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date: mon, 8 jul 2002 00:48:02 edt
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in a message dated 7/7/2002 6:56:09 pm mountain daylight time,
kathrin_siegmund@gmx.de writes:

> "doctor doctor
> are you unkind"
> ---> i believe on entering a concentration camp the people were
> subjected to an examination by a "doctor" and he decided whether they
> were strong enough to work in the camp (digging graves...) or were too
> weak and were gonna be killed pretty much right away... the "are you
> unkind" question, i think, refers to the perversity of the situation: a
> doctor, someone who's supposed to heal people, condemning them to
> their deaths
>
josef mengele, the infamous "angel of death" was, ironically enough, a
medical doctor in auschwitz-birkenau. i have met a survivor who actually
passed through his "selection" when she was fifteen. he also performed
various medical experiments on twins and physically and mentally disabled
people, such as physiological responses to temperature extremes. the purpose
of these particular experiments was to see what happened to the human body
when water temperature was raised or lowered, and then at what temperature
point they died.
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in a message dated 7/7/2002 6:56:09 pm mountain daylight time, kathrin_siegmund@gmx.de writes:

"doctor doctor
are you unkind"
---> i believe on entering a concentration camp the people were
subjected to an examination by a "doctor" and he decided whether they
were strong enough to work in the camp (digging graves...) or were too
weak and were gonna be killed pretty much right away... the "are you
unkind" question, i think, refers to the perversity of the situation: a
doctor, someone who's supposed to heal people, condemning them to
their deaths

josef mengele, the infamous "angel of death" was, ironically enough, a medical doctor in auschwitz-birkenau. i have met a survivor who actually passed through his "selection" when she was fifteen. he also performed various medical experiments on twins and physically and mentally disabled people, such as physiological responses to temperature extremes. the purpose of these particular experiments was to see what happened to the human body when water temperature was raised or lowered, and then at what temperature point they died.
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date: mon, 8 jul 2002 01:40:59 edt
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ok.. we finally give up on being able to make it to portland for the show,
so.........
i have two pairs of tickets in the second row at schnitzer hall. they are
in orchestra c. two are seats 5&6 and the others seats 13&14. first come
first serve. i am asking what i paid ticketmaster. $89.00 for each pair.
logistics note: the tickets are currently in olympia, washington.(which is
between seattle and portland) i mailed them to friends to take to portland
but they can't go now either. they can meet at either seattle show and do a
deal or try to make some other arrangements to meet.
please e-mail me privately and we can make arrangements.
thanks...
bummed in atl
mel and julie
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date: mon, 8 jul 2002 08:27:30 -0400
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subject: birthdays! (july 8th - july 14th, 2002)
post-holiday birthday fuzzes to the following listees!!!!!!!!!!!
july 8 ('75)
abstein@force.stwing.upenn.edu (audrey beth stein)
"oh the fear i've known that i might reap the praise of strangers and
end up on my own....oh i knew back then it was a calling that said
if joy then pain the sound of the voice these years later is still
the
same" --emily saliers
"i owe my life to the people that i love" --ani difranco
july 9 ('63)
pjbattle@earthlink.net (pj)
"look yourself in the eye before you drown..."
july 10
ssteffen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (suzi steffen)
"signals cross and love gets lost and time passed makes it plain..."
july 10
knave4@aol.com (shana)
july 12
indigowomyn@ruralcom.net (toye)
"...when you hate me, i can still love you."
--amy ray
july 14
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"there i am in younger days, star gazing
painting picture perfect maps
of how my life and love would be"

be safe. be real. be true.
have fun :)
love and devotion,
audra
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beyond the reach of other desires. no-one can legislate love;
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to itself, deaf to pleading and unmoved by violence. love is
not something you can negotiate. love is the one thing stronger
than desire and the only proper reason to resist temptation."
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date: mon, 8 jul 2002 08:45:06 -0500
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well, sorry this is a few days late but i had a busy weekend. anyway,
before reading what others wrote about the show i thought i'd give my own
review.
first of all this was in a new venue for ig, the state theater. it was a
beautiful place, though slightly smaller then where they normally play. the
place was sold out, as usual. i only noticed three action tables and none
of them seemed to be ones that amy & emily were actually supporting. i
think they just set up because the theater was somehow connected to a mall
or something. it was a little strange. anyway...
lisa loeb opened the show. she was really great! i have never been a huge
fan of hers so i only knew the "popular" songs that have gotten radio play.
let me tell you, you should buy one of her cd's. she was really
entertaining. the whole crowd was paying close attention to her. that is
rare for an opener. even the songs that i didn't know i still really
enjoyed. she was an excellent choice i thought.
then amy & emily came on. amy was wearing her bondage pants and her black
tank top. emily was wearing a t-shirt that said "don't ruin this with
words" and a funky blue-jean type shirt over the top of that. i think she
was wearing blue jeans, but i'm not positive about that. i was 7 rows back
so i didn't get to see the shoes on either of them. oh yeah, amy had her
hair in the little braids. i don't think she is very comfortable with it
that way though because she kept playing with it and moving them from front
to back, then back to front. it was a little distracting honestly. emily
had a fan blowing on her the whole night. i don't blame her, it was hot in
there!
i don't have a set list because security guards there were real a**holes and
wouldn't let anyone up to the stage. but here is a rough idea of what they
played
bitterroot
ozziline
you've got to show
shame on you - i always love that song live!
power of two
become you
get out the map
faye tucker - another excellent live song
watershed - this was the first time in all my ig concerts that i have heard
watershed live. for me it was wonderful
moment of forgiveness
closer to fine - always a crowd favorite
yield
collecting you
laramie - most people in the crowd didn't know this one. i would say 2/3 of
the crowd sat down for the first time during this song.
least complicated - another highlight! my sister was hoping they would play
this one.
chickenman - an amazing guitar solo from emily here. though i found it a
little odd almost to not have bitterroot played in the middle. i guess it's
just a change that i will have to get used to.
virginia woolf
starkville - this is the first time that the whole crowd actually sat down.
galileo
encore
she's saving me
go
for me i thought the best part was amy's unbelievable energy and non-stop
smiling. emily, on the other hand, seemed really off. she hardly smiled at
all and at times her voice sounded almost strained. i think that she might
have been feeling a bit under the weather. she still had 4 amazing guitar
solos that left everyone screaming! even when she doesn't feel good the
woman still is unbelievable with a guitar. i am hoping that it was just
that she was under the weather. because i have never seen her that, what
would you say, dull in a concert before. she basically just stood there.
short of saying "thanks ya'll" every once in a while she was very out of it.
anyway enough about that.
there were moments in the show when the harmony simply blew me away! the
set list was quite long, i think they played for 2 hours. it was fun. not
the best ig show i have ever seen, but still better than most any other
artist i have ever seen. i think amy was working overtime to make up for
emily. she was crazy! she told a cute little story about riding her bike
through our park system during the day. other than that there wasn't really
a lot of talking that went on.
i had an ig newbie with me at this concert and she thoroughly enjoyed
herself. she thought they were amazing. she has been a fan of their music
for a long time, but had never seen them live before. it was nice to see a
reaction from someone who hasn't seen them at least a dozen times like my
sister and i have.
after the show we went around the building to see if we could wait by the
bus. there were about 35 people who had the same idea. and a security
guard who thought he owned the sidewalk. he was telling everyone to leave.
well, being 9 months pregnant (is this baby ever going to come out? due in
4 days here) and standing for the entire concert except one song, i was
pretty tired. i didn't feel like waiting amongst all those people.
normally when there is that big of a crowd they make you wait forever. and
the chances of getting to talk to them are normally slim. so, instead of
waiting hours and leaving disappointed, we decided to just head home. it
was still an amazing night. not the best i have seen, but still wonderful.
as always i am very glad i went.
okay, now i am going to go and read other's reviews and see how close i am
to other's opinions.
happy monday everyone.
mi rinda
ps. - if anyone booted the concert i would love to have a copy. i'm also
still looking for a copy of the first avenue show if anyone has that!
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date: mon, 8 jul 2002 12:39:24 -0500
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the short-term future of emily saliers and amy ray - better known as indigo
girls - is certain: they'll play saturday and sunday at the fleetboston
pavilion. but the long-term future of the veteran folk-pop-rock duo is up in
the air.
their songs get virtually no radio play, and their epic contract runs out
after the next album. that's not a good combination. so there's some
concern.
" the record company was behind us as far as radio goes early on in our
career, " says saliers. " and then they just gave it up. this is a very
youth-oriented culture. there's barely any sustaining of careers going on
any more. we've been fortunate because we're a grassroots touring band, and
for whatever reason we've been able to maintain a career, while other
artists are just getting dropped like flies. "
she and ray have been thinking about what to do when they part ways with
epic, but don't have much of a plan yet.
" we need to have a team meeting with our manager to decide what's best for
us, " she says. " it's an ever-changing world in the business right now,
with the internet and how cd burning is affecting sales, and what does
independent versus major mean. and there are serious problems with
distribution. so i think we'll make our next record and then just sit down
and decide a course of action based on what's going on at that time. "
it's hard to imagine the pair would break up, because they've been playing
together so successfully for so long.
" we played for our english class in our high school, and it went over
really well, " recalls saliers, who won the talent and congeniality awards
in the miss shamrock high school pageant. " our english teacher, ellis loyd,
was very encouraging for us; he was the first mentor of our duo. "
but the duo's evocative name didn't come until much later in their careers.
at one point " we called ourselves saliers and ray - really original, " says
saliers in a most self-deprecating manner. " then around '84 or '85, we were
starting to make our own recordings and traveling and setting up tours. we
needed a name and we switched to indigo girls. indigo was just a word that
sounded good to us. "
their original sound was pretty much two women playing two guitars and
making some lovely, somewhat offbeat, harmonies within the realm of
contemporary folk music. over the years more instruments and more than a
hint of rock were added, along with a large dollop of political activism.
as far as the harmonies, saliers now says they never really analyzed their
sound.
" i think we were just a couple of kids having fun, " she admits. " and all
of a sudden we were building a career. the harmonies came naturally. that's
been easy for me. i grew up singing in church choirs, and all that sacred
music with all the harmony and counterlines was in my blood. and our voices
occupy different places in the sonic spectrum, so that was good. "
when, last year, they settled down to do their new album - " become you " -
the decision was made to get away from the mixed-bag program of their
previous release, " come on now special, " and return to the kind of music
they were doing all those years ago.
" i had to wait for when it felt like the right time for me, " says saliers.
" amy would have wanted to make 'come on now social' acoustic. but i felt
like playing electric guitar then and doing more production layering. so we
waited until the next one, and then the time was right. amy felt it was
important to get back to our roots and get in touch with what we do
together.
" we worked really hard on arrangements, " she adds. " because we knew it
was going to be an acoustic record, and it's gonna be out there and be bare.
and we're very happy with it. it's like an old shirt; it feels comfortable
and it's very pure and straightforward. "
one would think that with talk like that, saliers was happy to go the
acoustic route. but her feelings actually go in more than one direction.
" i sort of wish i could bring more of my rock out, " she says. " i love
rock music and i love orchestrated music and r&b, but i always seem to
gravitate toward a pretty melody and a ballad. at times that's pretty
frustrating for me. so i'm really glad to be playing with amy because she
sometimes pulls me more in the direction that i want to go.
" she's always pulling me, " she adds, laughing. " she's like gravity. "
always outspoken, saliers also feels the pull of politics. she is asked if
she can think of any positive comments about george w. bush.
she ponders this and slowly says, " oh, he's probably good to his wife. "
then she picks up the beat. " but he's not my man. i didn't vote for him.
his policies are antithetical to my own. i don't like that crap about how
you can't speak out against the government because we were attacked. if this
is america, the land of free speech, that means that bill maher should be
able to come out and say whatever he wants to about the armed services. it
was very scary just after the attacks, when it sort of felt like the
mccarthy era again. there's such a thing as loving your country and being so
grateful to be an american, but also to be self-critical about it. there's
not a lot of that going on right now. bush's policies are not the policies
that i want implemented. "
indigo girls perform of june 1 and 2 at the fleetboston pavilion. showtimes
are 8 p.m. tickets are $28-$37. call 617-931-2000.

mi rinda
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anyone out there willing to trade? i have thursday dinner-show tickets in the
6th row. looking to trade for equivalent seats.
any takers? let me know.
thanks,
deb
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the reference "stacked like wood" from this train, actually comes from an interiew with a holocaust witness.
it can be found in the documentary "shoah".
the doctor amy may have been referring to is dr mengele. he used to decide who would live and who would die, by pointing them either to the left or to the right. he is also responsible for the terrible experiments that were carried out on people.
fury
kathrin siegmund <kathrin_siegmund@gmx.de> wrote: hey all!
> so if someone would like to discuss whether so has something to do
> with the holocost let me know and i will go off and back myself up.
well, in this train revised it's pretty much in your face, i think:
"piss and blood
in a railroad car
100 people
gypsies queers
and david's star"
---> mainly jews but also homosexuals were transported in trains to the
various kzs (um, what are they called in english? concentration
camps, i believe)
"measure the bones
count the face
pull out the teeth
do you belong
to the human race"
---> it was common practice to extract the gold teeth from the skulls of
the bodies, simply to turn them into money later on...
"doctor doctor
are you unkind"
---> i believe on entering a concentration camp the people were
subjected to an examination by a "doctor" and he decided whether they
were strong enough to work in the camp (digging graves...) or were too
weak and were gonna be killed pretty much right away... the "are you
unkind" question, i think, refers to the perversity of the situation: a
doctor, someone who's supposed to heal people, condemning them to
their deaths
"these are the questions
stacked like wood"
---> this might not be referring to anything anymore, really but i always
see an image of a pile of bodies or a pile of bones when i hear these
lines... because those images always have an awful resemblance to
piles of wood assembled for a bonfire or something
i never examined the other songs on so for holocaust content, though.
kathrin
ps as (almost) always, apologies to everyone whom i haven't written to
in a while, bear with me, you're not forgotten...:)
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 the reference "stacked like wood" from this train, actually comes from an interiew with a holocaust witness.
it can be found in the documentary "shoah".
the doctor amy may have been referring to is dr mengele. he used to decide who would live and who would die, by pointing them either to the left or to the right. he is also responsible for the terrible experiments that were carried out on people.

fury
 kathrin siegmund <kathrin_siegmund@gmx.de> wrote:
<blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid">hey all! > so if someone would like to discuss whether so has something to do > with the holocost let me know and i will go off and back myself up. well, in this train revised it's pretty much in your face, i think: "piss and blood in a railroad car 100 people gypsies queers and david's star" ---> mainly jews but also homosexuals were transported in trains to the various kzs (um, what are they called in english? concentration camps, i believe) "measure the bones count the face pull out the teeth do you belong to the human race" ---> it was common practice to extract the gold teeth from the skulls of the bodies, simply to turn them into money later on... "doctor doctor are you unkind" ---> i believe on entering a concentration camp the people were subjected to an examination by a "doctor" and he decided whether they were strong enough to work in the camp (digging graves...) or were too weak and were gonna be killed pretty much right away... the "are you unkind" question, i think, refers to the perversity of the situation: a doctor, someone who's supposed to heal people, condemning them to their deaths "these are the questions stacked like wood" ---> this might not be referring to anything anymore, really but i always see an image of a pile of bodies or a pile of bones when i hear these lines... because those images always have an awful resemblance to piles of wood assembled for a bonfire or something i never examined the other songs on so for holocaust content, though. kathrin ps as (almost) always, apologies to everyone whom i haven't written to in a while, bear with me, you're not forgotten...:) -- please do not send long non-indigo girls-related forwards to the list. indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq: <http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig%3c>
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kris, your use of the word d*** offends me. are you afraid to use the word lesbian?
fury
kris hubbard <tattoo1981@hotmail.com> wrote: hey,
kathrin-
i have found it in other songs. also just look at the cover and how they
are there in one second and gone on the back side.
these are just concepts ideas ponders

"fugitive"
hiding concept- "got to get burned" when talking about baby as in
girlfriend. "hiding yourself for me"
in this they also talk about kissing the ground and being free. it is to me
as though they are running from the gates. "i stood without clothes danced
in the sand i was aching with freedom kissing the damned"
"least complicated"
the concept of falling in love and it was either because one was jew or
something else or both dykes but they can't be together for some reason.
actually this seems more dykes, but you could see it the other way.
"language or the kiss"
this reminds me of a concept when a member of a jewish family is taken by
the gestapo.
i am leaving giving this a rest.
kris

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 kris, your use of the word d*** offends me. are you afraid to use the word lesbian?
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<blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid">hey, kathrin- i have found it in other songs. also just look at the cover and how they are there in one second and gone on the back side. these are just concepts ideas ponders "fugitive" hiding concept- "got to get burned" when talking about baby as in girlfriend. "hiding yourself for me" in this they also talk about kissing the ground and being free. it is to me as though they are running from the gates. "i stood without clothes danced in the sand i was aching with freedom kissing the damned" "least complicated" the concept of falling in love and it was either because one was jew or something else or both dykes but they can't be together for some reason. actually this seems more dykes, but you could see it the other way. "language or the kiss" this reminds me of a concept when a member of a jewish family is taken by the gestapo. i am leaving giving this a rest. kris _________________________________________________________________ msn photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -- please <http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx%3cbr%3e%3cbr%3e--%3cbr%3eplease> do not send long non-indigo girls-related forwards to the list. indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq: http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig</blockquote> <hr <http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig%3c/blockquote%3e%3cp%3e%3cbr%3e%3chr> size=1>do you yahoo!? 
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hey...
so this caught my eye:
<<kris, your use of the word d*** offends me. are you afraid to use the
word lesbian?>>
and i was thinking of replying along the lines of:
fury, your use of the word l***** offends me. are you afraid to use the
phrase "women in comfortable shoes"?
but i figured that might not be such a good idea.
so i didn't.
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you are amusing!
i think "dyke" is only a nasty word when used against someone. it's not
about being afraid of "lesbian", it's a different word, a tougher one.
then again, i'm kind of young and i know it bothers some older women. but
unless we have a list policy against it, i don't think it's realistic to
expect people to avoid its use.
on mon, 8 jul 2002, neil :o) wrote:
> hey...
>
> so this caught my eye:
>
> <<kris, your use of the word d*** offends me. are you afraid to use the
> word lesbian?>>
>
> and i was thinking of replying along the lines of:
>
> fury, your use of the word l***** offends me. are you afraid to use the
> phrase "women in comfortable shoes"?
>
> but i figured that might not be such a good idea.
>
> so i didn't.
>
> neil
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i know the indigo girls (my favorite music makers the world over) are opposed to the use of yucca mountain
as a nuclear dumpsite. i give them credit for their recent protest at which only six people showed up. (what's wrong with americans these days????)
the grand rapids press, west michigan's conservative newspaper, ran an editorial yesterday slamming senator debbie stabenow for her decision to vote against the bush administration's plans to send nuclear waste to yucca mountain. the press called her decision "a major mistake." i wrote the following letter to the press, and would invite any of you to use whatever part of it you choose should you wish to help in the campaign against this awful plan.
the editorial on sunday, july 7, 2002, regarding “stabenow’s no to yucca: senator’s change of mind would leave nuclear waste on lakeshores” leaves out critical information regarding yucca mountain. nevada’s yucca mountain is a highly revered sacred site to the western shoshone and pauite peoples. as any american with a conscience knows, the almighty white man has robbed native americans of millions of acres and miles of sacred burial grounds in the name of “progress” (i.e. greed). now we have a government set to once more, literally, “dump” on them again. it is not the fault of native americans that we have polluted this country to the brink of nuclear toxicity, and the people of nevada should not have to bear the load of thousands of tons of nuclear waste that has been generated in our country. senator stabenow has correctly decided to vote against transporting tens of thousands of tons of high-level nuclear waste which will be shipped across the country on trains and trucks, endangering millions of americans, and then dumped at yucca mountain.
during the presidential campaign of 2000, bush, fearing a loss in nevada, clearly and unequivocally stated that he would veto legislation providing for the temporary storage of nuclear waste at yucca mountain. of course, bush offered lip service to win votes, because earlier this year he endorsed yucca mountain as a suitable geological repository for nuclear waste.
instead of catering to lobbyists for the energy industry and greedy corporations, americans must urge congress to enforce laws encouraging the development of alternative and environmentally safe forms of energy. if lawmakers don’t have the vision to see that radical changes are needed in our energy policies, perhaps the best storage place for nuclear waste is in washington dc, at the white house and in the capitol.
sincerely,

vicki stein
p.s. the bush statement read: "i believe sound science, and not politics, must prevail in the designation of any high-level nuclear waste repository. as president, i would not sign legislation that would send nuclear waste to any proposed site unless it's been deemed scientifically safe. i also believe the federal government must work with the local and state governments that will be affected to address safety and transportation issues."
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if i'm not mistaken, i read somewhere that not only does it have to do with
dumping toxic waste on sacred lands, but also something about plate
tectonics in that area. if they dumped the toxic waste there then it's
possible that the buried materials might inadvertently leak as a result of
plates in the earth shifting and possibly leak into goodness knows what.
but this is just what i've heard and i think i read somewhere but i have no
actual link or any factual basis for this statement. (but you can do your
own research if you're curious). can't remember where i read it unless it
was on the honorearth site.
anyway, it all stinks.
peace,
tracy
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howdy ya'll,
this was my college enviro. issues research project
topic, so i thought i'd come in and add what i
remember from it.
yes, dumping the waste there would be dangerous alone,
but tracy was right when she said that earthquakes
would affect the waste as well. the government has
tried to assure us that out in the desert there no
action goes on but in recent years-i'm not sure how
recent anymore-earthquakes registering upwards of four
or five on the rictor scale have been recorded, and
that just won't do.
not to mention the damage it will do on the land,
vegitation, animal and finally human life out in
nevada. that was the experiment done in point hope
alaska i believe, where the govt. burried radioactive
material *just* to see how it would affect the
lifecycle, and they found out it killed/mamed every
aspect of it. that's exactly what would happen out
there as well. plus it's sacred shoshone land.
anyway, peace and love, no toxic waste in yucca
mountain!!!
--- practi cat <fearst@gabrobins.com> wrote:
> if i'm not mistaken, i read somewhere that not only
> does it have to do with
> dumping toxic waste on sacred lands, but also
> something about plate
> tectonics in that area. if they dumped the toxic
> waste there then it's
> possible that the buried materials might
> inadvertently leak as a result of
> plates in the earth shifting and possibly leak into
> goodness knows what.
>
> but this is just what i've heard and i think i read
> somewhere but i have no
> actual link or any factual basis for this statement.
> (but you can do your
> own research if you're curious). can't remember
> where i read it unless it
> was on the honorearth site.
>
> anyway, it all stinks.
>
> peace,
> tracy
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why don't they bury this shit out in area 51? that's what i wanna know..
scuse my french...
peace,
tracy
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from: "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>:
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>and i was thinking of replying along the lines of:
>
>fury, your use of the word l***** offends me. are you afraid to use the
>phrase "women in comfortable shoes"?
>
>but i figured that might not be such a good idea.
>
>so i didn't.
and am i glad you didn't, or else i might be laughing myself into a wheezing
fit right about now!

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would someone please tell me what the "l" word is. i am clueless.
kris
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from: "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>:
>
>and i was thinking of replying along the lines of:
>
>fury, your use of the word l***** offends me. are you afraid to use the
>phrase "women in comfortable shoes"?
>
>but i figured that might not be such a good idea.
>
>so i didn't.
and am i glad you didn't, or else i might be laughing myself into a wheezing
fit right about now!

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2 tickets for 9th
1 ticket for 10th.
$34 each.
thanks.
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mirinda kovacs writes:
<<there were only three action tables and none of them were ones that
amy and emily actually supported.>>
<>
no .....welfare rights committee, which was one of those tables, was
right next to wamm...
you have to get permission to table, and while amy and emily have not
gone all out on poverty their management did give the okay.....so we are
not from the mall. we are a small part of a larger minnesota welfare
rights coalition, a grassroots oranization of poor and low-income people
in 9 cities throughout minnesota.
we were not tabling because the place was connected to a mall, we were
there because i believed that the ig would not want the nations safety
net destroyed, we and many groups troughout the country are trying to
make lives better for all people, i believed there would be more people
there that would see the need for a more egalitarian society and would
want our literature.
and that's why we were there...and if this sounds
defensive,well....we've been having to listen to a lot of hatred, from
police, the general
public, (which is extrmely ,misinformed on a lot of issues.) welfare
workers, and other "working people."and politicians for ten
years......yet we have beeen able to fend off cuts into low-income
housing, restore foodstamps to immigrants, prevented workfare, prevented
illegal sanctions (cuts in benifits) for mothers on assistance. the list
goes on.
and to just brush us off because ig haven't openly addressed poverty lin
the same way they have other issues....(which they should btw if they're
truly in favor of an egalitarian society like they let on that they
are.) i don't know....
i just had to get that out. oh btw: i was able to get dana powell from
rcam to have the welfare
rights committe put up on their resorce page, (it might not be up yet,)
and i think they mention wamm on there too.
barb
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hi folks,
i'm looking for tickets in the first five rows of section i or j for the show
at the greek in berkeley. we need somewhere between 1 and 4 tix.
if you have any leads, please contact me at nakedeye10@aol.com. since john
entwistle died, i've received literally over a thousand emails, and i haven't
had time to keep on top of my indigotraveller mail. just logging on to send
this post.
i'm sure many travelling fans on this list will vouch for the dependability
of my word.
thanks for the consideration.
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in response to my reason for disliking the word lesbian, i've been met with nothing but rudeness from the men on this list. lesbian bashing on an indigo girls board, very nice.
robbin love <robbin_150@hotmail.com> wrote: from: "neil :o)" :
>
>and i was thinking of replying along the lines of:
>
>fury, your use of the word l***** offends me. are you afraid to use the
>phrase "women in comfortable shoes"?
>
>but i figured that might not be such a good idea.
>
>so i didn't.
and am i glad you didn't, or else i might be laughing myself into a wheezing
fit right about now!

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in response to my reason for not disliking the word lesbian, i've been met with nothing but rudeness from the men on this list. lesbian bashing on an indigo girls board, very nice.
robbin love <robbin_150@hotmail.com> wrote: from: "neil :o)" :
>
>and i was thinking of replying along the lines of:
>
>fury, your use of the word l***** offends me. are you afraid to use the
>phrase "women in comfortable shoes"?
>
>but i figured that might not be such a good idea.
>
>so i didn't.
and am i glad you didn't, or else i might be laughing myself into a wheezing
fit right about now!

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in response to my reason for not disliking the word lesbian, i've been met with nothing but rudeness from the men on this list. lesbian bashing on an indigo girls board, very nice.

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<blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid">from: "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>: > >and i was thinking of replying along the lines of: > >fury, your use of the word l***** offends me. are you afraid to use the >phrase "women in comfortable shoes"? > >but i figured that might not be such a good idea. > >so i didn't. and am i glad you didn't, or else i might be laughing myself into a wheezing fit right about now! ~robbin _________________________________________________________________ join the world's largest e-mail service with msn hotmail.

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hi!
> spider london <furyspider@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> in response to my reason for not disliking the word lesbian, i've been met
> with nothing but rudeness from the men on this list. lesbian bashing on
> an indigo girls board, very nice.
it's just sad that one can't make a les joke on an ig mailing list without
somebody taking it the wrong way.
i'm a lesbian and thought neil's comment was funny.
nobody was bashing you. definitely no one intended for you to feel like you
were being attacked. and robbin is not even a guy either, i believe...;).
this list is a very gay friendly place, if ever i've seen one. actually,
there's probably more of a chance for straight-bashing on here!;) *hint: this
was a joke*
let's not get into a flame war over this, hm?
peace,
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in neil's defense, and imho, i think it was less of lesbian bashing and=
more of an attempt to lighten the mood. at least that's how i read it.=

it's just a word. i think someone else mentioned that some people feel=
empowered calling themselves dykes or lesbians. i know that i do. as =
long
as it's not used as an affront or in a derogatory manner. i'll say "dy=
ke"
all day long but the minute i hear it used in a defamatory manner i'll =
be
the first to jump up and say, "now, listen here, you!" if it offends y=
ou,
then that's how you feel. but you can't expect everyone to feel how yo=
u
feel, you know? i can respect that the word offends you, but that's not=
gonna change my opinion about the matter or stop me from using it as a
self-descriptive word or in what i feel is a positive manner.
i think as long as we can all respect each others opinions without
expecting everyone to conform to our own, then i think we can all get a=
long
without resulting in a huge flame war. i also think this could have be=
en
best addressed in private, but that's also my humble opinion. you can=
agree disagree, whatever you like. :)

peace
tracy
(a girl...fyi)

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nothing but rudeness from the men on this list. lesbian bashing on an
indigo girls board, very nice.

robbin love <robbin_150@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>and i was thinking of replying along the lines of:
>
>fury, your use of the word l***** offends me. are you afraid to use t=
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>phrase "women in comfortable shoes"?
>
>but i figured that might not be such a good idea.
>
>so i didn't.
and am i glad you didn't, or else i might be laughing myself into a
wheezing
fit right about now!

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no, no straight bashing! my straight friends don't like the use of d*** anymore than i do. don't try and turn this around i made the reason of my dislike for the word quite clear. i just find it funny that people would rather jump down my throat about me not liking the word , without asking themselves why. that to me is funny and sad. they're looking for an argument. not me. i just stated an opinion.
and no i don't want to argue. your straight bashing joke? not funny. (this was a joke)
kathrin siegmund <kathrin_siegmund@gmx.de> wrote: hi!
> spider london wrote:
> in response to my reason for not disliking the word lesbian, i've been met
> with nothing but rudeness from the men on this list. lesbian bashing on
> an indigo girls board, very nice.
it's just sad that one can't make a les joke on an ig mailing list without
somebody taking it the wrong way.
i'm a lesbian and thought neil's comment was funny.
nobody was bashing you. definitely no one intended for you to feel like you
were being attacked. and robbin is not even a guy either, i believe...;).
this list is a very gay friendly place, if ever i've seen one. actually,
there's probably more of a chance for straight-bashing on here!;) *hint: this
was a joke*
let's not get into a flame war over this, hm?
peace,
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 no, no straight bashing! my straight friends don't like the use of d*** anymore than i do. don't try and turn this around i made the reason of my dislike for the word quite clear. i just find it funny that people would rather jump down my throat about me not liking the word , without asking themselves why. that to me is funny and sad. they're looking for an argument. not me. i just stated an opinion.
and no i don't want to argue. your straight bashing joke? not funny. (this was a joke)
 kathrin siegmund <kathrin_siegmund@gmx.de> wrote:
<blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid">hi! > spider london <furyspider@yahoo.co.uk>wrote: > in response to my reason for not disliking the word lesbian, i've been met > with nothing but rudeness from the men on this list. lesbian bashing on > an indigo girls board, very nice. it's just sad that one can't make a les joke on an ig mailing list without somebody taking it the wrong way. i'm a lesbian and thought neil's comment was funny. nobody was bashing you. definitely no one intended for you to feel like you were being attacked. and robbin is not even a guy either, i believe...;). this list is a very gay friendly place, if ever i've seen one. actually, there's probably more of a chance for straight-bashing on here!;) *hint: this was a joke* let's not get into a flame war over this, hm? peace, kathrin -- gmx - die kommunikationsplattform im internet.

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i was saying nothing negative against the action tables that were out there.
i simply stated that amy & emily were not supporting them. every concert i
have been to where there are action tables out there a&e make a point of
telling people to stop by and get some information. there was no mention of
any of the tables during the entire show. please don't jump down my back
for a simple observation!
-mi rinda
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mirinda kovacs writes:
<<there were only three action tables and none of them were ones that
amy and emily actually supported.>>
<>
no .....welfare rights committee, which was one of those tables, was
right next to wamm...
you have to get permission to table, and while amy and emily have not
gone all out on poverty their management did give the okay.....so we are
not from the mall. we are a small part of a larger minnesota welfare
rights coalition, a grassroots oranization of poor and low-income people
in 9 cities throughout minnesota.
we were not tabling because the place was connected to a mall, we were
there because i believed that the ig would not want the nations safety
net destroyed, we and many groups troughout the country are trying to
make lives better for all people, i believed there would be more people
there that would see the need for a more egalitarian society and would
want our literature.
and that's why we were there...and if this sounds
defensive,well....we've been having to listen to a lot of hatred, from
police, the general
public, (which is extrmely ,misinformed on a lot of issues.) welfare
workers, and other "working people."and politicians for ten
years......yet we have beeen able to fend off cuts into low-income
housing, restore foodstamps to immigrants, prevented workfare, prevented
illegal sanctions (cuts in benifits) for mothers on assistance. the list
goes on.
and to just brush us off because ig haven't openly addressed poverty lin
the same way they have other issues....(which they should btw if they're
truly in favor of an egalitarian society like they let on that they
are.) i don't know....
i just had to get that out. oh btw: i was able to get dana powell from
rcam to have the welfare
rights committe put up on their resorce page, (it might not be up yet,)
and i think they mention wamm on there too.
barb
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okay...
saw this flame war coming a mile away
i'm thinking this might just be a prob of humor, especially irony, not
getting across well in the written word. or else it might just be people
misunderstanding each other or simply not sharing the same sense of humor.
on the issue that started this: i think both words (dyke, lesbian) can be
used in a derogatory way and in a good way (i'm wearing a shirt today that
says: "nobody knows i'm a lesbian", for example... and oh.. the label on the
back
reads: "dyke tees", i believe, can't check right now, or i'd be shocking my
colleagues;)).
personally, i don't even like the word lesbian much either, nor dyke (i
mostly go with "gay") but i don't mind people referring to me as a les or a
dyke,
as long as it's not meant in a derogatory way.
anyway, i agree with trace (sorry, i haven't been writing to you lately),
that this should probably have been addressed in private.
so, that said, i think, i'll just gracefully be quiet now;).

be well,
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oh now i get your point. it can be used like cunt, faggot or nigger?
my bad, i thought you lot were a bunch of fuckers til i read that last post. sorry if you got the wrong idea.
peace
fury
kathrin siegmund <kathrin_siegmund@gmx.de> wrote: okay...
saw this flame war coming a mile away
i'm thinking this might just be a prob of humor, especially irony, not
getting across well in the written word. or else it might just be people
misunderstanding each other or simply not sharing the same sense of humor.
on the issue that started this: i think both words (dyke, lesbian) can be
used in a derogatory way and in a good way (i'm wearing a shirt today that
says: "nobody knows i'm a lesbian", for example... and oh.. the label on the
back
reads: "dyke tees", i believe, can't check right now, or i'd be shocking my
colleagues;)).
personally, i don't even like the word lesbian much either, nor dyke (i
mostly go with "gay") but i don't mind people referring to me as a les or a
dyke,
as long as it's not meant in a derogatory way.
anyway, i agree with trace (sorry, i haven't been writing to you lately),
that this should probably have been addressed in private.
so, that said, i think, i'll just gracefully be quiet now;).

be well,
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 oh now i get your point. it can be used like cunt, faggot or nigger?
my bad, i thought you lot were a bunch of fuckers til i read that last post. sorry if you got the wrong idea.
peace
fury
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<blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid">okay... saw this flame war coming a mile away i'm thinking this might just be a prob of humor, especially irony, not getting across well in the written word. or else it might just be people misunderstanding each other or simply not sharing the same sense of humor. on the issue that started this: i think both words (dyke, lesbian) can be used in a derogatory way and in a good way (i'm wearing a shirt today that says: "nobody knows i'm a lesbian", for example... and oh.. the label on the back reads: "dyke tees", i believe, can't check right now, or i'd be shocking my colleagues;)). personally, i don't even like the word lesbian much either, nor dyke (i mostly go with "gay") but i don't mind people referring to me as a les or a dyke, as long as it's not meant in a derogatory way. anyway, i agree with trace (sorry, i haven't been writing to you lately), that this should probably have been addressed in private. so, that said, i think, i'll just gracefully be quiet now;). be well, kathrin -- gmx - die kommunikationsplattform im internet.

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juliana,
thank you very much for sharing that information with us. i personally
don't have a ton of time to research this issue. it is nice to be given
more facts for ammunition.
take care and have a great day!!!
-mi rinda
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exactly! just as long as it's not in a derogatory manner. :)
now you're getting the point. :)
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andrea, dahling. i don't want people to stop using the word dyke anymore than i want them to stop saying cunt and faggot. all terms of endearment until someone directs them at you personally right? freedom of speech and all that. freedom of speech allows me to say what i don't like.. read it how you like andrea. nowhere in my post did i say i want people to stop using that word. just letting you know that i'm not that keen on the word. which is my right. sorry if you can't deal with that.

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andrea, dahling. i don't want people to stop using the word dyke anymore than i want them to stop saying cunt and faggot. all terms of endearment until someone directs them at you personally right? freedom of speech and all that. freedom of speech allows me to say what i don't like.. read it how you like andrea. nowhere in my post did i say i want people to stop using that word. just letting you know that i'm not that keen on the word. which is my right. sorry if you can't deal with that. <hr size=1>do you yahoo!? 
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i don't know what the point was, which is the reason for my response. finally someone with a sense of humour.
practipussy rocksit :)
fury
practi cat <fearst@gabrobins.com> wrote: exactly! just as long as it's not in a derogatory manner. :)
now you're getting the point. :)
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practipussy rocksit :)
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wow, this was an offlist conversation. why the switch back onlist? your
name is so apt.
glad you don't want us to stop using our words. even when directed at me
personally, i like the word "dyke", unless shouted by hostile people. i am
a dyke. my girlfriend is a dyke. my friends are dykes. when i was a
teenager, i was a baby dyke. we go to the dyke march when we visit chicago
pride. dyke, dyke, dyke.
nobody's been bashed here. i'm sorry the word offends you, as i said
before, but i'm ever so glad you don't want us to stop using it. i like
it.
dykily,
andrea

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> andrea, dahling. i don't want people to stop using the word dyke
> anymore than i want them to stop saying cunt and faggot. all terms of
> endearment until someone directs them at you personally right? freedom
> of speech and all that. freedom of speech allows me to say what i
> don't like.. read it how you like andrea. nowhere in my post did i
> say i want people to stop using that word. just letting you know that
> i'm not that keen on the word. which is my right. sorry if you can't
> deal with that.
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could we please move the discussion of the usage of the terms dyke or lesbian or
any other label off of this list? it would be interesting to pursue this
discussion if it were relevant to this list, but it is not.
if anyone has anything to say to me directly about this post, please send it to
me privately. it would be nice if personal messages directed to one individual
be kept off of listservs, however that does not always happen.
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yes, so why are so many people bothered about one opinion. not relevant. but fun. obviously they have nothing to say about the girls anymore. sad. funny. sad . funny.
become you...great album , no?
anna creech <creechal@spamcop.net> wrote: could we please move the discussion of the usage of the terms dyke or lesbian or
any other label off of this list? it would be interesting to pursue this
discussion if it were relevant to this list, but it is not.
if anyone has anything to say to me directly about this post, please send it to
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 yes, so why are so many people bothered about one opinion. not relevant. but fun. obviously they have nothing to say about the girls anymore. sad. funny. sad . funny.
become you...great album , no?
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as long as we're flaming, we know the list isn't dying.
meanwhile, who else is concerned about that article from a couple days ago
that addressed the end of the girls' contract with epic? i mean, i know
they can always go indie, and we'll always love them and go to their
shows, but they're sounding a little less confident about that path than i
would like. meh?
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then you're all a bunch of happy dykes. good for you! i hope you don't have it thrown at ya! i never started it , just amused by the response. fury is what is directed at me. as you can see from this list. my name is very apt. i have no anger towards anyone on this list. i think you are all very funny, and it's cheered me up finding out why so many people use the word.
man i hate dykes. don't they just piss you off? this is a joke
now fucking get over it , the girls are touring , have you not got any news on them? for goodness sake. this is an ig list not a dyke list. :) you know i love you really.
marshall mathers ex-wife
andrea crain <acrain@idea-inc.com> wrote: wow, this was an offlist conversation. why the switch back onlist? your
name is so apt.
glad you don't want us to stop using our words. even when directed at me
personally, i like the word "dyke", unless shouted by hostile people. i am
a dyke. my girlfriend is a dyke. my friends are dykes. when i was a
teenager, i was a baby dyke. we go to the dyke march when we visit chicago
pride. dyke, dyke, dyke.
nobody's been bashed here. i'm sorry the word offends you, as i said
before, but i'm ever so glad you don't want us to stop using it. i like
it.
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 then you're all a bunch of happy dykes. good for you! i hope you don't have it thrown at ya! i never started it , just amused by the response. fury is what is directed at me. as you can see from this list. my name is very apt. i have no anger towards anyone on this list. i think you are all very funny, and it's cheered me up finding out why so many people use the word.
man i hate dykes. don't they just piss you off? this is a joke
now fucking get over it , the girls are touring , have you not got any news on them? for goodness sake. this is an ig list not a dyke list. :) you know i love you really.
marshall mathers ex-wife
 andrea crain <acrain@idea-inc.com> wrote:
<blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid">wow, this was an offlist conversation. why the switch back onlist? your name is so apt. glad you don't want us to stop using our words. even when directed at me personally, i like the word "dyke", unless shouted by hostile people. i am a dyke. my girlfriend is a dyke. my friends are dykes. when i was a teenager, i was a baby dyke. we go to the dyke march when we visit chicago pride. dyke, dyke, dyke. nobody's been bashed here. i'm sorry the word offends you, as i said before, but i'm ever so glad you don't want us to stop using it. i like it. dykily, andrea on tue, 9 jul 2002, spider london wrote: > > andrea, dahling. i don't want people to stop using the word dyke > anymore than i want them to stop saying cunt and faggot. all terms of > endearment until someone directs them at you personally right? freedom > of speech and all that. freedom of speech allows me to say what i > don't like.. read it how you like andrea. nowhere in my post did i > say i want people to stop using that word. just letting you know that > i'm not that keen on the word. which is my right. sorry if you can't > deal with that. > > > > --------------------------------- > do you yahoo!? > new! sbc yahoo! dial - 1st month free & unlimited access -- for information about the news-only version of this list send this command to majordomo@smoe.org: info ig-news indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq: http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig</blockquote> <hr <http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig%3c/blockquote%3e%3cp%3e%3cbr%3e%3chr> size=1>do you yahoo!? 
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not to mention the fact that to use the word 'dyke' as a lesbian is really
quite transgressive if you buy into the idea of reclaiming words that have
been used against you by others. by using them yourself, you empower
yoursaelf and the word cannot hurt you.
it's like when a black person uses the n word to describe him or herself.
same thing with using bulldagger or dyke or queer, all these words were used
to hurt gay people, but now we have reclaimed them.
this works for soem people, but not others i guess.
and i thought neil was funny too.
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in a message dated 7/9/02 9:30:46 am, acrain@idea-inc.com writes:
<< but they're sounding a little less confident about that path than i
would like. meh? >>
i think that was just the slant the writer put on it. there have been enough
interviews where ig have talked about looking at different indi labels that
i'm pretty confident they won't just go up in a puff os smoke when their
contract ends.
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yeah, i'm hoping that's the case, too. i mean, what else would they do, go
become english teachers? i can't really see that, although i'd probably
see if i could pose as a high school student and register for their
classes. "yes, i'm 16. no, that's 76 on my birth certificate is a typo,
it's really 86. challenger? what's that? huh? back to the future? cyndi
lauper? what are these things of which you speak?"
but i'm just concerned by the vagueness of that emily quote about sitting
down with their manager and discussing what to do. i guess we've got one
more album coming before we, or they, have to worry about it too much.
-andrea
on tue, 9 jul 2002, <sarah t. rosenblum> wrote:
> in a message dated 7/9/02 9:30:46 am, acrain@idea-inc.com writes:
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> << but they're sounding a little less confident about that path than i
> would like. meh? >>
>
> i think that was just the slant the writer put on it. there have been enough
> interviews where ig have talked about looking at different indi labels that
> i'm pretty confident they won't just go up in a puff os smoke when their
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lol! good point, andrea :)
about the article, i'm concerned a little bit but on the other hand they've
provided enjoyment and inspiration for over 20 years. they've got their
own endeavors on the side: amy's solo stuff, amy's record label, emily's
rumor of a solo album (is that a fact or just a musing that i read in an
article?), emily's book with her father, (!!! can't wait until that comes
out) her restaurant, etc. they're not going to be out of the picture, i
don't think. i feel that they'll continue to do whatever it is that makes
them happy, continue with their activism, spend time with their families
more, run their businesses...ya know...relax. :)
okay, i really gotta get back to work now...
peace!
tracy

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as long as we're flaming, we know the list isn't dying.
meanwhile, who else is concerned about that article from a couple days ago
that addressed the end of the girls' contract with epic? i mean, i know
they can always go indie, and we'll always love them and go to their
shows, but they're sounding a little less confident about that path than i
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this is very true, but i'm not gonna call myself a nigger for you or anyone. just makes it more acceptable, reclamation of that word means fuck all to me. man i hate niggas. this was a joke. those who call themselves that; fine. just don't group us all together.
by the way, we're on a new subject now.
"<sarah t. rosenblum>" <rainnriver@aol.com> wrote: not to mention the fact that to use the word 'dyke' as a lesbian is really
quite transgressive if you buy into the idea of reclaiming words that have
been used against you by others. by using them yourself, you empower
yoursaelf and the word cannot hurt you.
it's like when a black person uses the n word to describe him or herself.
same thing with using bulldagger or dyke or queer, all these words were used
to hurt gay people, but now we have reclaimed them.
this works for soem people, but not others i guess.
and i thought neil was funny too.
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 this is very true, but i'm not gonna call myself a nigger for you or anyone. just makes it more acceptable, reclamation of that word means fuck all to me. man i hate niggas. this was a joke. those who call themselves that; fine. just don't group us all together.
by the way, we're on a new subject now.

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<blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid">not to mention the fact that to use the word 'dyke' as a lesbian is really quite transgressive if you buy into the idea of reclaiming words that have been used against you by others. by using them yourself, you empower yoursaelf and the word cannot hurt you. it's like when a black person uses the n word to describe him or herself. same thing with using bulldagger or dyke or queer, all these words were used to hurt gay people, but now we have reclaimed them. this works for soem people, but not others i guess. and i thought neil was funny too. -- for information about the news-only version of this list send this command to majordomo@smoe.org: info ig-news indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq: http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig</blockquote> <hr <http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig%3c/blockquote%3e%3cp%3e%3cbr%3e%3chr> size=1>do you yahoo!? 
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i love my job, and i think i'll probably stick with this career for a long
while, but i have other interests and things that i want to do someday. i know
that i won't always be in the career i have chosen for now.
what amy & emily do is their jobs. different people have different talents that
lead them down career paths. those who are artistic do artistic things, and it
shouldn't make their career options any less than mine. one of these days, i
may decide to do something completely different than what i am doing now, and i
can only hope that my friends (fans? heh.) will support me in that decision.
sure, i'd be sad if the indigo girls were no more (not that it's likely to
happen, mind you), but i do have a rather large collection of their music to
keep me satisfied. and, it's not like they are the only band in existance!
anna
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anna said: "and, it's not like they are the only band in existence!"

it's not?????
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in a message dated 7/9/2002 8:29:45 am central daylight time,
furyspider@yahoo.co.uk writes:

> oh now i get your point. it can be used like cunt, faggot or nigger? my
> bad, i thought you lot were a bunch of fuckers til i read that last post.
> sorry if you got the wrong idea.
>
(i'm probably repeating something someone has already written in response,
but i couldn't wait to read the other posts)
yes, you got the point! it can be used like the aforementioned 3 words! i'm
a dyke who loves the word cunt, as i sip coffee from my "i love my cunt"
coffee mug. i also have a "cunt coloring book" on my coffee table
(yep---that's the name of it!). a lot of young and older feminists feel
empowered by using the word cunt (and yes, some loathe it), and there are
essays galore about it and even an excellent book.
the word nigger---i cringe to type it. i would never say it. but my next
door neighbor calls his best bud that all the time, and vice versa (they are
both african american) and they seem to enjoy it. now, if bubba down the
road came out yelling it at them, then yep, i bet they would be offended---as
they should be.
and ah, the word faggot. i've heard its negative use time and time again.
my best friend scott, however, a self-described *faggot*, happens to enjoy
calling himself that as much as i love calling myself a dyke and cunt.
so, to each her/his own. it's not the word that is bad, but sometimes the
delivery/timing may be bad. my name is april, which isn't a hateful word,
but bygollygee, i've heard it used in a deragatory fashion many times in my
27 years.
this is trite, and has been said over and over again, but when we use words
within our smaller communities that the larger society has used against us
for so long, it can take the sting out. big rich white powerful alpha male
can't hurt me too badly by calling me a dykewhorecuntbitch when those are my
favorite most frequently used words. it's like, come up with something new,
geez. i think our world tries so hard to be politically correct that we just
are not honest anymore.
now, i'm done with weirdly-made point. i normally wouldn't use any of these
words in a post on my dear ig list, but well, i did. if i've offended you,
just stretch, yawn, and move on. that usually works for me :-)
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oh now i get your point. it can be used like cunt, faggot or nigger? my bad, i thought you lot were a bunch of fuckers til i read that last post. sorry if you got the wrong idea.

(i'm probably repeating something someone has already written in response, but i couldn't wait to read the other posts)

yes, you got the point! it can be used like the aforementioned 3 words! i'm a dyke who loves the word cunt, as i sip coffee from my "i love my cunt" coffee mug. i also have a "cunt coloring book" on my coffee table (yep---that's the name of it!). a lot of young and older feminists feel empowered by using the word cunt (and yes, some loathe it), and there are essays galore about it and even an excellent book.

the word nigger---i cringe to type it. i would never say it. but my next door neighbor calls his best bud that all the time, and vice versa (they are both african american) and they seem to enjoy it. now, if bubba down the road came out yelling it at them, then yep, i bet they would be offended---as they should be.

and ah, the word faggot. i've heard its negative use time and time again. my best friend scott, however, a self-described *faggot*, happens to enjoy calling himself that as much as i love calling myself a dyke and cunt.

so, to each her/his own. it's not the word that is bad, but sometimes the delivery/timing may be bad. my name is april, which isn't a hateful word, but bygollygee, i've heard it used in a deragatory fashion many times in my 27 years.

this is trite, and has been said over and over again, but when we use words within our smaller communities that the larger society has used against us for so long, it can take the sting out. big rich white powerful alpha male can't hurt me too badly by calling me a dykewhorecuntbitch when those are my favorite most frequently used words. it's like, come up with something new, geez. i think our world tries so hard to be politically correct that we just are not honest anymore.

now, i'm done with weirdly-made point. i normally wouldn't use any of these words in a post on my dear ig list, but well, i did. if i've offended you, just stretch, yawn, and move on. that usually works for me :-)

april

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i love the indigo girls for all the reasons that everyone has pretty much
already summed up.
i love this list because i think ig fans must be the best group of fans out
of any of the other musicians out there, and the way we sometimes get off
topic and sometimes a little flame-y just makes me love it more. not because
the negativity is a good thing, but the way we jump in to give our opinion or
discuss a topic---it's great. we are all opinionated thinkers/sayers, and
perhaps that is why we are drawn to the girls. or maybe the girls have led
some of us to be opinionated thinkers/sayers. chicken egg. either way, i
think it is dandy. we on this list just have a hard time sitting back
quietly following the rules, and while that is bad as far as list faq goes
and all that, i think it makes quite a statement about who we all are. we
just gotta speak our mind, i love that about ya'll...
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i love the indigo girls for all the reasons that everyone has pretty much already summed up.

i love this list because i think ig fans must be the best group of fans out of any of the other musicians out there, and the way we sometimes get off topic and sometimes a little flame-y just makes me love it more. not because the negativity is a good thing, but the way we jump in to give our opinion or discuss a topic---it's great. we are all opinionated thinkers/sayers, and perhaps that is why we are drawn to the girls. or maybe the girls have led some of us to be opinionated thinkers/sayers. chicken egg. either way, i think it is dandy. we on this list just have a hard time sitting back quietly following the rules, and while that is bad as far as list faq goes and all that, i think it makes quite a statement about who we all are. we just gotta speak our mind, i love that about ya'll...

april
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april you're retarded
cunt is ok, but nigger isn't unless you're black and if your black then you
can say it and not be offended but if your white and say it then you are
being offensive
it's people like you with you're complete lack of consistanty in statements
that cause all the problems.
you get empowered by the word cunt but cring to type nigger. and fagott is ok
if scott uses it.....
you are very weak not empowered at all
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april you're retarded

cunt is ok, but nigger isn't unless you're black and if your black then you can say it and not be offended but if your white and say it then you are being offensive

it's people like you with you're complete lack of consistanty in statements that cause all the problems.

you get empowered by the word cunt but cring to type nigger. and fagott is ok if scott uses it.....

you are very weak not empowered at all

joe
manhattan,ny
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so then, following your logic, is that why you can call april "retarded" and
not expect her to be offended?

although i may not have said it so harshly, i do agree with joe on some
points (barring the "it's people like you..." statement), and i would be
interested in discussing this more, but wonder if we can just get a private
e-mail discussion going and take this off the list. so, anyone who is
interested in joining a constructive conversation on the politics of naming,
please e-mail me privately and i will get it going!
victoria.heckler@ppfa.org <<mailto:victoria.heckler@ppfa.org>>
thanks.
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april you're retarded
cunt is ok, but nigger isn't unless you're black and if your black then you
can say it and not be offended but if your white and say it then you are
being offensive
it's people like you with you're complete lack of consistanty in statements
that cause all the problems.
you get empowered by the word cunt but cring to type nigger. and fagott is
ok if scott uses it.....
you are very weak not empowered at all
joe
manhattan,ny

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so then, following your logic, is that why you can call april "retarded" and not expect her to be offended?
although i may not have said it so harshly, i do agree with joe on some points (barring the "it's people like you..." statement), and i would be interested in discussing this more, but wonder if we can just get a private e-mail discussion going and take this off the list. so, anyone who is interested in joining a constructive conversation on the politics of naming, please e-mail me privately and i will get it going! victoria.heckler@ppfa.org <mailto:victoria.heckler@ppfa.org>
thanks.
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sent: tuesday, july 09, 2002 12:05 pm
to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
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april you're retarded

cunt is ok, but nigger isn't unless you're black and if your black then you can say it and not be offended but if your white and say it then you are being offensive

it's people like you with you're complete lack of consistanty in statements that cause all the problems.

you get empowered by the word cunt but cring to type nigger. and fagott is ok if scott uses it.....

you are very weak not empowered at all

joe
manhattan,ny
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i still have a pair of portland tix in the second row orchestra for cost,
$89.00. i can meet in seattle or olympia. or.. if you want them shipped you
can pay by paypal and include fees to overnight the tix to you.
thanks
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this is the dumbest thing so far. yes i am black and the word nigger does offend me, i don't care if the person who says it is black or white or chinese or spanish or from any other group. moving on...
joe agueci <sprdinosur@aol.com> wrote: april you're retarded
cunt is ok, but nigger isn't unless you're black and if your black then you can say it and not be offended but if your white and say it then you are being offensive
it's people like you with you're complete lack of consistanty in statements that cause all the problems.
you get empowered by the word cunt but cring to type nigger. and fagott is ok if scott uses it.....
you are very weak not empowered at all
joe
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 this is the dumbest thing so far. yes i am black and the word nigger does offend me, i don't care if the person who says it is black or white or chinese or spanish or from any other group. moving on...
 joe agueci <sprdinosur@aol.com> wrote:
<blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid">april you're retarded cunt is ok, but nigger isn't unless you're black and if your black then you can say it and not be offended but if your white and say it then you are being offensive it's people like you with you're complete lack of consistanty in statements that cause all the problems. you get empowered by the word cunt but cring to type nigger. and fagott is ok if scott uses it..... you are very weak not empowered at all joe manhattan,ny </blockquote> <hr size=1>do you yahoo!? 
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in a message dated 7/9/02 12:21:40 pm eastern daylight time,
furyspider@yahoo.co.uk writes:

> yes i am black and the word nigger does offend
that's the way to handel it. if you don't liek the word you don't like it. if
you do, like it then go for it
good post spider
joe
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yes i am black and the word nigger does offend

that's the way to handel it. if you don't liek the word you don't like it. if you do, like it then go for it

good post spider

joe
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it's been requested twice now that this discussion be taken "off-list", and
has now gotten to namecalling (somewhat interesting, given the thread)...
please be considerate of the other list members who've tired of reading all
this, and take it to private email...
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> cunt is ok, but nigger isn't unless you're black and if your black then you
> can say it and not be offended but if your white and say it then you are
> being offensive
>
>
that paragraph is said not as me excepting the word but as me pointing out
aprils inconsistancy

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cunt is ok, but nigger isn't unless you're black and if your black then you can say it and not be offended but if your white and say it then you are being offensive

that paragraph is said not as me excepting the word but as me pointing out aprils inconsistancy

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there are some interesting folk on this list.
no, i'm not sensitive. not like the people who jumped down my throat as soon as i was honest about my opinion.
like i said before, y'all are a hoot.
sprdinosur@aol.com wrote: in a message dated 7/9/02 12:21:40 pm eastern daylight time, furyspider@yahoo.co.uk writes:

yes i am black and the word nigger does offend
that's the way to handel it. if you don't liek the word you don't like it. if you do, like it then go for it
good post spider
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 there are some interesting folk on this list.
no, i'm not sensitive. not like the people who jumped down my throat as soon as i was honest about my opinion.
like i said before, y'all are a hoot.
 sprdinosur@aol.com wrote:
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<blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: #0000ff 2px solid; margin-right: 0px" type="cite">yes i am black and the word nigger does offend </blockquote> that's the way to handel it. if you don't liek the word you don't like it. if you do, like it then go for it good post spider joe manhattan, ny </blockquote> <hr size=1>do you yahoo!? 
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don't remember calling anyone retarded.
no, don't remember calling anyone retarded.
fury
"<victoria heckler>" <victoria.heckler@ppfa.org> wrote: so then, following your logic, is that why you can call april "retarded" and not expect her to be offended? although i may not have said it so harshly, i do agree with joe on some points (barring the "it's people like you..." statement), and i would be interested in discussing this more, but wonder if we can just get a private e-mail discussion going and take this off the list. so, anyone who is interested in joining a constructive conversation on the politics of naming, please e-mail me privately and i will get it going! victoria.heckler@ppfa.org thanks.-----original message-----
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sent: tuesday, july 09, 2002 12:05 pm
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april you're retarded
cunt is ok, but nigger isn't unless you're black and if your black then you can say it and not be offended but if your white and say it then you are being offensive
it's people like you with you're complete lack of consistanty in statements that cause all the problems.
you get empowered by the word cunt but cring to type nigger. and fagott is ok if scott uses it.....
you are very weak not empowered at all
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 don't remember calling anyone retarded.
no, don't remember calling anyone retarded.
fury
 "<victoria heckler>" <victoria.heckler@ppfa.org> wrote:
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<div>so then, following your logic, is that why you can call april "retarded" and not expect her to be offended?</div>
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<div>although i may not have said it so harshly, i do agree with joe on some points (barring the "it's people like you..." statement), and i would be interested in discussing this more, but wonder if we can just get a private e-mail discussion going and take this off the list. so, anyone who is interested in joining a constructive conversation on the politics of naming, please e-mail me privately and i will get it going! <a href="<mailto:victoria.heckler@ppfa.org>">victoria.heckler@ppfa.org</a></div>
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<div>thanks.</div>
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<div class=outlookmessageheader dir=ltr align=left>-----original message----- from: joe agueci [<mailto:sprdinosur@aol.com>] sent: tuesday, july 09, 2002 12:05 pm to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org subject: re: yep, it can be... </div>april you're retarded cunt is ok, but nigger isn't unless you're black and if your black then you can say it and not be offended but if your white and say it then you are being offensive it's people like you with you're complete lack of consistanty in statements that cause all the problems. you get empowered by the word cunt but cring to type nigger. and fagott is ok if scott uses it..... you are very weak not empowered at all joe manhattan,ny </blockquote></blockquote> <hr size=1>do you yahoo!? 
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(in another desperate attempt to change the damn subject already)
so has anyone heard any new info about emily's upcoming book?
any local atlanta folks read any more than what was already posted in the
atlanta constitution? any emory students with rumors to share?
:)
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the ego thing? so not me. i'm not an ego tripper. just enjoying the company of those who are for a change. note , i sent this message to the list.
sprdinosur@aol.com wrote: no spider!!!!

i called someone retarded!!!
it's not about you!!!! it's not all about you spider!!!
back the ego off a little and enjoy the post..... please note i sent this directly to you
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 the ego thing? so not me. i'm not an ego tripper. just enjoying the company of those who are for a change. note , i sent this message to the list.
 sprdinosur@aol.com wrote:
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spr, you are too sensitive. i can prescribe something if you like.
your're just pissed off for a number of other reasons and want to vent on me. sad
fury to you
no spider!!!!

i called someone retarded!!!
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spr, you are too sensitive. i can prescribe something if you like.
your're just pissed off for a number of other reasons and want to vent on me. sad 
fury to you
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could you please take your arguing elsewhere - it's stressing me out and this isn't the place for it

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i agree. this is soooo not what i wanted to read on a tuesday.
please continue to argue amongst yourselves.
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5) use private email where appropriate
remember that the main purpose of the list is to discuss the music of
the indigo girls, so if your message is private or is not indigo
girls related, it may not always be appropriate to send it to the
entire list.
this does not mean that off-topic discussion is not welcome on the
list. on the contrary, sometimes off-topic subjects are interesting
and even relevant (for example, discussing a local band or looking
for bootlegs of certain shows). however, please try to limit
discussion to subjects that have at least some relevance to the music
of the indigo girls.
....
9) think before you flame, and if you must flame, use private email
if you must flame, do so via private email. if you send a flame to
the entire list you run the risk of being flamed by many other people
in retaliation. remember too that if you send a flame, it reflects
not only on the person that you are flaming, but also on yourself.
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i hope that some folks on this list start taking #10 seriously.
anna
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kathrin wrote:
>it's just sad that one can't make a les joke on an ig mailing list >without
>somebody taking it the wrong way.
>i'm a lesbian and thought neil's comment was funny.
>nobody was bashing you. definitely no one intended for you to feel >like
>you were being attacked. and robbin is not even a guy either, i
> >believe...;).
i'm definitely not a guy. in fact, i'm a
dyke/lesbian/comfortable-shoe-wearing-woman loving woman! ;) and if i
thought for a second that neil was being less than tongue-in-cheek in his
"non-post" then i certainly would not have been laughing. it was a joke. a
very funny one at that. i always appreciate your humor, neil. :)) rock on.

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hey...
so in the interest of bringing the topic back on track - who said the list
was dead?
someone brought up the indigo girls leaving sony... they have one album left
to deliver - it's probably not going to be an all-new studio effort. they
only just did a 'best of' collection.
so what do you want to see?
another live album a la 12,000 curfews?
a live album from just one concert (acoustic or electric?)?
a rarities collection?
a covers record?
a covers concept album like k.d. land's drag?
an all-star "duets" (trios?) album?
something else from left field.
whatdy'a think?
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> i hope that some folks on this list start taking #10 seriously.
>
> anna
>
thank you for stating all of that so well anna...
mark
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i would love another 1200 curfews-like album i love the live stuff with
all the chatter and the crowd sing alongs - what might be cool is a
rarities live triple album with a lot of different covers and guest
stars.........
then no one has to choose!
thanks for the topic!
kellie
neil@andineil.com writes:
>so what do you want to see?
>
>another live album a la 12,000 curfews?
>a live album from just one concert (acoustic or electric?)?
>a rarities collection?
>a covers record?
>a covers concept album like k.d. land's drag?
>an all-star "duets" (trios?) album?
>something else from left field.
>
>whatdy'a think?
>
>neil
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interesting thought neil. i guess i just always assumed that their last
album with sony would be an all-new studio album. if it's not i would
definitely have to vote for a rarities collection. but then again we all
pretty much have those already. i mean that's what indigo originals are
right? i really hope we get new songs from them for their last sony effort.
on a side note, i don't think that the end of their career with sony (epic)
is going to signal the end of their musical careers. i think they will sign
with an independent label. i mean aside from the fact that they are
"owned", or whatever you want to call it, by a major label they are pretty
much on their own. when was the last time that any intensive effort was put
into publicity by sony for ig? i don't remember it happening. most
stations don't even have the new cd. at least with cons "shame on you" was
a big hit. they have released two albums since then and are still doing
just fine. i think that they have a big enough fan base that they don't
need the label.
okay, could i ramble any more? yikes! i really need a nap. hopefully what
i just typed made sense to someone! i'm going to go back to work now.
:)
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oooooh, there's a good topic! i think a new live compilation would be
awesome. they could call it 2400 curfews. :p ok, that's dorky. but i love
1200 curfews; it's like a boot, only with the best possible quality and
with lots of variety. but really, i'd prefer an all-new album. only live,
not studio. i just love live recordings.
covers would be cool, too, like shawn colvin's "cover girl" -- i love that
album. but i wouldn't be too interested in a sort of duets-style album or
a cover concept album like drag. drag was good in places, but she picked
some not-so-good songs to go with the theme, too.
-andrea
> someone brought up the indigo girls leaving sony... they have one album left
> to deliver - it's probably not going to be an all-new studio effort. they
> only just did a 'best of' collection.
>
> so what do you want to see?
>
> another live album a la 12,000 curfews?
> a live album from just one concert (acoustic or electric?)?
> a rarities collection?
> a covers record?
> a covers concept album like k.d. land's drag?
> an all-star "duets" (trios?) album?
> something else from left field.
>
> whatdy'a think?
>
> neil
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>interesting thought neil. i guess i just always assumed that their last
>album with sony would be an all-new studio album. if it's not i would
>definitely have to vote for a rarities collection. but then again we all
>pretty much have those already. i mean that's what indigo originals are
>right? i really hope we get new songs from them for their last sony effort.
how about a boxed set... dare to dream.

>on a side note, i don't think that the end of their career with sony (epic)
>is going to signal the end of their musical careers. i think they will sign
>with an independent label. i mean aside from the fact that they are
>"owned", or whatever you want to call it, by a major label they are pretty
>much on their own. when was the last time that any intensive effort was put
>into publicity by sony for ig? i don't remember it happening. most
>stations don't even have the new cd. at least with cons "shame on you" was
>a big hit. they have released two albums since then and are still doing
>just fine. i think that they have a big enough fan base that they don't
>need the label.
i agree that they will be picked up, maybe by rounder or another folk
friendly label. one thing is for certain, it won't be daemon.
speaking about dreaming, what about righteous babe? that would be
interesting....
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> i agree that they will be picked up, maybe by rounder or another folk
> friendly label. one thing is for certain, it won't be daemon.
well... they probably said that or something already. but i don't see why
they shouldn't release on daemon. amy put out her own album on it. why
not? would it be because ig isn't punky enough for their image, or
something about emily not having the same level of power in that
situation? or?
> speaking about dreaming, what about righteous babe? that would be
> interesting....
that would be interesting. but has ani ever released anything on rb she
wasn't directly involved in creating?
i don't think rounder's such a great idea either; their image is just a
little too folky for ig, who would want the freedom to actually do rock
too.
hmmm.
-andrea
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>>someone brought up the indigo girls leaving sony=2e=2e=2e they have one =
album
left to deliver - it's probably not going to be an all-new studio effort=2e=
they only just did a 'best of' collection=2e>>
i think we're most likely to see a live album, although i think it's going=
to be hard to beat out 1200 curfews=2e plus, this would make their 3rd li=
ve
album in 13 years?
i say either a covers album or outtakes from the studio albums=2e there's=
gotta be alternate takes and unreleased songs lying around
(winthropwinthropwinthrop)
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signature sounds is a *very* artist-friendly label. y'all should read this
article:
<http://simanet.org/shindell.html>
of course, there's nothing to stop the igs forming their own label - they
have the necessary $$ and brains.
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hi all!
maybe someone remembers this:
"i do my thing, and you do your thing.
i am not in this world to live up to your expectations,
and you are not in this world to live up to mine.
you are you, and i am i, and if by chance we find each other, it's
beautiful."
was this an amy statement? anyone recall? i just saved the quote, not
the name of whoever said it...
also, if this was amy, then when/where (the occasion) did she say it?
thanks in advance for any info:)
kathrin
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>well... they probably said that or something already. but i don't see why
>they shouldn't release on daemon. amy put out her own album on it. why
>not? would it be because ig isn't punky enough for their image, or
>something about emily not having the same level of power in that
>situation? or?
in my untrained opinion i think that they would never go on daemon because
that is amy's label. she is the head-honcho boss man. it would be kind of
strange i think for emily to collaborate with and work for amy. that would
be kind of a conflict of interest for amy too. i just don't think that it
would be a good idea. but then again what do i know?
:)
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hi all!
and now for something completely different...
just got a tape from the radio show ig did in bremen (may 4th) during
the german leg of their last european tour.
i'll mp3 it and put it all up on my site for y'all to download. will post
again once it's up. (oh, and on that show, you actually get to hear
emily say "danke schoen" in the most flawless german ever:), very
cute.)
the setlist:
get out the map
reunion
deconstruction
become you
power of two
gone again
virginia woolf
shame on you
she's saving me
faye tucker
closer to fine
yield
watershed
kid fears
starkville
galileo
least complicated
furthermore, the same radio station did an interview show with them,
too, called "on the tracks". now this should be really interesting
because on this show the guests get to play dj and pick the songs that
are played in between interview segments and they get to say why they
chose them.
this will be on nordwestradio on august 4th 10:05 pm cet.
unfortunately they aren't webcasting this show. hopefully, i can get my
friend to record this for us (this list), too (same friend also taped the
concert show), though.
be well,
kathrin
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is mmedido still on the list? was listening last night at work to a tape of
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signature sounds is a *very* artist-friendly label. y'all should read this
article:
<http://simanet.org/shindell.html>

i have a question based on what i read in that article...
it said that the labels own the master recordings. does this mean that once
a&e leave sony they will never again be able to record their old songs? i
mean like doing another 1200 curfews? or is that not what that means?
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<<i have a question based on what i read in that article...
it said that the labels own the master recordings. does this mean that once
a&e leave sony they will never again be able to record their old songs? i
mean like doing another 1200 curfews? or is that not what that means?>>
assuming the ig have a standard deal sony will own the recordings (rop,
sots, etc.), but not the songs themselves. there'd be nothing to stop the
igs re-recording their old tunes live.
(also, the ig could have negotiated a deal where they get the masters back
and so could re-release swamp ophelia on their own label at some time in the
future with mundo bonus material.)
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> (also, the ig could have negotiated a deal where they get the masters back
> and so could re-release swamp ophelia on their own label at some time in the
> future with mundo bonus material.)
oooh, they should have an explication track, like on dvd's, so they could
point out all the holocaust imagery!
or not.
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well, i think they should do a boxed set. a mega monstrosity including all
those early recordings and stuff and compilations, and cover songs
everything!!!! a 100 cd box set!!!! aaaahahahahahahahahaahahaaa!!!
(sorry, all this flaming has made me absolutely patsy-mad).
okay, okay, seriously though. they've been really good about changing the
concepts and styles of the albums if not to appeal to diffirent audiences
then to make things a little more interesting music-wise. i think it'd be
really neat to see a cd come out that was all emcompassing of everything
that's them. like a double-sided cd with emily songs on one side and amy's
songs on the other. two different art books for each of them. something
to signify both their differences and their likenesses. their yin &
yang-ness, if you will. maybe a little dvd surprisees thrown in for good
measure.
i think that would be the ultimate. and i would totally buy it. :)
peace
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hey...
so in the interest of bringing the topic back on track - who said the list
was dead?
someone brought up the indigo girls leaving sony... they have one album
left
to deliver - it's probably not going to be an all-new studio effort. they
only just did a 'best of' collection.
so what do you want to see?
another live album a la 12,000 curfews?
a live album from just one concert (acoustic or electric?)?
a rarities collection?
a covers record?
a covers concept album like k.d. land's drag?
an all-star "duets" (trios?) album?
something else from left field.
whatdy'a think?
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it just means that the label owns the recordings not the songs. ig
could re-record the songs and work around that. most labels employ this
master recordings clause unless ownership of the recordings is
specifically negotiated for prior to an artist signing a contract with
the studio. this is one of the reasons prince...the artist formerly
known as prince...o(+>...went through a period where he had slave
written on his face during his short lived contract with sony...in case
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dar williams. it was called "when i was a squirrel" and i remember it
having something to do with throwing nuts at amy ray and running over
animals..
was hiliarious...prolly one of those you-had-to-be-there-things though.=
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cracky...what was her name????
don't you hate that?
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on 9 jul 2002 at 13:37, kovacs, mirinda wrote:
> signature sounds is a *very* artist-friendly label. y'all should read
> this article: <http://simanet.org/shindell.html>
>
>
> i have a question based on what i read in that article...
> it said that the labels own the master recordings. does this mean
> that once a&e leave sony they will never again be able to record their
> old songs? i mean like doing another 1200 curfews? or is that not
> what that means?
nah, it just means that since the label usually pays for the studio time,
they also own the recordings that are being made there. so, what it
means is just that ig couldn't have released those remastered albums
if they hadn't been with sony anymore because those remastered
thingies have been made using the original recordings (the master
tapes), which sony owns not ig.
but not having the ownership of the masters definitely doesn't mean
they can't do any new recordings of the old songs:).

about the new album... i'd think a cd full of covers (new ones), would
be very cool.
be well,
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office will still have tickets or not, but i've got 1 more available.
please call my cell phone if interested. 206-755-8591.

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>speaking about dreaming, what about righteous babe?
oooh...now that would be fun, fun, fun. :)

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for those not lucky enough to have a copy of claudine's recording of the recent sheffield uk concert - amy says she bought the pants there while shopping before the show. but they do have a skirt, so are a little different to the ones on the website tabbed by kathryn. they are great, anyway!

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>hey all!
>
> > i loved her kilt, and the pants were good too. someone on the bbs
> > mentioned those were "bondage pants " can someone please tell me what
> > bondage pants are? and what thy look like?
>thanks to some research by this list's very own claudine l., i can shed
>some light on this. had no idea what those pants looked like either...
>
>http://www.poseur.net/bondagepants/fabrics.html
>
>there ya go:).
>
>kathrin
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>date: tue, 9 jul 2002 11:14:09 -0400
>
>i love my job, and i think i'll probably stick with this career for a long
>while, but i have other interests and things that i want to do someday. i know
>that i won't always be in the career i have chosen for now.
>
>what amy & emily do is their jobs. different people have different talents that
>lead them down career paths. those who are artistic do artistic things, and it
>shouldn't make their career options any less than mine. one of these days, i
>may decide to do something completely different than what i am doing now, and i
>can only hope that my friends (fans? heh.) will support me in that decision.
>
>sure, i'd be sad if the indigo girls were no more (not that it's likely to
>happen, mind you), but i do have a rather large collection of their music to
>keep me satisfied. and, it's not like they are the only band in existance!
>
>anna
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>date: tue, 9 jul 2002 12:54:23 -0500
>
> > i agree that they will be picked up, maybe by rounder or another folk
> > friendly label. one thing is for certain, it won't be daemon.
>
>well... they probably said that or something already. but i don't see why
>they shouldn't release on daemon. amy put out her own album on it. why
>not? would it be because ig isn't punky enough for their image, or
>something about emily not having the same level of power in that
>situation? or?
>
> > speaking about dreaming, what about righteous babe? that would be
> > interesting....
>
>that would be interesting. but has ani ever released anything on rb she
>wasn't directly involved in creating?
>
>i don't think rounder's such a great idea either; their image is just a
>little too folky for ig, who would want the freedom to actually do rock
>too.
>
>hmmm.
>-andrea
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um, i think april said that all of the words about which we've been speaking
can be thought of as acceptable when spoken when one is among one's 'own,'
i.e. it can be thought of as acceptable and even empowering for a dyke to
refer to another dyke as a dyke, but if a homophobic man for example shouted
the word dyke at a dyke, that would be unacceptable. april said the same was
true for the n word. her african american neighbors use that word in
reference to each other but she feels uncomfortable saying it and doesn't
think they would appreciate it if a white racist came down the street and
shouted it at them. that is altogether logical, clear and consistant. whether
or not you choose to buy into the theory of 'taking back words' is another
issue altogether.
sorry to keep at this point but if anything can bring me out of the woodwork
its joe's brazen, generally innapropriate posts.
yeah.
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didn't mean to keep the thread going, i respond to each e-mail in my mailbox
as i check it so i didn't realize how many pleas there had been for this to
be taken off list.
sorry sorry.
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date: tue, 9 jul 2002 21:41:31 +0000
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sarah, i'm glad you spoke in april's defense. i'm thinking joe may have read
her post in haste and misunderstood her point.
and joe, i think it's safe to assume that in this forum hurtful slurs such
as "you're retarded" are not welcome. we can debate ideas without resorting
to name-calling.

throwing in another 2 cents,
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sold my tickets for tonight but i have one tomorrow (7/10) available. call
425-820-8934. if you get the machine, just speak and i'll pick up.
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folks,
just when we were all saying how much we love our list....
please take this thread to another forum.
any further posts regarding terminology, individual's word choices, or any
other related flames will result in the sender being temporarily banned from
posting.
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i hate to drag the subject on, but...
back in the early 1980s judy grahn wrote a book entitled _another mother
tongue: gay words, gay worlds_. it's an exhaustive gay cultural history, if
you will. in it she relates the history of the words "dyke" and "faggot",
and how using them today is more than simply redefining negative slurs, it's
a reclaiming of the original meaning of the words, which were very positive.
positive words which were then twisted and turned back upon gay people as a
way of undermining their pride in themselves.
anyway, i think it's a great book and it was an invaluable asset to me as i
was learning to accept my sexual/emotional identity as a lesbian, and i
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don't send me email like this sprdinosur. the subject has been changed but you can't seem to get over it. who's the ego tripper now? end of discussion.

sprdinosur@aol.com wrote:
if you're not an ego tripper why do you have to post your rants at me?
let me prescribe something to you...
.... take about 50 tylenol pills and dont' ever call anyone again.
you're right.... sad

or this:
sprdinosur@aol.com wrote:
i don't think you've been on this list a long time,
but one thing that is done is if someone post something to you on a private note, then you are not supposed to bring that conversation into the global community.
so if you didn't have such an ego you would of been able to keep it private, but you do have a huge ego problem and had to post it for everyone to read the 'clever' little responce you had to me.
private posts are to stay private.
you are not special. there are a ton of people on this list who think anyone cares what they have to say and babel on with their self-righteous vomit, which is exactly the pool of scumbags you have included your self in by posting my private message to you on the global list.
so i hope you slip into a bucket of aids.

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don't send me email like this sprdinosur. the subject has been changed but you can't seem to get over it. who's the ego tripper now? end of discussion.
 
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i'd love to have another "curfews" type live collection, but i think the last
sony release will need to be new material - new for the girls i mean. it could
be a new set of cover songs. i don't believe "back on the bus", 1200 curfews"
or "retrospective" counted toward the original contract. i'm not sure how the
strange fire rerelease counted.
maybe we'll get a new studio cd and a "2400 curfews" ;-) of course i'm just
being greedy.
diane

>
>
> someone brought up the indigo girls leaving sony... they have one album left
> to deliver - it's probably not going to be an all-new studio effort. they
> only just did a 'best of' collection.
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i don't care what anyone says to someone in private. reposting someone's
e-mail online is inexcusable, and doing so should get you booted from this
list. i've been on this list several years. i've seen listees & flame wars
come & go, i've seen repeated requests to take threads private ignored, but
flagrant disregard for list rules and total disrespect for others is a
rarity. congratulations... this surpasses the lowest level of maturity i've
seen thus far (and i myself have contributed to some rather immature list
moments).
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> i don't care what anyone says to someone in private. reposting someone's
> e-mail online is inexcusable, and doing so should get you booted from this
> list.

i've sat here and watched this crap all day, and am in total agreement with
dee on this one!!
mark
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hi folks,
diane said:
>i don't believe "back on the bus", 1200 curfews"
>or "retrospective" counted toward the original contract. i'm not sure how the
>strange fire rerelease counted.
do we know what exactly counts towards the contract? original studio albums or live albums, yes. best-of type compilations (of which there have been two already), yes? dvds and videos, no?
sorry, i'm too tired today to be able to really figure anything out for myself...
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i'm not entirely sure myself. i remember reading an interview or web chat around the time of retrospective, where one of the girls said retrospective didn't count.
sherlyn koo wrote:
> hi folks,
>
> diane said:
> >i don't believe "back on the bus", 1200 curfews"
> >or "retrospective" counted toward the original contract. i'm not sure how the
> >strange fire rerelease counted.
>
> do we know what exactly counts towards the contract? original studio albums or live albums, yes. best-of type compilations (of which there have been two already), yes? dvds and videos, no?
>
> sorry, i'm too tired today to be able to really figure anything out for myself...
>
> -sherlyn
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<<do we know what exactly counts towards the contract? original studio
albums or live albums, yes. best-of type compilations (of which there
have been two already), yes? dvds and videos, no?>>
you got it :)
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tranquility please,
would someone who is going to the portland show please contact me. i would
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someone wrote:
> i agree that they will be picked up, maybe by rounder or another folk
> friendly label. one thing is for certain, it won't be daemon.
>someone else wrote:
>why not daemon.

i interviewed amy when she released stag for mtv.com and asked her about the
whole record label deal. she said then she and emily hadnt really hashed it
out yet, that they still had two records on the epic deal (this was before
become you, of course) . i asked her if daemon was a possibility and she
said no, they wouldnt do that, mainly because daemon isnt big enough for
them distributionwise, she mentioned killrockstars and a couple of others i
cant recall.
someone will pick them up for sure. they are solid catalogue sellers. and
people who sell a lot fewer cds than them have record deals.
i still think the question will be whether they want a record deal. i cant
exactly say why, but i read almost everything that gets written about them
and i get the vibe emily is tiring while amy is just about to hit her
stride. im not surprised she's planning another solo cd, which i read
somewhere.
anyway, once again i ask if anyone has heard anything about a florida ig
show before the tour ends.
thanks.
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i was going through some stuff and found a really good picture my gf took
at an amy ray & the butchies show last year. it was at the metro in
chicago. we were really close. up against the barrier close.
<http://www.idea-inc.com/~acrain/pics/amy_smiling.jpg>
that's the whole scene, complete with a professional photographer's head
in the way. ;)
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that's a close up of amy. aw!
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well, there contracts are coming to an end. i would like the girls to =
sing together forever, but they are quickly coming to a crossroads. be =
interesting to see what they do. but knowing them, they will pick what =
they think is best for them. i really wonder if they will decide to part =
artistically and do their own thing for a while and then maybe get =
together for a new album now and then. anybody else have a thought on =
this?
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as long as we're flaming, we know the list isn't dying.
meanwhile, who else is concerned about that article from a couple days =
ago
that addressed the end of the girls' contract with epic? i mean, i =
know
they can always go indie, and we'll always love them and go to their
shows, but they're sounding a little less confident about that path =
than i
would like. meh?
-andrea
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well, there contracts are coming to an = end. i would=20 like the girls to sing together forever, but they are quickly coming to = a=20 crossroads. be interesting to see what they do. but knowing them, they = will pick=20 what they think is best for them. i really wonder if they will decide to = part=20 artistically and do their own thing for a while and then maybe get = together for=20 a new album now and then. anybody else have a thought on = this?<blockquote=20 0px? margin-right: solid; 2px #000000 5px; margin-left: padding-left: 0px; ----- original message ----- <div=20 10pt font-color:='black"' arial; font: #e4e4e4;from:=20 andrea=20 crain
to: <a=20 title=3dindigo-girls@lists.netspace.org=20 ='href=3d"mailto:indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org"'indigo-girls@lists.netspa= ce.org=20 sent: tuesday, july 09, 2002 = 9:32=20 am subject: well, look on the = bright=20 side.

as long as we're flaming, we know the list isn't=20 dying.

meanwhile, who else is concerned about that article from = a=20 couple days ago
that addressed the end of the girls' contract with = epic? i=20 mean, i know
they can always go indie, and we'll always love them = and go to=20 their
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hey y'all!
i can't wait for the portland show! if you'll be there come over and say hi.
i'll be in the first row emily's side wearing a light purple (or blue?)
shirt, a funky hat with alligators on it, and jeans. i am 5ft tall and have
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hey y'all!

i can't wait for the portland show! if you'll be there come over and say hi. i'll be in the first row emily's side wearing a light purple (or blue?) shirt, a funky hat with alligators on it, and jeans. i am 5ft tall and have an eyebrow ring. hope to meet some of you there!

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the contract with sony is for eight original studio albums. i'm pretty sure
"best of's" and live albums don't count. if you look at their list of
original studio albums right now, it stands at seven... that means one more
to fulfill their contract.
1. indigo girls
2. nomads indians saints
3. rites of passage
4. swamp ophelia
5. shaming of the sun
6. come on now social
7. become you
as for what they'll do after the eighth album comes out... i think they'll
go to a smaller label, (such as kill rock stars), and i think they've still
got music in them, (both as a duo, and as solo artists... esp. amy). but i
do think they'll probably slow down a bit. they both have other interests,
and whoever it was that noted emily seems less enthused about making music
these days -- i've sensed the same thing over the past year or two, though we
could be wrong. i think they'll be involved in music for years to come,
even if they slow down, (by that i mean touring less... maybe doing more gigs
that are close to home, etc.). anyway, that's just my humble opinion.
~lisa
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dear ticketmaster music fan,
what do the indigo girls do when not making sublime records like their
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let's lighten up! we should all get along here! "put down your weapons and love your neighbor as yourself!" straight, gay, lesbian, dyke...we're all here because we love ig. besides, i thought lesbians wore high heels and stockings and dykes wore comfortable shoes! yes, it's a joke. i'm a dyke.
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what about strange fire? or would epic not count that because it was before their contract and they just rereleased it?

"the contract with sony is for eight original studio albums. i'm pretty sure "best of's" and live albums don't count. if you look at their list of original studio albums right now, it stands at seven... that means one more to fulfill their contract.
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what about strange fire? or would epic not count that because it was before their contract and they just rereleased it? 
 
 
"the contract with sony is for eight original studio albums. i'm pretty sure "best of's" and live albums don't count. if you look at their list of original studio albums right now, it stands at seven... that means one more to fulfill their contract. 
 
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yeah but amy already runs one indie label. doubt she'd want to try two.
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might be good for them to do an ani and create their own indie label. they
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joe, you obviously have never had to take care of/watch someone die of aids.
i do believe you have reached an all new low. do you honestly think that
the act of posting (i.e making public your personal comments hence revealing
how truly immature and base you can be) private emails, *and i use the term
loosely*, to this list is worthy of aids?!?!
a statement of this magnitude, uttered with such careless lack of humanity,
is certainly not worthy of anyone subcribed to this list.
as someone who has taken care of numerous people dying of aids, who has
experienced the frustration and agony, of family members and victims, that
defines day-to-day living with aids, i can only say this:
get a clue and get some humanity. you are sorely lacking in both.
i really hope amy and emily are not reading the list on those *special*
ocassions when you decide to show your true colors.
truly disgusting..you must be so proud. set anything small and furry on
fire lately?
rugbygrrl
p.s. personally, if someone had sent me such nasty email *i* would have
posted it to the list as well..if nothing else but as a warning to everyone
else here what dark little surprises await those who dare to have an opinion
that differs from yours.

>from: spider london <furyspider@yahoo.co.uk>
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>date: tue, 9 jul 2002 15:27:02 -0700
>
>
>don't send me email like this sprdinosur. the subject has been changed but
>you can't seem to get over it. who's the ego tripper now? end of
>discussion.
>
>
>sprdinosur@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>...which is exactly the pool of scumbags you have included your self in by
>posting my private message to you on the global list.
>
>so i hope you slip into a bucket of aids.
>
>

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subject: e n o u g h a l r e a d y
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alright children...everybody put your heads on your desks for 15 minutes. we
all need a time-out. now, let's all behave like the "mature responsible
adults" we're supposed to be and stop this infantile flaming nonsense.
on a lighter note, i had what could be considered one of the beter ig
moments. while driving down the freeway a couple of days ago i passed a car
with a license plate frame that said a+e=ig. no big deal...until i read the
license plate itself...42n81s....
think about that for a second....
fortunate ones...
very clever.
<crawling back into my little cave of lurkdom>
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alright children...everybody put your heads on your desks for 15 minutes. we all need a time-out. now, let's all behave like the "mature responsible adults" we're supposed to be and stop this infantile flaming nonsense.

on a lighter note, i had what could be considered one of the beter ig moments. while driving down the freeway a couple of days ago i passed a car with a license plate frame that said a+e=ig. no big deal...until i read the license plate itself...42n81s....

think about that for a second....

fortunate ones...

very clever.

dawn
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that is so cool!!! how very smart! i want one. i love when i see anything
ig on another car. it is so rare around here. cool story, thanks for
sharing.
:)
mi rinda

on a lighter note, i had what could be considered one of the beter ig
moments. while driving down the freeway a couple of days ago i passed a car
with a license plate frame that said a+e=ig. no big deal...until i read the
license plate itself...42n81s....
think about that for a second....
fortunate ones...

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that is so cool!!! how very smart! i want one. i love when i see anything ig on another car. it is so rare around here. cool story, thanks for sharing.
:)
mi rinda

think about that for a second....

fortunate ones...

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hey
so if this counts as something that we should have stopped talking about
then i'm sorry - i'll take what's coming to me, punishment-wise :)
<<p.s. personally, if someone had sent me such nasty email *i* would have
posted it to the list as well..>>
i'm in total agreement with the list faq. private emails should remain
private.
if you feel you have to make a public point (and whether that's appropriate
or not is an entirely separate issue) you don't have to forward the entire
email. a paraphrase of the offending passage will certainly suffice. thanks.

so yeah, how 'bout those indigo girls?
that emily, she's a smiley one.
and man, does amy have taste in shoes or what?
mmmmm... indigo girls....
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regarding emily tiring - she's said several times that she really wanted to make another rock-type album and play electric guitar, but amy got her way over the bluegrass thing, which is not really em's thing.. maybe she feels frustrated right now? it certainly doesn't affect her live performance, imo.
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>date: wed, 10 jul 2002 10:02:04 edt
>
>the contract with sony is for eight original studio albums. i'm pretty sure
>"best of's" and live albums don't count. if you look at their list of
>original studio albums right now, it stands at seven... that means one more
>to fulfill their contract.
>
>1. indigo girls
>2. nomads indians saints
>3. rites of passage
>4. swamp ophelia
>5. shaming of the sun
>6. come on now social
>7. become you
>
>as for what they'll do after the eighth album comes out... i think they'll
>go to a smaller label, (such as kill rock stars), and i think they've still
>got music in them, (both as a duo, and as solo artists... esp. amy). but i
>do think they'll probably slow down a bit. they both have other interests,
>and whoever it was that noted emily seems less enthused about making music
>these days -- i've sensed the same thing over the past year or two, though we
>could be wrong. i think they'll be involved in music for years to come,
>even if they slow down, (by that i mean touring less... maybe doing more gigs
>that are close to home, etc.). anyway, that's just my humble opinion.
>
>~lisa
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that list is correct. only the original-material studio albums count; there's one more to go. so - it has to be new stuff.

peace,
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>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
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>date: wed, 10 jul 2002 15:06:35 -0400
>
> what about strange fire? or would epic not count that because it was before their contract and they just rereleased it?
>
>
>"the contract with sony is for eight original studio albums. i'm pretty sure "best of's" and live albums don't count. if you look at their list of original studio albums right now, it stands at seven... that means one more to fulfill their contract.
>
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>5. shaming of the sun
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if you live close enough, try and get your tics from reckless records upper street. no faffing about, it's just up the road from the uc.
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what do the indigo girls do when not making sublime records like their
latest album 'become you' and organizing stateside eco-activism? why
they play the union chapel of course! don't miss the chance to catch
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taste, yes. but how about amy's shirts? nice!
"neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com> wrote: hey
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 taste, yes. but how about amy's shirts? nice!
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<blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid">hey so if this counts as something that we should have stopped talking about then i'm sorry - i'll take what's coming to me, punishment-wise :) <<p.s. have posted it to the list as well..>> i'm in total agreement with the list faq. private emails should remain private. if you feel you have to make a public point (and whether that's appropriate or not is an entirely separate issue) you don't have to forward the entire email. a paraphrase of the offending passage will certainly suffice. thanks. so yeah, how 'bout those indigo girls? that emily, she's a smiley one. and man, does amy have taste in shoes or what? mmmmm... indigo girls.... neil @}--,--'-- -- please do not send excessive amounts of quoted text and/or nigc, long signatures, attachments or flames to the list. indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq: http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig</blockquote> <hr <http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig%3c/blockquote%3e%3cp%3e%3cbr%3e%3chr> size=1>do you yahoo!? 
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dave,
i have seen some on sale at ebay. i don't know but you can also try the =
merchandise page at www.indigogirls.com <http://www.indigogirls.com/>.
good luck!
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on a lighter note, i had what could be considered one of the beter =
ig moments. while driving down the freeway a couple of days ago i =
passed a car with a license plate frame that said a+e=3dig. =20
wow....i would love to have an a+e=3dig license plate frame. anyone =
know where i could get one?
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i have seen some on sale at ebay. i = don't know but=20 you can also try the merchandise page at <a=20 href='3d"http://www.indigogirls.com"'www.indigogirls.com.=
good luck!
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go for a whole slew of
previously un-indigoed material...

yah---all new un-indigoed, that's my vote. 80% new and 20% old would be great too...
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ah, for fun, perhaps we could come up with the tracks that could go on the
cover album. (why do i always say album/record?). this is so dorky, not the
best song lyrically, i know, but i would like to hear amy sing springfield's
jesse's girl. well, i guess that one should be saved for an amy solo cover
record. what songs would ya'll like to hear the girls cover that they have
never covered? i'm thinking we've done this before, but hell, why not again?
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ah, for fun, perhaps we could come up with the tracks that could go on the cover album. (why do i always say album/record?). this is so dorky, not the best song lyrically, i know, but i would like to hear amy sing springfield's jesse's girl. well, i guess that one should be saved for an amy solo cover record. what songs would ya'll like to hear the girls cover that they have never covered? i'm thinking we've done this before, but hell, why not again?
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they should cover g 'n r............".........take me down to the
paradise city where the grass is green and the girls are
pretty........."that would be a crowd pleasing line for sure, i still
get goosebumps when everyone screams following this line "beautiful
ladies walk right by, you know i never know what to say" and i am a guy.
in light of the recent ill feelings, this leads to why i dig the indigo
girls, especially live. where else can you go and everyone is on the
same page, but an ig show. nothing makes me feel like the world can be a
better place, like an ig show.
cheers-
todd
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> never covered?
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i for one would totally dig a cover album...i have always thought that
amy singing pearl jam's "daughter" (or "jeremy," perhaps) would sound
fantastic. however, i doubt they'd jump on it...had to laugh when i saw
"jesse's girl" listed. i'd actually like to hear emily do that one.
also, i think "beast of burden" would sound super cool too.
hmm...
maybe i'll dream of ig singing covers tonight.
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>any other indigo girls hidden meanings in license plates on the list? i
>love the previously mentioned one that had "42n81s" - that is really
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i heard someone had 115ur17.

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cuz according to the feds, there is no such thing as area 51.
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april koonce wrote:
> ah, for fun, perhaps we could come up with the tracks that could go on
> the cover album. (why do i always say album/record?). this is so
> dorky, not the best song lyrically, i know, but i would like to hear
> amy sing springfield's jesse's girl. well, i guess that one should be
> saved for an amy solo cover record. what songs would ya'll like to
> hear the girls cover that they have never covered? i'm thinking we've
> done this before, but hell, why not again?
> april
joey by concrete blonde,
definitely.
although i can't decide if i'd rather hear amy sing it or emily...
joey, baby - don't get crazy
detours. fences... i get defensive
i know you've heard it all before -
so i don't say it anymore
i just stand by and watch you
fight your secret war.
although i used to wonder why -
i used to cry till i was dry.
still sometimes i get a strange pain
inside
oh, joey, if you're hurting so am i.
joey, honey - i got some money
all is forgiven. listen, listen
and if i seem to be confused
i didn't mean to be with you.
and when you said i scared you,
well i guess you scared me too.
but we got lucky once before
and if you're somewhere out there
passed out on the floor.
oh joey, i'm not angry anymore.
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april koonce wrote:
ah, for fun, perhaps we could come up with the tracks that could go on the cover album. (why do i always say album/record?). this is so dorky, not the best song lyrically, i know, but i would like to hear amy sing springfield's jesse's girl. well, i guess that one should be saved for an amy solo cover record. what songs would ya'll like to hear the girls cover that they have never covered? i'm thinking we've done this before, but hell, why not again?
april

joey by concrete blonde,
definitely.
although i can't decide if i'd rather hear amy sing it or emily...
joey, baby - don't get crazy
detours. fences... i get defensive
i know you've heard it all before -
so i don't say it anymore
i just stand by and watch you
fight your secret war.
although i used to wonder why -
i used to cry till i was dry.
still sometimes i get a strange pain
inside
oh, joey, if you're hurting so am i.
joey, honey - i got some money
all is forgiven. listen, listen
and if i seem to be confused
i didn't mean to be with you.
and when you said i scared you,
well i guess you scared me too.
but we got lucky once before
and if you're somewhere out there
passed out on the floor.
oh joey, i'm not angry anymore.
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my friend and i have talked about this before. here are some songs we
would like to hear them cover:
take it easy by the eagles
at seventeen by janis ian
hurricane by bob dylan (even though ani did it)
here comes your man by the pixies hehehe
something by r.e.m., possibly losing my religion or it's the end of the
world as we know it.
jer
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somebody wrote:
>> regarding emily tiring - she's said several times that she really wanted to
>> make another rock-type album and play electric guitar, but amy got her way
>> over the bluegrass thing, which is not really em's thing.. maybe she feels
>> frustrated right now? it certainly doesn't affect her live performance,
>> imo.

i havent seen them live this tour. i saw them five times last tour including
the three nyc shows and i thot they blew the roof off the place, especially
that band-version opening to ozilline.
i dont think emily seemed tired during those shows. no doubt about it: emily
rocked. i dont even think her songs on cons or by seem tired (tho, i didnt
really totally dig andy or we are together or peace tonight, i loved
trouble, cold beer and philosophy of loss. and on by she's saving me,
deconstruction, hope alone and collecting you are some of my favorite
tracks.)
but emily's songs for so long were like the ig gold standard to me. dont get
me wrong, ive always love 'em both -- and world falls and tried to be true
and land of canaan and kid fears are all wonderful early amy songs -- but
emily's earlier stuff -- really right through swamp ophelia -- just knocked
me out. she's always had the ability to say volumes, distill an entire
chapter of my life or nail a universal sentiment in one verse in a way not
many songwriters can. amy took longer to bloom. and she still doesnt have
that knock out turn of the phrase like emily does. amy nails it in a
different way, actually, but that's a different post.
emily's stuff was just astounding to me tho and it still resonates:
--"darkness has a hunger that's insatiable. lightness has a call that's hard
to hear.''
--"and the mississippi's mighty
but it starts in minnesota
at a place that you could walk across
with five steps down
and i guess that's how you started
like a pinprick to my heart
but at this point you rush right through me
and i start to drown" (man, if that dont describe angsty love i dont know
what does.)

--"so i just sit up in the house and resist
and not be seen until i cease to exist
a kind of conscientious objection
a kind of dodging the draft" (i dont know what she meant cause i'm not in
her head, but when i heard that it sounded a lot like my whole coming out
struggle distilled in one rhyming verse of genius.)
--"there i am in younger days, star gazing
painting picture perfect maps
of how my life and love would be
not counting the unmarked paths of misdirection
my compass, faith in love's perfection
i missed ten million miles of road i should have seen"

--"we're sculpted from youth
the chipping away makes me weary
and as for the truth
it seems like we just pick a theory
and it's the one that justifies our daily lives..."
--"whatever has happened to anyone else
could happen to you and to me
and the end of my youth was the possible truth
that it all happens randomly"
(my thanks to the folks at lifeblood.net for making cutting and pasting ig
lyrics easy.)
i could go on and on and on. i know the last two examples are from by and
cons, but they, to me, are the exceptions on those cds rather than the rule.
to me, she's not nailing it as often on each release as she used to. i know
it's not that she's lost the ability. maybe it is because she's
concentrating more on the music and experimenting sonically, which is fine.
whatever the reason is, she's entitled, the songs are still far better that
95% of what's out there and i'm along for the ride for the long haul.
but i do wonder if maybe it's because she's tired. im the same age as ig, so
maybe im projecting and see it thru my lens at this age which is not her
lens. but i know, for instance, ive been a journalist for 18 years, i love
it, i will always be one despite other interests, but after 18 years there
are patches when my writing gets tired and i get tired. and i dont fling
myself totally into every story that breaks without regard for anything
else in my life to achieve my absolute best everytime anymore. i cant. my
life is fuller now than it used to be, there are more interests and more
tugs at my time, heart and soul. i was a late-bloomer on that full life
thing. i wasnt a late bloomer professionally. so my focus has shifted i
guess and on paper, i dont nail it every time any more. maybe i'll get a
fellowship someday and get a year off and come back refreshed. or maybe this
is how it is supposed to be when you get a full life. who knows.
but my point is that the ever so slight fall off, in my opinion, in what i
think have been a long career of consistently exceptional and beautiful
lyrics coupled with what i read and hear in interviews now just makes me
wonder if maybe emily's heading for a place where she's going to take a
break and do something different than ig for a spell.
maybe we'll get lucky and it'll be a solo cd.
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 00:20:56 -0700
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here is our 2x a year ig-list posting (read it more often. post hardly ever).
whoo hooo!! great concert - looong with tons of songs! what an awesome
show and was cool to see vonda shepherd, too.
i don't have to post the setlist this year because someone right in front
of me was actually taking notes of each song, each band member's name, etc.
- so i know she'll get it far more accurately than my memory would! love
the drummer - he is fantastic - anyone know what else he's played? saw
lots of people who look painfully familiar.. but we're shy sort of folks so
didn't talk to any of you, and we apologize. heck, some folks looked like
the crews we met at the bumbershoot concert a gazillion years ago when we
first met! so consider this post our apologetic "hi!!!! how y'all doing!!"
since we're too a'feared to say so in person.
and while we're here, anyone know the meaning behind "yield"? who's she
talking about, what's the context? driving me nuts.
and finally, any chance the melbourne wrecking crew t-shirts are still
available anywhere? just asking, worth a try.
oh and by the way, i personally am very much in favor of this trend of
showing belly-buttons so all the cute chicks who did this already - thank
you and the rest of you, chop some tshirts. rut roh... jeni says i'm being
lewd and lascivious and need to go to bed cuz' it's a work night and i'm
buggin you nice people now. apologies where requested.
whoo hoooooooo! and nigh nigh.... silly jobs...

bernadette by the four tops (amy would be best singing this one)
while my guitar gently weeps by the beatles
gimme shelter by the rolling stones

im sure there are countless others id like to hear, but those came to mind first.

ehren
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 02:38:22 -0700
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the pier, seattle, wa - wednesday, july 10, 2002
opener: vonda shepard
setlist (jotted down as they played):
bitterroot
tried to be true
get out the map
become you
power of two
ozilline
watershed
shame on you
closer to fine (with vonda)
moment of forgiveness
collecting you
johnny rottentail
hope alone
chickenman
least complicated
yield
deconstruction
faye tucker
galileo
--encore-- (amy says "we have time for three more songs")
reunion
ghost
go
seattle had spectacular weather today which just added to the awesome ig performance. early on emily
said "on a day like this, seattle has to be the best place in the world!".
somewhere around become you and power of two, amy invited those standing behind the roped off area
in front of the stage to come up to the stage. the event staff moved the ropes aside and those
standing rushed to the stage. it was amazing to watch amy and emily's faces as they responded to the
people who had come closer-- they smiled, chatted, laughed and there seemed to be such an exchange
of energy. there were times when emily seemed to be just beaming as she looked out over the crowd.
at the end of ozilline, amy said "that's for my grandma... rest in peace" as she motioned to the
heavens with her hand and her upturned eyes. then she added, "and everyone's grandma". both amy and
emily sang the song with great respect. they brought the crowd from the "peppy" part: "when your
body's broken" down to a very quiet, very slow "ask her where it hurts/what a blessed sky". it was moving.
was it just me?-- i thought i heard emily sing "every five days i look back on my life and have a
good laugh" instead of "every five years" during watershed.
there was some technical difficulty prior to shame on you so amy took questions. someone asked how
old she was. amy said that she was getting to the age where you don't tell but she did admit to
being 38. another question was what did they do today. amy went kayaking, as did carol (isaacs -
keyboards). emily was on capital hill trying out different foods, claire (kinney - bass) was also on
capital hill ??? (fuzzy memory here) and brady (blade - drums) was at the mall eating.
amy performed johnny rottentail at such a pace and with such intensity, i thought she was going to
explode. emily's solo in chickenman was equally amazing. i love to watch them play.

gotta go, it's waaay past my bedtime,
elizabeth

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partner told me that she saw someone else jotting down notes during the show.
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 08:45:53 -0400
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 09:18:45 -0400
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she definitely did it at wolf trap..........me

sorry to re-post, but let me clarify (whoops!).....she changed "five years"
to "five days"......

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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 09:23:52 -0400
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thanks for posting these lyrics. as an amy person i tend to pay less
attention to emily songs (frankly, they tend to not stick in my head as
much as amy's songs), but you have reminded me that my first favorite ig
song was pod! i remember putting on my head phones and walking around
campus (ann arbor, for anyone interested) and listening to pod (all of
nis, really) over and over again. for me it was about coming out and about
having felt really sad and alone for a long time. some of her stuff is
amazing! and can speak to me in such a profound way.
anyway, i've hit a bit of a rough patch lately and reading these lyrics
and thinking back to old feelings is making my cry in a good way. some
things that are constant are really good and positive and enjoyable to
have around - thanks for the girls, you know?
and since i'm delurking for a quick second (back to lurkdom i go!) i have
2 more things to say: first, this list is amazing because i love being able
to send personal email that i know at least a few people will appreciate
and understand. that is so amazing. i mean, i haven't even met most of
you, but usually when i send around an email (about every 6 months) i get
a few responses from people that are really sweet and supportive. we have
this unusual bond, i think. second, this last round of posting was one of
the most offensive i've ever seen, in so many ways. and, to make it worse, i
didn't even get the point. usually this list is pretty good at avoiding
people talking just to hear themselves talk, but that clearly happened
this time. this is usually a place where women (straight, dyke, queer,
bi, lesbian, tranny, etc) can speak (somewhat) freely (it seems to me) and
not feel bludgeoned. let's keep it that way!!
okay okay i'm going to start working now. happy thursday everyone.
nancy
> emily's stuff was just astounding to me tho and it still resonates:
>
> --"darkness has a hunger that's insatiable. lightness has a call that's hard
> to hear.''
>
> --"and the mississippi's mighty
> but it starts in minnesota
> at a place that you could walk across
> with five steps down
> and i guess that's how you started
> like a pinprick to my heart
> but at this point you rush right through me
> and i start to drown" (man, if that dont describe angsty love i dont know
> what does.)
>
>
> --"so i just sit up in the house and resist
> and not be seen until i cease to exist
> a kind of conscientious objection
> a kind of dodging the draft" (i dont know what she meant cause i'm not in
> her head, but when i heard that it sounded a lot like my whole coming out
> struggle distilled in one rhyming verse of genius.)
>
> --"there i am in younger days, star gazing
> painting picture perfect maps
> of how my life and love would be
> not counting the unmarked paths of misdirection
> my compass, faith in love's perfection
> i missed ten million miles of road i should have seen"
>
>
> --"we're sculpted from youth
> the chipping away makes me weary
> and as for the truth
> it seems like we just pick a theory
> and it's the one that justifies our daily lives..."
>
> --"whatever has happened to anyone else
> could happen to you and to me
> and the end of my youth was the possible truth
> that it all happens randomly"
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 10:20:46 -0400
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i've posted this here many times, i'd love to hear ig do the song "4th of july" by dave alvin.
why not a more recent recording of "in the bleak mid-winter"
as well?
amy always said one of her favorite songs was "strange fruit"
by billie holliday.
i think an album of covers would work, because i think we all remember how impressive it was when amy tackled "romeo and
juliet" by mark knofler on "rites of passage."
-scott
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 10:26:38 -0400
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a member of the ig bbs has recently done a series of interviews with amy and
emily which are being "shopped around" to la weekly and cdnow.com he posted
the following excerpt in which he asks emily about the possibility of a
rarities/cover album and here is what she has to say:

ken k: have you ever thought of putting out a collection of rarities and
b-sides so the fans would have some of those early recordings and
harder-to-find covers you've done?
emily saliers: not exactly. we did the 1200 curfews album, and we spent a
lot of time picking live songs that were special for one reason or another,
sort of different from the studio recordings. but as far as really obscure
stuff, i usually don't like it. (laughs) which is why it remains obscure.
kk: there was a song years ago called "never stop"..?
es: oh god!
kk: when i saw you play that, you said it was going to be the last time you
ever played it. and i remember thinking, "that's too bad," 'cuz it was a
good little tune.
es: (laughing) yeah, it's a good tune, but when i listen to the lyrics now,
it's like, "oh god, please."
kk: so you have those moments when you think back on a song and think, "what
was i thinking?"
es: hell yeah, all the time. "never stop" is a prime example.
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 09:41:38 -0500
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thanks for that. it is a cringeworthy song, lyrics-wise. but it's so
catchy. she should put new words to it. or we could. anybody feelin'
creative?
on thu, 11 jul 2002, <victoria heckler> wrote:
> a member of the ig bbs has recently done a series of interviews with amy and
> emily which are being "shopped around" to la weekly and cdnow.com he posted
> the following excerpt in which he asks emily about the possibility of a
> rarities/cover album and here is what she has to say:
>
>
> ken k: have you ever thought of putting out a collection of rarities and
> b-sides so the fans would have some of those early recordings and
> harder-to-find covers you've done?
>
> emily saliers: not exactly. we did the 1200 curfews album, and we spent a
> lot of time picking live songs that were special for one reason or another,
> sort of different from the studio recordings. but as far as really obscure
> stuff, i usually don't like it. (laughs) which is why it remains obscure.
>
> kk: there was a song years ago called "never stop"..?
>
> es: oh god!
>
> kk: when i saw you play that, you said it was going to be the last time you
> ever played it. and i remember thinking, "that's too bad," 'cuz it was a
> good little tune.
>
> es: (laughing) yeah, it's a good tune, but when i listen to the lyrics now,
> it's like, "oh god, please."
>
> kk: so you have those moments when you think back on a song and think, "what
> was i thinking?"
>
> es: hell yeah, all the time. "never stop" is a prime example.
>
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hey all. i have one extra ticket to the saturday night berkeley show. it's
in section h, row 2 (which is 8 rows back from the stage), on the amy side.
i'll charge what i paid, which is $40 + $9.40 ticket master charges.
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 10:51:19 edt
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i've said it before and i'll say it again, the have to cover the rolling
stones' 'beast of burden"
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 10:57:18 edt
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hey everyone. i have 1 extra ticket to saturday night's berkeley concert.
it's in section h, row 2 (which is 8 rows back from the stage) on the amy
side. i'll charge what i paid - $40 ticket + $9.40 misc. ticket charges.
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 11:00:53 -0500
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one song that i know they have covered before is "wild horses" by the
rolling stones. they hit that one perfectly. i'd love to have an official
studio recording of that.
:)
mi rinda
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 12:48:55 edt
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this would be my ideal lineup for a studio recording of covers, with some
guests sitting in:
1. romeo and juliet (with mark knopfler)
2. all along the watchtower (with bob dylan)
3. no expectations (with the rolling stones)
4. uncle john's band (with hart, lesh and weir)
5. fugitive (with tom petty)
6. midnight train to georgia (with gail ann dorsey and gladys knight and the
pips)
7. down by the river (with neil young)
8. blister in the sun (with the violent femmes)
9. wild horses (with the stones)
10. big yellow taxi (with joni mitchell) - they did this at an earth day
performance at stone mtn georgia ca. 1993, sans joni mitchell but w/nanci
griffiths, jackson browne and mary chapin carpenter and it was phenomenal. i
personally don't like their cover of river.
11. brown eyed girl (with van morrison)
12. cortez the killer (with neil young)
13. smells like teen spirit (with spearhead's michael franti)
hey, if we're going to dream, i say dream big.
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this would be my ideal lineup for a studio recording of covers, with some guests sitting in:

1. romeo and juliet (with mark knopfler)
2. all along the watchtower (with bob dylan)
3. no expectations (with the rolling stones)
4. uncle john's band (with hart, lesh and weir)
5. fugitive (with tom petty)
6. midnight train to georgia (with gail ann dorsey and gladys knight and the pips)
7. down by the river (with neil young)
8. blister in the sun (with the violent femmes)
9. wild horses (with the stones)
10. big yellow taxi (with joni mitchell) - they did this at an earth day performance at stone mtn georgia ca. 1993, sans joni mitchell but w/nanci griffiths, jackson browne and mary chapin carpenter and it was phenomenal. i personally don't like their cover of river.
11. brown eyed girl (with van morrison)
12. cortez the killer (with neil young)
13. smells like teen spirit (with spearhead's michael franti)

hey, if we're going to dream, i say dream big.
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 10:40:39 -0700
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if anyone has two extra tickets to the berkeley show, please let me know.
thank you!
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 12:05:02 -0700
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subject: yield
yield seems to have evolved from cut it out, which was written after amy broke
up with cooper seay. i never liked cut it out ... too raw and vituperative.
yield covers some of the same terrain, but bears the brunt of the bitterness
with a matter-of-fact acceptance that comes with time.
april
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 14:16:16 -0500
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really, you think it's cooper-based? i thought it sounds more like a
jennifer song. the green room is where people wait to do tv shows, and i
was picturing amy coming to visit her while she was doing a book tour for
the manifesta book. the situation that never yields would be their
constant separation because of their careers. but i guess it would fit as
a song about an ex, too. have we got any quotes from amy about the song?
anybody see any articles?
-andrea
on thu, 11 jul 2002, april haitsuka wrote:
> yield seems to have evolved from cut it out, which was written after amy broke
> up with cooper seay. i never liked cut it out ... too raw and vituperative.
> yield covers some of the same terrain, but bears the brunt of the bitterness
> with a matter-of-fact acceptance that comes with time.
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> april
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 15:21:42 -0400
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i thought this song was totally about jennifer baumgardner. the "you were
so baroque, all of those words..." part totally smacks of jb...just read
"manifesta," if you don't believe me. and the "...i once stumbled on these
words...something you might never stumble on, dear..." totally
jennifer...totally eloquent. and the "learn to yield" part...from what some
of her former colleagues have told me, this totally suits her. but this is
just my interpretation.
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really, you think it's cooper-based? i thought it sounds more like a
jennifer song. the green room is where people wait to do tv shows, and i
was picturing amy coming to visit her while she was doing a book tour for
the manifesta book. the situation that never yields would be their
constant separation because of their careers. but i guess it would fit as
a song about an ex, too. have we got any quotes from amy about the song?
anybody see any articles?
-andrea
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 15:51:57 -0400
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<<and the "learn to yield" part...from what some of her former colleagues
have told me, this totally suits her. but this is just my interpretation.>>
too much time spent on i-95 in rush hour and i've begun thinking it's was an
ode to road rage. there's a parody just waiting to be born. actually it
doesn't need all that much work. think about it...
yeah you were so broke
all of those words
just to tell me go
and you were so soft spoken
with all of the others
who said you weren't broken
oh they just let you go
when you're three days down the highway
and you're looking like i feel
and it takes a lot to keep it going
it takes a lot to keep it real
take some time for yourself
and learn to yield

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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 15:54:34 -0400
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well the lyrics are a little off but i agree with you in the sense that
it's a f'n great driving song :)
that's a thread i could start. i used to have a tape called "road trip
indigo" (before i got a truck with a cd player) that had some great farkin'
songs on it for driving (and speeding tickets). but i didn't update it
beyond sots. but i'd totally rearrange it including some songs from cons,
by and amy's stag album...actually most of amy's stag. :)
what songs would you put on your driving tape?
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 16:24:32 -0400
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well, the first song on my driving tape would be...obviously...
get out the map!!!
actually, my daughter became completely sick and tired of that song as i sped across i-80 to yellowstone in the summer of 2000! but it definitely got me through the ride and i will forever be indebted to emily for writing such a great tune!
i'd also add deconstruction (although i totally love that song) because every time i see one of those road construction signs here in michigan that's the song that is on the cd player. it's weird, kinda like a phone call to my psychic friend...
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 21:50:11 +0000
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sarah wrote:
>i've said it before and i'll say it again, the have to cover the rolling
>stones' 'beast of burden"
oh yeah, i can hear amy belting out, "i'll never be your beast of burden"
right now. :)

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ok well my plates are dvotion of course after the wonderful amy song...and a
plate discussion is one i've always wanted to start...i've thought of
some...but i gotta be honest and not lie to you here when i tell ya that i
don't get 42n81s...am i totally missing it? someone help me? what does that
mean?
carla ;o)
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a hint. we are 42n81s, i swear.
-andrea
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> ok well my plates are dvotion of course after the wonderful amy song...and a
> plate discussion is one i've always wanted to start...i've thought of
> some...but i gotta be honest and not lie to you here when i tell ya that i
> don't get 42n81s...am i totally missing it? someone help me? what does that
> mean?
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> carla ;o)
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 21:59:17 -0400
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once i was driving into yosemite and just as i looked at half dome world falls came on.
"everywhere i turn
all the beauty just keeps shaking me"
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 22:19:54 -0500
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check out this link. it has some great pictures from the taste of chicago
show on july 4th. first time seeing amy in pigtails close up. i dig em!
<http://216.33.240.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=en&lah=d2d6aea98815d45b0553a79f48>
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your way through the site to their photo album area. happy lookin---greg
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date: thu, 11 jul 2002 20:34:33 -0700
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anyone boot either/both seattle pier shows? we'd love to get on the boot
list(s) if so? anyone ? anyone?

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personally i love mystery just as you are starting out a trip --
starts kind of mellow then gradually builds. fugitive is very good
for this too. then break into the more rocking stuff like shame on
you, devotion, and dar williams' as cool as i am....
on a different note, is anyone as disappointed in deconstruction as i
am? i think its the way that the chorus works on by that gets me.
reading the lyrics, they are pretty good (not as good as ghost or
loves recovery, but few things are). however every time i hear that
pregnant pause "a deconstruction ... of love" it drives me nuts. to
me it sounds almost like some sophomoric catch phrase ("its my toyota
... of love" or "the magic 8-ball ... of love"). i wish they would
have recorded this differently, i get so distracted i don't think i
give the rest of the tune a chance.
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date: fri, 12 jul 2002 12:10:53 +0100
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hi there,
just a quick heads up to the uk listees. boys on the side (the 1995
movie featuring a cameo appearance by ig) is on bbc 2 tonight at
12:20am.
my tv guide describes it as "a passable weepie road trip drama starring
whoopie goldberg, mary-louise parker and drew barrymore". but more
importantly it stars our girls (they play joking and a snip of southland
and power of two's on the soundtrack)!
so if you haven't seen it i recommend setting your vcr - you can have
fun spotting the scenes where a&e are used as extras!
it should keep us going until the august tour :-)
see ya,
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someone asked me what i had on my tape. i'd have to look at it (it's
buried...packed) but recalling, it mostly had these:
rockin' in a free world w/ k's choice (from the po2 single), world falls,
chickenman, get out the map, shame on you, i don't wanna know, joking, bury
my heart at wounded knee, hammer and a nail, make it easier, strange fire
(because it's good to belt), tried to be true, buncha others. i'll have to
update it :)
just fast stuff to drive to. :)
peace!
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just to show ya how much of a ig-dork (i mean that in a
non-self-deprecating way) i am, i won a "guess how many jelly beans are in
this crystal pitcher" contest. you won the picture and your etching of
choice on it. and i had that line from world falls etched on it.
still have it too. :) somewhere....(still haven't totally unpacked my
stuff from moving 8 months ago!!!)
ok...gotta get to work now....:)
peace
tracy
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once i was driving into yosemite and just as i looked at half dome world
falls came on.
"everywhere i turn
all the beauty just keeps shaking me"
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sister comees to mind as a road song, since amy refers to a bike trip with this one.
also, touch me fall reminds me of driving since i read while amy was on her way to record it, she had some kind of car trouble, and i can hear her repeating "drive only in this right lane" during one of the faster parts before "jump, jump,..."
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the best part of this movie as far as ig goes, in my opinion, is the part
where emily is playing "mellow yellow" and everyone else is singing along!
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hi there,
just a quick heads up to the uk listees. boys on the side (the 1995
movie featuring a cameo appearance by ig) is on bbc 2 tonight at
12:20am.
my tv guide describes it as "a passable weepie road trip drama starring
whoopie goldberg, mary-louise parker and drew barrymore". but more
importantly it stars our girls (they play joking and a snip of southland
and power of two's on the soundtrack)!
so if you haven't seen it i recommend setting your vcr - you can have
fun spotting the scenes where a&e are used as extras!
it should keep us going until the august tour :-)
see ya,
jen
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this is tough! ig do soooooooooooo many songs well that it's hard to pick
which to go on a covers album.
here are the ones that occur to me immediately assuming 12 tracks on the cd:
"you are the everything" rem
"what's going on" marvin gaye
"wish you were here" pink floyd
"gallows pole" led zeppelin
"elderly woman behind the counter in a small town" pearl jam
"the man's too strong" dire straits
"visions of johanna" bob dylan (or just about any dylan)
"silver springs" fleetwood mac
"hazy shade of winter" simon and garfunkel (which would be my top choice)
"what a wonderful world" louis armstrong
"sweet thing" van morrison
"runaway trains" tom petty
alternate track/bside: "tonight" smashing pumpkins
sigh. i realize most of these are probably songs ig will never do...except
in my dreams.
cheers,
tom
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makes it harder to be livin'
he said, 'it's a long road to be forgiven."
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>joey by concrete blonde,
>definitely.
>although i can't decide if i'd rather hear amy sing it or emily...
that's funny. i thought of this one, too, but it just didn't make my short
list. i think i'd like to hear amy on it, but i am a bigger fan of amy's
than emily's, so i'm biased.
off topic: i saw concrete blonde play on sunday in it kicked ass! go see
them if you get a chance. they will rock you!
cheers,
tom
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he said, 'it's a long road to be forgiven."
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date: fri, 12 jul 2002 11:23:14 -0400
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i think it'd be cool to hear them sing domino by van morrison. it's kinda
harmonious...fast...fun...
tracy
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made me pop in 1200 curfews, and i'm listening to back together again, and
it says "if you want to know the secret behind the smile, you've got to
ask a tuesday's child."
so i looked up the rhyme and their birthdays. emily is a monday's child,
which would actually make her "fair of face". meanwhile, amy was born on
the sabbath day, making her "bonny and blythe, and good and gay." (yep,
she's good and gay, all right. so that's what happened.) neither is a
tuesday's child, full of grace. i wonder what made them write that.
has this been covered before? probably. oh well.
-andrea (friday's child, loving and giving. clearly not a saturday's
child, since i'm goofing off at work.)
monday's child is fair of face,
tuesday's child is full of grace,
wednesday's child is full of woe,
thursday's child has far to go,
friday's child is loving and giving,
saturday's child works hard for its living,
but a child that's born on the sabbath day
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i thought one of the very first songs they did together was called tuesday's
child. but i could be wrong.
anyway, last night's show in portland was great, outside of getting busted
by the security guard/usher lady for dancing in the aisle. apparently having
too much fun at this particular venue can be a fire hazard.
side note: amy was wearing these crazy red kilt-pants, connected behind the
knees with a loose strap. has anybody seen her wear these before? maybe we
could have an interesting kilt-pants thread.
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well, for starters, tuesday's children was also a psychedelic type band from
the late sixties. aside from that, amy and emily titled their first
cassette "tuesday's children." amy also wrote a song called "tuesday's
children," which appeared on this cassette. my thought about this has
always been that "tuesday's children" was just a phrase that amy and emily,
in their youthful exuberance, thought was "cool." but, when i read the
lyrics to "tuesday's children," it makes the most sense to me that amy is
referring to her musical partnership with emily, especially given the fact
that this tape was made in 1981, just as emily was going off to college at
tulane. this way, the "tuesday's child" reference makes sense in "back
together again," since it seems to be about amy and emily happily reuniting
after time spent apart..."and if you wanna know the secret behind the smile,
you gotta ask a tuesday's child..."

well, this is just my interpretation, but it works for me!!!
tuesday's children
we're falling short of time
let's hope we never fall short of love
memories linger like the fog on the sea
keeping me out of touch with my reality
nothing could ever mean as much to me
as tuesday's children
sometimes i feel like i'm falling short of myself
who i am
what i choose to be
most of the time tuesday's children
brings it all back and down to me
these people
these friends of ours
let's put them on another day
just leave me tuesdays children
i can face the world my own way
times like these make me wish
everyday was a tuesday
tuesday's children
you've been so good to me
tuesday's children
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yep ~
she wore them at the dte in pine knob.
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"we are together"? did they ever play that song live? i was just
listening to it last night, and i love it. it's so breezy and soulful.
someone tell me they played this live at least once!
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she also wore them at the seattle show on july 10th.
lindy

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excellent pics! did anyone hear cathy richardson? i like her a lot. i
hear her on a state farm commercial out here on the east coast which
makes me both nostalgic and sad - all that talent being used for a silly
state farm commercial - but at least she's gettin' paid, right?

kathrin siegmund wrote:
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> hi all!
>
> <http://www.wxrt.com/connection/album/fourth.html>
> just to make it easier for everyone who wants to see those pics greg
> mentioned:).
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a friend pointed this column in todays star and tribune in a section
called itemworld
here it is.
______________________________________
citizen amy
the indigo girls are known for their activism, but amy ray got more
involved in the minneapolis community than she might have
liked before the group's concert last friday
at the historic state theatre. while biking before the show, ray
happened upon some
guys working themselves up to a fight.
when the talk turned to the guns that needed to
be put away so they could fight like men ("whatever that means") she
dialed 9-1-1 on her cell phone. unfortunately, she only knew she was "
in a park by the mississippi river." ray spent ten minutes trying to
direct the police to the park, but by then the guys "dispersed to play
basketball."
in her fetching concert get-up of braided pigtails, black tank top and
tartan skirt, she looked like a catholic school girl gone bad,
someone who could have restored order herself
with nothing more than a wink and a stern look. (c.k.)
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hey wendell,
i believe this has been discussed here before - i recall a listee describing
her frustration that the song wasn't played when she saw the girls after she
had gone through all the trouble of dressing up like a rabbit holding a
stuffed dog!
i also believe i read somewhere emily saying that the song just isn't
feasible live. very unfortunate as this is one of my favourite songs on
cons.
peace,
joey
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>date: fri, jul 12, 2002, 12:26 pm
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> "we are together"? did they ever play that song live? i was just
> listening to it last night, and i love it. it's so breezy and soulful.
> someone tell me they played this live at least once!
>
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hi there,
i dunno if this has been posted already (i'm on digest) but i just read
an ad for the ig show at the union chapel on 3 aug that says that the
support will be author sarah waters. it's billed as "an evening of words
and music". sounds interesting. have ig ever had a writer as an opener
before?? i confess i'm not familiar with the name but i'm about to go
and do some research!
just 3 weeks to go :-)
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sarah waters wrote one of my favorite books ever, called "tipping the
velvet". you all should check it out, i couldn't put it down! i work in a
bookstore in suburban pa, and actually her books are rather popular in our
store.
elise

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<< hi there,
i dunno if this has been posted already (i'm on digest) but i just read
an ad for the ig show at the union chapel on 3 aug that says that the
support will be author sarah waters. it's billed as "an evening of words
and music". sounds interesting. have ig ever had a writer as an opener
before?? i confess i'm not familiar with the name but i'm about to go
and do some research!
just 3 weeks to go :-)
jen
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hi there!

here's an interview with her on booksense.com.
<http://www.booksense.com/people/archive/waterssarah.jsp>
there's also a website sarahwaters.co.uk but i doubt that it's hers...
dunno.
be well,
kathrin
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my body's full of longing for you to know me well...."
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hi again!
so, sarahwaters.co.uk is definitely not her site, judging by the photos of
her on this one:
<http://www.bookpeople.com/infobook.html?isbn=watersspg>
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ok we have bcomeu & 42net1...........yea nh!!!!!
my former plate was crz4ig
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em's side band from the mid 90's, that is. :-)
thanks to joey i was able to hear one of their shows and am curious
about the band.
who was in it? how aften they played, etc?
anyone see them?
diane
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well, i didn't get to go, but i recall hearing that the sufragette
sessions tour had spoken word performers as well as music. but as an
opener for a regular concert, i haven't heard of that happening.
on sat, 13 jul 2002, jenmcqueen wrote:
> hi there,
>
> i dunno if this has been posted already (i'm on digest) but i just read
> an ad for the ig show at the union chapel on 3 aug that says that the
> support will be author sarah waters. it's billed as "an evening of words
> and music". sounds interesting. have ig ever had a writer as an opener
> before?? i confess i'm not familiar with the name but i'm about to go
> and do some research!
>
> just 3 weeks to go :-)
>
> jen
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hash existed around 1996 and featured emily on vocals and missy speer, rich
burns, sidurgur birkis and tammy hurt (of minority rules fame). there are a
couple of known boots from hash (one from the point 5/96 and one at atl
pride 6/30/96 w/viva la diva)and they include "old" emily stuff like "high
horse" and an assortment of covers like "big yellow taxi," and "can't find
my way home." i also remember reading somewhere that hash played a private
party or two, one of which was at the flying biscuit's annual christmas
shindig.
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em's side band from the mid 90's, that is. :-)
thanks to joey i was able to hear one of their shows and am curious
about the band.
who was in it? how aften they played, etc?
anyone see them?
diane
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at 07:08 pm 7/13/02 -0500, andrea crain wrote:
>well, i didn't get to go, but i recall hearing that the sufragette
>sessions tour had spoken word performers as well as music. but as an
>opener for a regular concert, i haven't heard of that happening.
the spoken word performers were sorta like when patti smith does poems on
stage during her sets (the one time i saw her do a poem was very cool, like
jean from suff sessions, but patti like is a goddess anyway, i highly
recommend her to everyone!)
mike r.
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date: sat, 13 jul 2002 21:29:39 -0700
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hey kind friends-
i have a simple question for ya and that is where or what is the p.o. box
for ig? as in if i wanted to send mail.
kris
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date: sun, 14 jul 2002 15:50:50 -0500
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i like the chicago pics too! emily looks good in pink! (my favorite
color!)
barb
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in a message dated 7/12/02 12:06:26 am eastern daylight time, becker@dean.com
writes:

> me it sounds almost like some sophomoric catch phrase ("its my toyota
> ... of love" or "the magic 8-ball ... of love"). i wish they would
> have recorded this differently, i get so distracted i don't think i
> give the rest of the tune a chance.
chris i disagree with what you're saying but love the way you put it!
i always heard the pause as 1. a good time to take a breath, and 2. a nice
meter to the music, whiich is what you are not likeing.
if you're a jingle writer, put some more lyrics to that and send it in to
toyota. see ya on the super bowl!
joe
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in a message dated 7/12/02 12:06:26 am eastern daylight time, becker@dean.com writes:

me it sounds almost like some sophomoric catch phrase ("its my toyota
... of love" or "the magic 8-ball ... of love"). i wish they would
have recorded this differently, i get so distracted i don't think i
give the rest of the tune a chance.

chris i disagree with what you're saying but love the way you put it!

i always heard the pause as 1. a good time to take a breath, and 2. a nice meter to the music, whiich is what you are not likeing.

if you're a jingle writer, put some more lyrics to that and send it in to toyota. see ya on the super bowl!

joe
manhattan
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hi folks. my plan was to make a professional recording of the girls at the
greek berkeley 7/13/02. well it worked & i'm offering up audio cds "b & p"
to 5 people who can make a silmilar offer to the list. i will also take 5
who just want it. but you had to have been at the show. i am very pleased
with the recording, and i thought the show was great. so let's get it out
there!
andy schneider
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