lifeblood: listlogs: 2001v04n135-news


ig-news-digest        wednesday, august 1 2001        volume 04 : number 135

today's subjects:
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  [ig-news] las vegas article w/ emily  [diane weidenkopf <dweiden@ix.netcom]
  [ig-news] lifeblood site                 [carolyn <underdog@earthlink.net>]
  [ig-news] 1 ticket available for bethlehem show  [susan brill <susan.brill]
  [ig-news] 2 wolf trap tixs for sale       [heidi smith <indigokat@aol.com>]
  [ig-news] amy article from usatoday  [diane weidenkopf <dweiden@ix.netcom.]
  [ig-news] saratoga review            [amy swenson <amy_indigirl@yahoo.com>]
  [none]                                                 [lisa071573@aol.com]
  [ig-news] san diego                                    [lisa071573@aol.com]
  [ig-news] re: vegas review anyone?                           [gram@asu.edu]
  [ig-news] re: tabs and lyrics for late bloom             [hunterj1@aol.com]
  [ig-news] chords for late bloom  [john ihnat <scotchandpoetry@hotmail.com>]

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date: fri, 27 jul 2001 19:45:18 -0500
from: diane weidenkopf <dweiden@ix.netcom.com>
subject: [ig-news] las vegas article w/ emily

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>from the las vegas sun website:

today: july 27, 2001 at 9:01:05 pdt

still a 'go

indigo girls fight for a place on music scene

by kirk baird
las vegas sun

sometimes success is all in the timing.

for the indigo girls, the opportunity couldn't have been much better.

formed in the early '80s, the acoustic-guitar driven duo were the
beneficiaries of a female folk-singer revival
later that decade that also gave rise to such diverse artists as suzanne
vega, tracy chapman, sinead oconnor,
shawn colvin and melissa etheridge.

not wanting to be left out of the latest musical trend, epic records
signed the indigo girls in 1988 and released
the band's first major-label album the following year. the record was a
success the duos biggest to date
reaching double-platinum status based in large part to the
soul-searching single "closer to fine."

it wasn't long before the indigo girls, who perform tonight at mandalay
bay's beach, were the most recognizable folk duo from the '80s.

but times changed and so have the band's fortunes, apparently.

"now we can't get people to return our phone calls at the record
company," said emily saliers, who, along with amy ray, makes up the
indigo girls.

to what extent if any saliers was joking was never really made clear.

but in a recent phone interview from her home in atlanta, the
singer-guitarist was adamant that it's not just the record company
that's ignoring the band.
alternative radio, at one time the life blood of the indigo girls, has
also turned its back as well as to most of the other female folk artists
it helped promote.

"the thing was women like us and (others) were able to get some radio
play back in the day. (but) what's happened is the public's voice has
been eaten up by
commercialism and corporate control," saliers said. "what gets out there
in popular culture is not necessarily a reflection of what people would
listen to across
the board if they were offered more opportunities. and the music
experience suffers from that."

instead, for the time being stations have shifted their focus to a
younger male audience, she said, which means younger male bands are the
driving force of
alternative radio.

"it's creed, blink whatever and staind -- bands like that," saliers
said. "which is great; they've got their thing that they do that's
appealing. but there's not
enough diversity.

"if you're an alternative woman artist, forget it. you give me one
example of a woman alternative writer/artist doing well, and you
probably can't."

so where does that leave a band such as the indigo girls, or most of the
other artists from the late '80s folk "movement"? irrelevant or even
nonexistent, saliers
said, if one were to equate a band's worth to the amount of media
attention it receives.

"when you get a lot of coverage from the press, it seems like a big
movement is happening, and then it just disappears when the press stops
or when the radio
play stops," she said. "but in fact everybody just keeps plugging along
with their careers."

friends since their days in a high school choir class, saliers, 38, and
ray, 37, have made indigo girls their careers -- even changing
universities so they could
continue to play together.

although their musical approaches differ drastically -- saliers is the
more "folksy" of the two, with ray providing the "harder-edge" to the
group -- saliers
said the disparate styles are what lends the band its unusual sound.

there's also the nearly angelic harmonies; voices blending so well
together it's impossible to imagine them mixed in with anyone else.

"i think it's kind of mystical, in a way, the balance," saliers said. "i
think i was fated to work with her. and we have a good balance
personally. when we come
off the road we don't hang out. we're not like buddies. we have some of
the same friends, but we allow each other space in our lives and it
works out really
well."

which is different than the public's perception. since both are openly
gay, there's often the assumption the two are in a relationship with
each other -- they
aren't -- or, at the very least, are always together.

saliers said the idea that she and ray hang out all the time because
they're in a band together is a bit "weird" to her.

"i'll be somewhere and someone might come up to me and ask, 'where's
amy?' i'll say, 'i don't know. i don't know where she is. she may be
tending her
garden; i live a long way away from her.' but i just think that's where
people's minds go first," she said.

other than the occasional social setting, benefit show or activist
gathering, saliers said she and ray rarely see each other away from
work. and even that's not
very frequent.

"early on in our career, amy and i made a decision about the quality of
our lives and decided that we're not going to be one of those bands that
does
everything: commercials, burns the candle at both ends and stays out on
the road for months and don't get to see our partners and our families,"
she said. "we
made a conscious decision to improve the quality of our lives by staying
home some and turning things down.

"maybe we suffered a little bit in terms of public exposure for that.
there's no doubt that our politics and our being gay has hurt us -- in
terms of a lot of
public exposure -- but i wouldn't have it any other way."

return to the referring page.
photo: the indigo girls
las vegas sun main page

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date: fri, 27 jul 2001 23:21:55 -0600
from: carolyn <underdog@earthlink.net>
subject: [ig-news] lifeblood site

hi,

i learned last weekend that some of the changes i made to lifeblood this
summer were causing mac users to have trouble reading the fonts on the site.
my apologies to all who were impacted, i have fixed the problem and uploaded
the changes and everything should be back to normal again.

in addition to the cosmetic changes to lifeblood, this summer the search
scripts have been rewritten and work has been done to make the information
on the site easier to use.  the html coding behind the scenes has also been
changed to make the site more accessible to those with disabilities (here is
a good resource if you are interested in getting more information on how to
do this:  http://www.cast.org/bobby).  last but not least, the amount of
space available for lifeblood has increased from 100mb to 200mb so expect to
see new material coming soon, including more scans of the old official fan
club snail mailings and of the old paper version of lifeblood.

thanks to everyone for your support of the site and have a super day,

carolyn

http://www.lifeblood.net

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date: mon, 30 jul 2001 14:36:55 -0400
from: susan brill <susan.brill@yale.edu>
subject: [ig-news] 1 ticket available for bethlehem show

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hi all,

i have one extra ticket for the bethlehem, pa show which i'd like to sell
for face value. i don't have all the details with me but it's a pretty good
deal because i paid for the vip membership so it's in the front section,
but i'm only asking for the ticket price itself (not the membership cost).
if you're interested let me know and i'll get all the details for you -
price (it's under $30 but i can't remember exactly what), and seat location
so you can make a final decision.

thanks all - i'm really enjoying all the stories about the shows. i can't
wait for bethlehem and northampton!

- -susan

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date: mon, 30 jul 2001 22:06:01 edt
from: heidi smith <indigokat@aol.com>
subject: [ig-news] 2 wolf trap tixs for sale

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hello

i have the following tixs for sale

front orchestra     row s     seats 25 and 26

asking face value plus ticketbastard charges.

please email as soon as possible if you want them

thanks

indi

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date: mon, 30 jul 2001 21:12:59 -0500
from: diane weidenkopf <dweiden@ix.netcom.com>
subject: [ig-news] amy article from usatoday

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what it feels like for a girl

  politics and recording industry evils--the indigo girls fight the good
fight

  by molly brown (molly.brown@vegas.com)

  when most people think of the indigo girls, they think folksy
  singer-songwriters. they think it's music for chicks. they think
lilith
  fair.

  but amy ray--half of the duo, emily saliers being the other--is
  certainly as much an edgy punk as a folkster. and nowhere was that
  more apparent than on her solo album, stag, released last fall.
  calling on other rockers like joan jett, kate schellenbach
  (ex-luscious jackson) and josephine wiggs (ex-breeders), as well
  as her back-up band, the butchies, it created quite a stir in the
music
  business. stag was a full-frontal attack, which contained songs that
  addressed matthew shepard's murder and paid tribute to feminists.

  the most shocking moment, however, came in a slam to the hand
  that helps to feed the indigo girls. when ray sang: "janny wenner,
  janny wenner/ rolling stone's most fearless leader/ gave the boys
  what they deserve/ but with the girls he lost his nerve," she
  shell-shocked the music biz from lowly critic to mr. west coast record

  producing man. the lyrics weren't so much a direct attack on rs's
  founder and publisher, but confronted the record industry on the
  whole.

  "there's been this huge movement lately with major label artists
  fighting for their rights," says ray. "it's interesting that the
artists
  who've really benefited from the major labels are really celebrities.
  it's a dilemma for me because i'm constantly being asked to be a
  part of this group. and they're right; the major labels are out of
  control. but on the other hand, it feels disingenuous. it's hard to
side with big stars because the majority
  of who is fighting, their career is down. if it was going well, would
they fight it?"

  no matter what anyone says about the indigo girls, they can't accuse
the ladies of hopping on the p.c.
  fight-the-man bandwagon that's so popular today with the lars ulrichs
of the world. since the group's first
  release in '85, the indigo girls have mixed politics with pleasing
harmonies, instead of assaulting the
  status quo with loud guitars and throbbing drumbeats. issues they've
tackled include gay rights, gun
  control, the environment and the music business. to put it mildly,
they've been the vocal equivalent of
  speaking softly while carrying a big stick for more than two
decades--which is something not many can
  claim.

  the irony to all this is that the indigo girls are signed to a huge
label--epic, which is now part of sony.
  and while ray and saliers consider themselves of having an indie
mindset, it's a battle all the same.

  "it's hard," says ray. "the label is, of course, out for profit. but
we can work for change from the inside
  out. we can never change the label's motive, but we can change how
they treat you, like what pearl jam
  did. but i know it's hard for the public to buy. it's kind of like
when the baseball players went on strike."

  epic hasn't been so cozy, though. signed in '88 in the midst of a
minor singer-songwriter movement with
  the likes of tracy chapman and 10,000 maniacs, the label was happy to
court the duo. the indigo girls
  managed to make it through hair metal, grunge and come out on the
other side of the river styx into
  sugary pop hell. though they've established a fiercely loyal fan base
and stayed afloat despite lack of
  radio or video exposure, the stresses were felt with the last album,
come on now social.

  "come on didn't do as well," says ray. "the record company fell off
its support. the fans appreciate us
  as a very focused duo--acoustically--and don't like to be drawn away
by electric guitars."

  not only did that album rock more, but ray took that further with
stag. the departure led to some
  disenchantment with fans, even rumors about the break-up of the indigo
girls. what ray's solo album
  really was, was a welcome break from the same-old stuff.

  "i've been playing with emily for over 20 years," says ray. "my strong
points are i can write certain kinds
  of songs and play acoustic. she can sing really great harmonies.
sometimes i get lazy and fall back on
  her abilities. i felt i had to challenge myself and grow. in any kind
of relationship, you have to break out
  to bring something back."

  for those disappointed with the past couple years' distractions, the
indigo girls are heading back to the
  studio this fall to record what they're known for--another acoustic,
rootsy-folk album--which should be out
  early in 2002. in addition to the indigo girls' own recording, ray
stays busy with her independent label,
  daemon records--a small operation that signs and promotes talented,
like-minded performers. staying
  immersed in the indie scene and working with fresh talent has kept ray
grounded--and it provides a
  great escape from the drudgeries of the corporate rock life.

  and working behind the scenes--knowing exactly how much that cd cost
to manufacture, or how much
  ticket prices have been bloated--makes ray want to fight the record
machine even more so. for her,
  hanging out with a punk band that charges $5 a show will always be
more appealing than sipping cristal
  with celebrities.

  "madonna can't look me in the face and say she needs to charge $200 a
ticket. she doesn't need
  it--she's like a billionaire. i just love her, but that really bums me
out."

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date: fri, 27 jul 2001 09:58:10 -0700
from: amy swenson <amy_indigirl@yahoo.com>
subject: [ig-news] saratoga review

[sherlyn's note: this is an excerpt of a message which was
originally sent to the indigo girls mailing list at
netspace.org.]

[...]

the girls looked really great; amy wore a diamond pattern brown and tan
shirt with blue jeans. emily wore the blue shirt from the fillmore and
black pants. (for the record, michelle had a cool blue tee shirt on
that was slit at the neck and an awesome sparkly belt buckle).

again, they were in great spirits. i wonder if travelling without a
band is slightly more relaxing for them? they seemed much more upbeat
and talkative this tour than the last one. *shrug* just a thought.

the setlist was really great. they played "prince of darkness" and
"world falls" - two great older surprises. "world falls" was requested
by karen's boyfriend, so the girls made a big deal out of that, which
was very cute.

i finally got to hear "lucystoners" acoustic, plus all the new songs.
(i surprised myself by knowing most of the words to all the new stuff -
how did that happen?)

since our little group was the only area dancing, we got a lot of eye
contact; more so than usual. that was cool. i was the one who requested
"lucystoners", and also "nuevo senioritas" (which i love) just before
they played it.

[...]

- --amy

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date: mon, 30 jul 2001 13:00:22 edt
from: lisa071573@aol.com
subject: [none]

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subject: anaheim show

ok i'm on digest so forgive me if anyone's already posted about anaheim :p

i really liked the sun theater except for the annoying bit about them
starting on time.... my sister and i were late (as usual) so we missed the
first song of michelle's set which was (we think) in the weeds (both our
favorite michelle song...) blah. anyway, michelle was looking very hot :) she
did three solo songs and then the band came out.... strength for two, the
edge, brand new dream (which she said was about going independent),
superball, 9 to 5 (the dolly parton song :p) and teen lament. she sounded
great and seemed to be enjoying herself :)

the gurls came on a little after 9:00 and played till 10:50. i think they had
an 11:00 curfew cause when we were leaving there was a club/rave thing going
on that was about to start and there were tons of people funneling in as we
were trying to exit.... very odd. anyway, amy and emily seemed in good
spirits even though the crowd was very noisy... lots of yelling and screaming
during songs... my sister and i were up in the front section (thanks to derek
who sent me the tickets :) and we could see pretty well.
setlist:
least complicated
3 hits
power of 2
gone again (w/ michelle)
virginia woolf
i don't wanna know (w/ michelle)
deconstruction of love
shame on you (w/ michelle)
get out the map
starkville
watershed
yield
em solo: philosophy of loss (w/ a bit about organized religion and nature :)
faye tucker (by request)
closer to fine
kid fears
mystery
ozilline (w/ michelle)
amy solo: new song about her struggling with her southerness
she's saving me
galileo (the non-encore)

i really liked all the new songs... the new amy one was really good and went:
it took a long time to / become the thing / i am to you / and you won't /
tear it apart / without a fight / without a heart

amy said that she had a lot of southern friends that she had battles over the
flag with.

anyway, i was really surprised when they did watershed :) and i booted the
show but don't e-mail me about it now.... i'll post later after the san diego
shows :)
lisa

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date: tue, 31 jul 2001 12:25:29 edt
from: lisa071573@aol.com
subject: [ig-news] san diego

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here's a brief recap on san diego show #2:
michelle opened up and rocked out :)
lots and lots of audience chatter :(  (tell me again why people go to shows
to drink and just talk?)
setlist in no particular order cause i haven't done the setlist from the tape
yet....
get out the map, gone again, shame on you, mystery, ozilline, prince of
darkness (by request i think), reunion, closer to fine, starkville, she's
saving me, yield, deconstruction of love, chickenman (with the bitterroot
river verses), three hits, virginia woolf, devotion, galileo and kid fears
(the non-encores)

that's all i can remember off the top of my head :p tonight i'm assuming will
be better since i have a front row ticket (thanks to darling amy swenson :)
:) lisa

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date: sun, 29 jul 2001 13:20:44 -0700
from: gram@asu.edu
subject: [ig-news] re: vegas review anyone?

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the vegas show went great as always.  i think amy and emily just talk a good
game when it comes to playing vegas.  i have seen them 3 times there now and
they always put on a great show and seem to enjoy it.  i actually prefer to see
them there and i am not into the vegas scene at all.

they played on mandelay beach which means that everyone wore their bathing
suits and brought their towels along.  one could either stand knee deep in
water in the wave pool just in front of the stage (ig were separated from the
waders by some speakers) or one could just sit back on the sand and relax.
there was a nice monsoonlike wind blowing through the palm trees to take the
edge off of the warm desert air.  behind the stage were large torchlike fires
which a&e said made it feel like they were in dante's inferno.  emily made a
remark about the back of the speakers that separated them from the crowd
saying "no step", like they were just going to jump on them and start jamming
and amy said "it kept them from showboatin'".  emily remarked that they were
going to obey the mandelay rules, otherwise she and amy would be out there
wailing away.  let's see they played marco polo with some of the people in the
pool.  it was probably one of the best if not the best ig concert i have ever
seen.  everyone was very relaxed and enjoying the surroundings listening to the
show with the sound of the waves in the background.  they played closer to
fine, land of canaan, hammer & a nail plus watershed, galileo, chickenman,
three hits, reunion, power of two, shame on you (no banjo), get out the map,
gone again, and devotion among the ones that i can remember plus 2 new ones by
both amy and emily each that have been previously mentioned on the list.  emily
said neither one of her songs has a title as of yet.  i did managed to get a
decent boot of the show which i am going to learn to how to transfer to cd and
clean up and then i will offer it to the list...just give me a little time.

gram

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date: mon, 30 jul 2001 10:24:50 edt
from: hunterj1@aol.com
subject: [ig-news] re: tabs and lyrics for late bloom

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have been posted here yet or not...]

>from a previous post to the list:

late bloom
i won't be a pawn
we roughed it up when we were young
i won't say "so much for that,
what do you do when it is done?"
cause i know we grow,
when it's over
i used to dream
with all the force of soylent green.
lazy geese and the weather warm.
oh my life of humidity.
but i know we grow,
when it's over.
all that time
i spent walking behind.
i don't mind,
cause now i know.
they ran us out of town.
oh come on, they cut us down,
raised the flag of fealty,
oh the life of futility.
but i know we grow,
when it's over
all that time
you were walking the line.
i don't mind,
cause now i know.
we grow when it's over,
we grow.

for all y'all guitar players:

be warned, this is a rough estimation...

late bloom

capo 4

(am)i won't be a (e)pawn
(f)we roughed it up when (c)we were young
(am)i won't say "so (e)much for that"
(f)what do you do when (c)it is done?

cause i (f)know
we (c)grow
(e)when it's (f)over

i used to dream
with all the force of solyent green
lazy geese and the weather warm
oh my life of humidity

but i know
we grow
when it's over

(e)all that (am)time
(e)i spent (am)walking behind
(e)i don't (am)mind
cause (g)now (f)i (e)know

they ran us out of town
oh come on they cut us down
raised the flag of the fealty
oh the life of futility

but i know
we grow
when it's over

all that time
you were walking the line
i don't mind
cause now i know

(f)we grow (c)when it's over
(e)when it's (f)over

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date: mon, 30 jul 2001 16:57:30 -0400
from: john ihnat <scotchandpoetry@hotmail.com>
subject: [ig-news] chords for late bloom

[sherlyn's note: this message was originally sent to the indigo
girls mailing list at netspace.org.  this follows on from the
last message...]

regarding the last post with the lyrics and chords for "late bloom": it
works out to more-or-less the same thing, but for accuracy's sake, amy plays
these chords as barre chords -- i.e. without the capo, so the verses are:

c#min, ab, a, e (this e is a 5th string barre at the 7th fret)

etc.  these chords are written out on a page of amy's tour diary on the
daemon site.

happy strumming y'all.

john

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