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date:         fri, 28 mar 2003 23:37:15 -0600
reply-to:     barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
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subject:      re: ig/dixie chicks
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opposed, as for patriotism no question, i am always for my country, (the
people) not always for my government.

peace
barb


stop the war on iraqi people! finding a peaceful solution does not
involve doing nothing.


ffi  www.internationalanswer.org  and
www.notinourname.net


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date:         sat, 29 mar 2003 01:25:23 est
reply-to:     indigotraveller@aol.com
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pro-american.


anti-war (= opposed).


war should always be a last resort.  this wasn't.


lauren


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date:         sat, 29 mar 2003 00:21:23 -0800
reply-to:     tony fraps <aquaspec@sbcglobal.net>
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1. what country does "scooter boys" reference?


2. what is amy's home town?


3. who plays the dulcimer?


4. who has been called "sunshine" by her band members?


5. who wrote "thin line"?


6. of a&e who has worn overalls?


7. who is the best guitarist of the ig's?


8. who is the most rambunctious of the ig's?


9. who owns daemon rceords?


10. who is eddie owen?


none of the above questions matter.  the following
question is decisive:


11. who are the blind boys of alabama?


12. <bonus question> for a free bootleg from my old
collection:  what kinda streets did the joker bruise
her heels on?  for the first 500 right answers .. or
the first one... or maybe you'll never hear from me
again :o ..... please reply!!!!


thanx y'all~
j. rottentail


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date:         sat, 29 mar 2003 12:20:18 -0000
reply-to:     john bond <john.bond@lineone.net>
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pro - the people fighting the war. they're just following the orders of the
politicians.


government - opposed. bush wanted this war. blair just wants the us support.


john.


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sent: friday, march 28, 2003 11:07 pm
subject: re: ig/dixie chicks

> just for the record here....
>
> how do we feel about this war...
>
> plase.. a simple "pro" or "apposed"
>
> for me... pro.
>
> joe,
> manhattan,ny
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date:         sat, 29 mar 2003 04:24:03 -0800
reply-to:     spider london <furyspider@yahoo.co.uk>
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opposed to the war on iraq.
they should be focusing on stopping the blood shed of israelis and palestinians.  that  has been going on way too long.


~fury~
john bond <john.bond@lineone.net> wrote:pro - the people fighting the war. they're just following the orders of the
politicians.


government - opposed. bush wanted this war. blair just wants the us support.


john.


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to:
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> just for the record here....
>
> how do we feel about this war...
>
> plase.. a simple "pro" or "apposed"
>
> for me... pro.
>
> joe,
> manhattan,ny
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date:         sat, 29 mar 2003 12:47:00 -0000
reply-to:     john bond <john.bond@lineone.net>
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i think the thing with the israeli / palestinian situation is that the
israelis are "friends" with the usa government (at least the bush
administration). they may talk about wanting to take care of the problems,
but if it comes down to anything that really adversely affects the israelis,
the usa will pull out.


it's the same with any dictator led country. any country with a bad human
rights record. if they're "friends" with the usa, they don't get touched.
and the uk, as far as i can see it, is reluctant to step in in any
substantial way.


john.


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sent: saturday, march 29, 2003 12:24 pm
subject: war on iraq...pro/ anti ?

> opposed to the war on iraq.
> they should be focusing on stopping the blood shed of israelis and
palestinians.  that  has been going on way too long.
>
> ~fury~
>  john bond <john.bond@lineone.net> wrote:pro - the people fighting the
war. they're just following the orders of the
> politicians.
>
> government - opposed. bush wanted this war. blair just wants the us
support.
>
> john.
>
> ----- original message -----
> from: "joe agueci"
> to:
> sent: friday, march 28, 2003 11:07 pm
> subject: re: ig/dixie chicks
>
>
> > just for the record here....
> >
> > how do we feel about this war...
> >
> > plase.. a simple "pro" or "apposed"
> >
> > for me... pro.
> >
> > joe,
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date:         sat, 29 mar 2003 05:16:37 -0800
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yes the situation is very f**ked up.  but i think that's where their attention should be, israel. it's more than a shame, it's disgusting.  yes, the usa and israel seem to be "friends", even more reason to step in.    i wouldn't stand by and let my friends be killed by their neigbours or support them if they were doing the killing .  easier said than done in this f**ked up age.
why doesn't the us want to piss off israel anyway?
~fury~
john bond <john.bond@lineone.net> wrote:i think the thing with the israeli / palestinian situation is that the
israelis are "friends" with the usa government (at least the bush
administration). they may talk about wanting to take care of the problems,
but if it comes down to anything that really adversely affects the israelis,
the usa will pull out.


it's the same with any dictator led country. any country with a bad human
rights record. if they're "friends" with the usa, they don't get touched.
and the uk, as far as i can see it, is reluctant to step in in any
substantial way.


john.


----- original message -----
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to:
sent: saturday, march 29, 2003 12:24 pm
subject: war on iraq...pro/ anti ?

> opposed to the war on iraq.
> they should be focusing on stopping the blood shed of israelis and
palestinians. that has been going on way too long.
>
> ~fury~
> john bond wrote:pro - the people fighting the
war. they're just following the orders of the
> politicians.
>
> government - opposed. bush wanted this war. blair just wants the us
support.
>
> john.
>
> ----- original message -----
> from: "joe agueci"
> to:
> sent: friday, march 28, 2003 11:07 pm
> subject: re: ig/dixie chicks
>
>
> > just for the record here....
> >
> > how do we feel about this war...
> >
> > plase.. a simple "pro" or "apposed"
> >
> > for me... pro.
> >
> > joe,
> > manhattan,ny
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date:         sat, 29 mar 2003 23:36:11 +1100
reply-to:     sandy <sandyind@bigpond.net>
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apologies for the nigc


sorry. i have just been trying to send a message to the admin of the list,
and i am getting returns telling me that the registered email address
(jlucero@mail.monmouth.com) for the list is not responding.   is there
another email address that i should be using?  i tried also writing to this
email address directly, but also got mail returned.


regards,
sandy


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definitely anti-war / anti war mentality (to include belligerents on all
sides)


pro human (to include innocents and forced combatants on all sides)


war is the failure of reason.  there is no glory, only destruction and
waste.  and lies...


peace,
tim


warmonger explains war to peacenik
author unknown


pn: why did you say we are we invading iraq?


wm: we are invading iraq because it is in violation of security council
resolution 1441. a country cannot be allowed to violate security council
resolutions.


pn: but i thought many of our allies, including israel, were in
violation of more security council resolutions than iraq.


wm: it's not just about un resolutions. the main point is that iraq
could have weapons of mass destruction, and the first sign of a smoking
gun could well be a mushroom cloud over ny.


pn: mushroom cloud? but i thought the weapons inspectors said iraq had
no nuclear weapons.


wm: yes, but biological and chemical weapons are the issue.


pn: but i thought iraq did not have any long range missiles for
attacking us or our allies with such weapons.


wm: the risk is not iraq directly attacking us, but rather terrorists
networks that iraq could sell the weapons to.


pn: but couldn't virtually any country sell chemical or biological
materials? we sold quite a bit to iraq in the eighties ourselves, didn't
we?


wm: that's ancient history. look, saddam hussein is an evil man that has
an undeniable track record of repressing his own people since the early
eighties. he gasses his enemies. everyone agrees that he is a
power-hungry lunatic murderer.


pn: we sold chemical and biological materials to a power-hungry lunatic
murderer?


wm: the issue is not what we sold, but rather what saddam did. he is the
one that launched a pre-emptive first strike on kuwait.


pn: a pre-emptive first strike does sound bad. but didn't our ambassador
to iraq, gillespie, know about and green-light the invasion of kuwait?


wm: let's deal with the present, shall we? as of today, iraq could sell
its biological and chemical weapons to al qaida. osama binladen himself
released an audio tape calling on iraqis to suicide attack us, proving
a partnership between the two.


pn: osama bin laden? wasn't the point of invading afghanistan to kill
him?


wm: actually, it's not 100% certain that it's really osama bin laden on
the tapes. but the lesson from the tape is the same: there could easily
be a partnership between al qaeda and saddam hussein unless we act.


pn: is this the same audio tape where osama bin laden labels saddam a
secular infidel?


wm: you're missing the point by just focusing on the tape. powell
presented a strong case against iraq.


pn: he did?


wm: yes, he showed satellite pictures of an al qaeda poison factory in
iraq.


pn: but didn't that turn out to be a harmless shack in the part of iraq
controlled by the kurdish opposition?


wm: and a british intelligence report...


pn: didn't that turn out to be copied from an out-of-date graduate
student paper?


wm: and reports of mobile weapons labs...


pn: weren't those just artistic renderings?


wm: and reports of iraqis scuttling and hiding evidence from
inspectors...


pn: wasn't that evidence contradicted by the chief weapons inspector,
hans blix?


wm: yes, but there is plenty of other hard evidence that cannot be
revealed because it would compromise our security.


pn: so there is no publicly available evidence of weapons of mass
destruction in iraq?


wm: the inspectors are not detectives, it's not their job to find
evidence. you're missing the point.


pn: so what is the point?


wm: the main point is that we are invading iraq because resolution 1441
threatened "severe consequences." if we do not act, the security council
will become an irrelevant debating society.


pn: so the main point is to uphold the rulings of the security council?


wm: absolutely. ...unless it rules against us.


pn: and what if it does rule against us?


wm: in that case, we must lead a coalition of the willing to invade iraq.


pn: coalition of the willing? who's that?


wm: britain, turkey, bulgaria, spain, and italy, for starters.


pn: i thought turkey refused to help us unless we gave them tens of
billions of dollars


wm: nevertheless, they may now be willing.


pn: i thought public opinion in all those countries was against war.


wm: current public opinion is irrelevant. the majority expresses its
will by electing leaders to make decisions.


pn: so it's the decisions of leaders elected by the majority that is
important?


wm: yes.


pn: but george b-


wm: i mean, we must support the decisions of our leaders, however they
were elected, because they are acting in our best interest. this is
about being a patriot. that's the bottom line.


pn: so if we do not support the decisions of the president, we are not
patriotic?


wm: i never said that.


pn: so what are you saying? why are we invading iraq?


wm: as i said, because there is a chance that they have weapons of mass
destruction that threaten us and our allies.


pn: but the inspectors have not been able to find any such weapons.


wm: iraq is obviously hiding them.


pn: you know this? how?


wm: because we know they had the weapons ten years ago, and they are
still unaccounted for.


pn: the weapons we sold them, you mean?


wm: precisely.


pn: but i thought those biological and chemical weapons would degrade to
an unusable state over ten years.


wm: but there is a chance that some have not degraded.


pn: so as long as there is even a small chance that such weapons exist,
we must invade?


wm: exactly.


pn: but north korea actually has large amounts of usable chemical,
biological, and nuclear weapons, and long range missiles that can reach
the west coast and it has expelled nuclear weapons inspectors, and
threatened to turn america into a sea of fire.


wm: that's a diplomatic issue.


pn: so why are we invading iraq instead of using diplomacy?


wm: aren't you listening? we are invading iraq because we cannot allow
the inspections to drag on indefinitely. iraq has been delaying,
deceiving, and denying for over ten years, and inspections cost us tens
of millions.


pn: but i thought war would cost us tens of billions.


wm: yes, but this is not about money. this is about security.


pn: but wouldn't a pre-emptive war against iraq ignite radical muslim
sentiments against us, and decrease our security?


wm: possibly, but we must not allow the terrorists to change the way we
live. once we do that, the terrorists have already won.


pn: so what is the purpose of the department of homeland security,
color-coded terror alerts, and the patriot act? don't these change the
way we live?


wm: i thought you had questions about iraq.


pn: i do. why are we invading iraq?


wm: for the last time, we are invading iraq because the world has called
on saddam hussein to disarm, and he has failed to do so. he must now
face the consequences.


pn: so, likewise, if the world called on us to do something, such as
find a peaceful solution, we would have an obligation to listen?


wm: by "world", i meant the united nations.


pn: so, we have an obligation to listen to the united nations?


wm: by "united nations" i meant the security council.


pn: so, we have an obligation to listen to the security council?


wm: i meant the majority of the security council.


pn: so, we have an obligation to listen to the majority of the security


council?


wm: well... there could be an unreasonable veto.


pn: in which case?


wm: in which case, we have an obligation to ignore the veto.


pn: and if the majority of the security council does not support us at
all?


wm: then we have an obligation to ignore the security council.


pn: that makes no sense:


wm: if you love iraq so much, you should move there. or maybe france,
with the all the other cheese-eating surrender monkeys. it's time to
boycott their wine and cheese, no doubt about that.


pn: i give up.


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date:         sat, 29 mar 2003 09:54:40 est
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i am completely opposed to this war and am more sickened as each day dawns
with the administration and the blind jingoism of so many americans.


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the following is all a quote for a newsletter from nerissa neild of the=20
nields, a folk rock duo. it seemed to relate to what you've all been talking=
=20
about (at least the subject headings anyway--i haven't actually felt like=20
reading the e-mails, so forgive me if the contents of all of the e-mails=20
marked "dixie chicks" and "war" were actually restaurant reviews or your=20
children's essays about what they did last summer.)


>i read this today in the new york times:
>
>
>many music and radio executives said that they felt that artists were being
>discouraged from doing anything out of the normal. they pointed to the=20
>recent
>flap over disparaging comments natalie maines of the dixie chicks made=20
>about
>president bush, which has led to her music being banned on several radio
>stations and promotional stunts that involve dumping dixie chicks cd's into
>trash cans. they also mentioned that producers of both the grammy awards=20
>and
>the academy awards have asked winners not to mention the international
>situation in their acceptance speeches. =a0(the dixie chicks' lead singer,
>natalie maines, told a london audience, "just so you know, we're ashamed=20
>the
>president of the united states is from texas.")
>
>
>questioning the patriotism of hollywood activists is a favorite theme of
>celebrity-bashing internet sites. famousidiot.com is a case in point. under
>
>the banner, "they don't speak for us," the site ranks celebrities according
>to the number of "anti-americanisms" they've supposedly uttered.
>
>
>***************************************************************************=
**
*
>
>*******************
>
>number one: i find myself in the unusual position of being grateful that i=20
>am
>not famous enough to get radio play and therefore do not have to worry=20
>about
>having it taken away from me. =a0natalie maines said what she wanted to say=
=20
>and
>is being punished for her first amendment right to speak her mind. =a0the=20
>rules
>are different in wartime? =a0oh, dear. =a0i think i will buy a few extra co=
pies
>of the dixie chicks new album home to give to people as gifts. =a0(it's one=
=20
>of
>my favorite albums of 2002. =a0it rocks.)
>
>
>number two: =a0what is "patriotism"? =a0i learned in school that this word=20
>meant
>deep love and support of one's country.
>
>
>i am a patriot. =a0i love the united states of america. =a0i pledge my=20
>allegienc
>e. =a0 does that mean i do not question authority? =a0does that mean i
>
>bow my head and go along when a president (who was not actually elected by=20
>a
>majority of the people) deliberately misleads the public by trying to make=20
>us
>believe that an (albeit unsavory and nasty) dictator was responsible for=20
>the
>attact of 9/11 when in fact there is no evidence at all to support that?
>
>
>this land was made for you and me. =a0o beautiful, for purple mountains, fo=
r
>amber waves, for spacious skies, for brotherhood and sisterhood and=20
>religious
>freedom and tolerance. =a0for refuge, for the open arms of ellis island and=
=20
>the
>dignified serenity and pride of the statue of liberty (a gift from the
>french, by the way).
>
>
>today, i am going to be grateful that my enforced confinement here is=20
>keeping
>me from using any more fossil fuel. every day i choose not to drive is
>
>another drop in that bucket i believe in. =a0i will take this day to write=20=
my
>songs and novels and make phone calls and write e-mails, walk my dog, clean
>my house, pray for peace. =a0and support the troops abroad by praying for=20
>their
>safety and also the safety of those they are bombing. =a0it's a paradox, bu=
t
>that's what life's about.
>
>
>god bless you all, and god bless the united states of america. =a0and god=20
>bless
>the land and people of iraq.
>
>
>
>love, nerissa
>
>


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did anyone go to see amy and the butchies last night in asheville?  how was=20
it?


:-) karen


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we're trying to see beyond the fences in our own backyards" (isn't that the=20
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-- emily saliers, indigo girls


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opposed - i'm angry and ashamed of my government (uk) and the way it has gone along with george bush. sorry all you americans who hate the war too - this is not against you - this war is not being fought in our names. and right, john, the soldiers are just doing their job. every death and injury is a tragedy, soldier or civilian, "coalition" or iraqi. keep trying - do all you can to end it soon - let our governments know just how many people are against this foolish war!

peace,

eileen

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>from: john bond
>reply-to: john bond
>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
>subject: re: war on iraq...pro/ anti ?
>date: sat, 29 mar 2003 12:47:00 -0000
>
>i think the thing with the israeli / palestinian situation is that the
>israelis are "friends" with the usa government (at least the bush
>administration). they may talk about wanting to take care of the problems,
>but if it comes down to anything that really adversely affects the israelis,
>the usa will pull out.
>
>it's the same with any dictator led country. any country with a bad human
>rights record. if they're "friends" with the usa, they don't get touched.
>and the uk, as far as i can see it, is reluctant to step in in any
>substantial way.
>
>john.
>
>----- original message -----
>from: "spider london"
>to:
>sent: saturday, march 29, 2003 12:24 pm
>subject: war on iraq...pro/ anti ?
>
>
> > opposed to the war on iraq.
> > they should be focusing on stopping the blood shed of israelis and
>palestinians. that has been going on way too long.
> >
> > ~fury~
> > john bond wrote:pro - the people fighting the
>war. they're just following the orders of the
> > politicians.
> >
> > government - opposed. bush wanted this war. blair just wants the us
>support.
> >
> > john.
> >
> > ----- original message -----
> > from: "joe agueci"
> > to:
> > sent: friday, march 28, 2003 11:07 pm
> > subject: re: ig/dixie chicks
> >
> >
> > > just for the record here....
> > >
> > > how do we feel about this war...
> > >
> > > plase.. a simple "pro" or "apposed"
> > >
> > > for me... pro.
> > >
> > > joe,
> > > manhattan,ny
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opposed.


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----- original message -----
from: joe agueci <sprdinosur@aol.com>

> just for the record here....
>
> how do we feel about this war...
>
> plase.. a simple "pro" or "apposed"


opposed.


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juliana coming out of lurk to shout:


opposed!  peace and love.

--- garian <vigil@ucsu.colorado.edu> wrote:
> i am very interested in people who have vastly
> differing opinions from ig,
> who are fans enough to spend money on cds and
> concerts and be on a mailing
> list...  i have often thought about this strange
> dichotomy and been very
> curious.  personally, i would never buy a ted nugent
> cd or be on a mailing
> list dedicated to discussion of his music even if i
> loved his creative
> output.  but that's me and how important my
> political views are.
>
> as a sociologist, i would love it if someone
> (pro-war, anti-choice,
> etc.) could explain the reasoning to me.
>
> btw:  opposed, obviously
>
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>did anyone go to see amy and the butchies last night in asheville?  how was=20
>it?
>
>:-) karen


sorry, karen, you might want to ask your question to an indigo girls
list.  i seem to be subscribed to the war with iraq list....


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your comment speaks exactly to my question that no one will answer:  if
you don't like politics, or the particular politics of the indigo girls,
why do you support them by buying cds and subbing to a list about their
(very political) music?  i really am truly interested in how someone may
compartmentalize this contradiction.  because the indigo girls absolutely
are always very outspoken about the causes they support--intellectually,
musically and financially.  i have argued before and i will argue again,
that a list dedicated to the indigo girls is a list dedicated to their
politics because to separate the two is false and disrespectful.  i find
it funny that we are constantly asked to "sanitize" discussions that are
so obviously relevant (and important) to ig.  furthermore, i don't think
that the recent posts indicating opposition to the war have been
inflammatory or overly verbose.  the opposite really.


g

on sun, 30 mar 2003, jason hare wrote:


> sorry, karen, you might want to ask your question to an indigo girls
> list.  i seem to be subscribed to the war with iraq list....


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well stated!
garian <vigil@ucsu.colorado.edu> wrote:your comment speaks exactly to my question that no one will answer: if
you don't like politics, or the particular politics of the indigo girls,
why do you support them by buying cds and subbing to a list about their
(very political) music? i really am truly interested in how someone may
compartmentalize this contradiction. because the indigo girls absolutely
are always very outspoken about the causes they support--intellectually,
musically and financially. i have argued before and i will argue again,
that a list dedicated to the indigo girls is a list dedicated to their
politics because to separate the two is false and disrespectful. i find
it funny that we are constantly asked to "sanitize" discussions that are
so obviously relevant (and important) to ig. furthermore, i don't think
that the recent posts indicating opposition to the war have been
inflammatory or overly verbose. the opposite really.


g

on sun, 30 mar 2003, jason hare wrote:


> sorry, karen, you might want to ask your question to an indigo girls
> list. i seem to be subscribed to the war with iraq list....


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#1 george w. bush is not president
#2 america is not a true democracy
#3 the media is not fooling me.
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in defense of a previous poster who made a comment about this being a war
board and not an indigo girls board, i would like to add my 2 cents.


i don't know the poster, but i don't believe his/her post was anti politics/
anti indigo girls.


i went to get my car fixed the other day and i was forced for 2 hours
straight to listen to cnn on the tv in the waiting area on nothing but the
war.  i turn on my tv, it's the war.  i watch my local news, i hear a 20
minutes weather report on iraq before i know if i need an umbrella in ny.
what the frigg do i care what the weather is like in iraq?     i read the
papers, it's the war...i got my hair done, it's the war.  i turn on aol, and
there it is again smack-dab in my face on aol's welcome screen (the war is a
welcome?).  then i open my email to see i have 17 emails, and guess what?
it's the war!


i am so sick and tired of being forced to listen and participate in the war
24 hours a day.  i think that is all the poster was trying to say.


as far as the poll was concerned, why couldn't the original poller ask for
the responses to come to him/her, and then give us one post with the votes?
my god, 17 emails all about the war in less than an hour?  we pretty much
know what the views are on this board, it doesn't mean i have to hear them ad
nausea.  it also doesn't mean i don't agree with them.  what it means is i
want to do more than just talk about the war!


thank you, and now back to your regularly scheduled program without further
commercial (or war time) interruptions.


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"well the world seems spent and the president has no good
idea of who the masses are
well i'm one of them and i'm among friends
we're trying to see beyond the fences in our own backyards" (isn't that the=20
truth?!)
-- emily saliers, indigo girls


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beauty
just keeps shaking me"=a0 -- amy, again


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i think jason was just trying to lighten things up.  i thought it was
actually funny.  anyway...for what its worth.  i'm opposed to the war.  and
umm how about that asheville show?  any reviews out there?  anybody see the
show?


peace
sandy

garian <vigil@ucsu.colorado.edu> wrote:your comment speaks exactly to my
question that no one will answer: if
you don't like politics, or the particular politics of the indigo girls,
why do you support them by buying cds and subbing to a list about their
(very political) music? i really am truly interested in how someone may
compartmentalize this contradiction. because the indigo girls absolutely
are always very outspoken about the causes they support--intellectually,
musically and financially. i have argued before and i will argue again,
that a list dedicated to the indigo girls is a list dedicated to their
politics because to separate the two is false and disrespectful. i find
it funny that we are constantly asked to "sanitize" discussions that are
so obviously relevant (and important) to ig. furthermore, i don't think
that the recent posts indicating opposition to the war have been
inflammatory or overly verbose. the opposite really.


g

on sun, 30 mar 2003, jason hare wrote:


> sorry, karen, you might want to ask your question to an indigo girls
> list. i seem to be subscribed to the war with iraq list....


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sorry for sending that blank.  :/


so did anyone go?  i didn't realize that my post about it the first time=20
would ignite such controversy...


:-) karen


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"well the world seems spent and the president has no good
idea of who the masses are
well i'm one of them and i'm among friends
we're trying to see beyond the fences in our own backyards" (isn't that the=20
truth?!)
-- emily saliers, indigo girls


"this world falls on me dreams of immortality, everywhere i turn all the=20
beauty
just keeps shaking me"=a0 -- amy, again


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hey...


i took jason's post to be a joke, but since you ask, and because it's a good
question...


<<your comment speaks exactly to my question that no one will answer:  if
you don't like politics, or the particular politics of the indigo girls, why
do you support them by buying cds and subbing to a list about their (very
political) music?  i really am truly interested in how someone may
compartmentalize this contradiction.>>


the answer is that their music as a whole ~isn't~ very political. there ~is~
no contradiction.


you could probably count their overtly political songs on both hands. bury
my heart at wounded knee; point hope f.o.i.a.; lucy stoners; philosophy of
loss. it's really a small percentage of their overall oeuvre. more
importantly, some of the songs that ~are~ political are political in an
abstract way - faye tucker works just as well as a pro or anti death penalty
song.


so i, and i'm guessing most people, buy their albums and signed up to this
list simply because they like the indigo girls' music a whole lot.


just because i like someone's music doesn't mean i automatically agree with
their beliefs. one of my favorite bands is eden burning who happen to be
christians and that is interwoven throughout their music, but not in a
particularly blatant way. i'm for all intents and purposes an atheist, but
good music is good music is good music.


amy and emily (and a whole lot of other people i happen to like) are
supporters of the free mumia campaign. i'm totally convinced that mumia
abu-jamal is a guilty motherf*cker who deserves to rot in jail for the rest
of his natural-born life (because i'm anti-death penalty). does that really
impact me when i listen to "ghost"? does buying "swamp ophelia" equate to an
endorsement of all that the indigo girls stand for?


not that it's necessarily a bad thing to discuss any of this stuff here, but
for every ig song about politics there's five about love. on this list that
proportion is reversed :)


neil
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the washington post has an interesting article in their supplement to the=
war news (as if we lacked coverage of this (adjective deleted) event).


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/a49015-2003mar29.html

the highlight is a quote from a nyc resident: =20


<<yvette georges deeton is asked about the war in the courtyard of p.s. 2=
32 on chambers street. the late-march sun feels pleasant on the face, and=
dea, her 6-year-old daughter, is eager to get to the playground. she tar=
ries to talk war.
"bush is fighting this war for himself and his daddy," deeton offered. "a=
ll these boys are going to die for him and his stupid obsessions.">>
go yvette!! :)  =20
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> your comment speaks exactly to my question that no one will answer:  if
> you don't like politics, or the particular politics of the indigo girls,
> why do you support them by buying cds and subbing to a list about their
> (very political) music?  i really am truly interested in how someone may
> compartmentalize this contradiction.  because the indigo girls absolutely
> are always very outspoken about the causes they support--intellectually,
> musically and financially.  i have argued before and i will argue again,
> that a list dedicated to the indigo girls is a list dedicated to their
> politics because to separate the two is false and disrespectful.  i find
> it funny that we are constantly asked to "sanitize" discussions that are
> so obviously relevant (and important) to ig.  furthermore, i don't think
> that the recent posts indicating opposition to the war have been
> inflammatory or overly verbose.  the opposite really.
>
> g


i don't understand the need to agree with the ig's politics in order to love
them or their music.  i most certainly disagree with much of their politics,
but i don't let it get in the way of appreciating their art.  i have no idea
what the political views are of most of the musicians i listen to and
couldn't care less.


do you apply this same standard to all the music you listen to?  how about
other people you deal with in your daily life?  does the guy you buy your
gas from have to share your politics?  how about your grocery store,
plumber, electric company?


btw, i welcome and enjoy the off topic discussions.  it keeps things lively.


dave....who loves the 'girls music, not their politics


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just got home from the asheville show and the s.a.n.t.a. benefit show in
atlanta. both were fun. amy and the butchies played the typical set-
johnny rottentail, dairy queen, laramie, lucystoners, measure of
me...etc. and ended with refugee as usual. the butchies and 1945 both
played sets as well. my husband recorded the show so if it turns out
well we'll offer it up here soon......the santa show consisted of
michelle malone with band, 1945, and group sex with amy and emily
filling in during different songs. emily showed she could "get her
groove on" on the dance floor during "play that funky music whiteboy".
carol isaacs also played with group sex adding a little extra with the
keyboards on van halens "jump" and princes "lets go crazy" among others.
amy played late bloom with 1945.
sorry, not much of a review but i'm tired.
shawnie


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thanks neil and dave,


i don't think i was being inflammatory or trying to ignite "controversy"
per se... this is just a very interesting question to me.


it's just that *i* would never give money to a band with politics that i
don't agree with, especially if i knew that part of the money would be
going to a particular cause or charity.  this is the reason i have refused
to buy the cranberries cds.


i do think that way more of the songs are political than you do,
particularly the love songs since they are lesbians after all.  in this
postmodern age we can *read* the songs any way we want to.  but it doesn't
change the fact that they sing about politics, they talk about politics on
stage, they invite political groups to their concerts (i myself have set
up the moratorium campaign table at an ig show), they talk about politics
in interviews, the banner on the website flashes activism alerts,
they embody politics in their relationships, etc., etc.  it would be
really nice if love had nothing to do with politics, but in this society
it does.


also, if people don't like the posts, there is the delete button--as the
old, cliched saying goes.  this list is pretty quiet most of the time, so
i rather enjoy a good discussion.  also, i know that it may be tedious to
see and hear and read about the war everywhere (i can empathize).  but
another part of me feels like we are so incredibly privileged to be able
to "turn off" the war as if it were only a tv show.  i can't help but
think about the innocent people who can't turn it off, but must deal with
the fear of death in their lives everyday.


> do you apply this same standard to all the music you listen to?  how about
> other people you deal with in your daily life?  does the guy you buy your
> gas from have to share your politics?  how about your grocery store,
> plumber, electric company?


as much as i can, i don't give my money to people whose politics i
disagree with.  this is the case for musicians in particular, as i noted
above.  since i live in a relatively liberal area, it is easier for me to
discern the political views of shopkeepers and business owners, i
suppose...  there is a local restaurant i stopped patronizing when i saw
their logo in an ad supporting one of those anti-choice pregnancy crisis
centers.


but *you* don't mind the fact that part of the money from a cd
or a concert ticket may be supporting something you disagree with?  and it
is interesting that you can ignore ig's political views since they are so
outspoken about them (huge mock nuke outside the concert venue, e.g.).


the implication that if i don't apply exactly the same standard to
everything in my life, then my point is meaningless is a common one.
however i know that it would be impossible to live in this society and
never live with contradiction.


thanks for responding,


g.


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just out of curiosity...what do the cranberries support/not support?
garian <vigil@ucsu.colorado.edu> wrote:thanks neil and dave,


i don't think i was being inflammatory or trying to ignite "controversy"
per se... this is just a very interesting question to me.


it's just that *i* would never give money to a band with politics that i
don't agree with, especially if i knew that part of the money would be
going to a particular cause or charity. this is the reason i have refused
to buy the cranberries cds.


i do think that way more of the songs are political than you do,
particularly the love songs since they are lesbians after all. in this
postmodern age we can *read* the songs any way we want to. but it doesn't
change the fact that they sing about politics, they talk about politics on
stage, they invite political groups to their concerts (i myself have set
up the moratorium campaign table at an ig show), they talk about politics
in interviews, the banner on the website flashes activism alerts,
they embody politics in their relationships, etc., etc. it would be
really nice if love had nothing to do with politics, but in this society
it does.


also, if people don't like the posts, there is the delete button--as the
old, cliched saying goes. this list is pretty quiet most of the time, so
i rather enjoy a good discussion. also, i know that it may be tedious to
see and hear and read about the war everywhere (i can empathize). but
another part of me feels like we are so incredibly privileged to be able
to "turn off" the war as if it were only a tv show. i can't help but
think about the innocent people who can't turn it off, but must deal with
the fear of death in their lives everyday.


> do you apply this same standard to all the music you listen to? how about
> other people you deal with in your daily life? does the guy you buy your
> gas from have to share your politics? how about your grocery store,
> plumber, electric company?


as much as i can, i don't give my money to people whose politics i
disagree with. this is the case for musicians in particular, as i noted
above. since i live in a relatively liberal area, it is easier for me to
discern the political views of shopkeepers and business owners, i
suppose... there is a local restaurant i stopped patronizing when i saw
their logo in an ad supporting one of those anti-choice pregnancy crisis
centers.


but *you* don't mind the fact that part of the money from a cd
or a concert ticket may be supporting something you disagree with? and it
is interesting that you can ignore ig's political views since they are so
outspoken about them (huge mock nuke outside the concert venue, e.g.).


the implication that if i don't apply exactly the same standard to
everything in my life, then my point is meaningless is a common one.
however i know that it would be impossible to live in this society and
never live with contradiction.


thanks for responding,


g.


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they used to be on the rockforlife.org site as a supporter.
interestingly, i don't see them listed anymore...

on sun, 30 mar 2003, shelley o'bar wrote:


>
> just out of curiosity...what do the cranberries support/not support?


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wow...didn't even know there was such an organization...that would influence
my purchasing decision as well...
thanks for the info


"well the world seems spent and the president has no good idea of who the
masses are. well i'm one of them and i'm among friends, we're trying to see
beyond the fences in our own back yards. i've seen the kingdoms blow like
ashes in the winds of change, but the power of truth is the fuel for the
flame. so the darker the ages get, there's a stronger beacon yet....let it
be me."
-emily saliers


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>date: sun, 30 mar 2003 12:55:03 -0700
>
>they used to be on the rockforlife.org site as a supporter.
>interestingly, i don't see them listed anymore...
>
>
>on sun, 30 mar 2003, shelley o'bar wrote:
>
> >
> > just out of curiosity...what do the cranberries support/not support?
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in a message dated 3/30/03 2:38:14 pm eastern standard time,
shawnie@charter.net writes:


> sorry, not much of a review but i'm tired.
> shawnie
>
>
this was a good review for me who couldn't be there...thanks for bringing the
music back to life here.


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opposed


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as far as not buying an artist concerting their political background...


would you rather have the artist completely shut up about their political
views (ex: cranberries) and listen to their music in unknowingly...?


or have them be able to voice what they believe in and respect them for the
act of standing up for what they believe in no matter if it is your opinion
or not...


no, i don't necessarily agree with everything the indigo girls support, but
there is always one thing i agree with: standing up for what you believe
in...


i am not soooooooo self-opinionated that i can't recognize someone empowered
by their own voice... even if i don't agree with it... and i am not going to
only listen to things that i totally agree with...  or i would be surounded
by a whole bunch of me's.


it's empoering to see someone confidenct and pround of what they believe in..
like ig.. that is why i love them...


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i love the ig and most of their political beiefs - but there is no way i
would not listen to a band just because i disagreed with their beliefs on
an issue - i have had long letters and dialogue with another celeb over
some issues he supports - and i educated him - he educated me - we came to
an understanding - i mean i have to agree with ryan - if i only listen to
bands that i agreed with - i would be listening to people exactly that
think like me - with is very boring, i like being challenged on my core
beliefs - it makes you know your arguments real well


my .02


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in the midst of my skimming, i must have missed the beliefs of the
cranberries...what is it?


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i'm so excited!  i got everybody all worked up!  :-)


most of what i would have said was pretty much said by neil.  bottom
line for me is this:  i subscribed to the indigo girls list because i
want to talk about the indigo girls.  i'm sorry, but joe asking the
question "are you pro war or opposed?" has nothing to do with indigo
girls.   i think i read somewhere that amy ray likes cheddar cheese.
can i just find out right now, how many people are pro cheddar or
anti cheddar?  i mean, amy has an opinion on it, can't we discuss it
here?


i fully support amy and emily's right to have activism be a big part
of their music.  but that doesn't mean i have to pay attention to it
or make it an active part of my listening experience.  neil said it
best: good music is good music is good music.


>but *you* don't mind the fact that part of the money from a cd
>or a concert ticket may be supporting something you disagree with?


for the most part, no.  extreme cases like "the proceeds from become
you will go to the neo nazi party" is an exception.  :-)  amy and
emily are entertainers.  i buy their stuff because they entertain me
(and in this case, i'm using "entertain" as a pretty vague term, but
you can imagine what that encompasses).  everyone is entitled to
their opinion.  what i like about amy and emily is that most of the
time, they manage to make their points without shoving it down my
throat.  if they got to the point where i couldn't listen to their
music without them forcing their views on me, then i'd probably stop
listening.  i think amy and emily realize that some people really
love their sense of activism, and some people just like the way they
write music.  i'm the latter, and i don't think they would think any
less of me for that.


>  and it
>is interesting that you can ignore ig's political views since they are so
>outspoken about them (huge mock nuke outside the concert venue, e.g.).


not a problem, my friend.  again, i like the way a g chord sounds
next to a c chord, and for me, that's why i started listening in the
first place and why i continue to listen today.


on the topic of off-topic discussions, which is what i originally
mentioned in the first place:  first off, yes, i was half-joking.
(only half, because the list really had very little ig content
yesterday and the day before).  i like to bring levity to the table.
;-)  second off, yes, most of the time, i hit "page down" or
"delete."  but a million e-mails that just say "pro!"  or "opposed!"
is a waste of my time.  it's like reading three million "me too"
e-mails.  not necessary.


from the faq i received when i joined this list, two points.


"this does not mean that off-topic discussion is not welcome on the
list.  however, please limit discussion to subjects that have some
relevance to the music of the indigo girls."


now we have to think about how relevant this is to indigo girls
music.  i don't find it very relevant.  if you do, that's fine.
second point.


"17) may i conduct surveys over the list?
if you want to conduct any kind of survey over the list, you should
present your idea to the list and ask people to send their responses
to you via private email.  you can then compile the data and post
the results to the list at a later date."


hmmm......


you know, my friend who runs a list for the who has a separate list
called "whofans" where people on the main list can discuss politics
or pretty much anything that runs across their minds.  but that way,
they are sharing that discussion with other like-minded individuals
who are interested in off-topic discussions.  is it really fair to
the hundreds (thousands??) of people subscribed to this list to find
out more about the indigo girls that they have to listen to war
debate?  it'd be great if there was an option like this for ig fans
(not that i'm asking our wonderful listowner to create more work).
last i checked, there was an "activism" board on ig's website, as
well as the "fushda" board for, well...anything (and it's the most
active board on the site!).


all i'm saying is that (wait, what was i saying?)...there's a place
for everything.  i just don't necessarily feel the main indigo girls
list is a place for political discussion about the war.  that's not
what i signed up for.  but if the overwhelming majority (and jen
lucero) feel that it's what everybody wants to talk about, then i'll
shut up and just skip the stuff i don't want to read.


again, i only mentioned it at first because i was making a joke.  :-)


jason (pro cheddar, but more of a monterey jack fan.  any jack fans
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jason hare wrote:


> i'm so excited!  i got everybody all worked up!  :-)   i think i read
> somewhere that amy ray likes cheddar cheese.
> can i just find out right now, how many people are pro cheddar or
> anti cheddar?  i mean, amy has an opinion on it, can't we discuss it
> here?

mild or sharp?  ;-)


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my .02...


while i wholeheartedly support anyone's right to
speak out politically and socially for or against
any issue that they deem important, i have always
felt that doing so from a stage, or on the air,
or in earshot of any audience who has gathered
for a different reason, to be a complete and
total abuse of being a celebrity.


it used to be, that ig would only speak politics
at a concert if it was a benefit or an hte show,
and i thought that was perfectly reasonable.  but
when they, or any other 'celebrities' start
spouting politics from the stage, when i paid to
hear their music, i feel gypped and/or insulted.


just because someone is in front of a mic,
doesn't make them an expert on a political issue.
and whether i agree with the person or not, i
still feel it's the wrong place to 'stand up for
what you believe in'.  go ahead and stand up on
your own time, not the time i've paid for.  i'm
not stupid, and i can form my own opinion without
a musician/singer/actor telling me how i should
think why - because they're good at
acting/singing/playing guitar?  that makes no
sense.


even the info tables aren't intrusive - i mean, i
can ignore those or not, if i want to look i
will, and if not, i can walk by, but i shouldn't
have to listen to a rant about something for
which the majority of the audience has already
formed an opinion about.  besides the fact that
even if your opinion is in the majority, it's
wrong to alienate part of your audience when
they've paid to come see you.


anyhow - i know many of you will disagree with
me, but that's how i feel about it.


-t.


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howdee all - here's the lowdown on the birthday listees for this week!


march 31
lindystar2@aol.com (casey foulks)

april 6
heidid4660@aol.com (heidi)
"a key to a room of your own and a mind without end..."

well that was easy! :)  make sure to wish them well, all!


love and devotion
audra
bge :)

"when i say 'i will be true to you' i am drawing a quiet space
beyond the reach of other desires.  no-one can legislate love;
it cannot be given orders or cajoled into service.  love belongs
to itself, deaf to pleading and unmoved by violence.  love is
not something you can negotiate.  love is the one thing stronger
than desire and the only proper reason to resist temptation."
         -- jeanette winterson, _written on the body_ (p. 77-78)


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garian asked:


> if
> you don't like politics, or the particular politics of the indigo girls,
> why do you support them by buying cds and subbing to a list about their
> (very political) music?


to which dave replied:


> i don't understand the need to agree with the ig's politics in order to love
> them or their music.  i most certainly disagree with much of their politics,
> but i don't let it get in the way of appreciating their art.


to which jason replied:


> extreme cases like "the proceeds from become
> you will go to the neo nazi party" is an exception.


i like this discussion and do feel much of it is igc.  the above points are
good ones.  in a way i agree with everyone.  i even agree with tara who
talked about being annoyed when musicians take their politics on stage.  i
liked ig concerts much more when they were just that...musical concerts.  i
also listen to ig for their music and could care less about their politics.
i do admire the use of one's celebrity status to promote a cause...but keep
it off the stage or have a benefit tour like hte that can focus on your
beliefs.


i think the key here is that every individual has to pick and choose what
they are willing to support and not support.  obviously i'd be less likely
to support a musician or a company that assisted in supplying n korea with
nukes or something obvious.  but after that, it's to each their own.  a few
years back, i stopped eating wendy's when they backed out of the ellen
coming out episode.  i did it for a year, felt i made a personal statement
and am enjoying biggie fries again now.  i recently discovered that the
domino's pizza ceo is a huge pro-life/religious donor.  do i still eat
domino's?--yes.  i delivered for them for years and am grateful to the
company for getting me through grad school.  for me, homophobia is a huge
deal.  abortion stance is important to me but not something i'm going to
change my purchasing decisions over.  you can't do everything.  i have
republican friends who i disagree with regularly but we are still friends.


amy and emily are clearly anti-war.  i do grumble a bit as i see their
activism banner scroll across their website.  maybe i'm wrong but i don't
think most people logged onto their site to read up on activism.  some time
ago i had issues with their playing at mwmf or on an olivia cruise.  but i
still see them in concert and will still buy their cd's as they are surely
entitled to do what they please.  so i think there's no right or wrong here.
it just depends on how each individual forms their support/purchasing
decisions.  for me it's about the music and until ig become skinheads, i'll
keep listenin...can't wait to see em in chicago next week!--greg


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<<i don't think most people logged onto their  site to read up on
activism.>> (emphasis on "most people" mine not greg's)


i do......well sort  of i log onto see their announcements and the bbs.
i may not be in the majority, but my name isn't "most people."


second, i don't see that having an activism button, and a news button as
pressing one's opinion onto others because nobody requires anyone to
click on them. to someone who doesn't get into the girls' politics,
having those buttons on there might say,"hey everyone! we're activists!
see?"


but i for one am glad that they became more political over the years
(and that those buttons are there for me to access should i need them)
it helped me grow in so many ways.


on the subject of hte 1995 amy said she'd found her "niche," as far as
activism went, and i am glad she did, it's helped so many people who
wouldn't have a voice.


just my .02 worth......oh and this has been a very good discussion....i
hope it stays that way.


peace
barb


stop the war on iraqi people! finding a peaceful solution does not
involve doing nothing.


ffi  www.internationalanswer.org  and
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i went, it was fabulous!  it's a really beautiful venue.  as a matter of
fact, when we saw them in bloomington in february we stayed after for
autographs and pictures and such.  i asked amy if they would return to
the biltmore because it was one of my favorite shows and she didn't
think they would (at the time).  she said they'd be too busy in the
studio.  i like to think it was my official request that got them to go
there again:).  karen


>>> nichole livengood <niclive@bellsouth.net> 03/28/03 09:14pm >>>
i called biltmore estate this am to find out about tickets...when they
will go on sale.  sometime in june.  jfyi.  did anyone go to this last
year?
nichole


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in a message dated 3/30/03 11:51:19 pm eastern standard time,
dweiden@ix.netcom.com writes:


> amy has an opinion on it, can't we discuss it
> >here?
>
>
>


sharp      = )


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on sun, 30 mar 2003, jason hare wrote:


>
> you know, my friend who runs a list for the who has a separate list
> called "whofans" where people on the main list can discuss politics
> or pretty much anything that runs across their minds.  but that way,
> they are sharing that discussion with other like-minded individuals
> who are interested in off-topic discussions.  is it really fair to
> the hundreds (thousands??) of people subscribed to this list to find
> out more about the indigo girls that they have to listen to war
> debate?  it'd be great if there was an option like this for ig fans
> (not that i'm asking our wonderful listowner to create more work).
> last i checked, there was an "activism" board on ig's website, as
> well as the "fushda" board for, well...anything (and it's the most
> active board on the site!).
>


jason, we do have this option.  this email list is for any conversation,
while the news only list is for people who only want to hear about shows
and tickets sales and cd giveaways and the like.


g.


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just a brief note from a usual lurker...


i'm enjoying this discussion. the intersect between art and everything else is a tricky matter.


a particularly unpleasant example: wasn't it ezra pound who was a supporter of facism?  it didn't alter the fact that he was a great poet. still is.  and hemmingway was less than enlightened when it came to gender issues and relationships... still...


on the other hand, it's clearly the case from their lyrics, their chatter between songs on stage and their websites (both daemon and the big commercial one), the girls subscribe to a certain set of political perspectives and one of the reasons their music has moved right in on me is because i share those.


i'm glad they're loud and proud about a lot more than being out.


cheers to all.
peace.
kristen


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well, my opinion is two sided.  i am pro for all those soldiers who are out
there just doing their job.  all those people who will die because they were
told to.
i am opposed to the war and the way gw has been handling this.


-mi rinda


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how many members do we have on this list?


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never mind.  i am stupid today and posted before i did any researching.
i went to netspace.org and found out that we have 454 subscribers to this
list.
:)
mi rinda


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how many members do we have on this list?


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during this discussion, someone (was it neil?) mentioned that faye
tucker could be seen as either for or against the death penalty.  with
lines like, "that's why killing don't pay," and "well mercy could prove
us, but nothing would move us, to rise above just being cruel," i always
thought it was unquestionably a song about opposition to the death
penalty.  however, i'd be very interested in reading about how the song
could be interpreted as being for the death penalty...anyone???


joy:-d


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i always thought faye tucker was pretty clearly anti-death penalty.  but i
do thing some of the phrases, like "that's why killing don't pay" are meant
tongue-in-cheek...playing on the fact that murder is what got tucker on
death row, and that capital punishment is just a fancy word for murder, so
that gov. bush was really as much of a murderer as karla faye tucker was.


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>i think you could apply those same lines not only to the prosecution
(i.e.
>the prison or the authorities imposing a death sentence) as well as the
>"criminal" perpetrating the crime.  you could tell the criminal "that's
why
>killin' don't pay", "well mercy could prove us, but nothing would move
us,
>to rise above just being cruel".  the criminal could have been
merciful, >but instead chose to be cruel.


well, right, but even when those lines are taken that way (and maybe
they were intended to have that double meaning), it doesn't suggest that
the death penalty is the appropriate punishment, it just says that what
the criminal did was wrong.  which i think everyone, for or against the
death penalty, would agree with.  to me, in order for the song to be for
the death penalty, there would have to be some sort of indication that
killing the criminal was the right thing to do.  i think that a case can
be made that the lyrics indicate that killing the criminal is not the
right thing to do, but i cannot see how the opposite view can be
supported....


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was and still is!


-bon


on mon, 31 mar 2003, <victoria heckler> wrote:


> that gov. bush was really as much of a murderer as karla faye tucker was.


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i'm not looking to leap wholly into this discussion, but i would like to make the point that nearly everybody in this debate is treating the concept of 'politics' as if it were a separate entity from other bits of life.  'politics' are not in the least like cheese, a take-or-leave situation.  politics are the decisions each and every day, made either by us, our leaders, or hopefully both, that impact our lives.  whether we would like to be involved in organized politics with a capital p (or d or r or i or g) is our choice, but the idea that 'politics' are just another choice on the menu of conversation topics is false and dangerous.


ignorance or denial of this does not negate the truth of it.  a salient example: whether you agree, disagree, or are even paying attention, you are most likely paying a significant sum of money for this war. last i heard, 75 billion dollars is what we're collectively putting towards it - each taxpayer a little bit of that money.  that's 'politics', and it also is undeniably part of our lives.  and that's the very least of it.


at any rate, i'm back to traveling to georgia to see the longleaf pines.  i would suggest the book 'ecology of a cracker childhood' by janisse ray to anyone who wants to know more about the natural world of a&e's home state.  or about how it was largely destroyed by the logging industry.  whoops, i guess that's 'politics'.  i better shut up now.


free speech to all, and to all, a good night.
lisa


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my guess is that since the ig are very outspoken against the death penalty that this song is most certainly speaking out against the death penalty.
joy <neversaythat@starstream.net> wrote:during this discussion, someone (was it neil?) mentioned that faye
tucker could be seen as either for or against the death penalty. with
lines like, "that's why killing don't pay," and "well mercy could prove
us, but nothing would move us, to rise above just being cruel," i always
thought it was unquestionably a song about opposition to the death
penalty. however, i'd be very interested in reading about how the song
could be interpreted as being for the death penalty...anyone???


joy:-d


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hi all,


don't know why i suddenly feel compelled to post about this, but hey i am.


i don't think that those of us who would like to leave politics off of this
list, are doing it because of ignorance or denial.  i for listen to politics
and news on the war daily and like to come here to hear about music and the
indigo girls and maybe even learn of some new bands that i should give a
listen to.  that is why i signed on here.  i don't think i am being
presumptuous in saying that most of us are here for that reason.  i
understand that when something big is going on in the world, there is bound
to be something said about it here and i just think that those who want to
discuss it in more detail could certainly take it to private email, that
doesn't seem like alot to ask.  it is great to meet so many people that you
have so much in common with and that leads to discussion.


this is a nice refuge from other things going on in the world sometimes.  i
would love to keep it that way.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


on another note.  i have sent out the majority of b&ps & trades for the st.
louis pageant show, 02/12/03.  i hope you all enjoy.  if anyone is
interested in the show i am still taking trades and b&ps on it, just shoot
me an email privately.


also, is it true, we only have 454 subscribers?  wasn't it almost double
that a few years ago?


traci


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only 404?  what the hell happened to this group?


geez...


remember when there was membership in 4-digits....


ta.


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in a message dated 3/31/03 3:26:37 pm eastern standard time,
n_d_go_grl@hotmail.com writes:


> this is a nice refuge from other things going on in the world sometimes.  i
> would love to keep it that way.
>
>


here here!!!  i cant stand it any more...don't let the music die!  i just
want to hear a little more about the reviews of the shows lately.


being in ny, i hear there have been some wonderful shows lately, but we're
not hearing about them!  i just got into ig this past year...no i wasnt
living under a rock, but my life was very complicated with a dying father,
girlfriend, and adopted grandparents.  i am finally at a time in my life
where my responsibilities are lessening and i can live for me!  imagine that!
now, i have been turned on to the wonderful world of ig, kristen hall,
michelle malone, wendy bucklew, jennifer nettles and other wonderful indie
artist...i want to learn more!  please, let's talk a little more about the
music...as someone who lived thru 9/11 here in ny, i really can take any
more...


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hey...


<<someone (was it neil?) mentioned that faye tucker could be seen as either
for or against the death penalty.>>


sure - it's a song about the person(s), it's not making a direct comment
about the death penalty.


when indigo girls sing it it's taken as an anti-death penalty song because
they're anti-death penalty, and because i'm sure that's how it was written.


if you look at it from the viewpoint of celebrating the execution and at the
same time being indifferent to her fate, the song takes on a whole new
meaning.


"you say you're reborn, but it's all just for scorn,
and that's what you'll take to the grave"


and whatever happens to her, she's doomed - "that's why killing don't pay"


it's a dark, dark song. i think it works both ways.


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hkf's,


recently someone posted these lyrics from 'let it be me' a song i skip from time to time,(i blame proxemity to 'airplane' for that) but do love.
"well the world seems spent and the president has no good idea of who the masses are. well i'm one of them and i'm among friends, we're trying to see beyond the fences in our own back yards. i've seen the kingdoms blow like ashes in the winds of change, but the power of truth is the fuel for the
flame. so the darker the ages get, there's a stronger beacon yet....let it be me."
-emily saliers

well, as i read and re-read the words, the 1st line not withstanding, this song, is perfect for those who support the war and/or the troops.


i think seeing beyond the fences would have us seeing into the backyard of a neighbor who is doing some really, really bad stuff in their yard, and it's the truth of how wrong what they are doing that fules the flame for action against what is being done by my neighbor.


indeed america saw what was going on and said it needs to stop! so "let it be me"


joe
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i'm sorry, but joe asking the
question "are you pro war or opposed?" has nothing to do with indigo
girls.   i think i read somewhere that amy ray likes cheddar cheese.
can i just find out right now, how many people are pro cheddar or
anti cheddar?  i mean, amy has an opinion on it, can't we discuss it
here?

so then jason eats ritz crackers with war on top?


....i'm sure amy has an opinon about the war just as she does cheese.


did you make a point? or was it just a failed attempt to insult?


i hope america wins the mozellera against iraq


joe
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actually, i believe that ig has started singing "let it be me" at some of the
latest shows as a song for peace.  i really don't see this song as a "support
the troops" type song.  i see it as a call for peace type of a song.  sorry.

peace
sandy


in a message dated 3/31/2003 5:23:08 pm eastern standard time,
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> well, as i read and re-read the words, the 1st line not withstanding, this
> song, is perfect for those who support the war and/or the troops.
>
> i think seeing beyond the fences would have us seeing into the backyard of
> a neighbor who is doing some really, really bad stuff in their yard, and
> it's the truth of how wrong what they are doing that fules the flame for
> action against what is being done by my neighbor.
>
> indeed america saw what was going on and said it needs to stop! so "let it
> be me"
>


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joe said:
> well, as i read and re-read the words ... this
> song is perfect for those who support the war and/or the troops.

but how about  ...


"this is not a fighting song
not a wrong for a wrong"


fighting is not the solution. negativity and violence just breeds more of
the same.


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>>> but when 'celebrities' start spouting politics from the stage, when i paid to hear their music, i feel gypped and/or insulted.

just because someone is in front of a mic,
doesn't make them an expert on a political issue>>>


simply put....


tara rules!!!


joe
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well, for more reasons than i can even name,  amy & emily come first for =
me hands down, period.    other favorites (in addition to the bagel gals =
list) are:  tracy nelson, lou ann barton, lucinda williams, roseanne =
cash


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i think that while the girls and the song are anti-death penalty, there's
more to it than that. i think it's an exploration of all the issues surrounding
the case and a critique of the people involved. the minister and the
governor each have their own advancement in mind and have forgotten
the person involved - this is why "killing don't pay" because either way
karla has lost determination over her life. and as far as "rise above just
being cruel" i think that alludes to the anti-death penalty sentiment that
when we kill murderers we are no better than they are.


-jenna


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those that i carry with me daily aside from ig


michelle malone
no doubt
alanis morisette
murmurs


guilty pleasure
christina aguilera - i know, i know................but you gotta admit, the
girl has got some lungs

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this song is compleatly anti-death penatly.


i personaly can't see how it isn't.


and to link it to a previous thread..... i stil bought the cd even though i am pro-capital punishment


joe
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>
> just because someone is in front of a mic,
> doesn't make them an expert on a political issue>>>
>
but it doesn't mean they *aren't* experts, either.  just because someone
is in front of a mic doesn't make them ignorant or stupid nor take away
the right to express their opinions.  everyone has the ability to read and
be educated, even if they are famous.  if you don't like the opinions
expressed, you don't have to buy the cd or attend the concert, like i was
saying before.  even though people are saying that politics don't matter
to them when buying music, there sure does seem to be something important
there.  otherwise, we wouldn't see posts like that above.


i have had this little newspaper clipping on my fridge for about three or
four years now.  it has amy's picture and this quote, apropos here:  "it
gets old to people, huh?  they go, 'there's the indigo girls again.  they
can't just do the music can they?'  it's like we've got 'political
lesbians' stamped on our foreheads."


so for people who don't take politics into account when buying music, how
much money would an artist have to donate to a cause you disagreed with
before you stopped giving them money?  just curious...


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did anyone record this show from this weekend?

life's like a bag of beads, the possibilities are endless....
www.trinketsoftemptation.com


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catherine said:


but how about  ...


"this is not a fighting song
not a wrong for a wrong"


fighting is not the solution. negativity and violence just breeds more of
the same. "


after i posted my email, i said "i know someone is going to post the very next lyrics"...and that's what happened.


i know the song 'is' anti-war, but in the phrase i re-posted, it is easy to see it the other way.


as for violence breeding the same.... lying back and just 'taking it' sure as heck don't solve nuthin' either.


joe
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----- original message -----
from: joe agueci <sprdinosur@aol.com>
well i'm one of them and i'm among friends, we're trying to see beyond the
fences in our own back yards. i've seen the kingdoms blow like ashes in the
winds of change, but the power of truth is the fuel for the
> flame. so the darker the ages get, there's a stronger beacon yet....let it
be me."
> -emily saliers
>
> i think seeing beyond the fences would have us seeing into the backyard of
a neighbor who is doing some really, really bad stuff in their yard, and
it's the truth of how wrong what they are doing that fules the flame for
action against what is being done by my neighbor.
>
> indeed america saw what was going on and said it needs to stop! so "let it
be me"


what a great nation to say nothing when saddam kills 5.000 kurds with
american delivered wmd. but wait back then he was the good guy and iran was
the bad guy.


if the us government indeed see beyond the fences they will see that they
destabilize a whole region, gives the terrorists more reason to hate the
western civilisation and brings former non-fumamentalists to terroristic
organisations. oh and how about rumsfeld being surprised that the iraqis
fight back????


the last war the us fought that brought peace was wwii.


ines


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in a message dated 3/31/2003 5:53:17 pm eastern standard time, sprdinosur writes:


> i know the song 'is' anti-war, but in the phrase i
> re-posted, it is easy to see it the other way.


sorry, but i disagree.  i see the entire song as anti-war.  even taken out of context, i can not see it the other way.


funny that y'all are bringing "let it be me" up... that happens to be the very song that i have quoted on my anti-war protest sign that i have had with me at all of the protests since september.  ;)


:-) karen


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>those that i carry with me daily aside from ig
>
>michelle malone
>no doubt
>alanis morisette
>murmurs
>
>guilty pleasure
>christina aguilera - i know, i know................but you gotta admit, the
>girl has got some lungs
>
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i love the indigo girls but i also love dance/electronica music.
ladytron
royksopp
daddy dj
joni mitchell
innocence mission
murmurs

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>>date: mon, 31 mar 2003 16:42:28 -0600
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>>those that i carry with me daily aside from ig
>>
>>michelle malone
>>no doubt
>>alanis morisette
>>murmurs
>>
>>guilty pleasure
>>christina aguilera - i know, i know................but you gotta admit,
>>the
>>girl has got some lungs
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it is really very simple.


only fools truly desire war.  that does not change the fact that there are
times when people are forced into a situation where war is the desirable
solution.  history has taught us that time and time again.  diplomacy only
works when both sides are open to diplomatic agreements and solutions, and
as much as people might not want to admit it ... there is a time for war.


every person on this planet has a point at which they will make the decision
to either a) decide flatly to accept their fate without fighting back or b)
fight back.  it's a fact of life, all life (not just humans).


the point people end up arguing over comes down simply to a matter of
degree.  when does one decide to fight?


if someone gave you a verbal assault, would you fight back?  even if it was
just a verbal assault back at them?  if someone pushed you to the ground,
would you stand up and fight back?  even if only to push them back?  if
someone punched you squarely in the face, would you recover and fight back?
if someone came at you with a baseball bat, would you then fight back?


what would it take?  would your life have to be on the line?  would your
honor have to be on the line?  what if it was your mate's life or honor?  do
the same standards apply for both you *and* those you care about?  what if
it was your son or daughter?  what if it wasn't the first time it had
happened?  suppose a recurring situation existed over time?  would the same
single action trigger identical responses given the time and events
inbetween?


everyone has a point at which they will either give up or decide to fight
back.


in this case, the coalition decided that iraq was being unreasonable and
diplomacy had failed.  they were in possession of facts which indicated to
them that war was the desirable solution in this case.  the line was drawn
and they comitted themselves to that end.  i do not for a second believe
that it was done due to president bush's whims or anything trivial.  i
believe there are enough minds working on this that the solution was arrived
at through reason and not passion.


regardless, there's nothing to be done about it now.  arguing, bickering,
debating, it's all fun and educational and enjoyable and whatever else you
want to ascribe to it, but in this venue it's also meaningless.  nothing we
do or say here will change what's happening.  and, in my experience, the ig
list contains many activists on a wide range of beliefs.  we all cling to
what we want to from a&e.


the best thing i'm willing to do for our troops and our government is to
support them now, now that those in power have made their decision and the
war is a going concern.  i could indicate my distaste for the war (if i felt
that way) and let my congressman know about my feelings, go to anti-war
rallies, etc., but i would still support our troops because i want them to
come home safely.  they are, after all, americans just like many of us on
this list.


they are our brothers and sisters and neighbors and they deserve our full
support.


- rick c. hodgin


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heyhey...


<<so for people who don't take politics into account when buying music, how
much money would an artist have to donate to a cause you disagreed with
before you stopped giving them money?>>


that's a bit of a loaded question - why not ask if i still beat my wife? :)


when i buy a cd or a concert ticket i'm paying for entertainment - nothing
more. if the artist happens to make me think it's always a welcome bonus. if
i want to use my money to make a political statement i'll give it directly
to the causes i support, cut out all the middlefolk and make more of a
difference.


what an artist chooses to do with their hard-earned income is really nothing
to do with me - similarly what i choose to spend my money on is nothing to
do with ~my~ employer. if the artist happens to be a raging nazi, chances
are it'll be more than apparent in their work and i'll not be entertained as
much in the first place.


if i had to agree with the all the personal/political views of the people in
my cd collection i wouldn't have any cds left!


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rick said:
> everyone has a point at which they will either give up or decide to fight
> back.


with the extreme exception of complete pacifists.  agreed.


> then he said:
> in this case, the coalition decided that iraq was being unreasonable and
> diplomacy had failed.  they were in possession of facts which indicated to
> them that war was the desirable solution in this case.  the line was drawn
> and they comitted themselves to that end.  i do not for a second believe
> that it was done due to president bush's whims or anything trivial.  i
> believe there are enough minds working on this that the solution was
> arrived
> at through reason and not passion.


a-ha!  but this is the problem.  the "coalition," unlike in '91, is a very,
very slight one.  the vast majority of world opinion is against this us
invasion of iraq.  we (the us) did not effectively build coalition or exhaust
diplomatic options.


> then rick said:
> the best thing i'm willing to do for our troops and our government is to
> support them now, now that those in power have made their decision and the
> war is a going concern.  i could indicate my distaste for the war (if i
> felt
> that way) and let my congressman know about my feelings, go to anti-war
> rallies, etc., but i would still support our troops because i want them to
> come home safely.  they are, after all, americans just like many of us on
> this list.
>
> they are our brothers and sisters and neighbors and they deserve our full
> support.


absolutely agreed.  i think one of the valuable lessons learned from vietnam
was to separate being anti-war from being unsupportive of the working people
in the military.


lauren


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i don't agree, neil.  like you, i go to hundreds of shows, and i have a cd
collection of 1600 (legit, not pirates).  i certainly don't know everything
about everyone, but i am mindful of how i spend my money.  i don't support
the stones or eminem or guns 'n roses, regardless of how talented they might
be.


lauren

> when i buy a cd or a concert ticket i'm paying for entertainment - nothing
> more. if the artist happens to make me think it's always a welcome bonus.
> if
> i want to use my money to make a political statement i'll give it directly
> to the causes i support, cut out all the middlefolk and make more of a
> difference.
>
> what an artist chooses to do with their hard-earned income is really
> nothing
> to do with me - similarly what i choose to spend my money on is nothing to
> do with ~my~ employer. if the artist happens to be a raging nazi, chances
> are it'll be more than apparent in their work and i'll not be entertained
> as
> much in the first place.
>
> if i had to agree with the all the personal/political views of the people
> in
> my cd collection i wouldn't have any cds left!


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kristen hall
michelle malone
sugarland  (yes!)
carol king - love her new cd
james taylor
vanessa carlton
bruce! (no last name necessary!)
stevie nicks


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eliza gilkyson.....everyone should check her out!
michelle malone
kelly richey band
ani


mary ferrara <thebagelgal@aol.com> wrote:kristen hall
michelle malone
sugarland (yes!)
carol king - love her new cd
james taylor
vanessa carlton
bruce! (no last name necessary!)
stevie nicks


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i only recorded the 1945 set. i wished that i would have recorded the mic=
helle=20
malone set. she was so good that i went out to my car to get my gear=20
following her set. it just seemed like something good was going to happen=
=20
later. actually the drummer from 1945 said amy was going to do some songs=
as=20
in maybe some solo stuff, so thats the only reason i got so siked to reco=
rd=20
the 1945 set(i had recorded them the night before in asheville.) i didn't=
=20
record the group sex set. they are fun and all but the idea of recording =
a=20
cover band wasn't that appealing to me. tanner (of "my friend tanner..." =
and=20
the stag album cover) sings but she usually sings in a groveled muffelled=
=20
mess sort of way. to her credit, she's a ton of fun to watch. she would m=
ake=20
a great arena rock star and she seems to be having a ton of fun herself.=20
having seen them play, before and knowing that amy and emily would only d=
o 1=20
to 2 songs worth of back-up vocals i didn't record it.


however, i recorded the show in asheville the previous night(amy and the=20
butchies, the butchies and 1945), it sounds ok, so following my transfer =
of=20
it to cd, my wife will offer it up to the list.


on monday 31 march 2003 04:46 pm, traci drago wrote:
> did anyone record this show from this weekend?
>
>
> life's like a bag of beads, the possibilities are endless....
> www.trinketsoftemptation.com


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bjork
eminem
joni mitchell
tori amos
nin
christina aguilera
sinead oconner
alanis morissette
madonna


and.. ig of course!


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ani difranco (i love her music, drive, passion, everything about her ...
except much of her political position, but even then i greatly admire the
way she brings what she believes in to life so intensely.  it's probably the
most amazing thing i've ever seen.)


josh joplin group
tegan & sara


- rick c. hodgin


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the who (and solo - townshend, entwistle, daltrey)
indigo girls
springsteen
melissa etheridge
(those are the ones i've gotten on airplanes for.)


i also highly recommend:
melissa ferrick
simon townshend
ani difranco
joan armatrading
stanley jordan
victor wooten


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absolute tops
inxs
bodeans
r.e.m.
alarm
melissa etheridge
foo fighters


others
kristen hall
gerard mchugh
michelle malone
bon jovi
toad the wet sprocket
gin blossoms
counting crows
bruce springsteen


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hi :)


<<i don't agree, neil... i don't support the stones or eminem or guns 'n
roses, regardless of how talented they might be.>>


i think you're misunderstanding me - it's not a question of talent at all.
i'm guessing - at least in the case of eminem - that you just don't find
misogyny and homophobia entertaining. like i said, it's completely different
when a person's lifestyle is reflected in their work.


garian - and please correct me if i'm wrong on this - seems to be suggesting
that we shouldn't buy indigo girls cds or go to shows if we strongly
disagree with their decision to play the michican womyn's music festival. in
the same way garian doesn't buy cranberries cds because of their support for
rockforlife.org.


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barenaked ladies
train
sixpence none the richer
take 6


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david gray
the corrs
melissa etheridge
train
k's choice


-ang


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oh damn,,,,i forgot k's choice on my list as well as joni mitchell!!!!


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my thought exactly, geesh
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  subject: 404??

  only 404?  what the hell happened to this group?


  geez...


  remember when there was membership in 4-digits....


  ta.


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