approach that opens up activism to everyone. it fits a vision not
oriented around an over-arching movement but embracing an array of
interests, including animal rights, environmentalism, prison reform
and the fights against sweatshop labor and police brutality. this
vision holds up neither the fringe radical nor the political insider
as a hero; it asks everyone to not glorify his own role but simply
keep involved.</div>
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hi all
i hardly consider britney spears an artist and much less one with any kind of
weight in the womyn's world. yeah, her music sales but so what ? my child is
10 years old and very much into the indigo girls . it would be nice if
magazines like rolling stones would promote womyn that are doing a very valid
work .women that are interested in seing the womyn's community growing in a
positive way and artists that can contribute with their influence in issues
that are very important to all of us like women's rights, the ecology,
etc.... britney, christina ,little kim , leave a lot to desire in terms of
important issues much less an image that is considered positive to young
women in general.
l&l
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<html><body bgcolor="#ffffff">hi all
 i hardly consider britney spears an artist and much less one with any kind of weight in the womyn's world. yeah, her music sales but so what ? my child is 10 years old and very much into the indigo girls . it would be nice if magazines like rolling stones would promote womyn that are doing a very valid work .women that are interested in seing the womyn's community growing in a positive way and artists that can contribute with their influence in issues that are very important to all of us like women's rights, the ecology, etc.... britney, christina ,little kim , leave a lot to desire in terms of important issues much less an image that is considered positive to young women in general.
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reminds me of an ani quote:

"no ani, they aren't women. they *look* a lot like women, but they're not
women" - actually a quote if ani's friend back in the old days....
but you get the point....(quote not exact)

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hey you guys - i'm putting the finishing touches on the calendar for
everyone, and i'm coming up against a problem.  clear, flattering,
color pictures of amy and emily are hard to come by.  if any of you
have good - like at least 300 dpi - scans of some color pictures that
include both girls, and would like to share them for this year's
calendar, please email them to me as an attachment.  i've been trying
to download some off the net, but they're coming out kind of crappy
because i used the best of what i could find last year, and i don't
want to duplicate any of those.  i'm also trying to go all color.  so,
if you can help me out, please do.  i need 7 more photos, and i'd like
to finish this at least in the next 10 days or so.  otherwise, i'm just
omitting january. jan 2001 was in last year's calendar anyhow. :)

let me know, thanks.

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> here's one i can clear up for y'all 'cuz i asked amy the other night when i saw her out....

i used to dream
> with all the force of soylent green ( a reference to the 1970's movie)

d:)

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hello my friends...
did we have a great new years eve, or what!? thank you all for making it
such
a memorable evening. for those of you who could not make the trek, we
happen
to have video... i'll have to have a look at it before i let you see it!
i hope this year brings each of you health, happiness, peace, and
an abundance of blessings.  here's to a fresh start.
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for my new years resolutions, i hope to make more time for the important
things in life...family, friends, sleep, walking in the woods,
reading...how
about you?
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i'm moving forward with the new cd and getting her ready for release.
the
official release date is april 3rd. it looks like the 12 precious
rockin'
jewels will be named...drum roll, please...."hello out there".....is
anybody
listening...besides you, i mean?!!!  now i gotta go take more
photos...hmmmm,
what to do this time?
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the 2001 new years special at www.michellemalone.com is the new live cd
"strange bird vol.3 + strange bird black t shirt for $21...happy new
year!
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thank you for sending me names and addresses of record stores that don't
carry my cd's. we are working hard to get them there! please continue
emailing me with the store names and locations at sbsrecords@aol.com.
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if you are interested in booking me to perform at your
house or university, club or party, castle or apartment, please send
inquiries to windish@wirlwindartists.com.
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as always, thank you for your continued support with live shows, ebay,
and
www.michellemalone.com...and your great emails and letters.
you are too good to me!
thank you all,
michelle malone
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january tour schedule
20  atlanta eddie's attic    7pm all ages 10pm 21+   always non
smoking
               404-377-4976
25  clinton, ny  hamilton college  with jess klein
26  ithica, ny  juno's with melissa ferrick
27  albany, ny  valentines with melissa ferrick

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hey gang,

y&m&t10k wars. an absoulte personal favorite.

when first listening to nis i usally skipped that song. it wasn't until "back
on the bus y'all" that i realized that profound beauty of that song. and the
part where amy kicks in with "..is their ever anything else that makes us
take our different sides?" that is the best 8 seconds on that cd.

but here it goes, my break down of the song.

"you and me and the 10,000 wars. dividing life into fractions of pleasures
and chores"

this line is about how life isn't all fun and games. their is work to be
done. those are the fractions 1/2 work and 1/2 play.

"a bed to be made and a bed to lie in, a hand in th edarker side and our
sights set on zion"

zion being the heavenly city she is talking about our eternal quest toward
the after life. we fraction our life into play and work toward our eternal
goals

"the heart of a skeptic and the mind of a child."

a beautiful line. the skeptic, one who doesn't beleive any thing and the
child who belives anything you tell him (tooth fairy, santa etc) her mind is
skeptical but deep down, her heart wants to beleive it all

"put my life in a box and let my imagination run wild. pour the cement for my
feet"

this is about her having boundries in her life but in her mind she is with
out boundries, but then she remindes us again, that cement is poured for our
feet keeping us exactly where we are

"the heart and the mind on a parrell course, never the two shall meet"

this is a repeat of the line about the heart of a skeptic. our hearts say,
"go for it" our minds, afraid of getting hurt, say "no way!" never the two
shall meet.

"and oh, the disatified with the sattified. everybody loves a melodrama, and
the scandel of a lie."

this is a very true line. it's all about those who havent' tasted success
hating those who had, feeling that the successful are just lucky, give no
credit to their hard work. so we dig deep for the skeletons of those who we
hold in regard just to knock them down, that's the scandel we love.

"still you held your arms open for the prodigal daughter. i see your eyes in
my eyes through my eyes, still water"

the word prodigal is one who is wastfull (or genourous, depending on the
context) so emily is greatfull that even though she is prodigal, and full of
skeletons, she is still accepted into open arms looking into tear filled eyes
reflection her own image.

"try making one and one make one. twist the shapes into everything comes
undone"

i have no idea what she is talking about here. i see or sence that one person
is never really only affecting that persons life, somone else is always
involved.

"watch the wizard behind the curtian. the larger thean life and the power of
seeming certian."

this is such a great line. the wizard who seemes larger then life that you
are so sure can't be beat is just a 4' foot tall green guy who is more afraid
of you then you are them. strange how easy it is to be wrong when you are so
certian.

"the evil ego and the vice of pride, is their ever anything else that makes
us take our different sides?"

love this line too. it's so true. the evil ego and the vice of pride is our
own inability to change our minds to what we have once professed is true. but
even if we feel that what we are saying is wrong the vice of pride keeps us
from changing our side of the argurment!

"i wanted everything to feed me. about as full as i got was of myself and the
upper echoalons of medicority."

what i hear here is wanting to be absorbed by or do the absorbing of the
world. she gets full of herself and the upper protion of the middle ground.
(shouldn't she set her sights higher?)

"after the battle and we're still around. everything once up in the air has
settled down. sweep the ashes, let the silence find us. a monment of peace is
worth every war behind us."

here she is talking about later in life, after the trial is over, all the
dust setteles, and the lessons have been learned, enjoy the lull, embrace the
silence becuase after all is said and done.. a moment of peace is worth all
the fighting we had to go through to have it.

"you and me and the 10,000 wars"

thanks emily.

joe
brooklyn,ny

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lol!

that is exactly what i said!

chalk up two on the side of nirvana-ish sounding.

joe
brooklyn,ny