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date: thu, 29 aug 2002 09:44:52 -0400
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hello list -
its been a while. i am going to try and come home for this show and take my mom to it, but i wanted to try and get better seats than the ones available on ticketmaster, so i throught i'd try here first. anyone have two extra tickets they are trying to get rid of ??? let me know.
~sasha
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date: thu, 29 aug 2002 09:50:56 -0400
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this was posted by someone else on a list that i'm a part of, but i thought
i would share with y'all for a laugh and to pass on the info if you wanted
to get the book. :)
too funny.

peace,

tracy


<<"the bible contains 6 admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments
to heterosexuals. this doesn't mean god doesn't love heterosexuals. it's
just that they need more supervision." --lynn larner

that's just the best thing i've heard in ages.

i got it from a book called kiss my tiara - how to rule the world as a
smart-mouth goddess by susan jane gilman.

no, this isn't a book review, but if you wanna read it, do. it's an
eye-opener. and funny.
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date: thu, 29 aug 2002 15:43:40 -0400
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subject: nytimes.com article: the even-more-compact disc
this article from nytimes.com
has been sent to you by ritesofpassage9@webtv.net.

hey everyone!
i saw this article in the nyt on the latest cd technology. i thought it would be good fodder for discussion.
peace
barb
ritesofpassage9@webtv.net

the even-more-compact disc
august 29, 2002
by michel marriott

here's the proposition: the record industry wants you to
buy your music on a new kind of disc. unlike a cd, the
format will greatly restrict your ability to make digital
copies. it will cost more than a prerecorded cd. and it
will require you to invest a few hundred dollars in a new
player.
if the appeal isn't immediately apparent, you have some
idea of the salesmanship task ahead.
the newly released portable music format, called dataplay
digital media, is the latest technology joining a
cornucopia of choices for consumers to play their favorite
tunes through headphones connected to palm-size devices.
the discs, contained in a clear plastic shell, are about
the size of the ring in the center of a cd, or about
one-fourth the size of a minidisc. they will be available
in blank, recordable form as well as prerecorded,
copy-protected albums.
because of that last feature, dataplay is being embraced by
major record labels. so far bmg, universal music and emi
group have signed on, say officials for dataplay, which
developed the technology.
the first dataplay music player-recorders went on sale
recently, and waves of prerecorded dataplay discs will soon
wash into record stores, starting with re-releases of
top-selling albums by the likes of britney spears, 'n sync,
pink, usher, outkast, sarah mclachlan and brooks & dunn,
bmg record executives say. some musicians, including carlos
santana, are scheduled to have new albums released
simultaneously on cd and dataplay.
ads for dataplay blank discs started showing up this month
with a tag line reading, "this thing is huge." but for the
millions of music enthusiasts who have mounted the mp3
revolution, downloading music or copying it from cd's onto
hard drives and then to portable players, what's the
motivation to switch?
the selling points borrow a page from the dvd playbook, the
success story of the video marketplace. the prerecorded
versions will also incorporate features like digital photo
galleries and music videos that can be viewed when the
player is connected to a pc, and even interviews, extended
liner notes and music-related games. future players may
well include color l.c.d. screens to play music videos.
in addition, the dataplay disc is far more compact than a
compact disc while offering comparable sound quality. and
the players can record music or data - yes, even mp3 files
- from a hard drive onto blank discs that are easy to carry
or swap.
"we're excited," said aahmek richards, who is in charge of
new media for arista records, which is part of bmg.
"technology should allow the business to change and grow in
so many ways it never had an opportunity to do."
indeed. but dataplay technology raises as many questions as
it does expectations among its makers and early supporters.
chief among them, consumer electronics analysts say, is
whether the arrival of dataplay comes too late and offers
too little to attract music consumers, especially those of
college age.
todd oseth, vice president for marketing and business
development at dataplay, said that while the format
promised greater content security than cd's, it also
offered more flexibility and convenience to reflect
listeners' emerging habits, accommodating prerecorded,
downloaded or copied music. ultimately, he suggested,
record company support and the marketplace will decide its
success. "money is what ends up driving everything," he
said.
dataplay, a privately held company in boulder, colo., was
founded in 1998 by steve volk, its chairman, president and
chief executive. initially, his interest in developing
smaller optical discs and micro drivers was to use them as
storage media in digital cameras. but in time, a dataplay
spokeswoman said, mr. volk realized that the tiny,
digitally secure discs and drivers were a natural fit for
the music industry, which was searching for new ways to
protect and distribute recorded music.
oddly, the record industry has become a victim of its own
dizzying success with the cd, which was introduced in
europe and japan in 1982 and in america the following year.
in less than a decade, cd's rendered vinyl records
practically obsolete, and now threaten the same fate for
cassette tapes. recent estimates indicate that there are
more than 1.5 billion cd players. almost every computer
made today can play cd's, and stand-alone cd players have
become so inexpensive that some are displayed near
supermarket checkouts as shrink-wrapped impulse buys.
but when klass compaan, a physicist for philips research,
conceived the cd in 1969, few people, if anyone, could have
imagined the personal computing revolution that would three
decades later let consumers raid the content of cd's to
make perfect digital copies, compress them and then store
them on their own cd's, hard drives, file-sharing internet
sites and a variety of removable media.
"even though cd's have been good to it, the music industry
would like cd's to go away," said josh bernoff, a principal
analyst for forrester research, a technology consulting
firm in cambridge, mass. "they're too easy to rip."
he and other analysts note that attempts to retrofit cd's
to discourage copying and pirating have proved problematic.
for example, arista has copy-protected some of its music
cd's only to discover that they will not play in many car-
and computer-based cd players.
so enters dataplay, its content encrypted like pentagon
secrets, casting the long shadows of some of the world's
biggest record companies.
"we are very committed to it," kevin clement, senior
director of new media operations for bmg, said of dataplay.
"awareness and education are two of the biggest challenges
we have going forward."
"our goal is to continue to release top titles," mr.
clement said, noting that he has been impressed with
dataplay's "versatility and incredibly small size." bmg
will not only be able to add photos and music videos to the
discs, he said, but also encrypt extra songs, even entire
previously released albums, to which consumers could get
access after they paid online for a special content key.
"i don't think the cd is going away anytime soon," he said.
"there's too much hardware in the marketplace, but clearly
we love to see people enjoy the extra content we can put on
a dataplay disc."
mr. richards, who is also director of online marketing for
arista, said dataplay is part of a larger strategy to
recapture consumers who are comfortable getting their music
and music information online.
under his direction, arista is starting a number of
subscription-based fan web sites at $25 a year. the first
features boyz ii men and offers exclusive material, which
could include live concert footage, interviews and
pictures, all ideally suited for downloading and playback
on dataplay.
"the real fans will appreciate a site that is dedicated
just to them, and they don't mind paying for it," mr.
richards said, adding that dataplay can open new vistas for
the recording industry. "all of this kind of plays in
together. it's going to work. i believe in it."
but overall costs of dataplay players and media may present
an early stumbling block to widespread acceptance, some
consumer electronics retailers warn. prerecorded dataplay
discs will basically be priced more like a dvd than a cd,
from $18 to $22, mr. richards said. (some new releases,
however, will be priced comparably to cd's: the new carlos
santana album, "shaman," will list for $18 on cd and $19 on
dataplay, he said.)
for consumers who want to make their own, the price of the
raw material for cd burning - cd-r discs - has dropped to
only pennies a disc when the discs are bought in bulk.
dataplay discs, which have 500 megabytes of storage
capacity, or 150 megabytes less than 74-minute cd-r discs,
cost $5 apiece if bought in packages of 10. and the first
dataplay music player and burner, the idp-100 by iriver
america, is relatively expensive at $350; mp3 players with
20 gigabytes of memory, or 40 times the capacity of a
dataplay disc, are available for as little as $300.
steve koenig, senior analyst for npdtechworld, a market
tracking group in port washington, n.y., said dataplay
could face the same sort of limited adoption that sony's
minidisc faced for years in north america. "i think this
will probably remain a niche product for the time being
until it gets some kind of large catalog of music selection
in place," he said.
and mr. bernoff of forrester research said the era of discs
of any kind, whether they are five-inch or one-inch, may be
coming to a close.
"maybe the time for physical media is past," he said. "the
problem is not with the cd, but with anything that is
physical."
the long-term future of music distribution, mr. bernoff
said, is in packets of notes, rhythms and lyrics winding
through the air to be captured and played on wireless
devices. "the format of the future," he said, "is no media
at all."
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date: thu, 29 aug 2002 15:44:54 -0500
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well, these players will be too expensive, and ripping will still be
possible quite easily, and they won't have a big library of titles on this
format for awhile. plus they're still going to be charging more for the
package than is warranted, and not much of it will go to the artists. (i'm
sure the blank discs won't cost $5 each for the big pressing companies,
and if, with all those extras and expensive media, it's only a dollar more
than the cd version, whose media cost pennies, you can see they're already
price gouging.)
but, once the technology reaches a critical mass, and we start to want the
extras on the datadisc, and the hardware prices come down a little, we're
all going to crave them and not want to miss anything. we'll probably
start buying our favorites over again in the new format, too, if they
reissue them (again!) with extras. like how i have 3 copies of strange
fire - tape, cd, and remastered cd with bonus tracks. grrr.
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date: thu, 29 aug 2002 17:43:41 -0500
reply-to: todd green <tgreen@uab.edu>
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subject: photos of the autzen stadium shows opening for the dead........
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i was poking around on photographer dino perrucci's website and stumbled
onto these photos, thought it might interest some of you since questions
regarding these shows surface on this list occasionally.
<http://www.dinoperrucci.com/indigog/galleryframe.htm>
enjoy looking at emily the dancing bear.
- todd
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date: thu, 29 aug 2002 20:00:05 -0400
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subject: fwd: asheville, nc 8/31/2002
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hey folks,
this was sent to the news list but it's more appropriate for here instead. please direct any replies to the original sender at kikirr@carolina.rr.com, not to me, thanks...
-sherlyn
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date: thu, 29 aug 2002 19:26:27 -0400
just wonderin if anyone has an extra tkt to the concert art the biltmore
house on sat night.
thanks,
kk
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date: fri, 30 aug 2002 14:01:45 edt
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subject: igc: new merch & activism at the official site
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hey y'all,
new goodies on indigogirls.com:
there's a link to an artists' merchandising site in britain, where you can
buy shirts from ig's european tour(s) (it's priced in pounds.) also new links
on the resources page, which you can get to by clicking activism on the main
menu and then scrolling down to the bottom. everybody be sure to check out
the fine, fine citizen advocacy group that's just been added (near the top,
just under choiceusa).
:) mandy
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hey y'all,

new goodies on indigogirls.com:

there's a link to an artists' merchandising site in britain, where you can buy shirts from ig's european tour(s) (it's priced in pounds.) also new links on the resources page, which you can get to by clicking activism on the main menu and then scrolling down to the bottom. everybody be sure to check out the fine, fine citizen advocacy group that's just been added (near the top, just under choiceusa).

:) mandy
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date: sat, 31 aug 2002 06:31:23 +0000
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kind friends,
it is with sadness that i pass along this message from ladyslipper and ubaka
hill.
~robbin
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we are sad and heartbroken to report that our loving friend,
musician-composer kay gardner, died of a heart attack on wednesday, august
28, 2002.
please join us in lighting candles for kay, in singing for kay, and in
wishing her spirit a safe journey.
various memorial services are being held in different locations on sunday,
september 1, including one in her hometown of bangor, maine, at the
unitarian universalist church, at 2 p.m, and another in evansville wi, at
lake leota park, at 10 a.m.
she is survived by her loving partner colleen fitzgerald, and by her
daughters jenny and julie. cards of condolence can be sent to colleen
fitzgerald, po box 602, bangor me 04401.
donation in kay's memory can be sent to temple of the feminine divine, po
box 602, bangor me 04401.

we invite you to read, and post your own, remembrances of kay, as well as
more information about memorial events in various areas, on the ladyslipper
bulletin board at
<http://ubb.ladyslipper.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=000022>
artist bio information is available on the ladyslipper website as well, at:
<http://ladyslipper.org/vendors/ladyslipper/kay_gardner.xtml/agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa>
or, go to www.ladyslipper.org <http://www.ladyslipper.org/>, artist information, kay gardner.
kay's own website can be seen at www.kaygardner.com <http://www.kaygardner.com/>
we also wish to share with you the beautiful farewell letter written to kay
by drummer-poet ubaka hill:
good night kay gardner from ubaka
dear beloved kay,
less than an hour ago i received a call from our dear friend ruth
barrett. my heart weeps learning of your soul passing into the realm of
divine glorious spirit. i am saddened in a bitter sweet way. i recall all
the moments we shared till recently at michfest, visiting with you, ruth,
coco and falcon, denslow, lynn and others. you, me and ruth together at the
opening ceremony, and you with your beloved coco - singing in sacred circle
with your workshop participants, barb, amy and the drumsong orchestra.
thank you kay for your brilliance, your healing music, your teachings,
your wisdom, your friendship and sisterhood. thank you for your humility,
humor and playfulness. thank you for all the gifts you have given to all
beings and especially those gifts of the goddess for womyn. and for
reminding and teaching us that music heals.
i have lit a candle on my altar, i gathered to my altar your books,
cassettes, and photos in your honor, recognition of your light. i'm
listening to "a rainbow path" as i weep with mimi, we celebrate your life
and i, my blessing to have walked with you in this life time.
thank you kay for mentoring and inspiring my sacred artistry in producing my
recordings shapeshifters and dance the spiral dance. and thank you kay
gardner for modeling the many possibilities and potentialities of being and
becoming a great womyn in america and on this blessed earth!
the very last time i saw, felt and shared your vibration and energy was
at the closing candlelight concert at michfest 2002, you with your sweet
flute song in procession, the night the ball of light in the sky arched over
all who gathered to in gratitude of those how came before us, those who are
with us and to say farewell and good night...
good night my dear kay gardner, many blessings on your soul journey, i
love you and i'll see you on the sacred path!
in divine spirit and eternal love, ase and blessed be,
ubaka
"when i dare to be powerful-
to use my strength in the service of my vision,
then it becomes less and less important
whether i am afraid" - - - audre lorde

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date: sat, 31 aug 2002 15:08:51 +0000
reply-to: tom xxxxx <getula@hotmail.com>
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i hate to sound ignorant, but who is kay gardner? the name is familiar but i
can't place it. thanks.
tom
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makes it harder to be livin'
he said, 'it's a long road to be forgiven."
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date: sat, 31 aug 2002 11:20:47 -0400
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quoting tom xxxxx <getula@hotmail.com>:
> i hate to sound ignorant, but who is kay gardner? the name is familiar but
> i can't place it. thanks.
<http://www.ladyslipper.org/vendors/ladyslipper/kay_gardner.xtml/agaaaaaaaaaaaaaa>
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
this should help some. if you do a search on your favorite search engine,
you'll probably find out more.
anna
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date: sat, 31 aug 2002 13:36:55 -0400
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hi friends, a small field report from the road. the cary, nc show tonight was pleasant enough....despite the snoozerama audience. i don't want to revisit the whole debate about concert etiquette and such but truly, of you prefer the quiet, sedate and barely there audience, tonight would have been your show of shows. it was truly astounding. i was in row a--- that would be the front row-- and i felt totally dorky standing up and dancing *during closer to fine* and a few of the others from the firggin' greatest hits collection. this audience was astonishingly quiet and spent most of the evening keeping their seats warm, even the first ten rows. i don't know why, but apparently it's the thing to do down in these parts...show very little enthusiasm of any kind for people you paid 52 buckaroos to see!
highlights included: jonas and ezekiel, wood song, gone again, johnny rottentail (altho i am practically convinced i am the only person in the venue--besides maybe chris imershein ;-)-- who recognized that one!), and the stuff from the latest record sounded great too (become you, deconstruction, she's saving me, collecting you, etc.). the girls looked a bit weary but who can blame them? they need a nice long two week break before they see me again in poughkeepsie in two weeks ;)
anyway, that's my report from the road. the whole set including encore was less than 90 mintues, so it was brief, sweet, and calm. again, some of you would have loved it....i liked it, but missed my raucous compatriots ;)
xxo
susan

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date: sat, 31 aug 2002 16:14:43 -0700
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*wonderin if you were the woman standing in front of me* yeah that crowd was rather dead i was expecting everyone to stand up when they started playing shame on you but nooooooo lol maybe it was the rain earlier......


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