lifeblood: listlogs: 2001-01b


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date:         mon, 8 jan 2001 00:06:58 -0600
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> "try making one and one make one. twist the shapes into everything comes
> undone"
>
> i have no idea what she is talking about here. i see or sence that one
person
> is never really only affecting that persons life, somone else is always
> involved.

anyone who's ever suffered from deep dark danky depression knows exactly
what this line's about.  everyone tells you that one and one make two (i.e.
just get out of bed, etc.), but sometimes your answer is making one and one
make one.  that's always what it meant to me anyway.  especially when you're
gay, and it seems that all the rules don't apply to you anymore.  therefore,
you have to "twist the shapes until everything comes undone", or, make your
own way by disregarding what you've been told.

scott

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date:         mon, 8 jan 2001 01:27:57 -0500
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> anyone who's ever suffered from deep dark danky depression knows exactly
> what this line's about.  everyone tells you that one and one make two (i.e.
> just get out of bed, etc.), but sometimes your answer is making one and one
> make one.  that's always what it meant to me anyway.

        agreed. but...

>  especially when you're
> gay, and it seems that all the rules don't apply to you anymore.

        especially when you're *anything* that makes you feel outside, i
would say... and most people do feel cut off at some point or another. i'm
personally not a big fan of the argument that certain flavors of pain
(such as those described in ig songs) are only accessible or are more
accessible if one is gay... any kind of pain or experience will suffice. i
think the real achievement of emily's lyrics (and of amy's, though to a
lesser extent) is that she writes so precisely about experiences, in a way
that can be understood to mean many different things. so whether the
inability to twist the shapes properly is because one is gay in a straight
world, or black in a white world, or a republican in a community full of
socialists, the net effect is feeling deeply out of place.
        and to me (not that it's right, just that it's a different angle)
the line "try making one and one make one" is about the difficulty of
contending with two very different people or opinions, and of trying to
merge them into a cohesive or harmonic whole even when they clearly don't
fit.
        as always, ymmv...
        mandy


                big dipper hangin over the city
                you know everything now is different for me
                and it ain't no use in explaining
                 the scenery
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date:         sun, 7 jan 2001 22:35:03 -0800
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personally, i think this means that a lot of times, people in relationships
try too hard to "be" that other person (they become too much alike).
they'll twist the reality of who they "really" are until it all comes
"undone"... and they realize that there are two people involved and that
individuality is a necessity.


> > "try making one and one make one. twist the shapes into everything comes
> > undone"
> >
> > i have no idea what she is talking about here. i see or sence that one
> person
> > is never really only affecting that persons life, somone else is always
> > involved.
>
> anyone who's ever suffered from deep dark danky depression knows exactly
> what this line's about.  everyone tells you that one and one make two
(i.e.
> just get out of bed, etc.), but sometimes your answer is making one and
one
> make one.  that's always what it meant to me anyway.  especially when
you're
> gay, and it seems that all the rules don't apply to you anymore.
therefore,
> you have to "twist the shapes until everything comes undone", or, make
your
> own way by disregarding what you've been told.
>
> scott
>
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date:         mon, 8 jan 2001 08:22:56 -0500
reply-to:     "i am 32 flavors and then some..." <tisara@www.webworqs.com>
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january 8 ('70)
sparkle@primenet.com (pamela shaw)

january 9
(jen lucero)

* live at the uptown lounge, 9 january 1990

january 12
bean@u.washington.edu (ariel)

january 12
indi5479@yahoo.com (chandra)

january 14
bwhite@lenin.cc.rochester.edu (brendan white)
"where there's now one there will be two..."


hippo birdies everyone!!!!! :)

love and devotion,
audra
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date:         mon, 8 jan 2001 07:19:54 -0800
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soilent green is made of people!!!
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date:         mon, 8 jan 2001 07:23:32 -0800
reply-to:     tamera mcnamara <tlmstar@hotmail.com>
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regarding women on rolling stone covers . . . i canceled my subscription to
rs a few years ago, so all my current knowledge of it admittedly comes from
glances at newsstands . . . but i would rather they went back to leaving
women off the cover at all if the women have to be half naked to be on the
cover!!! i don't think i've seen a rs cover with women on it yet that
doesn't look like its competeing with playboy.

shame on rs,
tammy
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date:         mon, 8 jan 2001 10:25:33 est
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hey folks,
    just thought i would pass this on. ig came in at no. 39, but if you look
more closely, you'll find our own sarah pinsker coming in at no. 26!
congrats, sarah!
deb

outvoice - top 50 albums of 2000
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#1 album of 2000:
"all that matters" - mark weigle
visit mark weigle online at <http://www.songs.com/markweigle/>
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position/title/artist/(score)

1. all that matters - mark weigle  (282)
2. i must have been crazy - steve cohen  (206)
3. freedom - melissa ferrick  (134)
4. the truth is - mark weigle  (128)
5. the living dead - scott free  (126)
6. me, too - sonia  (91)
7. out in this world - shawn thomas  (88)
8. night cap - patrick arena & andy monroe  (84)
9. silent too long - steve cohen  (81)
10. come as you are to the father - jeanie  (78)
11. invincible summer - k.d. lang  (76)
12. the storybook - christian andreason  (66)
13. boyz 2 girlz - the kinsey sicks  (64)
14. pink pearl - jill sobule  (61)
15. a crash course in roses - catie curtis  (60)
16. positive - paul lockwood  (58)
17. strong for you - jeff krassner  (54)
18. time on a chain - jallen rix  (51)
19. bodies of water - grant king  (48)
20. perfect in god's eyes - terry lee ousley  (46)
21. queer as folk (nettwerk) - various artists  (41)
22. one night only (the greatest hits) - elton john  (39)
23. twolips - sandra cartolari  (38)
24. the waiting's over - marsha stevens  (38)
25.  private wars - zrazy  (36)
26. charmed - sarah pinsker  (32)
27. follow your star - tom carlisle  (31)
28. michael - lee ellis  (31)
29. free - dana international  (29)
30. breakdown - melissa etheridge  (29)
31. the mochasutra - tori fixx  (26)
32. right where i am - marcus hutcheson  (26)
33. dragapella! - the kinsey sicks  (25)
34. red october - kadie o & the light  (24)
35. surrender - ada perez  (24)
36. bliss - ernest david lijoi  (23)
37. monastery - barry ingle  (22)
38. universal nancy - the bootlickers  (22)
39. come on now social - indigo girls  (20)
40. what i knew - zonna  (20)
41. living a dream - garrin benfield  (19)
42. very sexual man - bob hartmann  (19)
43. mainstreaming vol. 1 - various artists  (18)
44. out of the silence - daniel link  (18)
45. true - dave hall  (16)
46. anywhere with jesus - voices of st. johns mcc  (16)
47. the ghost of will harbut - wishing chair  (15)
48. songs from the last century - george michael  (15)
49. only a whisper - rob nicewarner  (13)
50. radio doria - doria roberts  (13)

outvoice's year-end chart is tabulated by scoring all top ten rankings from
the weekly outvoice charts.  each week, the #1 song is given a score of 10
points, #2 is given a score of 9 points, #3 is given a score of 8 points
and so... down to #10 with receives a score of 1 point.  this process is
repeated every week of the year and then each score is added up for the
final total & position on the year-end chart.  tie votes are positioned
with year-2000 releases ranking higher than pre-2000 releases with overall
chart longevity & peak position taken into consideration.

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date:         mon, 8 jan 2001 10:28:39 est
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i'm really glad amy mentions the lack of
rolling stone coverage on her new solo
album. i kept waiting for a cover or a major
article on ig in rolling stone and i'm still waiting!
once, i even asked the people of this list
to flood rolling stone with emails requesting
a cover story on ig. i think the next cover
story they did was on the girls--the spice girls!!!!

i'm also waiting for a hard cover biography
to be published about ig. melissa e., k.d. lang,
r.e.m. have all had at least one decent
book written about them, why not amy and emily?

in other news, i finally broke down and bought
the "retrospective" cd. i see what everyone meant
about "leaving"; that is another beauty written
by emily. it reminds me of "fare the well" or
"get out the map" a bit, but it is still a winner.

i need to publish a correction here, although
it was posted correctly that my birthday was
jan. 5, i no longer use the rucr57a@prodigy.com
email address. can someone please email me privately
on how to correct this old information on the birthday
listing? i can't seem to get through to the person who controls this
information. any info would be appreciated!

thanks
r.s. wicker

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date:         mon, 8 jan 2001 13:47:33 est
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hey all,
   i think any women who is making in the very male dominated,world of pop
music i.e. brit spears,deserves some credit. yes,she is no huge talent,like
amy&emily,she does not write her own songs,but she does have some natural
abilities,she can sing,and dance.maybe she can never reach most of "us",on an
emotional level,but if you could see the hrs of joy she brings to my 4 yr old
godson,you would all have to give brit her propers.i am way more pissed that
a no talent, biggoted pig like emniem,gets any recognition at all.i think
that female artists need to try to stick together,isn't that what lilith
faire was all about?combining all sorts of music,and making it come
together!! i think thats what we all should try to do as women,and as men
,and musicians,and artists,try to keep it together.draw the lines and
remember it's "us",and them. may be we should start writing letters to rs and
tell them how they are alienating a whole demi-graph,of people who feel
slighted,and maybe won't buy there magizine.just a thought and a quote from
"babs" " we inhabit this tiny planet together,and if we are to survive,it
will have to be togeher,or not at all!!"

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date:         mon, 8 jan 2001 13:24:04 -0600
reply-to:     traci drago <n_d_go_grl@hotmail.com>
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on the rolling stone topic, i just went to their web site and viewed the
covers from 2000.  these are just the music related ones.  definitely a much
bigger variety of artists on the men/boys list.

traci

women
melissa etheridge
mariah carey
britney spears
christina aguilero
madonna

men/boys
backstreet boys
david crosby (if you count him, he was part of the story on melissa)
santana
n sync
dmx
red hot chili peppers
kid rock
blink 182
jakob dylan
backstreet boys again?!?!
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date:         mon, 8 jan 2001 14:46:55 -0500
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on mon, 8 jan 2001, traci drago wrote:

> on the rolling stone topic, i just went to their web site and viewed the
> covers from 2000.  these are just the music related ones.  definitely a much
> bigger variety of artists on the men/boys list.

   does art imitate life or vice versa?

   rs is unabashedly about pop culture (and more-hip-than-thou...yow!), so
whatever is popular is going to be covered, such as the backstreet boys,
britney, etc.  granted, they're also considered a bellweather of that
culture, so it's something of a vicious cycle.  there happen to be more
men/boys in the list of what people want.
   ig can bemoan their lack of coverage in rs.  it's their prerogative, as
it is the prerogative of rs to *not* cover them if their editors don't
want to.  based on artistic daring and album sales, you'd think they'd
have gotten more than a few mentions, but that's just me - part of the
fact that we appreciate people with a more focused (read: not least common
denominator) appeal, is that we have to realize that they're not going to
be as accepted by the unwashed masses(tm) as those who make that global
appeal their end.
   it's doubtful that the entire world will ever discover the raw,
enthusiastic rock 'n' roll of marah, the honky-tonk brilliance of
the peacemakers, or the southern-friend goodness that is michelle
malone.  of course, we can do our best to support those artists and
brainwa...er...expose our friends to them.

   i'm just glad that some bonafide artists made it onto the
cover: santana, jakob dylan, melissa, etc.

   darius

"i've always wanted to smash a guitar over someone's head. you just can't
do that with a piano."
   - elton john

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date:         mon, 8 jan 2001 16:36:44 est
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in a message dated 1/8/01 12:49:00 pm central standard time, emliz92@aol.com
writes:

> that female artists need to try to stick together,isn't that what lilith
>  faire was all about?

no, i'd say that it was about making money....as sort of a gimmick..."ooh,
let's get all these chick bands together.  how novel. "  ok, i'm feeling a
little bitter, too.

on the one hand, fuck rolling stone.  i long to see the girls covered in the
leftie press for their activism (and talent.)   or even in some of those
guitar magazines.  or maybe magazines geared towards women, ie ms.  (which
has covered them, and honored them in the past.)

amy ray's solo effort should be covered front page somewhere.  that is very
true.
does jann wenner know that amy ray exists?  i wonder if he does now.

anyway.  i also always am searching for written material on them...and a book
would be nice.  (anyone want to write one?) (:

-mel

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date:         mon, 8 jan 2001 17:13:21 -0500
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hey-lo hool-indigos!

yes, i have been in hiding, but still listening.  (well, mainly busy with
work.)  i hope you all had some special holidays:
--whether it was with family or friends or at work,
--whether it taught you a lesson about life or helped you reach out to
others,
--whether it was painful because you recently lost a beloved person in your
life or just feeling alone,
--whether it was joyful and cozy, etc.

i apologize to those who are in the same group of holiday card ig
friends--i'm still working on it, despite it being the new year already.
thanks for all the cards--and pictures.  it reminded me of why the music of
the girls meant so much to me the past two years.

home for christmas:
yes, i was home in the warm, sunny southern california environment for a
week.  last friday night, when i was sitting with my cousins in the islands
restaurant in glendale, some familiar chords burst into my ears.  it was
"cold beer and remote control".  oh happy day!  it was the perfect icing to
my christmas vacation.  if anyone works at a chain restaurant that plays
music overhead: do you know how they get their music(non-radio)?

you and me of the 10,000 wars.  when i first heard you guys mention this
song when i was a newbie three years ago, i thought what a strange name for
a song.  and then when i got nis, it hit me like a brick because it
pertained to me and a close cousin who was going through some very rough
stuff with our mutual extended family.  you know how that goes...a rumor,
unjust accusations, the whole bit.  surely, when a relationship, any kind,
breaks down, it is easy to blame the other party.  when in fact, it takes
two.  this song definitely hits a chord with all of us.  the good thing
about fights or disagreements is the peace afterwards.

diane


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hicktruckdriver <dcw2428@osfmail.isc.rit.edu> writes:

> i'm just glad that some bonafide artists made it onto
> the cover: santana, jakob dylan, melissa, etc.

although it would've been nice if melissa made the cover this year for her
musical achievements and not just for obtaining david crosby's sperm

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the rs cover situation is annoying but i don't really blame the editors for
picking the big sellers to get the magazines off the shelf. in fact, it
wouldn't surprise me if the female to male ratio on the rs covers were
actually better than the top 13 listings of the billboard cd/video female
to male ratios.

i am more annoyed at the magazine content, where surely there is enough
room to highlight musicians that interest a wider group of rock/pop music
lovers.

darius - how cool of you to bring up the peacemakers and michelle malone in
your examples (and now i will have to check out marah). their cds are often
neighbors in our carousel at home. the peacemakers are definitely a "guy"
band but i don't think they'll be on the cover of rolling stone anytime
soon.  they didn't make it big at a young age (they weren't even together
then!). i think the age issue affects the men as well as the women. the
folks on the cover of rs are either 20 yrs old and the latest hottest thing
selling cds mainly to the teen-20something group, or they fit that
description (and were on the rs covers) when they started and now they are
mega-stars (i.e. the chili peppers or madonna).

but the peacemakers, like ig, have a devoted fan base with a good internet
and tape trading presence. in fact, now that i think of it, i have
discovered most of the music i love through internet sources as well as
wfuv and wxpn (both of which i access mainly through the internet).  my
listening time and my cd collection have grown immensely in the past 5 yrs
since music communities "for the rest of us" have become available outside
of commercial radio. i haven't read a rs magazine in a good long while. i
guess those covers just didn't do it for me. :)

btw, i know most of you know all about michelle malone by now, but you
should give the peacemakers a try if you get a chance (azpeacemakers.com).
i know they won't appeal to everyone on this list, but the folks who love
them really love them so it's worth a shot. they are a tempe, az band -
southwest honky tonk country rock with a lot of energy and humor. among
their band members are former members of the gin blossoms and the
refreshments (king of the hill theme song). gin blossoms + king of the hill
song. that gives you an idea. their shows are fun. i envy all of you in
phoenix and the west coast who can see them regularly.

-s.

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date:         mon, 8 jan 2001 19:09:51 -0500
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just wanted to share a quick holiday music-sharing story you might
appreciate. i took michelle's cds along to two holiday events to share with
friends and family and in both situations people noticed her stuff. i was
excited.

the first was a pre-holiday ski trip with members of my extended family. i
put "..devil moon" on while we were having a little apres ski party in our
condo. lots of folks asked who it was and where they could get the cd. we
played that cd a lot on the trip. that was fun.

on new year's eve we threw a party for friends and asked everybody to bring
a cd they wanted to introduce to the rest of us. that was fun too. i chose
michelle. again - lots of interest.  and it was great to hear what everyone
else brought. but michelle was the best, of course.

someday if i am lucky i will host a house concert and invite all those
folks back for the real thing!

-susan

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hey folks,

just to let those of you who didn't already know in on a
little secret - there's a michelle malone mailing list.
to subscribe, send the following command in the body of
an email to majordomo@smoe.org:
        subscribe devil-moon

it's a very very quiet list so it'd be nice to get some
new folks over there to breathe some life into it...

cheers,
sherlyn
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fyi: the film's title refers to a precious foodstuff made of soy beans and
lentils.

what exactly does it mean to dream with the force of soy beans and lentils?
:)

~robbin

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>tomboy1969@cswebmail.com wrote:
> > here's one i can clear up for y'all 'cuz i asked amy the other night
>when i saw her out....
>
>
>i used to dream
> > with all the force of soylent green ( a reference to the 1970's movie)
>
>d:)

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on mon, 8 jan 2001 melijoy@aol.com wrote:

> on the one hand, fuck rolling stone.  i long to see the girls covered in the
> leftie press for their activism (and talent.)   or even in some of those
> guitar magazines.  or maybe magazines geared towards women, ie ms.  (which
> has covered them, and honored them in the past.)

   i know "acoustic guitar" did a full-cover feature on them when sots
came out.  it's a great article, with a full transcription of dgtgag,
plenty of nifty talk on instruments and music in general, and a list of
all the gear they use.

   darius

"i've always wanted to smash a guitar over someone's head. you just can't
do that with a piano."
   - elton john

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date:         mon, 8 jan 2001 16:44:24 -0800
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>does art imitate life or vice versa?

this is a really good question, the sick truth of pop culture is that most
of it objectifies and degrades, or simply ignores women for the most part.
it impresses upon girls & young women that their worth is in their bodies,
their superficial beauty - and objects for men's desire. however rs and
other icons can choose not to feed into this or they can promote it and
unfortunately many choose the later - which is why they will not get any of
my hard earned money.

argh,
tammy
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on mon, 8 jan 2001, susan brill wrote:

> i am more annoyed at the magazine content, where surely there is enough
> room to highlight musicians that interest a wider group of rock/pop music
> lovers.

   perhaps they do.  i just judge it by its cover.  :)

> darius - how cool of you to bring up the peacemakers and michelle malone in
> your examples (and now i will have to check out marah).

   imagine the honesty, integrity, and just plain raw excitement and fun
of bruce springsteen in the pre-bitusa days.  transplant it in
philly.  take away the sax (damn...), add banjo.  turn up to 11 ("...it's
one louder.") and let 'er rip.

> the peacemakers are definitely a "guy" band but i don't think they'll be
> on the cover of rolling stone anytime soon.

   lilith wasn't cool because it was a bunch of girls.  it was cool
because the girls rocked -- at least the ones i attended.

> they didn't make it big at a young age (they weren't even together
> then!).

   true, but the pms have definitely been tempered by
success.  "banditos" was my anthem when i was a teenager - roger and ph
have always rocked my world.  and scott johnson was the guitarist in the
gin blossoms...they *have* been on the cover of the rolling stone.

> btw, i know most of you know all about michelle malone by now, but you
> should give the peacemakers a try if you get a chance (azpeacemakers.com).

   i don't think you can pigeonhole the peacemakers.  they're decidedly
southwestern, but not overly so -- when they go hard core honky-tonk, it's
in a self-referential playful sort of way.  they're country music in the
way that steve earle, bonnie raitt, johnny cash, and emmylou harris are --
storytellers first.

   darius

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well, i finally got my hands on a copy of wine x (i know, i know, so late,
but i couldn't find it for the longest time) and of course i immediatly read
the emily article.  great stuff.  and really different from any past
interviews.  since i enjoy wine myself, and i am always interested in wine
recommendations, i was quite pleased to read the article.  and i was quite
excited that she mentioned dean and deluca. d&d is only one of the best
gourmet grocery stores in the country.

anyway, a great article.  and the picture on the cover is very cute.  :-)

:-) karen

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<html><font face=arial,helvetica><font  size=2>well, i finally got my hands on a copy of wine x (i know, i know, so late, <br>but i couldn't find it for the longest time) and of course i immediatly read <br>the emily article.  great stuff.  and really different from any past <br>interviews.  since i enjoy wine myself, and i am always interested in wine <br>recommendations, i was quite pleased to read the article.  and i was quite <br>excited that she mentioned dean and deluca. d&d is only one of the best <br>gourmet grocery stores in the country.
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i've just gotta say . . .

i love 'lucy stoner' my new fave turn it up too loud song! actually i love
any song where amy goes "whooo - hooo" but this one is great.


:-)
tammy

"its a stupid secret white boy hand shake that we'll never be part of.."
                                                   -amy ray

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do you guys think that amy's album will be reviewed in rolling stone?

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<< i don't think i've seen a rs cover with women on it yet that
doesn't look like its competeing with playboy. >>

well.. i have to admit the last rs i bought (aside from the melissa etheridge
family one) was a back issue with laetita casta on the cover... she's cute :)

oh i finally got a replacement liner for the ig self-titled remaster in the
mail today... they actually sent me two (since i called twice) so i have an
extra if someone has been too lazy to call epic themselves.. it's just the
liner though - no cd.

i also have some more barbara kessler sampler cd's to give away so if you
missed out the first time and want one, just e-mail me :)

:) lisa

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>>i know "acoustic guitar" did a full-cover feature on them when sots
came out.  it's a great article, with a full transcription of dgtgag,
plenty of nifty talk on instruments and music in general, and a list of
all the gear they use.>>

yeah, i agree, fantastic amazing article!  i think i read it over at brianclary.com- check out the "guitars" link.

i finally found winex also- gotta love that front cover!!

jason


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if you want the 2001 ig calendar, save this email.  i have finished the
calendar, but it is a monster size-wise.  i will be uploading the
calendar month by month as i have time, and i'll let you know as the
various months are uploaded.  the calendar is better than ever due to
high quality scans and a lot of color, but this goodness comes at a
price of download time, so, be patient with your pc's, they'll be
working hard to bring this to you.  i suggest using the highest speed
connection that you have access to. (ie - if you have t1 at work, now's
the time to use it - this of course, is only helpful if there's a color
printer at work, or a cd-writer, otherwise, you'd have it on your work
pc with no way to get it home...) anyhow...

here's how to get this month, and all future months...
1. go to http://www.idrive.com/tara8595
2. click on "storage".
3. click on "shared".
4. click in checkbox to right of "jan01cal.ppt" (if you have last
year's calendar, no need to download this month, because it's the same
as last year's picture for jan 01.)
5. if you do not have powerpoint, click in checkbox to right of
"ppview97.exe" (this is a freeware viewer so that you can view and
print powerpoint presentations, even if you don't have powerpoint.
6. click "download".
7. in the next screen, click "download" below the file you'd like to
download.  a dialogue box will appear.
8. choose 'save this file to disk', click "ok".  pick where you want
the file to go on your harddrive, and you're set.

after the files have downloaded, simply open the .ppt file.  if you
downloaded the viewer, you'll have to run the .exe file and install the
viewer, *then* you'll be able to open the .ppt file.

i'll let y'all know when subsequent months are ready for download.
files vary in size from 400kb or so, to 8 mb, depending on color and
quality.  for those without color printers, i'm sorry i can't honor
requests to print them out and mail them to you at this time, but
perhaps some other nice soul on the list can help you out if you ask
them.  in addition, if you're a mac user, and this doesn't work for
you, i can't help you at all, i'm not apple-literate.

i had a dream ig was meeting their fanclub (i assume that's us) at a
library.  amy got upset because she was turning 40 (?) - i told her she
had nothing to worry about, we'd still all show up at the shows, in the
front row and all, and she started crying and seemed very happy about
that.  i'm a freak.

-tara

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was the text of the wine x article ever posted?
if so, i missed it.
would someone mind posting it?

thanks,
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http://www.bittersweetmotel.com/
tonight, georgia theater, athens, ga: 7pm & 10pm
(the website lists other theaters which changes/is
updated often)

"todd phillips is the director/producer of bittersweet
motel, the first full-length feature film about phish.
the 84-minute documentary is an uncensored musical
travelogue that follows phish from maine (the great
went, august 1997) to rochester, ny (12/11/97) and
across europe on their summer 1998 tour. concert
footage is interspersed with interview snippets,
backstage scenes, and other comical and/or
illuminating glimpses of life on the road with
phish..." (taken from the website)

just your phriendly reminder.  "strange things happen
when there's a full moon...  good things...  bad
things..." - e.vedder

-mike
a+e=ig

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on tue, 9 jan 2001, michael cunningham wrote:

> http://www.bittersweetmotel.com/
> tonight, georgia theater, athens, ga: 7pm & 10pm
> (the website lists other theaters which changes/is
> updated often)

be aware that there is a scene in this movie that might really annoy
the feminists here.  some horrid fans are given a few minutes to
babble on.  the roses are free makes up for it though.


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"try making one and one make one. twist the shapes into everything comes
undone"

i have no idea what she is talking about here. i see or sence that one person
is never really only affecting that persons life, somone else is always
involved.

ok to me this means...."try making one and one make one"...like you have two
people in a relationship one person and one person, and you want everything
to be perfect in a relationship and become one soul...in harmony.  "twist the
shapes until everything comes undone"....you work so hard at trying to make
it perfect by twisting everything to fit...that it doesn't work and it
finally just comes undone.  and its worse than where it started.

also to me this is probably one of the truest songs about a relationship
where you are so in love with someone but both know that its never going to
work...but neither seem to be willing to let go.  since you are not right for
each other you keep fighting and fighting, but that love keeps you from
saying goodbye.  a lot of times in these relationships one person will ask
the other "if all we do is fight then why do you want to be with me"..or
something to that effect.  which leads to the answer "a moment of piece is
worth every war behind us"...in these relationships many times that is what
people are striving for...they know that they have had peaceful times where
everything is wonderful, and you think that if you work hard enough...or
twist the shapes...that things can always be that peaceful.  so you stick it
out in hopes that one day it will be that moment of peace...always.

just my .02 cents

carla ;o)

"spend my time being broken hearted and grieving bound"  amy ray

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<br>
<br>i have no idea what she is talking about here. i see or sence that one person
<br>is never really only affecting that persons life, somone else is always
<br>involved.
<br>
<br>ok to me this means...."try making one and one make one"...like you have two <br>people in a relationship one person and one person, and you want everything <br>to be perfect in a relationship and become one soul...in harmony.  "twist the <br>shapes until everything comes undone"....you work so hard at trying to make <br>it perfect by twisting everything to fit...that it doesn't work and it <br>finally just comes undone.  and its worse than where it started.  
<br>
<br>also to me this is probably one of the truest songs about a relationship <br>where you are so in love with someone but both know that its never going to <br>work...but neither seem to be willing to let go.  since you are not right for <br>each other you keep fighting and fighting, but that love keeps you from <br>saying goodbye.  a lot of times in these relationships one person will ask <br>the other "if all we do is fight then why do you want to be with me"..or <br>something to that effect.  which leads to the answer "a moment of piece is <br>worth every war behind us"...in these relationships many times that is what <br>people are striving for...they know that they have had peaceful times where <br>everything is wonderful, and you think that if you work hard enough...or <br>twist the shapes...that things can always be that peaceful.  so you stick it <br>out in hopes that one day it will be that moment of peace...always.
<br>
<br>just my .02 cents
<br>
<br>carla ;o)
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> > on the one hand, fuck rolling stone.  i long to see the girls covered
> in the
> > leftie press for their activism (and talent.)   or even in some of those
> > guitar magazines.
>
>
>    i know "acoustic guitar" did a full-cover feature on them when sots
>came out.


acoustic guitar did another full-cover feature back in '91 or so when nis
came out. i still refer to their transcription in that issue of hammer and
a nail - it has a few features of both guitar parts that are nice when
playing with just one guitar. the article and cover photo are good too.

-s.

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>subcityii@aol.com
>
>i'm really glad amy mentions the lack of
>rolling stone coverage on her new solo
>album. i kept waiting for a cover or a major
>article on ig in rolling stone and i'm still waiting!

and she stated her case quite well in the interview.  but in the end i agree with darius -- rs is not dedicated to the best in music, but to pop culture in general.  there are plenty of fine male artists who don't get coverage in rs either.  i think the main reason the girls aren't in rs, in spite of their record sales, is because they don't get radio airplay (review the covers again:  melissa etheridge (that was more of a gossip issue -- the baby exclusive), mariah carey, britney spears, christina aguilera, madonna, backstreet boys,  santana, n sync, dmx, red hot chili peppers, kid rock, blink 182, jakob dylan).  get the picture?

we can debate why they don't get airplay is until the end of time, but i don't hear anyone -- male, female, straight, gay, whatever -- getting airplay with ig-like music.  i'm afraid that it's simply a sad fact of life that except for the rare breakthrough which changes radio formats (i.e. nirvana), the djs just play what the kids want, and the kids want whatever the djs play.

fwiw, the only music magazines i read any more are performing songwriter <http://www.performingsongwriter.com/> and the various online resources on my web page.

>i'm also waiting for a hard cover biography
>to be published about ig. melissa e., k.d. lang,
>r.e.m. have all had at least one decent
>book written about them, why not amy and emily?

this is about the last thing in world that i think they would want. :-)

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>> from: mothertongue rocks my world <mothertongue_rocks@hotmail.com>
>> sent: friday, january 05, 2001 4:39 pm
>> subject: word from the mothertongue 1/5/01

>> > january 2001 events
>> >
>> > 7:30 pm jennifer baumgardner, co-author of the recently published
>> > book "manifesta," which explores the state of feminism today will be
>> > reading
>> > from her book in d.c. on wednesday, 1/10 at the steward mott house. 122
>> > maryland ave. ne washington, d.c.

>> > www.mothertongue.org   info@mothertongue.org
>> > 202/726-1821


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here's the best we could come up with  (with a little help from amy...if anyone knows the two missing words...please help us out)  d:)

i won't be a pawn
we roughed it up when we were young
i won't say so much for that
what do you do when it is done
cause i know
we grow
when it's over

i used to dream
with all the force of soylent green
lazy geese and the weather warm
all my life  of ____________________
well i know
we grow
when it's over

all that time
i spent walking behind
i don't mind
cause now i know

they ran us out of town
aw, c'mon they cut us down
raise the flag of the fealty
all the life of ___________
well i know
we grow
when it's over

all that time
you were walking the line, well
i don't mind
cause now i know

all the time
i spent walking behind you, well
i don't mind
cause now i know
the grow
is over
we grow


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dee, did amy say it was fealty and not field team? otherwise, i say that's
still up for interpretation. and the next line could be "oh the life of
futility." ???

and "lazy geese and the weather warm"? is that amy confirmed?
i believe the next line is "oh my life of humility." but that's just a
guess.

soylent green spoiler alert (for anyone planning to see the film)
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i've since learned that soylent green isn't actually made from soy and
lentils, that's just what the government told the people in the film. as was
already mentioned, it is made from ground up humans. ick.

so what do y'all think amy is trying to say with this lyric? the whole song
for that matter.

~r

>here's the best we could come up with  (with a little help from amy...if
>anyone knows the two missing words...please help us out)  d:)
>
>
>
>i won't be a pawn
>we roughed it up when we were young
>i won't say so much for that
>what do you do when it is done
>cause i know
>we grow
>when it's over
>
>i used to dream
>with all the force of soylent green
>lazy geese and the weather warm
>all my life  of ____________________
>well i know
>we grow
>when it's over
>
>all that time
>i spent walking behind
>i don't mind
>cause now i know
>
>they ran us out of town
>aw, c'mon they cut us down
>raise the flag of the fealty
>all the life of ___________
>well i know
>we grow
>when it's over
>
>all that time
>you were walking the line, well
>i don't mind
>cause now i know
>
>all the time
>i spent walking behind you, well
>i don't mind
>cause now i know
>the grow
>is over
>we grow

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hey all,

one of our very own former listees has started an e-groups list concerning
folk music in mt (see below for info). i thought some of y'all might be
interested, even if you're not from mt. there's a dude from paris on the
list, so don't think you can't join if you're not from these parts.

amy m.

hi fellow music fans and musicians and people i thought might be
interested in this!

i have created an internet list/listserve for us!  i want it to
support the evolution of a the folk scene in missoula and the rest of
montana.  so if you are a folk fan, a musician, a promoter, or just
interested in supporting or being part of the growing folk scene,
please join it!    and please forward this message to anyone else you
know who might be interested.

i was inspired by some of the great music i saw at first night last week.

at first i didnt know if this list was needed since the missoula
folklore society has a list, but i think that one specifically about
music can't hurt...

official description:
this group is for fans of folk music is montana. including
contemporary folk, traditional folk, singer-songwriter, folk-rock,
folk-pop, bluegrass, whatever.   my goal is to create a community of
fans that would help convince musicians from other areas of the
country to come play in montana (i am from boston originally and know
many great artists out there), and just generally be a nice
community.   :)

to get on the list, go here:  http://www.egroups.com/group/folkmusic-montana

thanks!!
jess byers
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bmi's trade mag has a feature  article and picture - its  also up on their
website:
http://www.bmi.com/musicworld/features/200012/indigogirls.asp

sarah
reinventing1@mindspring.com
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wow ... thanks sarah for the link.
yes, the picture is great and i love the hat .
luna

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<html><font face=arial,helvetica><body bgcolor="#ffffff"><font  size=3>wow ... thanks sarah for the link.
<br>yes, the picture is great and i love the hat .
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hey!  congratulations sarah!  you're in some amazing company....

anyone think this article could have used a proofreader????

indigo girls songs have been featured in the films philadelphia and =
girls on the side, and the duo has issued two home videos.

peace,
tim
http://www.mp3.com/timbaldwin

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> http://www.bmi.com/musicworld/features/200012/indigogirls.asp
>
> indigo girls songs have been featured in the films philadelphia and girls
> on the side, and the duo has issued two home videos.
>
>
>   they messed up ... is boys on the side ...not girls .
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<br>indigo girls songs have been featured in the films philadelphia and girls <br>on the side, and the duo has issued two home videos.
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hey folks,

here's the article sarah mentioned - the url to see it online is
http://www.bmi.com/musicworld/features/200012/indigogirls.asp

-sherlyn


---begin article---
indigo girls
marry music and social activism

by rob patterson

the indigo girls have risen beyond being best-selling artists
to become part of the modern cultural landscape, thanks to the
way their songs blend the personal and universal. but after
more than 25 years of friendship and making music together,
some 15 of them on the national recording scene, amy ray and
emily sailers have much to draw from. "we've been through all
the things you go through as a family: death. marriage. people
being born," says ray.

and like good members of their own clan and the human family,
the indigo girls have generously shared their bounty and
personal concerns by working for the social causes they
believe in - the rights of women and indigenous peoples,
environmentalism, economic justice, gay and lesbian rights,
and gun control - as tirelessly as they pursue their music and
taking it to their fans on the road. "the most natural thing
for us is to marry social activism with our music because our
music is so deeply rooted in life issues," explains sailers.

the duo met in elementary school, and built their career from
the grassroots up. after a number of independent records on
their own indigo label, they signed with epic records in 1988.
since then, the girls have enjoyed 10 popular releases, the
latest of which, indigo girls: retrospective, is a 16-track
overview of their career augmented by two new songs. in the
process, they've won a grammy award and earned numerous gold
and platinum album certifications. indigo girls songs have
been featured in the films philadelphia and girls on the side,
and the duo has issued two home videos.

the two talented singer/songwriters have all along displayed
their commitment to touching fans in direct ways, such as
their 1993 "ten-dollar tour," where tickets and t-shirts were
all priced at $10, or a 1998 series of free concerts in high
schools throughout the south, followed by q&a sessions with
their student listeners. the indigo girls have also remained
committed to musical cross-pollination with such activities as
their "suffragette sessions" tour mixing female artists from a
variety of styles, and a week in cuba in 1999 collaborating
and performing with artists there.  when not making music or
pursuing their many favored causes, ray runs her independent
daemon records label while sailers owns a restaurant in
decatur, ga.

when the duo put out their first major label album, ray told
an interviewer, "we never expected to be on a major label and
we're a little nervous about it. we'll more or less function
the way we always have. no matter how many people we play for,
it's always important to reach each one of them.  that isn't
going to change." and it hasn't.

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as per someone's request (i can't remember who now), here you go...

emily saliers of the indigo girls
by bob blumer

"ooooh, this is making me feel good all over. yeah, baby, rrreally
good. and it's sooo big. mmmm, and so soft. it's making my lips
quiver. owww!"

there i was, in an anonymous memphis hotel room, in the heat of a
sweltering summer day, clutching the telephone receiver with one hand
while the other hand was busy...pouring wine.

don't get any ideas. i was turned on by the occasion, but that's because
it was wine x's first-ever simultaneous telephone tasting. my partner on
the other end of the line was indigo girls' emily saliers. i'd heard emily
was a co-owner of watershed, hands-down atlanta's hippest wine
bar-restaurant. but when i learned she actively chooses the restaurant's
wines, i knew we had to hook up.

easier said than done. emily was in the midst of a marathon nine-month,
160-city tour for the indigo girls' latest release, come on now
social. and i was spending the entire summer criss-crossing the continent
in a giant toastermobile. (see the next issue of wine x for a slice of
life on the road.) atlanta was on my schedule, though. so i called
watershed to see what we could do.

the restaurant, actually located in decatur, just outside atlanta, has an
exceptionally well-chosen wine list, and the kitchen's sophisticated riffs
on down-home southern cuisine are to die for. (i'm still jonesing for some
of the white bean hummus.) over more than a few glasses of wine,
watershed's owners (sans emily) and i became fast friends. susan owens,
and old college friend of emily's from tulane, is in charge of the
restaurant's retail section, and she and emily both buy the wines. ross
jones deals with accounting and business operations. and leslie zweben
oversees the kitchen. it's all very cozy: four best friends; two couples
(emily and leslie; susan and ross); one restaurant. but still no emily.

but where there's a will, there's a way. so i had four california reds
shipped to emily and me: beringer private reserve cabernet sauvignon,
silver oak cabernet sauvignon, joseph phelps insignia and cateau st. jean
cinq cepages - all from the excellent 1995 vintage. (thank you,
darryl.) on a weekend off from her tour, emily called me from her getaway
cabin she shares with sue, ross and leslie. over the phone, we sniffed,
sipped, gurgled and laughed as we tasted our way through our wines.

emily saliers: i'm drooling over these wines. i can't wait.

bob blumer: let's try the cinq cepages first.

(slurping sounds.)

bb: can you describe where you are right now? i mean, without giving the
specific latitude and longitude.

es: i'm in a cabin in north georgia, where we're all seated around this
gorgeous poplar table. and the dogs are outside barking 'cause they can't
come in.

bb: is there a lake?

es: a couple miles away.

bb: heat?

es: yup.

bb: plumbing?

es: (undecipherable laughter) and we're in a valley surrounded by
trees. pretty bucolic.

bb: what's goin' on?

es: we're skippin' ahead...to the beringer.

bb: this is gonna be a short interview. whadda'ya think?

es: i get a lot of alcohol in the nose and a lot of cherry up
front. cherry, chewy, smoky. we've had the beringer reserves since '91.the
'93 reserve's one of my favorites. we stocked up on the '93s cause they
just blew our minds. all the beringer reserve cabernets are so balanced,
deep and chewy.

bb: do you have a private stash?

es: yeah, i keep most of it at a friend's house. they have a
temperature-controlled room. their stuff's all neatly packed away in
wooden wine racks and ours, of course - since i'm on the road and our
lives are in limbo - are still in the case boxes.

bb: how many bottles do you have?

es: around 700.

bb: do you take wine on the road with you?

es: no, we drink wine on the road, but it's too hard to transport. amy
[ray] (other half of the indigo girls) doesn't drink but most of the other
band members enjoy wine, so after a show we'll turn up the music and just
sit and groove. we're not focused on the wine, so it's not really worth
bringing a bunch of prize bottles. what i like is going into town on a day
off and visiting a local wine shop. i pick out some of my favorites that
are pretty reasonably priced, like the grgich hills cabernet and mason
sauvignon blanc. they're delicious. and estancia...the meritage. i'm
really into finding wines in the $20 range that're really good.

bb: since you tour so much, doesn't it kill you to be away from all those
bottles for so much of the year?

es: for our cellar we only pick vintages that're going to get better with
age. they'll sit there for five or six years...i'll forget i even have
them. it's like this little present for the future. when i'm home, we go
over to sue's place a lot...they have a pool and a place to cook
out. that's when we crack our nice bottles.

bb: should we move on to the silver oak next?

es: silver oak is one of my favorites, too. a few months ago we drank an
'84 and a '78 alexander valley. they were so different from each other,
but each was just wonderful. i love silver oak wines - the cedar and the
oak. i love all that woodsy stuff. (tastes.) yup, on the nose, burnt cedar
and pepper.

bb: way more tannin than the other two.

es: much more like a classic bordeaux. you get that smoke and that cedar -
my favorite kind of flavor. that's why i like bordeaux. you have your
first sip and it's like chewing on a pencil. i love that quality in big
fat reds. this is the most fun interview i've ever done in my life.

bb: do you follow others' advice in terms of what to buy and what to lay
down?

es: not really, i just go with the mac daddys that i'm sure of. like all
of these wines, for instance. and word of mouth. like the cinq
cepages. sue found that. we just go by our palate a lot.

bb: do you remember our first glass of wine?

es: it was at a seder, when i was about 10 years old. i remember thinking,
oh my god, there are four of these and you get to drink them all. and then
it was a very long time until i had another glass of wine. sue really
turned me on to wine in a big way.

bb: on the lilith fair tour...any favorite artists you played with or hung
out with?

es: we met a lot of people on lilith fair. as a matter of fact, we got our
whole new band there. they were playing with sinead o'connor and john
reynolds. amy was asking for sinead's help on some songs, and sinead
suggested we talk to john. so amy started talking to john about her songs,
and we started playing poker with them backstage...

bb: that's how you audition musicians?

es: they had music blasting, they were drinking red wine - cheap red, but
that's okay, we won't judge them for that - and we were hanging out. next
thing you know, we're talking about going over to john's flat in
london. and that's where we started our last record, over there. lilith
was a definite shot in the arm for our career. we were feeling kinda
bummed. and then we got out there and there was all that inspiration and
great crowds...it really helped us a lot.

bb: has sinead ever forgiven you for stealing her band?

es: sinead changes a lot. she's always reinventing herself. she moved on
to other things. and not because of us. the band would've played with her
again and we would've worked out the timing.

bb: is there anyone you haven't played with that you'd like to?

es: i'd love to play with stevie wonder. i'd love for gladys knight to
sing on one of our records. i'd love to do something with joni (mitchell),
my personal favorite.

bb: we're on to the insignia.

(sounds of slurping)

es: wow. awesome. very long finish. we're gonna do a quick comparison of
the insignia and the silver oak.

bb: being the pinot whore that i am, i'm much more drawn to the beringer,
just because it's softer. it's funny, if you blind tasted it you might
think it was a killer pinot.

es: i hear you. i tasted that. and i'm not so much of a pinot person. some
pinots are so strawberry. so that's probably my least favorite red.

bb: what're they saying in the background there?

es: sue's saying that the silver oak carries you from the beginning all
the way to the end. it's equally balanced. she agrees with you, bob, about
the pinot nose on the beringer. hey, do you know the ponzi reserve, the
pinot?

bb: no.

es: oh, you gotta get some of that. i'll send you a bottle of mine. you'll
dig it.

bb: one hundred and sixty shows is an awfully long tour. do you burn out?

es: actually, it's pretty well-balanced. we go home every three weeks or
so and don't play more than four shows in a row. and after touring we take
breaks. the four of usare going to france and italy in
september. (sips.) by the way, we're all sweating profusely.

bb: (laughs) this is tough work. what made the four of you decide to open
a restaurant?

es: we wanted to go into some kind of business together. i was just coming
off the road, had about a half year off, and the four of us got together
and tossed around some ideas and...

bb: what were some of your other ideas?

es: like, a moving business (group laughter). we even thought of a name
for it: elers family movers. it was so silly because it had our first name
initials (emily, leslie, ross, sue) in the title.

bb: it could've been huge.

es: yeah. but instead we decided to open watershed. we took our
inspiration from stores like dean & deluca and oakville grocery - a
cornucopia of hedonistic delights. we wanted it to be a mom-and-pop, and
we wanted it to be in decatur, which is a small community. we wanted a
place where you could come in and feel casual and have an awesome wine by
the glass. you can take wine home from the retail section, you can pick up
flowers for your date or loved ones and then have some memorable food. but
the longer our chef, scott peacock, stayed with us, the more watershed
became focused on the restaurant aspect. we rely on fresh vegetables and
seasonal and organic produce. we support local farmers. nothing comes from
a can.

bb: (reacting to background chatter) what're they saying?

es: sue's eating chocolate with the insignia. she's freaking out.

bb: you said that amy doesn't drink at all?

es: not at all.

bb: did she ever?

es: she did. but she didn't stop because she had to. she's just very
disciplined and it didn't do anything for her.

bb: so you don't have to hide your wine in a paper bag when you're
drinking around her.

es: not at all. she's totally cool about it. she's not judgmental about
it. she's a huge mountain biker, hiker and all that stuff. i'm the really
hedonistic one of the duo.

bb: and isn't that part of what makes working relationships work...that
each person brings something different to the table?

es: there's no doubt our differences have been why we've been together so
long.

bb: when you pick the social issues you two champion, do you have to
discuss them first to see where you side on them?

es: for most every issue we feel the same way. our stances come from the
belief that people should each other well, and there's great disparity
between those who have and those who have not. we just look to systems of
oppression, like corporate globalization for one, and try to get a
foothold and do grassroots activism and work with mentors. so, for the
most part, we're really coming from the same paradigm.

bb: how do you feel about the napster issue?

es: i'm not sure yet. amy and i are a big bootleg band. if you come and
tape our show, that's fine with us. but i also feel for musicians
struggling and making their own records for 10 grand and then their music
gets up on the 'net and someone's able to trade it without paying for
it. then they can't even scrape a living together.

bb: did you ever think you'd find yourself in the position of being so
commercially successful?

es: no way. when i was a kid i used to write stories about girls who
played guitar, who were on their way to success. i always played in
clubs, and amy played in clubs, and then we joined forces. then we ended
up going to the same school. but it was always like, hey, let's learn some
songs together. or let's play this nightclub. it was little by little.

bb: what was the sensation when your first album came out and you became
a classic overnight success?

es: well, i never expected to be successful like that. we were just a
couple friends making music.

bb: how'd you deal with it?

es: it was hard at the beginning. i mean, overnight we became familiar
names. the record sold a lot better than we expected. and then we won a
grammy. that's about the only time in our 20-year professional
relationship that amy and i have ever fought...right when all that stuff
was happening.

bb: what'd you fight about?

es: it's just that when you get so stressed you fight with the people you
love most, 'cause you're just so fucking stressed. it was just all of a
sudden. before, when we were a bar band, we'd play 13 nights in a row 'til
three in the morning. but somehow it all changed when there was so much
focus and pressure. and the gigs got bigger, adn we were doing press, tv
and all this stuff we'd never done before. i think it just kinda freaked
us out. i mean, it was weird. it was a huge transition. but then
everything settled down. so we feel really good that we're still a
grassroots band with a bar band mentality.

bb: it doesn't take long to realize that you're the same person on and off
stage.

es: amy and i never had an image or anything. we were never sold by
image. which is one reason why we've had trouble getting a stronger
foothold as the years pass. we're not at the zenith of our career right
now. we're hanging on, but it's not the way it used to be when, say, rites
of passage came out. now it's more like we're just playing our gigs and
thankful for our fans who remain loyal. but there's no image that we're
selling. we dress the way we dress. and the fact that we're gay has a lot
to do with it. there's a lot of sexism in the industry...it's such a
male-dominated industry. and we just fight against that stuff.

bb: has it become any easier over the years?

es: i think so, some. i think it's easier to be out as an artist than it
is to be out as a teacher, or even as an athlete. for us, it's always been
easy because we're entertainers. i remember when i was an adolescent - not
even when i was coming out, but just during my adolescence - and there
were certain artists i really hooked into. they were my outlet in
life. and so i think, especially if you're a young, gay person and you
have a gay artist whose music you're really into, it's a very strong,
positive force during a difficult time.

bb: how old were you when you came out?

es: about 20.

bb: does it make you proud to be an example like that for the next
generation?

es: i feel really fortunate across the board...that we're able to live an
honest life. it's a lot harder for a lot of people. i don't know if i'd
have the courage if i were in other circumstances. but this is my
situation, so i just try to be as responsible as possible.

bb: do you ever get involved in politics?

es: we don't endorse candidates. but if you look closely enough, you can
tell who we might vote for. we mostly support issues and causes, not
candidates. we've had people who've wanted to come (to our shows) and do
canvassing, but we draw the line there.

bb: i'm sure george w. tried to enlist you to write his campaign theme
song.

es: i have to say, i hope he doesn't get elected. i hope there's a day
when the death penalty is abolished in this country. it's barbaric and
wrong. and a day when politicians aren't so...so heavily influenced by
money. we need more parties - stronger third, fourth, fifth parties,
whatever it takes.


amy m.

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>  >cause i know
>  >we grow


uh...so i guess it's not "eat crow?"  hahahahahahah, i swear that's
what i heard :-)

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okay,

i'm going to open myself up for flames here, but try to be sympathetic (i
just started back my last semester of college, and i may not come across so
well these days).  has anyone ever noticed that ol' jb likes to mention the
fact that she sleeps with ar all of the time!  i mean once, cool, but i've
read like five articles of hers and it seems like there's always something
about her sexual relationship with ar.  sometimes, it's hard for me to even
take her seriously because of this impression.  almost like she wears ar
like a pair of diamond earrings.

just my two cents, though; feel free to ignore...

take care, mis amigos,

s.

p. s. late bloom lyrics:  i think amy pretty much is writing a punk song
(yeah, i know, great interpretation, scott).  but, more than that, punk is
known for juxtaposing what seems like stream of consciousness pop culture
images together.  i think that's where soylent green comes in.  also, if i
remember the movie correctly (and what a strange strange movie it was),
soylent green was supposed to solve the world's hunger.  "i used to
dream/with all the force of soylent green".  is she saying that she is
dreaming with all the force of soylent green the food or "soylent green" the
movie, where a panacea is found out to be worse than the disease?  okay, the
more i'm writing this, the more i have a clue that i don't have an idea what
the lyrics mean....:)

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hey y'all....

i happened upon this link while checking out an artist on mp3.com who had
emailed me to request consideration for a spot on one of my stations.....

http://www.blackfriday2001.com/

peace,
tim
http://www.mp3.com/timbaldwin

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and while we're critiquing, why does emily look like a talk show host in =
that picture?? :)

s.

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just a quick nigc note....everyone please stay tuned tonight on mtv for the
documentary/movie about the moments leading up to the death of matthew
sheperd....it's starts at 8:00 eastern time....on mtv...i can't say much for
mtv....since they are airing this movie, but they continue to play artists
such as eminen...but maybe they are trying...stay tuned...maybe it'll help
people become aware....take care and have a good day everyone...

annamarie

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for those of you who like poe, there will be an interview and performance at
http://www.soundbreak.com jan 12th at 4:00 pm est. you'll need realplayer.

~robbin

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amy only confirmed the one line...the others we came up with from hearing it in a soundcheck and comparing that version and this one...guess no one will know for sure until the lyrics are posted at daemon or the cd comes out....


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hey.. does anyone know the name of tracks 6, 9, and 11, immediately following
danny's song, her town, and back together again?  i away at college and dont
have the cd case.. thanks!  this is on levees that break in my heart
cheers-
et

"i thought i was loud before, but now im really loud" ~ar

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since we are talking about misheard lines...or lines that we don't quite
know yet...e.g. "late bloom".....i have a hysterical one....in
"reunion"....for the longest time i thought....the line was "pretty
pretenders....negligent "benders".....instead of "vendors"....once i found
out...i was like..."wait a minute...what "benders aren't negligent
anyway...."....hehe....so bad...oh, well...hope i made someone laugh...

annamarie

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single by them - "goodnight moon" - but it's really good. almost like =
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reply-to:     "s. bugante" <shaniezak@la-ex-heds.com>
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<< has anybody else heard of this band called shivaree? i've only heard one
single by them - "goodnight moon" - but it's really good. almost like dark,
twisted country music....   >>

worldclassrock.com has been playing "goodnight moon" for quite some time
now.  it's a very cool song, i agree.  they also played "get out the map" a
couple of hours ago so i'm quite happy.  ;)

sharon g. s. bugante -- shaniezak@la-ex-heds.com
http://www.la-ex-heds.com -- a tribute to hedwig l.a.
~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~
icq:25908009, aol/aim: yitzakfan
"'cause when you live in a world, well, it gets into who you
thought you'd be, and now i laugh at how the world changed me;
i think life chose me after all." -- dar williams, "after all"

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date:         wed, 10 jan 2001 18:35:29 -0500
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subject:      re: jennifer baumgardner in d.c. tomorrow, 1/10
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i wasn't aware of this...can anyone help me out? when does she say this and
where?
also, what do you all think of us getting really excited about this woman,
many of us just because she's involved with amy?  i have nothing against
anyone supporting a good feminist writer, but it ought to be because she's
a good feminist writer, not because she's connected romantically to someone
we all admire...
sharon, also ducking flame.

at 02:04 am 1/10/01 -0600, w. scott whitlock wrote:
>okay,
>
>i'm going to open myself up for flames here, but try to be sympathetic (i
>just started back my last semester of college, and i may not come across so
>well these days).  has anyone ever noticed that ol' jb likes to mention the
>fact that she sleeps with ar all of the time!  i mean once, cool, but i've
>read like five articles of hers and it seems like there's always something
>about her sexual relationship with ar.  sometimes, it's hard for me to even
>take her seriously because of this impression.  almost like she wears ar
>like a pair of diamond earrings.
>
>just my two cents, though; feel free to ignore...
>
>take care, mis amigos,
>
>s.

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date:         wed, 10 jan 2001 19:38:26 -0500
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> also, what do you all think of us getting really excited about this
woman,
> many of us just because she's involved with amy?  i have nothing against
> anyone supporting a good feminist writer, but it ought to be because she's
> a good feminist writer, not because she's connected romantically to someone
> we all admire...

*^_^* i fall into this trap. i really want to like that book
_manifesta_ that jennifer baumgardner co-wrote. i haven't read it, but
i really want to like it. i've read lots of reviews, & seen some
online discussion about it, that makes it sound like it's pretty
cruddy, tho'. & i feel bad about that. b/c it's amy's so. silly of me,
i know.

btw thanks for everyone who gave me info on that amyray.com thing! i
was kind of hoping the owner'd be on the list & poke her head up &
give us a sneak preview or something. i feel a bit weird about
e-mailing her out of the blue, tho'.

http://www.freespeech.org/sugoi

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date:         wed, 10 jan 2001 21:13:46 -0500
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ok i have to step in here and say, jb is an excellent writer and so is her
co-author amy richards.  the book is excellent.  i say this from a former
non-feminist perspective.  i encourage everyone to at least give the book a
chance and read it.  it really is hard to put down.

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being out and gay matthew shephard was just another martyr for the gay
community to me.  i was only 17 when he was killed and up until this point i
knew very lil about him.  his life was taken for something i and many others
take for granted everyday.  i come from country alabama and even though i
live in a place where you think hate would be a family value i have never
experienced it.  the truth though is that even though i have not many have
here in alabama and all over the world.  this is the reason now that i want
to give thanks for the many figures i have in my life.  my family who accepts
me for who i am for rainbow youth(bham's gay youth group), the indigo girls
and there fight for all groups not just the gay community, and for my
supportive friends who have stuck with me through everything.  i for one now
feel empowered by seeing this movie and i hope it has moved the hearts of
others.
peace love and indigo,
chris

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my computer doesnt download and i was wondering if anyone would be kind =
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date:         thu, 11 jan 2001 00:13:41 -0500
reply-to:     annamarie <annamarie1974@hotmail.com>
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right on, chris....i am a straight woman, married with a child, but my
closest friends are gay, and i have learned a great deal through
them....seeing this movie has also helped me to understand what it must =
be
like to be gay....it has enpowered me also..giving me a feeling of =
peace,
love and initiative to take back what i feel has been taken from the gay
community...i am standing up now....and if my son is gay...so be it...i =
will
support him in whatever he choices....so he will be well-adjusted, loved =
and
accepted by me....thanks for listening and giving us a little part of
yourself...take care...

annamarie

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> being out and gay matthew shephard was just another martyr for the gay
> community to me.  i was only 17 when he was killed and up until this =
point
i
> knew very lil about him.  his life was taken for something i and many
others
> take for granted everyday.  i come from country alabama and even =
though i
> live in a place where you think hate would be a family value i have =
never
> experienced it.  the truth though is that even though i have not many =
have
> here in alabama and all over the world.  this is the reason now that i
want
> to give thanks for the many figures i have in my life.  my family who
accepts
> me for who i am for rainbow youth(bham's gay youth group), the indigo
girls
> and there fight for all groups not just the gay community, and for my
> supportive friends who have stuck with me through everything.  i for =
one
now
> feel empowered by seeing this movie and i hope it has moved the hearts =
of
> others.
> peace love and indigo,
> chris
>
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date:         thu, 11 jan 2001 07:52:02 -0600
reply-to:     sheryl jones <sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu>
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i love the book.  i also love other things jb has written.  i must admit, i
didn't know who she was before i found out she was going out with amy, but i
don't force myself to like her work, i just do.

--------------------
sheryl jones
sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu
carla sloan:http://www.geocities.com/caralsloan
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date:         thu, 11 jan 2001 11:47:15 est
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hey folks,
    i apologize if i missed any posts on this in recent days. operating on
partial brain power, with a terrible cold.
    just a reminder that until jan. 20, president clinton has the power to
issue pardons and clemency for people wrongly in jail, and there is renewed
interest in pushing for the freedom of leonard peltier, who is alleged to
have been framed by the fbi in the case of two murdered agents. (ig content:
"bury my heart at wounded knee" -- the bullets don't match the gun).
    for information about this case you can check out http://freepeltier.org
deb

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date:         thu, 11 jan 2001 14:03:46 -0500
reply-to:     lia kueck <aeig2317@hotmail.com>
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hi folks, i've been off the list for a while now, but i'm back...and i've
been doing some cleaning up of my ig collection. i'd like to offer this
stuff to all of you and see if i can't sell some of it. i'm not going to put
any prices down because most of this stuff was bought off of ebay...and i
probably paid way too much for it. so if you're interested in anything, you
can email me with an offer...i'm flexible. ok, here's the list...

1. live at the fillmore dvd
2. indigo girls 4.5
3. xl beige swamp ophelia t shirt. album cover on front, list of dates on
back
4. xl green get out the map t shirt. picture of two women standing by a
fence with indigo girls and get out the map at the top and bottom of the
picture. the shaming of the sun and indigo girls vertically on the back.
5. shades of indigo vinyl
6. self titled album vinyl
7. autographed swamp ophelia vinyl...was opened but still has the seal of
authenticity with it
8. cardboard swamp ophelia promotional stand up

cd singles:
least complicated
i don't wanna talk about it
joking
shame on you
get together
get out the map
touch me fall
peace tonight
go
watershed

please email me if you're interested...thanks
lia
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date:         thu, 11 jan 2001 11:11:22 -0800
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calendar months jan-september are available for download.  see
instructions below...

thanks to joanm12345@aol.com for providing a picture, also to susan
bould, and karen shealy.  in addition, thanks to lisa's picture page,
and the lifeblood links for providing some of the others.

also, thanks to all others who sent photos that didn't get used,
generally it was just an issue of clarity upon printing, and had
nothing to do with how 'good' a picture was.

i'll continue to let you know when the rest of the year is ready.

--- tara lane <tara8595@yahoo.com> wrote:
> if you want the 2001 ig calendar, save this email.  i have finished
> the calendar, but it is a monster size-wise.  i will be uploading the
> calendar month by month as i have time, and i'll let you know as the
> various months are uploaded.  the calendar is better than ever due to
> high quality scans and a lot of color, but this goodness comes at a
> price of download time, so, be patient with your pc's, they'll be
> working hard to bring this to you.  i suggest using the highest speed
> connection that you have access to. (ie - if you have t1 at work,
> now's the time to use it - this of course, is only helpful if there's

a color printer at work, or a cd-writer, otherwise, you'd have it on
your work pc with no way to get it home...) anyhow...
>
> here's how to get this month, and all future months...
> 1. go to http://www.idrive.com/tara8595
> 2. click on "storage".
> 3. click on "shared".
> 4. click in checkbox to right of "jan01cal.ppt" (or any other month
desired - if you have last year's calendar, no need to download this
month, because it's the same as last year's picture for jan 01.)
> 5. if you do not have powerpoint, click in checkbox to right of
> "ppview97.exe" (this is a freeware viewer so that you can view and
> print powerpoint presentations, even if you don't have powerpoint.
> 6. click "download".
> 7. in the next screen, click "download" below the file you'd like to
> download.  a dialogue box will appear.
> 8. choose 'save this file to disk', click "ok".  pick where you want
> the file to go on your harddrive, and you're set.
>
> after the files have downloaded, simply open the .ppt file.  if you
> downloaded the viewer, you'll have to run the .exe file and install
> the viewer, *then* you'll be able to open the .ppt file.
>
> i'll let y'all know when subsequent months are ready for download.
> files vary in size from 400kb or so, to 8 mb, depending on color and
> quality.  for those without color printers, i'm sorry i can't honor
> requests to print them out and mail them to you at this time, but
> perhaps some other nice soul on the list can help you out if you ask
> them.  in addition, if you're a mac user, and this doesn't work for
> you, i can't help you at all, i'm not apple-literate.

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        hey folks
        i mentioned this back in november, but it can't hurt to bring it
up again.

                        caroline aiken
                   live and in (house) concert
                     saturday, feb. 3rd, 8pm
              $10 at the door for show and munchies
                        philadelphia, pa

        for more information, directions, or reservations, please email
dead_horse_commune@yahoo.com. i can also help you with the first two.

        as far as i know, caroline's only other date in the northeast this
tour is a club date in chester, ny, a split bill with sonia of disappear
fear. and, as neil and many others will tell you, ain't nothin' like a
house concert, and caroline's an amazing performer. so pack the car for a
few hours' driving. call your friend in philly and beg a night's use of
the couch. just make sure you make it to this show. we have about forty
spaces total, so don't wait too long... :)
        take care, y'all -
        mandy


                big dipper hangin over the city
                you know everything now is different for me
                and it ain't no use in explaining
                 the scenery
                                                *ar*

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>from:    john bond <john.bond@lineone.net>
>subject: nigc : good new music....
>
>has anybody else heard of this band called shivaree? i've only heard one =
>single by them - "goodnight moon" - but it's really good. almost like =
>dark, twisted country music....

if you want to hear clips of the rest of the album, it's at cdnow <http://cdnow.com/from=sr-20927>.  here's the cdnow review:

>in the tradition of great female country-rock vocalists like maria mckee and the cowboy junkies' margo timmins comes shivaree vocalist ambrosia parsley, an enticing talent you can't ignore.
>shivaree's often haunting, southern gothic (in the vein of author william faulkner) debut, i oughtta give you a shot..., is highlighted by the contrast of parsley's vocals -- she can be either childlike or a tantalizing seductress, depending on the mood of the song, with an almost eerie ease.
>the band's eccentric style is established immediately with the 48-second introduction, "cannibal king," a "song" with the authentic feel of a '30s or '40s-era radio jingle. the first real taste of parsley comes with the rhythmic, almost trip-hoppy-meets-calypso "bossa nova," a song that would've been right at home on any of lisa germano's underrated early-'90s work. on the melancholy "arlington road," parsley's vocals float on the soft clouds provided by the band's celestial backdrop.
>i oughtta give you a shot... makes a memorable first impression. when the last note has played, you may wonder if it was real or just a dream, but you will remember it.
>steve baltin

thanks for the tip... with comparisons to mckee, cowboy junkies, and lisa germano, i can't wait to get it!

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hey folks,

here's the latest epic mailer...

-sherlyn

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date: thu, 11 jan 2001 13:09:41 -0800
from: newsletter@news.indigogirlsdirect.com
subject: free download from amy ray's stag

dear friends of indigo girls,

happy new year! hope that 2001 is off to a rockin' start for everyone.

although the indigo girls have officially been taking time off,
amy has been busy finishing her much-awaited solo album, stag. the
cd will be in stores and available online in march. you will be able
to preview a few tracks as they are released as free mp3 downloads at
http://news.indigogirlsdirect.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/mcp?p=63pb203pb64sear01200medered8f
or
http://news.indigogirlsdirect.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/mcp?p=63pba03pb64sear01200medered8f
go there now to download the song "late bloom" and check back for
other tracks soon to come. for more information on stag, including
amy's spring tour schedule (as soon as it's confirmed)
behind-the-scenes video, online chats, photo gallery, new bio and
song lyrics, check out the daemon records site, daemonrecords.com,
as well as indigogirls.com.

back by popular demand, we've got the autographed, double-sided "come
on now social" posters in stock! go and get yours at:
http://news.indigogirlsdirect.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/mcp?p=63pbg03pb64sear01200medered8f

coming soon: indigo girls dickies jackets! stay tuned...

lastly, don't forget that point hope is still available for download
at http://news.indigogirlsdirect.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/mcp?p=63pbd03pb64sear01200medered8f. it's not available anywhere
else -- and, all proceeds benefit honor the earth.

warmest wishes to all for happy and healthy new year.

jamie
indigogirls.com

official store:  http://indigogirlsdirect.com
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reply-to:     "mandy (just mandy)" <eburton@brynmawr.edu>
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        hey y'all -
        i'm talky today, so i mashed it all together into one post.

1. i was really interested in a comment emily made in the winex interview
(thanks for posting it, amy!)

        "we're not at the zenith of our career right now. we're hanging
on, but it's not the way it used to be when, say, rites of passage came
out. now it's more like we're just playing our gigs and thankful for our
fans who remain loyal."

        i thought this was a strange comment when i first read it, and the
more i think about it the more i disagree. it seems to me that their
fanbase has been swelling consistently all along; in fact, it got a real
shot in the arm when sots came out. i know a lot of people on this list
would argue that ig peaked musically in the rop/so era, but how many of us
were fans when those records were originally released? i see tons of fans
at every show who are my age, and herds that can't be much older than 16;
i doubt that many of us young'uns have been tuning in since 1992. then
again, maybe i think that because i only started listening in '96. what do
other folks here think? i'm curious to hear the perspectives of long-time
fans in this...

2. while we're still sort of of the song dissection thread, i have a
question. the final track of shades is daddy's all gone (and if you don't
have that recording, get somebody to boot it for you or go trolling on
napster) and during the intro, amy and emily sort of talk about how it was
one of the first songs they learned, back in high school when they didn't
know when it was about. then they both chime in "now we know." and that
always makes me feel stupid, because i'm long out of high school and i'm
not certain i do know exactly what it's about. anybody have any thoughts?
i don't need a full exigesis, just a basic explanation.

3. for anybody who saw my post earlier and doesn't know who caroline aiken
is, go to the official site and rewatch the backstage interview from this
past summer. amy and emily spend a couple of minutes discussing the
seminal influences on their career, and emily, in particular, talks about
caroline a lot. if you read manifesta because jennifer baumgardner is
amy's girlfriend, you can certainly take a trip over to
http://www.songs.com/silverwolf/caroline/index.html to read the press
blurb and listen to a song or two.


4. even if you already know and appreciate caroline, go rewatch the
interview anyway. i just did so myself (can you tell?) and it's lovely :)

        mandy,
        talkative

                big dipper hangin over the city
                you know everything now is different for me
                and it ain't no use in explaining
                 the scenery
                                                *ar*

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hey folks,

forwarded from the news-only list...

-sherlyn


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subject: [ig-news] ig on liberation: war is over cd

i haven't seen anyone post about this.

lauren in colorado

keep checking here for updates about the
release of "liberation: war is over" cd..
it's been long in the making, but when you're dealing with several different
artists, copyrights, artists' releases and legalities, it's a miracle when a
project such as the "liberation: war is over" cd can take flight at all.
we've had in our possession here at ik! a rough mix of the cd which is being
planned for release this fall..and after several run-throughs, i can honestly
say, i'm impressed. bob james has put together 19 songs by artists from the
buffalo area including willie nile, patti smith, ani defranco, 10,000 maniacs
and indigo girls in a cd developed to benefit youth leadership and violence
prevention programs in the greater buffalo, new york area. but the appeal is
universal and hopefully, this second cd from musicians united for safe
schools will gain wider exposure than the first. the cd's songs as of late
this summer are as follows:
(keep in mind, changes might be made before the final mastering is complete.)
[unable to display image] (ik! has just learned that the cd lineup has been
changed to add nils lofgren, plus another regional artist whose name we don't
know yet!) cut 1 - (a spoken intro for john and yoko fans)-apathy isn't it
cut 2 - war is over - musicians united
cut 3 - blood - maria sebastian
cut 4 - grateful - patti smith
cut 5 - america - aws strings and voices
cut 6 - seeds of revolution - willie nile
cut 7 - hello birmingham - ani difranco
cut 8 - america the beautiful - aws strings
cut 9 - last colorado sunrise - hallie clarke and rick vito
cut 10- explode - the restless
cut 11- we are brothers - gary zoldos
cut 12- i am always touched - 10,000 maniacs
cut 13- wisconsin skies - ministers of love
cut 14- the philosophy of loss - indigo girls
cut 15- in the moon - nils lofgren
cut 16- flags fly - alison pipitone
cut 17- eleanor rigby - bob james
cut 18- imagine - emmi lennon and lee ron zydeco
cut 19- war is over - musicians united at the ballroom the musicians united
song, "war is over" that opens the song portion of the cd could very well
become an anthem for the cause of peace in our schools and in our streets.
it's my favorite cut on the album and is reminiscent of the singalong feel of
"give peace a chance." bob james was inspired to write this song after
listening to the jol anthology cd a couple of years ago. the song that i was
anticipating with some trepidation, was emmi lennon's version of "imagine."
bob had told me it was a zydeco version of the song, with a different beat
and feel than the original. many lennon fans think of "imagine" as a sacred
song not to be tampered with, but my fears proved to be unfounded. emmi's
version of "imagine" is filled with youthful hope and innocence. i found
myself smiling through my first run-through of the song. liking zydeco music
probably helped as well! the cd is close to completion and when it is ready
for sale, ik! will link up to a sales source to buy it online. there is also
a lot of war is over-related merchandise for sale online already at their <a
href="http://www.warisover.org/">war is over </a>web site. we are still
planning to release a book of the essays sent to ik! during the imagine is a
verb contest. a nice surprise essay has already been donated. keep on top of
any new developments on our <a
href="http://www.instantkarma.com/imagineisaverbpage.html">imagine is a verb
</a>page.
the web sites.. <a href="http://www.warisover.org/">war is over </a><a
href="http://www.musicians-united.com/">musicians united!</a>

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et asked
>hey.. does anyone know the name of tracks 6, 9, and 11, immediately
following
>danny's song, her town, and back together again?  i away at college and
dont
>have the cd case.. thanks!  this is on levees that break in my heart


6 is 'father and son'
9 is "a junkie's lament"
11 is "long ago, far away"

simon

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i received this message from a lesbian listserv from austin, and thought that
i should pass it along to the whole list...sorry if i am repeating myself!!

for all the indigo girls fans out there:

amy ray is finishing up a solo album called "stag". according to the
latest news, it should be coming out in early march and she'll be
starting the first leg of her tour with the butchies..and coming here to
austin!
check out: http://brianclary.com for this info and much more if you're
a fan of the ig's!


"i will walk down the street.  i will hold my head high.  i will say hello
to everyone i meet.  i will have love in my heart.  when i have hate, i will
turn my hate into energy. and when i have anger, i will turn my anger into
energy.  when i am negative, i will be negative only for as long as i need
to be, until i understand it and then i will be positive.  and i will not be
complacent.   and i will not be complacent.  and i will not be a racist.
and i will not be a sexist. and i will not be a homophobic asshole.  and i
will love.  and i will love.  and i will be happy that i am alive."
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<html><font face=arial,helvetica><font  size=2>i received this message from a lesbian listserv from austin, and thought that <br>i should pass it along to the whole list...sorry if i am repeating myself!!
<br>
<br>for all the indigo girls fans out there:
<br>
<br>amy ray is finishing up a solo album called "stag". according to the
<br>latest news, it should be coming out in early march and she'll be
<br>starting the first leg of her tour with the butchies..and coming here to
<br>austin!
<br>check out: http://brianclary.com for this info and much more if you're
<br>a fan of the ig's!
<br>
<br>
<br><p align=center>"i will walk down the street.  i will hold my head high.  i will say hello
<br>to everyone i meet.  i will have love in my heart.  when i have hate, i will
<br>turn my hate into energy. and when i have anger, i will turn my anger into
<br>energy.  when i am negative, i will be negative only for as long as i need
<br>to be, until i understand it and then i will be positive.  and i will not be
<br>complacent.   and i will not be complacent.  and i will not be a racist.
<br>and i will not be a sexist. and i will not be a homophobic asshole.  and i
<br>will love.  and i will love.  and i will be happy that i am alive."
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for all the indigo girls fans out there:

amy ray is finishing up a solo album called "stag". according to the
latest news, it should be coming out in early march and she'll be
starting the first leg of her tour with the butchies..and coming here to
austin!
check out: http://brianclary.com for this info and much more if you're
a fan of the ig's!
-beth

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time's almost up--please phone the white house and ask president clinton to free leonard peltier!

202-456-1111  (number from ben harper net web site)

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i think the "try making one and one make one / twist the shapes until
everything comes undone..." is more or less someone trying their best to make
a relationship work but for naught....(til everything comes undone)
watch the wizard behind the curtain...hiding behind a facade (maybe the
reason that everything came undone)

don't get me started...i psychoanalyze everything!!

earthgrrl
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<html><font face=arial,helvetica><font  size=2>i think the "try making one and one make one / twist the shapes until
<br>everything comes undone..." is more or less someone trying their best to make
<br>a relationship work but for naught....(til everything comes undone)
<br>watch the wizard behind the curtain...hiding behind a facade (maybe the
<br>reason that everything came undone)
<br>
<br>don't get me started...i psychoanalyze everything!!
<br>
<br>earthgrrl
<br>(who is late getting to her email)</font></html>

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it seems to me that their
> fanbase has been swelling consistently all along; in fact, it got a real
> shot in the arm when sots came out. i know a lot of people on this list
> would argue that ig peaked musically in the rop/so era, but how many of us
> were fans when those records were originally released?

i've personally been listening since the first album, and i would argue with
anyone who said that ig peaked during rop/so.  i think they are making the
best music of their careers (especially amy), and it just keeps getting
better everytime i hear it.  i do love the early stuff, don't get me wrong,
but the new stuff is so much more mature, settled, and really saying
something about what pisses them off, what makes them strong, and what
really gets them going.  i think they've melded the activist/artist roles
very well and finally found a voice they can hang with for a while (where
the other albums were almost like three different ig's between "ig" and
"rop").  i believe there has never been a greater amy album than cons.
everyone of her songs on there touch me in so many different ways,
spiritually, emotionally, mentally, etc.  i think they're raw and
unpolished, and i think this works very well for her voice and her
songwriting style.

and saying all of that, i think it's only going to get better if the two
tracks off from retrospective are any indication.

take care, mis amigos,

scott

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sorry for the bandwidth sacrifice... our server has been down on and off due
to power outages, and tons of mail has been messed up.

thanks!

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more confirmed lyrics...


...lazy geese and the weather warm
all my life of humidity...

d:)


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              biodb8er <biodb8er@rocketmail.com>,
              celia white <celiawhite@hotmail.com>,
              deb woodell <woodelldc@aol.com>,
              indigogirls <indigogirls@egroups.com>,
              jillyc <jillyc@hotmail.com>, java solis <jsolis@mail.slc.edu>,
              ig4me <ig4me@hotmail.com>
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dear friend,

i have joined an online campaign called opposeashcroft.com which is =20
collecting signatures urging the senate to take a close look at the ashcr=
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record before voting on the nomination of john ashcroft to be u.s. attorn=
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beyond reproach: a person of integrity and good judgment. john ashcroft i=
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astonishingly bad history concerning reproductive rights--he should not b=
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announced their opposition to the nomination of former senator john ashcr=
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be sent to your senator.

please speak up by lending your signature at:

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then send word of this petition to your friends. =20

thanks!


tim
http://www.mp3.com/timbaldwin
http://www.havanamoon.8m.com/

'i swear that i was innocent, i swear i never lied
this music is a window to the love i keep inside....'
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merican way, the naacp, naral, the sierra club, planned <br>parenthood, t=
he national council of jewish women and other groups have <br>announced t=
heir opposition to the nomination of former senator john ashcroft <br>to =
the position of attorney general.  please join me and get involved. =
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nnocent, i swear i never lied<br>this music is a window to the love i kee=
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date:         sun, 14 jan 2001 14:43:19 -0600
reply-to:     "w. scott whitlock" <wscottw@fly.hiwaay.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "w. scott whitlock" <wscottw@fly.hiwaay.net>
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hey guys,

did you all see in the news today that bush will probably undo everything
that president clinton has been doing in his last days in office, including
protecting national forests from development.  well, there goes progress.  i
can't believe we let him get elected.

take care, mis amigos, and hold on for a bumpy ride,

scott

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