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ig-news-digest          friday, march 2 2001          volume 04 : number 036

today's subjects:
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  [ig-news] amy's openers               [flora brown <flora_brown@brown.edu>]
  [ig-news] sigc-daemon/dug/stag 7 "                          [gecie@aol.com]
  [ig-news] daemonrecords.com (amy content)  ["amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.]
  [ig-news] talkcity chat with amy, march 6  [sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au]
  [ig-news] check out gay.com family: interview with amy ray  [accoats@aol.c]
  [ig-news] gay.com amy article             [sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>]

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date: thu, 01 mar 2001 13:27:17 -0500
from: flora brown <flora_brown@brown.edu>
subject: [ig-news] amy's openers

the openers for the amy & the butchies tour are listed on the mr lady's
(the record label) webpage : http://www.mrlady.com/tour.html#butchies

looks like tami hart for the first half of the tour, then rose polenzani
the second.  :)

peace, flora

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date: thu, 1 mar 2001 13:12:44 est
from: gecie@aol.com
subject: [ig-news] sigc-daemon/dug/stag 7 "

[sherlyn's note: this message was originally sent to the indigo
girls mailing list at netspace.org.]


got this from a friend & thought i'd send it out on here

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going to get the 7 inch on tuesday??

hello.  dug is doing a small piece for the upcoming newsletter on the
special daemon records promo 7 inch that goes with the stag album to be
release on tuesday, march 6th. this is where you come in!  we need your
help!  we want you to document your 7 inch experience on film!  if any of
you are planning to go and pick up your copy -- wait in line for the
store
to open, zip away on your lunch hour etc.  take a camera and snap a few
for
us.  we could make you famous!  we are looking for all kinds of shots.
shots of the line outside the store.  a picture of you being handed the 7
inch from the cashier.  you and your friends being silly and punchy at
5am
while waiting...and waiting... whatever.  just remember, if you send us a
photo we might use it!  so pick a good one and send it on to us at daemon
underground, p.o. box 21521, oakland, ca 94620.

the duggers  =)
(photos will be used in the print copy of the upcoming dug
newsletter/zine
to be release in june.)

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date: thu, 1 mar 2001 15:22:06 -0700
from: "amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu>
subject: [ig-news] daemonrecords.com (amy content)

[sherlyn's note: this message was originally sent to the indigo
girls mailing list at netspace.org.]

hey y'all,

i hadn't seen this mentioned yet, so for those of you who haven't visited
the amy ray portion of daemonrecords.com, they've retooled it recently,
with music and everything.

they've got videos of amy and 1945 in the studio and one where you can
"meet kaia from the butchies". a couple sections, like the poster and
diary sections are "coming soon", but what they have so far is pretty
cool.

just fyi,
amy m.

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"we are not empty-headed celebrities."
                -the goddess, amy ray

"women together is a powerful thing, especially when you join it with
music."
                -the goddess, emily saliers

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date: fri, 2 mar 2001 17:10:45 +1100 (est)
from: sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
subject: [ig-news] talkcity chat with amy, march 6

hey folks,

>from www.talkcity.com...

tuesday, march 6 - 6:00pm pt      
chat with amy ray!
amy ray of the indigo girls discusses her solo album, "stag."

cheers,
sherlyn

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date: fri, 2 mar 2001 01:06:47 est
from: accoats@aol.com
subject: [ig-news] check out gay.com family: interview with amy ray

[sherlyn's note: this message was originally sent to the indigo
girls mailing list at netspace.org.  i'll forward the article
along in a minute...]

hey guys-- sorry if this has already been posted-- check it out! take care--
ashley     <a
href="http://content.gay.com/channels/home/women/010301_amy_ray.html?from=women">click here: gay.com family: interview with amy ray</a>

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date: fri, 2 mar 2001 17:44:57 +1100 (est)
from: sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
subject: [ig-news] gay.com amy article

hey folks,

here's the article that ashley mentioned, from gay.com
(http://content.gay.com/channels/home/women/010301_amy_ray.html)

- -sherlyn

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indigo girl amy ray goes stag with solo, indie album

by shannon wentworth
gay.com network

after 10 years producing indie albums on her socially and
politically conscious label, daemon records, amy ray finally
recorded herself. the result is stag, a fusion of folk and
punk, that's angry and earnest.

>from the classic rock rebellion of the opening track,
"johnny rottentail," to the infectious pop song "black heart
today," ray creates an album that's more than an indigo girls
album with all amy songs. stag is the work of an artist
freeing herself from the confines of a major label and the
harmonies of the indigo girls.

stag was inspired by a stack of songs ray wrote that didn't
sound like indigo girls' songs, but she also wrote several
songs while she was recording the album. ray's collaboration
with bands like the butchies and rock*a*teens changed the
sound of stag. the result is a true indie record, fearless,
gutsy and passionate.

producing stag on her own label gave ray the opportunity to
speak out about the sexism of the music industry and
imagemakers, like jan wenner, publisher of rolling stone. in
"lucystoners," ray lambastes the white boy's network, while
asserting a do-it-yourself feminist message. the result is
a grungy, punk-pop song that would stick out like a sore
thumb on an indigo girls' album.

recently, gay.com spoke with amy ray about stag, songs emily
didn't like and the state of women's rights.

is this the beginning of the end of the indigo girls?

no, it's not. i think that it's pretty obvious that we are
united and moving ahead.

does emily have any solo projects in the works?

no, not yet, but i think she'll do something.

where does the women's suffragist influence in your music
come from?

it's probably coming from the fact that i read a lot of
history of the women's movement in the last couple of years
because my girlfriend is a feminist activist. i got a
reading list from her and started reading. i'm just an avid
reader, when i have time, and we would share books.
(jennifer baumgardner, amy ray's girlfriend, wrote manifesta:
young women, feminism and the future.)

i guess i'm pretty aware of feminism, i mean i always have
been, but just naturally at this time it's coming out in my
music more.

we (women) are in a weird place in the united states, i think
we've made a certain number of strides and there's a lot of
stuff that we've progressed on superficially, in that,
there's a language for things. there's a way to articulate
things. there's laws to protect women in certain ways. i
think the fact that we don't have equal pay, that's a really
big deal to me, that there's not an era (equal rights
amendment) so to speak or any real muscle behind equal pay
for women. and the fact that it's hard for us to even
realistically think about a woman president, as a nation i
mean, people in the nation always assume it's going to be a
man in a mainstream kind of world. to me, that means we are
just not there yet. the idea of equal rights is equal access,
and we just don't have it yet. but i think that what we do
have is a language and an awareness of what we should be
going for, and i think that's a first step and really neat.

i see a lot of young visionaries, women in their 20s and
teens, who really think about things and won't take no for
answer and if the system fails create your own kind of
autonomy, and i think that's really exciting. i think it
means we've gotten somewhere.

i'm interested in women looking beyond their own countries and
trying to unify about what's going on everywhere else, like
sweatshops, repression and how it ties in with international
women's rights. i think that when we can reach out to them and
help them in their struggles it furthers our own.

in the song "lucystoners," you really lay into jann wenner.
what's your beef with him?

well, i wasn't singling him out because i have a beef only
with him. to me he symbolizes a huge good-old-boy network of
the rock industry. and being the head honcho of rolling stone
magazine, and rolling stone magazine being the barometer
sometimes of where women stand and how women are treated in
the rock world.

has there been pressure on the indigo girls to get the kind of
coverage that rolling stone gives artists like jennifer lopez
or sheryl crow?

i don't think we have the looks for it. i don't deny jennifer
lopez, or christina or britney the right to appear how they
want to appear. i just don't have a problem with it. it's so
much bigger than what does the person look like on the cover.
it's more like, is that consistently the only way they'll
present women. will they present that, but they won't present
the other side? how many women writers are on the editorial
board? who do they pick to review the records? it's the way
that things are done and the way that women are presented and
whether they are given equal access to the same kind of
criticism that men are given.

(rolling stone has) a lot of covers that are women, but it's
just a certain kind of woman.  and they don't give any
credence to the other side of things, and that's what bothers
me.

i don't think boys need to be attractive to be on the cover,
but i think that is changing. i think boys are starting to be
affected by this as much as girls in some ways. there's
unrealistic images of men in modeling as well, most of the
guys i know don't have broad shoulders and an 18-inch waist.
there's unrealistic imaging on both sides.

britney and christina, they don't really bother me. they're
entertainers. but that's not what me and emily did, it's not
what we set out to do, we went down a different path. we were
never pressured to do anything like that, but at the same
time our lack of radio success is due to the fact that i think
our label and the industry doesn't know how to deal with
strong women.

stag is your rebellious, punk album. it seems like you are
releasing some frustration after being on a major label for
10 years...

well, i think i could do whatever i want on epic, pretty much.
i wouldn't say they've limited us. but in the parameters of my
partnership with emily, i probably can't do whatever i want.
(laughs) you know, i can do pretty much what i want, but you
know anytime you are in a partnership you have to compromise a
little bit.

people usually want to do solo records because they want to
express a side of themselves that's not getting expressed. for
me, i needed to express that side of me that's more influenced
by the punk world and the independent world where it's a lot of
do-it-yourself, low-budget projects. you're not going for radio
necessarily, it's like a non-commercial kind of venture, and the
ideas are more singular in their focus.

i think that when emily and i do something together it influences
the scene no matter what, just because we've been together a long
time and we both bring our own personalities to the table and it
influences each other's songs.  so i think for me to do something
alone without any of that going on is great. it kind of frees me
up and allows me to look at my writing and everything separate
from emily. because when you play with someone for 20 years,
everything that you see is through that lens. it was really good
from me to not have to do that. and it's probably going to make
my writing better for indigo girls. probably make me have more
clarity in what i'm doing.

with indigo girls with the last couple records, i'd be in the
studio with emily struggling to try to fit this rock-punk song
into an indigo girls kind of structure. emily can play guitar
with anything, she's just got that, but the players that we play
with aren't necessarily from the same world that i would draw
from. and when i bring them in, it's a different world, it's not
a world they feel as comfortable in and so it's harder in every
way. so i would end up not doing some of the stuff i wanted to
do or feeling like "god, what i'm doing right now it's not what
the indigo girls need to be doing right now, there's not enough
harmony, there's not enough this, there's not enough that." so
now, i have a place to put all that stuff.

are there any songs that you brought to the indigo girls that
emily just said, "uh-uh?"

(laughs) nah, cause i pretty much know what she'd say no to,
so i don't even waste my time.  emily's very open. she's not a
prude or anything, you know. as different as we are, we are
pretty much on the same page. it's not always theme, it's like
this song doesn't lend itself to two voices singing in harmony
or this song is not going to sound right with the indigo girls
band because they have to know how to play emily's stuff and my
stuff, and to play emily's stuff you need to be more
intellectually...your technicality...you probably can't be a
punk player and play emily's stuff.  and a lot of emily's
players couldn't play punk stuff, they just can't do it, they
can't make that leap. (laughs) we have this middle ground that
we just have to find.

but a song like "lucystoners," you know, i played it for emily,
but i never intended indigo girls to do it. because i knew it
would be something that she might bristle at, and i was right
about that. i could tell it wouldn't be a song we would be
learning together. (laughs)

i couldn't see "lucystoners" as an indigo girls' song, but a
song like "lazyboy" has an indigo girls feel to it, in fact it
seems more like an emily song than an amy song?

yeah, "lazyboy" we could do. and we may, at some point, do our
own arrangement of it. but what i was going for was something
where it was two of me, two of me playing guitar and two of me
singing to get that kind of haunted feel. if you had both me
and emily doing that, it would give it more of a
jazzy-kinda-duo feel, and i'm not sure i would want it colored
that way.

what about a song like "laramie?" melissa etheridge did a
matthew shepard song on breakdown...

yeah, hers is like so much more literal than i'd want to be. i
think it's good and everything, but what i was trying to go for
was a song about hate in general, not just about homophobia,
but about classism too, about who's to blame in society and
who's complicit.  it's also these people in the higher echelons
of the financial bracket who think they are so damned
progressive, but they never do anything to really help anybody
out. they sort of think they are tolerant of gay people, because
they have a gay person in their yoga class or something.
(laughs) it takes a lot more than that. you've got to speak out,
you've got to work and vote and really try to make a difference
for people. a lot of times there's these hidden attitudes that
no one ever expresses that nurture an environment of hate.  and
then some kid goes off and murders somebody else and they all
act so surprised about it, but we all contributed to it because
we didn't do anything to change our attitude in general. we
allowed that extra little room that person needed to feel ok
about what they were doing or to carry their anger out in this
way. and i think classism itself breeds a certain amount of
fighting among the oppressed groups, with people groveling for
the little that they are given. i think it's something we all
need to think about and work on. so that song was supposed to
deal with a lot more than (matthew shepard), that's why i say,
"this town ain't nothing different." it could happen anywhere.

how many records do you have left on epic? are you eager to get
out of that contract?

we have two more records on epic. some days we want out and
some days we just don't care.  they don't really support us
anymore, but they don't try to stop us.

what's next for the indigo girls? the next indigo girls' album
comes out in 10 months. we start recording in july. the next
album is going to be more acoustic.

who were your role models growing up?

when i was really young it was a few of my elementary school
teachers who i really liked, they were women, and david
cassidy. (laughs)

i wouldn't say i had super political role models early, early
on. i listened to a lot of music from the 60s and 70s and i had
a real sort of obvious affection for that idea of community and
a why can't we all just get along kind of thing, give peace a
chance and all that stuff.  so when i was really young, i was
kind of a hippie. and then my role models in the music world
were mostly like independent bands and people doing their own
projects, really a lot of people who are unknown on the atlanta
scene.

stag arrives in record stores on march 6. you can also purchase
it from www.daemonrecords.com.

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