lifeblood: listlogs: 2001-03b


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date:         thu, 8 mar 2001 01:04:12 est
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two questions:

where can i find all the lyrics for stag?


does anyone have any guitar tabs for any of the stag songs?  and mando tabs
for johnny rotten?!?!

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date:         thu, 8 mar 2001 00:17:22 -0600
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i got the lyrics at http://www.geocities.com/rainbowbrat26/staglyrics.html

i believe someone posted that addy earlier this week.

can't help with the tabs. sorry. only tabs i know are soft drinks.

peace, hope and love
paula


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>two questions:
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>where can i find all the lyrics for stag?
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>does anyone have any guitar tabs for any of the stag songs?  and mando tabs
>for johnny rotten?!?!
>

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date:         thu, 8 mar 2001 04:39:30 est
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an excerpt from this article is in today's weekend section of the burlington
free press, burlington vermont. the link to the complete article at the atlanta
journal constitution is at

http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/ajc/newsatlanta/0305amyray.html

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date:         thu, 8 mar 2001 06:30:34 -0500
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hey all,

  the march issue of stomp and stammer (local atlanta free monthly music mag) is
out.  amy's on the cover and there's a nice interview with her plus a separate,
shorter interview of the butchies.  the website ( www.stompandstammer.com )
still has info for february on it.

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date:         thu, 8 mar 2001 08:43:14 -0500
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i saw this on the aimee mann list, and thought it may be of interest:

"alert for any indigo girls fans in new york city:

i went to hmv in times square today and bought amy ray's new solo cd,
"stag".  then i walked over to the virgin megastore and saw that they had
the same cd for the same price... only virgin's copies were autographed.  i
returned the copy i had already purchased and bought one of the autographed
ones.  i've only listened to a couple of tracks so far.  they're good but
not as good as her stuff with emily."

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date:         thu, 8 mar 2001 07:57:47 -0600
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thanks for that post ron!

guys ya just gotta go to that interview!  there's
a wonderful picture there, and answers to the many stag questions we've
brought up on this list.

peace
barb

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date:         thu, 8 mar 2001 08:02:28 -0600
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that last post should be addressed to diane ,
not ron. (hey it's early what can ya expect lol)

the rest of what i said  still stands.

barb

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date:         thu, 8 mar 2001 09:34:37 -0500
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hey there:

i was just reading my digest from yesterday and read traci's post about how
she was obsessed with emily (a big me too on that one) and that she didn't
think she'd like stag.  i felt the same exact way.
i mean, i knew i would get it anyway and i knew that i would go to see amy
live - i love them both (emily has done more for me with her writing, but
still, i love them both).  i got my copy on saturday and i loved it right
away.  my favorites are johnny rottentail, laramie and measure of me (gives
me a huge lump in my throat).  the last 3 i'm still getting use to.  i like
lazyboy because it's different but i have no clue what it's about.  i'm
really not a punk fan, but i like lucy stoners and hey castrater(?) because
of the beat.

i still miss the living heck out of emily, but i'm looking forward to seeing
amy live and i'm so happy for her.

have a great day and watchout for falling ice (for all you eastcoasters out
there).

c

p.s.  since none of the stations i listen to have played champagne high, i
finally downloaded it from napster yesterday - it's great.

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date:         thu, 8 mar 2001 11:09:44 est
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amy did a small instore performance at charis books, in atlanta last night
for about 80 people.  she performed late bloom and lucy stoners, with an
acoustic guitar, sitting down, and it was totally amazing.  after that, she
took questions from the audience and then proceeded to sign copies of stag
for everyone.   she was quite generous in donating her time, as well 50
copies of the cd to the bookstore (which is an independent feminist
bookstore, totally run on donations by its patrons, i believe), so that all
proceeds went directly to the store.

the questions were all intelligent, and she seemed to be in quite a good
mood.  she revealed that the collaboration between indigo girls and the
atlanta ballet is back on, and that we can look forward to that in october.
she said that the ballet is picking some of their songs (although she made a
joke as to how she didn't understand how they were going to do it - maybe
interpretive dancing to chickenman?!?), and that it will be her and emily and
their band in the orchestra pit, playing the live music for the dancers.  it
should be quite interesting!

she also mentioned that they will be working more high school shows into
their schedule in the future.  not so much as planning a big high school tour
that raises alarms, but just casual "drop bys".   so, they haven't given up
on that either.

she said that she will be touring with the butchies for her solo tour, and
then again with emily in july - so that will be the summer tour that is
mentioned on their webpage.  and she is definitely playing the michigan fest
without emily, but she will be with the butchies.

there was more, but i can't remember it all................  was anyone else
there that would like to share?

=)
lisa

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date:         thu, 8 mar 2001 11:14:35 -0800
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i don't think i saw this mentioned on the list yet:

amy is on the cover of the march 2001 issue of the lesbian news. looks
like there are a few snazzy photos inside.

http://www.lesbiannews.com/index2.html

http://www.lesbiannews.com/pages/feature/feature.html

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date:         thu, 8 mar 2001 15:06:52 est
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hi there! i wantd to let y'all know that amy is featured in souther voice
<www.sovo.com> and a small publication called etc <www.etcmag.com> have a
great day! take care-- ashley

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date:         thu, 8 mar 2001 15:41:00 -0500
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question anyone...  i have been skimming through all of the stag reviews posted to the list, and the nerve review mentions liner notes at the end of the article.  i don't know about y'all, but my cd i ordered from daemon does not have liner notes...anyone else have them??

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date:         thu, 8 mar 2001 16:45:03 est
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if anyone can record the stag 7" vinyl onto tape, i'll put it on cd for them
and make a nice insert, etc :)

jude :)

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date:         thu, 8 mar 2001 16:17:56 -0500
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sorry, i truly suck, but can someone repost (for like the 1000000th time)
where i can find the lyrics to stag?
thanks.

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date:         thu, 8 mar 2001 17:35:23 est
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if you are interested in seeing a performance of amy's stag tour but couldn't
get to one of the venues, then e-mail daemon and request that they consider
making a video for the fans who love amy, who wanted to be there but
couldn't, who were there and want a video, also, or any other reason.
they're always filming anyway, and if there is a big enough demand, who
knows?  it's worth a try.

think about it.
rena

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<html><font face=arial,helvetica><font  size=2>if you are interested in seeing a performance of amy's stag tour but couldn't
<br>get to one of the venues, then e-mail daemon and request that they consider
<br>making a video for the fans who love amy, who wanted to be there but
<br>couldn't, who <u>were</u> there and want a video, also, or any other reason.
<br>they're always filming anyway, and if there is a big enough demand, who
<br>knows?  it's worth a try.   
<br>
<br>think about it.
<br>rena</font></html>

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first a question of lyrics:
i downloaded the lyrics that were previously posted, but the lyrics at the
end of the song weren't included.  i'm not sure if joan jett is singing them,
but it begins with "the revolution you have...."  and ends with ".... and you
are saying nothing, and you are being no one,in this artistic moment, yeah"
does anyone know what is being said in those 12 lines?
also, this part reminds me of the beatles.  i can't point to which song of
theirs it sounds like, but i grew up on them and it came flooding back when i
heard this part.

rena

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<html><font face=arial,helvetica><font  size=2>first a question of lyrics:
<br>i downloaded the lyrics that were previously posted, but the lyrics at the
<br>end of the song weren't included.  i'm not sure if joan jett is singing them,
<br>but it begins with "the revolution you have...."  and ends with ".... and you
<br>are saying nothing, and you are being no one,in this artistic moment, yeah"
<br>does anyone know what is being said in those 12 lines?  
<br>also, this part reminds me of the beatles.  i can't point to which song of
<br>theirs it sounds like, but i grew up on them and it came flooding back when i
<br>heard this part.
<br>
<br>rena</font></html>

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date:         fri, 9 mar 2001 10:02:20 +1100
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hey folks,

here's the excerpt from the lesbian news article that bonster
mentioned (http://www.lesbiannews.com/index2.html)...

-sherlyn

---begin article---

amy ray late bloomer

after 20 years in the music business, amy ray continues to grow
as a musician and an artist
by t.a. gilmartin

just over a decade ago, fresh on the heels of her major label
breakthrough as one-half of the indigo girls, amy ray started
daemon, an independent record label. the crux of ray's mission
with daemon was to offer exposure to groups ray herself found
inspiring and innovative.

"i watched while so many musicians that had inspired and
influenced my fortunate career went unrecognized. as an indigo
girl, i enjoyed being part of the indie scene and i wanted to
remain supportive and open to the underground. i decided to
stop complaining about the evils of the music business and do
my part to support the arts. the next thing i knew, i was up
to my ears in work, fulfilling all the basic functions of my
own indie label," ray said.

in the eleven years since its inception, the label has released
work from groups as diverse as the now defunct rock band ellen
james society to the currently traveling balladeer rose
polenzani. its goal is building a community-based
infrastructure for musicians to distribute their work and learn
the business...

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date:         fri, 9 mar 2001 10:09:18 +1100
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hey folks,

here's the article from southern voice that ashley
mentioned... it's online at
http://www.southernvoice.com/southernvoice/news/record.html?record=13443

-sherlyn

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amy ray goes 'stag'
by laura brown

thursday, 1 march 2001

"stag." it means going it alone, without a date, or in the
context of a "stag party" or "stag movie," something intended
for men only.

amy ray's new album, released march 6 with an album release
party in atlanta on march 29, encompasses all the meanings of
its title.

the openly gay native atlantan is on her own, without indigo
girls' partner emily saliers; on her own independent record
label, daemon records; and open to exploring both the
positives and negatives of her own masculine side.

it is, as ray describes it, entrenched in the "southern punk
ethic-subversiveness with a smile."

but "stag" isn't all smiles, and it isn't just indigo girls
minus saliers.

alone, ray is edgier, angrier and not afraid to move beyond
the folky style that made the indigo girls famous-although
she is quick to say she isn't moving away from the duo.

"there is a certain pointedness lyrically that i didn't feel
would be as effective with two very strong voices singing,"
ray says of the songs on "stag." "i think indigo girls are at
their best when we are singing counter melodies... so i think
it would be almost a waste of us to do something with more
like a singular voice."

as with her indigo girls recordings, all of the songs on
"stag" were penned by ray.  "having a home for each song
helps me be true to it," she says.

solo projects often signal a band's imminent demise, but ray
is quick to calm fears that her solo project is anything more
than just branching out.

"i think indigo girls are different from most bands, and this
actually makes us stronger," rays says. "it doesn't feel on
the verge of breaking up, it feels like moving full steam
ahead. this should be a natural evolution for every band."

the project also put ray on the other side of the microphone
from her usual duties at daemon, performing with artists from
the label including the rock*a*teens, 1945 (formerly three
finger cowboy) and danielle howle, as well as the infamous
joan jett and the independent north carolina-based queer
punk band, the butchies.

"it was cool, and it totally made me more familiar with how
they work in the studio," she says.

only the album's first track, "johnny rottentail," features ray
alone, accompanying herself on mandolin-an instrument
familiar from ray's recent indigo girls tunes like "gone again,"
but without the sing-along feel.

from there, "stag" is a journey of rock and mostly punk,
taking listeners from "laramie," the town where gay wyoming
college student matthew shepard was killed in what may be
the country's best known anti-gay hate crime, to the call to
"put away your hate" that closes the cd's final track, "on
your honor."

before recording "laramie," ray visited the town, and says
she was struck by the energy. "standing in the bar where he
was, knowing the field [where shepard was left tied to a
fence to die] is that direction-the vision you have of any
hate crime that is covered so extensively."

but the message of "laramie" is that the town, and the
crime, weren't unique-and the blame reaches much deeper in
society than just the two thugs convicted of murdering
shepard.

"poor man do the bidding for the rich man/those rednecks
are just doing what the classy fuckers' thinking," ray sings.
"and tolerance it ain't acceptance/i know you wanted it to
be/when you're out in laramie."

from "laramie," the cd explodes into outright anger on
"lucystoners," named for the 19th century american
suffragist.

in fact, the different format of "stag" may give some indigo
girls fans pause. but the rawer lyrics and punk sound offer
both insight into the artist and plenty to keep cd players
spinning.

still, you probably won't hear it on the radio or read about it
in rolling stone-a fact ray acknowledges in no uncertain
terms.

in "lucystoners," she takes sure aim at a music industry she
says has refused to give indigo girls and other women
musicians their due, personified by rolling stone's jann
wenner.

"janny wenner, janny wenner, rolling stone's most fearless
leader," ray taunts, with the butchies providing additional
vocals, guitar, bass and percussion. "gave the boys what
they deserve, but with girls he lost his nerve."

the song, ray says, is about the entire music industry, not
just its most famous magazine.

"they believe they are focusing on their main demographics,
and that men don't want to read about women musicians
unless they have a bikini on...

"i don't think they sit in board meetings and say, 'let's diss
all female musicians.' it's much more institutionalized than
that," she says.

but the fact that wenner is openly gay and seems unable to
view women outside of feminine stereotypes strikes ray as
particularly ironic.

"i think sexism and homophobia are really tied together, and i
think for him to be gay and still be sexist is amazing," she
says. "he doesn't see the connection between someone who
looks down on a gay man because he acts like a woman, and
how that is sexist-it's saying that being like a woman means
being less."

but ray's gender politics, which permeate "stag," aren't just
directed outward.

in songs like "hey castrator," "measure of me" and "mtns of
glory," she explores the masculine side that many women are
taught to hate or hide-and that some lesbians in
relationships with more feminine partners feel is all they are
allowed to express.

"i see you licking your lips/at the slope of her hips," ray sings
in "hey castrator," joined by guest vocalist joan jett. "i got
disgusted with my own ownership. ... take it out of me."

"measure of me" puts the question succinctly, directed to
the boy who "thinks i'm damaged goods" because "i dress like
him, i take him down":

"is it the boy you need in me, or the girl that you could be?"
she asks.

but by "mtns of glory," ray explores how giving up the
masculine side that can come with so many negative
connotations is also a loss. "i'm gonna miss being the boy,"
she sings. "i'm going to miss being the man."

"i do wrestle a lot with gender on the record, with my own
recognition of the male part of me," ray admits. "i hate it
sometimes and i feel that i embrace it sometimes. 'castrator'
is about that male side of myself, and how i can relate to
some of that misogyny or objectification of women."

but masculinity, expressed by men or women, isn't all bad,
ray quickly points out. "i don't think people are that black
and white," she says.

"sometimes my partner relates to me from my boyish side,
that part of me that is like an adolescent boy, and sometimes
that's fine," she says. "then there are times when you are
like, 'wait a minute. i can be everything.'

"we all want that," ray concludes. "we just want to
not be limited."

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hey folks,

here's the excerpt of the rockrgrl article
(http://www.rockrgrl.com/current.htm)....

-sherlyn

---begin article---

amy ray goes it alone
by carla a. desantis

while the indigo girls have long been a mainstay of folk rock,
one member of the acclaimed duo, amy ray, has always had the
soul of a rocker. on songs like "go," featured on the indigo
girls' 1999 album come on now social, it was clear that ray
was ready to embrace her rock roots and stretch out a bit on
her own.

this year, ray has taken up the volume a few notches. with her
newly-minted debut solo project, stag, she enlists artists like the
butchies, joan jett, kate schellenbach and some of her daemon
label-mates like the rock*a*teens and danielle howle, to create a
thoroughly modern yet decidedly do-it-yourself project.

ray took some time out from her chock-full schedule to talk with us
about her latest project, the lack of support from mainstream press
and her plans for the future.

how long have you been planning your solo album?

i've been thinking about it for a long time, probably five years, but i
only started on it a couple of years ago. i've been working on it for
about a year.

did you have any reservations about doing a solo album?

no, none at all. i just needed to find the time. i've been writing a lot
more in the last five years. as i got more prolific, practiced, and worked
on my music more, i started writing these other kind of songs. they felt
like solo, rocky, punk songs and i didn't want to try to make them fit
into the indigo girls thing. the songs started piling up, so i knew i
needed to find the time to do a solo record.

had you brought any of those songs to emily?

no. sometimes we will listen to the other person's song and say, "that
sounds like a solo song." but i knew that i wanted it to be me, my
voice, and to do something different.

it seems like daemon has been an outlet for you to be able to
rock out more. but often, when someone starts a label, they put
out their own stuff first.

i've always wanted to, but i didn't start daemon to put out my own
records. i started it because i wanted to support other artists. at some
point i wanted to do my own record. i figured that i would do it on
daemon and hopefully it would help support the label as well.

did you ever consider shopping the album to a major label?

no, but i had my manager do a lot of legwork to make sure it was okay
with epic. i definitely wanted to be very clear about that.

order the current issue of rockrgrl to get the rest of the story!

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my oh my    even amazon has created a special link to stag.  amy has done a
remarkable job with the pr.


subj:   amy ray's "stag"
date:   3/8/01 7:37:44 pm eastern standard time
from:    music-store-news@amazon.com (amazon.com)
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dear indigokat,

we've noticed that many of our customers who've purchased cds by melissa
etheridge also enjoy the music of the indigo girls. for this reason, you
might like to know that indigo girl amy ray's debut solo album, "stag," has
just hit the shelves. you can order your copy for just $11.97 by following
the link below:

<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/b0000589e8/ref=mk_pb_jye">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/b0000589e8/ref=mk_pb_jye</a>

ray founded her independent, not-for-profit daemon records in 1990 as a
result of her frustration with the corporate concerns of the music
industry. eleven years later, daemon is releasing ray's envelope-pushing
solo debut, which was recorded in a variety of settings with a range of
guests. the album begins with a country-style performance featuring just
ray on vocals and mandolin. she goes on to play with north carolina rockers
the butchies, georgia band the rock*a*teens, alabama quartet 1945, and even
joan jett. the result is a diverse and edgy affair, as ray's cutting lyrics
and folk sensibilities are infused with doses of garage rock, punk, and
power pop.

to learn more about "stag," please visit the following page at amazon.com:

<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/b0000589e8/ref=mk_pb_jye">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/b0000589e8/ref=mk_pb_jye</a>

enjoy,

marc greilsamer
folk editor
amazon.com

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<html><font face=arial,helvetica><font  size=3>my oh my    even amazon has created a special link to stag.  amy has done a
<br>remarkable job with the pr.
<br>
<br>
<br>subj:   <b>amy ray's "stag"</b>
<br>date:   3/8/01 7:37:44 pm eastern standard time
<br><i>from:    music-store-news@amazon.com (amazon.com)
<br>to:    indigokat@aol.com
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<br></font><font  color="#000000" size=2 family="sansserif" face="arial" lang="0">
<br>dear indigokat,
<br>
<br>we've noticed that many of our customers who've purchased cds by melissa
<br>etheridge also enjoy the music of the indigo girls. for this reason, you
<br>might like to know that indigo girl amy ray's debut solo album, "stag," has
<br>just hit the shelves. you can order your copy for just $11.97 by following
<br>the link below:
<br>
<br><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/b0000589e8/ref=mk_pb_jye">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/b0000589e8/ref=mk_pb_jye</a>
<br>
<br>ray founded her independent, not-for-profit daemon records in 1990 as a
<br>result of her frustration with the corporate concerns of the music
<br>industry. eleven years later, daemon is releasing ray's envelope-pushing
<br>solo debut, which was recorded in a variety of settings with a range of
<br>guests. the album begins with a country-style performance featuring just
<br>ray on vocals and mandolin. she goes on to play with north carolina rockers
<br>the butchies, georgia band the rock*a*teens, alabama quartet 1945, and even
<br>joan jett. the result is a diverse and edgy affair, as ray's cutting lyrics
<br>and folk sensibilities are infused with doses of garage rock, punk, and
<br>power pop.
<br>
<br>to learn more about "stag," please visit the following page at amazon.com:
<br>
<br><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/b0000589e8/ref=mk_pb_jye">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/b0000589e8/ref=mk_pb_jye</a>
<br>
<br>enjoy,
<br>
<br>marc greilsamer
<br>folk editor
<br>amazon.com</font></html>

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to me it sounds like a partridge family song (at least the chorus does).
coincidence?

--bon

on thu, 8 mar 2001 rgcs1123@aol.com wrote:

> first a question of lyrics:
> i downloaded the lyrics that were previously posted, but the lyrics at the
> end of the song weren't included.  i'm not sure if joan jett is singing them,
> but it begins with "the revolution you have...."  and ends with ".... and you
> are saying nothing, and you are being no one,in this artistic moment, yeah"
> does anyone know what is being said in those 12 lines?
> also, this part reminds me of the beatles.  i can't point to which song of
> theirs it sounds like, but i grew up on them and it came flooding back when i
> heard this part.
>
> rena

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hey kind friends,

i was hoping that someone could help me out with the phone number for
tickets.

thanks,

joe
brooklyn, ny

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> my oh my even amazon has created a special link to stag.  amy has done a
> remarkable job with the pr.

        the publicity blitz has been incredible. and it's paid off, too;
if you follow the url, you can see that stag's current sales rank on
amazon is 47. which is pretty freaking amazing for an indie album, even if
the artist is half of the indigo girls. does anybody out there know if
they take those measures on a daily basis, or a weekly basis, or what? i
don't know much about amazon....

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/b0000589e8/ref=mk_pb_jye

        mandy

            to most mortals, there is a stupidity which is unendurable
         and a stupidity which is altogether acceptable - else, indeed,
         what would become of social bonds?
                                                george eliot

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i found the same thing at the virgin megastore on sunset in la yesterday.  4
or 5 copies all autographed on the back.

"neil :o)" wrote:

> i saw this on the aimee mann list, and thought it may be of interest:
>
> "alert for any indigo girls fans in new york city:
>
> i went to hmv in times square today and bought amy ray's new solo cd,
> "stag".  then i walked over to the virgin megastore and saw that they had
> the same cd for the same price... only virgin's copies were autographed.  i
> returned the copy i had already purchased and bought one of the autographed
> ones.  i've only listened to a couple of tracks so far.  they're good but
> not as good as her stuff with emily."
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editorial reviews
amazon.com
what's most astonishing about amy ray's torrid, ferocious solo debut is just
how convincingly she wears the colors of the riot grrrl. save the dreamy
acoustic "lazyboy," the record rages like a showdown at the barricades, with
ray and her cadre of subversives (notably sugar's david barbe, joan jett, and
southern undergrounders the butchies and the rock*a*teens) tearing into
mainstream rock critics, antigay violence, gender stereotypes, and thorny
sexual politics--all with the punk brio of bikini kill or hole. if the lyrics
can be as strident as manifestos, the waves of ruthless yet melodic guitar
rock are never less than urgent, and often exhilarating. stripped of all
earnestness, ray lets loose an unvarnished rock & roll passion--taking no
prisoners and offering no regrets. --roy kasten

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amy,


i don't think that i got a chance to thank you for the shirt. it's great. i
haven't been asked about it yet, looking forward to it.

proud to be in the crew!

you rule!

joe
brooklyn,ny

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in a message dated 3/9/01 12:04:12 am, bonster wrote:

>to me it sounds like a partridge family song (at least the chorus does).
>coincidence?
>

good ear
in a story i did about stag for sonicnet and mtv.com, kate schellenbach says
when amy sent the song for her to learn amy described it as a "a
punk/partridge family song.''

here's the link:
http://www.sonicnet.com/artists/ai_singlestory.jhtml?id=1441259&ai_id=1087

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ok so i just wrote to our local radio station that plays tons of indigo
girls (kmtt) and raved about stag and told them they should put lucystoners
in their setlist. what would happen if we all started calling/writing radio
stations and tell them to play lucystoners? wouldn't be sweet irony if this
song became a huge breakout hit? well, i can dream, can't i?

looking forward to portland oregon and umm, if anyone has 2 or 3 extra
tickets to showbox in seattle, i'd love to buy them off you. or if you've
been able to find out any more info on availability or even confirmation of
the showbox show.

ryan

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i just checked and it is at 22! incredible and well worth it.

ryan b.

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> my oh my even amazon has created a special link to stag.  amy has done a
> remarkable job with the pr.

        the publicity blitz has been incredible. and it's paid off, too;
if you follow the url, you can see that stag's current sales rank on
amazon is 47.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/b0000589e8/ref=mk_pb_jye

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as promised, as a thank you for your help me come up with questions, here's
some stuff from my interview with amy ray that didnt make it into my sonicnet
stag article; most of it is answers to a number of questions asked by list
members...

thanks again.


-- on measure of me. i said it seemed to be a song about finding yourself
attracted to someone who is not in the usual package you prefer.

"yeah, that's exactly what it is about.  it's about the struggle of thinking
that you are one thing and then feeling that you might be somebody else. it's
about the fluidity of it. ''

--i said that when i first heard the version of the song on napster, which is
different than the album cut, i thought that it was a risky song politically
because some lesbians might be pissed or offended at the suggestion of a
cross over, as it were. i said it didnt offend me but i think because i came
out really late, in my early 30s, that i appreciate what she's saying about
fluidity.

"i think they could be pissed but they are misreading it if they are. i am
commenting on the notion out there that if i am a woman and i cant understand
how to be with a man than i am worthless...i think we are made stronger by
expressing these things. but if it pisses anyone off, they are reading it too
literally. i am not saying if you are gay that you should try to be straight.
obviously i live my personal life as a lesbian and politically i am a
lesbian. but i think we are fluid. and we should realize that and get over
it..."

--on lucystoners.

"i think coverage is very sexist. i sense that during lilith everybody was
excited. even tho it was a media heyday for women rockers, their was an
unwillingness to give it its due and some coverage was snide or sarcastic.

that was a great tour and it helped women. people argue constantly about
whether it ghettoized women musicians. that's a lot to think about and i
think we wont know all the til later.
that was a very corporate tour tho, more corporate than i like to get. but so
much money was
given away to grass roots organizations, a lot of money went to battered
women's groups. and people had a great time. but the backlash now is
frustrating. there are no women on the playlist in rock radio anymore. the
thing that im saying in lucy stoner is that when the system fails you you
have to create your own system and make it so good that it is undeniable. you
do that by forming coalitions, and doing grass roots things. doing whatever
you can to make things less corporate. for every amazon.com event you do, do
a woman's book store also. if you are an upper ladder rock star, lower your
prices.

do whatever you can do".


--on whether it is difficult to switch gears between the indigo sensibility
and the punk sensibility. i said this punk persona on stag fit her well and
seemed really organic and it left me wondering if this is the beginning of
the end for the indigo girls.

"no it's not. we're stronger than ever. for me it's easy. it's no problem for
me to shift gears. i have the folk seed inside of me and it is just as big as
everything else.  i talk to emily about three times a weeek. and we're going
to start working on a new record this summer. and we're thinking it will be
out about a year from now.

--i asked her if some of the stuff floating around on napster will ever make
its way onto a record, specifically chiapas bound, nueva senoritias, moment
of forgiveness, point of hope and emily's winthrop.

"yeah some of those things might end up on an indigo girls record. i hope
people will still like it if we put it on an album. sometimes people get
stuff on napster and it's cool and fun because they got it on napster. and i
wonder how they'd react if it then shows up on a record. the next record for
us is going  to be more of an acoustic folk record so--"

--i interruppted and said "you guys have said that the past three times ive
interviewed you over the past four years. is this for real"

--"yeah. this is really for real this time. it's going to be acoustic.
this is for real."

--on whether she's particularly worried about how stag sells or whether she
just put it out for her, to get that stuff out.

"im only worried about it to the degree that it is a project that is meant to
support daemon and help us with a flow of money to beef up our community
support and artists grants and things like that. i reaaly want it to sell
well for daemon's sake. in a way this was a benefit for the label. so to the
extent i am promoting this, it's to help it sell for daemon, but i am
limiting myself as to how much i am going to do.

i think it is going to do ok but you never know how something is going to
sell."


--re whether she thinks hardcore fans will accept this new more electric
stuff. i said that come on now social was their best cd in my estimation --
and i am a long-time fan who loves the early stuff -- but social was a very
accomplished record that got a lot of critical acclaim. but it didnt sell
very well. shaming debuted at 7 on the billboard 200. social debuted at 34
and has been a slow seller. i asked if she thought that was because the
hardcore acoustic fans didnt buy it or didnt like it.

"i think that was our best album too. sometimes  people are sentimental about
stuff. ....sometimes when i go see a band i think 'oh i really want them to
play their older stuff' and then when they do, i realize their older stuff is
not necessarily their best stuff. but yeah it did sell a little slower, and i
dont think it was our hardcore fans not supporting us becasue they always do.
i think some of the other records we used to sell were generated when people
used to hear our stuff on the radio. we just dont get played on the radio
very much anymore. that's what hurt us.


--on whether there will be another suffragettes tour

"we're going to do another one at some point. its just a matter of finding
the time. its hard to do our tour, the honor the earth tour, and the
suffragettes tour. but we will."

--on how it is she juggles indigos, daemon, the activism, the solo stuff now
and still appears to even have a personal life...

"(laughing) yeah it appears i have a personal life. it's an illusion.
   im trying to slow down a little bit and depend on my daemon staff more. i
think there's a way to do all that stuff. i dont want to slow down on the
activism. it's hard to do it all but it is so much fun to do it all. "

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date:         fri, 9 mar 2001 09:19:17 est
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.c the associated press


eds: includes cds by amy ray, olu dara, clarence 'tom' ashley, 'before night
falls' soundtrack, mirwais. in 'before night falls' review, beny is cq.

selected new releases:

''stag'' (daemon records) - amy ray

fans of the indigo girls who expect southern-accented folk from amy ray's
first solo release, ''stag,'' will be disappointed. this is not the
guitar-strumming, sweet harmonizing girl we know.

calling it a tribute to her punk-rock roots, ray says the collection of songs
didn't fit on an indigo girls album. she's right. but fans of her scratchy
voice and catchy lyrics may enjoy ''stag'' anyway.

the butchies, now on tour with ray, play on half of the album's songs, giving
it a clangy, garage-band sound.

sometimes it works perfectly. ''laramie'' is a haunting tribute to gay
college student matthew shepard, who was beaten to death in 1998. her lyrics
are chilling: ''those rednecks just doing what the classy folks are thinking.
and tolerance ain't acceptance. i know you want it to be when you're out in
laramie. ... hunting season's over.''

but other times it's just too noisy and ray's voice gets lost in the clutter.

kim curtis, ap writer

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date:         fri, 9 mar 2001 10:27:45 est
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i am working with a fellow listee to put not only
the 7" vinyl single on cd but add a few songs to
it to make an ep out of it.

tentative song list:

"careless"
"moutains of glory"
"beauty to disaster"
"pretty vision (vision boy)"
"nueva senorita"

it will be ready to go real soon. email me
privately if you are interested, but if you have
already emailed jane at rmac@mediaone.net then
don't email me.

-scott

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date:         fri, 9 mar 2001 11:21:51 -0500
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there's a new compilation cd out called octaves beyond silence.

http://www.octavesbeyondsilence.com
"octaves beyond silence was founded and incorporated in the state of
california in 1998 by three artists who are also social justice activists.
octaves seeks to use music and the arts as tools to end violence and
discrimination against women and girls throughout the world."

track listing:

hope by women from rwanda
ugly by rachel z
her by nicki walker
this passage (for the woman who has awoken) by rawa/feng shui
willing to fight by ani difranco
wait for you by earthwurm
girl with the weight of the world in her hands by the indigo girls
candle for claire by alisa fineman
peace by women from rwanda
my vagina was my village by eve ensler *
waltz for nk by sheryl bailey
new little girl by liza figueroa
one r.s. (everyone has the right to live without violence) by allison miller
and feng shui
here i am by viki ford, with kathy lemay
hi-ya, mama! by virginia mayhew
it girl by betty
beautiful by meshell ndegeocello
love by women from rwanda

sarah
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http://www.mp3.com/sarahpinsker
http://www.cdbaby.com/pinsker

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date:         fri, 9 mar 2001 08:34:23 -0800
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god i love this woman

on fri, 9 mar 2001 07:24:21 est, lisalisaa@aol.com wrote:

>  as promised, as a thank you for your help me come up with questions,
here's
>  some stuff from my interview with amy ray that didnt make it into my
sonicnet
>  stag article; most of it is answers to a number of questions asked by
list
>  members...
>
>  thanks again.
>
>
>  -- on measure of me. i said it seemed to be a song about finding yourself
>  attracted to someone who is not in the usual package you prefer.
>
>  "yeah, that's exactly what it is about.  it's about the struggle of
thinking
>  that you are one thing and then feeling that you might be somebody else.
it's
>  about the fluidity of it. ''
>
>  --i said that when i first heard the version of the song on napster,
which is
>  different than the album cut, i thought that it was a risky song
politically
>  because some lesbians might be pissed or offended at the suggestion of a
>  cross over, as it were. i said it didnt offend me but i think because i
came
>  out really late, in my early 30s, that i appreciate what she's saying
about
>  fluidity.
>
>  "i think they could be pissed but they are misreading it if they are. i
am
>  commenting on the notion out there that if i am a woman and i cant
understand
>  how to be with a man than i am worthless...i think we are made stronger
by
>  expressing these things. but if it pisses anyone off, they are reading it
too
>  literally. i am not saying if you are gay that you should try to be
straight.
>  obviously i live my personal life as a lesbian and politically i am a
>  lesbian. but i think we are fluid. and we should realize that and get
over
>  it..."
>
>  --on lucystoners.
>
>   "i think coverage is very sexist. i sense that during lilith everybody
was
>  excited. even tho it was a media heyday for women rockers, their was an
>  unwillingness to give it its due and some coverage was snide or
sarcastic.
>
>  that was a great tour and it helped women. people argue constantly about
>  whether it ghettoized women musicians. that's a lot to think about and i
>  think we wont know all the til later.
>  that was a very corporate tour tho, more corporate than i like to get.
but so
>  much money was
>  given away to grass roots organizations, a lot of money went to battered
>  women's groups. and people had a great time. but the backlash now is
>  frustrating. there are no women on the playlist in rock radio anymore.
the
>  thing that im saying in lucy stoner is that when the system fails you you
>  have to create your own system and make it so good that it is undeniable.
you
>  do that by forming coalitions, and doing grass roots things. doing
whatever
>  you can to make things less corporate. for every amazon.com event you do,
do
>  a woman's book store also. if you are an upper ladder rock star, lower
your
>  prices.
>
>  do whatever you can do".
>
>
>  --on whether it is difficult to switch gears between the indigo
sensibility
>  and the punk sensibility. i said this punk persona on stag fit her well
and
>  seemed really organic and it left me wondering if this is the beginning
of
>  the end for the indigo girls.
>
>  "no it's not. we're stronger than ever. for me it's easy. it's no problem
for
>  me to shift gears. i have the folk seed inside of me and it is just as
big as
>  everything else.  i talk to emily about three times a weeek. and we're
going
>  to start working on a new record this summer. and we're thinking it will
be
>  out about a year from now.
>
>   --i asked her if some of the stuff floating around on napster will ever
make
>  its way onto a record, specifically chiapas bound, nueva senoritias,
moment
>  of forgiveness, point of hope and emily's winthrop.
>
>  "yeah some of those things might end up on an indigo girls record. i hope
>  people will still like it if we put it on an album. sometimes people get
>  stuff on napster and it's cool and fun because they got it on napster.
and i
>  wonder how they'd react if it then shows up on a record. the next record
for
>  us is going  to be more of an acoustic folk record so--"
>
>  --i interruppted and said "you guys have said that the past three times
ive
>  interviewed you over the past four years. is this for real"
>
>  --"yeah. this is really for real this time. it's going to be acoustic.
>  this is for real."
>
>  --on whether she's particularly worried about how stag sells or whether
she
>  just put it out for her, to get that stuff out.
>
>  "im only worried about it to the degree that it is a project that is
meant to
>  support daemon and help us with a flow of money to beef up our community
>  support and artists grants and things like that. i reaaly want it to sell
>  well for daemon's sake. in a way this was a benefit for the label. so to
the
>  extent i am promoting this, it's to help it sell for daemon, but i am
>  limiting myself as to how much i am going to do.
>
>  i think it is going to do ok but you never know how something is going to
>  sell."
>
>
>  --re whether she thinks hardcore fans will accept this new more electric
>  stuff. i said that come on now social was their best cd in my estimation
--
>  and i am a long-time fan who loves the early stuff -- but social was a
very
>  accomplished record that got a lot of critical acclaim. but it didnt sell
>  very well. shaming debuted at 7 on the billboard 200. social debuted at
34
>  and has been a slow seller. i asked if she thought that was because the
>  hardcore acoustic fans didnt buy it or didnt like it.
>
>  "i think that was our best album too. sometimes  people are sentimental
about
>  stuff. ....sometimes when i go see a band i think 'oh i really want them
to
>  play their older stuff' and then when they do, i realize their older
stuff is
>  not necessarily their best stuff. but yeah it did sell a little slower,
and i
>  dont think it was our hardcore fans not supporting us becasue they always
do.
>  i think some of the other records we used to sell were generated when
people
>  used to hear our stuff on the radio. we just dont get played on the radio
>  very much anymore. that's what hurt us.
>
>
>  --on whether there will be another suffragettes tour
>
>  "we're going to do another one at some point. its just a matter of
finding
>  the time. its hard to do our tour, the honor the earth tour, and the
>  suffragettes tour. but we will."
>
>  --on how it is she juggles indigos, daemon, the activism, the solo stuff
now
>  and still appears to even have a personal life...
>
>  "(laughing) yeah it appears i have a personal life. it's an illusion.
>     im trying to slow down a little bit and depend on my daemon staff
more. i
>  think there's a way to do all that stuff. i dont want to slow down on the
>  activism. it's hard to do it all but it is so much fun to do it all. "
>
>  --
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date:         fri, 9 mar 2001 11:58:19 -0500
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amy's at number ten on the amazon rank!!!  alright!!!

jason

>>i just checked and it is at 22! incredible and well worth it.>>


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date:         fri, 9 mar 2001 12:56:30 est
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    hey all,
  i bought "octaves",for my girlfriend for christmas,and it is really
awesome!! it is put out by a record co,called lady slipper,and they have some
really great stuff,alot of compliations and live stuff..there worth checking
out!!!!

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date:         fri, 9 mar 2001 12:57:17 -0500
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hey, her rank is up to 9, now on amazon... giddy up!

elle

> -----original message-----
> from: hare@optonline.net [smtp:hare@optonline.net]
> sent: friday, march 09, 2001 8:58 am
> to:   indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject:      re amy's amazon rank
>
> amy's at number ten on the amazon rank!!!  alright!!!
>
> jason
>
> >>i just checked and it is at 22! incredible and well worth it.>>
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date:         fri, 9 mar 2001 13:13:12 -0500
reply-to:     sarah pinsker <reinventing1@mindspring.com>
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i didn't notice it was being distributed by ladyslipper - they're an awesome
company - they distribute my cd too. they also postered for my shows in
chapel hill last weekend and came out to my show, for which i owe them
tremendous thanks, so i'm quick to blow their horn...their catalogue is at
http://www.ladyslipper.org - they carry ig and hundreds of other female
artists at good prices.  i think they have a history and mission statement
on their website if i remember correctly...i highly recommend checking them
for a cd before going to amazon...
sarah
reinventing1@mindspring.com
http://www.sarahpinsker.com
http://www.mp3.com/sarahpinsker
http://www.cdbaby.com/pinsker

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sent: friday, march 09, 2001 12:56 pm
subject: re: new compilation


>     hey all,
>   i bought "octaves",for my girlfriend for christmas,and it is really
> awesome!! it is put out by a record co,called lady slipper,and they have
some
> really great stuff,alot of compliations and live stuff..there worth
checking
> out!!!!
>
>

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okay, i'm finally giving stag a good listen (just got my order from daemon
yesterday). does anyone else think that the rock*a*teens vocals detract from
black heart today? i love the mp3 i have of the song and am kinda
disppointed in the stag-rock*a*teens version.

other than that, i'm loving stag. but, i knew i would. ;)

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i pre-ordered stag and have not received yet.

additionally, i qualified for signed copy, too!

anyone else pre-order & havent received?

msg

melissa s. gordon
account executive
creative endeavors
2408 chapman drive
las vegas, nv 89104

phone:  702-836-1110
cellular: 702-496-3720

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hi everybody, my dad got this froom amazon.com . i thought it was neat,
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about ig because i talk about them so much. lol i llove it!  i don't buy
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date:         fri, 9 mar 2001 13:03:26 -0600
reply-to:     barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
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i visited www.talkcity.com, and i guess they don't have a transcript for
tuesday's amy ray chat, so i'm woderring if any of you has their email
addy, (i can't find it at their site.)  or if you've got your own
transcript and woud be willing to email me a copy, i would appreciate
it.

thanks
barb

for wbai fm and all the pacifica radio stations, the studios of the
banned, and the fired

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date:         fri, 9 mar 2001 11:32:45 -0800
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  from: melissa gordon=20

  i pre-ordered stag and have not received yet.
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  additionally, i qualified for signed copy, too!
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  anyone else pre-order & havent received?  =20


i haven't gotten mine yet, either . . .

sharon g. s. bugante -- shaniezak@la-ex-heds.com
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<div>i haven't gotten mine yet, either . . .</div>
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date:         fri, 9 mar 2001 11:47:41 -0800
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from:         jean moses <sneakyjean@yahoo.com>
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i would write daemon.  i did not qualify for the signed copy and i
received my copy last monday.

jean

--- "s. bugante" <shaniezak@la-ex-heds.com> wrote:
>   from: melissa gordon
>
>   i pre-ordered stag and have not received yet.
>
>   additionally, i qualified for signed copy, too!
>
>   anyone else pre-order & havent received?
>
>
> i haven't gotten mine yet, either . . .
>
> sharon g. s. bugante -- shaniezak@la-ex-heds.com
> http://www.la-ex-heds.com -- a tribute to hedwig l.a.
> ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~
> icq:25908009, aol/aim: yitzakfan
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date:         fri, 9 mar 2001 14:50:46 -0500
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neil-

just wanted to let you know (and everone else for that matter) that i'd be
willing to be a branch if you tree this or whatever. i'd be more than
willing to provide cdr copies to anyone who wants them if they provide the
blanks.

ninja.
"rock is cool, but the struggle is better" -ar


>from: "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
>
>speaking of boot offers, i have one almost ready to go:
>complete 'live at the fillmore '99' (2 cds)
>paper viewed (great woods and toronto lilith fair '96 (7?)) (2cds)
>original indigo (2 cds)
>indigo guests (3 cds)
>and, if i get my act together, early recordings vol. 5.
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date:         fri, 9 mar 2001 11:51:42 -0800
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thanks to all who have commiserated with me. =20

with no stag, i've been listening to all mighty senators (power live!)

melissa
melissa s. gordon
account executive
creative endeavors
2408 chapman drive
las vegas, nv 89104

phone:  702-836-1110
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well, yesterday i spent 2 hours in an mri tube which was about 85-90 degrees. they kept asking if i was okay. i told em i was hot. they apologized. after having had 4 of these and the music was broken all the time i took my own cd's in and was prepared to show them how to work their own sound system.
i took in shaming the sun and had em put it on auto repeat.

i was lying there and thinking..worrying. hey i mean ..active, fit ( sorta) 34 yr old with a spine of a 90 yr old. really sucks. up for a great new job, getting a house for me and my partner and our daughter and i am back in the tube for mri..probable mri.


one line jumped out from get out the map...
gonna love you good and strong while our love is good and young......

the whole song i have always loved...it says a lot about our relationship ( in a very good way) but..the thought of not being able to enjoy physical intimacy with her really struck hard yesterday lying in that coffin of a tube.

i definitely believe that you have to live each day as tho it is your last ( or damn near) ...show the ones important to you ..how much so..love them and say it outloud.

sometimes it is a very good thing to re-visit old songs and see how they have changed to meet you current "weakness" or fears...

sparkie going back to work now...
( but still listening to gotm)

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heya ninja....

we do not copy/bootleg commercially available cd's here in "indigo land".

not a cool  practice.

adios!!!

melissa

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subject: re: stag 7" and stuff...


> neil-
>
> just wanted to let you know (and everone else for that matter) that i'd be
> willing to be a branch if you tree this or whatever. i'd be more than
> willing to provide cdr copies to anyone who wants them if they provide the
> blanks.
>
> ninja.
> "rock is cool, but the struggle is better" -ar
>
>
> >from: "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
> >
> >speaking of boot offers, i have one almost ready to go:
> >complete 'live at the fillmore '99' (2 cds)
> >paper viewed (great woods and toronto lilith fair '96 (7?)) (2cds)
> >original indigo (2 cds)
> >indigo guests (3 cds)
> >and, if i get my act together, early recordings vol. 5.
> >
>
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date:         fri, 9 mar 2001 12:30:19 -0800
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i didn't think the stag 7" promo was "commercially available".
aren't they giving them away?  haven't people been talking about
making mp3's of the thing for the last week now?

~ chris

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hey...

<<i didn't think the stag 7" promo was "commercially available". aren't they
giving them away?>>

yup, it was free.
it _was_ commercially available, though (probably) isn't any more (limited
edition and all).

i figure, as long as people bought stag they deserve to at least hear the
7", i figure people on this list aren't likely to stiff amy money anytime.
kids - buy the music if it's there for the buying!

not that anyone died and made me king, or anything...

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our minisystem is just about dead and we're thinking we'd probably like to
upgrade to a component system.  anyone who has the time, patience and
knowledge to offer advice to a couple of novices would be greatly
appreciated!

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reply-to:     robbin love <robbin_150@hotmail.com>
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hey y'all,

any chance of someone scanning the cover art from the 7" and posting it on
their website? the 7" isn't available anywhere near me, and i would like to
at least see the art work.

thanks,
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date:         fri, 9 mar 2001 13:41:35 -0800
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from:         mike reynolds <michael_reynolds@yahoo.com>
subject:      re: stag 7" and stuff...duncan campaign!!!!
x-to:         "chris m. wilson" <chaos808@gte.net>
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i think he was talking about the propsed ep that
someone stated they'd make when they get around to
it...

i want to make a flyer so amy will do a solo cover of
"duncan" by p. simon - which is gender bending as heck
and amazing (and yes, i have the 12-31-94 - soundboard
sourced version mp3'd - neily - you're going to drool,
and since i drool anyway (disability humor) i will
just spasm a bit more if she does it at any of the
shows i'm hitting...
--- "chris m. wilson" <chaos808@gte.net> wrote:
> i didn't think the stag 7" promo was "commercially
> available".
> aren't they giving them away?  haven't people been
> talking about
> making mp3's of the thing for the last week now?
>
> ~ chris
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maybe i screwed up.  i thought that the offer was for the stag cd.

what is the difference between the 7" vinyl & the cd?  is there a difference
in material?

if there is a difference, then i think it's cool to do the boots.  if they
are the same, my orig comment stands.

au revoir!

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> i didn't think the stag 7" promo was "commercially available".
> aren't they giving them away?  haven't people been talking about
> making mp3's of the thing for the last week now?
>
> ~ chris
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everyone!

> ok, it's official,...if the offer was to boot the 7" vinyl....
>
> sorry!
>
> msg
>
> ----- original message -----
> from: "sabrina d. parker" <parkers@civerolo.com>
> to: "'melissa gordon'" <melissa@ce1.com>
> sent: friday, march 09, 2001 1:50 pm
> subject: re: stag 7" and stuff...
>
>
> > the cd is "stag".  the 7" only contains 2 songs, neighter of which are
on
> > the cd.  the 7" is a promo-type-thingy.
> >
> >
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melissa:

>maybe i screwed up.  i thought that the offer was for the stag cd.

you need to go back and read what you're responding to.  ninja wasn't
even responding to anything about the stag cd or the 7" vinyl.  ninja
was responding to neil's mention of his upcoming tree.

>what is the difference between the 7" vinyl & the cd?  is there a difference
>in material?
>
>if there is a difference, then i think it's cool to do the boots.  if they
>are the same, my orig comment stands.

one more time....the 7" vinyl is two tracks.  mountains of glory
(live) and careless.  i wouldn't even necessarily say it was
commercially available- as you couldn't buy it on its own- you got it
when you bought stag from certain stores (listed on the daemon
website).

i agree with neil- nobody on this list would ever stiff amy on money
(or hopefully not).  and if they did, i doubt they would post to the
list about it (talk about a dumb move)!

btw, i stopped at virgin megastore today in nyc (times square) since
neil had posted that message about it...i picked up what seemed to be
the last autographed copy of stag, the other two copies there were
the normal versions- but they may have had more autographed ones on
display in other parts of the store, i'm not sure.  fwiw, the
autograph is pretty ridiculous-looking.  :-)

jason

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  we  are pleased to announce  that the popular ohio band ekoostik hookah
will
be headlining the festival .hookah will be playing both nites for 3 hours a
nite and closing the show . the show will be at  <a
href="http://www.sunshinedreams.com">sunshine daydreams campground</a>
in terra alta west va. on   7/20+21  other acts  include  fat apple.. toni
brown ..radio mosaic.. davis gans...java ...fungus...la choza  and more!
jazz .. dead... funk and bluegrass..... more big acts tba...we should know
some more of them next week.. check the web page for more info...
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if anyone would like to see the cover art, i have scanned it and put it on 2
separate webpages.  copy and paste these links exactly as they are:

http://members.aol.com/hskrfn68/ar1.jpg
http://members.aol.com/hskrfn68/ar2.jpg

ehren

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<html><font face=arial,helvetica><font  size=2 family="script" face="comic sans ms" lang="0"><b>if anyone would like to see the cover art, i have scanned it and put it on 2
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amy ray goes stag

indigo girl goes solo with a little help from her friends

following her keynote address at the rockrgrl music conference last november
in seattle, indigo girl amy ray gave the eager crowd a preview of her debut
solo album, stag, performing "lucystoners," its name taken from a
turn-of-the-century feminist lucy stone. what caught the media's attention
was the chorus: "janny wenner, janny wenner/rolling stone's most fearless
leader/gave the boys what they deserve/but with the girls he lost his nerve."
but a closer look at the song's lyrics reveals that wenner's merely a
symbolic figure in ray's scathing critique about sexism in the music biz.
ray's just as impassioned on stag's other tracks (released on her own daemon
records label), which address matthew shepard's murder, a tribute to activist
friends in "on your honor," romantic turbulance, and confronting one's own
dark side. ray also gets a little help from the butchies, the rock*a*teens,
1945, joan jett, kate schellenbach (ex-luscious jackson) and josephine wiggs
(ex-breeders).

why did it take so long to release a solo album?

well, i was busy! that was the main problem, the indigo girls and all the
politics and activism has been really time consuming. but i just got of tired
of having all these songs and being like, "i'll do something with them one
day." but once i'd made a commitment, i was like, "well, i gotta do it, even
if it takes all the time off i have."

what kind of statement were you looking to make with the album?

i think i just needed to get it out of my system. i was like, i want to
challenge myself, i want to get out of the roles i normally play in the
indigo girls. i had a lot of things to say lyrically, but it wasn't like some
statement i was trying to make. and the bands i recorded with are bands that
have very strong personalities and i didn't want to mold them in any way.

how did you choose the musicians?
they're people that are big influences on me or my songwriting. "blackheart
today" is almost derivative of the rock*a*teens, and i wanted them to play on
it because it's what i heard in my head when i was writing it. and "late
bloom" felt very natural for 1945 to do. the butchies surprised me, because i
thought i had them pegged. i thought they'd do really good on "mtns of glory"
and "measure of me" -- those are the two extremes they do really well, the
punk sort of ballad and the fast song. i didn't peg them as a "laramie" kind
of band, so that was a great surprise. i knew danielle howle could sing
anything, so i wanted her voice on the record. and joan jett and kate and jo,
i knew what their strong points were.

what does the title refer to?

it's supposed to imply being single, being alone. and there's a lot of gender
stuff intermingled in there; you know, stag party.

it's also an animal.

i think it's a neutered male deer. ha ha. i didn't know that when i thought
of that title.

did you think the message of "lucystoners" might get lost because of using
jann wenner's name?

i think people will focus on that: "you're really brave to one-up jann
wenner! he's never gonna review your record!" but as soon as people start
listening to the lyrics, it's obvious what i'm talking about -- the
consolidation of radio and the media, and the advertisers place in it, and
sexism. and how the old bastion of rock stations and magazines that we
thought were developing and nuturing artists -- maybe they weren't, maybe we
just thought they were. jann wenner is a symbol for feminists of sexism in
the rock industry. it's a man's industry. it's all about girls, guitars, and
sex, but from a heterosexual male perspective, and there's no room for
anything else. and i think we all look at rolling stone as the epitome of it
-- only because they're the biggest. it doesn't mean it's not going on at
every level, in the mainstream anyway. but i couldn't fit in "bob guccione"!
i probably could've actually, that'll be my next one.

what changes have you seen in the music industry?

you can make a record and you don't have a producer telling you they won't
allow you to play your own instruments 'cause you're a woman. i think the
labels themselves are actually more open to the idea of women in rock. but
radio goes through fluctuations. it's never really been a woman's game, [but]
there'll be a time when it's like, "we're playing ten women in the top
twenty-five instead of none." and right now it's kind of like none. so i've
seen radio change a lot. but i've seen it get worse instead of better.

"johnny rottentail" brought to mind kids who get teased and then go on
shooting rampages.

i was thinking about that a little bit. i wrote it when i was angry at
somebody, and then i was imagining my own contributions to their nature. i
was like "i'm really mad," but by the end of the song i'm like, "but i
probably contributed to the fact that you have such a nasty disposition. and
so i should be mindful of that." and i was thinking about the columbine
shootings, and those bad kids that probably just got tortured their whole
lives and then they can't deal with it anymore.

what about "hey castrator?"

there's a side of me, probably everybody has this, that is kind of negative.
i was thinking of the violent femmes, that high school male adolescent
tendency to objectify every woman that walks by. and i was thinking,
sometimes that part of myself, i just want to cut it out, you know? it's from
my perspective, but i was trying to be general too -- it could be from a
guy's perspective.

"mtns of glory?"

it's just a punk song. it's a breakup song. pretty simple! it was one of the
first ones i wrote for the record. and the butchies and me played the song a
lot live before we recorded it, just for fun.

what is it you'd like people to take away from the album?

i just want people to rock and have a good time. i have no expectations,
honestly. i want people to feel a certain amount of righteous anger. the
album's based in community, it's based on rebellion, and strength. and so i
want people to feel those things. and i want people to check out the other
bands that i played with. that's part of the purpose; for these other bands
to get some recognition.

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amy ray shines on

as one half of the indigo girls and owner of her own non-profit record label,
it would seem like amy ray's time would be consumed between the two. but this
is not the case for the singer-guitarist, who made time to record her debut
solo record, stag, over this last year. like the title hints at, ray stands
alone on this album without her other musical half emily saliers. unlike
other artists, her solo record does not insinuate the end of the indigo
girls, but rather gives a place for the less expressed side of the singer to
reign.

as years of writing songs slowly ticked by it became clearer and clearer to
the songwriter that she had music piling up with a different style from the
indigo girls. the stacks continued to grow and she knew it was time for her
own record. ray explained the development of her solo project in a recent
interview, “i felt like i was really ready to do it. i had the confidence. i
had the songs … the bands (ray worked with several different ones on her solo
project) were accessible and in a good place. it felt like a vibrant time,
like let's do it now.”

over the last year, in between indigo tours the musician jumped in her car
and drove to north carolina where she practiced and recorded with southern
punkers the butchies for a few days in their cold brick basement. “it was a
completely different world from what i was doing with the indigo girls, it
felt like an escape to another dimension,” the punk rocker at heart explains.
“it was good for me because i needed that breath of different air.”

even though the alt-country punk record was a side project for ray, it stands
on its own with 12-tracks packed full of expressive vocals, energized music
and thought provoking lyrics. for those who aren't fans of the country twang,
don't discard the album because of its first track “johnny rottentail,” the
only one of its sort. press skip on song one to discover the fresh organic
music that play-on after the country tune. on “measure of me” danielle
howe's powerful emotive vocals add a beautiful melody to the song - a delight
to the ear. ray was excited to work with howe and other artists who have
inspired her. “most of the people i really am influenced by are indie bands
and a lot of them are on this record. i'm very influenced by the writing of
danielle howe who sang back up on this record.”

along with howe, ray teamed up with several other of her favorite musicians -
joan jett, kate schellenbach (luscious jackson) and josephine wiggs (the
breeders) " as well as a couple more hand picked punk acts - the rock*a*teens
and 1945.

in her recent solo work, ray shifted focus from an acoustic guitar to an
electric one, which gives the album a harsher sound driven by the southern
punk rock scene. although she still plays acoustic on one song in addition to
the mandolin on “johnny rottentail” and “lazyboy.” honest lyrics confessing
ray's own imperfections, frustrations with the music industry, and society's
imposed gender principles show her strength as a songwriter in a new light.

so, how did she discern if a song fit the indigo girls style or not? she just
knew. “when i'm writing a song, it feels thematically and musically more like
a solo song for some reason. maybe the melody line is really singular and it
doesn't feel like it should have a strong sort of vocal presence. maybe the
theme is more intimate in some ways,” ray recounts her thought process.
“having this other project allowed me to have somewhere to put all those
songs as i was writing.”

ray first became intrigued by the guitar at ten years old. it was then her
motivation to learn the instrument began when she sat down with a neil young
“learn to play” guitar book and began to pluck away. after a year, she moved
on to lessons at the ymca, this took her to the next step towards her future
career. as she narrates the beginning of her journey with the guitar, “it was
an instrument that i attached to because it could be mobile and i wanted to
sing.”

little did she know at the time that the guitar would lead her down a path to
a successful musical career with the indigo girls and now with a pleasurable
solo-side project, which she appropriately released on her 11-year-old record
label, daemon records. “emily and i like to take time off between tours. in
our time off we always go back and do our little things that we do. i run my
label, she has a restaurant. it's a good change of pace for me. it also
brings to our attention what we are about.”

before the indigo girls head back into the studio in july, ray and the
butchies will tour the states in support of stag. they'll begin the trek in
georgia then make their way up to massachusetts and over to california.
thankfully for the do-it-yourself gal, she has a number of people supporting
her efforts.

“it gets overwhelming. there will be a month where i just feel crazed. i have
a staff of three people working for the label. the indigo girls have a staff,
so we have lots of people helping us out,” she reveals clearly relieved and
thankful. “i think it's a lot, but i don't know what else i would do.”


- sarah emerson
  march 6, 2001

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included in the amy review are two video segments!

enjoy,
brenda

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http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=13445&cf=1442295

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heres the url

http://www.rollingstone.com/recordings/review.asp?aid=2041985&cf=1442295

stag 3 1/2 stars
most solo outings just reinforce what we already know about an artist, but
stag, the coming-out party for amy ray, takes any acoustic-pop expectations
folks might have of the longtime indigo girl and dropkicks them a half-mile
down the road. angry, bold, pointed and eclectic as hell, stag suggests that
nirvana and sleater-kinney are just as important to ray as simon and
garfunkel. she covers familiar ideological turf here, but her assaults on
sexism, prejudice and general hate-mongering take on a distinctly personal
spin, whether packed in brooding, atmospheric pop ("measure of me") or
guitar-blazing missives that recall neil young ("on your honor"). the
embittered punk diatribe "lucystoners," which decries rock's "boys club"
mentality by pinning the tail on the editor/publisher of a certain
long-running music magazine is the sure attention-getter here, but raucous
appalachian folk ("johnny rottentail") and a surprising, tender elliott
smith-style heartbreaker ("lazyboy") help stag strike a balance that makes it
more than just an eye-popper. (david peisner)

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hi everyone,

i have an extra copy of the stag 7" available.  would be willing to trade it
for an ig boot or something.  anyone interested please email me privately..

diane

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it's already on napster - i'll post it somewhere - tomorrow - not an "i got
it and am being stingy" i just cant put it on my server because it would
kill my bandwidth and i'm too tired to figure out where to post it - but if
you look for io20742 - i may be on napster for a while - and i saw 5 hits
for careless and mtns of glory (live) has been on for months...

if someone could scan the cover of the 7 inch - yes - i have done
everything to try and get one - the only newbury comics in maine did not
get any in...

(yes, i'll trade photos for a 7 inch - i have some really nice pictures
from nff and uconn)

mike r.

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but it is the same song, so all you trying to put in to mp3 - continue -
unless the version of careless is live on the 7" - but as i dont have it -
well, i cant compare it.

i will post it somewhere, however, if the person who instant messaged me
(last night at 10 pm est on napster) wants to ahhh... help me in that
regard (i can probably find space, just want it linked) i can make a good
boot mp3 with some rare amy stuff.

mike r.


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just an fyi:
i saw a 7" on sale at ebay today.  here is the link

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=1415278555

good luck y'all!

mi rinda

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jeez....its free and folks already out there wanting to make a profit.
*sarcasm* it's so refreshing to know that capitalism is so alive and well in
america.

for personal reasons, i simply refuse to make a profit off of a musical
product that was free to begin with. i have read tons of posts from this
group about how's its not right to purchase something like boots etc. for
profit. i don't frequent ebay at all but it wouldn't suprise me if someone
is selling their mother's ashes for a profit.

just voicing my dislike of people making a profit off of promotions and
freebies that were provided for the enjoyment of fans and the promotion of a
artist's new cd etc.  this is not intended to offend anyone. others might
feel differently and that is your right and i respect that. i just wanted to
gripe! and voice my opinion.

peace,
paula


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>just an fyi:
>i saw a 7" on sale at ebay today.  here is the link
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>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=1415278555
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i called daemon last wednesday because i hadn't
received mine yet, and i live in atlanta.  when i gave
them the confirmation number, they had that number for
another order, and thus even though i received an
email confirmation from them, they did not receive my
order.  if you didn't receive a second email
confirmation that said your card has been charged,
then your cd has probably not been sent, and perhaps
you had the same problem i did.  the first email
confirmation essentially is not a confirmation, as two
people were assigned the same confirmation number by
the computer, and i did not receive the cd, while i
presume the other person who had my confirmation
number did.
i still only have good things to say about daemon, and
andrea was incredibly helpful to correct the
situation, and my copy of stag should now arrive any
day.
:-)carrie

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> >   i pre-ordered stag and have not received yet.
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> >   additionally, i qualified for signed copy, too!
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> >   anyone else pre-order & havent received?
> >
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hi ehren.
thanks for the pictures...
l&l
liz

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<html><font face=arial,helvetica><body bgcolor="#ffffff"><font  size=3 family="serif" face="calisto mt" lang="0">hi ehren.
<br>thanks for the pictures...
<br>l&l
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march 15 ('69)
jenhall@juno.com (jen hall)

march 15
jessica fritzges (jsslyn@aol.com)

march 16 (74)
kiddo@together.net-diane g. -

march 17 ('78)
skwan@midway.uchicago.edu (susanna kwan)
"gotta get outta bed, get a hammer and a nail, learn how to use my
hands, not just my head, cuz i'll think myself into jail"

march 18 ('73)
junebug@aeneas.net (leigh ann)


happy birthday all!  i'd be more enthusiastic but i'm getting sick
*grumbles*

love and devotion,
audra
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hkf,

we've gone to 2 different tower records and 1 local record store and none
of them had stag!  the guy at the local store said his distributor told
him it haden't been released yet.  tower either ran out or haden't gotten
it yet, depending on who we asked.  i just wanted to say, "hey, this is
amy ray we're talking about.  amy ray!  i'm surprised at all of you..."

okay, i'm calm, i'm calm. :)

nancy

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after reviewing all the great tidbits at rolling stone.com
(http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/default.asp?oid=1442295)...i'm
impressed with amy's solo performances of black heart today and late
bloom...but does anybody else just find it really weird when amy does
the end-plug "i'm amy ray and this is rolling stone.com?"  it seems
just...i dunno...hypocritical is too strong a word...ironic, maybe,
that she's plugging rolling stone when she puts them down so strongly
on her album?  (yes, i know it's symbolic, but still).

jason

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last tuesday i went to buns & noodles, ... i mean barnes & noble in
akron, oh (montrose) and they had only ordered one copy, ... which i
bought. on thursday i went to borders (montrose again) to get a copy for
my granddaughter and they had 7 on order but none of them had come in
yet. i also have one on order from cdnow but that order got held up due
to another pending release on the same order (jill sobule).
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nancy golumbia wrote:
>
> hkf,
>
> we've gone to 2 different tower records and 1 local record store and none
> of them had stag!  the guy at the local store said his distributor told
> him it haden't been released yet.  tower either ran out or haden't gotten
> it yet, depending on who we asked.

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hey everyone,


during this time of "stag" talk being high i, who have not yet heard the cd
(got an mp3 or two but can't find the cd yet. haven't gotten to manhattan)
have been studying amy's body of work.

i am an amy guy. i'm a heavy metal fan, i love the alto voice range and i
love poetic aggression. she's for me

my favorite two songs ever created in the history of music is bach's fugue in
gminor "little" and world falls. a very dareing song about immortality, and a
tribute to how beautiful life is and wanting to keep it forever. that rules!

i love three hits; "....the last one sings in me son; bang! bang! bang!"

a song about a man who shot himself  three times in the heart. rock!

but there is one song,   i love the guitar work, the poetry of the lyrics,
and what i feel are the top two or three harmony works they have put
together. secure yourself.

from the part where the song stops and amy repeats the chours to the end are
one of my favorite ways to allocate any free 2 minuet & 18 second blocks of
time.

i love this song.... what's it about?

joe
brooklyn, ny

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at 12:01 am 3/12/01 -0500, sprdinosur@aol.com wrote:

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>but there is one song,   i love the guitar work, the poetry of the lyrics,
>and what i feel are the top two or three harmony works they have put
>together. secure yourself.
>
> >from the part where the song stops and amy repeats the chours to the end are
>one of my favorite ways to allocate any free 2 minuet & 18 second blocks of
>time.
>
>i love this song.... what's it about?

joe,

i can't provide proof, but it's commonly believed secure yourself is about
amy's cat that died. : )  maybe someone else can prove me wrong/right.. but
that's what i've heard more than once.

liltingly,

.. melanie
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brave people love, while cowards want to be loved.

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hi y'all-

does anyone else have static on the first three tracs of stag?  the first
copy i got had it, but now the second one does too.  anyone else?

chris

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hey y'all-

tickets for the ann arbor show, small club, great venue, are now available
through ticketbastard.  good luck, y'all!

chris ii

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http://www.sonicnet.com/reviews/rev.jhtml

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actually that url is just the frame.  go to
http://www.sonicnet.com/reviews/rev.jhtml?genrenamefordisplay=
rock&genredirectoryname=rock&cid=1441417&configpathname=rock


geez, long url.


on mon, 12 mar 2001, lisalisaa@aol.com wrote:

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jason wrote:

>it seems just...i dunno...hypocritical is too strong a word...ironic,
> >maybe, that she's plugging rolling stone when she puts them down so
> >strongly on her album?  (yes, i know it's symbolic, but still).

i don't find it ironic in the least. amy's argument all along has been for
the inclusion of women (herself included) in mainstream music media. i think
the irony lies in the fact that they finally gave amy's music the attention
and merit it deserves after she wrote a scathing song about their "fearless
leader."

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from the list faq:

11.1. what is "secure yourself" about?

"secure yourself" is about the spiritual journey into heaven.  the
song was inspired by amy's grief when one of her cats died.


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hey kind friends...
thank you al so much for telling me where i could find put on your green =
shoes.=20
i found it at half.com.=20
my daughter is 7 now, and loves music...especially the girls.=20
i have been having on going spinal /health problems now for several years. =
surgery a year back and probably in the near future. an mri last week.=20
i picked mariah ( daughter)  up for the weekend and she asked if i had the =
green tree cd in the car. i put it in and she started singing along with =
all  the songs. she had only heard it once before. and she knew the =
words!! we will work on the tone and such. but friday night we were having =
a girls night and she wanted to know if jamie ( partner) was coming over. =
i said no, but she said she wanted her too. so i called and she made the =
45 mile trip. anyway...it was about 11:30 or so at night and she wanted me =
to put the cd in..so i did. we were listening to it and she began =
"interpreting the songs for us. then she picked up her guitar ( got it for =
her last year-full sized honer) anyway...she picked out the notes to =
loquat tree. i was amazed cause i can not really play by ear. i was =
smiling...anyway...we began talking at her insistence about my back and =
possible surgery and such...she wanted to know if she could bring the =
guitar to my room afterwards and play loquat tree for me. i about cried. =
jamie did.
mariah painted me a picture that was great...with all three of us in it..a =
home and a tree etc...this is the first time that she has really announced =
the fact that she didn't mind mommy having a so that wasn't her father. my =
mother is against me being gay and since my daughter is there thru the =
week it can get kinda tense...anyway....i started to tear up..it was =
great. she went outside and got some leave s that had already fallen came =
in and cut out a frame for the picture out of typing paper and taped the =
leaves all around the frame.=20

when she was finished she showed it to me. she then told us that we had =
missed a very important part of the picture. i thought that having all 3 =
of us in it was the point..but no....in the tree she had drawn the bird, =
squirrel, the mouse and the bee..... and in the corner there was a baby =
loquat tree drawn in...

i realized that the music i have turned to so many times for different =
things has helped my daughter deal with divorce, separation from me during =
the week and my having a partner and us buying a house together...
thank you to all of you who spoke up about this kids album...she knows all =
of the songs and loves em....i am very thankful i bought it....


sparkie

( going to dr., office now for another series of test)

loralei riney
eligibility supervisor/membership analyst
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mesa, az. 85201
480-827-4829  =20
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check it out :)

<a href="http://www.wfuv.org/">click here: wfuv.org and 90.7 fm, public radio
from fordham university in new york city</a>

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hey y'all-

just an fyi, someone asked about downloading the rolling stone videos of amy performing late bloom and black heart today acoustically.  i have tried about ten different ways of extracting the actual files, but have been unable to do so.

however, i have copied the audio for those two acoustic versions, and converted them to mp3 and posted on the mailing list section of my site.  i am anticipating that rolling stone will not keep those videos up forever, so this is one way of keeping them alive.

http://brianclary.com

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hey all,
just wanted to see if i could find anything out about "stag" record sales and was surprised to see that ms. ray is the featured artist of the day at billboard.com.  don't think i've seen this one posted yet, so the article and pic from the website follow:
indigo girl amy ray goes 'stag'
by larry flick

although solo projects often spell trouble for an established act, amy ray says that recording "stag" on her own ultimately solidifies her creative union with longtime indigo girls partner emily saliers.

"getting these songs -- which run pretty left of indigo girls -- off my chest was such a tremendous relief," ray says. "last year, i found myself writing more than ever. those songs needed a home. now that i've made that happen, i feel a sense of relief and accomplishment. i also find myself feeling energized about making music again as an indigo girl."

ray admits that the punk-spiced "stag" -- which hits retail march 20 -- has another important purpose: to draw attention to her indie label, daemon records, a nonprofit outlet that she's been operating from her decatur, ga., home base for the past decade. during that time, the label has earned critical praise for launching such underground darlings as danielle howle, rock-a-teens, rose polenzani, and mrs. fun. although indigo girls remain signed to epic records, "stag" will be released by daemon.

"i'm extremely fortunate in that there are people out there who are interested in what i do," ray says. "if that interest can become a way of introducing people to great music, then i feel like i'm doing something proactive with my success."

a byproduct of recording "stag" for daemon is that ray was compelled to assemble the set on a relatively tight budget. "and here's the important lesson that i was reminded of," she explains. "you don't have to spend thousands of dollars to make a good record. you have to trust yourself and not overthink things."

while recording, ray notes that she would occasionally revisit tracks to tweak them, only to decide that "the emotional context of the track was honest," so she would just leave it alone. "when you're in a band and every second in the studio counts, you're a little more emotionally present from the start. there's no time to waste."

another benefit of working under lean circumstances is that the collection crackles with raw, electric energy. ray seems to be flying by the seat of her creative pants throughout "stag," belting with a previously unrevealed fervor. she has surrounded herself with a host of grass-roots rock divas, including joan jett, kate schellenback of luscious jackson, and josephine wiggs of the breeders.

"it was like assembling my own little dream team," ray says with a smile. "i made a wish list of people i'm a fan of. it was the coolest experience."

yet ray's at her best when she steps in front of two of her favorite bands, southern goth-punk legends the rock-a-teens and durham, n.c.-based trio the butchies. "these are two of the hardest-working bands i know of," she says. "i felt a lot of communal power working with them. and they brought so much to the table -- especially the butchies, who went farther musically than i ever thought they could. it was amazing to watch them work and push themselves so hard."

among the cuts on which ray and the butchies excel is the set-opening "laramie," a complex, often poetic rocker that wraps the listener in a haze of fuzzy guitar lines and quietly intense rhythms.

elsewhere on "stag," ray darts her sharp lyrical tongue at a variety of people and factions. perhaps most memorable is the raucous "lucy stoners," a diatribe about sexism in the music industry.

"lucy stoners" is "about my journey through this business," ray says, recalling that while the indigo girls were working their way through clubs across the states, "every wall was covered with images -- some subtle and some pretty obvious -- of men getting blow jobs from women. it's insane but true. this song is for every woman in this industry who has to put up with that crap. it's bad for everyone, but it's even worse for women who are working their way through the system from street level."

ray will bolster the "stag" campaign by hitting the road in april for a series of club dates. the butchies will open the shows. "it's going to be a blast to hear these songs come to life onstage," ray enthuses.

from there, ray says it'll be time to "return to indigoland. we'll start recording in the summer. i think it's going to be a more acoustic, back-to-basics album for us. i'm excited about that. i'm ready for us to make a simple, beautiful record."

peace, melissa


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<p>hey all,<br>just wanted to see if i could find anything out about "stag" record sales and was surprised to see that ms. ray is the featured artist of the day at billboard.com.  don't think i've seen this one posted yet, so the article and pic from the website follow:</p>
<h3><b>indigo girl amy ray goes 'stag' </b></h3>
<p>by larry flick </p>
<p><img align=right alt="amy ray" border=0 hspace=5 src="http://www.billboard.com/images/artists/amy+ray.gif"> although solo projects often spell trouble for an established act, amy ray says that recording "stag" on her own ultimately solidifies her creative union with longtime indigo girls partner emily saliers.<br><br>"getting these songs -- which run pretty left of indigo girls -- off my chest was such a tremendous relief," ray says. "last year, i found myself writing more than ever. those songs needed a home. now that i've made that happen, i feel a sense of relief and accomplishment. i also find myself feeling energized about making music again as an indigo girl."<br><br>ray admits that the punk-spiced "stag" -- which hits retail march 20 -- has another important purpose: to draw attention to her indie label, daemon records, a nonprofit outlet that she's been operating from her decatur, ga., home base for the past decade. during that time, the label has earned critical praise for launching such underground darlings as danielle howle, rock-a-teens, rose polenzani, and mrs. fun. although indigo girls remain signed to epic records, "stag" will be released by daemon.<br><br>"i'm extremely fortunate in that there are people out there who are interested in what i do," ray says. "if that interest can become a way of introducing people to great music, then i feel like i'm doing something proactive with my success."<br><br>a byproduct of recording "stag" for daemon is that ray was compelled to assemble the set on a relatively tight budget. "and here's the important lesson that i was reminded of," she explains. "you don't have to spend thousands of dollars to make a good record. you have to trust yourself and not overthink things."<br><br>while recording, ray notes that she would occasionally revisit tracks to tweak them, only to decide that "the emotional context of the track was honest," so she would just leave it alone. "when you're in a band and every second in the studio counts, you're a little more emotionall<p>peace, melissa<br></p><p><br><hr size=1><b>do you yahoo!?</b><br>
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hey all,


through further tooling around on the web, here's what else i've found.  first off, there's another album entitled, "stag," by the melvins, put out in 1996.


also, allmusic gives stag 4 and 1/2 stars (out of five). i was happily impressed. and, if ya wanna check out the review (etc.) yourself on allmusic, here's the url:


http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=a5hzsa9lgq23f


if you just want to read the review from allmusic.com, it follows:
artist amy rayalbum title stagdate of release mar 6, 2001 amg rating  genre rock tones wistful, bittersweet, poignant, earneststyles alternative pop/rock, singer/songwriter  amg expert review: amy ray has a message. she always has. but as half of the indigo girls, she was a bit more measured, reserved, and polite, if you will. still, she wants to be heard and what she has to say on stag is very much worth listening to. the disclaimer that it's a return to her southern rock and punk roots might turn some folkies off, but it shouldn't. stag is punk done in the tradition of patti smith and the replacements rather than the sex pistols. it is punk in its rebellious spirit, its contagious energy, and its anti-establishment calls to action. more than that, though, it is pure amy ray - her activism and her artistry melding and achieving something remarkable. it shows the full panorama of her as a person and a musician, from political outrage to self-doubt, from hardcore guitars to mandolins. yet the consistency remains unscathed, the potency of the message unabated. "johnny rottentail" leads the march to glory. a solo mandolin and vocal race each other to the end of this "tale of one bad seed" who was hanged for a crime feeling no remorse, and the sibling who tells the story. the next cut, "laramie," is especially sobering in this era of political debate over hate crimes. with a quiet, steady urgency it pleads for an end to the hypocrisy of the rich right wing's sermons of love and deeds of hate. then there's "lucystoners"'s attack on the oppressive machismo of the music industry and its lack of support for women and gays. not subtle points she's making, and she's just three songs into this thing. you still have to get through "hey castrator," which seems to delve into a man's uncontrollable urges to rape and kill and the physical solutions that would end his torture. don't worry. just keep listening. it's all good. amid the outcries of injustice, all of these songs surely hold personal truths for ray, but a few seem ***

'tis all for now from me...

peace, melissa


artist
amy ray

album title
stag

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amg rating


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rock

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amg expert review: amy ray has a message. she always has. but as half of the indigo girls, she was a bit more measured, reserved, and polite, if you will. still, she wants to be heard and what she has to say on stag is very much worth listening to. the disclaimer that it's a return to her southern rock and punk roots might turn some folkies off, but it shouldn't. stag is punk done in the tradition of patti smith and the replacements rather than the sex pistols. it is punk in its rebellious spirit, its contagious energy, and its anti-establishment calls to action. more than that, though, it is pure amy ray - her activism and her artistry melding and achieving something remarkable. it shows the full panorama of her as a person and a musician, from political outrage to self-doubt, from hardcore guitars to mandolins. yet the consistency remains unscathed, the potency of the message unabated. "johnny rottentail" leads the march to glory. a solo mandolin and vocal race each other to the end of this "tale of one bad seed" who was hanged for a crime feeling no remorse, and the sibling who tells the story. the next cut, "laramie," is especially sobering in this era of political debate over hate crimes. with a quiet, steady urgency it pleads for an end to the hypocrisy of the rich right wing's sermons of love and deeds of hate. then there's "lucystoners"'s attack on the oppressive machismo of the music industry and its lack of support for women and gays. not subtle points she's making, and she's just three songs into this thing. you still have to get through "hey castrator," which seems to delve into a man's uncontrollable urges to rape and kill and the physical solutions that would end his torture. don't worry. just keep listening. it's all good. amid the outcries of injustice, all of these songs surely hold personal truths for ray, but a few seem to be bouts with more personal demons. "measure of me" and "lazyboy" certainly feel more intimate, both musically and lyrically. to record these tunes, ray turned to the band


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<p>hey all,</p><br>
<p>through further tooling around on the web, here's what else i've found.  first off, there's another album entitled, "stag," by the melvins, put out in 1996.  </p><br>
<p>also, allmusic gives stag 4 and 1/2 stars (out of five). i was happily impressed. and, if ya wanna check out the review (etc.) yourself on allmusic, here's the url:  </p><br>
<p><a href="http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=a5hzsa9lgq23f">http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=a5hzsa9lgq23f</a></p><br>
<p>if you just want to read the review from allmusic.com, it follows:</p>
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<td width=607><b>amg expert review:</b> <a href="http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=1amy|ray">amy ray</a> has a message. she always has. but as half of the <a href="http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=box68mpn39foo">indigo girls</a>, she was a bit more measured, reserved, and polite, if you will. still, she wants to be heard and what she has to say on <a href="http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=ay6ge4j475waq"><i>stag</i></a> is very much worth listening to. the disclaimer that it's a return to her southern rock and punk roots might turn some folkies off, but it shouldn't. <a href="http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=ak9fyxqr0ldde"><i>stag</i></a> is punk done in the tradition of <a href="http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=b5e0qoarayijx">patti smith</a> and <a href="http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=bq1uj6j6h71q0">the replacements</a> rather than <a href="http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=bvx7ibka96ak0">the sex pistols</a>. it is punk in its rebellious spirit, its contagious energy, and its anti-establishment calls to action. more than that, though, it is pure <a href="http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=1amy|ray">amy ray</a> - her activism and her artistry melding and achieving something remarkable. it shows the full panorama of her as a person and a musician, from political outrage to self-doubt, from hardcore guitars to mandolins. yet the consistency remains unscathed, the potency of the message unabated. "johnny rottentail" leads the march to glory. a solo mandolin and vocal race each other to the end of this "tale of one bad seed" who was hanged for a crime feeling no remorse, and the sibling who tells the story. the next cut, "laramie," is especially sobering in this era of political debate over hate crimes. with a quiet, steady urgency it pleads for an end to the hypocrisy of the rich right wing's sermons of love and deeds of hate. then there's "lucystoners"'s attack on the oppressive machismo o<p>***</p>
<p>'tis all for now from me...</p>
<p>peace, melissa<br></p>
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hey folks,

here's the review from sonicnet...

-sherlyn


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stag, amy ray
(daemon)

clean sweat

by kembrew mcleod

when you think of the mandolin - that small, stringed instrument
typically used in bluegrass music and bad bruce hornsby songs -
you don't immediately think of punk rock. moreover, punk isn't
something you'd normally associate with amy ray, half of the
gynocentric alt-folk duo the indigo girls. yet, on "johnny
rottentail" (realaudio excerpt), the leadoff track of her first
solo album, stag, ray attacks the instrument with speed and
punishing urgency - burning though two fiery minutes of
compelling storytelling without the need for pounding drums,
testosterone, or vein-popping yowling in order to earn the "p"
label. "it's the tale of johnny rotten," she sings, but - hey
hey, my my - it's not really about that sexy ex-pistol, and is
more akin to a raw appalachian folk song about the devil, bad
seeds and murder. halfway through the track, as ray's frenetic
playing and the tempo both intensify, she sings: "as a child we
called him rotten till he was lonely and forgotten/ and he
revenged our constant jeering with his every word and deed."

ray has joined forces here with new and old rebel girls - the
butchies, joan jett, and current and/or former members of the
rock*a*teens, luscious jackson and the breeders - to craft
thoughtful, rockin' folk music (not to be confused with
touchy-feely kumbayadda-yadda folk-rock). "hey castrator"
(realaudio excerpt) mixes desire with self-loathing to create a
compelling musical bed, aided and abetted by the formidable power
trio of joan jett (guitar), josephine wiggs (bass) and kate
schellenbach (drums). despite the cred-enhancing affiliations,
ray has wisely chosen not to reinvent herself as some sort of
revisionist riot grrrl, and has kept many of the hooks and some
of the harmonies that mark the music she's made over the course
of nine albums with her (here absent) partner emily saliers.

on the album's standout track, "lucystoners" (realaudio excerpt),
ray bites the hand that, for the most part, doesn't feed her,
lashing out at the old-and-young-boy rock critic network,
including (and especially) the founder and editor of one
particular music mag. over the bashing of drums and loud,
fuzz-free guitars, this indignant girl sings the song's hook:
"janny wenner/ janny wenner/ rolling stone's most fearless
leader/ gave the boys what they deserve/ but with the girls he
lost his nerve."

it's too bad this independently released album will most likely
fall through the commercial cracks, because stag is one of those
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rare albums that fuses aggression, good music and sharp
institutional critiques without sounding strident or, um, stiff.
as ms. ray sings: "lucy stoners don't need boners."

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hi...

a little bird tells me there are mp3s of the two tracks from the stag 7" in
the files section of the igbooters yahoo group:
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you need to be a member of yahoogroups (and the igbooters groups) to get
them, and they'll only be there a day or two, so act fast.

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well, i just bought my copy of stag, and it looks like it will go to one
of my friends.  because it's not only angry but the melodies are
melancholy. i rely on music that's more positive
to get me through my day.that and i really miss emily. i'm a sucker for
harmony and if it's not there well. anyways, i knew emily wasn't going
to be on but  it doesn't take two to harmonize in this day and age.

  so i learned a lesson: if i have the slightest inkling iwill not like
something( since 99 %  of the time i'm usually correct) i need to listen
to that  just thought i'd throw this in to add  a little contrast. to
the discussion.

peace
barb

for wbai fm and all the pacifica radio stations, the studios of the
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i'm going out to seattle in may, i'm trying to figure any transportation
that goes to walla walla - i know greyhound does - i heard a train - not
amtrak- may also.

and for all you east coasters - i got a r/t flight for well under 200 on
united.


peace-
mike r.


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hi folks,

it's wonderful to see all this igc and stag posting!

please keep in mind that when posting to the list your emails should be in
plain text.  many of our listees have trouble downloading posts with html or
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if you have trouble setting your email program to plain text, email me
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for 2 tickets @ amy's nice price, its $30.50 when amy only charges us $20 of
that.

its $10.50 total for ticketbastard...more than the price of one of her
tickets....

ok, something has to kick their butts.

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gee, i dont post in like months and now twice in 10 minutes!!
anyway, i dont think i've heard of anyone mentioning this review yet....
sorry it looks stupid, it copy/pasted badly....
go to http://www.nerve.com/regulars/viewsreviews/  iffn you cant handle
it....

southern discomfort

                a soft-bellied, hummable investigation into
                going solo, being butch and feeling an outlaw
                kind of desire, amy ray's stag isn't restricted
                to men; it's got nothing to do with horses or
                deer or pornography. but it is, in its way, a
                stag party. ray, who's been performing as the
                dark-haired, throaty half of the indigo girls
                for the past thirteen years, shows up on this
                album unaccompanied, in a manner of
                speaking, by the ladies - emily saliers, epic
                records - she's been taking to the dance all
                these years. and, having assembled a new
                collection of rebellious musicians
                (southerners, punk rockers, dykes) she
                throws herself a giddy, badass party. no music business
executives and no straight girls allowed in the studio, thanks.
released on ray's own eleven-year-old indie label (georgia-based daemon
records), the album features a mini-who's who of the queer girl music scene
icons joan jett and kate schellenbach (formerly of luscious jackson) play
backup on a couple of songs, and members of underground bands  rock*a*teens
and three finger cowboy join in on one or two others. but,  poetically
enough, it's the butchies - a north carolina punk trio distributed by an
outfit called mr. lady records - that accompanies ray through the  emotional
and musical core of the album. the butchies, for instance, join ray  on what
presents itself as the album's signature tune, "lucy stoners." a smart
aleck-y, flowing, electric guitar-based track, "lucy stoners" combines a
feminist critique of the music industry with transcendent, rebellious
harmony. "we were talking ticket slump," she sings, "trying to put our
finger on it./ quantify the undoing/ of each little step - its just a lack
of press." indigo girl-like, she and the butchies strum their guitars while
ray's playful disses -of blowjob-obsessed musicians, the music industry's
marketing strategies and the popularity of "faggot-bashing" songs -
crescendo. by the time the sing-songy, teasing chorus comes around ("janny
wenner, janny wenner,  rolling stone's most fearless leader / gave the boys
what they deserve but
with the girls he lost his nerve") she and her pals are happily yowling
withanti-corporate, queer girl solidarity. as the track ends, they repeat
the chorus over and over, deliriously, as if gathered around somebody's
hairbrush at a pajama party. "lucy stoners don't need boners," they howl.
(lucy stoners:  girls who take after nineteenth-century feminist lucy stone,
the first marriedwoman to keep her name? girls who smoke pot? stone butches?
take your pick.)

but ray's collaborations with the butchies don't just feature  tough-mouthed
activist passion. the butchies also play backup to ray's
considerations of how it feels to have her butch heart broken. on "mtns of
glory" - the most divulgent track on the cd - they amp it up as ray spinsher
version of "heartbreak hotel." "i'm gonna miss being the boy," she sings,
"i'm gonna miss being the man . . . hey baby don't you want to feel/
mountains of glory, mountains of glory?" layered, subtle and rhythmic, these
lines are about as revealing as ray ever gets about her personal life;
despite the pornographic promise of the name of the album, it delivers
almost nothing
that's expressly erotic name of the album, it delivers almost nothing
that's expressly erotic. there are no juicy details about ray's past or
present love life, and only the barest, most cryptic references to the very
idea of her sexual desire. "hey castrator" (which features, instead of the
butchies, joan  jett, kate schellenbach and the breeders' josephine wiggs),
an open-ended, sinister ditty about a sexually frustrated teenager who can't
get a date, hints at
something personal. "i hate myself for turning on," ray intones darkly at
the end of the song. "take this strong out of me." but because the song is
told through an ambiguous series of short poem-lines, its impossible to tell
whether the teenager in question is meant to be ray as a young, lonely,
self-hating queer girl or as a teenaged rapist.
and so the onus is on the politics to give this stag party its energy. the
language about her personal life may be cloaked, but ray keeps nothing back
when crooning about, say, homophobia or misogyny in the music industry -to
mixed effect.

at its best, stag combines plucky political passion with the joys of melody;
once in a while, though, her activist anthems devolve into limp
slogan-songs. "laramie," her tribute to matthew shepard, for example, drives
a politically decent impulse into a musical heap of rehashed, leaflet-y
political argument. despite a few satisfyingly angry lines ("those rednecks
are just  doing/ what the classy fucker's thinking") and its noble
intentions, the song is mostly uncharacteristically flavorless and rigid:
"what we need is a little
addition/ an ounce of prevention/ and the weight of the law," ray sings, as
if on a hate crimes lobby trip. "hey coalition," she adds (referring to the
christian coalition), "lay down your mission." the song rhymes, and it wants
the right things; but it could use a little of that poetic subtlety ray
manages so well when it comes to treating the contours of her personal life.
still, it's easy to forgive her for these excesses. ray is so obviously
riding a post-lilith fair/all-girl collaboration high that it makes you feel
ungenerous to hold a grudge. and anyway, as she writes in the liner notes,
"the heart of this  record is . . . in that southern punk ethic -
subversiveness with a smile." as everyone knows, butch girls with a southern
punk ethic are hard to resist.
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anybody wonder if any journalist will write a review without quoting the rolling stone line from lucystoners?  seems like the easy way out.  i wonder if, when amy wrote it, she knew it would be one of the focal points of the album.  also, 'twould be interesting if she written a completely different line, and what might have happened then...

jason

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a little bird also told me that a cd is available of the stag 7" songs just
for the asking plus a blank and postage.

let me know if you don't have a phonograph <<crank, crank>> =) player in
there amongst the 8 track tapes.

jude :)

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neil wrote:

>a little bird tells me there are mp3s of the two tracks from the stag 7" in
>the files section of the igbooters yahoo group:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/igbooters/files/

>you need to be a member of yahoogroups (and the igbooters groups) to get
>them, and they'll only be there a day or two, so act fast.

it seems that yahoogroups only allows a certain number of downloads daily
from any group.  it's not quite 9am on tuesday, and already yahoo won't let
me download the files.  so, uh, please neil -- leave the files up a few
days.

thanks,
ruth

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hey all,

i just wanted to apologize to those listees who can't read html text.  i was so excited yesterday when i found stag info that hadn't already been posted, i just copied and pasted, and didn't think about all the people who wouldn't even get to read what i was sending. yipes!

i've already been "kindly reminded" of proper posting guidelines by more than one person.  of all my time on this list, 5+ years, this is probably my biggest faux-pas.  but, not my last, i'm sure.  but, no more html text from me.

peace, melissa

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<p>i just wanted to apologize to those listees who can't read html text.  i was so excited yesterday when i found stag info that hadn't already been posted, i just copied and pasted, and didn't think about all the people who wouldn't even get to read what i was sending. yipes!</p>
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hi peeps!

    i was just curious.... does anyone have a favorite song on stag yet? i
really like late bloom, but i haven't heard all of the cd yet.... because i
can't find it in athens! does anyone know where i might look? i don't have a
credit card so i can't order it off amazon. any ideas would be great. who
else is going to echo lounge on the 29th? i'm so excited. :)

smiles,
katie

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word is, she'll play a short set (like 45 minutes or
so), with no ig songs (though chaipas bound is
possible) and  a few covers thrown in.


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> someone quoted an article (i think) that amy will
> not be doing any ig songs.
> with that said, is it possible that these will be
> extremely short shows? her
> set i mean. under an hour?? i hope not.
>
> i know the show in wv was short (scheduled that way)
> but i thought she
> played an ig tune or two. i can't remember. anybody
> have that setlist?
>
> that could be why she's only charging $10. any
> thoughts?
>
> ninjadave.
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that's the way she signs. you may have luck getting it personalized to you
but its a scribble.

emily's is the same basically.

i'm hoping to catchup with her in columbus. anybody know where that list of
instore appearances is? i can't find it on pollstar.com or the daemon site.
i was hoping she'd do one in ny or phily too.

ninjadave.


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someone quoted an article (i think) that amy will not be doing any ig songs.
with that said, is it possible that these will be extremely short shows? her
set i mean. under an hour?? i hope not.

i know the show in wv was short (scheduled that way) but i thought she
played an ig tune or two. i can't remember. anybody have that setlist?

that could be why she's only charging $10. any thoughts?

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     i'm really surprised that anyone thought amy would be doing any ig
songs,since the release and pre-release of stag all she has talked about is
how she wanted to do something so different from the ig,so i didn't think she
would be playing anything but new stuff.i was curious to see what would
happen if fans continuously screamed out ig requests,our ms. ray can be quite
tempermental,so it will be interesting to see how the crowd reacts!!

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i've never been able to pick an absolute favorite amy song from any ig cd,
and it's no different with stag. each individual song has something in it
that i absolutely love. that's the magic of amy's writing, for me anway.

~robbin

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>>and anyway, as she writes in the liner notes,
"the heart of this  record is . . . in that southern punk ethic -
subversiveness with a smile." as everyone knows, butch girls with a southern
punk ethic are hard to resist.>>

wow, i sure wish my copy came with liner notes!  :-)

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okay, i've seen liner notes mentioned twice now in reviews. is this
something that went out with promo copies only? if so, is there anyone out
there with a promo copy who could post the liner notes?

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i dont know and apologize if it has been posted but i just ran across this by accident..thought ya'll might be interested...and a good pic of amy i think...
http:/www.joanjett.com
catchin up with amy ray....

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the promo cd-r did not come with any liner notes at all.. just the list of
songs. promos sent to radio/print would be the same as what we buy in the
store, but with a line through the bar code, or  promo written over it, that
sort of thing.

technically, the store release does have liner notes, if you take them
strictly to mean the details about who plays on what track, photo credits,
and no thank yous but a dedication.  what *i* miss, and i suspect many
others, would be the lyrics.  what's up with that?  now, i'm a folkie by
nature - do punk albums ofen have lyrics or not?  i do think it was a mistake
to not include lyrics so if anyone from daemon is reading this and can
explain that, i'd be grateful.

amy p.

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>promos sent to radio/print would be the same as what we buy in the
store, but with a line through the bar code, or  promo written over it, that
sort of thing.

i'm aware of that, i was just wondering if there was something apart from
the cd sent along with it as a package. it's just that 2 reviews so far have
mentioned quotes from liner notes that are nowhere to be found on the cd i
have.

~robbin

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hey y'all


regarding set lists, etc.

on my site i have a setlist from the mtn stage show...it is under the concert reviews section.  dee, if you are out there, yours is probably more accurate than mine, but i think i was close. :)  i too, really hope that people don't ask for ig songs...amy is in full 'indie' mode and will switch back to ig mode soon enough (june).  in the meantime, i am going to enjoy the indie stuff as much as possible, and the ig stuff as much as possible when it falls upon us again this summer.

maybe after amy does another solo album one day, her solo concerts will be longer.  but as much as i believe in the motto 'more amy ray is a good thing' i also appreciate what little time she can give to us right now to show her music to us.

someone had asked if the low ticket price was due to the lack of playing time at the concerts.  i think it is partly because it is a shorter show, and partly because amy loves this and doesnt want to price-gouge (sp?) anyone.  go amy!   i am thinking we will hear all the great stag songs that we are growing to love, some great opening acts, and maybe some butchies playing by themselves, promoting their new album as well.

regardless of which songs, i am really excited!!!

-brian  :)
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>      i'm really surprised that anyone thought amy would be doing any ig
songs,since the release and pre-release of stag all she has talked about is
how she wanted to do something so different from the ig,so i didn't think she
would be playing anything but new stuff.i was curious to see what would
happen if fans continuously screamed out ig requests,our ms. ray can be quite
tempermental,so it will be interesting to see how the crowd reacts!!

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hey mandy,

i'm definitely a lyrics person, too.

it's from "on your honor."

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> do punk albums ofen have lyrics or not?

punk albums have lyrics about as often as any other genre, really.

& i agree, i think that when people refer to liner notes it just
needs to be the recording info--tho' of course it'd be nice if we got
more than that!

johanna

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hey all,

the first song from "stag" that jumped out at me was "laramie," which is surprising because i usually like amy's harder/angrier stuff.  i really like how she expresses her anger and disgust in this song so subtly.  like, i'll call you a "mother f*cker," but i'll say it real calm and nice-like, so you have to think twice about whether or not i really just said that.  i also really love "mountains of glory," it's rockin', and "black heart today."  how can a song about being mean be so perky and happy-sounding.  i love the irony.

one song that growing on me is "measure of me."  based on the lyrics, i expected to like this song a lot.  but when i first heard it, i just didn't.  i'm liking it more and more with each listen.  heck, i'm liking the whole album more and more with each listen! :)  lazyboy is the slowest, though, as far as growing on me.  the sound is so weird on that song. you can hear the guitar strings as amy changes chords, and yet at the same time amy's vocal track seems way too loud.  i'm interested in it lyrically, like who's it about?  who's got the "beauty shop hair"?  isn't that just the oddest and most unexpected phrase you've ever heard amy say?

and a final comment on "stag," (besides the fact that i love the album), i find the comments that this album is so "hard" and "angry" surprising.  i don't see it as that much of a departure from what amy has already done on recent ig albums, as far as seething anger and punk-rock musicality are concerned.  this is in no way a bad thing, though.  i think the album kicks *ss!  (okay, another comment...) i'm also amazed at how much i identify with it lyrically, that is rare for me with ig songs.  i think this is the most upfront and direct amy's probably ever been, and i like it.

okay, well, i'll stop talking about "stag," and hopefully give others a chance to voice their opinions of the album.  so many articles and talk about the 7", but relatively little talk about the actual album.  is it because everyone's heard most of the songs already?  (before the release, i had heard "lucy stoners," "laramie," "late bloom," and "johhny rottentail.")  ok, really, i'm stopping now. :)

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<p>hey all,</p>
<p>the first song from "stag" that jumped out at me was "laramie," which is surprising because i usually like amy's harder/angrier stuff.  i really like how she expresses her anger and disgust in this song so subtly.  like, i'll call you a "mother f*cker," but i'll say it real calm and nice-like, so you have to think twice about whether or not i really just said that.  i also really love "mountains of glory," it's rockin', and "black heart today."  how can a song about being mean be so perky and happy-sounding.  i love the irony.</p>
<p>one song that growing on me is "measure of me."  based on the lyrics, i expected to like this song a lot.  but when i first heard it, i just didn't.  i'm liking it more and more with each listen.  heck, i'm liking the whole album more and more with each listen! :)  lazyboy is the slowest, though, as far as growing on me.  the sound is so weird on that song. you can hear the guitar strings as amy changes chords, and yet at the same time amy's vocal track seems way too loud.  i'm interested in it lyrically, like who's it about?  who's got the "beauty shop hair"?  isn't that just the oddest and most unexpected phrase you've ever heard amy say?</p>
<p>and a final comment on "stag," (besides the fact that i love the album), i find the comments that this album is so "hard" and "angry" surprising.  i don't see it as that much of a departure from what amy has already done on recent ig albums, as far as seething anger and punk-rock musicality are concerned.  this is in no way a bad thing, though.  i think the album kicks *ss!  (okay, another comment...) i'm also amazed at how much i identify with it lyrically, that is rare for me with ig songs.  i think this is the most upfront and direct amy's probably ever been, and i like it.</p>
<p>okay, well, i'll stop talking about "stag," and hopefully give others a chance to voice their opinions of the album.  so many articles and talk about the 7", but relatively little talk about the actual album.  is it because everyone's heard most of the songs already?  (before the release, i had heard "lucy stoners," "laramie," "late bloom," and "johhny rottentail.")  ok, really, i'm stopping now. :)</p>
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(before the release, i had heard "lucy stoners," "laramie," "late bloom," and "johhny rottentail.")

for anyone who cares, i had not heard "laramie" before getting my copy of "stag."  bad typo, sorry.

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>>okay, i've seen liner notes mentioned twice now in reviews. is this
something that went out with promo copies only? if so, is there anyone out
there with a promo copy who could post the liner notes?>>

i've thought about it a bit and i'm pretty sure that the quotes that people are using in articles most likely come from a daemon press kit/press release that was supplied with the album.  just a guess, though.

>>what *i* miss, and i suspect many
others, would be the lyrics.  what's up with that?  now, i'm a folkie by
nature - do punk albums ofen have lyrics or not?  i do think it was a mistake
to not include lyrics so if anyone from daemon is reading this and can
explain that, i'd be grateful.>>

again, just another guess, but perhaps they were trying to cut costs by not having to include an entire booklet with each cd?  if, in the long run, not including a booklet is going to save money for daemon and subsequently make money for daemon, i'm fine with getting the lyrics off of the net.

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hey folks,

here's an article from shemag.com - one of the ones mentioned
on the joan jett site.  you can read it online at:
http://www.shemag.com/second_feature/s_feature_main.asp

-sherlyn


---begin article---

catching up with amy ray

for years, we have known amy ray as half of the lesbian musical icons
the indigo girls. their music has united and empowered us. at times, it
helped us to understand ourselves and the world around us. the music of
indigo girls has played a huge part my life. i am not alone. talk to any
lesbian. she's sure to tell you a story or two involving the indigo girls.

for now, the story is amy ray's to tell. with the release of her solo
album, appropriately titled, "stag," i had a chance to talk with amy about
this new project and her non-profit record label, daemon records.


tina sordellini: your new album, "stag" is quite a departure from what you
normally have done. do you think the "average-indigo-girls-loving-lesbian"
is ready for this?

amy ray: i don't know. it doesn't matter to me honestly. i did this
project for myself. it was something i was doing because i needed to
challenge myself. i had a lot of songs that didn't fit in with the
indigo girls as well as i'd want them too. so, i decided that instead of
trying to force that, to make my own record and free myself up a little
bit. it also it made me a lot more free within the indigo girls, too. it
does have a couple acoustic songs in it that are radically different from
the rest of the album. that's a typical indigo thing. i can't see somebody
thinking it's such a departure that they can't listen to it.  we've been
pretty electric in the last five years of our career. but if someone's
really into emily specifically and into her song writing, they probably
won't like it. it's real different from emily. that's ok with me because i
didn't do this specifically for indigo girl fans, i did this just for me
to make music and whoever likes it, great...who doesn't, that's ok with
me, i'm not going to feel broken over it.

so, these songs were specifically written for this solo effort. is this
something you've been working on for a couple of years?

some of the songs are a few years old. i had some other songs that were
even older that i thought would go on it. it's been like 5 years thinking,
"i'll make a solo record at some point." then, when i really sat down and
said "i'm gonna do this," a couple years ago, i really started focusing my
effort on writing and finishing songs, that i started, that didn't sound
like indigo girl's songs, which were a lot of them. so, it made me
realize, as i was writing, rather than putting a song down because it
didn't feel like something that me and emily can do, that i would just
finish it and it would have a home [on the solo album]. that was a good
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thing. it made me finish more songs. i actually wrote more for indigo
girls, too. it's helped me a lot and we have more records to make. so,
anything i can do that helps me with indigo girls is good.

on, "hey castrator," you worked with kate schellenbach and joan jett. that
must have been a great experience...

it was great, they're good friends of mine and i've been jamming with them
off and on for a few years. i see them a lot when i'm in new york. kate is
a great drummer, she's very specific and she gets it in one or two takes.
she's a very spontaneous kind of fast worker. so, you have to be on your
toes and get it, too. joan is really the same way actually. by the time i
got around to recording, she was really busy. i said, "come by if you
can." she came by, i played her the part i wanted her to sing, gave her
the words and she went in there, did it really quickly and then played
guitar on it. joan...she's got a heart of gold. she's an amazing person
and a really great musician.

tell me a bit about your non-profit label, daemon records.

the way it happens is, any money that comes in is turned around into the
next project. i have three people that work for me right now with very
small salaries. all the artists help too, so it's kind of like a co-op.
the artists will come in and help us do mailings. (it's sort of written
into their contract that they have to give a certain number of hours to
the label and that's because i want them to learn what goes into it. so,
they can really be attached to what they're doing in every way.) any
profit that comes in is split. once what we've made back what we've spent,
a percen-tage goes to the artist and then the other percentage goes back
into the label to fund the next project. the other part of that is we have
a couple of really big records and they've been specifically earmarked
towards benefits. we had one album called "jesus christ superstar: a
resurrection." it was a re-recording of the whole rock opera by georgian
musicians. it was really cool, it sold a lot and we've donated about $60k
to gun control organizations from that. we had another record called
"honor" that was a collection of indian and non-indian artists, just
songs, for a foundation called honor the earth that emily and i started.
it is an environmental group. that album raised about $50k. my record
will hopefully do very well and help fund the label and the projects that
come up.  the positive side of it is, if it does well, it will help fund
a lot of other artists and that's really important to me. the independent
scene is very important to me and it's really where my heart is.

when you were writing the song, "lucy stoners" were you talking about how
difficult it is for certain artists to get radio air play?

yes, i was specifically referring to indigo girls and how radio is based
on an irrational set of conditions about what the consumer base and
demographics are. radio formats have been dominated by advertising trying
to please advertising which in turn, is all about profit. it has gone from
bad to worse.  i've seen it in my career of radio in the last 15 years.
i've seen it change radically to the point where it's all science and
there's no independence and autonomy to what people are playing. if you're
a woman, you're a trend or you're a backlash. you're never on solid
ground.  it's a real hard position to be in and it's not fair. it's
something that a lot of us have worked on trying to change and get low
powered radio and more stations and more community radio; to change the
spectrum a little bit to have more diversity.

will the lyrics to the songs be inside the jacket of the cd?

no, because of the cost. but the lyrics will be available on the website
and listeners can send a letter requesting lyrics and we'll get them out
to them.

are there plans for another solo project?

i haven't even thought about it. it took me a year and i just finished
it. the next record i do is going to be with the indigo girls. maybe in
the spring, late spring early summer.

if you'd like more information on amy ray, daemon records you can visit
www.daemonrecords.com. there you will also find songs available for
download, video and photos.

amy would also like us to mention that another artist named rose
pulenzanni has a record being released on the daemon label. the site will
have a lot of about her. too. you may also see her on the road with amy
a bit.

tina sordellini is she magazine's managing editor. sge can be reached via
e-mail at:
               info@shemag.com.

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hey folks,

here's another article which was linked from the joan jett
site... you can read it at
http://www.womanrock.com/features/amy_ray_stag.html...

-sherlyn

---begin article---

amy ray in solo mode
by pam huwig

george eliot once wrote, "there is no feeling, except the extremes
of fear and grief, that does not find relief in music."

eliot may have known a thing or two about drag and going stag,
but she obviously never heard the likes of amy ray. with her
debut solo album, stag, amy reaches right through your chest and
rocks the hell out of your every inch, sparing no emotion, including
fear, grief, and loathing.

lucky for us music junkies, for an artist like amy ray, molding
lyrics, riffs, and mood is all in days' work. for those of you who
have been long-time indigo girls fans, strap-on your seatbelts (or
whatever other strapables you have) for an exicting ride through
stag.

amy's musical and lyrical versatility is thick throughout this record.
try not to clutter your mind with expectations of what the record
should sound like, and just let yourself be overcome with its'
handsome mix of punk, rock, and folk. the release of stag marks
amy's evolution as a musician, but it doesn't mean you won't be
hearing more from the indigos.

"the indigo girls are still going strong. i think [stag] just marks
another facet of what me and emily do," says amy. "we do
separate, and we do stuff together, you know? this solo record is
very separate from indigo girls, but at the same time, everything
overlaps so much that it doesn't really feel exclusive to any one
thing. i don't know if i'll make another solo record. if i have the
songs and the time, i will, i'm sure. but emily and i definitely are
still working together."

for emily's part, to no surprise, she is completely supportive of
amy's solo endeavors. after all, they've been friends and playing
tunes together for more than 10 years.

she likes it," amy says. "she was very into it and responsive to it
and had nothing but nice things to say about it."

going stag not only has allowed amy to move in a new direction by
getting back to some of her fondest roots, but it gave her the
opportunity to work with some top-notch bands.

"whenever i've thought about doing a solo record, you know, just
played around with it in my head, the seeds of it came from
wanting to play with these bands that i was really into and record
some of the stuff that we created together," ray says. "so i
decided rather than get just one band that i go out and find, to
approach some bands i am familiar [with]. and i knew that the way
they played would be easily fit into what i was doing."

needless to say, amy ray has impeccable taste in music. she
hand-picked artists such as the butchies (who will be touring with
amy in april), rock-a-teens, josephine wiggs (the breeders),
1945 (previously known as three finger cowboy), kate
schellenbach of luscious jackson, and veteran rocker joan jett -
not a bad collaboration, if you ask me.

"when i'm writing, i know i can hear my influences; when i'm
playing i can tell that it's definitely something, let's say that the
butchies influenced or that type of thing," she says. "kate and
josephine are two people i jam with off an on when i'm in new
york, just for fun, and they're great players. i started to get to
know the butchies a few years ago. kaia had gotten in touch with
me about possibly working with daemon [amy's 11-year-old,
self-founded indie label]. they've toured with the indigo girls a lot
the past few years. just through playing with them a lot i became
familiar with how they play. so, i was really specific with what i
wanted them to play on," she adds.

the butchies contributed to several songs on stag, including
"lucystoners," "measure me," "on your honor," and one of the most
stirring tracks, "laramie" - a song that by it's mere title conjures up
the horrific and unforgettable murder of matthew sheppard.

     "poor man do the bidding for the rich man
     those rednecks are just doing
     what the classy fuckers' thinking
     and tolerance is ain't acceptance
     i know you wanted it to be
     when you're out in laramie...
     hey all you jokers, hunting season's over
     hey coalition, lay down your mission..."

"'laramie' didn't seem to be the butchies style, but they wanted to
give it a shot, and it was so good," she says. "melissa's drum part
on that song is really amazing. it's exactly what i had in mind; it's
got the neil young feel but it's still got this reggae thing
happening, and something different like the clash."

with influences from joni mitchell to husker du, amy ray has
brilliantly made stag accesible to old and new fans alike - simply by
making it real and versatile.

"stag is definitely punk in its' sentiment, and in its' approach in
every way," amy explains. "but musically, it's got songs that are
rock, and some folk. but i would say it's in the spirit of punk.
that's what i'm drawing from more than anything else on the
record."

like her music, amy is authentic at her core. in addition to her
full-time commitment to her own gigs and daemon records, she
remains tirelessly devoted to environmental and human rights
causes.

"joan jett tumbled in after an all-night dress rehearsal for the
rocky horror picture show on broadway to sing the rather
broadwayish coda to the song and of course provide her
unmatchable rhythm guitar backbone," amy says.

her bud joan, who ripped out orgasmic vocals on "hey castrator,"
perhaps captures what is amy best:

"amy ray is one person that walks it like she talks it. she is
committed to doing whatever she can to make the world better,
and to fighting injustice wherever she can," says joan. "that is one
of the many reasons i am proud to call her my friend. amy was
looking for a natural performance on 'hey castrator' without a lot a
lot of polish. i think we had great energy and i am wishing her all
the luck in the world -- she deserves it!"

this article was previously published in diva magazine london, uk

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without your help, one of the most dangerous and destructive elements of the bush tax plan may pass with little notice -- the repeal of the estate tax.  this repeal is not just a boon for the very rich, it is a knife at the throat of our nation's charities.  to help stop it, sign our petition at:

   http://www.moveon.org/savecharity/index.html

today, wealthy people often leave their legacy through the creation and support of charities.  they give to charity rather than to uncle sam.  schools, research institutions, hospitals, colleges, public service charities and churches will all suffer if the estate tax is repealed.

i'm helping launch an internet petition campaign to tell our representatives to preserve the estate tax. addressed to your members of congress, the petition simply says, "preserve the estate tax on the very rich, and defend our country's proud legacy of charitable giving."

even the bush administration's own director of faith-based and community initiatives, john j. diiulio jr., says repeal could undercut private contributions to charities, religious and nonreligious alike, that help the poor.  "i don't want to be the skunk at the picnic," mr. diiulio said in an interview.  "but no, i don't think the estate tax should be eliminated -- modified, maybe, but not eliminated." (source ny times, feb 10)

we need your help now.  this repeal could literally extinguish the "thousand points of light."  nothing could be less compassionate.  speak out at:

   http://www.moveon.org/savecharity/index.html

a repeal of the estate tax would be a pure act of greed over charity.  we cannot let it happen.

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p.s. we have a real chance to win this fight.  the repeal is facing substantial opposition from other sectors.  prominent ultra-rich-guy warren buffet says, "repealing the estate tax would be a terrible mistake, the equivalent of choosing the 2020 olympic team by picking the eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000 olympics... without the estate tax, you in effect will have an aristocracy of wealth, which means you pass down the ability to command the resources of the nation based on heredity rather than merit."

the right-wing tactic of positioning the estate tax as a "death tax" on small family farms and businesses is beginning to wear thin.  in reality, just six of every 10,000 estates are family-owned businesses or farms; these groups pay less than 1% of all estate taxes.  in just a few years, the estate tax exemption for a married couple will rise to $2 million estates, and the law already contains many allowances for farms and small businesses.

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the petition that i passed on came to me from wand (womens action for new
directions). please sign and pass it on!

thanks,
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coming out of lurkdom to put my thoughts in the ring.

favorite song: so far i have 2 favorites that i skip to immediately.
i love laramie. i love the lyrics and the sound of the song. i commend amy
for writing a song about what happened in laramie. it's going to take so
much to change the way things are in the world. one place to start is
changing the laws etc.

although i have no clue as to what this song is about yet, but i like
lazyboy. what an absolute interesting line:"and a funny stare and your
beauty shop hair coming down." reminds me of friend of mine that is so high
maintenance with all her poofie products and there was this one time we
drove with the windows down on the freeway and she is hollering about her
windblown hair lol.

lyrics and liner notes: i agree with jason i believe it was jason who said
that due to the packaging these were left off. i was totally thinking the
same thing. i believe amy and emily are both eviromentally hip on stuff like
that. i am sure that is why all that cd insert stuff is not in stag. in this
day and age, info is going to be had no matter how or where you print it. i
wouldn't know half the stuff i know about the songs if it wasn't for the
internet and this email group.

liking amy's cd: some of you have posted that you like it and some have not
liked it. we have all for so long expected a certain sound from the indigo
girls. but stag is all amy. i have always thought of amy's songs being
filled with angst. very upfront and powerfully passionate about issues and
ideas. she is different obviously from how we are going to perceive "the
girls." i really like the cd. i think its interesting to see amy branch out
and do her own thing. being an artist is about self-expression. sometimes
you can be yourself and still collaborate with a partner. but sometimes you
need to just be you. and this cd is amy all the way. i am impressed with
what she did on her own. jeez i sound like i really know her or something.
but i guess listening to the music for over 10 years gives me a bit of a
right to voice my opinion. some of you i know have been fans since the days
they were first playing in atlanta.

anyway, that is how one girl sees it.!

take care,
paula


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again, just another guess, but perhaps they were trying to cut costs by not
having to include an entire booklet with each cd?  if, in the long run, not
including a booklet is going to save money for daemon and subsequently make
money for daemon, i'm fine with getting the lyrics off of the net.

jason

*****

i suppose this is possible, but it seems unlikely to me.  if "just starting
out" musicians can afford to put them in, it would seem that someone with
amy's resources could do it.   sure, we could download the lyrcs, but then
they arent easily kept with the cd.  it's when ii'm listening, usually on a
bus or something, that i want to refer to notes.  much easier to have them
be part of the cd itself, imho

amy p.

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ok, i was wrong.  this quote from one of the interviews that sherlyn
forwarded:

will the lyrics to the songs be inside the jacket of the cd?

no, because of the cost. but the lyrics will be available on the website
and listeners can send a letter requesting lyrics and we'll get them out
to them.


i still think that it's lame not to include them.  it's practically
standard, and asking a lot for someone to make the extra effort to get the
lyrics.  some of you may think that makes me lazy.  not true.  i am hearing
impaired and have come to expect lyrics, to rely upon them.  since they are
so commonly included in the vast majority of cd releases, i really have to
wonder how much more a 4 page insert with lyrics would have been to make the
decision to leave them out.  i certainly hope this doesnt start a trend in
ig recordings that the lyrics are left out. it just feels, to me,
disrespectful of the listener to not provide lyrics. (and to djs, too,
really, who may have to quickly scan lyrics for words that arent supposed to
be on radio.. not all of them have time to listen carefully to each song for
such language.)  mho of course.

amy p.

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according to the local news the indigo girls are going to be playing music
midtown in atlanta this year.   according to the website, the dates are may
4th-6th.  no specific info is listed as to when they are playing - but the
schedules will probably be up soon.

website:  http://www.musicmidtown.com

=)
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in a message dated 3/13/01 3:53:15 pm, jason writes:

>anybody wonder if any journalist will write a review without quoting the
>rolling stone line from lucystoners?  seems like the easy way out.  i wonder
>if, when amy wrote it, she knew it would be one of the focal points of
>the album.  also, 'twould be interesting if she written a completely
different
>line, and what might have happened then...
>
>jason
>

the answer is not many will write about it without mentioning that line. amy
ray is no fool and she had to know that. she had to know it when she wrote
the song and when she gave the speech and played the song at the convention
(rockgirl?) that she spoke at last month. she's trying to make social
commentary about the situation in the music biz and she found the perfect
personification in jann wenner.

why is it the easy way out that people who are writing about the album are
giving amy ray precious inches and space to talk about one of the most
pointed messages on the album? i can tell you when i asked her about it, she
didnt say oh, that's not the focus. she was careful to say wenner was the
symbol or the personification and that yeah, she was trying to say something
with that song.

also, while stag had been billed as punk, and while it is more electric and
more punk infused musically than amy ray's indigo girls stuff, it's not
exactly musically a punk album. but it is extremely punk in its sensibilities
and its themes. and there is nothing quite as in your face indicative as the
janny wenner line(and accessible to the average reader who might not
completely get the subversiveness of "i'm gonna miss being the boy. i'm gonna
miss being the man,' which when you think about it is an incredibly ballsy
and punk thing for a female singer to say). lucy stoners dont need boners is
also highly indicative, but then you have to give a couple line history
lesson about who lucy stone is. so the jann wenner line quickly shows amy ray
telling the music industry to efff off. which is really illustrative of how
the sensibilities of this record differ from her folk stuff. this record is
rebellious and punk .

as a journalist, i can tell you it made the stag article easier to pitch to
music sites. is that a pity? that such controversy (as much as it is
controversy) is needed to sell an article about a wonderful album by a
seasoned veteran performer who has been critically acclaimed and has
delivered increasingly excellent material for years.

well yeah. but if that werent the state of the music industry as we know it,
amy ray would not have had to write lucystoners in the first place.

do you think rolling stone would have reviewed the record in the first week
without that line? probably not.

and so it goes.

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hi there,
sorry, if this has been posted already, but daemonrecords has a new
intro/'trailer' thingy on their website promoting amy's album, pretty
nifty, check it out.

kt - who hasnt gotten her copy of stag yet either :(

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amy,

while i appreciate and understand your need for lyrics because of your
hearing impairment, it's not like they have made them unavailable.  i,
for one, respect their decision to keep the cost down, save a tree,
whatever your priorities are.  it takes a couple of clicks or a postage
stamp to get them, it's not a huge effort.  it also promotes some
traffic on the daemon website, which is a good thing for the label.
amy has said in interviews that her album is an outlet for her
non-indigo work, but she stresses also that it is meant to be a income
boost for the label so it can sign more bands in the near future.

the vast majority of cd's come with lyrics and pictures and extensive
liner notes because they are put out on major profit-oriented labels
that can jack up the cost of the cd a couple of bucks to cover it and
not worry about the album not being bought.  daemon is not-for-profit,
and gets by on what it can.  if asking me to print out the lyrics for
myself allows daemon a boost in income and allows them to create and
promote more music, it's a cause i'm willing and happy to support.

just my 2 cents,

jean


--- aj putnam <photomonk@earthlink.net> wrote:
> ok, i was wrong.  this quote from one of the interviews that sherlyn
> forwarded:
>
> will the lyrics to the songs be inside the jacket of the cd?
>
> no, because of the cost. but the lyrics will be available on the
> website
> and listeners can send a letter requesting lyrics and we'll get them
> out
> to them.
>
>
> i still think that it's lame not to include them.  it's practically
> standard, and asking a lot for someone to make the extra effort to
> get the
> lyrics.  some of you may think that makes me lazy.  not true.  i am
> hearing
> impaired and have come to expect lyrics, to rely upon them.  since
> they are
> so commonly included in the vast majority of cd releases, i really
> have to
> wonder how much more a 4 page insert with lyrics would have been to
> make the
> decision to leave them out.  i certainly hope this doesnt start a
> trend in
> ig recordings that the lyrics are left out. it just feels, to me,
> disrespectful of the listener to not provide lyrics. (and to djs,
> too,
> really, who may have to quickly scan lyrics for words that arent
> supposed to
> be on radio.. not all of them have time to listen carefully to each
> song for
> such language.)  mho of course.
>
> amy p.
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hey y'all...

thanks to the wonderful neil, i have uploaded and posted the two 7" promo stag tracks on my site.  so for those of you who missed them on the yahoo groups site, check my main download page.  i will leave them up for a week or two to make sure everyone gets a chance to listen.

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hey all,

i found this on the daemon wesbite, i thought i'd point it out because
i haven't seen it commented on yet, and it's just a great bit of amy
telling it how it was ;-)  (love the bit about her cat... i don't know
why i like hearing about people's relationships to their pets... i
guess it just says a lot about them). you can find it on the mp3 page
of the stag section at:

http://www.daemonrecords.com/beta/amy/mp3.html

"i started lucystoners on a lazy day hanging out under the kindness of
the sun. i have rotten cat named johnny who is the inspiration behind
most of my songs about bad boys. i started a little rhyme about
"rolling stones' most fearless leader" it really came out of nowhere
while i was scolding my cat for being a bully. my girlfriend was
laughing and we started playing around with what the antithesis would
be *bingo* lucy stone. lucy was an early feminist who kept her name
when she married. the song was meant to just be a set of nursery rhymes
about feminist and sexist but i couldn't really get anywhere with it.
it had been a long year of dealing with the overblown rock media
machine with most commercial radio stations becoming indistinguishable
from each other and maxim becoming the flag bearer of a new generation
of magazines. the boy's club of rock and roll has taken many forms in
my career so it was easy to find images to draw on. when emily reported
on an exceptionally rude interview experience with a morning show d.j.,
the last piece of my lyric puzzle was completed. the day i finished the
song, i called my lady and sung the whole thing on the phone. after
playing it for emily-who indulges me-and my manager, i realized it was
destined to be a solo song. i played lucystoners acoustically for
awhile but it didn't take on its real meaning until the butchies put
their mark on it. at some point i realized that i needed to change the
lyric "lucystoners don't like boners" to "lucystoners don't need
boners." it just made more sense considering lucy probably did like
boners, she just insisted on her own autonomy from them. there is an
really out of tune acoustic version on a compilation just released by
mr. lady records. ( mr. lady is the superpower punk
feminist/gayfriendly label out of durham , n.c. they have an amazing
roster of artist including the butchies, tami hart, sarah dougher, and
le tigre.) we recorded the song live in chris stamey's studio. the
butchies came up with the jumprope ending and they recorded it together
in the hallway of chris' house . i took the tracks back to atlanta and
finished the guitars and other stuff at glenn matullo's studio-orphan
studio. i mixed at david barbe's studio in athens, ga. when i went to
nashville to master, this was the first song we put up to work on.
after the punk environs of the mixing studio i was a little anxious
when the chorus came on loud and clear, but i told my mastering guy not
to take it personally and he was cool
thanks for listening. xoxo a.r."

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amy,

while i appreciate and understand your need for lyrics because of your
hearing impairment, it's not like they have made them unavailable.  i,
for one, respect their decision to keep the cost down, save a tree,
whatever your priorities are.  it takes a couple of clicks or a postage
stamp to get them, it's not a huge effort.  it also promotes some
traffic on the daemon website, which is a good thing for the label.

****

it *isnt* that simple for some people.  there are still lots of folks wh
oarent on line.  and i just looked at stag... there is nothing on it that
says "here's how to get lyrics".  it's not neccessarily intuitive that you
can just send to the label and get them ( knowing that many people just dont
think tha much about it.. obviously there would be some people who would do
this on their own.)

***
the vast majority of cd's come with lyrics and pictures and extensive
liner notes because they are put out on major profit-oriented labels
that can jack up the cost of the cd a couple of bucks to cover it and
not worry about the album not being bought.  daemon is not-for-profit,
and gets by on what it can.  if asking me to print out the lyrics for
myself allows daemon a boost in income and allows them to create and
promote more music, it's a cause i'm willing and happy to support.


*****

i have a large number of indie cds in my collecton, primarily of folk
artists, that have lyrics.  they do not have the benefit of big money behind
them.  other daemon releases have also included lyrics.  i dont have all of
them, so i dont know how often this is actually the case.  i have never
myself heard another instance where the cd price was so affected by lyric
inclusion that it became too expensive,though i alos do not presume to know
all. i paid the same amount for stag that i have paid for many.. it isnt
significantly cheaper (and by this i mean a buck or two).  since the overall
cost to make a cd is something like $2 per disc i really do have to wonder
about this decision.  true, i dont know all of the details.  but i've been
involved with indie artists  making cds and the lyrics inclusion hasnt come
up as a cost prohibitive factor.

clearly amy had her reasons to not include lyrics, but my own position is
that it was not the best decision. not that my thoughts matter in the
overall scheme of things.

amy p.

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thanks, brian and neil!

i definitely like the studio version of careless youth better than the live
mp3 i got off napster. much spookier.

~robbin

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spent my last $10 on birth control and beer...
i am listening to ..women like us...

any way...i love this song..would love to see amy and emily do it live just to watch their eyes ....sparks

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date:         wed, 14 mar 2001 20:17:38 +0000
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that's the one by a band called 2 nice girls, isn't it?  if so, i heard it years
ago and thought it was brilliant.

fare thee well,
marion (aka mollyig)


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spent my last $10 on birth control and beer...
i am listening to ..women like us...

any way...i love this song..would love to see amy and emily do it live just to
watch their eyes ....sparks

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yes, that's it...thanks...

>>> <marion_o'sullivan@health.irlgov.ie> 03/14/01 01:17pm >>>


that's the one by a band called 2 nice girls, isn't it?  if so, i heard it years
ago and thought it was brilliant.

fare thee well,
marion (aka mollyig)


loralei riney <loralei.riney@bannerhealth.com> on 14/03/2001 08:15:15 pm

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spent my last $10 on birth control and beer...
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any way...i love this song..would love to see amy and emily do it live just to
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i thought some of you might be interested in this.... =20

***stag album release party!!!***
we want you!=a0 we are looking for you to throw a local album release party=20=
in
honor of stag and help dug raise some money for the touring artist fund.=a0=20=
we
have some party favors to send you and a whole party pack just waiting so
sign up today!=a0 all you have to do is invite and host a group of your
friends over - (you can make it as big or small as you wish - you control
the guest list). if you are interested in throwing a party or want to know
if there is a party in your area e-mail us here:
flyerqueen@daemonunderground.com  with the subject: stag party
**there will be an awesome prize given to the host who raises the most funds
for this event! **
(the official stag album release party is march 29th, but you can choose any
date you wish.)

to learn more information about dug, or the touring artist fund - go here:
http://www.daemonunderground.com/planetdug/
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<br>we want you!=a0 we are looking for you to throw a local album release pa=
rty in
<br>honor of stag and help dug raise some money for the touring artist fund.=
=a0 we
<br>have some party favors to send you and a whole party pack just waiting s=
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<br>sign up today!=a0 all you have to do is invite and host a group of your
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<br>the guest list). if you are interested in throwing a party or want to kn=
ow
<br>if there is a party in your area e-mail us here:
<br>flyerqueen@daemonunderground.com  with the subject: stag party
<br>**there will be an awesome prize given to the host who raises the most f=
unds
<br>for this event! **
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any
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yes!  about 5 years ago, my japanese professor made me a mix with "i spent my
last $10" on it.  i love that song!  ever since, i have hunted down all of 2
nice girls' albums.  great band.  too bad they're not together anymore
(though gretchen philips is doing some solo work).

:-) karen

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yeah, it's one of my boyfriend's favorite songs. i believe it's also on a cd called lesbian favorites, though i might be wrong.
-laura

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hi all,
i bid (unsuccessfully, three times) on one of the new ig 7" on ebay. it's
about to go in 6 hours. just thought some of you who have more $$ than me
might wanna know!
susan

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