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date:         tue, 1 apr 2003 01:46:00 -0500
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here are a list of some of my favorite touring indie artists that i've
showcased here in buffalo, in no particular order:


sonia
voices on the verge
commonbond (from d.c.) - great harmony duo - played here last thursday
amy speace (from nyc)
arjuna greist (opened for commonbond)
kristi martel (opening for peter mulvey at nietzsche's thursday april 3)
sarah pinsker
meghan cary
ronley teper
david celia
michael holt
karen kosowski
holly figueroa
emaline delapaix
ellis
alix olson (slam poet)


i feel very fortunate to have been privileged to share a stage with so
many wonderful and talented people...


peace,
tim


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date:         tue, 1 apr 2003 02:28:28 est
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if we were holding elections rick would get mine for "king post"
that was perfect. it was concise and spoke the correct truth.


awesome job.


can anyone still say they are against this?

(please don't answer it's rhetorical)

in it's eloquence, in it's message and in its perfection, rick nailed it.
thank you.


joe
manhattan,ny


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in a message dated 3/31/03 6:33:50 pm eastern standard time,
indigotraveller@aol.com writes:


lauren said:
> a-ha!  but this is the problem.  the "coalition," unlike in '91, is a very,
> very slight one.  the vast majority of world opinion is against this us
> invasion of iraq.  we (the us) did not effectively build coalition or
> exhaust
> diplomatic options.
>


that's what rick was talking about... a post that deserves time on cnn for
the world to hear. he was saying that diplomacy was tried and it failed
because, as he also said, it (diplomacy) can only succeed if both sides
agree. only one side agreed to it, the other thumbed his nose at the un, at
the resolutions, and at the mercy shown to him 12 years ago. the breaking
point has come.

lauren also said:
absolutely agreed.  i think one of the valuable lessons learned from vietnam
was to separate being anti-war from being unsupportive of the working people
in the military.


a-ha! something we all agree on. the safety of our brothers, sisters, mothers
and fathers over seas and to their quick victorious returns home.


joe
manhattan,ny


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in a message dated 3/31/03 6:36:31 pm eastern standard time,
indigotraveller@aol.com writes:

> .  i don't support
> the stones or eminem or guns 'n roses, regardless of how talented they
> might
> be.
>
> lauren
>
>


yeah, but do you like them? i mean really like them? do you crank it up when
that kick-ass opening guitar riff from sweet child o'mine comes on? are you
telling all the other slim shady's to please shut up, please shut up? do you
like brown sugar?


i've mainly been lurking on this topic, but really, if you are so into a tune
are you really gonna ask someone "hey, i totaly love this song. but the
singer... he's a pro-choice vegitarian right? "


and what if the singer of the song is an awesome singing tree planting
greenpeace mision running alto performing a song written by a nazi.... who
get's punished there?


in the end, isn't it you as you spite yourself to feel better about some
distant ideal that won't even hear your protest as you don't hear its song.


for me, i'll suspend my distane for the artist belifes during the 3min and
30sec of music that sends me to a place which only exist in my mind... during
that song.


i'll go back to hating the singer for her pro-life, socalistic and
anti-legalizing marijauna ideas after.


joe
manhattan,ny

ps lauren, didn't mean to put you on the spot. no offence =)


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date:         tue, 1 apr 2003 03:21:07 est
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in a message dated 3/31/03 7:36:32 pm eastern standard time,
neil@andineil.com writes:

> hi :)
>
> <<i ?n
> i'm guessing - at least in the case of eminem - that you just don't find
> misogyny and homophobia entertaining. like i said, it's completely
> different
> when a person's lifestyle is reflected in their work.


to all;


very simple.
eminem = musical demi-god.


end of story. no discussion.


a musical demi-god....and a perfect example of loving the music, [ most rap
isn't, his is ] the lyrics and not the artist or his beleifes.


he is compleatly amazing. he is smooth. he's concise. he is chilling and
spellbinding. he brushes his canvas with words the way hieronymous bosch  did
paint.


he is the harry chapin of rap ( for those who don't know harry chapin he has
nothing to do with eminem, he is also at the demi-god level along with the
girls and tori)


now that everyone is in a flame up, i stand by it. this entire thread has
been about loving the music not the message.


remember, i don't agree with amy and emily when they sing against the death
penatly, i'm not gay, i don't think it's the same thing today as it was when
we were all on the same boat back in 1694 so there should be no reason to
think for a second that i agree with his wife killing, woman beating,
homophoibic (which he does not do much of) violent lyrics (which are not
messages, they are poems)... but i do say damn! he is awesome.


i love you all


joe
manhattan,ny


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discovered on another list...

amy ray in your house
radio kklm - 1 april 2003


ever wanted a rock star to perform for just you and your friends?


always your favorite alternative radio station, kklm is teaming up with
daemon records to give you an opportunity to win a private, intimate concert
by indigo girl amy ray in the comfort of your living room. "i wanted an
exciting way to promote my new solo album," says amy, "and what better way
to reconnect with my true fans than with some small guerilla marketing
shows."


30 lucky kklm contest winners will recieve an all-expenses paid 90 minute
solo concert in their home along with the opportunity to hang out with their
friends and amy before and after the show. all you have to do is answer this
simple question: "who is the other half of the indigo girls?"


call 1-888-kklm-win for your chance of a lifetime. lines are open until noon
today, pst. call now, and good luck!


open to us residents over the age of 18 only. some restrictions apply.


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oh god. (too many artists to mention) anything labeled "classic rock" (most
of which i have in their originally presented format of vinyl)


latest tagalongs:
dave carter and tracy grammer (daveandtracy.com)
vance gilbert (.com)
we're about nine (circanine.com)


guilty pleasures:
korn
rob zombie


i know you're saying "whatwhatwhat??" to my guilty pleasures, but my music
is extremely variegated.  and i'm accommodating my inner boy. :)


-texasyankee
http://www.dykewrite.com/texasyankee


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hi there,


sorry for the totally non-ig related post, but i was wondering if sarah
mclachlan has anything new coming up in the near future? her official
website is like totally out of date.


please email me privately


thanks


kt


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has anyone tried to call this?  i keep getting an error recording.
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me too!


>>> sheryl jones <felidae@charter.net> 04/01/03 09:05am >>>
has anyone tried to call this?  i keep getting an error recording.
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try and remember that it is april fool's day kids.....


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>discovered on another list...
>
>
>amy ray in your house
>radio kklm - 1 april 2003
>
>ever wanted a rock star to perform for just you and your friends?
>
>always your favorite alternative radio station, kklm is teaming up with
>daemon records to give you an opportunity to win a private, intimate concert
>by indigo girl amy ray in the comfort of your living room. "i wanted an
>exciting way to promote my new solo album," says amy, "and what better way
>to reconnect with my true fans than with some small guerilla marketing
>shows."
>
>30 lucky kklm contest winners will recieve an all-expenses paid 90 minute
>solo concert in their home along with the opportunity to hang out with their
>friends and amy before and after the show. all you have to do is answer this
>simple question: "who is the other half of the indigo girls?"
>
>call 1-888-kklm-win for your chance of a lifetime. lines are open until noon
>today, pst. call now, and good luck!
>
>open to us residents over the age of 18 only. some restrictions apply.
>
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besides ig my other cd's include
jonatha brook
michael franti
jackson browne
robert mirabal
entrain
and my guilty pleasure...not christina....but rick springfield.  that man is
amazingly hot for 53 years young!


peace,
jen.. )) -::-
. .))
((. .. my job's a party... -::-
-::- ((.* what's yours like?


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> those that i carry with me daily aside from ig
>
> michelle malone
> no doubt
> alanis morisette
> murmurs
>
> guilty pleasure
> christina aguilera - i know, i know................but you gotta admit,
the
> girl has got some lungs
>
>
> life's like a bag of beads, the possibilities are endless....
> www.trinketsoftemptation.com
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dangit.....that about killed me.....


>>> "jennifer m." <shedyourskin23@hotmail.com> 04/01/03 09:09am >>>


try and remember that it is april fool's day kids.....


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>discovered on another list...
>
>
>amy ray in your house
>radio kklm - 1 april 2003
>
>ever wanted a rock star to perform for just you and your friends?
>
>always your favorite alternative radio station, kklm is teaming up
with
>daemon records to give you an opportunity to win a private, intimate
concert
>by indigo girl amy ray in the comfort of your living room. "i wanted
an
>exciting way to promote my new solo album," says amy, "and what better
way
>to reconnect with my true fans than with some small guerilla marketing


>shows."
>
>30 lucky kklm contest winners will recieve an all-expenses paid 90
minute
>solo concert in their home along with the opportunity to hang out with
their
>friends and amy before and after the show. all you have to do is
answer this
>simple question: "who is the other half of the indigo girls?"
>
>call 1-888-kklm-win for your chance of a lifetime. lines are open
until noon
>today, pst. call now, and good luck!
>
>open to us residents over the age of 18 only. some restrictions apply.


>
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>http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig


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duh!  thanks for the reminder.

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once again neil does it again! i'm learning though.


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just wondering if the date might have anything to do with the error
message?????


quote :


april fool


april fool's day stems from the 16th century when the pope introduced a new
calendar. until  1584, many cultures  celebrated the new year on april 1st,
but the new rule decreed that the new year was to be celebrated on january
1st.


in france many refused to adopt the ruling or simply did not know about it
and continued to celebrate the new year on april 1st. in time people started
to make fun of the traditionalists and began to send them on fool's
errands........


unquote

hannah in england - who wouldnt be eligible anyway :-/


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>date: tue, 1 apr 2003 09:08:47 -0500
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>me too!
>
> >>> sheryl jones <felidae@charter.net> 04/01/03 09:05am >>>
>has anyone tried to call this?  i keep getting an error recording.
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i'll have to concur with joe on this one.  i don't like eminem, but i like
his song "lose yourself."   i live my life like that song.  and i like
michael jackson's music (mostly from "off the wall" to "bad" as anything
after that sucks) but personally i think he's a little off the charts.  but
i can't keep my feet from moving when i hear "don't stop til you get
enough"


however, there is an underlying guilt in listening to artists like those
whom i don't care for personally but still like their music.  but it's a
sufferable guilt.  i forgive it by listen to good people like ig and dave
and tracy. :)


my .02
-texasyankee
(hi tim!  totally forgot you were on this list too)
http://www.dykewrite.com/texasyankee


<<yeah, but do you like them? i mean really like them? do you crank it up
when
that kick-ass opening guitar riff from sweet child o'mine comes on? are you
telling all the other slim shady's to please shut up, please shut up? do
you
like brown sugar?


i've mainly been lurking on this topic, but really, if you are so into a
tune
are you really gonna ask someone "hey, i totaly love this song. but the
singer... he's a pro-choice vegitarian right? "


and what if the singer of the song is an awesome singing tree planting
greenpeace mision running alto performing a song written by a nazi.... who
get's punished there?


in the end, isn't it you as you spite yourself to feel better about some
distant ideal that won't even hear your protest as you don't hear its song.


for me, i'll suspend my distane for the artist belifes during the 3min and
30sec of music that sends me to a place which only exist in my mind...
during
that song.


i'll go back to hating the singer for her pro-life, socalistic and
anti-legalizing marijauna ideas after.


joe
manhattan,ny>>


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those that i carry with me daily aside from ig


michelle malone
dar williams
jewel
tori amos
elvis

this is a fun topic!!  i can't wait to read everyone's responses!
:)
mi rinda


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don't forget that tonight in little 5 points, sugarland (jennifer nettles,
kristen hall, kristian bush) is opening for vonda shephard at the variety
playhouse!  wish i could be there.


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neil,
you are the master at april fool's day jokes!  wasn't it you who had us all
looking in our mirrors at the backwards images of so?  wasn't it also you
who had us all scrambling trying to find "hidden songs" that never really
existed?  this was another good one!!
:)
mi rinda


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discovered on another list...

amy ray in your house
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sorry i have not responded to the other posts so far.  i am in the
last week of rehearsals for a show i'm in that opens thursday and
have not been home (and awake) for more than a few minutes.  my
web-based program at work won't let me post to the ig list without
tons of odd "=" symbols that garble my messages.  but i have
completely loved the discussion this has brought about.


about the amy ray in your house thing....neil, i love you.  you're
awesome.  april 1st, y'all!


jason


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i was looking out for it this year!

i was totaly suckered into the hidden track before song 1 on so. i was
calling friends to borrow a cd player when i realized that my stero, my
computer and my car cd player did not have 'that feature' to play songs
before song one.


i'm such a dink!


but this year, i didn't fall for it! ha!


it's also my birthday, so i'm always a little on the look out.


enjoy all. i'll invite you over for the amy concert!!!


joe
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hey all,


i have been reading some of the comments here, but i really don't understand the folks who love the girls but don't relate to their politics. their politics are central to virtually every song they do that's not a love song, and considering they are lesbians, central to every song they do that is a love song.


amy ray has routinely used "here's to the motherfucking revolution" as a signature.  they are all about their politics and if the lyrics are given any substance at all, how can that message be anything but in your face?


on a totally different note, i am constantly appalled by the music i truly love. the stuff that i get up and get down to.  eminem? yep. the rolling stones? yep - i listened to virtually nothing else during my formative years. wait. i'm still having my formative years... hopefully always will.


lately my biggest moral delemma is with eminem-a. but it makes me dance and laugh. a conundrum. with a beat. and i can dance to it.


anyway. i'm ranting. thanks for listening. it's a good discussion. an important discussion. a discussion real people are dying for right now.


peace. soon.
kristen


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aside from ig, of course:-
michelle shocked
dar williams
sheryl crow
eliza carthy
kate rusby
maddy prior
susheela raman
david bowie
eels
jackson browne
james taylor
sin e
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hard to stop, actually...


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currently in the changer:


coldplay
the october project
john mayer (my guilty pleasure!)
ani


also have been listening to recently:


sting (an all-time, always fave)
jack johnson
beck
joni (another all-time)

pam in big d


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hey y'all i'm new to the list.


faves:
ryan adams/whiskeytown
roger clyne & the peacemakers/the refreshments
the cure
dwight yoakam


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> currently in the changer:
>
> coldplay
> the october project
> john mayer (my guilty pleasure!)
> ani
>
> also have been listening to recently:
>
> sting (an all-time, always fave)
> jack johnson
> beck
> joni (another all-time)
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in a message dated 4/1/03 11:38:10 am eastern standard time,
kz1231@netscape.net writes:

> i have been reading some of the comments here, but i really don't understand
> the folks who love the girls but don't relate to their politics. their
> politics are central to virtually every song they do that's not a love
> song, and considering they are lesbians, central to every song they do that
> is a love song.
>
> amy ray has routinely used "here's to the motherfucking revolution" as a
> signature.  they are all about their politics and if the lyrics are given
> any substance at all, how can that message be anything but in your face?
>


ummm... then i think you either became a fan post so, or you're not really
listening.


you find me one gay and or political song from indigo girls, or strage fire
or nomads... i think if i get right down to it.... they didn't make a single
political comment 'till amy sang "this train" on so.


then they started to get a bit more preachy. but kristin.... no no my dear,
it was years before they started making noise on their cd's. before then, it
was all philosophy and life enthuseasm, it was becoming an guardian angel
taking the soul she had been watching over to heaven. it was songs of hope
about getting through lifes strugles. they were folk singers who were not
granola-eating, tree hugging, hippies. (thanks sabrina!)  they were (are)
minstrals. they are wisdom.


i never heard a single 'gay' lyric until amy said "...when the beautiful
girls walk right by, you know i never know what to say" ....anyone wanna back
me up on this one?


ghost, love will come to you, you left it up to me, strange fire, blood and
fire, laungage or the kiss, deconstruction, moment of forgivness!!!!! ....my
god. can anyone find one gay lyric in those songs? i'll take a secrete 'gay
community' special code if you got one. i dont' think there is.


kristin, which love song do you hear gay lyrics in?


everyone is entitled to an opinon... but you are simply wrong on this matter.

cons... yes tons of political and gay songs there, like "trouble" very gay,
"it's alright" very gay, "bury my heart" very political (not their song), and
plenty of stuff from stag, but again... all of these songs are post so.


i'm curious, when did you start to listen... or am i wrong? i would love to
know what gay and or political lyrics are in any song pre-so... i offer that
for anyone, i'm not picking on kristin.


joe
manhattan,ny


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howdy ya'll,


man, was i surprised to check my email last night and
see a gadzillion posts from this list!  i've been a
listee for probably over a year now and i've *never*
seen this kind of intensity and longevity in a thread
before.  it's fantastic, and i just want to say, all
politics aside-even though it's impossible to put it
aside-it's great we're all getting in on this.  cause
in relation to the whole pro-war sentiment of doing
something being far more useful than nothing at all,
ya'll are at least doing *something*!  yeah everyone!


ok, and now on with the musical part of the post,
being what other kinds of music do we listen to other
than the girls.


after the ig, or before, depending on my mood, i can't
leave home without a full stash of monkees cd's.  yes,
i said monkees.  hey, hey... ok, you get the picture.
i've seen them way too many times in concert and met
my soul mate because of them.  cassidy and i will be
spending out fourth anniversary this july in some very
gay friendly spot soaking up the atmosphere and
spending way too much.


i digress.


also must haves: james lee stanley-check him out, he's
an awesome acoustic folk/blues/rock guru from way
back.


the beatles
janis joplin
the who
ani difranco
joni mitchell
michelle malone
csn and sometimes y
norah jones
john mayer


just to name a few!  ok, that's enough from me, peace
and love and 'smore peace to ya'll!  bye!


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i bought extra ig/winona laduke unc greeley, co tix for the 22nd of april.
i've got the physical tickets.  if you need any, drop me a line.  $11 each.


also, i may have one extra ticket for ani difranco at the denver paramount on
th. 4/24.  it's in the first 15 rows, center (probably 10th row).  price is
$40.


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ok....


after amy and emily...


harry chapin (from long island)
bach
the badlees (great lyrics - little bit like hootie, but you can understand
the words)
twisted sister (yes. twisted sister. long island rules!!!)
dream theatre (greatest assembly of musicians ever) - (long island band)
king diamond - (abigail - entire album is a story. .f'ing rules!!)
todd snider (a modern day dylan... a complete total must listen... todd
snider)
bob dylan
tori
billy (also from long island)
rockapella
and the original cast recording of les miserables and south park.


..also the beatles and spinal tap.


joe
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next you're going to try to tell us that "our deliverance" is neither political nor anti war....


haha.


:-) karen


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i was just checking out what ig posters are on ebay right now, and i saw that
someone is selling the ala read poster and that the bidding is at $26.  i just
want to make sure that folks know that you can get one brand new directly from
ala for $15 ($13.50 if you know a librarian who's a member of ala) plus shipping.


http://alastore.ala.org/sitesolution.taf?_sn=catalog&_pn=product_detail&_op=1128


if there are several folks who want them, i'd suggest pooling together and
buying 5 or more at a time, since there is an added 20% discount.


anna


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this just reminds me of the time ronald reagan thought born in the usa was
actually pro-republican and everything. boy, did springsteen (or
brooooooce!!!!!!!) put him right on that one...


john.


(helloooooooooooooooooooo spike!!!!!! :)  )
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> next you're going to try to tell us that "our deliverance" is neither
political nor anti war....
>
> haha.
>
> :-) karen
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joe writes...
> i'm curious, when did you start to listen... or am i wrong? i would love
to
> know what gay and or political lyrics are in any song pre-so... i offer
that
> for anyone, i'm not picking on kristin.


what do you mean by a 'gay lyric'? what do you mean by 'political lyrics'?


does a gay lyric to you mean that one must explicitly state their sexual
orientation and use the proper pronoun? does a political lyric to you mean
that one must explicitly state their party affiliation or cause? what
exactly do you mean by such phrases?


i ask because i didn't need to have emily and amy sing "i am gay, hear me
roar" the first time i heard them in the late 80s for me to know they were.
i didn't need them to be out to understand what emily meant in love's
recovery when she wrote, "rain soaked and voice choked / like silent
screaming in a dream / i search for our absolute distinction / not content
to bow and bend / to the whims of culture that swoop like vultures / eating
us away, eating us away eating us away to our extinction."


i just needed to be living my life (complete with my innate secret gay
community code - of course).


deb


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in a message dated 4/1/2003 3:17:30 pm eastern standard time, moondust@gate.net writes:


> i didn't need them to be out to understand what emily meant in love's
> recovery when she wrote, "rain soaked and voice choked / like silent
> screaming in a dream / i search for our absolute distinction / not content
> to bow and bend / to the whims of culture that swoop like
> vultures / eating
> us away, eating us away eating us away to our extinction."


exactly.  and the "i missed 10 million miles of road i should have seen" line also speaks to me.


that is the thing... a song does not need to be blatantly political in order to be political.


(and please don't ask how long i have been listening to ig for.  1989.  that is your answer.)


:-) karen


(ps... hiiii hg!  ;) )


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precisely. but coming out, and a lot of the stuff that has happened to me
since then gives me a different appreciation of a lot of the lyrics.... esp
hearing them live.


john (aka hg hehehe.....)


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> in a message dated 4/1/2003 3:17:30 pm eastern standard time,
moondust@gate.net writes:
>
> > i didn't need them to be out to understand what emily meant in love's
> > recovery when she wrote, "rain soaked and voice choked / like silent
> > screaming in a dream / i search for our absolute distinction / not
content
> > to bow and bend / to the whims of culture that swoop like
> > vultures / eating
> > us away, eating us away eating us away to our extinction."
>
> exactly.  and the "i missed 10 million miles of road i should have seen"
line also speaks to me.
>
> that is the thing... a song does not need to be blatantly political in
order to be political.
>
> (and please don't ask how long i have been listening to ig for.  1989.
that is your answer.)
>
> :-) karen
>
> (ps... hiiii hg!  ;) )
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i also believe , that , after having been a fan since late 86, that yes =
i have gone thru many things thru my life with ig songs right besides =
me....soemimes holding me up...but now, looking back i can listen to =
soem of the songs ( and no i don't have any examples right now) but lil =
bits of this or that song do or can have a political flare to them...but =
it is a personal thing......nothing that is stated right out.....(no pun =
intended)
sparkie


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precisely. but coming out, and a lot of the stuff that has happened to =
me
since then gives me a different appreciation of a lot of the lyrics.... =
esp
hearing them live.


john (aka hg hehehe.....)


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in a message dated 4/1/03 4:15:46 pm eastern standard time,
indigokare@aol.com writes:

> > i didn't need them to be out to understand what emily meant in love's
> > recovery when she wrote, "rain soaked and voice choked / like silent
> > screaming in a dream / i search for our absolute distinction / not
> content
> > to bow and bend / to the whims of culture that swoop like
> > vultures / eating
> > us away, eating us away eating us away to our extinction."
>
> exactly.  and the "i missed 10 million miles of road i should have seen"
> line also speaks to me.
>


i love upon love these lines too...  but i'm looking, and not finding
anything political.


what are we calling political?


i missed 10million miles of road.... that's about being a neive child and
having the blessing of short sighteness. it's a personal development line.
it's a rite of passage. loss of innocence bla, bla, bla. it's not making a
statement, it's a realization.


as for:
>rain soaked and voice choked / like silent
> screaming in a dream / i search for our absolute distinction / not content
> to bow and bend / to the whims of culture that swoop like
> vultures / eating
> us away, eating us away eating us away to our extinction."


my god i get chills just cutting and pasting that lyric!


again no rally cry, no statement on world issues, this is about one persons
.... well to quote frank... decision to do it her way. she's not going to
change with the tides of what culture deams what to do.


self growth. it's about lives not issues.


joe
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in a message dated 4/1/03 3:18:06 pm eastern standard time, moondust@gate.net
writes:

> what do you mean by a 'gay lyric'? what do you mean by 'political lyrics'?
>
> does a gay lyric to you mean that one must explicitly state their sexual
> orientation and use the proper pronoun? does a political lyric to you mean
> that one must explicitly state their party affiliation or cause? what
> exactly do you mean by such phrases?
>


a gay lyric would be like "...hate me 'cause i'm different, hate me 'cause
i'm gay"
a gay lyric would be like "...and a girl can get a wife"


a lyric like " i am intense, i am in need, i am in pain, i am in love".....
is a lyric that can be sung from and to either or a hetrosexual to
hetrosexual or homosexual to homosexual.


is that clear enough?


joe
manhattan,ny


ps. i know there are times i do, but this was not one where i deserved a
harsh responce to my post.


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you find me one gay and or political song from indigo girls, or strage fire
or nomads... i think if i get right down to it.... they didn't make a single
political comment 'till amy sang "this train" on so.


okay, in strange fire amy says:
mercenaries of the shrine, who are you to speak for god? with haughty eyes
and lying tongues and hands that shed innocent blood. who delivered you the
power to interpret calvary? you gamble away our freedom to gain your own
authority.


that sounds pretty political to me!


in "left me a fool" emily says:
i resign myself to silence. i will never blow your cover, no one ever has to
know who the hero too for lover


i think that is a veiled message about being gay.


in 1 2 3 amy says:
i understand your causes, sympathize the motivation.
but all the details of this war are just self-infatuation.


again, that's pretty political.  actually i think that all of 1 2 3 is
political in nature.


you and me of the 10,000 wars emily says:
the evil ego and the vice of pride
is there ever anything else that makes us take our different sides?
i wanted everything to feed me.
about as full as i got was of myself
and the upper echalons of mediocrity
after the battle and we're still around
everything once up in the air has settled down
sweep the ashes let the silence find us
a moment of peace is worth every war behind us.


i think that states her opinion on war and the fact that she wants peace.


in let it be me:
sticks and stones battle zones a single light bulb on a single thread for
the black sirens wail history fails rose-colored glass begins to age and
crack while the politicians shadowbox the power ring in an endless split
decision never solve anything from a neighbor's distant land i heard the
strain of the common man


well, those are the examples i came up with.  i was in a hurry so i just
grabbed the ones i could think of.
:)
mi rinda


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quoting practi cat <fearst@gabrobins.com>:


> only 404?  what the hell happened to this group?


i think that having the bbs on the official site has drawn people away from this
list, as well as reduced the number of new fans even thinking to look for this
list.  if i hadn't been a member of indigo-girls@netspace since 1997-ish, i
probably wouldn't even guess that an email list outside of yahoogroups existed
for indigo girls related discussions.


anna


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oh m,y gawd..i was on the 1984 list of the jupiter set up at be seen...i =
have been out of it for a while..so there is yet another new list =
soemwhere and that is why i have note been gettign anythign>

sparkie


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quoting practi cat <fearst@gabrobins.com>:


> only 404?  what the hell happened to this group?


i think that having the bbs on the official site has drawn people away =
from this
list, as well as reduced the number of new fans even thinking to look =
for this
list.  if i hadn't been a member of indigo-girls@netspace since =
1997-ish, i
probably wouldn't even guess that an email list outside of yahoogroups =
existed
for indigo girls related discussions.


anna


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who
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my fave other bands:
rem
then - no particular order
ani
dar
u2
tracy chapman
fugazi and any other band ian mackaye was in
billy bragg
suzanne vega
radiohead
paul simon
james taylor
dave matthews - preferrably solo or w/ tim bootlegs.
black flag / rollins
moby
bruce hornsby
the other bruce...
the cure, the clash, joy division/ new order /what ever the off shoots are
pearl jam
antiflag
digweed and oakey live sets...too much to get into -
and the new johnny cash album is soooo incredibly good.


and yeah - i hate his politics - but damn - lose yourself by eminem is a
brillant song - guilty pleasure considering my boyfriend hates him...
actually, my boyfrind hates most of my music - but there is more to life
mike r.


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does anyone know how to get in touch with julie davis or toni mantych (sp?)?


please email me off-list.


lauren


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at 04:19 pm 4/1/03 -0600, kovacs, mirinda wrote:
>you find me one gay and or political song from indigo girls, or strage fire
>or nomads... i think if i get right down to it.... they didn't make a single
>political comment 'till amy sang "this train" on so.


you know as a now bisexual who considered himself str8 when i first got
into ig - left me a fool totally comes across as a gay relationship song -
i remember the firrst person i was with and how i was left a fool...


ghost - in some ways it is very politcal - i dunno - cant even explain.
blood and fire seems like a suicide note - to me emotion can = politics -
let it be me, world falls, pushing the needle seem like get off your ass
and do something with your life songs (actually - to me nis got me through
my junior/sr yr of high school, those memories still put shivers in my spine...


oh 3 hits and frank stamford and the guy who killed himself over the last
war - i'm blanking - is that on rop??? or nis  - it was a guy different
than frank stamford i think.


ok - i am just too tired
mike r.


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wow, i've been silent here too long. i'm loving the recent discussions
on which ig songs are political, what it means, etc.


i started listening to ig when rop came out and was instantly struck by
"joking", which to my 15 year old "straight" self, mentioned
alternative ideas of gender overtly... said things i had never heard of
before. anyhow, for me at least, loving the ig has always been
intertwined with the idea that their music actually says something
profound about the world in many cases. it speaks to my fears and my
hopes, which can sometimes be very political... and i also love the
idea that their love songs do speak more to relationships that may be
unacceptable to some people. this could just be how i choose to
interpret the lyrics, but that's my two cents.


as for other musical favs:


(in no particular order)


jonatha brooke
lucy kaplansky
melissa ferrick
janis ian
spearhead
rem
counting crows
michelle branch
nelly furtado
ani - pre-1999


and so many many others.


:-) amy, who found the list way before the bbs appeared, but is still
marginally involved with both.
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"i never heard a single 'gay' lyric until amy said "...when the beautiful
girls walk right by, you know i never know what to say" ....anyone wanna back me up on this one?"


then you must have never seen them live... in 1990 they covered "free fallin'" by tom petty and emily sang the line "she's a good girl she's crazy about amy (instead of elvis)..."
and at 1991 or maybe 92 show when they sang southland in the springtime emily sang "when god made me born a yankee she was teasing"
so even tho they weren't putting it on their cd's they were plenty out back then.........


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someone on this list once made the case that strange fire refers to
lesbian love (in the same vein as odd girls and twilight lovers).


is that person still on this list?


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hey...


<<about the amy ray in your house thing....neil, i love you.  you're
awesome.  april 1st, y'all!>>


thank you - not my best, but it was up there.


we need to educate some people on the art of subtlety when playing along
with a classy prank though. in order to catch more fish, gentle reminders to
check the date shouldn't be sent to the list at large :)

<<in 1990 they covered "free fallin'" by tom petty and emily sang the line
"she's a good girl she's crazy about amy (instead of elvis)..." and at 1991
or maybe 92 show when they sang southland in the springtime emily sang "when
god made me born a yankee she was teasing">>


are you sure those lyrics have an exclusively gay meaning?
'cause i'm crazy about brian wilson and my mother-in-law refers to god as
feminine pretty much always.


:)


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man, i was about to have a heart attack!
-ang


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my faves in addition to ig:
elvis costello
u2
rem
the pogues
michelle malone
paul simon
sarah mclachlan
mary chapin carpenter
bruce springsteen


peace,
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harsh? my intent wasn't to be harsh but to ask you to clarify your meaning.
meanings reside in each one of us. i assumed by 'gay lyric' and 'political
lyric' you  meant something explicit as you mentioned below and i wanted to
make sure i wasn't assuming too much. you confirmed my assumption.


all i'm saying is that you don't have to be explicit to be gay or politcal.
a&e don't have to be explicit in their lyrics to be gay or political in
their music. their music is an extension of themselves. i believe that's the
reason why some on the list are questioning how it is that one can listen to
and love their music yet ignore those things which form the music's
foundation.


deb


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> in a message dated 4/1/03 3:18:06 pm eastern standard time,
moondust@gate.net
> writes:
>
>
> > what do you mean by a 'gay lyric'? what do you mean by 'political
lyrics'?
> >
> > does a gay lyric to you mean that one must explicitly state their sexual
> > orientation and use the proper pronoun? does a political lyric to you
mean
> > that one must explicitly state their party affiliation or cause? what
> > exactly do you mean by such phrases?
> >
>
> a gay lyric would be like "...hate me 'cause i'm different, hate me 'cause
> i'm gay"
> a gay lyric would be like "...and a girl can get a wife"
>
> a lyric like " i am intense, i am in need, i am in pain, i am in
love".....
> is a lyric that can be sung from and to either or a hetrosexual to
> hetrosexual or homosexual to homosexual.
>
> is that clear enough?
>
> joe
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> ps. i know there are times i do, but this was not one where i deserved a
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"after having been a fan since late 86, that yes i have gone thru many
things thru my life with ig songs right besides me"


i started listening to ig in '89 when i was 13.  i memorized all the
lyrics-knew they had major mojo but never "got" what they meant, but now, at
27, do i finally understand them all and find how applicable they are in my
personal, political, and spiritual life. its amazes me how they have carried
me through my youth, early adulthood, and child-bearing years and have
remained relavant in every stage of my life.


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you guys are great - a lot of what you have put on your other artists
lists are who i book in my business - take a look at who i have coming
to wilmington de!!!  if you get a chance to stop in, let me know - i can
give indigo girl list serve discounts.
www.listeningpost.us   if you know anyone in the wilmington, de - newark
de or philly area tell them about me that's how it works.
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aside from ig, of course:-


michelle shocked


dar williams


sheryl crow


eliza carthy


kate rusby


maddy prior


susheela raman


david bowie


eels


jackson browne


james taylor


sin e


faithless


hard to stop, actually...

peace,


eileen


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nice one neil, i think that may have been your best one yet!


also, if i may slip into grump-who-never-gets-enough-sleep mode for a minute... can we please not quote other peoples' entire messages when posting to the list?  thanks...


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joe wrote: "can anyone find one gay lyric in those songs? i'll take a
secrete 'gay
community' special code if you got one. i dont' think there is."


i would argue that since most of their love songs refer to neither men
nor women explicitly, any of them could be seen as queering things up a
bit, particularly since both amy and emily are lesbian/queer. as far as
concrete examples go, the first thing that comes to my mind is "left me a
fool", which has a very closeted feel (as though it's addressed to
someone in the closet, from someone who is not, though i *think* at that
point emily was not out, which brings me to my next point).


we can look all we want for "gay" lyrics, and we will certainly find
them--the same thing goes for political statements. however, it's
important to remember that every person who listens to a song brings
their own sets of meanings to it, and that (unless the artist explicitly
says, as an addendum to the song, "this is what i mean:___") no meaning
is really right or correct. actually, even the artist's meaning isn't
really "right," especially when you're talking about politics...someone
like eminem would argue that his songs are quite political, for instance,
but i could listen to them a thousand times and never get the
interpretation he's shooting for.


in other words, it doesn't matter what album you go to--if you're
listening to ig with the knowledge that they are gay/out/political, that
experience affects the way you interpret their music. it may or may not
have had an effect on the way that they wrote it, or the message they
intended, but really, we have no way of knowing.


be well,
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aside from ig i dig on:


ani difranco=20


pj harvey


depeche mode (their newer album "exciter" rocks!)


the ya ya's


michelle malone


the butchies


bjork


the pixies


white stripes


and as eileen had previously mentioned i am always faithful to the =
grandfather david bowie!


take care y'all

mandy (from oklahoma :)


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i have so many people i like...

mary black
bob dylan
joan baez
dar williams (honesty room)
buffy sainte-marie
carpenters
simon and garfunkel
paul simon
cher
pete seeger
peter,paul and mary
bee gees
pat benatar
brewer and shipley
iris dement
nanci griffith
babatundae olitunjae
angelique kidjo
amy ray and the butchies
harp  (holly near, arlo guthrie, ronnie gilbert, pete seeger)


tracks from the honor cd:


joy harjo and poetic justice
toad the wet sprocket
john trudelle
victoria williams


and i'm just getting started!


peace
barb


stop the war on iraqi people! finding a peaceful solution does not
involve doing nothing.


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satire from the specious report. i love it.


-jenna

http://www.thespeciousreport.com/2003_dixiechicks.html


as a concerned american citizen, i apologize to president bush because my
remark was disrespectful. i now realize that whoever holds that office
should be treated with the utmost respect.


i hope everyone understands, i'm just a young girl who grew up in texas. as
far back as i can remember, i heard people say they were ashamed of
president clinton. i saw bumper stickers calling him everything from a
pothead to a murderer. i heard people on the radio and tv like rush
limbaugh, pat robertson, newt gingrich and trent lott bad mouthing the
president and ridiculing his wife and daughter at every opportunity.


i heard lots of people disrespecting the president. so i guess i just
assumed it was acceptable behavior.


but now, thanks to the thousands of angry people who want radio stations to
boycott our music because criticizing the president is unpatriotic, i
realize it's wrong to have a liberal opinion if you're a country music
artist. i guess i should have thought about that before deciding to play
music that attracts hypocritical red necks.


i also realize now that i'm supposed to just sing and look cute so our fans
won't have anything to upset them while they're cheating on their wives or
getting in drunken bar fights or driving around in their pickup trucks
shooting highway signs and small animals.


and most important of all, i realize that it's wrong for a celebrity to
voice a political opinion, unless they're charlie daniels, clint black,
merle haggard, barbara mandrell, loretta lynn, ricky skaggs, travis tritt,
hank williams jr, amy grant, larry gatlin, crystal gayle, reba mcentire,
lee greenwood, lorrie morgan, anita bryant, mike oldfield, ted nugent,
wayne newton, dick clark, jay leno, drew carey, dixie carter, victoria
jackson, charleton heston, fred thompson, ben stein, bruce willis, kevin
costner, arnold schwartzenegger, bo derek, rick schroeder, george will, pat
buchanan, bill o'reilly, joe rogan, delta burke, robert conrad or jesse
ventura.


god bless america,
natalie


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would like to add...


christy mcwilson
minus 5
tuatara
shawn mullins
cooper seay
mary fortune express
ellen james society
jess klein
carla sloan
crowded house
fleetwood mac
rose polenzani


i could go on....


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what a hoot!


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satire from the specious report. i love it.


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>>and at 1991 or maybe 92 show when they sang southland in the springtime
emily sang "when god made me born a yankee she was teasing">>


huh?!?!?!  explain to me how that's a gay lyric=2e


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i was wondering if anyone can tell me which recordings have ig covering =
free fallin' ? it was mentioned in an earlier post but i can't find it.


i'd really like to hear that....
thanks


elaine


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http://www.protest-records.com/


www.remhq.com, www.mellencamp.com, www.greenday.com, www.rockthevote.com


lots of bands have released protest songs on mp3 recently.  system of a
down has a video directed by michael moore, which includes images of
people protesting in many different cities.  apparently, mtv played it at
first but is now refusing to play it.  the self-censorship of so many
different media outlets has been very frustrating to me (as someone who
was trained a journalist).  but that's a different discussion.


i think it's clear that ig did sing many songs of protest *way* before so.
live shows in particular included lots of covers of 60s and 70s era
political music.  and 1*2*3 is clearly political, as is a lot of nis.
(also, if we are going to bring up love songs by men sung by ig with no
change of pronouns, i can't believe no one has brought up r&j!!)


if ig were to release a protest song on one of these websites, which would
you choose?  a cover like finlandia, cortez the killer, what's going on,
for what it's worth...?  or would you choose a new or old original song?


g.


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my current protest song of choice is dylan's masters of war.  when the
bombing of baghdad started, i wrote three additional verses based on my
reactions.  i can hear amy pouring her emotion into this one.  eddie
vedder did a spine-chilling version during dylan's 30th anniversary
concert.


i've omitted three of the original verses.  they can be found on
www.bobdylan.com - the 5th thru 7th verses are mine...


i've also been opening most recent shows with a version of blowin' in the
wind...


peace,
tim


masters of war 2003
by bob dylan / new verses by tim baldwin, march 2003


come you masters of war
you that build all the guns
you that build the death planes
you that build the big bombs
you that hide behind walls
you that hide behind desks
i just want you to know
i can see through your masks


you that never done nothin'
but build to destroy
you play with my world
like it's your little toy
you put a gun in my hand
and you hide from my eyes
and you turn and run farther
when the fast bullets fly


like judas of old
you lie and deceive
a world war can be won
you want me to believe
but i see through your eyes
and i see through your brain
like i see through the water
that runs down my drain


you fasten the triggers
for the others to fire
then you set back and watch
when the death count gets higher
you hide in your mansion
as young people's blood
flows out of their bodies
and is buried in the mud


you make sober pronouncements
on our living room screens
while you kill with abandon
other faces unseen
and you sell us a package
paint it red white and blue
but i never could stomach
the things that you do


and you call yourselves leaders
you who never have served
and your sons and your daughters
with their futures assured
will never see battle
or hide terrified
while your bombs of destruction
rain down from the skies


now you speak of traditions
as the bodies mount higher
and i've watched your munitions
turn the skyline to fire
but i truly believe
when they add up the cost
wars can never be won
they can only be lost


let me ask you one question
is your money that good
will it buy you forgiveness
do you think that it could
i think you will find
when your death takes its toll
all the money you made
will never buy back your soul

on wed, 2 apr 2003 08:27:12 -0700 garian <vigil@ucsu.colorado.edu>
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> if ig were to release a protest song on one of these websites, which
would
> you choose?  a cover like finlandia, cortez the killer, what's going
on,
> for what it's worth...?  or would you choose a new or old original
song?
>
> g.


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good one, neil! didn't fall for it 'cos april 1 was pretty much over by the time i checked my mail (6 hours or so ahead), so i was alert.
i *always* refer to gods as "she", just on principle...
i think emily and amy are pretty much always political *and* personal, at the same time - but are usually quite subtle, especially regarding gay references - they are good writers, after all.

peace, soon please,
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>hey...
>
><>awesome. april 1st, y'all!>>
>
>thank you - not my best, but it was up there.
>
>>'cause i'm crazy about brian wilson and my mother-in-law refers to god as
>feminine pretty much always.
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hello all on the indigo girls list!!


my name is jason and i joined yesterday.
i have some hard to find cd's available (i'm moving and sadly, need the =
cash instead of the cd's)
i have the original label promo's of:


reverse1 - no artwork- just the cd.
shades of indigo (purple cover) - all artwork/great condition
three hits - label promo with 4 live tracks.


i just want ig fans to have these and not some scumbag who will make =
cd-r's or illegal boots for thier own profit.


so feel free to email me with questions and those in the know with =
current "fair" market value that would be great as well.
thank you.
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the cd goes on sale saturday, april 19 online at kbco.com and at best buy
locations. profits from the sale benefit the preserve the rocks fund (a
donation-driven fund dedicated to the rehabilitation and preservation of the
historic red rocks amphitheater).


track listing:
1. bittersweet - big head todd and the monsters
2. the best of what's around - dave matthews band
3. ghost - indigo girls
4. simple - phish
5. hate to lose your lovin' - little feat
6. close your eyes - string cheese incident
7. give - widespread panic
8. alone - blues traveler
9. aint wastin' time no more - the allman brothers band
10. company - rickie lee jones


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ghost is probably the same version on 1200 curfews


mjr


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1991 (or 90) ovens auditorium charlotte, nc
only exists on  tape to my knowledge
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karen,


>(and please don't ask how long i have been listening to ig for.  1989.
>that is your answer.)
me too. saw them open for neil young--greatest show ever!


i always thought that amy came out on rop: "there have been tribal feet
running wild as fire/some past life sister of my desire." (jonas and
ezekial). when i heard that i was like, "wow! amy's gay! cool!" up til then,
i suspected but was not sure of their preferences. knowing that, however,
did put songs like "love's recovery" in a new light.


cheers,
tom m.


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wow!


i didn't know there were other tori amos fans on the list. i must admit that
she is my first music love, but the girls run a close second. tori is on
tour right now and is one of the best live acts ever. don't miss her.


other faves of mine (in no order):
stevie nicks/fleetwood mac (will the girls ever cover landslide or the
chain?)
bob dylan (everything goes back to dylan)
radiohead (but i'm tired of all the copycats out there)
pink floyd (dave gilmour is my fave guitar player, after emily)
loreena mckennitt (a faerie in the flesh)
nine inch nails (when "i want to dismember the world and dance in ruins")
dave matthews band (dave writes some of the best--and sexiest--love songs)


new fave:
dave carter & tracy grammer ("another light missing." play on, dave.)


guilty pleasures:
moby (mindless beats and occasional lyrics of sublime longing)
madonna (gets me up and dancing)
'80's pop (duran duran rules!)


and to the person who mentioned tegan and sara, thanks! now i know how to
spell their names and can find them on the net.


cheers,
tom


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>bjork
>eminem
>joni mitchell
>tori amos
>nin
>christina aguilera
>sinead oconner
>alanis morissette
>madonna
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>and.. ig of course!
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some of my other favorites:
melissa ferrick
tegan and sara
over the rhine
ember swift
anne heaton
edie carey
the murmurs
the pretenders
doria roberts
michelle malone
danielle howle
sleater-kinney
rage against the machine
rose polenzani

liz

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i have a short list of two all-time favorites:


joni mitchell
jackson browne


these people listed below are musicians i like a lot,
but not as much as jackson and joni.  actually, this
is the list that can change from day to day.  there
are so many whose music is wonderful.


dar williams
ani - pre 1998
melissa ferrick
patty griffin
bonnie raitt
lucinda williams
lyle lovett
katryna & nerissa nields
emmylou harris
nanci griffith
lucy kaplansky
van morrison
neil young
warren zevon


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i still agree with joe that their pre-so lyrics were less politic or at
least outwardly political.  and do we really know what each lyric's true
intention is?  it's all up to each individual's interpretation.  many
brought up love's recovery as having gay innuendoes.  i never even
considered that song to have gay undertones until y'all talked about it.  i
see that it could be interpreted that way.   i always honed in on "nobody
gets a lifetime rehearsal, as specks of dust we're universal".  as a young
man growing up these lyrics rang true...but it wasn't about being gay, it
was about just generally feeling ok about yourself.  that is why i loved ig
so much back then.  their lyrics were gender-less but the messages were so
relevant and universal to all.  strange fire states--when you learn to love
yourself, you will dissolve all the stones that are cast.  how profound a
thought for anyone growing up who feels like an outcast.  it doesn't have to
be about gay people.  it can be the kid being made fun of for wearing
glasses.  i seem to even recall a and e in an interview (maybe on the uptown
lounge video) talking about how they keep their lyrics universal and want
then to appeal to everyone without labels and categories.  that is why i
loved them back when.


bottom line for me is that they do now sing with more activism and politics
in their music.  while i might love that it's alright has the word gay in
it, there is potential to alienate the mainstream with all their politics.
i feel they were much more popular when their songs were simpler.  but of
course that makes ig who they are--they evolved and aren't in it for record
sales and popularity.  for me, i still miss the simpler, more universal days
of love's recovery or strange fire...g


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in a message dated 4/2/03 6:32:30 pm, getula@hotmail.com writes:


<<
and to the person who mentioned tegan and sara, thanks! now i know how to
spell their names and can find them on the net. >>


tegan and sara  are great. their new album is this weird combination of
like....gwen stefani sounding vocals which sometimes sound like macy gray (if
you can picture that), sort of a punky/folky/pop-y sound. nice.


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i think it was greg who wrote (post only signed "g"):
>  i always honed in on "nobody
> gets a lifetime rehearsal, as specks of dust we're universal".


interesting you should pick that line out.  one of my favorite things in the
world is to hear them sing that line at red rocks.  there's something
profoundly humbling about the natural beauty there that makes me feel
connected to that line in an entirely different way.


lauren


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<< i feel they were much simpler then than they are now.>>


mm. i don't know i have to disagree.....i  think their messages were
hidden more back then and therefor not quite so simple. like for example
1-2-3,  you and me of the ten thousand wars,  center stage, pushing the
needle, definitely jonas and ezekiel, galileo, joking.


most of these songs all use descriptive images, and their views are not
as direct (greg, you're right about that.) that makes their message more
complicated because you have to figure the meaning out.


now however, they are much more assertive  in their music . like for
example songs like shame on you, trouble,  faye tucker,  it's alright,
philosophy of loss,  become you, bitterroot are much more direct..


i think their songwriting has changed because they've grown......as have
we all.....and also i think they've discovered that fans aren't going to
leave  if they say or do something they don't agree with......at least i
think that was one of emily's concerns back then,


peace
barb


stop the war on iraqi people! finding a peaceful solution does not
involve doing nothing.


ffi  www.internationalanswer.org  and
www.notinourname.net


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i saw the opening night of pearl jam's us tour last night in denver.  s-k was
the opening band.


as i posted elsewhere:
sleater-kinney, the opener, was three women.  two on electric guitar.  one on
drums.  no bass.  tightly knit punk kind of band.  not quite enough to fill
the space of an arena, but they were really tight, and i think they'd kick
ass in a club.


in summary, those of you who like the butchies might want to check them out.


lauren


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i have information that they may be playing the telluride bluegrass festival
in june. my sister works with one of the bands thats playing and she heard
they were just added. not on the website yet so it's unofficial i guess.


have a great day!
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here's the new date , unfortunately that means no newport for us :(

the folks festival lineup august 15-17, 2003
planet bluegrass
lyons, colorado


=e2=80=a2 <a href=3d"http://www.gregbrown.org/">greg brown</a>


=e2=80=a2 <a href=3d"http://www.vancegilbert.com/">vance gilbert</a>


=e2=80=a2 <a href=3d"http://www.toddsnider.com/">todd snider</a>


=e2=80=a2 <a href=3d"http://www.dansheridan.com/">dan sheridan</a>


=e2=80=a2 <a href=3d"http://www.norahjones.com/">norah jones


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=e2=80=a2 <a href=3d"http://www.utahphillips.com/">utah phillips


</a>=e2=80=a2 <a href=3d"http://www.richardjulian.com/">richard julian</a>


=e2=80=a2 <a href=3d"http://www.lorax.org/maggie">maggie simpson</a>


=e2=80=a2 <a href=3d"http://www.xavierrudd.com/">xavier rudd</a>


=e2=80=a2 <a href=3d"http://www.indigogirls.com/">indigo girls</a>


=e2=80=a2 richard thompson ...so far
   =20


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hmmmm, that would be:


blasters/dave alvin
texas
mary lou lord
bruce springsteen
blondie
go-go's
tracy chapman
maria mckee
otis redding


-scott


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as i mentioned in my previous post, i saw pearl jam last night.  while i
won't get into reviewing the show here, i would like to say that eddie was
very outspoken in his opposition to the war and his support for the troops
themselves.


while he wasn't as articulate and concise as i might have wished, his
repeated emphasis on the importance of our freedom of speech and his
observations of how it's being taken away were very salient.


at the end of the night, he thanked people for coming out and listening to
the music and the stuff he had to say between songs.


they closed the show with a kick ass version of neil young's "rockin' in the
free world."  (which ig also does a great cover of.)


lauren


for those who aren't fond of bush, pj have a great new song, bush leaguer:
born on third
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tune in next tuesday morning (or set your vcrs) for an appearance on good day
atlanta on the newly formed band sugarland!  sugarland consist of kristen
hall, jennifer nettles, kristian bush, simon simonton, bret hartley, clay
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in a message dated 4/2/03 9:58:18 am eastern standard time,
elaine@nobullfitness.co.uk writes:

> i was wondering if anyone can tell me which recordings have ig covering free
> fallin' ? it was mentioned in an earlier post but i can't find it.
>
> i'd really like to hear that....
> thanks
>


actully, if anyone can post where we all can get this mp3.... yummm!


joe
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how could i have missed tori amos, suzanne vega and neil young off my list! and thanks for reminding me about the mighty texas, scott!

peace,
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real quick, because i'm swamped at the moment. and i don't feel picked on, so no worries there...


i started to listen in the mid-late '80s.  i guess those are my credentials as far as fan-dom goes.


my assertion is that the lyrics for their love songs refer specifically to women, whether they say so or not, because they are lesbians.  this bumps up against something i think about a lot, which is that the assumption is always that lyrics, like people, are straight, unless somebody comes out, either lyrically or as a person. (my personal view, incidentally, when people say "it doesn't matter" is that they are operating as though the lyrics are straight without giving them a second thought.)


it seems reasonable that lesbians shouldn't have to run around going "this is about a woman, this is about a woman" because they already have that covered by who they are.  just like garth brooks or somebody doesn't run around declaring his heart is achey breaky for a woman.   the assumption is definitly that garth is not singing about a boy.


so my feeling regarding their love songs is not that they in any way must declare their orientation with "...when the beautiful ladies walk right by, you know i never know quite what to say" in order to make it a "gay" lyric.  it's really that the assumption is reasonable that all their love songs are lesbian lyrics, unless otherwise stated, because the girls themselves are.


on the flip side. or some other side. i love lots of love songs that are written by and about straight couples and that in no way detracts or really impacts my appreciation of the songs or the feelings that drive those songs.  i know there are straight men and women out there who hear the igs songs, recognize these are songs of longing for women, and share the feelings anyways.   because they are universal feelings, yeah. of course.


maybe in some way the issue is the closet.  and this is where it gets political.  that unless people declare and declare themselves, it's so easy to pretend that we're not here.  well i don't want that, and i certainly want our youth to know there are lots of great role models, lots of great citizens, and even some good musicians coasting along the edge of the mainstream who are les/bi/gay. when the singer is les/bi/gay, we're entitled to the assumption that the song is, too. and those songs? those love songs? they're about people like us.


but maybe that's too much to hope for in most cases.
i'm sure you folks will let me know.
cheers,
kristen

sprdinosur@aol.com wrote:


>in a message dated 4/1/03 11:38:10 am eastern standard time,
>kz1231@netscape.net writes:
>
>
>> i have been reading some of the comments here, but i really don't understand
>> the folks who love the girls but don't relate to their politics. their
>> politics are central to virtually every song they do that's not a love
>> song, and considering they are lesbians, central to every song they do that
>> is a love song.
>>
>> amy ray has routinely used "here's to the motherfucking revolution" as a
>> signature.  they are all about their politics and if the lyrics are given
>> any substance at all, how can that message be anything but in your face?
>>
>
>ummm... then i think you either became a fan post so, or you're not really
>listening.
>
>you find me one gay and or political song from indigo girls, or strage fire
>or nomads... i think if i get right down to it.... they didn't make a single
>political comment 'till amy sang "this train" on so.
>
>then they started to get a bit more preachy. but kristin.... no no my dear,
>it was years before they started making noise on their cd's. before then, it
>was all philosophy and life enthuseasm, it was becoming an guardian angel
>taking the soul she had been watching over to heaven. it was songs of hope
>about getting through lifes strugles. they were folk singers who were not
>granola-eating, tree hugging, hippies. (thanks sabrina!)  they were (are)
>minstrals. they are wisdom.
>
>i never heard a single 'gay' lyric until amy said "...when the beautiful
>girls walk right by, you know i never know what to say" ....anyone wanna back
>me up on this one?
>
>ghost, love will come to you, you left it up to me, strange fire, blood and
>fire, laungage or the kiss, deconstruction, moment of forgivness!!!!! ....my
>god. can anyone find one gay lyric in those songs? i'll take a secrete 'gay
>community' special code if you got one. i dont' think there is.
>
>kristin, which love song do you hear gay lyrics in?
>
>everyone is entitled to an opinon... but you are simply wrong on this matter.
>
>
>cons... yes tons of political and gay songs there, like "trouble" very gay,
>"it's alright" very gay, "bury my heart" very political (not their song), and
>plenty of stuff from stag, but again... all of these songs are post so.
>
>i'm curious, when did you start to listen... or am i wrong? i would love to
>know what gay and or political lyrics are in any song pre-so... i offer that
>for anyone, i'm not picking on kristin.
>
>joe
>manhattan,ny

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i spend most of a sk show "checking out" carrie
brownstein! yowza!!!


putting lust aside, they are a wonderful band. time
magazine said a few years ago that they were the best
band in the us and they still live up to that
reputation. i agree..if you like the butchies you will
probably like sk. (their biggest hit was "all hands on
the bad one", which may ring a few bells.)


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mirinda,


killer, absoulte killer stuff... great off the top of your head stuff...


everyone, way to be on top of this topic.. however...


>>>okay, in strange fire amy says:
mercenaries of the shrine, who are you to speak for god? with haughty eyes and lying tongues and hands that shed innocent blood. who delivered you the
power to interpret calvary? you gamble away our freedom to gain your own authority>>>>


it's a political lyric... strange fire is not a political song. mercenaries of the shrine... that's pretty vague, i see the point of this verse... but that's not the point of strange fire. it doesn't concern an issue, it doesn't concern a movement...and i don't know, i think that we're going to find the basais of what we are discussing has different interpetations...


a political song needs to have a message, an issue, an agenda. 'bury my heart" has a message, "scooter boys" has a message "this train" has a message. these songs are political songs ... "let it be me"... yeah, that works too (and is pre-so)


many of you bring up "left me a fool" and say... "once i came out, i see where it can be a closet song"


...well not for nothing, if you're looking for something, you can find it. a perfect example of that is the song by survivor... "how can i convience you, what you see is real.. who am i to blame you, for doubting what you feel?"


now, with those lyrics, who can really tell me it's not song by a woman with breast implants to her lover?


those lyrics in "left me a fool"... i will never blow your cover... heck, what stops that song from being about a torid assignation. you need to know they are gay to see that there.
"trouble" is a gay song. "it's alright" you don't have to be gay, and you don't have to have read the faq to know it's about, or sung from a gay perspective.


with 123... "i understand your causes, sympathize the motivation. but all the details of this war are just self-infatuation"


political? the word war is in it... churches are mentioned in "feed the birds" from mary poppins, and that's not a religious song. that 'war' could be the battles of life, and things you 'waste' your time on.


i do not. think that if a song has one lyric or verse that 'fits' into a song, i don't think that song becomes political. i will go on record saying that a political songs need an agenda, and self growth is not an agenda.


>>>>you and me of the 10,000 wars emily says:
the evil ego and the vice of pride is there ever anything else that makes us take our different sides? i wanted everything to feed me. about as full as i got was of myself and the upper echalons of mediocrity after the battle and we're still around everything once up in the air has settled down sweep the ashes let the silence find us
a moment of peace is worth every war behind us.>>>>>


again, the mention of the a war... this song is very easy to be completly self-growth. more analyzation later if anyone wants it.


someone posted an faq about amy saying that j&e was a political song... i guess it's downright impossible to argue with the writer about what her song is about, but serisously here folks... if it weren't for that faq, would anyone know what that songs about? kind of like "sajara" from 'world falls'. again, if not for the faq, we all wonder who "sajara" is.


mike r made a comment about feeling left a fool after a gay relationship ended... well not for nothing dude, but straight people can be left fools in relationships too. the gay community does not have a monopoly on that one.


>>>ghost - in some ways it is very politcal - i dunno - cant even explain>>>
ummm...no. there isn't a less political song in the history of song writing. this is a love song. discussion over.


>>>blood and fire seems like a suicide note - to me emotion can = politics >>>
all i can say is that you have one heck of a criteria for what you consider politicics.


>>>let it be me, world falls, pushing the needle seem like get off your ass and do something with your life songs >>>
i agree with world falls... i'd almost let someone tell me that pushing the needle -  "a queen who closed the door..." has gay undertones.


someone brought up joking... the line "..i would of been your brother" there is a gender bender going on, but again, a brother can be a really close friend...


who was it, one of you brought up "get together". a complete and total freedom rock tune right there, so i'd be a total as* to say that ain't political, but when i listen to them, i don't hear the message, i saw their choice to do that song as a harmony selection. but i'd gladly conceed that to be a political song.


tom m. said that once he realized that amy was gay in j&e (which i don't see in that song)he saw "love's recovery" in a different light... i don't care if it's a light from a rainbow colored light bulb, less then nothing about that song makes any gay refrences. you're digging there.


g flamer agreed with me, and that made me feel good =)
but again "...as specks of dust were universal" the line is universal not unisexual. loves recovery is about killing small animals with a pitchfork before its' about being gay.


i love you all! thanks for being a part of this thread.


joe
manhattan,ny


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take this stuff off my hands, will ya?  i really really don't want to learn
how to use ebay.


1. ig shed your skin tshirt.  short sleeve, dusty blue, xl.  never been
washed (or worn, for that matter).


2. kristen hall, fact and fiction.  cassette.  daemon, 1992.


3. rock*a*teens, selftitled.  cd.  daemon, 1996.


4. lift, stellar.  cd.  lyric moon, 1996.


5. the roches, we three kings.  cd.  mca, 1990.


6. loudon wainwright iii, social studies.  cd.  rykodisc, 1999.


7. voices on the verge, live in philadelphia.  cd.  ryko/slow river, 2001.


8.  ten million or so catie curtis posters that nobody will freaking claim
already.


name your price, send your selfaddressedstampedpackaging, do it asap and
it's yours.


jill


p.s. mike reynolds-- i have [had for like nine months] some cds for you..
you gonna claim them or what, mister?  ;)

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well, i've been an on-and-offer since 1995 when people were chatting on the
indigo-girls channel on dalnet or efnet or whatever it was. and i knew
about the bbs.  just didn't get involved in it.  crikey.  well, i guess i'm
just sentimental. :)


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i have put the song free fallin' from the 3-11-91 charlotte, nc show on o=
ne of those *very small* cdrs and will send it to anyone who has a websit=
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okay, remember a couple of days ago someone sent a fake apology from the
dixie chicks?  i loved it and wanted to send it to someone who just sent me
a terrible e-mail about natalie.  but alas, i deleted it.  does anyone still
have this that they can send to me?


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hey all...


in the intro to "sister" on the "live at the fillmore" dvd, amy mentions that
this song is about a scarey motorcycle ride...


can anyone here elaborate on this?  does amy ride, and if so, what kind of
bike i.e. sport bike or cruiser?  does she belong to any riding groups,
possibly the atlanta chapter of "dykes on bikes"??


if this is too "personal", keep it off the list and e-me privately!!


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"you know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy,
the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the nba is chinese, the
swiss hold the america's cup, france is accusing the us of arrogance,
germany doesn't want to go to war, and the 3 most powerful men in
america are named 'bush', 'dick', and 'colon'"


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there is someplace that has a piece of an interview or a backstory about
that - but i can't remember where/what - lifeblood might be able to tell you


hmmmmmmmmm it's not even safe to fantasize about her on a motorcycle w/out
me on the back, gotta catch a cold shower. ;^)


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subject:      re: nigc - spoof dixie chicks apology
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by the way, the madison city council is voting on a resolution to adopt the
dixie chicks.  they are playing their music between sessions.  the council
suggests a new name of the dairyland chicks.
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sheryl jones
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felidae@charter.net
http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~sljones1


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hi all,


since someone requested the lyrics to this song and they're nowhere to
be found online, i transcribed them and put them up on my site.


http://www.indigogirls.de/downloads/track50.htm


any corrections (if someone has the cd booklet or whatever) are
welcome.


the very little igc here:
the girls picked this song as a part of their playlist during the "on the
tracks" interview on german radio last year.


the mp3 of the song is also up on my site:
http://www.indigogirls.de/downloads/onthetracks.htm

be well,
kathrin


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my girlfriend and i have had this discussion in the past, she always says
"how can you support the idea of the death penalty, and still love the song
faye tucker?" my response is a simple one: i love ig music, but i don't have
to agree w/ every political view that they have! i do support a military
action in iraq, for a host of reasons i won't get into, i watched a biography
special that led me believe the leonard pelliter was guilty, and i am sorry,
but i will continue to drive my suv. there are so many other causes that ig
support that i'm also in favor of, they do an incredible amount of charity
work, and have so much to be proud of from a humanitarian aspect. but my
agreeing w/ them politically doesn't make me their best friend, just
disagreeing w/ them does not make me their enemy, it makes me exactly what i
was before this political discussion came up; a huge fan and supporter of
indigo girls, and there music. i have to say i also thank god we have that
piece of paper granting us the "constitutional right" to say what we feel,
support what we believe in, and the also the right to disagree w/ out having
to be killed for having an opinion different from the majority.


god bless...


janet


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in a message dated 3/31/03 6:32:16 pm eastern standard time,
neil@andineil.com writes:


<< <<so for people who don't take politics into account when buying music, how
much money would an artist have to donate to a cause you disagreed with
before you stopped giving them money?>> >>


i think it is very important to stand up for what you believe in, and
placing your money in the right hands is extremely important. i think
disagreeing w/ an artist
and there opinion is fine, and in fact very natural process in life, and i
don't think that should affect your support of them. but if what an artist
says and does is so totally against what you stand for and believe in, and
does in fact offend you, then i think you should exercise your right and your
judgment to not support that artist,or instituation, just like i would rather
push my truck then get gas from an exxon station, i will pay$ 9.99 for toilet
paper at my local grocery store rather that go to wal- mart, and i would
watch all the police academy movies over and over and over before ever giving
spike lee another penny of my money.....we have power people we just choose
to use it in different ways, i believe "hit em' in the wallet" every one
understands that.


janet


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hi all,


does anybody happen to have a boot of the girls' show from
august 6th 2001 at the bethlehem musikfest, pa?


if so, please drop me a line, maybe we can work out a trade:).


take care,
kathrin


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well done janet!

i love faye tucker too. actully .... now that i started the statement, let me
finish it.. i love song, hate the way amy says "leeeeever" and can not stand,
in fact will fast forward past to get to "philosophy of loss" that end part
with the indian girl singing that inaudible melodicly void high pitch slop at
the end of it.


but over all, i love rocking out to it and i love it live.


joe
manhattan,ny


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in a message dated 4/5/03 9:22:27 am eastern standard time, emliz92@aol.com
writes:

> i will pay$ 9.99 for toilet
> paper at my local grocery store rather that go to wal- mart,


that better be some damn soft tp!!!


but i ask... why the do we hate wal-mart so much? i live in nyc, we don't
have wal-mart here. please inform


joe
manhattan,ny


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from a maine perspective, we hate wal-mart because they've been trying to put a new superstore (mind you, we already have a walmart less than 1/2 a mile away) very close to a fragile marsh area that is home to a number of endangered species that could easily be wiped out as a result.....i do think that it's finally been defeated though
joe agueci <sprdinosur@aol.com> wrote:in a message dated 4/5/03 9:22:27 am eastern standard time, emliz92@aol.com
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> i will pay$ 9.99 for toilet
> paper at my local grocery store rather that go to wal- mart,


that better be some damn soft tp!!!


but i ask... why the do we hate wal-mart so much? i live in nyc, we don't
have wal-mart here. please inform


joe
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i have two big reasons for hating wal mart.  the first one is more important to me, personally:


1. wal mart refuses to carry the morning after pill in their pharmacies.  for women who live in rural areas where wal mart is the only pharmacy within miles, that is a horrible disadvantage.


2. wal mart pushes the smaller, independent stores out of business.


wal mart is generally a conservative owned and run store.  i have not shopped there since their decision not to carry the morning after pill (emergancy contraceptive).


:-) karen


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hey all,


does anyone have pictures/audio/video from the indigo girls' performance on
sunday, august 9, 1998?  anything would be greatly appreciated.  i am
especially interested in the finale of closer to fine.


thanks so much,
erica


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indigokare wrote:


"i have two big reasons for hating wal mart.  the first one is more important
to me, personally:..."

i have one reason.....  they edit the cd's that they sell, if they find them
offensive.  the record companies let them do this, because wal-mart is one
ofthe largest distributors of music these days...


the last time i went there specifically to buy a cd, i was looking for sheryl


crowes' latest (at that time).  i couldn't find it, so i asked an associate
if they had it.  he told me that wal-mart was refusing to sell the cd because


one song made reference to someone shooting someone with a gun bought at
wal-mart.  i asked the associate if they sold guns, and he happily pointed me


to the sporting goods department.


wanna have some fun in wal-mart?  grab a handfull of condom packs, and stroll


around the store dropping them in shoping carts when people aren't looking.
childish, i know, but had a hoot doing it!!


~~robin


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subject: re: why i hate wal-mart nigc


i also saw a show like dateline, or 48hrs,where wal-mart refused to sell any
cds with explicit lyrics because they claimed that they were a family store.
meanwhile they were caught selling a gun to a 14 yr old through a hidden
camera. also anybody else been in there when they offer the free butcher
knives. plus being where they were located, that wasn't such a bright idea.


unfortunately, i used to work for sam's club witch is a wal-mart company.
all their "nice" little resource letters that are posted upon the walls like
letters from the wildlife conservation thanking them for their donations.
little do they know that the wild birds that get trapped in the store are
shot and killed and the mice are caught in a glue trap eating their legs
off.


maybe i'm just getting carried away but i just don't think shit like that is
right.


indigokare wrote:


"i have two big reasons for hating wal mart.  the first one is more
important
to me, personally:..."

i have one reason.....  they edit the cd's that they sell, if they find them
offensive.  the record companies let them do this, because wal-mart is one
ofthe largest distributors of music these days...


the last time i went there specifically to buy a cd, i was looking for
sheryl


crowes' latest (at that time).  i couldn't find it, so i asked an associate
if they had it.  he told me that wal-mart was refusing to sell the cd
because


one song made reference to someone shooting someone with a gun bought at
wal-mart.  i asked the associate if they sold guns, and he happily pointed
me


to the sporting goods department.


wanna have some fun in wal-mart?  grab a handfull of condom packs, and
stroll


around the store dropping them in shoping carts when people aren't looking.
childish, i know, but had a hoot doing it!!


~~robin


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hi all,
i have seen a few posts about why everyone hates wal - mart so much, and
much of the same applies to my reasoning, but i must be honest it was not the
threat of them putting the small business man out of business, or even the
fact that they censor the music they sell, not the fact that you can buy semi
automatic weapons in some states at a wal - mart, or even the fact that some
wal - marts pharmacies won't fill birth control prescriptions, oh no my
reason is far more gruesome than any of those.......it is puppies!! that is
right, i said puppies! i rescued a beautiful baby terrier from my vet, and
for those of you who live in the north east you can attest to the colder than
ever temperatures we had this winter (and are still having), well, this
little baby pup, and her siblings who were born on a porch in the freezing
cold and had never been brought into the house were sure to freeze to death
if someone hadn't reported the jackass who breed them, well anyway i went and
got the pup for my brother, and needed all the necessary supplies, so the
closest store happened to be wal - mart, and so i brought the puppy in the
store w/ me, she couldn't stay in the car, it was freezing, and she was very
scared! so i put her in my jacket, and ran in to grab, a dish, some food, a
leash, and hot water bottle, and an alarm clock so baby could rest easier.
well, while i was making my way to the register a man stopped me and said, i
am sorry ma'am we don't allow dogs in here, and i said, i know, and i am
sorry i just adopted her, and she needs a few things, it is way to cold to
leave her in the car, i am on my out now, and he (very rudely, i may add)
said well, after you make those purchases i will have to demand that you
leave the store immediately, and so i asked if he really thought that i would
hang around wal - mart w/ my puppy after i had made the purchases? and then i
told him as a matter of fact he could stuff his purchase, and i would never
again go on wal- mart, and i have in fact not gone in ever since! so that is
why i hate wal- mart, and for the record the puppy's name is jewel, and she
is blind in one eye, and couldn't be cuter, and she is very happy to be
living wal - mart free.....


janet


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hey y'all!


i recently posted regarding the song "sister" and the reference to
motorcycling made by amy on the "live at the fillmore" release.


i have been on this list for years, and it has become my habit to not read
every post after tiring of some of the subjects.  but since posting recently,
i have noticed that a lot of responses are being made under a subject line
from a previous post or subject, ie wal-mart posts under the subject line
"politics and ig" and not the original subject line of "why i hate wal-mart
nigc".


here i was thinking that only one person had responded to my post re "sister"
and mc's, and it just could be that i have deleted them all because i was
tired of reading gripes about "politics and ig"!


am i bad for not at least opening every post??  maybe this is my punishment!!


btw.. if you did respond to the "sister and motorcycles" post under a
different subject line, would you mind e-mailing me personally with your
response????  i am still curious about the remarks amy made about riding...


~~robin


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walmart has a well document history of discrimination against it's female employees, in addition to it's disrupting the economies of many small towns .  
i believe one state - new hampshire maybe?? - even tried a few years ago to enact legislation to ban walmart type stores.


diane
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the next big (legal) thing?
brad seligman is spearheading a lawsuit against america's largest private employer, charging it with discrimination against its female workers. wal-mart never bargained for this.
from: issue 69 | april 2003, page 112 by: chuck salter photographs by: debra mcclinton
it's the world's largest retailer and this country's largest private employer. and wal-mart tops another category as well: it faces more lawsuits than any other company in the united states -- some 5,000 in 2000, according to usa today. brad seligman has only one suit against wal-mart, but it is by far the most significant. if he's successful, he could dramatically change the company that sam walton built. in fact, that's the plan.
seligman is the lead attorney on a sex-discrimination class action against wal-mart. the suit alleges that wal-mart systematically mistreats its women in a variety of ways. it says that women at wal-mart often earn less than their male counterparts, even though women may have more experience or outrank men. it also says that wal-mart prevents women from advancing by denying them training, prohibiting them from working in departments that are traditionally staffed with men (which often pay more), and not posting all management openings, undermining women's ability to apply. the result, says seligman, is a company in which women make up more than 70% of hourly sales employees but just 10% of store managers. wal-mart denies the allegations. "we have said from the beginning that we have a strict antidiscrimination policy, so it would be against company policy to discriminate against women or anybody else," says bill wertz, a spokesman at headquarters in bentonville, arkansas. "that's what is at issue: whether we're implementing our policy properly."


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ever read _nickel and dimed_?  there's more than enough reasons in there.


marginal igc: rose polenzani used to have a bumper sticker that read
"mal*wart: your source for cheap plastic crap."


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i was going through my ig memorablilia and found a duplicate copy of a magazine that i'm offering to anyone who's interested:


-the july/august, 1998 issue of performing songwriter, where a&e are on the cover


inside, there's a great collection of photos, some by list member amy putnam (some from nff)


a 6 page article, which includes interviews and a "required listening" cd list for each one


if interested, i'd ask for the cost of the magazine ($4.95) plus shipping to you


email me privately:


rgcs1123@aol.com


thanks
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thought you all could use a smile or two...


peace,
tim


why did the chicken cross the road?


this is perhaps how some famous and infamous would answer this question:


george w. bush we don't really care why the chicken crossed the road. we
just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road or not. the
chicken is either with us or it is against us. there is no middle ground
here.


colin powell now at the left of the screen, you clearly see the satellite


image of the chicken crossing the road.


hanz blix we have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we have not
yet
been allowed access to the other side of the road.


mohammed aldouri (iraq ambassador) the chicken did not cross the road.
this  is a complete fabrication. we don't even have a chicken.


saddam hussein this was an unprovoked act of rebellion and
we were quite justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it


ralph nader the chicken's habitat on the original side of the road had
been
polluted by unchecked industrialist greed.  the chicken did not reach the


unspoiled habitat on the other side of the road because it was crushed by


the wheels of a gas-guzzling suv.


pat buchanan to steal a job from a decent, hard-working american.


rush limbaugh i don't know why the chicken crossed the road, but i'll bet
it
was getting a government grant to cross the road, and i'll bet someone
out
there is already forming a support group to help chickens with
crossing-the-road syndrome. can you believe this? how much more of this
can
real americans take? chickens crossing the road paid for by their tax
dollars, and when i say tax dollars, i'm talking about your money, money
the
government took from you to build roads for chickens to cross.


martha stewart no one called to warn me which way that chicken was going.
i had a standing order at the farmer's market to sell my eggs when the
price dropped to a certain level. no little bird gave me any insider
information.


jerry falwell because the chicken was gay! isn't it obvious? can't you
people see the plain truth in front of your face? the chicken was going
to
the other side. that's what they call it-the other side. yes, my friends,


that chicken is gay. and, if you eat that chicken, you will become gay
too.
i say we boycott all chickens until we sort out this abomination that the


liberal media whitewashes with seemingly harmless phrases like the other
side.


dr. seuss did the chicken cross the road? did he cross it with a toad?
yes,
the chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed, i've not been told!


ernest hemingway to die. in the rain. alone.


martin luther king, jr. i envision a world where all chickens will be
free
to cross roads without having their motives called into question.


grandpa in my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road.
someone told us that the chicken crossed the road, and that was good
enough for us.


barbara walters isn't that interesting? in a few moments we will be
listening to the chicken tell, for the first time, the heart-warming
story
of how it experienced a serious case of molting and went on to accomplish


its life-long dream of crossing the road.


john lennon imagine all the chickens crossing roads in peace.


aristotle it is the nature of chickens to cross the road.


voltaire i may not agree with what the chicken did, but i will defend to
the
death its right to do it.


ronald reagan what chicken?


sigmund freud the fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken
crossed the road reveals your underlying sexual insecurity.


bill gates i have just released echicken 2003, which will not only cross
roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your


checkbook - and internet explorer is an inextricable part of echicken.


albert einstein did the chicken really cross the road or did the road
move
beneath the chicken?


bill clinton i did not cross the road with that chicken.  what do you
mean
by chicken? could you define chicken, please?


colonel sanders i missed one?


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i need a place to stay when i go to northfield show this
thursday....could somebody please
email me and tell me where i can call for lodging? i would like to call
and make reservations ahead of time...like today or tomorrow.


but still if you have any suggestions at a later date like weds. you can
still feelfree to contact me as i may not have found anything.


peace
barb

stop the war on iraqi people! finding a
peaceful solution does not involve doing nothing.


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happy birthday y feliz cumplean~os to the following listees! :)


april 8, ('77)
spinsker@goucher.edu (sarah pinsker)


special request (from patricia mckeough <campgurl@yahoo.com>)
april 8
lesley "didge" ruthven (littlecanoegirl@hotmail.com)
"we're standing at opposite poles, equal partners in a mystery."


april 10 ('70)
seaphish@aol.com (sheri)
"...there i am in younger days, star gazing, painting picture perfect
maps of how my life and love would be, not counting the unmarked
paths of
misdirection,
my compass, faith in love's perfection, i missed ten million miles of
road i should have seen..."


april 12 ('64)
igfan@rcam.com (amy ray)
"when the beautiful ladies walk right by, you know i never know what
to say..."


april 12
bon parks
bonster@drizzle.com


april 12
lisa (memememi@aol.com)


april 13
melanie - raincloud@partlycloudy.com
passivity is the dragon each woman must slay in her quest for
independence.


april 13
sandy (mgsb@aol.com)

have fun and be safe!

love and devotion,
audra
bge

"when i say 'i will be true to you' i am drawing a quiet space
beyond the reach of other desires.  no-one can legislate love;
it cannot be given orders or cajoled into service.  love belongs
to itself, deaf to pleading and unmoved by violence.  love is
not something you can negotiate.  love is the one thing stronger
than desire and the only proper reason to resist temptation."
         -- jeanette winterson, _written on the body_ (p. 77-78)


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amy ray  here's to the motherfuckin' chicken revolution!


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here's an old ig joke...


what do you call a chicken crossing the road?

poultry in motion


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i don't know who was quickest on the trigger to snag heather's package #3 of
t-shirts, but i just wanted to say that if you'd be willing to part with
either of the following, i'd be very interested:
$6- white nomads indians saints shirt. xl. never worn.
$4- maroon swamp ophelia t-shirt with the water bird on the front. used but
good condition. xl.


(i bought both of them on the original tours and have worn them regularly
since the '90 and '94 tours, respectively.)


lauren


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>with the indian girl singing that inaudible melodicly void high pitch slop
>at
>the end of it.
wow. that's like my favorite part of the song. really, it gives me chills.


tom m.
"i will climb the ridge at daybreak,
i will kiss the sky at noon,
raise my yearning voice at midnight
to my mother in the moon."
dave carter, "when i go"


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for those of you who are lucinda fans...=20
starbuck's has an artist's choice cd for lucinda:  it has songs that she =
likes on it by other artists.  definately one to check out.


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