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hi,
i'm looking for the setlist for the killer b sides.
thanks in advance,
duh pike
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date: sat, 22 mar 2003 13:22:45 -0500
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most excellent! i highly recommend going, especially since my pals wishing
chair are performing! also, the ticket prices for all three days are really
cheap for a music festival - especially the $10/day student ticket.
other performers at the festival that i think rock:
terri allard
commonbond
disappear fear
vance gilbert
so, if you're near enough to go, go! :)
anna
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crosses my path, on behalf of the souls they never knew they saved." --barbara
kingsolver
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date: sat, 22 mar 2003 17:33:08 -0500
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i also recommend going to it because listening post productions will be
helping to sponsor it - who is listening post? shameless promotion - i
am, visit my web site at www.listeningpost.us <http://www.listeningpost.us/> for some great concerts in
the delaware valley. we have suzanne westenhoefer on april 12!! david
wilcox on april 25 and girls gone funny, (jamie anderson, deirdre flint
& carla ulbrich) on may 9. this year we are planning on sonia and/or
disappear fear, wishing chair, zoe lewis, lisa mccormick, suede, the
kennedy's, commonbond, full frontal folk, the mammals and many more. so
go to the smaf - discover new artists! have fun !
mary
ps sorry abou the self-promotion - you get that way when you are
starting a business
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most excellent! i highly recommend going, especially since my pals
wishing chair are performing! also, the ticket prices for all three
days are really cheap for a music festival - especially the $10/day
student ticket.
other performers at the festival that i think rock:
terri allard
commonbond
disappear fear
vance gilbert
so, if you're near enough to go, go! :)
anna
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date: sun, 23 mar 2003 02:35:15 -0500
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gawddamn but have i been busy! sorry y'all...i think i've only
missed a week so i will do last week and this week, but if i missed
more (like your birthday didn't get announced!!) please please let me
know and i will send it out. thanks!!!!!!
so without further ado...the birthday listees!!!!!!!!
march 17 ('78)
skwan@midway.uchicago.edu (susanna kwan)
"gotta get outta bed, get a hammer and a nail, learn how to use my
hands, not just my head, cuz i'll think myself into jail"
march 17 ('76)
jberryhaynes@yahoo.com (john haynes)
the big "25"!
march 17
ritesofpassage9@webtv.net (barbara bordner)
march 18 ('73)
junebug@aeneas.net (leigh ann)
march 21 ('73)
carrieb@gladstone.uoregon.edu (carrie christine brogoitti)
march 21
indigoddess19@aol.com (nanci)
march 24 ('64)
pjhoopie@aol.com (pj)
"i come to you with strange fire, i make an offering of love, the
incense of my soul is burned by the fire in my blood"
march 25
cml@mindspring.com (christy lynch)
march 26
ldavidson@asabenifits.com (leigh ann davidson)
"...forget regret, or life is yours to miss...
no other road no other way, no day but today..."
-rent
march 26 ('74)
diane gagnon <dispdmg@fastdial.net>
march 29
terri (kidfrrs123@aol.com)
march 31
lindystar2@aol.com (casey foulks)
hope they were, hope they are, hope they will be happy! enjoy!
love and devotion,
audra
bge
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beyond the reach of other desires. no-one can legislate love;
it cannot be given orders or cajoled into service. love belongs
to itself, deaf to pleading and unmoved by violence. love is
not something you can negotiate. love is the one thing stronger
than desire and the only proper reason to resist temptation."
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date: sun, 23 mar 2003 10:05:06 est
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by now if you haven't heard about sugarland, you must be living under a rock!
i just left the purchase center for the performing arts in ny where jennifer
and kristen (formerly with the ig) of sugarland opened for vonda shephard.
(it was nice to see them perform on my turf for a change, although i miss the
atlanta weather!)
while jennifer and kristen didn't perform with the full band, they more than
compensated for it with their clean crisp sound that allowed for jennifer's
outstanding vocals to shine. accompanied by kristen on guitar, jennifer
belted out all the songs that we have grown to love (baby girl, fly away, the
ride, sugarland, just might, mississippi, tennessee) to name a few! they
performed a nice long set for an opening act, and you could tell that vonda
enjoyed having them open for her as she had a lot of nice things to say about
the two of them on stage.
jennifer joined vonda on many songs, including one-forgive me i don't
remember the name- where jennifer sang lead at one point and was accompanied
by vonda...people in the audience were floored by jennifer's voice!
i have to tell you that jennifer stole the audience's hearts. the folks
sitting behind me, who had originally came for vonda and never heard of
sugarland, said "god, vonda has a tough act to follow!"
what i enjoyed the most was talking to people at the performance, and hearing
what they had to say about these two talented ladies that many on this board
have known about for a long time. i enjoyed the smoosing and sharing about
all the talent in sugarland including kristian, simone, brett, clay, and
mark.
the audience, did in fact eat jennifer and kristen up! and yes, i witnessed
cds flying off the table as people kept asking me "who is sugarland?" and
"where are they from?"--and i was very eager to tell.
for those of you who are in the tour area, believe me when i tell you, you
will not be disappointed if you see jennifer and kristen without the band. it
is a different sound...but in this case, with jennifer and kristen, different
works!
get out and see them!
3/23/03 uncasville, ct www.mohegansun.com <http://www.mohegansun.com/>
3/25/03 nyc, ny (2 shows in 1 night) bbkingblues.com/
3/26/03 asbury, nj
www.stoneponyonline.com/ <http://www.stoneponyonline.com/>
3/28/03 annapolis, md www.ramsheadtavern.com/ <http://www.ramsheadtavern.com/>
3/29/03 plymouth, ma
www.plymouthmemorialhall.com/ <http://www.plymouthmemorialhall.com/>
3/30/03 westbury, ny www.musicfair.com/ <http://www.musicfair.com/>
4/1/03 atlanta, ga www.variety-playhouse.com/ <http://www.variety-playhouse.com/> (full band)
4/5/03 asheville, nc www.greyeaglemusic.com <http://www.greyeaglemusic.com/> (headlining)
a very happy bagel in ny = )
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date: mon, 24 mar 2003 09:00:21 -0600
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hi all,
i finally have the completed boot, so let the burning begin. hopefully i
should be getting the majority of trades and b&ps out this week.
traci
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date: tue, 25 mar 2003 08:40:37 -0700
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i definitely think amy and emily would dig this...
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has anyway seen the following idea circulating yet? since the pro-war
right has been attacking the dixie chicks and calling or various
boycotts, the anti-war movement has, as far as i have seen, done jack
except to talk about freedom of speech.
what would happen if everyone against the war went out and bought their
new album--and propelled them to number one on the c&w charts. that
would make a statement--that we support artists who stand against the
war.
yes, i went out to buy their album in solidarity. (i quickly gave it
to my local library since i am not actually much of a fan). and if you
know of a store that is refusing to sell their albums--i have heard
only unconfirmed rumors about this-- i have a suggestion. if ten or
twenty people went into such a store and picked up say twenty cds and
then went up to the cashier asking for the dixie chicks album. when
told they are not selling it, drop the twenty cds on the counter and
leave. let them start adding up the lost business.
we have to start finding ways to materially support our comrades and to
counter the strategies of the right.
if anyone knows of such an organized campaign, i would like to hear
about it. if not, and you think this is a good idea, please circulate
it to whatever other lists you belong to, and then go out and buy the
cd.
lg
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date: tue, 25 mar 2003 14:32:52 -0500
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hi y'all!
just doing my daemon records rep thing.
latin folk duo, cordero, will be at the grog shop in coventry on april 8th
at 8:00 pm. go see them...they rock. you will have the joy in supporting a
great indie label and i get the joy of free cds and bumber stickers. plus,
i'll be there, so you get the joy of hanging out with me! isn't community
wonderful?
if you can't go see them, then buy their cd at
<http://www.daemonrecords.com/beta/cordero/index.htm>.
supporting our local music scene works....i got a great group together to
see danielle howle at the barking spider last month and she got lots of
cashola and gained some new loyal followers. so see, supporting indie
through word of mouth works!
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date: tue, 25 mar 2003 19:58:08 -0500
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have seen the error of my ways,
1) plug was meant for ohio listees...clicked the whole list from my address
book inadvertantly
2) not cordero folk duo.....that was just stupidity...don't know where that
came from.
whoo...i need some sleep,
bethany
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i am as anti-war, anti-bush, and pro-michael moore as the next leftist
tree-hugger, but honestly: this plan won't really work. do this in your
local borders or barnes and noble and the cashier will just stick the twenty
cds on the 'reshelve' cart and nobody will take any notice. should the
cashier happen to mention the situation to the store manager, it will still
do no good, as store managers are not much in the monolithic infrastructure
of chain corporations and can't really make the chain cowtow to that
particular branch's customers.
and while i'm all for rushing to the defense of three thoroughly wealthy and
well-heeled country chanteuses, i can't help but point out that cashiers are
riotously underpaid, spend eight hours on their feet drumming up varicose
veins, and get treated like underclass uneducated plebians by customers.
and that's just a regular day. do me a favor (as i do such 'customer
service' at an organic market and get to see my cashiers get trod upon
daily) and don't make someone's dead-end, thankless job even harder by
smacking stacks of cds down on their counters. you want to protest, take
your protest to the store heads; keep your ire away from those at the bottom
of the retail feeding chain.
jill, ever the ray of sunshine
>only unconfirmed rumors about this-- i have a suggestion. if ten or
>twenty people went into such a store and picked up say twenty cds and
>then went up to the cashier asking for the dixie chicks album. when
>told they are not selling it, drop the twenty cds on the counter and
>leave. let them start adding up the lost business.
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date: wed, 26 mar 2003 01:04:42 -0700
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anyone going to the show in moscow (idaho, of course)? i'm considering
it...i'm sure the 4-hr. drive would be worth it...
just curious,
amy m.
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date: wed, 26 mar 2003 08:43:29 -0600
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i was thinking that, too, jill. besides, they'll never believe we meant to
buy all those cd's. who buys 20 cd's at once? anyway, moot point unless we
get confirmation of stores that refuse to sell the dixie chicks.
i was considering buying all the dixie chicks' cd's as a statement. but
i'm kinda broke, and also, i think they're still doing ok, at least
outside of texas. i'm still hearing "landslide" on various radio stations
as i drive about.
on wed, 26 mar 2003, jill certo wrote:
> i am as anti-war, anti-bush, and pro-michael moore as the next leftist
> tree-hugger, but honestly: this plan won't really work. do this in your
> local borders or barnes and noble and the cashier will just stick the twenty
> cds on the 'reshelve' cart and nobody will take any notice. should the
> cashier happen to mention the situation to the store manager, it will still
> do no good, as store managers are not much in the monolithic infrastructure
> of chain corporations and can't really make the chain cowtow to that
> particular branch's customers.
>
> and while i'm all for rushing to the defense of three thoroughly wealthy and
> well-heeled country chanteuses, i can't help but point out that cashiers are
> riotously underpaid, spend eight hours on their feet drumming up varicose
> veins, and get treated like underclass uneducated plebians by customers.
> and that's just a regular day. do me a favor (as i do such 'customer
> service' at an organic market and get to see my cashiers get trod upon
> daily) and don't make someone's dead-end, thankless job even harder by
> smacking stacks of cds down on their counters. you want to protest, take
> your protest to the store heads; keep your ire away from those at the bottom
> of the retail feeding chain.
>
> jill, ever the ray of sunshine
>
>
> >only unconfirmed rumors about this-- i have a suggestion. if ten or
> >twenty people went into such a store and picked up say twenty cds and
> >then went up to the cashier asking for the dixie chicks album. when
> >told they are not selling it, drop the twenty cds on the counter and
> >leave. let them start adding up the lost business.
>
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jill, a comment similar to yours came up on another list and this
was the response. i have to say that i also work in retail, and i do
think it would have *some* affect.
g.
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on the other hand, pulling a "stunt" seems precisely the point. i agree
that this activity would not register as lost business. but enough of of
this kind of activity might generate publicity, even if only in urban weekly
music newspapers.
i worked retail also (as long as we're appealing to experience), and any
break in the boring monotony was welcome (unless it involved the cops).
reshelving was the only part of the job which gave me a sense of
accomplishment, but i don't presume to speak for every worker in recorded
music stores.
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date: wed, 26 mar 2003 09:19:23 -0700
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on wed, 26 mar 2003, andrea crain wrote:
> i was considering buying all the dixie chicks' cd's as a statement. but
> i'm kinda broke, and also, i think they're still doing ok, at least
> outside of texas. i'm still hearing "landslide" on various radio stations
> as i drive about.
>
it is cumulus that is boycotting the dixie chicks, and since clear channel
owns a vastly larger number of radio stations, that's why we're still
hearing them generally.
have any of you ever visited the clear channel website? i did recently
and was surprised at how *out* they are about their conservatism. clear
channel was, if you haven't heard, organizing pro-war rallies in certain
markets and then reporting on the rallies in their news bureau as though
they were spontaneous and grassroots. also, re: igc there is a strange
little political cartoon drawn by amy in the most recent daemon catalog
that mentions clear channel.
g.
channels of influence
march 25, 2003
by paul krugman
new york times
by and large, recent pro-war rallies haven't drawn nearly
as many people as antiwar rallies, but they have certainly
been vehement. one of the most striking took place after
natalie maines, lead singer for the dixie chicks,
criticized president bush: a crowd gathered in louisiana to
watch a 33,000-pound tractor smash a collection of dixie
chicks cd's, tapes and other paraphernalia. to those
familiar with 20th-century european history it seemed
eerily reminiscent of. . . . but as sinclair lewis said, it
can't happen here.
who has been organizing those pro-war rallies? the answer,
it turns out, is that they are being promoted by key
players in the radio industry - with close links to the
bush administration.
the cd-smashing rally was organized by krmd, part of
cumulus media, a radio chain that has banned the dixie
chicks from its playlists. most of the pro-war
demonstrations around the country have, however, been
organized by stations owned by clear channel
communications, a behemoth based in san antonio that
controls more than 1,200 stations and increasingly
dominates the airwaves.
the company claims that the demonstrations, which go under
the name rally for america, reflect the initiative of
individual stations. but this is unlikely: according to
eric boehlert, who has written revelatory articles about
clear channel in salon, the company is notorious - and
widely hated - for its iron-fisted centralized control.
until now, complaints about clear channel have focused on
its business practices. critics say it uses its power to
squeeze recording companies and artists and contributes to
the growing blandness of broadcast music. but now the
company appears to be using its clout to help one side in a
political dispute that deeply divides the nation.
why would a media company insert itself into politics this
way? it could, of course, simply be a matter of personal
conviction on the part of management. but there are also
good reasons for clear channel - which became a giant only
in the last few years, after the telecommunications act of
1996 removed many restrictions on media ownership - to
curry favor with the ruling party. on one side, clear
channel is feeling some heat: it is being sued over
allegations that it threatens to curtail the airplay of
artists who don't tour with its concert division, and there
are even some politicians who want to roll back the
deregulation that made the company's growth possible. on
the other side, the federal communications commission is
considering further deregulation that would allow clear
channel to expand even further, particularly into
television.
or perhaps the quid pro quo is more narrowly focused.
experienced bushologists let out a collective "aha!" when
clear channel was revealed to be behind the pro-war
rallies, because the company's top management has a history
with george w. bush. the vice chairman of clear channel is
tom hicks, whose name may be familiar to readers of this
column. when mr. bush was governor of texas, mr. hicks was
chairman of the university of texas investment management
company, called utimco, and clear channel's chairman, lowry
mays, was on its board. under mr. hicks, utimco placed much
of the university's endowment under the management of
companies with strong republican party or bush family ties.
in 1998 mr. hicks purchased the texas rangers in a deal
that made mr. bush a multimillionaire.
there's something happening here. what it is ain't exactly
clear, but a good guess is that we're now seeing the next
stage in the evolution of a new american oligarchy. as
jonathan chait has written in the new republic, in the bush
administration "government and business have melded into
one big 'us.' " on almost every aspect of domestic policy,
business interests rule: "scores of midlevel appointees . .
. now oversee industries for which they once worked." we
should have realized that this is a two-way street: if
politicians are busy doing favors for businesses that
support them, why shouldn't we expect businesses to
reciprocate by doing favors for those politicians - by, for
example, organizing "grass roots" rallies on their behalf?
what makes it all possible, of course, is the absence of
effective watchdogs. in the clinton years the merest hint
of impropriety quickly blew up into a huge scandal; these
days, the scandalmongers are more likely to go after
journalists who raise questions. anyway, don't you know
there's a war on?
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supreme court hears sodomy case
posted: 10:47 a.m. est march 26, 2003
washington -- anti-gay demonstrators are gathered outside the supreme court
-- as justices take another look at whether a ban on homosexual sex is
constitutional.
in a ruling 17 years ago, justices upheld georgia's law against sodomy.
wednesday, they're examining a similar law.
lawyers for two texas men arrested in their bedroom are asking the court to
overturn their convictions for sodomy under a state "homosexual conduct"
law.
the texas government and its allies say the case is about the right of
states to enforce moral standards.
outside the court, protesters are carrying signs with anti-homosexual
messages -- including one that reads, "aids is god's revenge."
i hadn't heard anything about this. how can arresting someone for an act
within their own home be legal? does anyone know more about this case?
i for one am very angry to hear about such a thing.
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there are actually 14 states that still have anti-sodomy laws. in some
states, the law only applies to sodomy between homosexuals. you can read
more about it at <http://www.sodomylaws.org/>
being in the privacy of your own home doesn't exclude you from the law...in
some cases, like domestic and child abuse, this is thankfully so. however,
there are various political and religious motivations behind (no pun
intended) many of these sodomy laws...and in some cases, sodomy is not
simply defined as penile-anal sex, but extends to other types of sex (oral,
for one) as well.
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right - but don't freak out too much, because these guys, iirc, set out to
be a test case. they called the cops to come to their house, saying there
had been a break-in or something like that, then got busy. when the cops
got there, they were like, "ok, arrest us now." so it's not like the cops
are patrolling the streets, peering into bedroom windows, looking for gays
to arrest.
on wed, 26 mar 2003, <victoria heckler> wrote:
> there are actually 14 states that still have anti-sodomy laws. in some
> states, the law only applies to sodomy between homosexuals. you can read
> more about it at <http://www.sodomylaws.org/>
>
> being in the privacy of your own home doesn't exclude you from the law...in
> some cases, like domestic and child abuse, this is thankfully so. however,
> there are various political and religious motivations behind (no pun
> intended) many of these sodomy laws...and in some cases, sodomy is not
> simply defined as penile-anal sex, but extends to other types of sex (oral,
> for one) as well.
>
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my state, alabama, is on the list and i couldn't fathom it ever being
erased from the books here. erasing the interracial marriage ban in the
alabama state code only passed 60-40 in 2000. we cannot pass a lottery
bill when our education system is a few steps from the bottom of the
ladder. people with tunnel vision and bible thumpers both live in
alabama.
lets just hope that for those that partake in alabama, the invasion of
privacy laws don't get changed in the name of "homeland security."
- todd
"" wrote:
>
> there are actually 14 states that still have anti-sodomy laws. in some
> states, the law only applies to sodomy between homosexuals. you can read
> more about it at <http://www.sodomylaws.org/>
>
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quoting andrea crain <acrain@idea-inc.com>:
> right - but don't freak out too much, because these guys, iirc, set out to
> be a test case. they called the cops to come to their house, saying there
> had been a break-in or something like that, then got busy. when the cops
> got there, they were like, "ok, arrest us now." so it's not like the cops
> are patrolling the streets, peering into bedroom windows, looking for gays
> to arrest.
not true. at least, that's not the account i heard this morning on npr and read
just now in the nytimes ap wire:
"the case began in 1998, when a neighbor tricked police with a false report of a
black man ''going crazy'' in john geddes lawrence's apartment. police pushed
their way in and found lawrence having anal sex with another man, tyron garner.
although texas rarely enforced its antisodomy law, officers decided to book the
two men and jail them overnight on charges of ''deviate sexual intercourse with
another individual of the same sex.'' they were each fined $200 plus court costs.
the case is lawrence v. texas, 02-102."
<http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/ap-scotus-sodomy.html>
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wow, i stand corrected. i wonder where i got that idea!!! sorry, gang. i
just really remembered reading that account of how it happened several
years ago. i guess my mind is playing tricks.
on wed, 26 mar 2003, anna creech wrote:
> quoting andrea crain <acrain@idea-inc.com>:
>
> > right - but don't freak out too much, because these guys, iirc, set out to
> > be a test case. they called the cops to come to their house, saying there
> > had been a break-in or something like that, then got busy. when the cops
> > got there, they were like, "ok, arrest us now." so it's not like the cops
> > are patrolling the streets, peering into bedroom windows, looking for gays
> > to arrest.
>
> not true. at least, that's not the account i heard this morning on npr and read
> just now in the nytimes ap wire:
>
> "the case began in 1998, when a neighbor tricked police with a false report of a
> black man ''going crazy'' in john geddes lawrence's apartment. police pushed
> their way in and found lawrence having anal sex with another man, tyron garner.
>
> although texas rarely enforced its antisodomy law, officers decided to book the
> two men and jail them overnight on charges of ''deviate sexual intercourse with
> another individual of the same sex.'' they were each fined $200 plus court costs.
>
> the case is lawrence v. texas, 02-102."
>
> <http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/ap-scotus-sodomy.html>
>
> anna
>
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right - but the point is that the laws still exist.
peace,
eileen
>from: andrea crain
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>date: wed, 26 mar 2003 12:34:11 -0600
>
>right - but don't freak out too much, because these guys, iirc, set out to
>be a test case. they called the cops to come to their house, saying there
>had been a break-in or something like that, then got busy. when the cops
>got there, they were like, "ok, arrest us now." so it's not like the cops
>are patrolling the streets, peering into bedroom windows, looking for gays
>to arrest.
>
>on wed, 26 mar 2003, wrote:
>
> > there are actually 14 states that still have anti-sodomy laws. in some
> > states, the law only applies to sodomy between homosexuals. you can read
> > more about it at http://www.sodomylaws.org/
> >
> > being in the privacy of your own home doesn't exclude you from the law...in
> > some cases, like domestic and child abuse, this is thankfully so. however,
> > there are various political and religious motivations behind (no pun
> > intended) many of these sodomy laws...and in some cases, sodomy is not
> > simply defined as penile-anal sex, but extends to other types of sex (oral,
> > for one) as well.
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i know that's the point. i just thought the case was less alarming than
the news was making it out to be. unfortunately, i was remembering wrong!
on wed, 26 mar 2003, eileen standen wrote:
>
> right - but the point is that the laws still exist.
>
> peace,
>
> eileen
>
>
>
> >from: andrea crain
>
> >reply-to: andrea crain
> >to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
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> >date: wed, 26 mar 2003 12:34:11 -0600
> >
> >right - but don't freak out too much, because these guys, iirc, set out
> to
> >be a test case. they called the cops to come to their house, saying
> there
> >had been a break-in or something like that, then got busy. when the cops
> >got there, they were like, "ok, arrest us now." so it's not like the
> cops
> >are patrolling the streets, peering into bedroom windows, looking for
> gays
> >to arrest.
> >
> >on wed, 26 mar 2003, wrote:
> >
> > > there are actually 14 states that still have anti-sodomy laws. in
> some
> > > states, the law only applies to sodomy between homosexuals. you can
> read
> > > more about it at <http://www.sodomylaws.org/>
> > >
> > > being in the privacy of your own home doesn't exclude you from the
> law...in
> > > some cases, like domestic and child abuse, this is thankfully so.
> however,
> > > there are various political and religious motivations behind (no pun
> > > intended) many of these sodomy laws...and in some cases, sodomy is
> not
> > > simply defined as penile-anal sex, but extends to other types of sex
> (oral,
> > > for one) as well.
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people on the list have raised some interesting questions about the case --
thought i'd supply a bit of illumination. these are merely some highlights:
1) lawrence and garner didn't set themselves up to be a test case --
although it's fairly clear that they were set up to be arrested for
"homosexual sodomy" (lovely expression).
2) on the privacy front -- this is the approach that was taken in the 1986
ga sodomy case that went to the supreme court (bowers v. hardwick). the
court ruled that privacy law (here, basically 14th amendment "due process"
stuff) didn't protect gay people having sex in the privacy of their own
homes, because at the time the 14th amendment was ratified, there were loads
of anti-sodomy laws on the books and the court didn't see them as
antithetical to the new constitutional amendment. please note that *this
same* privacy law allows us to view pornography in our bedrooms and lets
both married and unmarried people use birth control. and since 1986 a lot
of states -- including ga -- have overturned state anti-sodomy statutes
because *the states* have come to see that these laws violate *state*
privacy laws.
for what it's worth, this time around texas claims that the whole reason
their sodomy law *only* tags gay people is because various supreme court
decisions (like the birth control cases) have made it clear that it's not
legal to legislate what married or unmarried straight people can do in their
bedrooms. this of course leaves gay people. wry grin.
if the court overturns bowers, *all* state sodomy statutes will fall as soon
as someone litigates -- even alabama's.
3) the other possibility is that the court will look at this case in the
context of romer v evans -- that was the supreme court case from 96 about
the co state constitution, and amendment 2. that case held that it's
illegal -- from an equal protection standpoint -- to pass laws actively
singling out gay people for negative treatment. the court may look at
gay-only sodomy statutes and say that they are illegal because of romer.
although on the face of it it would seem that overturning bowers would be
more dramatic and therefore better, a decision under romer would probably be
a more powerful tool for litigation of future cases, because then you'd have
*cases* -- more than one -- that say loud and clear that you can't single
gay people out for negative treatment, because that is legislating animus.
court watchers are virtually certain that texas will *not* win -- that the
law will be found to be unconstitutional. but everyone is waiting to see
how the court does it, because that will have an impact on the long-term
effects of this case.
ruth
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hey y'all,
i'm not dead yet! former chickenman, doolittle and
still tony is back!?!
i'm hoping to find info on the girls coming to texas.
the last time i saw them was at the sons of hermann
hall in dallas, feb 2002.
is mandy still on the list?
how's everyone else?
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hello all
i am late on this, but i am on break and i sleep all day. i am fed up with
the war and prefer to be blasting my ears with the girls' music, but anyway
i do agree with the frustration and dropping the cds, but i have been there
and i think all of us have been the lowly ones on the todem pole. thos of
us on the low end get yelled at and our boss has nothing to say to it.
he/she could care. go during the day and hunt for the manager and when you
do find her/him be cordual, i guess that is the way to put it. i for one
thing am unemployed student who hasn't bought a cd since begining of winter
quarter so like 3rd week in jan. or something. cds are too damn expensive.
oh, thanks for all of you have made me boots.
enjoy the regulary scheduled news reported to you from iraq to right to your
homes by yours truely.
kris
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i am as anti-war, anti-bush, and pro-michael moore as the next leftist
tree-hugger, but honestly: this plan won't really work. do this in your
local borders or barnes and noble and the cashier will just stick the twenty
cds on the 'reshelve' cart and nobody will take any notice. should the
cashier happen to mention the situation to the store manager, it will still
do no good, as store managers are not much in the monolithic infrastructure
of chain corporations and can't really make the chain cowtow to that
particular branch's customers.
and while i'm all for rushing to the defense of three thoroughly wealthy and
well-heeled country chanteuses, i can't help but point out that cashiers are
riotously underpaid, spend eight hours on their feet drumming up varicose
veins, and get treated like underclass uneducated plebians by customers.
and that's just a regular day. do me a favor (as i do such 'customer
service' at an organic market and get to see my cashiers get trod upon
daily) and don't make someone's dead-end, thankless job even harder by
smacking stacks of cds down on their counters. you want to protest, take
your protest to the store heads; keep your ire away from those at the bottom
of the retail feeding chain.
jill, ever the ray of sunshine
>only unconfirmed rumors about this-- i have a suggestion. if ten or
>twenty people went into such a store and picked up say twenty cds and
>then went up to the cashier asking for the dixie chicks album. when
>told they are not selling it, drop the twenty cds on the counter and
>leave. let them start adding up the lost business.
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date: thu, 27 mar 2003 01:42:01 -0800
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why don't i hear ig played that much in oregon? are we really in the boon
docks?
kris
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date: wed, 26 mar 2003 09:19:23 -0700
on wed, 26 mar 2003, andrea crain wrote:
> i was considering buying all the dixie chicks' cd's as a statement. but
> i'm kinda broke, and also, i think they're still doing ok, at least
> outside of texas. i'm still hearing "landslide" on various radio stations
> as i drive about.
>
it is cumulus that is boycotting the dixie chicks, and since clear channel
owns a vastly larger number of radio stations, that's why we're still
hearing them generally.
have any of you ever visited the clear channel website? i did recently
and was surprised at how *out* they are about their conservatism. clear
channel was, if you haven't heard, organizing pro-war rallies in certain
markets and then reporting on the rallies in their news bureau as though
they were spontaneous and grassroots. also, re: igc there is a strange
little political cartoon drawn by amy in the most recent daemon catalog
that mentions clear channel.
g.
channels of influence
march 25, 2003
by paul krugman
new york times
by and large, recent pro-war rallies haven't drawn nearly
as many people as antiwar rallies, but they have certainly
been vehement. one of the most striking took place after
natalie maines, lead singer for the dixie chicks,
criticized president bush: a crowd gathered in louisiana to
watch a 33,000-pound tractor smash a collection of dixie
chicks cd's, tapes and other paraphernalia. to those
familiar with 20th-century european history it seemed
eerily reminiscent of. . . . but as sinclair lewis said, it
can't happen here.
who has been organizing those pro-war rallies? the answer,
it turns out, is that they are being promoted by key
players in the radio industry - with close links to the
bush administration.
the cd-smashing rally was organized by krmd, part of
cumulus media, a radio chain that has banned the dixie
chicks from its playlists. most of the pro-war
demonstrations around the country have, however, been
organized by stations owned by clear channel
communications, a behemoth based in san antonio that
controls more than 1,200 stations and increasingly
dominates the airwaves.
the company claims that the demonstrations, which go under
the name rally for america, reflect the initiative of
individual stations. but this is unlikely: according to
eric boehlert, who has written revelatory articles about
clear channel in salon, the company is notorious - and
widely hated - for its iron-fisted centralized control.
until now, complaints about clear channel have focused on
its business practices. critics say it uses its power to
squeeze recording companies and artists and contributes to
the growing blandness of broadcast music. but now the
company appears to be using its clout to help one side in a
political dispute that deeply divides the nation.
why would a media company insert itself into politics this
way? it could, of course, simply be a matter of personal
conviction on the part of management. but there are also
good reasons for clear channel - which became a giant only
in the last few years, after the telecommunications act of
1996 removed many restrictions on media ownership - to
curry favor with the ruling party. on one side, clear
channel is feeling some heat: it is being sued over
allegations that it threatens to curtail the airplay of
artists who don't tour with its concert division, and there
are even some politicians who want to roll back the
deregulation that made the company's growth possible. on
the other side, the federal communications commission is
considering further deregulation that would allow clear
channel to expand even further, particularly into
television.
or perhaps the quid pro quo is more narrowly focused.
experienced bushologists let out a collective "aha!" when
clear channel was revealed to be behind the pro-war
rallies, because the company's top management has a history
with george w. bush. the vice chairman of clear channel is
tom hicks, whose name may be familiar to readers of this
column. when mr. bush was governor of texas, mr. hicks was
chairman of the university of texas investment management
company, called utimco, and clear channel's chairman, lowry
mays, was on its board. under mr. hicks, utimco placed much
of the university's endowment under the management of
companies with strong republican party or bush family ties.
in 1998 mr. hicks purchased the texas rangers in a deal
that made mr. bush a multimillionaire.
there's something happening here. what it is ain't exactly
clear, but a good guess is that we're now seeing the next
stage in the evolution of a new american oligarchy. as
jonathan chait has written in the new republic, in the bush
administration "government and business have melded into
one big 'us.' " on almost every aspect of domestic policy,
business interests rule: "scores of midlevel appointees . .
. now oversee industries for which they once worked." we
should have realized that this is a two-way street: if
politicians are busy doing favors for businesses that
support them, why shouldn't we expect businesses to
reciprocate by doing favors for those politicians - by, for
example, organizing "grass roots" rallies on their behalf?
what makes it all possible, of course, is the absence of
effective watchdogs. in the clinton years the merest hint
of impropriety quickly blew up into a huge scandal; these
days, the scandalmongers are more likely to go after
journalists who raise questions. anyway, don't you know
there's a war on?
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on 27 mar 2003 at 1:42, kris hubbard wrote:
> why don't i hear ig played that much in oregon? are we really in the boon
> docks?
>
if you are in the portland broadcasting area tune your radio to kink 102 fm.
(frequency might be 102.1) very good radio station. they play ig's quite often.
the ig's visit their studios and talk and sing everytime they are in town. check out
kink's website: <http://www.kinkfm102.com/> they have their playlist, calendar,
photos from guest appearances, their (very liberal) viewpoints. i miss it!
i *do* live in the boon docks (alabama) and have *never* heard the ig's played on
the radio :-( i miss oregon!!!
michelle
"they're sending soldiers to distant places
x's and o's on someone's drawing board.
like green and plastic but with human faces
and they want to tell you it's a merciful sword.
but with all the blood newly dried in the desert
can we not fertilize the land with something else?
there is no nation by god exempted
lay down your weapons and love your neighbor as yourself."
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just for the sake of conversation. i sent news about the jan. 18th
(and march 15th emergency) demo at the white house, i sent them to
rcam.....yet surprizingly the only iraq demo they mentioned on their
website was the october one.
what could be their reason? i mean i know the girls care very much about
the war and want an end. i hope they're not in the same predicament as
the dixie chicks! if they were
yuh'd think they would mention it somewhere.
peace
barb
stop the war on iraqi people! finding a peaceful solution does not
involve doing nothing.
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don't think i saw this posted yet. according to pollstar,
there are new dates up for august:
fri 08/08/03 chautauqua, ny chautauqua amphitheater
wed 08/13/03 hyannis, ma cape cod melody tent
thu 08/14/03 new york, ny central park summerstage
mon 08/18/03 vienna, va wolf trap filene ctr.
fri 08/22/03 asheville, nc biltmore estates
sandy :)
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for those who are interested...
professor lillian faderman, dean of the school of humanities and
assistant vp for academic affairs at california state university-fresno,
will speak at emory
on tuesday, april 1st at 4:00 pm in white hall room 205. her talk will
draw on her just-published memoir, "naked in the promised land."
here is what author sarah schulman has to say about the memoir:
"today lillian faderman is a distinguished academic; her early days
among holocaust-scarred relatives and lesbian pimps on sunset strip are
a testament to a
personal vision in the face of historical struggle."
chairs books and more will have copies of "naked in the promised land"
to sell at the reception that will follow faderman's talk, in the white
hall lobby.
faderman is best known for her pioneering work in the field of lesbian
history; her best-known work in this field includes the books
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this talk is free and open to the public.
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barb bordner wrote:
"what could be their reason? i mean i know the girls care very much about
the war and want an end. i hope they're not in the same predicament as
the dixie chicks!"
hardly! when emily came out saturday night at the lyrics for life benefit she brought her "war is not the answer" sign with her and when someone in the audience said something...she said something back like ...i don't care go step on some indigo girls cd's ....it was pretty funny!
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really? what did the person say?
barb
tomboy writes;
<<when someone in the audience said something....she (emily) said
something back.>>
stop the war on iraqi people! finding a peaceful solution does not
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can you please email me privately.
thx
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hey everyone!
i just got a new minidisc player and i was really excited about it until i found out that it doesn't have a microphone jack, only a line-in optical jack. i wanted to primarily for recording live shows, and it was a gift so i can't ask the giver to exchange it. from my research on the net, i have figured out that i need to plug in a preamp to the line in jack and plug a microphone into the preamp. and it is really hard to come up with this combination (preamp+microphone) for under $100 (i am a student, i'm broke!). does anyone have any experience with this? is it really all that expensive?? i am a complete newbie at this and i am at a loss. help!
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check out www.soundprofessionals.com <http://www.soundprofessionals.com/>
if your optical line in is a "stereo mini jack" size (1/4 inch), you can
probably buy a power supply for around $60 and a mic for about $50. the
staff there is really helpful, so i suggest you give them a call and they
will hook you up with what you need. their gear all has a lifetime
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hey everyone!
i just got a new minidisc player and i was really excited about it until
i found out that it doesn't have a microphone jack, only a line-in
optical jack. i wanted to primarily for recording live shows, and it
was a gift so i can't ask the giver to exchange it. from my research on
the net, i have figured out that i need to plug in a preamp to the line
in jack and plug a microphone into the preamp. and it is really hard to
come up with this combination (preamp+microphone) for under $100 (i am a
student, i'm broke!). does anyone have any experience with this? is it
really all that expensive?? i am a complete newbie at this and i am at
a loss. help!
elise
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yeah, i heard about what emily said.=a0 that is awesome.
for those of you on the bbs, you probably already ready my rantings.=a0 and=20=
i=20
know that a lot of you like the dixie chicks, so i apologize if what i am=20
about say annoys you.=a0 and i, admittedly, know nothing about the dixie=20
chicks.=a0 but whatever...
anyway, i don't think that what that dixie chick said and did was too=20
amazing.=a0 i mean, it was cool that she spoke out against the war and bush,=
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but as soon as she took any flack for it, she apologized.=a0 sorry.=a0 i was=
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impressed.
that is what i love about ig.=a0 they don't apologize for not always holding=
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the popular opinion (and for speaking their minds).=a0 thank goodness...
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hey y'all,
i have one extra chicago ticket for sale.
the show is on the 9th of april at 7pm (doors at 6, i believe) at the metro. kim rickey is opening.
face value + ticketmaster charges. $33.75.
the show is sold out.
i do not like meeting (waiting around) for people that i don't know on the day of the show (especially ga shows) because i tend to get nervous. so i'll mail it to you. if you want it priority mail, add $3.
let me know if you're interested.
:-) karen
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just for the record here....
how do we feel about this war...
plase.. a simple "pro" or "apposed"
for me... pro.
joe,
manhattan,ny
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i called biltmore estate this am to find out about tickets...when they =
will go on sale. sometime in june. jfyi. did anyone go to this last =
year?
nichole
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> plase.. a simple "pro" or "apposed"
opposed.
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>>plase.. a simple "pro" or "apposed"
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definately opposed
diane <dweiden@ix.netcom.com> wrote:opposed
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>>plase.. a simple "pro" or "apposed"
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date: fri, 28 mar 2003 19:26:55 -0500
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> how do we feel about this war...
> plase.. a simple "pro" or "apposed"
pro, beyond question.
- rick c. hodgin
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joy (neversaythat@starstream.net)wanted me to post this for her. she has been trying to send it and it has been bouncing back:
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first, just wanted to say that i think it's hilarious that you want
people to limit their answers to pro or opposed. please - no extra
facts, thoughts, or ideas. lol!
next,
opposed.
joy:-d
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<<<first, just wanted to say that i think it's hilarious that you want
people to limit their answers to pro or opposed. please - no extra
facts, thoughts, or ideas.>>>>
glad i could make you laugh. the point is not to get into a discussion about why you think it should or should not happen. i wasn't asking for anyone "super passive 'if only the world were more like me' philabuster"
the intention here is to see how many of us, who are the only people i know who share my love for the girls and their music share my complete opposition of opinion amy and emily share about it.
again, glad i could make you laugh
joe,
manhattan,ny
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a definite "pro" here.
usa all the way!
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on fri, 28 mar 2003, joe agueci wrote:
> how do we feel about this war...
opposed!
amanda.
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i am very interested in people who have vastly differing opinions from ig,
who are fans enough to spend money on cds and concerts and be on a mailing
list... i have often thought about this strange dichotomy and been very
curious. personally, i would never buy a ted nugent cd or be on a mailing
list dedicated to discussion of his music even if i loved his creative
output. but that's me and how important my political views are.
as a sociologist, i would love it if someone (pro-war, anti-choice,
etc.) could explain the reasoning to me.
btw: opposed, obviously
g.
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