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date: sun, 29 sep 2002 00:16:10 -0400
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i gotta agree here as well. i've seen almost 20 shows (5 this year so far)
and the standard emily tunes are just getting way old. amy mixes it up much
better and she only has one main standard, and its shame on you (i'm talking
about the last 3 tours), where emily has, at least 3 (excluding ctf and
galileo) least.., pot and map. granted, amy is playing chickenman and kid
fears just about every show this tour but its just this tour. so if you
think about it, most shows they do about 9-10 songs each and 5 emily tunes
are set in stone. she does about 3-4 new tunes, that leaves 1-2 alternates.
somethings wrong. i can't believe she doesn't get sick of them.
i mean, those are popular songs i agree, but rotate them. i wouldn't care if
they are played and they should be, but not every show. i'm seeing mulitple
shows each tour which means i've got a good chance to see something
different. the other thing is, amy mixes up the type of songs she plays
based upon if its full band or not. she will tend to keep a certain set in
there based upon that but they are different sets for each. em just keeps
the same 5 standards regardless.
finally, emily is playing its alright again this acoustic tour but of
course, i missed those. lets hope its in there monday night. there are so
many great emily tunes on shaming of the sun that do not see the light of
day on a regular basis...........
dpm.

>i have to agree with most of this post. i've now seen the girls 10 times
>and
>the past, oh, four shows or so have been annoyingly similar. they are
>always
>awesome live, but i just wish they'd mix up the set lists more.
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date: sun, 29 sep 2002 00:53:28 -0600
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on sat, 28 sep 2002, jason hare wrote:
> a b-sides tour could never happen in a million years. when you
> factor in the costs associated with the tour, it wouldn't make
> financial sense. they'd be playing to mostly empty houses because
> only the hardcore fans would show up.
i sort of disagree. when i go to shows i see the same people all the
time. and it seems like ig have been playing smaller venues of late, so
it's mainly the hardcores who make up the audience. i would be willing to
bet that the "radio hit" fans are the minority not the majority. but it
could also be that a lot of people travel to colorado shows which is why
our crowds are so hard core here.
g.
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date: sun, 29 sep 2002 03:19:47 edt
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subject: b sides tour
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i have seen ig over 30 times over the past 6 or 7 years or so. (lol. i
wasn't allowed to go to shows when i was in middle and high school).
although i agree that there are a lot of songs that are played over again, i
do think that ig is great with adding variety to their setlists. for
example, many bands use the exact same set list (same order and everything!)
show after show on a tour. however, every single ig show is different.
sure, we hear c2f, gotm, galileo, po2, etc at almost every show, but we also
get a lot of cool surprises. i was lucky enough to hear my absolute favorite
song (world falls) last year at the saratoga mtn. winery after my boyfriend
requested it the night before. that was quite a treat. and really
unexpected. those kind of surprises happen at almost every show. i have
heard some great songs -- you and me of the 10k wars, prince of darkness,
welcome me, love will come to you, jonas and ezekial, secure yourself, blood
quantum, chiapas bound, etc at least once. i have heard other classics that
are not played everynight more than a few times -- ghost, reunion, watershed,
hammer and a nail, romeo and juliet, wood song, virginia woolf, etc. there
are surprises at every show, and that is part of the fun. on the same note,
i love hearing the ones that are played at almost every show as well.
nothing beats singing "i offer thanks to those before me..." in unity with
over 1,000 ig fans. it is really part of the ig concert experience. and as
others have pointed out, there are both new fans, and "radio" fans at these
shows too. playing a few songs that they know will enhance their enjoyment
and perhaps then turn them into bigger fans so that they do appreciate the
"surprise" songs.
anyway, it is late. i have the stomach flu (blah!). and i am rambling.
sorry about the incoherence, poor grammar, spelling, etc. i am not thinking
too well tonight!
:-) karen
ps- who is hitting some of the florida shows? i am! since they're not
hitting the west coast, and from what i am hearing this tour is amazing, i am
flying across the country to northern florida. see some of you at
gainesville and jax!
*****
"they're sending soldiers to distant places, xs and os on someone's drawing
board
like green and plastic, but with human faces, and they want to tell you it's
a merciful
sword; but with all the blood newly dried in the deserts, can we not
fertilize the land with something else? there is no nation, by god exempted,
lay down your weapons
and love your neighbor as yourself..."
~~ emily saliers, indigo girls
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i have seen ig over 30 times over the past 6 or 7 years or so. (lol. i wasn't allowed to go to shows when i was in middle and high school). although i agree that there are a lot of songs that are played over again, i do think that ig is great with adding variety to their setlists. for example, many bands use the exact same set list (same order and everything!) show after show on a tour. however, every single ig show is different. sure, we hear c2f, gotm, galileo, po2, etc at almost every show, but we also get a lot of cool surprises. i was lucky enough to hear my absolute favorite song (world falls) last year at the saratoga mtn. winery after my boyfriend requested it the night before. that was quite a treat. and really unexpected. those kind of surprises happen at almost every show. i have heard some great songs -- you and me of the 10k wars, prince of darkness, welcome me, love will come to you, jonas and ezekial, secure yourself, blood quantum, chiapas bound, etc at least once. i have heard other classics that are not played everynight more than a few times -- ghost, reunion, watershed, hammer and a nail, romeo and juliet, wood song, virginia woolf, etc. there are surprises at every show, and that is part of the fun. on the same note, i love hearing the ones that are played at almost every show as well. nothing beats singing "i offer thanks to those before me..." in unity with over 1,000 ig fans. it is really part of the ig concert experience. and as others have pointed out, there are both new fans, and "radio" fans at these shows too. playing a few songs that they know will enhance their enjoyment and perhaps then turn them into bigger fans so that they do appreciate the "surprise" songs.

anyway, it is late. i have the stomach flu (blah!). and i am rambling. sorry about the incoherence, poor grammar, spelling, etc. i am not thinking too well tonight!

:-) karen

ps- who is hitting some of the florida shows? i am! since they're not hitting the west coast, and from what i am hearing this tour is amazing, i am flying across the country to northern florida. see some of you at gainesville and jax!

*****
"they're sending soldiers to distant places, xs and os on someone's drawing board
like green and plastic, but with human faces, and they want to tell you it's a merciful
sword; but with all the blood newly dried in the deserts, can we not fertilize the land with something else? there is no nation, by god exempted, lay down your weapons
and love your neighbor as yourself..."
~~ emily saliers, indigo girls
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date: sun, 29 sep 2002 07:52:38 -0400
reply-to: michael reynolds <mike@uppity-disability.net>
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i dont know exactly how many shows i've seen - what counts as a show -
versus an in-store- etc, but i didnt even hear ctf the first time i saw
them, and i have been blessed to see them do just about every song live -
except blood and fire - and a few rare covers.
a&e mix up there setlists more than most folks do - not as much as billy
bragg or phish - or the other ones - but more than ani, rem, most u2 shows
(ok, u2 is totally different - they look at the city as one show - so you
need to see them multiple times - my humble opinion.)
after seeing more of the ig - i am picky - if they play a bad venue - i am
not going - a night i gotta work - nope - aint happening - am i losing out
- probably - but my money is a bit tight and there usually isnt six months
between some sort of show with them - maybe that is a bit stretching it -
but they seem to treat the northeast very well...
mike r.
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date: sun, 29 sep 2002 08:38:30 -0400
reply-to: ron mcbay <usul@mindspring.com>
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>it was confirmed from amy last night in sewell that the song will be called
>dairy queen. she said she will proabably get trademark enfringement on it
>but she will have to deal with that.
i'm sure she'll have to. there used to be a local band called dairy queen
experience that was forced to change its name to dqe; so that company does go
out of its way to protect its trademark.
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i think the main reason that the setlists are so similar from one show to the
next is a more practical one than what's been mentioned so far: it's hard to
have that many songs pre-rehearsed at any given time. granted, that's less of a
problem when it's just the two of them, but i'd bet they probably couldn't play,
say, "crazy game" off the top of their heads without any mistakes.
during the legendary $10 tour, didn't they let the first person in line pick
the setlist for the next concert? i think they had a list of amy songs and a
list of emily songs and asked that the mix be as close to 50-50 as possible;
then i think you had to choose at least 2 or 3 from the "hits" group and maybe 1
or 2 covers and after that you could pick what you wanted from b-sides. the
only problem was that you were picking for the next day's concert (so they could
rehearse anything they hadn't played in a while) instead of the concert you were
actually in line for. that's probably as close as you could get. maybe they
could spin a wheel on stage and pick the songs at random (but they'd still have
to have pre-rehearsed everything on the wheel beforehand).
i've got it! -- they post that same kind of "make your own setlist"
questionnaire/form on their website. they could either pick an individual's
complete setlist. ["tonight's setlist comes from (your name here)!"] or they
could let you vote in time for the show you were attending. whatever had been
picked by the time they do soundcheck becomes the official setlist for that
night's show so they could rehearse any rusty numbers. they could reset the
voting for each new show.
that could work. what do you think?
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date: sun, 29 sep 2002 13:41:25 -0700
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> on saturday, september 28, 2002, at 09:16 pm, indigo lover wrote:
>> amy mixes it up much
>> better and she only has one main standard, and its shame on you (i'm
>> talking
>> about the last 3 tours), where emily has, at least 3
>
> on a completely pragmatic note, have you ever tried to play an emily
> song on guitar? they are a lot harder than amy songs. amy tends to
> use regular tunings and basic chord progressions, where emily
> experiments more with chord voicings. and don't forget she has to
> remember all of those solos. just a thought...
>
> jer
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date: sun, 29 sep 2002 19:38:35 +0100
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mike reynolds wrote:-
>>>>>a&e mix up there setlists more than most folks do -
very true, most bands have much less to choose from anyway. and i live in the uk - i'm only too pleased to hear them play anything at all!  but five shows this year - hadn't seen them live till january - awesome, even more so than i'd imagined. come back soon, we love you!

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date: sun, 29 sep 2002 12:20:21 -0700
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i'm sure she'll have to. there used to be a >local band called dairy queen
>experience that was forced to change its name to >dqe; so that company does
go
>out of its way to protect its trademark.
not necessarily. there's a difference between using a trademark in a song and
using it for a band name. using it as the title of the song may be more
problematic than just referencing it in the lyrics, but it's one song, and it
probably will get little radio play or mention in the press. if the local band
gets big and starts appearing everywhere, then dq has an identity problem when
it's name shows up in the press tied to this band that they may or may not
want any affiliation with. is it worth it to start a copyright infringement
lawsuit over one song? i wouldn't think so, but you never know what the dq
corporate types may think.
also, there's a big difference between a seasoned band signed to a major label
with a sizable fan base, and a local band. companies don't pick fights like
this unless they're sure they can win without too much trouble.
april
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date: mon, 30 sep 2002 00:09:02 -0400
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i just switched my sub from my hotmail account (robbin_150) to this one and
wanted to make sure the switch-over went smoothly. :)
did anyone go to the roanoke concert? if so, please share!
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date: mon, 30 sep 2002 00:31:45 -0400
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yeah, i thought it was pretty funny. and it describes me to a tee, right
down to my birkenstocks. :)

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> have a nice evening!!!
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--- on sat 09/28, tom xxxxx wrote:
. also, i would be very happy if ig
> never played shame on you at a show i attended again.


see i on the other hand love ths song and am glad they play it every show and am glad i can still annoy all the people behind me by getting up and dancing every time i hear it!!!! :)
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date: mon, 30 sep 2002 08:27:01 -0500
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<<i on other hand am glad they play shame on you at every show.>>
well, i don't take any road trips to see the girls, and i only see them
when they come to minneapolis.....and i have to say, "me too!"
i love shame on you, it gives me a chance to make fun of the security at
ig shows, and all
cops in general.
it's a good outlet for the anger i have every time
one of my friends gets busted during our rallies.(sometimes they won't
be doing anything, ) as an activist, i have to say the police around
here just seem to like getting certain people around here, because of
who they are.
so shame on you is always wonderful for me!
peace
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date: mon, 30 sep 2002 09:49:43 -0400
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it was an awesome show, and i would have to say, the best one i have seen
this tour, although i only got to five of the shows. the venue was great
and a&e were commenting about that, someone asked how they found it and
they said they got lost and then passed a pumpkin stand and there it was!
amy looked great with a blue sparkely(sp) shirt over a black tank top and
emily had on jeans with a black shirt and pink stripped shirt over that.
k's choice was really great, with just sara and gert - i think i like them
better that way. a&e came out and did a beautiful song with them. i
couldn't believe the set list! i heard everything i was hoping to hear. i
don't know about anyone else, but it always seems that they play the songs
i want to hear someplace else! i don't know if they were planning to play
the wood song, but i really had to hear it, being so jealous that they
played it at other venues, so it was me who cried out, "would you please
play the wood song?!" a couple songs later amy said, "here's that request"
and they played it beautifully! gush gush gush! the only draw back was
that i felt like i was trapped on the set of the movie "footloose", no one
would stand up and dance, being someone who likes to be up for the whole
show it was very frustrating to be forced to sit through most of the show,
not by the venue, but the audience!
i also just wanted to make a quick comment on the subject of over played
songs at shows. i, too, get surprised that the girls don't get sick of
playing the same few songs at every show. i know they have been quoted
saying that they might get sick of it, but they think of the fans that
might be at their first show and that might be their first time hearing
it, and might make their night, which is true. but also, when i used to
follow the grateful dead around, i used to think that if i heard deal one
more time i would scream, now that jerry is gone i would love nothing more
than to hear him do that song one more time. so knowing how that feels, i
just go and enjoy, and try not to think about the day that they won't be
touring anymore. that is just too sad to think about. i'll shut up now.
thanks to all that are here and there
kellie
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date: mon, 30 sep 2002 10:07:56 -0400
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i would also love a boot of this show if anyone made one. i have nothing
to offer except my undying gratitude and maybe some homemade cookies ;).
please email me off the list if you have it or access to it - you would
have a friend for life!!!!!
thank you
kellie
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i would be very happy if ig
> never played shame on you at a show i attended again.
<<<see i on the other hand love ths song and am glad they play it every
show and
> am glad i can still annoy all the people behind me by getting up and dancing
> every time i hear it!!!! :)
i agree w/dee. i love this song!! i vote they keep playing soy!
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i would be very happy if ig
> never played shame on you at a show i attended again.

<<<see i on the other hand love ths song and am glad they play it every show and
am glad i can still annoy all the people behind me by getting up and dancing every time i hear it!!!! :)


i agree w/dee. i love this song!! i vote they keep playing soy!
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i think that this song kind of grows on a person. i really disliked it when i first heard it when it was released, but after lo these many years and dozens of concerts, i really, really like it! i hope they do it at calvin tomorrow night!
can't wait for the girls to arrive in grand rapids! this is a conservative city ~ i truly hope the locals who attend tomorrow night will get into the groove instead of clapping as if they were at a john tesh concert at lincoln center! (back in 1984, elvis costello said he'd never return to this town because the audience was so bland. and you know what??? he never did!) i know i'll be grooving, as will my girlfriends!
and shame on anyone who doesn't!
i am soooooo looking forward to seeing the girls again!
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hi all!
if anyone wants a free ticket to tonight's concert, i'll be there, a
thirty-ish asian in the suffragette sessions t-shirt and dark blue shorts
and strappy sandals. just say, "hi, are you diane?" and i will surrender my
extra ticket with smiles, hoping you enjoy the concert (sixth row center
slightly to emily's side)!!
diane
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wow! what a way to pick up women! i sure wish i'd thought of that one before.
if the indigo girls ever do a show in kentucky, youbetcha i'll be offering a
free ticket! ;)
anna
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wow! that was an amazing show. hey y'all! i flew back from southern
california today to catch the indigo girls' concert at the forum. michelle
malone opened, and she was awesome. unfortunately, i only caught the last
three songs, but the tailend of her setlist was this:
strength for two
brand new dream
after a half-hour intermission, amy and emily took the stage, along with
their "band", carol isaacs.
here's the setlist:
hammer and a nail
become you
get out the map
moment of forgiveness
collecting you
shame on you
power of two
i don't wanna know
deconstruction
gone again
closer to fine
starkville
wood song
yield
love's recovery
romeo & juliet
mystery
chickenman/bitterroot
galileo
encore:
she's saving me
ozilline
finlandia
some quick notes about the concert:
apparently, they spent their day off wandering around harrisburg
yesterday--going along the susquehanna river, enjoying the town--also amy
ray did her laundry. everyone was friendly to them, they felt like they
were at home in the south.
the indigo girls haven't played at the forum before, and they wondered if
the stars in the sky (ceiling) were going to light up for their concert.
and, behold, during power of two, the star lights came on. amy was just
fascinated by them and kept looking up while emily was singing the last
verse.
emily mentioned she watched buffy the vampire slayer last night, and there
was a scene where they were making up names for constellations. emily said,
"that was lame." but she enjoys watching that show.
they didn't know that harrisburg was the pennsylvania state capital, and
later on in the show, someone asked them the name of michigan's capital, and
emily said, "lansing." then she asked us, "how about south dakota?" and a
number of us said, "pierre." and she said, "we have the intelligent crowd
tonight." they also talked about the ny times crossword puzzle, and how
sunday's was always really hard.
they adjusted the setlist to accomodate requests: love's recovery, romeo &
juliet, mystery. i don't know what the original setlist said.
i was really glad they played become you, mystery, she's saving me, and r &
j.
i will post up pictures from the concert later this week.
happy on my ig fix,
diane


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