lifeblood: listlogs: 2001-04a


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date:         sun, 1 apr 2001 08:07:42 -0400
reply-to:     "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
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subject:      free amy ray live cd!!
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from the indieinfo website:

1 april 2001

indigo girl gives away free live cd

always one for innovation and giving something extra to devoted fans, amy
ray (one half of those super sweet folkies indigo girls) has an offer for
fans that sounds almost too good to be true: the first thousand people to
call a special phone number today (1-888-bestbuy (1-800-468-2223)) will
recieve a full-length live cd of one of the shows with over an hour of music
from her solo album "stag" as well as covers of great songs like "duncan"
and indigo girls classic "blood and fire".
so long, that is, as the first thing they say to the operator is the phrase
that pays: "amy ray's gonna make my day with a free cd and nothing to pay!"

"it was my manager's idea" says amy, speaking just before her hometown show
last week in atlanta, ga, "first we [the indigo girls] gave a free cd when
people bought 'retrospective' at borders, then a different free cd when they
bought it at tower. offering a free cd just for calling a number seemed like
a natural progression".

"we always like to give a little something back to the real fans", amy
explained, "and what better way to do that than a first-come-first-served
contest?" but we at indieinfo wondered whether best buy might not be such a
great partner for this usually indie-oriented babe. "large corporations have
to make a buck too - we used independant stores when we gave a 7" free with
copies of stag so it's only fair the big guys also get a shot of love."

but wait, there's even more! dont' be surprised if the person answering
sounds familiar - amy herself will be manning the phones, chatting with the
fans and offering even more prizes: "as i said, this is a great way to find
out who the real fans are, and for the 20 lucky people i talk to i'm going
to go to their home and play a private concert for their family and friends.
it's just my way of giving back to all the people who've supported me over
the years."

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date:         sun, 1 apr 2001 08:55:07 edt
reply-to:     guinione@aol.com
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subject:      best buy live cd
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ok - my guess is april fools !!

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date:         sun, 1 apr 2001 09:55:29 -0400
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  ---ok - my guess is april fools !!=20
yup - one of the numbers is a sex line, and the other one is best buys =
customer service line, aka voice mail hell.  don't forget to turn your =
clocks back!

elaine

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date:         sun, 1 apr 2001 13:05:58 edt
reply-to:     btfenton@aol.com
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i can't remember if this has already been posted! sorry if it's a duplicate.=
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enjoy, brenda

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amy ray does it her way
the brunette indigo shows her punk roots.
by brooke shelby biggs=20

back in november 1999, amy ray told girlfriends she would be working on a=20
solo punk album in 2000 to be recorded on her 11-year-old georgia-based indi=
e=20
label, daemon records. it didn't help my nerves that ray was also talking=20
about her new girlfriend and how she was considering settling down and=20
starting a family. of course, i was thinking: "oh no, it's the lesbian=20
equivalent of yoko and john. god save the indigo girls."=20

i needn't have worried. ray's solo album is out, the indigo girls are workin=
g=20
on an acoustic album to be recorded this summer, and ray is still baby-free.=
=20
(she's also still with girlfriend jennifer baumgardner, a 30-year-old new=20
yorker who coauthored the recent overview of third-wave feminism,=20
manifesta.sorry, girls.)=20

the new album, stag,is a very lesbian record--from the cover art of a=20
butch/femme couple dancing, to the lyrics within. but the most interesting=20
thing is the richness of the material, drawn from a tangle of genres: folk,=20
rockabilly, punk, and riot grrl righteousness. guest musicians include the=20
butchies, luscious jackson, some of daemon's own bands (rock*a*teens and mrs=
.=20
fun), and punk legend joan jett.=20

if you're expecting stagto be a 10-song marathon of the angry thrash that wa=
s=20
"compromise"--a song ray wrote for indigo's last studio album, come on now=20
social--you'll be disappointed or pleasantly surprised, depending on your=20
taste. the album is radical more for how it was made than how it sounds.=20

at its center, stagis about values and politics, as is just about everything=
=20
ray does or says. and the freedom of going solo and working beneath the=20
corporate radar seems to have calmed and focused this part-time indigo.=20

i won't say 'so much for that; what do you do when it's done?' 'cause i know=
=20
we grow when it's over.=20

how was it for the 36-year-old ray to write and record without using her=20
indigo girls partner emily saliers as a sounding board and collaborator, as=20
she has for 20 years?=20

"it was strange. i did try to keep it separate, but she would always ask how=
=20
it was going, which was cool. and i'd tell her, 'i'm having trouble with thi=
s=20
one thing,' and she would be supportive and sympathetic, but she didn't get=20
involved in the specifics."=20

saliers recently told ray she loves stagand has been playing it constantly.=20=
i=20
can hear in ray's voice the pleasure that idea gives her, and the mutual=20
admiration that makes these two work together so well. ray likens it to the=20
early days of the indigo girls when they would record their own songs on=20
cassettes and trade them. "we'd wear out each other's demos."=20

says saliers, "i love it. it's very raw and honest and emotional. i keep=20
skipping around to a new favorite song. they stick in your head. right now,=20
i've got 'late bloom' in my head." "late bloom," evocative of early nineties=
=20
seattle grunge, isn't exactly an "emily" song.=20

"amy has really turned a corner in her songwriting on this album, but also o=
n=20
songs [from the last indigo girls' album] like 'gone again,' and even 'go.'=20
those songs are really well constructed," said saliers. "i'm really proud of=
=20
her."=20

ray says writing for her solo album was a new experience. "when i would be=20
writing for an indigo girls album, i would be thinking about leaving space=20
for harmonies or counter melodies, for emily to come up with a riff, things=20
like that. but there is a self-consciousness about the way i write for the=20
indigo girls, that i can't put my finger on, that dilutes the intimacy. i=20
need to be less self-conscious."=20

going solo has helped. although collaborating with saliers is enjoyable,=20
challenging, and productive, ray says the relationship creates undeniable=20
tensions--who's playing or singing lead on a given tune, for example.=20
"writing for this album, i could be less like a dog on a chain. i didn't hav=
e=20
to protect my territory."=20

the final product shows the differences in relief: amy's voice and guitar ar=
e=20
so prevalent, you hardly notice--outside the obvious stylistic=20
influences--that anyone else of note is even on the album. "unlike with=20
emily, the harmonies on this album are really just harmonies. i mean, it's=20
strictly background."=20

and sometimes that's exactly what ray needs. the punk rhythms stitched=20
together by experienced punk babes like the butchies' kaia wilson and=20
luscious jackson's kate schellenbach are precisely what amy's shrieks need t=
o=20
give them context. who hasn't gone to an ig concert, seen emily walk offstag=
e=20
to let amy cut loose, and wondered, "where did thatcome from?" ray is=20
obviously in her element free from the narrow confines of the indigo=20
identity, and it's a relief to hear.=20

stagsounds unfinished, like a demo, or one of those session tapes that=20
established artists put out to buy time between studio albums. but in ray's=20
case, that feel is exactly the point. the unfinished edges are part and=20
parcel of the underground charm of indie music. case in point: as soon as th=
e=20
indigo girls were signed and started producing their albums in=20
state-of-the-art studios, critics were on them like vultures for selling out=
.=20
in the punk world, if even one yuppie has heard of you, you lose your street=
=20
cred.=20

the album works in part because ray tried to preserve the raw, organic sound=
=20
she and her collaborators achieved in the chilly basement studios where they=
=20
put down the tracks. that was easy enough, since she was quickly running out=
=20
of time and the $10,000 she'd allocated for the project.=20

"i put limits on myself financially, because it's just not fair to spend fiv=
e=20
times more on my record than we do for the other artists," she says. daemon=20
has put out albums for a raft of southeastern bands, including lesbirock=20
icons like the ellen james society (with amy's ex, cooper seay) and michelle=
=20
malone. amy herself was born and raised outside of atlanta and currently=20
lives on a ranch in the country on the outskirts of nearby athens, georgia.=20

ray says the production of staghas taught her something about running an=20
indie label. for once, she could see the process from the other side: as the=
=20
musician instead of the ceo.=20

the time and financial limitations also helped ray resist her tendency towar=
d=20
perfectionism. still, she admits, she sometimes "fell back on an obsessive=20
need to overthink a mix, or i mistakenly rerecorded songs. but the music tha=
t=20
i kept coming back to was the music that came out unlabored and spontaneous=20
and organically rebellious."=20

lucy stoners don't need boners, ain't no man could ever own her; with the=20
boys she had the nerve to give the girls what they deserve.--"lucystoners"=20
from stag=20

there isplenty of identifiable, clash-evoking punk rock on stag,but there ar=
e=20
also some of the most sensitive and gentle melodies, arrangements, and lyric=
s=20
ray has ever recorded. "lazyboy," for example, could have been a simon and=20
garfunkel song, with its whispered vocals and spare, single guitar. this is=20
punk?=20

"punk is as much an approach or philosophy as a musical style," ray says.=20
"punk is a grass-roots movement; recording an album on an indie label for=20
less than $10,000 is an implicitly political statement."=20

whether staggets high-profile press or succeeds commercially doesn't concern=
=20
ray much, although the better it sells the more profit she can reinvest in=20
daemon, a not-for-profit business. she says she already considers the album=20=
a=20
personal success, simply because she finally did it.=20

the album's birthing process not only gave ray the freedom to explore some o=
f=20
her own creativity which doesn't get airtime with the indigo girls, but also=
=20
forced her to do some personal soul searching. "the songs on stagdeal frankl=
y=20
with my confrontations with the oppressive elements of the music industry, m=
y=20
frustrations with imposed standards of gender all around us, and the=20
shortcomings i see in myself."=20

as far as shortcomings go, ray has always been frank about her musical=20
ability. she once told a music industry magazine that when she and saliers=20
were playing coffeehouses in the early eighties, emily would work on=20
ever-more sophisticated chord changes and fingering, while she was practicin=
g=20
the same three chords. recently, ray has been pushing herself beyond her own=
=20
perceived limitations.=20

"on this album, i wrote all the harmonies and i played lead guitar--things i=
=20
didn't know or maybe didn't believei could do before," she said.=20

but the album's lyrics also have to do with other personal shortcomings ray=20
was feeling. "you know, the songs 'hey castrator' and 'black heart=20
today'--they're about that solitude and doom that are important to me=20
somehow."=20

"hey castrator" is bound to be misinterpreted as a man-hating dyke anthem.=20
but it's really about ray's struggles with her inner guy.=20

"i can sometimes identify with things our society sees as stereotypically=20
male, the male part of myself," ray said. "you know, when i would catch=20
myself objectifying my girlfriend or leering at women on the street. i was=20
offended by myself for relating to that kind of energy." that inner struggle=
,=20
she says, is expressed in the song's haunting refrain: "hey, castrator, take=
=20
this strong out of me." (strongrefers to aggressive or exploitative male=20
energy.)=20

still, there is a gut kinship ray feels with her inner--and, let's face it,=20
outer-- masculinity. as she says in "mountains of glory," "i'm gonna miss=20
being the boy, i'm gonna miss being the man." she adds with humor, "of=20
course, a small amount of objectification never hurt anyone. we all want to=20
be objectified a little."=20

while conceiving stag,ray says she was frustrated by the sudden collapse of=20
the riot grrl movement of a decade ago. bikini kill, luscious jackson, the=20
breeders, team dresch: they had all broken up and most had fallen off the=20
radar. not only was ray feeling alienated from her masculine side, she was=20
hungry for a woman-friendly arena she could funnel some creative expression=20
into.=20

"i was feeling like i wanted that riot grrl sensibility back, and wondering=20
where it had gone, that punk, tough, female energy. that energy that was=20
tough, but not exploitative," she says.=20

to capture on tape the sound and sensibility she heard in her head, ray drov=
e=20
around the southeast with a guitar and amp in her trunk, hooking up with the=
=20
famous and not-so-famous progenitors of the riot grrl movement in dingy,=20
brick basements. a raw, powerful female sensibility informs the finished=20
product, one that resonates with sexuality.=20

janny wenner, janny wenner, rolling stone's most fearless leader; gave the=20
boys what they deserved, but with the girls he lost his nerve . . . . testin=
g=20
1, 2, 3, in the marketplace, it's just a demographic-based disgrace, and a=20
stupid, secret whiteboy handshake that we=b9ll never be part of.
--"lucystoners"=20

the most rebellious moment on stag is the raucous "lucystoners," in which ra=
y=20
vents her frustrations with the corporate music industry. the lyrics=20
castigate rolling stoneeditor jann wenner--who, it's worth noting, is=20
gay--for his complicity in the music industry's institutionalization of=20
sexism and homophobia.=20

the title "lucystoners" comes from lucy stoner:a woman who doesn't take her=20
husband's name, from the 19th-century feminist lucy stone, the first woman t=
o=20
keep her maiden name after marriage. back in the bikini kill era of riot grr=
l=20
punk, there was a band named the lucy stoners.=20

last year, before stagwas recorded, ray and saliers expressed the same=20
anti-wenner sentiment in my interview with them for this magazine. but epic=20
asked that ray's opinion that wenner is "sexist and homophobic" be stricken=20
from the interview. aren't they nervous about this song?=20

ray might not admit it, but she enjoys throwing down the political gauntlet,=
=20
particularly when it comes to the industry. she says she recently played=20
"lucystoners" for saliers and their publicist at epic. "they smiled and=20
laughed a little nervously and said they loved the song. then they never sai=
d=20
anything about it again. i thought to myself, 'the song sucks, they hate it.=
'=20
but after a while they started joking about it."=20

saliers says she had no reservations about the song when she heard it, and n=
o=20
love is lost between her and the magazine. "it's aimed at teenage boys,=20
certainly not me," she says. "women have it hard. there aren't any=20
alternative women in their magazine. the only women they profile play up=20
their sexuality and conform to traditional gender roles."=20

and if wenner is provoked, so much the better. "any press is good press,"=20
saliers laughs.=20

of course, rolling stoneand wenner are just flashy symbols of a music=20
industry both ray and saliers are simply fed up with. ray admits that=20
straddling that line between indie and big-label music is an ongoing inner=20
struggle for her. on the one hand, major labels "have this incredible=20
infrastructure that can't be matched" in the indie world. but she chafes at=20
the homogenization of mainstream music and vacuousness of labels' efforts to=
=20
market artists.=20

"just because you work for [the major labels] doesn't mean you can't=20
criticize them," ray reasons. "i mean, that's what unions are." she says=20
she'd love to see the big artists at major labels unionize, as session=20
musicians already have, to put some of the soul back into the industry. but=20
she won't hold her breath.=20

and all that faggot-bashing poetry but the boys are just saying 'love me,=20
please.'
--"lucystoners"=20

i'm still on the phone with ray when over in the living room i catch the=20
flickering of mtv, which is showing for the umpteenth time this week a=20
fictionalized movie about matthew shepard's murder. mtv has been on=20
self-imposed probation all week in response to the outcry over its=20
willingness to promote the women-hating, gay-bashing artist eminem. i ask ra=
y=20
for her thoughts on the white rapper and the critics who would censor him.=20
she quickly channels her dislike for the man onto the corporate structure=20
that makes such a phenomenon possible.=20

"i don't think he should be censored, but i think he's a pig," she says. "bu=
t=20
it's pointless to argue what mtv thinks it should or shouldn't do. it is jus=
t=20
responding to what it perceives to be what the public wants to see. anything=
=20
they have ever done that might have been groundbreaking they only did becaus=
e=20
they thought it was a trend they could make money on."=20

ray makes it clear that after the indigo girls' next two albums are done and=
=20
their commitment to epic is satisfied, they'll be seriously considering goin=
g=20
to an indie label themselves, although probably not daemon, because of ray's=
=20
closeness to the label. ray has mentioned similar women-run, queer-centric=20
labels such as kill rock stars as possibilities, but holds out the=20
possibility that some new label may come along that would be a perfect fit.=20

in the meantime, she looks to the artists who have advanced the cause of=20
indie music while taking advantage of corporate largesse. "i give rage=20
against the machine heat," she says, because they preached an anticorporate,=
=20
anticommercial message while promoting themselves on mtv and other commercia=
l=20
outlets. "but we're always hardest on those who are trying to do the most=20
good."=20

ray is careful to distinguish message from method. it isn't enough, she says=
,=20
to talk about revolution; you have to put your mouth where your money is. sh=
e=20
points to fugazi as a role model. that band refused to sign with a major=20
label and puts on all-ages shows where tickets are never more than five buck=
s=20
a pop. "they really set the standard."=20


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date:         sun, 1 apr 2001 14:39:43 -0400
reply-to:     jen lucero <jlucero@mail.monmouth.com>
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hi folks,

the folks over at listspace.org are undergoing growing changes and are
moving to a larger server.

therefore, the address you send list mail to will be changing.  please make
a note of the following addy changes

the new addy is

indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org

the old addy will continue until april 15 - after that time, any posts sent
to the previous addy will not go through.

you do not have to resubscribe or change anything else...just send your
posts to the new addy above.

email me if you have questions.

jen lucero
ig list owner

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date:         sun, 1 apr 2001 14:41:32 -0400
reply-to:     jen lucero <jlucero@mail.monmouth.com>
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subject:      re: amy ray giveaway at bestbuy
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hi folks,

just letting you all know (if you didn't find out on your own) that the
offer is a hoax.

jen

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date:         sun, 1 apr 2001 16:35:12 edt
reply-to:     accoats@aol.com
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hkfs! did anyone happen to boot the echo lounge show?   thanks-- ashley

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date:         mon, 2 apr 2001 07:49:04 +0900
reply-to:     karen in japan <japantraveler@hotmail.com>
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hey all,

i will be in japan for the next three weeks and i won't be checking aol.  i
changed my subscription from indigokare@aol.com to this address,
japantraveler@hotmail.com for a few weeks because i want to be updated about
new tour dates.

if anyone needs to contact me, please use this address.

thanks,
karen :-)

ps- i will be attending graduate school next fall at the university of
illinois at urbana/champaign for east asian languages!  that means i'll be
able to attend a lot of midwest shows again!  yee haw!
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happy birthday to the following listees!!!!!!!!

april 6
heidid4660@aol.com (heidi)
"a key to a room of your own and a mind without end..."

april 8, ('77)
spinsker@goucher.edu (sarah pinsker)

special request (from patricia mckeough <campgurl@yahoo.com>)
april 8
lesley "didge" ruthven (littlecanoegirl@hotmail.com)
"we're standing at opposite poles, equal partners in a mystery."


have a fabulous day! :)

love and devotion,
audra
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so my best friend chris made a trip to atl yesterday and he stopped by the
flying biscut for breakfast.  he called later to tell me he had gotten me
something and wanted to read it to me.  he read, " ash,  i was here....where
were you? --em"  emily was there that morning and he got a business card with
the previous message for me! how cool was that?!?!? it just totally topped
off my week considering that sarah and i stood with emily for the duration of
the show at echo lounge.  i have met her many many times....and i swear that
she is the sweetest person ever.  have an indigo day! take care-- ashley

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hey guys! listen...my friend's new found love is allison of the butchies-- if
anyone has a poster or something or knows of where i could score one it'd
totally make her millineum.  if you have something that you are willing to
trade....i have tons to offer.  any 411 would be fabulous.  thanks!!  --ashley

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just to let you know that "for the love of rock", the documentary that
featured an interview with amy ray and lots of footage of the ig live and
videos, was fab!

melissa ferrick was a major feature and although i've heard her name a lot
on this list, i'd never seen or heard her before.  she was so amazing.  both
me and my gf fell in love with her.  if anyone can recommend a cd of hers or
any information, please can you e-mail me privately.

thanks

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just saw ani difranco in ottawa last night.
it was incredible.
the opening singer, hamell on trial, is something to be experienced as
well.
don't miss them on their current tour.

simon

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sort of ontopic, but does anyone know how the general admission at the
sun theater works? according to the seating chart, general admission is
split into tiers... does that mean that if you have a g100 (first
section) ticket, you are only allowed in that section? or is it more of
a standard general admission where anyone can go anywhere?

just looking for some clarification! :)

thanks!
amy

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if you want saratoga tickets, go online now at ticketmaster.com.
evidently, there's a presale going on. enter the callletters kfog to
purchase tickets. i just got 3rd and 2nd row for the two shows, so
there's tons of great seats available.

i'm a little irritated that these shows are going on sale long before
even being announced at the indigo girls sites. it's like you have to
watch ticketmaster every day just to have a chance at great seats, and
it's not guaranteed the good fans are getting the good seats. *shrug*

don't mind me. it's monday and i'm feeling pissy. :)

anyhow... just wanted to share!
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i don't know if anyone's tried calling this number or whatnot,
but when i called, they said they had never heard of this offer.

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on mon, 2 apr 2001, kirsten l. m. jorgenson wrote:

> i don't know if anyone's tried calling this number or whatnot,
> but when i called, they said they had never heard of this offer.

   look at the date of the message, that'll probably give you a clue.  :)

   darius

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reading amy's email reminded me how frustrating the ig official site can be!  i hate being a tm vulture!  is there someone we could contact? if we did it as 'the list' maybe we'd get a better response?  in contrast to the ig web site, the ben harper site is up-to-the millisecond...let's rally for real news!

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a little bit of pride, here....

my buddy gavin (whom i work with), is the mastermind of the bh site.   gavin
is the best.

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> reading amy's email reminded me how frustrating the ig official site can
be!  i hate being a tm vulture!  is there someone we could contact? if we
did it as 'the list' maybe we'd get a better response?  in contrast to the
ig web site, the ben harper site is up-to-the millisecond...let's rally for
real news!
>
> brenda (also monday-ish)
>
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the first level (right in front of the stage) is general admission. it's
standing room only. i don't know how many people they're going to cram in
there. the second tier is reserved seats for dinner. i'm on the next tier,
which is nondinner reserved seats. you sit at tables that are perpendicular
to the stage. the web site has a seating chart and virtual tour that helps
visualize the setting. http://www.sun-theatre.com

doors open at 6. show starts at 8.

april
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> sort of ontopic, but does anyone know how the general admission at the
> sun theater works? according to the seating chart, general admission is
> split into tiers... does that mean that if you have a g100 (first
> section) ticket, you are only allowed in that section? or is it more of
> a standard general admission where anyone can go anywhere?
>
> just looking for some clarification! :)
>
> thanks!
> amy
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okay, does anyone know anything about how the metro in chicago is set up?
is it all one floor, general admission or...?
thanks for any help.
--sarah

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> i can't help but wonder in the back of my mind if dr. laura's stance on
> homosexual relationships was any reason to boycott her.  they were her
> opinions.  i haven't seen or read about her telling someone directly that
> homosexuality is "wrong" (actually using the word "wrong").

she has every right to her opinions. what was boycotted was paramount's
decision to offer her a national platform to express those opinions which
only hurt the queer community.

> she
> believes it
> is a biological error, which from a purely scientific standpoint
> is logical.

no it isn't. you have to look at who sets the "norms". in a queer world, the
straight gene would be considered abnormal. this isn't about any science. it
is about the subjectivity of the scientist who extrapolates the data.

> any society devoting a significant percentage of its population to
> homosexual lifestyles will grow at a slower rate than one that
> devotes 100%
> of its population to heterosexual lifestyles.  this isn't always
> a bad thing
> (and surely isn't a bad thing in modern society as the earth's
> population is
> already past the levels of long term sustinance), but from a
> simple biologic
> standpoint it could be disasterous to an emerging species, for example.

we already have a significant percentage of the population devoted to the
"homosexual lifestyle" who even go out and do their part to overpopulate the
planet. and surprise! the sky isn't falling. there are still lots (too
many?) of babies born every day. homosexual behavior exists across just
about every species you could think of and the only reason alot of them are
endangered is because of their decimation by our species. that is the
biggest worry for any emerging species.
>
> i spend a fair portion of my time interating with gays and lesbians.  we
> spend time together socially, hang out and go to performances,
> etc.  i have
> several lesbian friends and i've listened to some of their points
> about dr.
> laura from time to time.  from all i've heard i still can't understand why
> she's been under such fire from glaad and other organizations.  all of my
> friends agree that these are just her opinions.

it is about her inability to take responsibility for the harm she causes by
those opinions. she has many many followers and considering her demographic,
it wouldn't take much from "dr."
laura saying "queers are badevilbiologicalerrors" to having some crackpot
decide he'd get rid of a few badevilbiologicalerrors for the betterment of
society. i'm not saying it has happened. i'm saying it could.
>
> has she come right out and said "homosexuality is wrong"?  has she said
> specifically that the heterosexual community should boycott
> gay/lesbians or
> their right to enjoy all the freedoms we do?

yes, on numerous occasions she has said homosexuality is wrong. she has also
stated that children should be taken from the homes of queer parents and put
into the foster system. she has said we are biological errors which in my
book means she thinks it is wrong to be gay. i wish the stopdrlaura site was
still up so i could send you to a page that has it all nicely typed out
where she says homosexuality is wrong in some fashion or another.

she has also stated she bases this assumption on her religious beliefs and
not any psychological theory. probably because the apa and ama and nasw and
any other number of professional organizations declassified it decades ago.

>
> i would be very surprised to learn that she has.
>
> >garry added. "and we've sent a strong message that we are
> >no longer an easy target for prejudice.
>
> just because someone holds a different viewpoint it does not automatically
> equate to them being prejudiced.

when someone tries to infringe upon our rights to pursuit of happiness or
tries to break up our families or incites violence, that is prejudice and
"dr" laura is guilty on all counts.
>
> >glaad hopes the
> >cancellation of 'dr. laura' will make media corporations think
> >twice about giving a platform to someone who promotes
> >derision and exclusion.
>
> "derision and exclusion"?  i have never heard dr. laura suggest
> that anyone
> involved in a gay/lesbian lifestyle be denied anything.  she's only stated
> that *she* believes it is wrong.

just denied the right to raise their kids. denied the right to have their
relationship recognized by the government or church for that matter...

she can believe what she wants to believe but to pass it off as sound
psychological advise is highly unethical.

> >such decisions will never go unchallenged."
>
> :(  i will defend to my death your right to say such things.  in that same
> breath i've got news for the homosexual community.  finding
> across-the-board
> tolerance from the heterosexual community is not very difficult.  but
> finding across-the-board acceptance from the heterosexual community is
> extremely difficult.  when pressed, most heterosexual people will state
> categorically that they personally believe homosexuality is wrong.  while
> they tolerate it, because they subscribe to the ideals of individual
> liberties and freedoms, it's not something they themselves would ever get
> involved in because at their core they feel it is wrong.
> likewsie, members
> of the homosexual community feel the same way in the reverse.

i think you meant to say is "finding across-the-board tolerance from the
homosexual community is not very difficult.  but
> finding across-the-board acceptance from the heterosexual community is
extremely difficult. please feel free to correct me if i am wrong because
that paragraph was very unclear. regardless, the reason heterosexuals
probably won't "try" homosexuality (sounds like we can go out and "try" on a
pair of shoes) is because they are not gay. and if so many heterosexuals
back the ideals of liberties and freedoms, why was the defense of marriage
passed, not just on a national level but on many many state levels as well?
why did so many vermont legislators lose their seats this last election if
the subscribe to the ideas of personal liberties and freedoms? why are
children yanked out of loving homes and thrown into a broken system because
their parents are gay if most heterosexuals believe in the idea of liberties
and freedoms?

personally, i don't think it is wrong that people are whatever sexuality
they are. i certainly do think it is wrong to take away their status as a
full citizen of this country with equal protections and rights because of
that sexuality.

ryan

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not sure if anyone has mentioned this...
there's an article about amy ray and her solo album in the washington blade
mag....

you can link to the article from the main page:
http://www.washblade.com/

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> > she believes it is a biological error, which from a purely scientific
> > standpoint is logical.
> no it isn't. you have to look at who sets the "norms".

the "norms" are quantifiable.  they define the natural requirements of a
species' continued existence on this planet.  homosexuality is a significant
detractor from that goal and is therefore undesirable from that biological
standpoint.

> it is about her inability to take responsibility for the harm she causes
by
> those opinions.

you seem very offended by what i said.  that wasn't my intent.  i really
tried to keep an even keel in my wording.  i realize this is a touchy
subject to many people.

but i feel obligated to tell you that they are just her opinions.  if you
don't agree with them then turn the station, don't buy the products from the
manufacturers supporting her, or boycott her in an outright display!  but do
it for your own personal reasons, not because some group tells you to do it.

many of my gay friends enjoyed dr. laura.  i personally hated her.  she came
across as whiny and her verbal timing and the show's general rhythm really
bothered me.  so i didn't watch her show.  from time to time i would come
across it and watch it for a few moments, but overall i just didn't like her
or her show.

i will tell you one thing i admired about her.  she was willing to go center
stage in front of a national audience and hold fast to her personal ideals.
she didn't care whether i disagreed with them or not.  she was telling
people what she thought was correct.

if more people listened to and followed their own compass ... this society
might be a better place.

> yes, on numerous occasions she has said homosexuality is wrong. she has
also
> stated that children should be taken from the homes of queer parents and
put
> into the foster system.

can you provide some reference to this?  a url, magazine article, newspaper
article, etc?

> i think you meant to say is "finding across-the-board tolerance from the
> homosexual community is not very difficult.  but finding across-the-board
> acceptance from the heterosexual community is extremely difficult.

nope.  i said finding across-the-board *tolerance* from the heterosexual
community is not very difficult.  finding across the board *acceptance* from
the heterosexual community is extremely difficult.

> personally, i don't think it is wrong that people are whatever sexuality
> they are. i certainly do think it is wrong to take away their status as a
> full citizen of this country with equal protections and rights because of
> that sexuality.

i could not agree more.

- rick c. hodgin

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>>just saw ani difranco in ottawa last night.
it was incredible.
the opening singer, hamell on trial, is something to be experienced as
well.
don't miss them on their current tour.>>

oh wow, you saw hamell?  scary, ain't he?  :-)

i saw him open a few dates for moxy fruvous.  it's hard to describe him.  he kinda looks like uncle fester and spends most of his time hard-picking his guitar so it sounds more like a drum.  i tried to play like him once, and i broke my low e string.  not an easy feat.  :-)  he covers songs like "folsom prison blues" and talks through most of his songs.  i wouldn't guess that most ig fans would like him, but hey, he's entertaining, and told a few dirty jokes that i still tell at parties.

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at 04:01 pm 4/2/2001 -0500, rick c. hodgin wrote:
> > > she believes it is a biological error, which from a purely scientific
> > > standpoint is logical.
> > no it isn't. you have to look at who sets the "norms".
>
>the "norms" are quantifiable.  they define the natural requirements of a
>species' continued existence on this planet.  homosexuality is a significant
>detractor from that goal and is therefore undesirable from that biological
>standpoint.

if you want to talk purely in terms of our continued existence on the
planet, homosexuality is actually a positive trait, in species who
have become overpopulated. it's a known trait in many species
that they will turn to homosexuality in times of overpopulation so
they won't run out of food. humans are not the only animals who
exhibit homosexual behavior, not by a long shot. if it has any root
in biology, it's a desirous trait, not an error.

you can cast this sort of stuff in any light you choose - sexual
reproduction itself was a mutation, as was the y chromosome.


>many of my gay friends enjoyed dr. laura.  i personally hated her.  she came
>across as whiny and her verbal timing and the show's general rhythm really
>bothered me.  so i didn't watch her show.  from time to time i would come
>across it and watch it for a few moments, but overall i just didn't like her
>or her show.
>
>i will tell you one thing i admired about her.  she was willing to go center
>stage in front of a national audience and hold fast to her personal ideals.
>she didn't care whether i disagreed with them or not.  she was telling
>people what she thought was correct.

i can't admire dr. laura, because i think that the only thing she cares about
is ratings, not morals. i think that her whole shtick is basically an act.
people
people love to hear other people getting taken down and made fun of - why
do you think howard stern and rush limbaugh are so popular? it's all for
the same reason - the same reason gossip columnists and tabloid rags
are still going strong - we love to hear bad things about other people, and
better yet, hear them get verbally harrased in public.

>if more people listened to and followed their own compass ... this society
>might be a better place.

if more people kept their nose in their own business, rather than arbiting
the morals of others, the world would be a much better place.

jenna
wherever@qwest.net

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those who count the votes decide everything."
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just a quick note (my own review to come later!)

there are a few photos of amy & emily playing with the band "group sex" at
amy's 3/29 echo lounge show up on the following website:

http://www.spoonbenders.com

then go to the group sex link, and under the "what is the buzz" section -
you'll find the new photos.

there will be reviews & more photos of both the butchies & amy's sets added
soon to the spoonbenders site (under reviews/live music), so you might want
to check back!
=)
lisa

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hi folks,

please take the dr. laura discussion to private email or other forums.

thanks!

jen lucero
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feeling a bit nazi-esque are we?

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sorry meant that for private send but hell, now y'all know how i feel too.

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hey folks,

here's the washington blade article which was mentioned
before...

-sherlyn

---begin article---

amy ray goes stag
indigo girl rocks out on her new solo album

by harriet schwartz

she may take on rolling stone editor jann wenner as the
personification of white male dominance in the rock industry, but
amy ray of the indigo girls also confronts her own demons on stag
(daemon records), her new solo album.

ray explores both the personal and political on her new album,
sometimes mixing the two. "'black heart today' is a song to myself
about not being able to rise above my bad mood," she says. "but
when i talk about social issues -- human rights issues, or gender
issues -- like in 'laramie' -- things that i'm calling other
people down on, i'm including myself when [suggesting that]
someone needs to work on things."

while "laramie" may look inward and outward, "lucystoners" is a
definitive anti-rock-establishment statement. ray hammers on
wenner throughout the choruses.

"'lucystoners' covers a lot of territory, [including the] sexism
and homophobia that me and emily have experienced in the industry,
over time," ray says.  "jann is unfortunately an excellent symbol
for all this stuff. he is notoriously [seen as] sexist in the
feminist community, and so i picked him. i don't even know him, so
i have nothing personal. when i say he gave the boys what they
deserve, i meant it. it doesn't mean that the guys don't deserve
the coverage, they do. but it means he's sorely lacking in his
parity with women. he probably has women on the cover [of rolling
stone] as much as men, but they are always presented in a very
specific way."

ray believes that there has been a post-lilith fair, anti-woman
backlash in the mainstream music industry.

"i've talked to a lot of [radio] music directors about it," ray
says, "and they say their research shows that people's taste had
changed, but you have to wonder, why did that happen? did the
stations start playing something different?"

independent labels like ray's own, daemon, now in its 11th year,
have picked up some of the slack, she observes, noting that women
artists find far greater support in that segment of the industry.
ray called on many of her daemon records colleagues, as well as a
few old friends and artists she has admired, to put together stag.
the butchies, who have recorded on mr. lady records, gave ray a
sense of direction as she began the process that would lead to
stag.

"the songs with the butchies were a few of the first songs done
and i didn't expect them to be as diverse and as strong in terms
of branching out into different styles," ray says. "[the butchies
played] a song like 'laramie' that's not normally in their style,
and also 'lucystoners' which is a little more their style. when
they had such great performances, it raised the bar of what i was
expecting."

fans may have imagined that ray's solo album would pick up where
the indigo girls' latest studio album, come on now social, left off,
particularly building on ray's rock-oriented songs like "go" and
"compromise." however, stag has a much rawer sound, owing more to a
punk aesthetic than anything else. ray says that working with a
smaller budget had an impact on the sound, but that she wanted a
stripped-down rock feel.

"most of it is stylistically my choice, what i want it to be -- a
punk approach, the rawness," she says. "a lot of the stuff was
recorded live, with us playing together in one room. that has a
raw sound -- it's very hard to control sonically. so i made
choices to do things that way that i thought would lend themselves
to the song. ... i did different tricks. some of it came out really
well, and some of it you can't tell the difference."

ray says there were key moments when she felt the absence of emily
saliers, her collaborator in the indigo girls. she says that saliers
typically handles lead guitar for the indigos, so the solo project
required her to take on that role herself. she also missed saliers's
input regarding harmonies.

"when i was driving long drives to atlanta or birmingham to record,"
ray says, "it was very alone and different, making decisions about
mixes, those things i'm used to going to emily with."

while stag has been an energizing project for ray and an invaluable
outlet for her more aggressive musical side, she is clear that the
solo recording does not herald a permanent break with saliers. after
a short spring solo tour, ray plans to begin a new indigo girls
record with saliers in july.

whether working solo or with saliers, ray continues to explore her
musical process. she says she has a tendency to be overly cerebral,
but has also learned to trust her intuition. she looks no further
than songs on stag to prove her point.

"a song like 'late bloom' came very fast to me, was recorded fast
and i mixed it myself," she says. "[these are] things that don't
usually bode well for a song, and it turned out to be one of my
favorite tracks. ... i work on my songs for a long time. sometimes
they take that much work, and sometimes i miss the boat and don't
realize i should have stopped. sometimes i'll go back to an original
version of a song. maybe technically it isn't as good, but it has
something emotional that i can relate to."

amy ray will perform on wednesday, april 4, at the 9:30 club, 815 v
st., nw. for more information, call (202) 393-0930 or visit
http://www.930.com on the web. earlier that same day, at 4 p.m., she
will appear at olsson's dupont circle store, at 1307 19th st., nw.
for more information about that appearance, call the store at
(202) 785-2662.

---
with help from her friends
amy ray discusses her guests at the stag party

josephine wiggs: "the breeders were a very important band to me, so
i've always wanted to play with josephine. she's very
unconventional, but she grooves. she finds that one little lick and
repeats it a lot."

kate schellenbach: "kate's a great drummer. she gets the song, it
only takes her two takes -- and more takes than that and she won't
do it. well, she will, but it won't be as good as the first two,
and she knows that about herself. she's very inventive. she's
managed to merge that hip-hop groove with the old motown feel."

joan jett: "joan is very influential. i grew up listening to her. i
remember running track and everyone at track freaking out about 'i
love rock'n'roll' or any time she came out with something, we all
freaked out about it. i don't think people always realize what a
great musician she is. i think sometimes when you do rock and punky
stuff, people just think you are a three-chord wonder. she is that,
but she's also incredibly musical. i sung her [a] melody once and
she remembered it -- it's pretty special, that kind of musicality."

1945: "they were called 'three finger cowboys' until last year.
they're a pop band and they're a punk band -- they find that balance
between accessibility and rawness that's really hard to find.
they're amazing songwriters. i am a huge fan of their albums --
they've made two and both were very well received by college radio."

the butchies: "they have a record coming out. ... it's a great
record, i've heard it. ... i'm a huge team dresch fan, so naturally
i'm a butchies fan. i think that if they stick at it, which i'm sure
they will, they will get what they deserve, which is to play an
arena show. they're melodic -- kaia [wilson] has a real knack for
picking out a guitar line that will work; she always finds the right
guitar line, a signature. i can always tell you what part of a song
is kaia's. mel [york] is one of the best drummers i've ever played
with. she's diverse and inventive. al [martlew] is a great bass
player and has a beautiful voice."

kelly hogan: "she lives in chicago now. she was originally part of
the scene in atlanta, the punk scene. she did mostly torch songs,
like dusty springfield. she's brilliant."

rock*a*teens: "they are a band i've been infatuated with for years.
the lead singer who writes for them is one of the top five
songwriters for me. he's influenced me a lot. they remind me of a
cross between old spanish movies and that drama you feel in life
sometimes. they're very melodramatic and i love that about them.
they have that conquistador vibe. it's like neil young with some
punk band all mixed together."

danielle howle: "her voice is classic. she's a great songwriter
too. she's got this deep southern voice that is full of soul. she
has some records out and people should check her out."
-- harriet schwartz

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wish i could too but since they disallow my wife, i refuse to support them
in any way shape or form.

ryan (who is finally clearning out her inbox after a hellish couple weeks)

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> amy ray and the butchies are listed as performers at michigan this
> year. as an aside, so is dar williams. wish i could go! :)
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hey all,

anybody know where i can find some good michelle malone chords? or even
some not so good michelle malone chords? :0) all olga has is grace.


thanks,
amy m.

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                -amy ray

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> the butchies will be playing an opening set
> amy ray & the butchies will follow
> group sex will be closing the show

ok so where do we get tickets and do we bring our own condoms or will they
be provided? <veg>

ryan

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sorry for the nigc....but i was wondering if anyone has if these walls could
talk 2.  sadly, i have missed it everytime it comes on hbo.  and none of the
video stores around here carry it.  i heard a rumor that some used to but i
haven't been able to find it. anyhow let me know! thanks!! take care-- ashley

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thanks guys for all your help!!!!  --ashley

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unsuscribe please

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help!!! looking for 2 tickets for friday nights show at the bowery
ballroom in nyc. if you can help it would be greatly appreciated.
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melissa ferrick
w/ bitch and animal
sat. april 14th
free7pm-10pm
fine arts center
castleton state college
castleton, vt

questions call 802-468-1391 or email
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hello

i have one extra ticket to the 930 club show tomorrow (4/4) that i would be
willing to sell for almost anything up to $10 (i paid $13.50 with
ticketbastard charges for it).  i'd even give it to you for a recent ig or
melissa ferrick bootleg...  contact me asap if interested.

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i was at the ottawa show too, and he did break his low e string during his
last song.

-- john

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amy's stuff sounded great live. but what was a pet peeve for me as part of
the indigo girls was down right annoying from her as a solo artist: she sings
with her eyes closed. the only time she didn't was on the closing cover of
"refugee" and it was great to see her confidently belting out that song. i
guess with her own material it's that she's so close to it that closing her eyes
makes it more personal. but, this far down the line, she ought to be able to
look the audience in the eye and sing to it.

hey ron, et al,

well, here's my thoughts on amy singing with her eyes closed.  yeah, it may be "annoying."  sure, we'd all love to gaze into her eyes as her emotion-filled voice pours out all over us (okay, maybe i'm getting a little too personal there :) nah, i think it's something many amy/ig fans identify with). but, hey! this is the first time she's doing this alone in a long time.  and especially with the content of this album being so much more personal, straight-forward, introspective, and stripped-down, i can see where amy would feel a little more "shy" than usual while ripping her chest open for everyone to see her raw, disturbed emotions.  i think it adds to the seriousness, genuineness, and bravery of what she's doing.  and as far as the song-long butt-shot, hey, take it for what you can!  i know i would only be complainin' so much!! :)

peace all, melissa

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<p>amy's stuff sounded great live. but what was a pet peeve for me as part of<br>the indigo girls was down right annoying from her as a solo artist: she sings<br>with her eyes closed. the only time she didn't was on the closing cover of<br>"refugee" and it was great to see her confidently belting out that song. i<br>guess with her own material it's that she's so close to it that closing her eyes<br>makes it more personal. but, this far down the line, she ought to be able to<br>look the audience in the eye and sing to it. </p>
<p>hey ron, et al, </p>
<p>well, here's my thoughts on amy singing with her eyes closed.  yeah, it may be "annoying."  sure, we'd all love to gaze into her eyes as her emotion-filled voice pours out all over us (okay, maybe i'm getting a little too personal there :) nah, i think it's something many amy/ig fans identify with). but, hey! this is the first time she's doing this alone in a long time.  and especially with the content of this album being so much more personal, straight-forward, introspective, and stripped-down, i can see where amy would feel a little more "shy" than usual while ripping her chest open for everyone to see her raw, disturbed emotions.  i think it adds to the seriousness, genuineness, and bravery of what she's doing.  and as far as the song-long butt-shot, hey, take it for what you can!  i know i would only be complainin' so much!! :)</p>
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sorry all,

joy i need your snail mail again.

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from sonicnet:
this year, it's ladyfest times four
event spawns spin-offs in other cities after olympia,
washington, inception; le tigre, amy ray, butchies
take on chicago fest.

when the final curtain fell on the first ladyfest
music and activism fair in olympia, washington, last
august, organizers knew they'd started something
exciting.


they just didn't want it to continue in olympia.


"it's really weird if yearly everyone makes their
pilgrimage to olympia," said kathleen hanna, former
bikini kill frontwoman and singer for lo-fi dance
punks le tigre, whose from the desk of mr. lady ep
includes the activist rant "get off the internet"
(realaudio excerpt).

"if everyone just moved to olympia ... that's doing
kind of a disservice to the amazing stuff that goes on
everywhere."
- le tigre's kathleen hanna


though hanna was not involved in last year's ladyfest,
le tigre are playing chicago's ladyfest midwest, one
of several sequel events this year.


olympians "have done incredible things for years and
years and years and years," hanna said. "but if
everyone just moved to olympia or goes there to get
the ladyfest vibe ... that's doing kind of a
disservice to the amazing stuff that goes on
everywhere."


rather than make ladyfest an annual affair in olympia,
organizers at last year's conference urged women
activists to start their own events across the globe.
at least four ladyfests are in the works for 2001.


the first, a four-day happening in bloomington,
indiana, kicks off thursday. then a spate of summer
fests kicks off with ladyfest east in northampton and
easthampton, massachusetts, august 2-5. the
farthest-flung from the original site, ladyfest
scotland, is set for august 12-14 in glasgow, followed
by the chicago event, aug. 16-19.


organized and operated entirely by women, the
inaugural ladyfest boasted not only six days of
concerts by sleater-kinney, bratmobile, the butchies,
the need, the gossip, neko case and cat power, but
also art openings, film screenings and workshops on
everything from sewing to labor organizing to running
a pa system, plus discussions on sexual assault and
middle school gender socialization.


many of the folks involved - planners, bands and
attendees - had roots in the riot grrrl feminist punk
movement of the early '90s.


chainsaw records will release a commemorative cd from
the event in july.


meanwhile, april 10 will see the release of ladyfest
east, a double-disc benefit album to raise money for
various charities and to help stage the massachusetts
edition of ladyfest. the 29-song set includes cuts by
lavababy, the hissyfits and the trouble dolls
(including mtvi news managing editor matty karas),
along with moxiestarpark, whose 28 days records is
releasing the album.


seated more than 100 miles west of boston, northampton
is somewhat off the beaten path of the urban east
coast - and that's the point, said nancy scibilia, who
with 30 other members of the music committee will
choose the bands for ladyfest east.


"it would have been easier to have it in d.c. or new
york city, but new england's great," scibilia said.
"there's a lot of music scenes up there."


among the musicians already signed on to play
chicago's ladyfest are indigo girl amy ray with the
butchies, bratmobile, the need, shannon wright and
detroit house artist dj minx.


"chicago's very diversified ethnically," said pr
coordinator tammy cresswell. "we have a lot of spanish
music, a lot of mexican music, a lot of good country
music. so it's a really good place for us to diversify
the idea of ladyfest."


the windy city festival will also offer mammograms,
discussions on women and the death penalty and being
raised by gay or lesbian parents, and workshops on
four-track recording, guitar maintenance, motorcycle
mechanics and kick-boxing.


organizing so many ladyfests is "like the difference
between being a rampant consumer and being someone
who, through the example of others, sees themselves as
producers as well," hanna said. "they're producers of
culture. and that is the thing about the ladyfest in
olympia ... that shows me how successful it f---in'
was."

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jut fyi, i received an email from kfog this morning about the special
presale on mountain winery tickets. it's for a bunch of the venue's
concerts, and it runs all week. there's probably some info on their
webpage...

anyhow...

:) amy

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is tanner from "group sex" amy's friend tanner?


memememi@aol.com wrote:
>
> just a quick note (my own review to come later!)
>
> there are a few photos of amy & emily playing with the band "group sex" at
> amy's 3/29 echo lounge show up on the following website:
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> http://www.spoonbenders.com
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> then go to the group sex link, and under the "what is the buzz" section -
> you'll find the new photos.
>
> there will be reviews & more photos of both the butchies & amy's sets added
> soon to the spoonbenders site (under reviews/live music), so you might want
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sorry, this is totally nigc... but i just had to vent.

this, from a cnn article i am reading about the chinese/american
military plane collision:

"prueher said china had no jurisdiction to either hold the crew, which
includes women, or search the plane."

is the fact that it includes women news?!?  aren't women crew?  why is
this something they need to say?  i bet you'd never see "which includes
men"...

argh.

jean

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are you interested in watching or playing women's pro football???  if so,
you need to visit the following link:  www.nwflcentral.com immediately!
this is the official website for the national women's football league.  i'm
very excited about this because on my own home team, the pensacola power,
several of my friends are playing.  this is going to be big.  and also,
please note:  this is not powderpuff football.  this is real, tackle
football!

so that you know how much you need to hurry:  game 1 is april 21!!!!  the
lineup is as follows:
tennessee venom @ nashville dream
alabama renegades @ pensacola power (woo-hoo!)
connecticut crush @ philadelphia liberty belles
baltimore burn @ d.c. divas
chattanooga locomotion - bye
mass (massachussetts) mutiny - bye

there are 2 more teams slated for tryouts in april: one in atlanta and one
in (i think) junction city, ks.  plus 4 more teams out west for the 2002
season.

got game???

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since seeing hamell on trial open for ani sunday night i've been
listening to his live album i bought after the show.
it is insanely great!! i don't need an espresso in the morning any more.
get it if you can.
it's called "ed's not dead --- hamell comes alive" on such a punch records.

>i tried to play like him once, and i broke my low
>e string.

funny you should say that. in his last song he broke his
g string. i couldn't tell which string was broken because
i could see the bottom three strings (since they are "shinier")
and the top string. then i saw the string was hanging from the
third tuning peg.
i bet that made his night.

simon

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the following link is to an article from people.com
confirming that jodie foster is pregnant again.

she won't reveal the name of the father, just like
she didn't with her son charlie, 2; she is due
in november.

http://people.aol.com/people/daily/story/0,5247,104838,00.html

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did some more snooping online - the girls are playing the britt
festival in jacksonville, or on 7/21. it appears that tickets are
available online or by phone, now, i think...

http://www.brittfest.org

i'm trying to keep my website updated on these tour dates:
http://www.indigirl.com/igc.html

thanks!
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i would imagine singing any of the songs either of the indigo girls writes is
a fairly intimate thing because they are so personal. people tend to close
their eyes during intimate things, like say kissing. i have never seen a show
where amy doesnt close her eyes while singing. why would you expect her to
change just because she is singing solo?


in a message dated 4/3/01 7:27:30 pm, listserv@netspace.org writes:

>amy's stuff sounded great live. but what was a pet peeve for me as part
>of
>the indigo girls was down right annoying from her as a solo artist: she
>sings
>with her eyes closed.

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it's finally finished!  sorry that it took so long, but my awesome hubby
worked really hard to improve the sound quality, and it took longer than
expected.  i'll be making a trip to the post office in the morning to
send them on their way.

i owe another listee a copy as a trade for some early boots, but my
email got wiped again (many problems with road runner service lately).
i don't remember a name, but i do recall that you live in spokane,
washington.  please e-mail me back with your addy so i can send your cd!

thanks everyone!

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hi--getting excited to see ms ray in chicago next week.  turns out i bought
too many tickets for the show and have 2 extras.  apparently amy solo isn't
quite as popular among friends as ig together.  their loss.

anyway, i have 2 tickets for the thursday, april 12 show which starts at 7pm
at the chicago metro theater.  it's general admission to all tix are the
same.  i am charging exactly what i paid for em $10 plus $5 for
ticketbastard charges and my cost to mail them to you.  they go to the first
person who emails me.   thanks--greg

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am i the only one who didnt know last night's show in nc was webcast ....


uggh-

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a few of the mp3s from the show are on http://brianclary.com
:)
they will also be posting it in real audio as an archive in two weeks at http://dnc.com

-brian

mike reynolds <michael_reynolds@yahoo.com> wrote:
> am i the only one who didnt know last night's show in nc was webcast ....


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>>i would imagine singing any of the songs either of the indigo girls writes is a fairly intimate thing because they are so personal. people tend to close
their eyes during intimate things, like say kissing.>>

at the same time, she is a performer.  how would you feel if you went to a play and the actors all kept their eyes closed during their lines, whether they wrote them themselves or not?  amy didn't write "romeo and juliet" but she closes her eyes there also...

thankfully, amy connects with the audience when she starts jamming on her guitar...but i do agree with others in that i'd love to see her eyes more during the songs.  traditionally, closing eyes consistently during a performance is directly related to a fear of letting the audience know how you're really feeling.

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the irish traditional legend christy moore (who is from my home town of
newbridge, co kildare), was once asked in an interview why he always sang with
his eyes closed.  keeping a totally straight face he replied "i have the lyrics
written on the inside of my eyelids!"

fare thee well.
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hi all!

> thankfully, amy connects with the audience when she starts >jamming on her
guitar...but i do agree with others in that i'd love to >see her eyes more
during the songs.  traditionally, closing eyes >consistently during a
performance is directly related to a fear of >letting the audience know how
you're really feeling.

i certainly agree... seems to me though, that we're lucky she's not turning
her back to the audience during her performances;) (like jim morrison used
to do, i think).

:)

have a great rest of the day,

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> but i do agree with others in that i'd love to see her eyes more
> during the songs.

have you ever watched amy's eyes when they're open though?  they're kind of
haunting.  she exudes more eye energy when she opens them only part
of the time than most performers do all night with theirs open.  she's very
intense.

- rick c. hodgin

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i agree, she has wonderfully intense eyes.  to tell you the truth, it
also seemed to me that she closed her eyes to be more connected to the
song, to be less distracted by the audience and the drooling fans.  in
general, i think that singers who have their eyes open look like they're
not really into it.  i'd much prefer her to be up their singing her songs
than putting on a show for us.  isn't that one of the popular things
about the girls?  that they are musicians and songwriters rather than
performers?

nancy

rick c. hodgin wrote: > > > but i do agree with others in that i'd love to
see her eyes more > > during the songs. > > have you ever watched amy's
eyes when they're open though?  they're kind of > haunting.  she exudes
more eye energy when she opens them only part > of the time than most
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this is beyond nitpicky, folks...


>at the same time, she is a performer.  how would you feel if you went to a
>play and the actors all kept their eyes closed during their lines, whether
>they wrote them themselves or not?  amy didn't write "romeo and juliet"
>but she closes her eyes there also...
>
>thankfully, amy connects with the audience when she starts jamming on her
>guitar...but i do agree with others in that i'd love to see her eyes more
>during the songs.  traditionally, closing eyes consistently during a
>performance is directly related to a fear of letting the audience know how
>you're really feeling.

it's also a symbol of concentration...and considering how intense she gets
during that song, i, for one, am grateful. and i've never seen her close
her eyes for more than a minute at a time.

jeez, give people a mile and they want...well, a hundred of them. we've
been gifted with being able to watch this amazing woman peform and people
are quibbling over whether or not she closes her eyes when she sings? please!
sharon

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>>jeez, give people a mile and they want...well, a hundred of them. we've
been gifted with being able to watch this amazing woman peform and people
are quibbling over whether or not she closes her eyes when she sings? please!>>

you make it sound like i'm really ungrateful, and i'm not.  but i'm allowed to criticize certain parts of a public performance, yet still enjoy the performance as a whole.  which i do, very much, and i can't wait to see her friday, even if she can't see me. ;-)

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hkf's,

the show is on monday night 4/16/01 at 8:00pm and it's
a general admission show.  i have a little conflict of
concerts and need to sell these two tix's.  i'm
selling them for exactly face - $25 each - and want to
sell them to somebody in atlanta or athens and so i
can drop them off to make things easier.

let me know who wants them and we can arrange a
convenient meeting place.  thanks.
-mike
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ps: i saw amy and emily last week... :)

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in a message dated 4/4/01 9:55:43 am eastern daylight time,
begonias15@yahoo.com writes:


> ps: i saw amy and emily last week... :)
>

where?

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<html><font face=arial,helvetica><font  size=3>in a message dated 4/4/01 9:55:43 am eastern daylight time,
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ok-- how do the in-store appearences work?  i know she does autographs and
stuff....but does she usually perform a few songs?  thanks y'all!!

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<< >amy's stuff sounded great live. but what was a pet peeve for me as part
>of
>the indigo girls was down right annoying from her as a solo artist: she
>sings
>with her eyes closed. >>

  as a person who has performed in front of literally thousands of people i
can tell you closing your eyes while you are singing has nothing to do w/ how
"comfortable" you feel performing. it can be about many things i.e.;
concentration, when you are in a roomful of people who are trying to get your
attention, doing what ever it takes like screaming your name, yelling
requests while your in the middle of someone else's
request,whistling,catcalling,and in some cases flashing naked body parts, it
can be very difficult to focus on what your doing. another example is if you
have been lucky enough to choose performing as your career the odds are you
are doing it because you love music, and you enjoy playing, and get in to the
music just as much as the people you are playing for(see if you can count how
many times you were jammin along w/ your fav song and totally lost sight of
everything around you),and i believe, as in amy's case most of her songs are
written w/ such emotion, she is trying to reach down inside her to project
the feelings in which she wrote these songs w/ in the first place, i commend
her for always (at these all of the times i have seen her live) playing from
her heart and bearing her soul for rock&roll. just my 2 cents.......

  "i am intense,iam in need ,iam in pain,i am in love"

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hey yall
i have 4 amy ray tix for lilli's in somerville on saturday because since she will also be in northampton on sunday i am going to see the vagina monologues(since you all asked).  so - that leaves me with 4 tickets to the sold out show.  i am looking for someone who wants to buy all 4 tickets - so please dont respond to me (at least for right now) if you want less than the 4.  i am only looking for what i paid for them - my other issue is that they are at will call - so i will give whoever wants them my confirmation number and i will call the box office and have the name on the list switched.  if you are interested please email me at sasha_friedman@brown.edu - soryr to those on digest, but whoever responds first will get them, cause i need to get this straightend out....


peace
sasha

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hello!

i as well bought too many tickets for the amy ray show. if anyone needs
tickets for the show at the north star bar in philly tomorrow night (8pm),
let me know.  i'll arrange to meet you sometime that night to pick them up.
i'm charging the exact price, $12 ($10+$2 charge).  let me know!

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hi folks,

just a reminder...

after april 15, messages sent to indigo-girls@netspace.org will not go
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hey...

> a few of the mp3s from the show are on http://brianclary.com

so "ever fallen in love (with someone you shouldn't've)?" by the buzzcocks
is one of my fave-rave punk songs (i've been known to tap my foot to the
fine young cannibals cover version too) and the thought of an amy cover
version had me lickin' my lips in anticipation (i thought you were in
altringham!*)

but that mp3 doesn't sound like it's our amy that's singing at all. what
gives?

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hey everybody,

after returning from a fantastic pilgrimage to atlanta, taking in a dar
williams show in athens, michelle malone at eddies and the gorgeous ms amy
ray, to name a few, i am totally depressed to be back in england.

anyhoo, i've noticed a distinct lack of reviews about the excellent amy show
at echo lounge and since i can't find the energy to write something coherant
for myself, here's what i found on the atlanta journal-constitution site:

a solo indigo concert review
amy ray makes night her own at echo lounge
by shane harrison atlanta journal-constitution staff writer

it looked like girls' night out at the echo lounge in east atlanta thursday
night, which was packed with female fans of almost every age and style. but
these women (and the handful of men on hand) were there to rock. the
occasion was indigo girls' amy ray live bow as a solo artist, and it just
confirmed what her debut solo album, "stag," hinted: she's at the peak of
her powers as a musician, songwriter and performer. before ray took the
stage, the out-and-proud lesbian punk trio the butchies (from north
carolina) had the predominantly female crowd screaming like
teenyboppers at an 'n sync concert. it's clear that guitarist and vocalist
kaia wilson is the new lesbian sex symbol. smart, witty and playfully lusty,
she attacked her six-string with fervor, singing the band's punk-fueled
tunes in a voice sometimes painfully vulnerable and occasionally seething
with anger. on any other night, she'd be the star she so obviously deserves
to be. this was amy ray's night, though, and she wore it well.

appearing center stage with just a mandolin, ray launched into the breakneck
appalachian folk-punk of "stag's" lead-off track, "johnny rottentail." the
capacity crowd responded by stomping along
hard enough to shake the club. bringing the butchies back out as her backing
band, ray cranked things up with her album's catchiest and most incendiary
song, "lucystoners," an indictment of the music industry's lack of respect
for female artists. rocking with the vigor of a teenager, ray made it look
easy. it certainly didn't hurt to have the butchies' phenomenal skin-pounder
melissa york and statuesque bassist alison martlew providing the solid
backbeat. a mid-set version of the buzzcocks lovelorn punk classic "ever
fallen in love" even inspired the breakout of a couple of impromptu mosh
pits. proving that this was a low-key
indie-rock operation (and the tour's first night), the only problems
occurred with delays between songs. before ending with a pounding
version of tom petty's "refugee," ray told the audience, "thanks for putting
up with all our transitions. we're still learning how to go from one song to
the next." those between-song lulls couldn't dampen the hometown heroine's
triumphant tour kick-off. in answer to her apology for the minor
inconvenience, we can only offer: it was our pleasure.

-----------

my personal highlights stemmed mainly from seeing emily bounding out from
backstage about 10 mins before the butchies took the stage to be a member of
the audience.  it amazed me that she was the one leading her "posse" of
friends into the audience - no illusions of stardom, i guess.  so there she
was bopping away to the music, leaving myself and jen, my fellow pilgrim,
(hi jen!) not sure quite where to look - the stage or emily!  she looked
beautiful!  gerard mchugh was also in audience, btw.

it was a shame that so many people had to leave after amy's set as group sex
were excellent.  i had no real expectations of them, but they were great.
after meeting up with a few ig listees (hi mike and katie!) in the lounge,
we decided to go back into the audience to drool over emily some more, and
we were so delighted when emily went onstage to join group sex for rousing
versions of van halen's 'you really got me' and a passionate, sing-along
filled 'school's out' by alice cooper. amy then came back to the stage &
joined them for rod stewart's 'maggie may'.  emily was playing a new
instrument, a mandola and amy on mandolin.  although they were really just
part of the band for that one, we nearly all fainted when they took centre
stage and kinda played duelling mandolins for a while as a solo.  wow!

i don't think group sex left the stage until 2am, so it was a great evening
of music.  the butchies starting at 10:30pm, amy at 11:30pm for just over an
hour and then group sex.  it was also nice to be able to buy the butchies
new cd '3' which isn't officially released yet at the show.  i'm converted
now!

the main disappointment was the sound system.  maybe it's the type of music,
but i found there to be distortion in the higher ranges all night.  it
certainly left souvenirs for my ears as they were ringing for a few days
after.  but really, i've lost my ig virginity in style now!!  :-d

thanks for reading,

claudine

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hehe, that was kaia doing lead vocals, amy playing guitar, and amy doing
some vocals on the side.

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hey...

> a few of the mp3s from the show are on http://brianclary.com

so "ever fallen in love (with someone you shouldn't've)?" by the buzzcocks
is one of my fave-rave punk songs (i've been known to tap my foot to the
fine young cannibals cover version too) and the thought of an amy cover
version had me lickin' my lips in anticipation (i thought you were in
altringham!*)

but that mp3 doesn't sound like it's our amy that's singing at all. what
gives?

neil
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*obscure reference of the year. twenty bucks for anyone who gets it.

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hi all,

i hope somebody out there wants to use my extra
ticket to the ms. ray show in nyc fri night. i
would feel sad if it weren't used :). let me know
if you're interested and we'll figure out how to
get the ticket to you before the show.

can't wait for friday!
-susan

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hi folks,

thanks to all who pointed out my typo...

the new ig list addy is

indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org

jen lucero
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going 'stag': indigo girl amy ray takes measure of herself with hard-edged
solo album
by brett milano
wednesday, april 4, 2001

who'd have thought that one of this year's toughest punk rock albums would
come from an indigo girl?

for anyone who's followed the duo over the years, the sound of amy ray's new
album ''stag'' won't be a total surprise: she's always been the grittier of
the two, the closet rock 'n' roller in the sensitive duo.

but she pushes harder on the solo disc, whose songs are more politically and
sexually outspoken than hers have been in the past. and she gets raucous
backup from the butchies, the north carolina female punk band who will also
be performing with her at lilli's on saturday. the show is sold out.

''it was something i had to do before i was 40,'' ray said recently from her
home in atlanta. ''over the last five years i've been writing more
prolifically, and there were some bands i felt i had to work with. and i'd
begun to put songs in their proper categories: there were some that called
for a single voice and were maybe a little more pointed in their point of
view.

''and you can't do too much of that with indigo girls, because our best stuff
is about harmonies and countermelodies. and some songs weren't right for
emily (indigo partner emily saliers). i love playing with her, but we make no
bones about our differences.''

one of the songs that saliers balked at was ''lucystoners,'' a female
rockers' anthem that disses rolling stone publisher jann wenner by name. ''i
played that one for emily and it went over like a lead balloon; she didn't
feel comfortable with it at all. jann wenner is someone that i've always been
kind of infatuated with at the same time as being disgusted with him. his
notorious sexism is just amazing to me.

''so i was going to use him as a jumping-off point; then emily told me she'd
just done an interview with one of those morning-show djs who had completely
insulted her. so the other verses fell into place; it became a song about the
evolution of sexism in the industry and the need to create our own.''

both of the indigo girls have come out as lesbians, though it doesn't
necessarily figure into their songwriting. but ray deals with sexuality on
the new album's ''measure of me,'' a gender-shifting love song partly
inspired by the story of brandon teena in the film ''boys don't cry.'' but
she says some of the inspiration was more personal.

''i enjoyed a couple of years of being single recently, and i found that
there were a couple of guys i was interested in and i was feeling awkward
about it,'' she said. ''so i was tackling that a little bit when i wrote
it.''

ray released her album on her own daemon label, a longtime home for outspoken
singer-songwriters including atlanta's michelle malone and boston resident
rose polenzani. ''i guess the blessing and curse of the indigo girls' career
is that our label (epic/sony) doesn't pay much attention to us and don't give
us the support they used to, but we can go out and do anything we want,''
said ray. ''if i put out a record on my own label, they know i'm not trying
to create some alternate career. even if they tried to sue me, it's a
separate entity from indigo girls and it's not something i'm doing for
profit.''

the indigo girls have gotten louder in recent years, but ray says they'll
reverse that trend when they head back to the studio. ''it's going to be a
folk record,'' she said. ''that's something i've been trying to talk emily
into for years, since she normally likes doing bigger produced albums. but
i've always thought we could make a real rocking little folk record, and
that's going to happen this year.

''we're going to record in early summer and then we'll tour acoustic with
some small amount of drums, some small amount of bass,'' she added. ''our
band is amazing now and they're real good at celtic kinds of music. you'll be
hearing more of that as well.''

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johnny rotten
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mountains of glory
measure of me
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>>and boston resident rose polenzani.

what?  i thought she lived in california.

elaine

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i'm fairly certain that she lives in chicago or at least she did until very
recently.


>>and boston resident rose polenzani.

what?  i thought she lived in california.

elaine

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rose now lives in boston. she mentioned it in a recent radio interview  with
wers (boston).

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i have the flu, & i don't anticipate a miraculous recovery by tomorrow
night. even if i'm half-recovered, i'll still be too sick to enjoy the
show. so, even tho' it sucks, i'm selling my ticket to the bowery
ballroom show tomorrow night. i paid $12 + $2.80 in fees; i'll sell it
for $14.00 even. i work in manhattan; i have the ticket w/me today &
will have it tomorrow. if anyone wants it, you'll have to pick it up
fr. me in manhattan. please contact me privately @
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okay, so i finally got the stag album.  hehehe.  let
me just say i love it! anyway i was listening to
lucystoners and i noticed that she uses the number 100
numerous times in the song.  does anyone have any
thoughts on why she picked the number 100?  oh yeah,
and for those of you out there on the list who are in
portland, or and are interested in meeting for coffee
or dinner before the show, e-mail me.  i have some
friends who are thinking about going to vita cafe (a
vegan/vegitarian restaurant)....we could all meet
there and then go to the show.

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i heard from my g/f, who went to the michelle malone show last night at smith's old bar in atlanta, that emily was there just hanging with the crowd. she also got up and sang along with mm during the mm song "avalon" and (one of mm's latest songs--on the new cd) "sleepy sunday morning"...my g/f called me at 2am from the road and woke me up screaming in my ear about how good the show was. just thought i'd pass it along.

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hey lauryn and everyone,
  lauryn steele <lezbideshiac@yahoo.com> wrote:

anyway i was listening tolucystoners and i noticed that she uses the number 100
numerous times in the song. does anyone have any thoughts on why she picked the number 100?

i realized this, too.  at first i really only noticed the "i give you 100 different reasons to just say no" line.  then, i picked up on "100 different pictures of private parts..."  and "they found 100 different ways to say blow me..."  i that's it.  i don't know why she chose 100.  but, i think it's significant that she kept all the numbers the same.  i guess 100 is a commonly thought of large number.  although, i think it's pretty arbitrary as to the exact number that she chose.  i think she's just trying to say it's _a lot_, too many to count, way more than necessary, and 100 conveys that nicely.  at least i think it does.  okay, enough crazy banter about such a simple subject...  later, y'all.

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<p>anyway i was listening tolucystoners and i noticed that she uses the number 100<br>numerous times in the song. does anyone have any thoughts on why she picked the number 100? </p>
<p>i realized this, too.  at first i really only noticed the "i give you 100 different reasons to just say no" line.  then, i picked up on "100 different pictures of private parts..."  and "they found 100 different ways to say blow me..."  i that's it.  i don't know why she chose 100.  but, i think it's significant that she kept all the numbers the same.  i guess 100 is a commonly thought of large number.  although, i think it's pretty arbitrary as to the exact number that she chose.  i think she's just trying to say it's _a lot_, too many to count, way more than necessary, and 100 conveys that nicely.  at least i think it does.  okay, enough crazy banter about such a simple subject...  later, y'all.</p>
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*decloaking*

hi all.... just wanted to plant a bug in your ear. antigone rising - who has
just played or will be playing a show w/ michelle malone in new york will be
at the dark horse tavern, in atlanta, ga -  fri 4/6/01.  if you haven't heard
them you should.  if you have heard them, come here them again.

who: antigone rising
where: dark horse tavern
when: 10 pm (but call to make sure)

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what am i gonna do?
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shot in the dark here . . .

my guess is that "one hundred" is just a nice round number with the =
connotation of "a lot," but it made me think of the billboard hot 100 =
charts, and the fact that the last page of rolling stone always consists =
of album/single chart listings (not the hot 100, but it's sort of in the =
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hi all--
i have 3 tickets that i need to get rid of for the 7/26 saratoga show.  they
are in section 3, row s, seats 8-10, which is slightly better than what
ticketmaster will give you now (it can only get worse from here).  i just
need to get what i paid for them, which was $125.70 for all three ($41.90
each).  i wanted to offer the tickets to the list first, but if i don't get
a response by the time they go on sale on the 8th, i'll post it on local
lists like craigslist.com, and they'll go on a first come, first serve
basis.
thanks!
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http://www.themusicpad.com/amyray/

you may find a live version (soundboard even) of
duncan. the upcoming webcasts are also detailed.

it is there, and the site will have much more after
this weekend.

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good morning all,

here's just a few fun highlights before i start working:  first, the show
was great.  amy had a freedom about her that i've never seen - maybe it
was the small venue, maybe it was being in charge by herself - but she
was very sweet and smiley and chatty.  before "hey castrator", she asked
the audience to tell her what the song was about.  she said that "on your
honor" is about a activist friend who was murdered (i know i've heard
this story before, but i can't remember the name of the person) in
colombia, i believe.  my gf swears that amy was crying between verses.
she told a story about practicing guitar at her house so loudly that one
of her cats (a feral cat that lives indoors) ran away for 2 days.

the butchies were adorable, and very entertaining.  it's the first time
i've heard their music, but they rock hard.  they were the perfect backup
for amy, and everyone seemed to be having fun.

see y'all tonight in nyc!

nancy

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<a href="http://www.pollstar.com/tour/searchall.pl?by=artist&content=indgir&sort=date&exact=yes&date_from=today&date_to=04-06-2003">date </a>>       <a href="http://www.pollstar.com/tour/searchall.pl?by=artist&content=indgir&sort=city&exact=yes&date_from=today&date_to=04-06-2003">city </a>       <a href="http://www.pollstar.com/tour/searchall.pl?by=artist&content=indgir&sort=venue&exact=yes&date_from=today&date_to=04-06-2003">venue </a>

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it rocked !!!!!!!! the butchies are awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

my friend nancy & i managed to get up pretty close - although it was sooooooo
hot in there !! amy looked great - seemed very up-beat ... loved hearing
everything live & loud. small venue .... great crowd - very considerate of
each other (i went to the back twice to get water and everyone let me back up
front afterwards).

i loved amy saying that she was "giving emily a break" from her. very cute.
and she kept screwing up the chords to blackheart. she said "it's only a
3-minute song, i'm gonna get it right !" and the drummer from the butchies
(michele ?) said "amy - you're so cool !" amy thought she was mocking her or
something and said "i'm glad you're not riding with me tonight"

and i met amy   !!!!!!!!!!!  she was very cool at the end after she packed
most of her stuff up. she came over to the edge of the stage and signed stuff
for everyone. she looks you straight in the eye when talking to you - which
is very cool. i couldn't speak, so i just said thanks amy !

i can die a happy woman now !!!   thanks to whomever let amy use her pen to
sign me and my friends ticket stubs !!!

did anyone boot the show ????

that's all 4 now

chris (back home in ct after my journey home this morning)

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<html><font face=arial,helvetica><font  size=2>it rocked !!!!!!!! the butchies are awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<br>
<br>my friend nancy & i managed to get up pretty close - although it was sooooooo
<br>hot in there !! amy looked great - seemed very up-beat ... loved hearing
<br>everything live & loud. small venue .... great crowd - very considerate of
<br>each other (i went to the back twice to get water and everyone let me back up
<br>front afterwards).
<br>
<br>i loved amy saying that she was "giving emily a break" from her. very cute.
<br>and she kept screwing up the chords to blackheart. she said "it's only a
<br>3-minute song, i'm gonna get it right !" and the drummer from the butchies
<br>(michele ?) said "amy - you're so cool !" amy thought she was mocking her or
<br>something and said "i'm glad you're not riding with me tonight"
<br>
<br>and i met amy   !!!!!!!!!!!  she was very cool at the end after she packed
<br>most of her stuff up. she came over to the edge of the stage and signed stuff
<br>for everyone. she looks you straight in the eye when talking to you - which
<br>is very cool. i couldn't speak, so i just said thanks amy !
<br>
<br>i can die a happy woman now !!!   thanks to whomever let amy use her pen to
<br>sign me and my friends ticket stubs !!!
<br>
<br>did anyone boot the show ????
<br>
<br>that's all 4 now
<br>
<br>chris (back home in ct after my journey home this morning)</font></html>

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wow!!!!!!

what an incredible show, from every performer there.  i was within spitting
distance of the stage, so i got lots of great photos.  i'll post a link to
them once they get developed.  if you are on this list, i'd just like to
thank the two tall girls who let me stand in front of them because i couldn't
see over their heads.  general admission and being 5'1" don't always make for
a good combination.

tami hart opened--can i just say how cute she is!  very young--i can imagine
how it must feel to be 18 or 19 and opening for amy ray.  one of her guitar
strings broke after her first song, and the guitar was strung left handed.
a new one was brought out, but strung the opposite way.   she finished her
entire set left handed with a right strung guitar--i was very impressed.  she
has a lot of potential as a performer.  she came out during amy's set to play
the xylophone, i forget which one.  it was very cute.  she also sang on the
last couple songs, refugee and

the butchies were up next.  they are so awesome.  it was the first time i had
the pleasure of seeing them live, and i was very surprised.  melissa, the
drummer, is a riot.  they had a few technical difficulties with alison's
bass, so melissa came out for an impromptu poetry reading (something about
lesbian sex i think), and finished with an interesting version of stairway to
heaven with kaia. she is the funniest performer i've ever seen.

then there was amy.  it's not every day when you can go to a show and see a
performer of amy's caliber set up her equipment for 20 minutes, and watch
people take pictures of her *plugging stuff in*.  it was great.  she started
with johnny rottentale of course, which was intense and incredible.  before
she started, she told us that she wrote the song about a producer she and
emily had that she didn't like.  then she brought the butchies back out, who
had changed into dress shirts and ties that spelled out "gay" on their backs.
very funny.  amy was in an awesome mood.  i've never seen her smile so much
or talk so much during a show.  she seemed genuinely happy to be there, and
complimented the audience several times on how nice we were.  she looked
great too, and she had her shirt sleeve pulled up enough to see the hand
tattoo, which made me *very* happy.  at one point, she joked with the people
on the balcony about how it's better to take pictures from up there because
you can't see her double chin.  she played everything off of stag.  i have to
say, there isn't one song i don't love on this album.  lazyboy was a
highlight, the audience was silent and when she finished, everyone just kind
of sighed and said "wow".

i can't tell you how great it felt to look around me and see so many fans who
knew every word to every song she played.  the audience was very attentive
and polite.  we were packed in like sardines, and it was blazing hot in
there.  i'd advise all of you when you go to the next concerts to wear light
clothing.  i think it was sheer force of will that i didn't faint.  amy kept
me going all night!

all in all it was an amazing experience.  the butchies rocked, and were a
perfect fit for amy.  she was even wearing a butchies t-shirt.  if you
haven't gotten tickets for a show, do it!  you will be extremely happy you
did.  as a devotee of acoustic music, i wasn't sure if i would like this
show.  it was extremely different than an indigo girls concert, but in a good
way.  it was great to see amy doing her own thing.  and thanks to the
butchies,  i think i have a newfound love of lesbian punk music!

one thing though, was anyone else disappointed that she didn't play an
encore?  i was hoping with all my heart that she would play blood and fire.
i know she really doesn't play it any more and she wasn't doing ig songs in
general, but i could have sworn i read in an article that she played blood
and fire at one of the concerts recently.  maybe i'm hallucinating.

well, that's all, sorry this was so long.  i am just so excited and happy, i
couldn't stop typing.  now it's time to go revive my hearing.

elise

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sorry, i forgot to fix the font and colors from aol, so here it is again.

wow!!!!!!

what an incredible show, from every performer there.  i was within spitting
distance of the stage, so i got lots of great photos.  i'll post a link to
them once they get developed.  if you are on this list, i'd just like to
thank the two tall girls who let me stand in front of them because i couldn't
see over their heads.  general admission and being 5'1" don't always make for
a good combination.

tami hart opened--can i just say how cute she is!  very young--i can imagine
how it must feel to be 18 or 19 and opening for amy ray.  one of her guitar
strings broke after her first song, and the guitar was strung left handed.
a new one was brought out, but strung the opposite way.   she finished her
entire set left handed with a right strung guitar--i was very impressed.  she
has a lot of potential as a performer.  she came out during amy's set to play
the xylophone, i forget which one.  it was very cute.  she also sang on the
last couple songs, refugee and

the butchies were up next.  they are so awesome.  it was the first time i had
the pleasure of seeing them live, and i was very surprised.  melissa, the
drummer, is a riot.  they had a few technical difficulties with alison's
bass, so melissa came out for an impromptu poetry reading (something about
lesbian sex i think), and finished with an interesting version of stairway to
heaven with kaia. she is the funniest performer i've ever seen.

then there was amy.  it's not every day when you can go to a show and see a
performer of amy's caliber set up her equipment for 20 minutes, and watch
people take pictures of her *plugging stuff in*.  it was great.  she started
with johnny rottentale of course, which was intense and incredible.  before
she started, she told us that she wrote the song about a producer she and
emily had that she didn't like.  then she brought the butchies back out, who
had changed into dress shirts and ties that spelled out "gay" on their backs.
very funny.  amy was in an awesome mood.  i've never seen her smile so much
or talk so much during a show.  she seemed genuinely happy to be there, and
complimented the audience several times on how nice we were.  she looked
great too, and she had her shirt sleeve pulled up enough to see the hand
tattoo, which made me *very* happy.  at one point, she joked with the people
on the balcony about how it's better to take pictures from up there because
you can't see her double chin.  she played everything off of stag.  i have to
say, there isn't one song i don't love on this album.  lazyboy was a
highlight, the audience was silent and when she finished, everyone just kind
of sighed and said "wow".

i can't tell you how great it felt to look around me and see so many fans who
knew every word to every song she played.  the audience was very attentive
and polite.  we were packed in like sardines, and it was blazing hot in
there.  i'd advise all of you when you go to the next concerts to wear light
clothing.  i think it was sheer force of will that i didn't faint.  amy kept
me going all night!

all in all it was an amazing experience.  the butchies rocked, and were a
perfect fit for amy.  she was even wearing a butchies t-shirt.  if you
haven't gotten tickets for a show, do it!  you will be extremely happy you
did.  as a devotee of acoustic music, i wasn't sure if i would like this
show.  it was extremely different than an indigo girls concert, but in a good
way.  it was great to see amy doing her own thing.  and thanks to the
butchies,  i think i have a newfound love of lesbian punk music!

one thing though, was anyone else disappointed that she didn't play an
encore?  i was hoping with all my heart that she would play blood and fire.
i know she really doesn't play it any more and she wasn't doing ig songs in
general, but i could have sworn i read in an article that she played blood
and fire at one of the concerts recently.  maybe i'm hallucinating.

well, that's all, sorry this was so long.  i am just so excited and happy, i
couldn't stop typing.  now it's time to go revive my hearing.

elise

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date:         fri, 6 apr 2001 16:28:16 -0700
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rose polenzani used to live in santa barbara, but doesn't anymore.

>>and boston resident rose polenzani.

what?  i thought she lived in california.

elaine


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as the boston in store is tomorrow (*and* i just printed 75 "kind requests"
for duncan - you thought i was joking...)  how many songs did amy do? how
many people showed up?

blah, i'm tired - big weekend coming up!!!!

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hkf's!,

well it happend! amy ray played a solo show in new york city and i was
there!!!

whoo, whoo!

it was great. this was my fisrt exposure to the butchies, who just compleatly
rocked. i love the lead singer, she has a billy joe (from green day) way
about her guitar playing, she has a great stage presence and to look in her
eyes ( i was really close) you can see something special is happening there
that we are not privey to.

then.... it was amy's turn to rock!

and rock she did.

i'm not going to bore you with a set list, it was the entire stag cd,
including a kick ass version of "hey castrator" where just about everyone in
the city was on stage for.

the most memerable part of the show for me however was a quiet moment shared
by over 1,000 people.

when amy played "lazyboy" the entire audiance was compleatly quiet. a pin
droping silence left a pasture of space for amy to fill with her song, and
that's just what she did. there was no chatter, no one singing along, no
wispers or giggles or loud "whooo!!!" sounds during the song.... including
the wistle solo!

it was in a word.... perfect.

way to go ny!

way to go amy!

....and nancy.... nice meeting you =)

joe
brooklyn,ny

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well, i'm so tired that i am barely able to type.  i just got home from
seeing jonatha brooke at the wow hall in eugene oregon.  it was a very good
show.  any other listees in attendance?  for any other jb fans, i should
have a setlist typed up over the weekend.  email me and i will send it to
you.  :^)   for those of you who are not yet enlightened to the ways of the
always lovely jonatha brooke, i highly recommend you check out her new album
"steady pull".  it's kinda funky, kinda folky, but always fun!  and besides,
she's just soo darn nice!  she very kindly autographed all six of her cd's
for me. and she even wrote unique little comments on each of them. :^)

but wait, there is even a little bit of amy ray content here, as she will be
playing at the wow hall on the 25th of this very month! ( i better order my
tickets soon!).  so here is my question... in the more intimate shows, has
amy been doing the whole autograph thing afterwards?  the wow hall usually
has a table set up out front, and the three times i've seen jb there, she
has come out afterwards and sat at the table and signed stuff for people.
thus i'm hoping that amy will do the same.  whadda ya figure my chances are?

chris m. wilson

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i was just wondering if anyone booted this show??  since this was the place
that the great indigo girls boot came from.  the show was great!!  amy was in
such good spirits.  it was also awesome to watch her set up her own
equipment.  she is so down to earth and not big headed at all.   i had an
awesome time.

sandy

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i'm writing a message that hopefully will get to the people at daemon
records, and make them rethink ever booking a show at the bowery ballroom
in nyc again. i had 4 tickets for the show last night. myself, and three
friends (all over 18) showed up around 8:45/9:00pm. we had ridden the
path, and taken a subway to get there. when one of my friends gave the
doorman, kenny, her ticket, he asked to see her id. she, because she is
somewhat scatterbrained, had forgotten to bring one. this would be okay we
thought because she looks older than 18 anyway, and we knew that daemon
had managed to make some tickets available for the under 18 crowd, so it
probably shouldn't be too big of a problem. well, we tried to reason with
kenny. he asked my friend questions, and was very aggressive in his manner
of speaking to her. my friend explained to him how we had driven to newark
and took the path, and forgot to bring her id. he asked, how old are
you? she said 19, then he said, no, you hesitated, which was not true. he
said how could you drive without your id? my friend's girlfriend told him
that she was the one who drove. the doorman then glared at my friend
without id and said, you just told me you drove here. this was an
incredibly outrageous response. then i said, can we please talk to the
manager. he promptly leans over and gets into my face (he was probably at
least 6ft tall, and i am barely over 5ft) and raises his voice as he says
to me, you want to see the manager. i said, yes can we please see the
manager, he (still staring at me from above) bellows ok! he brings out
some other guy with a ponytail who asks, what's going one here. my friend
tried to explain how she hadn't thought to bring her id. the guy with the
ponytail says, in a rather obnoxious tone of voice, well it says right
there on the ticket you need id, which is true. i spoke up because i had
bought the tickets, and my friend did not have one before we got to the
show so she didn't know she needed her id. then my friend's girlfriend
says to the guy, look, i'm her girlfriend, i'm 21, i can vouch for her,
she's 19. the guy with the ponytail, still extremely obnoxious, says to
the girlfriend, i don't like your attitude, she (referring to my friend
without id) can go in, but you can't. which means that id really wasn't
necessary if he could let someone in without it. then he turns around and
leaves while we're all staring in disbelief. then, knowing we (my friends
and i)wouldn't be able to get anywhere, talked to eachother and decided
that the girl without id and her girlfriend were just going to sell their
tickets, and wander around the city together. even though we had already
been treated so badly, this was a show i had wanted to see since the
second i knew amy ray was going to be making a solo album and touring to
support it. she is one of my favorite musicians, and being able to make
this show really meant a lot to me, but this previous abuse of power was
only the tip of the iceberg. so the remaining friend and i, along with a
girl who was tagging along with us to meet some other friends there, went
back to the door with our tickets and ids. i gave the kenny, the doorman,
my ticket and id. he made a point to scrutinize my id for a solid minute,
at least. i can understand that if i had a 21+ id, as i look young, but i
didn't because i'm 20. then he finally hands me back the id with the
ticket. i took it back out of his hand which annoyed him, and he stands in
front of me, blocking me from going farther. he, again in a raised voice,
says, i don't like your attitude, you snatched that ticket away from me,
you can't go in. in complete disbelief, i ask what? he says in a hate
ridden, obnoxious tone of voice, you snatched the ticket away from me, you
have an attitude you can't go in. i'll state now that although this man
was obviously trying to instigate me, and get a rise out of me, he failed,
as others who watched the scene at the door can attest to. i said to him,
as nicely as possible, because i know that any other tone of voice would
be the nail in the coffin, i'm a paying customer, i have a ticket and i
have an id, can i please go in. he says, no you have an attitude. in an
effort to placate him, because this show really did mean a lot to me, and
i wanted to salvage any chance of seeing it, i told him i'm sorry if i
snatched the ticket away from you, i was just in shock from what happened
to my friends. i don't have an attitude, i just want to see the show. this
prompts him to step up to me, and again, shove his face into mine, and
loudly tells me, you have an attitude, and if i let you in there you can
start a riot with the people around you. what, i asked him, more shocked
than anything. he says, you can't go in. i said, ok, can i please speak to
the manager. he said no, and then started to take tickets from the people
behind us waiting to get in. i said, then can i please have my money
back. he told me no, and showed me on the back of the ticket where it says
"this ticket is a revocable license which may be revoked at any time for
any reason." this doesn't say anything about not refunding a ticket. the
people that he was now taking tickets from, who had watched the entire
scene unfold, asked me if there was anything they could do for me. i asked
them if they could please find a manager to send out here that i could
talk to. about 10 minutes later one finally came out, a different manager
from before, not the one with a ponytail. he pulled me aside, and unlike
anyone else who i had dealt with before was talking in a normal tone of
voice, explaining the situation to me. he was telling me about how the
bowery ballroom is liable for all sorts of situations, including people
getting drunk and then dying on the way home, people getting into fights,
people who trip and fall while they are waiting in line, etc. this man was
perfectly reasonable and rational even though there is another clause on
the back of the ticket which states "holder of this ticket voluntarily
assumes all risks and danger incidental to any event for which this ticket
is isssued whether occurring prior to, during or subsequent to the actual
event." this means that the bowery is in fact not liable for anything. i
didn't just find that out until now, but back to what was happening. i was
relieved that i was finally talking to someone who i could have a normal
conversation with. had this show been by practically any other performer,
i would have given up long ago when my other friends were turned away, and
just left. so i explained to the rational man, that okay, i understand
where the doorman is coming from now. i didn't realize the situtation the
bowery was in, etc. i was being very understanding, not complaining of my
treatment by the doorman, just trying against all hopes to find a way to
get into the show. the man told me okay, well i can't let you in, you have
to talk to the doorman, and apologize to him (for doing nothing even
remotely wrong), and hope that he lets you in. i was ready to go back to
the doorman (forget any shred of dignity i may have ever had in my
life) and explain to him, i'm sorry i didn't know what situation the
bowery was in, i now understand the kind of job he (the doorman kenny) had
to do, i'm sorry for making him think i had an attitude, etc etc etc. well
before i even had a chance to be turned away again by kenny, the tagalong
decides to say to this manager in a disgusted manner, well if the doorman
didn't have an attitude in the first place...the manager then said to her,
as if she had any connection to me, see now that's an attitude, and you
girls can't go in. there go all my efforts, all my dignity, and all my
hope of getting into the show. i was completely astounded at what
happened. i didn't know what to do, i had no recourse, i couldn't get my
ticket refunded, nothing. i was treated abusively by someone who decided
he didn't like the way i took my ticket from his hand, who wouldn't listen
to me when i made an attempt at apologizing for something i didn't do, who
attempted to instigate me into a verbal fight by raising his voice,
leaning over me, glaring at me, and dismissing my request to see anybody
in charge. the rest of the night i kept asking myself, and the friend who
i was with, did i do anything wrong, did i say anything, was there
anything at all that i had done that could have caused this. did i do
anything to bring this kind of abusive behavior onto myself. i couldn't
think of any instance where i had acted in any illogical/aggresive manner
that would have brought even a little bit of reaction from this doorman
against me. there were other people at the door who were in as much
disbelief as i was. i just don't understand what happened, did the doorman
have a bad day and take it out on me? i did nothing to deserve this, i was
abused aggresively by a man who used ever means of his to intimidate me
(he succeeded at that), and tried to engage me in some kind of aggresive
reaction to him (he failed at that.) i don't know what to do. i missed the
only amy ray show i could make for no reason. the show i had been looking
forward to for months and months. i want to write to the owner of the
venue and hopefully get some response. my ticket won't even be refunded. i
just don't know what to say or do. is there anything i can do? i've never
been this abused, intimidated, distressed, and overwhelmed by the meaness
of anybody before. that was one of the worst experiences i've ever had in
my life. the only thing i can think to do is urge the people at daemon to
please rethink ever booking aything at this place again. nothing now will
change what happened last night, but hopefully in the future, maybe the
word of their egregiously obnoxious and abusive behavior towards anyone
for no reason will get out, and they will lose business. i'm still
extremely distressed and depressed at what happened, and for missing this
show for no fault of my own. no one should have to go through what i went
through. i know this was a long message, but i just felt that i had to get
this out, and let everyone know what happened. what happened was wrong.
rebecca bergknoff

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so, who all played on "hey castrator"? do tell? how was the crowd response,
in general?

thanks!

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