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date:         tue, 8 apr 2003 09:26:44 -0400
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i thought that with the discussions of war lately on the list, that this =
might be an interesting piece to share with you.  take from it what you =
will.   delete if you wish. =20


peace,
jen
ps.  i don't know what the funky symbols are, but i didn't want to =
delete anything from it as this is how it came to me.


combing the snakes out of atotarho=c3=a2=e2=82=ac=e2=84=a2s haira=20


transformation from war to peace=20


both the charter of the united nations and the constitution of the=20
united states of america are founded on the haudenosaunee=20
(iroquois) great law of peace. we, the carriers of the=20
haudenosaunee traditions consider it our duty to remind the world=20
of the basic principles and spirit of the great law for bringing=20
peace and harmony to human relations.=20


in our teachings, there was a man named atotarho. atotarho is=20
described as a powerful evil man who spread fear and death=20
everywhere he went =c3=a2=e2=82=ac=e2=80=9c visually he is represented =
with snakes=20
coming out of his head and as having a crooked and misshapen body.=20
he was a cannibal, a sorcerer who killed and maimed people for=20
his pleasure and caused dissention, exploiting people to feed his=20
own selfish greed. the world was at war. sound familiar?=20


long before the europeans came to north america, two men ,=20
dekanawida and ayonwatha taught the warring nations about the=20
great law of peace which brought peace and established the=20
confederation of five nations. over 200 nations allied themselves=20
with the confederacy and accepted the terms of equality and peace.=20


how did dekanawida and ayonwatha straighten atotarho out and comb=20
the snakes out of his hair?=20


when dekanawida was trying to bring peace to the warring nations=20
by forming the confederacy and showing people how to work=20
together, he had trouble convincing the onondaga to join because=20
they were lead by atotarho. atotarho enjoyed the power and fear=20
he put into people.=20


dekanawida and ayonwatha sang him a song to help him calm down.=20
they massaged his aching, crooked body and then started to gently=20
comb the snakes out of his hair. as they did so, they taught him=20
about the great law of peace.=20


dekanawida and ayonwatha worked gently and with great patience.=20
as atotarho began to relax, he was transformed and became=20
straight, strong and whole again. atotarho, after he was=20
pacified, became head of the grand council of the haudenosaunee=20
confederacy. atotarho learned the ohenton kariwateken, the words=20
of thanksgiving that come before any gathering of the people. as=20
the began to understand his place in the universe =
=c3=a2=e2=82=ac=e2=80=9c a universe=20
where everything and all people are interconnected and equal - he=20
could no longer exploit the fears of others.=20


instead of removing him from any position of power in the new=20
confederacy, he was given the opportunity to act as chairman,=20
listening to everything everyone else had to say and presiding=20
over discussions. he acted as a peacemaker and diplomat,=20
listening to all the positions carried from the people by their=20
representatives. he made sure that relations were conducted in a=20
friendly and respectful manner. this position still exists in the=20
modern day confederacy.=20


in this position, he does not represent anybody or any nation.=20
he does not force others to follow his way. he is a mediator for=20
all of the nations and for the great law of peace. it is=20
understood that because he had been so crooked to begin with, he=20
understood the opposition and imbalance that could occur among=20
people.=20


the person who sits in atotarho=c3=a2=e2=82=ac=e2=84=a2s place cannot be =
in two=20
canoes at once - that of war and that of peace - he would fall=20
into the river. their paths naturally go in opposite directions.=20
atotarho realizes that if you have everything, you have nothing.=20
he knows the importance of keeping balance within the circle where=20
everyone is equal.=20


where is our atotarho today? is there anyone who knows how to comb=20
the snakes out of the hair of our most recalcitrant warring=20
leaders so we can have peace? have we forgotten the lessons of the=20
past? why is america at war?=20


we are all like atotarho. we are living in a time of violence and=20
destruction. we all have snakes in our hair. our minds are=20
crooked and we are wasting our energies. but we all have power.=20
we have the power to look after each other, to comb the snakes=20
from each other's hair, to straighten aching bodies and to learn=20
the soothing songs of peace.=20


there is no need to go back to the time before atotarho learned=20
the great law of peace. we must bring back the principles that=20
atotarho learned.=20


we must not be afraid. we must take on the responsibility of=20
making sure that all people are cared for. we must give up our=20
positions of dominance and remember our connectedness to all=20
people and all things. we must remember the small condolence=20
where we wipe our eyes with the softest cloth so we can look at=20
reality. we must take an eagle feather and gently wipe our ears=20
so we can listen and hear what is really being said. we must=20
drink pure water to soothe our rasping throats so our words are=20
soft and clear, without sharp edges.=20


we must ask ourselves, are we ready to hear the message of=20
deganawida? are we strong enough to learn from the past? surely=20
we have suffered enough. the mountains are cracking. the rivers=20
are boiling. the fish are turning with their bellies up. we must=20
leave the millennia of death and destruction behind. we can link=20
our hands together in peace. we have the united nations already,=20
let's use it!=20


we can make the world safe and beautiful for everyone. the=20
indigenous spirit can come back. our brothers and sisters from all=20
parts of the world can teach us. we can burn our good medicines=20
and call on creation, so deganawida=c3=a2=e2=82=ac=e2=84=a2s message =
returns like a=20
light from the east. we can respect each others=c3=a2=e2=82=ac=e2=84=a2 =
differences and=20
live in harmony together.=20


now is the time for us to take responsibility for our future and=20
the future generations. we must use our voices and speak up!=20
act out! we are not powerless. we have to let people know that=20
we all have the power to do something about this conflict and=20
misunderstanding!=20


kahn-tineta horn, kanienkehaka (mohawk) mother,=20
grandmotherkahente horn-miller,=20
kanienkehaka (mohawk) motherkaronhioko=c3=a2=e2=82=ac=e2=84=a2he,=20
daughterkokowa,=20
daughtergrace lix-xiu woo,=20
aunt, sister, allyekiyan, mi=c3=a2=e2=82=ac=e2=84=a2kmaq son,=20


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date:         tue, 8 apr 2003 08:38:12 -0700
reply-to:     susan@rocketstop.com
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subject:      no indigo girls at the pier in seattle this summer
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summer nights has announced their concert schedule & it does not
include indigo girls this year. <br> <br>
<span class=sm>friday, 6/20, 7:00 pm  $35 </span><br><strong>john
hiatt & the goners with special guest loudon wainwright
iii</a></strong> <br> <br>
<span class=sm>saturday, 6/21, 7:00 pm  $50
</span><br><strong>chris isaak</strong> <br> <br>
<span class=sm>sunday, 6/22, 7:00 pm  $50 </span><br><strong>chris
isaak</strong> <br> <br>
<span class=sm>thursday, 6/26, 7:00 pm  $42
</span><br><strong>lyle lovett & his large band</strong> <br> <br>
<span class=sm>friday, 6/27, 7:00 pm  $42 </span><br><strong>lyle
lovett & his large band</strong> <br> <br>
<span class=sm>thursday, 7/3, 7:00 pm  $33 </span><br><strong>joan
armatrading with special guest kim richey (solo acoustic)</a></strong>
<br> <br>
<span class=sm>friday, 7/4, 8:00 pm  $17 </span><br><strong>united
we funk all-stars featuring dazz band and the barkays</a></strong> <br> <br>
<span class=sm>saturday, 7/5, 8:00 pm  $24
</span><br><strong>aloha live featuring willie k. and amy hanaiali'i
gilliom with special guest ernie cruz jr.</a></strong> <br> <br>
<span class=sm>monday, 7/7, 7:00 pm  $44 </span><br><strong>steve
winwood</strong> <br> <br>
<span class=sm>wednesday, 7/9, 7:00 pm  $60
</span><br><strong>melissa etheridge</strong> <br> <br>
<span class=sm>friday, 7/18, 8:00 pm  $36 </span><br><strong>ani
difranco (solo acoustic)</a></strong> <br> <br>
<span class=sm>saturday, 7/19, 8:00 pm  $75 </span><br><strong>the
doors featuring ray manzarek, robby krieger & ian astbury</a></strong>
<br> <br>
<span class=sm>friday, 7/25, 8:00 pm  $43
</span><br><strong>india.arie</strong> <br> <br>
<span class=sm>thursday, 8/7, 7:00 pm  $35
</span><br><strong>george thorogood & the destroyers/booker t. &
the mg's</strong> <br> <br>
<span class=sm>saturday, 8/16, 8:00 pm  $40 </span><br><strong>the
beach boys</strong> <br> <br>
<span class=sm>sunday, 8/17, 7:00 pm  $33 </span><br><strong>joe
cocker</strong> <br> <br>
<span class=sm>saturday, 8/23, 7:00 pm  $53
</span><br><strong>earth, wind & fire</strong> <br> <br>
<span class=sm>sunday, 8/24, 7:00 pm  $53
</span><br><strong>earth, wind & fire</strong> <br> <br>
<span class=sm>monday, 8/25, 7:00 pm  $32 </span><br><strong>buddy
guy/los lobos</strong> <br>


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date:         tue, 8 apr 2003 09:24:36 -0700
reply-to:     bonster <bonster@drizzle.com>
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subject:      re: no indigo girls at the pier in seattle this summer
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however, there is still a chunk of open space around the time they usually
play each year: july 10-17, so you never know!


:)


bon


(working on optimism)

on tue, 8 apr 2003, s. b. -------- original message wrote:


> summer nights has announced their concert schedule & it does not include
> indigo girls this year.
>
> wednesday, 7/9, 7:00 pm  $60
> melissa etheridge


-open space-


>
> friday, 7/18, 8:00 pm  $36
> ani difranco (solo acoustic)
>


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date:         tue, 8 apr 2003 11:46:59 -0700
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<p class=msoplaintext style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="courier
new">i was hopeful the gaps in the schedule would maybe be filled with
some ig dates too, but it's not looking good. </font><br><p class=msoplaintext style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="courier
new"></font> <br><p class=msoplaintext style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="courier
new">from: info [mailto:info@onereel.org] <br>sent: tuesday, april 08,
2003 11:38 am<br>to: susan </font><br><p class=msoplaintext style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="courier
new">subject: re: indigo girls on the pier</font><br><p class=msoplaintext style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt"><?xml:namespace prefix =
o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p><font
face="courier new"> </font></o:p><br><p class=msoplaintext style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="courier
new">we too love having indigo girls at the pier.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>however, they are not on tour
</font><font face="courier new">this summer, so we were unable to book
them. hope you'll join us at the pier </font><font face="courier new">this
summer anyway!<o:p></o:p></font><br>


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date:         tue, 8 apr 2003 15:01:21 -0400
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hi everyone,


i am writing this to fellow canadians on the list - and those =
geographically close-by...
after discussing the situation with some fellow canucks - it appears =
that we are not going to have a concert on the next tour.
so...i am suggesting that we email igfan@mindspring.com and request that =
the girls make the trek north.
i happen to live in toronto but suggest that we all request shows in our =
locales - requests can't hurt!!
if you have other suggestions, please email me privately.
thanks for the space.


tami


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date:         tue, 8 apr 2003 15:09:08 -0400
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i think we need to keep in mind that the upcoming tour is probably
abbreviated to allow time for them to go back into the studios...their next
album is due out sometime in the fall, so i can imagine their tour schedule
will be limited...but that means that there will be a big ol' tour following
the new album's release!


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date:         tue, 8 apr 2003 15:02:19 -0600
reply-to:     catherine <catherineann@mindspring.com>
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subject:      interview with emily, grist magazine
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interesting, given the discussion that's been taking place on this list
lately ...


catherine


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let it be me
an interview with the indigo girls' emily saliers
08 apr 2003 by kathryn schulz


in the lead-up to earth day on april 22, the folk duo indigo girls will hit
the road with native american activist winona laduke for a two-week honor
the earth tour. beginning april 10, grammy award-winners emily saliers and
amy ray will talk -- and sing -- about the connections between the
environment, energy, native american issues, and u.s. foreign and domestic
policy. proceeds from the tour will go to honor the earth's energy justice
initiative to support wind power and other alternative-energy developments
in native communities. grist magazine spoke to saliers about the origins of
her environmental awareness, the life of an artist-activist, her automotive
inclinations, and more.


grist: the indigo girls have developed a reputation for being outspoken
activists on a range of issues. which issue speaks to you most strongly?


emily saliers: it's hard to separate them. we're right in the midst of
getting ready for this honor the earth tour, which is about shifting the
current energy paradigm to one that is more just, with a focus on
alternative and renewable energy. so i'm reading about these native
communities and about personal lives and ways of life that are being so
negatively impacted. it feels just as personal to me as anything else in my
life. so i think our environmentalism with respect to native activism is
probably our primary focus. and then of course i couldn't not say gay
rights; obviously, being gay, this is highly personal and highly motivating.


grist: it makes intuitive sense that you would be active on gay issues,
since they are so personal. but environmentalism and connecting the dots
between native american issues and energy issues -- are those things you've
felt passionate about for a long time, or did they come about through a
conscious process of educating yourself?


saliers: it was kind of a combination, i think. i would say that amy very
early on had a spiritual connection to traditional native ways of life. when
we met winona laduke at an earth day show in 1991 or so, that really changed
everything for us as far as the direction of our environmental activism, and
gave us a paradigm for grassroots activism. we felt that you couldn't really
be an environmentalist without including the native perspective. when you
look at the horrible history of what's happened to native peoples, and also
currently how many coal and uranium deposits native lands sit on, and you
think about the deforestation, and now the prospect of nuclear waste dumping
on yucca mountain, it's clear that all the issues surrounding energy justice
are tied to native issues.


grist: yet environmentalism has had trouble shedding its reputation as the
domain of straight, middle-class, white people -- even though, as you point
out, environmental issues can't be disentangled from the history of how that
dominant culture has oppressed other cultures.


saliers: absolutely, but there are a lot of people who don't make the same
connections. i mean, this has been a decade-long process of educating
ourselves through mentors and travels and experiences and first-hand visits
to reservations and communities and giving a lot of serious thought and
attention to these issues, so you can't necessarily expect people to make
the connections right away.


there's a lot of people who grasp on to what they might stereotypically
think of as "native ways of thinking;" they sort of idolize the traditional
cultures and take from them what they want. but i think it's so important
and gratifying and educational to really look deep into what traditional
cultures stand for, because american culture is so far removed from our ties
to the land, with genetically modified food and meat-processing and mass
marketing of products and gas-guzzling vehicles. we're so removed from where
it all comes from and where it's going to lead us if we don't change.
traditional native communities provide the answers to those questions, and
they provide direction.


grist: energy is frequently seen as this kind of wonky issue, either the
domain of enron executives or of off-the-grid long-haired california
hippies. do you find that people are receptive to rock stars talking about
energy issues, of all things?


saliers: [laughs.] there's resistance to that. we've had press conferences
where someone will stand up and say, "what right do you have to be talking
about this when you're a white girl from georgia signed to epic records?"
our answer to that is something that ralph nader and other leaders have
taught us, which is that it's important to be a citizen, and in order to be
a citizen you have to educate yourself. just because you're not from
someone's neighborhood or community doesn't mean that you can't empathize
and relate to their issues, make the connections to your own issues, and to
national and international issues, and try to be part of the change. but our
fans obviously know that we're activists, they know that we have this long
history of marrying our music with our activism, so they expect it from us.
they're not going to come to a concert and be angry with us for bringing up
native energy issues.


grist: talk to me about that relationship between your activism and your
music.


saliers: amy and i are a very lyric-focused band, obviously, and if these
issues are going on in our lives or are something we're thinking about, then
we're going to end up writing songs about them. some of the songs are
specifically political, like some of the content on shaming of the sun about
the immigrant situation. some of them are a little more ethereal, like
"everything in its own time." "philosophy of loss" is about gay rights and
the church. so these issues, how the church deals with gays and so on,
they're political but they're also very personal to me, and that comes out
in the song. but you know, other times, i just write love songs.


grist: recently there's been something of a backlash against celebrities and
people with a very public voice taking political stands, such as the dixie
chicks being blacklisted from some radio stations and having their cds
burned or bulldozed after expressing opposition to president bush.


saliers: yeah, that troubled me a lot. first thing i thought was, this is
the mccarthy era all over again. we're never that far from it: blacklisting
and book burnings and witch-hunts and knee-jerk patriotism and the vitriolic
response to peace -- the very dark side of the american character. and also
the terrible ignorance that's been achieved by what the spin doctors have
done to make the connection between al qaeda and iraq, so that people who
are pro-war think that they're getting justice for 9/11 by bombing the hell
out of baghdad. all those things came to mind when i heard about the dixie
chicks incident and i was so proud of [band member] natalie [maines]. you
know, i love those guys anyway, they are a great band and really good
people, and i was horrified to hear that this had happened.


this culture has a weird relationship with pop stars and movie stars and all
that. i mean, everybody wants to know what they think and who they're
sleeping with and all that, but if they say something against the president,
then suddenly it's too public, and all hell breaks loose. you can do it, but
the dixie chicks can't, which shows who some of the people are who are
buying their records.


grist: have you and amy experienced any of that kind of backlash?


saliers: boy, they're burning our cds all over the place! it's horrible!
[laughs.] no, we're not big enough; we're not famous enough. we're barely a
blip on the screen of pop culture. we're able to just plod along and speak
our minds and do exactly what we want to do and people either take us or
leave us.


grist: i've heard a lot of people expressing that they don't feel like the
environment is a priority right now, given the international situation. what
would you say to that?


saliers: you know, this is a war about oil and control of resources and
strategic positioning, so there could not be a more important time for
people to understand the connection between bad energy policy and injustice
and violence. there could not be a clearer connection between what's going
on in the environment and what's going on in the middle east. our energy
paradigm is military-industrial; if we counted less on fossil fuels and
turned to alternative energy, we wouldn't have to fight wars over oil. so
it's the perfect time for people to be re-inspired to work against the
current energy policy.


we're all inundated with emails and messages and commercials and products
and so forth, it's crazy how busy our minds are, and i think sometimes we
get overwhelmed. and then it's easy, sometimes, to just look outside the
window -- right now it's a pretty day in atlanta -- and say, "you know, the
environment is fine. i don't need to be thinking about this right now." but
we're headed down a very dark path, and we have to make changes. that's very
clear to me, and it's clear to the native activist mentors who have guided
us, and i believe in their vision.


grist: do you see any signs of hope? do you think we're starting to turn the
corner toward a new kind of energy system?


saliers: oh, boy. i wouldn't say in a very popular, general-public way. i
think it's more like -- i was going to say, "the people in the trenches,"
but i shouldn't use a war term. it's the people who have always seen it,
plus there's education happening little by little. but we need the support
of the government. the dark thing about this administration is that it's not
supporting the things that are going to make everything better, it's
supporting the opposite. but i have hope. i think we can make the change,
and the honor the earth tour is about that. it's about trying to bring to
light some of those issues and make sometimes-complex connections for people
and then believe in it and implement it in your own life.


grist: how do you implement it in your own life?


saliers: well, amy has a hybrid car. i had an suv and i went to a small
station wagon. i love cars, i have to admit, so i've had to rethink my
feelings, and i'm hoping that fuel-cell cars come about quickly, because for
people who like cars, they'll offer a lot of different options. but in the
meantime, i'm going to try to get a car that gets the best gas mileage
possible. and then of course, in our own lives, there's recycling, setting
your thermostat in an appropriate way, getting your compost going. i own a
restaurant with some other people, and we do everything we can to cut waste
and make it efficient. some of it is just about being mindful. americans are
so loath to make small changes, even ones that don't make their lives
uncomfortable and can make a great difference. i'm not perfect, but i do
what i can. and you know, it's a pleasure to do that much.
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kathryn schulz is managing editor of grist.


the article can be found online at
http://www.gristmagazine.org/maindish/ig040803.asp


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hey folks,


forwarded from the news-only list...


cheers,
sherlyn


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[sherlyn's note: i have edited this message to take out some non-ig-relevant
portions...]


p.s. note my new email add'y: msrowan@comcast.net -- thanks!


life is now, plan accordingly....


date: tue, 08 apr 2003 14:20:53 -0400
from: nikki@starpolish.com
subject: 4.8.03 starpolish newsletter -- amy ray from the indigo girls!


--> starpolish interview: amy ray of the indigo girls!


--> indigo girls/junior mountain stage performance airs starting april
11th!


[...]

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starpolish interview: amy ray
http://www.starpolish.com/features/article.asp?id=565
as both one-half of the indigo girls and as a solo artist, amy ray has
stayed true to her musical vision while carving a two-decade-long career
in the music business. she also launched her own record label, daemon
records, to help artists not being served by the major labels. ray
recently spoke to starpolish ceo vivek j. tiwary about a variety of
topics, including her label, her career, the importance of touring, and
the issues related to performing as a gay or bisexual artist.

indigo girls/junior mountain stage performance airs starting april 11th!
speaking of the indigo girls, starpolish management's junior recently
opened up for the girls during their mountain stage performance. the
indigo girls even invited junior to sing harmony with them during an
encore of a bob dylan song! and you can hear the show yourself starting
this friday, april 11th, when mountain stage begins airing the show on
hundreds of radio stations and websites across the u.s. and in 50 foreign
countries. while most stations will air the show this saturday, april 12,
and sunday, april 13, check the mountain stage website at
http://www.mountainstage.org/msstations2.htm for exact dates, times, and
stations near you. the show also features great opening performances from
richard julian, lucy kaplansky and the kennedys, so check it out!

we'd also like to give props to our friends at wxpn, who continue to be
junior's biggest supporters on u.s. radio. xpn will be streaming the
indigo girls/junior show this saturday april 12 at 6:00pm e.s.t. at
http://xpn.org/stream.shtml. xpn is still playing junior's "into the
blue," so we're asking all junior fans to continue calling or emailing
them to request the song. you can reach wxpn's request line 24/7 via phone
at 215.573.wxpn (9976), or online at xpnair@pobox.upenn.edu and if you
haven't heard junior yet, check out some free music at
www.starpolish.com/junior.


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hey folks,


here's the latest official mailout...


-sherlyn


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april 2003


hey everyone,


it seems that winter is over down here, and the trees and flowers are opening up and spilling pollen out everywhere. i had my last big bonfire of the season, burned the refuse of lost struggles, and now am looking towards some kind of renewal. our winter tour season was fraught with challenges - health and weather. i am feeling good after 6 months of a mysterious abdominal pain. i had surgery for endometriosis but i am now  happily walking around minus one gallbladder and one fallopian tube. after a fall and winter of no caffeine, no indian, mexican, or thai food, i am looking forward to adventures in the ethnic food wonderland of the united states. even though the tour season had its challenges, the music never let me down. we played with some killer bands, including daemon artists cordero and paul melancon, as well as kim richey and michelle malone. the snow tried to stop us sometimes, but we only suffered a couple of canceled shows and, on the positive side, we had some qu
ality time on the bus watching xena videos, immersed in the funky smells of two days without showers and a trash bin full of the remains of truck stop meals.  our tour brought us first hand news of the peace movement as we moved across the eastern united states. i had the opportunity in january and march to play a few solo shows with the butchies. the butchies have a new record coming out this fall. we are working together on new material as well.


the indigo girls will be embarking on the honor the earth tour on april 10th. it's a very hard time for environmental activism, but i trust our audience sees the connections. we have to move away from our dependence on non-renewable energy resources. the current energy paradigm seems to demand a military dominance over the world. it is safe to say, historically speaking, that we have to be imperialists to ensure access to what we need to keep our country running and consuming at this fast pace. first, we pushed aside the indigenous peoples of this country and dominated the resources - mining, logging, and drilling with abandon. these impatient industries, driven by profit, had no regard for the health of the communities as they tore through what we now know as the united states. and it is still happening, even as we speak, even as we go to war. the laws we have set up to protect the earth and to protect our communities are being gutted by the bush administration. and now we m
ust also go elsewhere to insure a continuing supply of oil, cheap labor, and other commodities. just as we promised a new life of democracy and christianity to the native americans, we are promising a new democracy to the middle east. i am the first one to say that this analogy can only go so far. after all, saddam hussein is no upstanding native american leader. no, he is a tyrant. but our good intentions certainly do have an agenda and that agenda is oil. i am afraid that we have set a horrible precedent by paying no heed to the united nations. we have abandoned the world community. as we consume more and more, we will become a big insatiable monster, disguised as a benevolent dictator of the world. driving big cars, eating big meals, and making big trash. so i am advocating for a change. i am suggesting that we consume less, that we develop our renewable resources and that we let the indians help us do it. with this honor the earth tour we are supporting native endeavors
in wind power generation. if indian communities have had to bear the brunt of this mess, then they deserve to reap the benefits of clean energy generation. we are looking towards corporate accountability for the messes that have been made through bad energy policy. we are asking the government and the corporations to start cleaning up. it's time for each of us to be more mindful of the impact of every bit of power we create and consume. it's all connected; we have a right to be with this earth and we have a responsibility to protect it.


after the honor tour, we will be hitting the recording studio to make our last record for epic/sony. it feels good, the whole thing. the songs are coming along and we feel inspired. we will be back with our band - brady, clare, and carol, with producer peter collins at the helm. i expect the record won't come out until january 2004, but when we are on the road between now and then, we will be testing out some songs. so far, we have arranged four songs. more then ever, we are paying close attention to our harmony arrangements and guitar interplay.


i am wishing you luck out there and hoping you feel up to an engagement with the world. we need you right now.


  amy


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amy ray wrote: (how cool to truthfully be able to write that!)


> but i am now  happily walking around minus one
> gallbladder and one fallopian tube.


was anyone else like--tmi, sweety!?  i do not need all that info!


<political jargon skipped>


> more then
> ever, we are paying close attention to our harmony arrangements and guitar
> interplay.


was anyone else like--oh, finally, there's a line about your music?  not to
re-open the whole politics debate but i still can't help feeling like
listening to amy or ig is impossible nowadays without all this political
activism.  i agree with practically everything in her letter.  but we're
inundated all day with this and the music is supposed to be a respite...at
least for me.  she really needs a separate forum outside of the world of
music for her politics.  thrilled that another honor the earth tour is
happening.  that's the place for the politics.  it's like when i'm trying to
watch young and the restless for a taste of tacky, frivolous living with no
real worries and they interrupt it with war coverage.  hellloooo, i'm
watching the damn soap so i don't have to see the war right now!  what's
next, anti-war messages at the end of cd tracks laden with bush bashing?
bonus tracks on cd's but it's not music, it's a plea from ralph nader?  i
hate bush too but listen to music to escape.   ok there i said it.  i'm sure
this opinion won't be received well.  and i'm sure when i see the girls
tomorrow night that i'll be in love again and have forgotten that i had
something negative to say about them :).  g'nite!
greg


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too tired to write a review, but here ya go:


become you
get out the map
jonas and ezekial
power of two
yield
deconstruction
shame on you
wood song
ozilline
crazy game
dead man's hill
california dreamin'
least complicated
starkville
love's recovery
devotion
closer to fine
chickenman/bitterroot/chickenman
galileo


(encore):
lucystoners
collecting you
finlandia


looking forward to chicago!  oh, and the new album will probably be released
in jan.  rarities will follow...


:-) karen


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greg pondered:
<<> but i am now  happily walking around minus one
> gallbladder and one fallopian tube.


was anyone else like--tmi, sweety!?  i do not need all that info!>>


i think she's priming us for when they go up on ebay :)


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no. i wasn't.  in fact i was wondering if she has chron's disease and they
removed a fallopian tube because they couldn't confirm the chron's.


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not at all.  i for one feel privileged that amy chooses to share something
of her life with us, including her views on politics and other important
issues.   makes her music that much more meaningful imo.


maggie


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> amy ray wrote: (how cool to truthfully be able to write that!)
>
> > but i am now  happily walking around minus one
> > gallbladder and one fallopian tube.
>
> was anyone else like--tmi, sweety!?  i do not need all that info!
>
> <political jargon skipped>
>
> > more then
> > ever, we are paying close attention to our harmony arrangements and
guitar
> > interplay.
>
> was anyone else like--oh, finally, there's a line about your music?  not
to
> re-open the whole politics debate but i still can't help feeling like
> listening to amy or ig is impossible nowadays without all this political
> activism.  i agree with practically everything in her letter.  but we're
> inundated all day with this and the music is supposed to be a respite...at
> least for me.  she really needs a separate forum outside of the world of
> music for her politics.  thrilled that another honor the earth tour is
> happening.  that's the place for the politics.  it's like when i'm trying
to
> watch young and the restless for a taste of tacky, frivolous living with
no
> real worries and they interrupt it with war coverage.  hellloooo, i'm
> watching the damn soap so i don't have to see the war right now!  what's
> next, anti-war messages at the end of cd tracks laden with bush bashing?
> bonus tracks on cd's but it's not music, it's a plea from ralph nader?  i
> hate bush too but listen to music to escape.   ok there i said it.  i'm
sure
> this opinion won't be received well.  and i'm sure when i see the girls
> tomorrow night that i'll be in love again and have forgotten that i had
> something negative to say about them :).  g'nite!
> greg
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where is this article?  can someone send me the link?
i don't know why it hasn't gotten to me yet.


thanks


elaine
>
> > but i am now  happily walking around minus one
> > gallbladder and one fallopian tube.

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on 9 apr 2003 at 1:45, greg flamer wrote:


> amy ray wrote: (how cool to truthfully be able to write that!)
>
> > but i am now  happily walking around minus one
> > gallbladder and one fallopian tube.
>
> was anyone else like--tmi, sweety!?  i do not need all that info!


how come when a female reproductive part is mentioned it is suddenly tmi?  had
she said appendix would it have been tmi?  it's anatomy any way you look at it.


>
> <political jargon skipped>
>
> > more then
> > ever, we are paying close attention to our harmony arrangements and guitar
> > interplay.
>
> was anyone else like--oh, finally, there's a line about your music?  not to
> re-open the whole politics debate but i still can't help feeling like
> listening to amy or ig is impossible nowadays without all this political
> activism.  i agree with practically everything in her letter.  but we're
> inundated all day with this and the music is supposed to be a respite...at
> least for me.


ah, but this wasn't her music.  this was her thoughts her feelings.  amy is more
than her music.  and her music is a reflection of who she is.  i think i would get a
tad upset if she was spouting her political beliefs at the end of a cd even though i
agree with most of their political philosophy.  their music does have political
statements in it (as we discussed last week) but it is woven in their music.  amy's
letters to her fans are a way for them to get to know *her* better.  i think it helps
understand the artist.  i have read virginia woolfe's books for years, but never
really connected with them until i recently read a biography and a collection of her
personal thoughts.  knowing the artist helps us better understand the craft.


michelle
"they're sending soldiers to distant places
x's and o's on someone's drawing board.
like green and plastic but with human faces
and they want to tell you it's a merciful sword.
but with all the blood newly dried in the desert
can we not fertilize the land with something else?
there is no nation by god exempted
lay down your weapons and love your neighbor as yourself."
       - emily saliers


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what you said michelle :-)


hannah

>from: "<michelle lr>" <catwho@comcast.net>
>date: wed, 9 apr 2003 09:14:35 -0500
>
>on 9 apr 2003 at 1:45, greg flamer wrote:
>
> > amy ray wrote: (how cool to truthfully be able to write that!)
> >
> > > but i am now  happily walking around minus one
> > > gallbladder and one fallopian tube.
> >
> > was anyone else like--tmi, sweety!?  i do not need all that info!
>
>how come when a female reproductive part is mentioned it is suddenly tmi?
>had
>she said appendix would it have been tmi?  it's anatomy any way you look at
>it.
>
> >
> > <political jargon skipped>
> >
> > > more then
> > > ever, we are paying close attention to our harmony arrangements and
>guitar
> > > interplay.
> >
> > was anyone else like--oh, finally, there's a line about your music?  not
>to
> > re-open the whole politics debate but i still can't help feeling like
> > listening to amy or ig is impossible nowadays without all this political
> > activism.  i agree with practically everything in her letter.  but we're
> > inundated all day with this and the music is supposed to be a
>respite...at
> > least for me.
>
>ah, but this wasn't her music.  this was her thoughts her feelings.  amy is
>more
>than her music.  and her music is a reflection of who she is.  i think i
>would get a
>tad upset if she was spouting her political beliefs at the end of a cd even
>though i
>agree with most of their political philosophy.  their music does have
>political
>statements in it (as we discussed last week) but it is woven in their
>music.  amy's
>letters to her fans are a way for them to get to know *her* better.  i
>think it helps
>understand the artist.  i have read virginia woolfe's books for years, but
>never
>really connected with them until i recently read a biography and a
>collection of her
>personal thoughts.  knowing the artist helps us better understand the
>craft.
>
>michelle
>"they're sending soldiers to distant places
>x's and o's on someone's drawing board.
>like green and plastic but with human faces
>and they want to tell you it's a merciful sword.
>but with all the blood newly dried in the desert
>can we not fertilize the land with something else?
>there is no nation by god exempted
>lay down your weapons and love your neighbor as yourself."
>        - emily saliers
>

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* karen r. (indigokare@aol.com) [030409 03:27]:
> too tired to write a review, but here ya go:


an excellent show.  mrs fun's keys were way too loud on occasion, and
kim (richey)'s sound was less than happy tobeing with, but the girls
sounded great.


did anybody record the show?


jon


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i know his has been brought up before but i didn't pay attention b/c it
didn't apply to me.
last night at the madison show i was with some friends.  we were in the
balcony.  one of the gals i was with is a dancin' machine, not to mention
an big ol' dedicated fan.  the crown around us heckled her to tears,
stating that they didn't pay $75 to see her ass.  i told them that if our
standing was in their way, that they should stand or accomodate
themselves so they could see around us.
you see, some people just gotta dance.
so then i meet up with 2 separate groups of friends afterwards and they
experienced the same thing in different parts of the theatre.  so it
brings me to this:
am i wrong for wanting to dance?  is it venue-dependent?  or crowd
dependent?  is it really a fuax pas?
i just keep coming back to...for anyone with a lick of soul at an indigo
girls concert - even hearing live music - feet tapping just aint enough
sometimes.  in our opinion, an ig show is like going back to grandma's
house, "woohoo grandma!" - she cooks up good eats and lets you do
whatever you want.  it's like a celebration.
so why does a seemingly soul-less crowd showup, unwilling to let others
dance?


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personally, i think it is song dependent.  there are some songs that you
just gotta get up and dance for and there are others that are best enjoyed
sitting down.  at one of the nj shows last fall, there were two women intent
on dancing to every single song...including "she's saving me."  they really
made it difficult to enjoy the show.


also, if you are in the front few rows, you have to at least acknowledge
that there are some people behind you that cannot see past your dancing butt
or who do not choose to stand or cannot stand for the entire time.  i see
nothing wrong with turning to them and asking if they mind if you dance for
a couple songs...this way, you get your dancing in, and they can see at
least part of the show unobstructed.


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> so why does a seemingly soul-less crowd showup,
> unwilling to let others dance?


seemingly soul-less?  because i choose to enjoy the
show differently from you?  so therefore i'm seemingly
souless?  grow up.  nobody is trying to impede on your
dancing.  you have as much right to dance and enjoy
the show as much as i have a right to sit and enjoy
the show.  in my opinion, you don't have a right to
obstruct my view.  move to the floor with the other
dancers if you want to dance.  maybe you can dance
somewhere where it is not blocking someone's view?
but i think that souless comment was thoughtless and
uncalled for.


the souless elaine


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sorry i concur with the complaints.  if you are going to dance (and why not)?
you should stand behind everyone.  not in front of people.  i would be pissed
if you were blocking my view of amy and emily as i paid to see them.


it's just common courtesy.  dance, have a good time.  but your having a good
time shouldn't stop someone else from having a good time.  that would be
selfish.


that is just as bad as at a kd lang concert the women next to me talking on
her cell phone.  i went to hear kd sing, not to hear this chick talk on her
phone the whole evening.  it's just rude.


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<<am i wrong for wanting to dance?  is it venue-dependent?  or crowd
dependent?  is it really a fuax pas?>>


i'd say crowd dependent. wherever you are if you're the only people dancing,
then you're prolly gonna piss off a lot of people who prefer to sit. (the
same goes for singing along really, really loud).


i'm sure there are still plenty of places you can go and dance without being
in anybody's way.


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i think the whole issue of dancing or not dancing really depends on where
you are and who the people around you are.  believe me, there is nothing i
like better than dancing and singing with all my new found friends at an ig
concert.  most of the time it works and its fun and everyone is happy. other
times, the crowds have been less than tolerant of dancing and singing.  when
i attended a show at humphrey's in san diego, the crowd around me (i was
only 4 rows back) complained everytime someone started to sing along or
dance.  it was not a venue nor a crowd that was conducive to ig partying.  i
had friends luckier to get a bit closer and they were constantly being
yelled at by crowd and security to take their seats.  other times and other
placces, its been one big ig dance and song fest. so i think it really is
driven both by the venue and the crowd that particular venue draws in. its
one of those things you have to feel out at every concert.


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as one who has endured gallbladder pain (and the resulting pancreatitis,
which is extremely painful), i'm glad amy will be free of its agony...


political activism and comment is a part of the folk music tradition (and
rock, by way of dylan's 'conversion' in the mid-60's); pop music, on the
other hand, tends to be escapist.  i'm certain that amy and emily
consider themselves to be proponents of the folk-rock legacy.  they sure
ain't britney spears....


as entertainers, we musicians have an obligation to attempt to fulfill
our fans' expectations; as artists, we must be true to ourselves and do
what we can to make this world a better place.  in my view, the indigo
girls excel at accomplishing both goals...


peace,
tim


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imo, if you want the option of sitting down at a concert with an unobstructed
view, you'd better get yourself a front row ticket.  (definitely part of the
reason i'm so into being frc.)


i believe that at a concert, everyone is entitled to sit or stand as the
music moves them.  don't get me wrong, there are many times i wish someone in
front of me would sit down, but i would never ask them to do so.  it's a
fucking concert, not the opera.


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hey...


<<it's a fucking concert, not the opera.>>


what happens if the people in front of you at the opera, believe that
everyone is entitled to sit or stand as the music moves them. and they are
moved to dance?


or the movies, or wherever...


:)


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yeah but just to play devil's advocate...


your definition and idea of what a concert entails may be totally different
than someone else's.  i'm not a big dancer...i like to sit back and watch them
play but on certain songs i understand the desire to want to get up and move.
that's what music does to some people but when i dance i at least have some
sort of consideration for the people around me.  if someone was dancing the
entire time and had no consideration for the fact that they are not the one's
people paid to see then i'd have no problem (and have had no problem) to ask
them to move to the aisle or at least give it a break at times so i can enjoy
it "my way".


and also, even though everyone is supposedly entitled to sit or stand as the
music moves them, the dancers, in being entitled to do what they want, are
preventing the sitters from doing what they want.  so it's a never ending
circle of arguements.  mutual consideration and understanding is what's needed
it seems at shows.  both dancers and sitters need to recognize and respect
that everyone has paid to see amy and emily and that a common ground should be
met.


quoting indigotraveller@aol.com:


> imo, if you want the option of sitting down at a concert with an
> unobstructed
> view, you'd better get yourself a front row ticket.  (definitely part of the
> reason i'm so into being frc.)
>
> i believe that at a concert, everyone is entitled to sit or stand as the
> music moves them.  don't get me wrong, there are many times i wish someone
> in
> front of me would sit down, but i would never ask them to do so.  it's a
> fucking concert, not the opera.
>
> lauren
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on 9 apr 2003 at 1:45, greg flamer wrote:


> amy ray wrote: (how cool to truthfully be able to write that!)
>
> > but i am now  happily walking around minus one
> > gallbladder and one fallopian tube.
>
> was anyone else like--tmi, sweety!?  i do not need all that info!


nope, i find it really great that she feels so close with her fans that she
is willing to share things like that with us.  most celebrities are so
stand-offish with their fans.  i think amy is great, and the fact that she
is a "real person" makes it all that much better.
i am probably not making any sense.  i have had the flu so do forgive any
incoherence.
:)
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i certainly would love if i could dance through most of every ig show i see.
but i would never just blatantly dance in front of a bunch of people who are
sitting and block their view.  what if they are at an ig show for the first
time, don't know any songs and might become big fans if their experience is
a good one.  i certainly don't want to deter them and make then think that
ig fans are rude, because the ig fans that i have met are awesome!!


also, my husband has a bad back and prefers to sit when going to an ig show
with me.  who can blame him?  he paid to have a seat, he should be able to
do so and be able to see the girls just like everyone else.


when we were at a nashville show, we were on the floor in front of the stage
and pretty much forced to stand by other fans, not that i minded, but i was
really excited to have a table in front of the stage because i knew my
husband could sit and enjoy the show and i would stand with the others
standing, but it didn't work out that way.


if there were a way for someone who is sitting to obstruct the view of
someone dancing, i don't think anyone would feel that it was ok.  so the
flip side shouldn't be ok either.


just my 2 cents.
traci


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>also, if you are in the front few rows, you have to at least acknowledge
>that there are some people behind you that cannot see past your dancing
>butt or who do not choose to stand or cannot stand for the entire time.  >i
see nothing wrong with turning to them and asking if they mind if you >dance
for a couple songs...this way, you get your dancing in, and they
>can see at least part of the show unobstructed.

i disagree.  this past july i was a full 9 months pregnant, ready to pop!
my feet, ankles and legs were swollen to unrecognizable size.  it was
painful to stand for long periods of time, let alone dance.  yet i went to
an ig concert.  i knew full well that this was going to be a dancing good
time.  the whole crowd was into it.  i did not once think about asking the
people in front of me to sit because i couldn't stand the whole time.  i
stood when i could, and sat the rest of the time.  i still had a fantastic
time, even though i couldn't see everything.  why would i want to ruin
everyone else's good time just because of me?  some people need to realize
that they are not the only ones there.
my two cents,
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i agree with amy on this one...i never understand when at any concert...not
just ig...people just sit there quietly and look slightly bored as the
musicians are working their butts off on the stage.  it's like, why did you
pay to come to this if you're so bored?  i can't believe people heckled her
friend for dancing in their way...i'd never get mad at someone who was
dancing in front of me.  either i'd come to terms with not being able to
see, or i'd get up and look over/around them.  why should they have to pull
back and limit their fun to please others?  they paid to be there, same as
anyone else.  in most of the venues i've been to, there's no other place to
dance...if you so much as step one foot out into the aisle, the little guard
people are there yelling at you that there's no dancing in the aisles
because it's a fire hazard.


and frankly, i think it's fun and adds to the show when i'm sitting down and
a few people up are dancing to the music :-)  it's like a live-action
version of the visualizations in real player :-)


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> why would i want to ruin
> everyone else's good time just because of me?  some people
> need to realize that they are not the only ones there.
> my two cents,
> mi rinda
>


that statement is a two way street...  i tend to stand and dance and sing at
shows, but if most of the folks around me are sitting, i take that lead, so
that they may enjoy the show as much as i am...  if i felt the major need to
stand and dance throughout, i certainly think i'd go find an appropriate
place at the back of the venue for it...


mark


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amy ray wrote: (how cool to truthfully be able to write that!)


> but i am now  happily walking around minus one
> gallbladder and one fallopian tube.


and greg commented


> was anyone else like--tmi, sweety!?  i do not need all that info!


i dunno.  it makes a vas deferens.


(sorry, couldn't resist the pun.)


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: i agree with amy on this one...i never understand when at any
concert...not
: just ig...people just sit there quietly and look slightly bored as the
: musicians are working their butts off on the stage.  it's like, why did
you
: pay to come to this if you're so bored?  i can't believe people heckled
her
: friend for dancing in their way...i'd never get mad at someone who was
: dancing in front of me.  either i'd come to terms with not being able to
: see, or i'd get up and look over/around them.  why should they have to
pull
: back and limit their fun to please others?  they paid to be there, same as
: anyone else.  in most of the venues i've been to, there's no other place
to
: dance...if you so much as step one foot out into the aisle, the little
guard
: people are there yelling at you that there's no dancing in the aisles
: because it's a fire hazard.
:
: and frankly, i think it's fun and adds to the show when i'm sitting down
and
: a few people up are dancing to the music :-)  it's like a live-action
: version of the visualizations in real player :-)
:
: melinda

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ok - here is a weird opinion - i love it when people dance - i truly do


- i want to dance, dance, dance - however, since i have become disabled


- i can't dance anymore - at least like i used to. i can't stand up for
more than 15 minutes and the pain starts at 10 minutes.


fortunately - i can sit at the top of my seat and i ask the people in
front of me if the shorter person could dance in front - not a bad deal
really. they are usually very nice - i have my cane with me or my
scooter.


i love to watch people dancing and having a great time and i want my
partner to dance and enjoy the show!!! i've seen the indigo girls so
many times that it doesn't matter if i see them while they are
performing - it's just the whole idea of being in a live situation - the
whole experience.


so dance on you dancers - i think that i shall get a lift for my scooter
chair someday and rise above - by i do some pretty good seat dancing.


mary

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i can't believe they played crazy game


i'm so jealous!  i must have a boot of this if there is one


> too tired to write a review, but here ya go:
>
> crazy game


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i agree with this!  like you i've been stuck behind someone who
dances/stands even during slow and thoughtful songs but i would never
ask them to sit down.
well said, lauren


>>> <indigotraveller@aol.com> 04/09/03 10:51am >>>
imo, if you want the option of sitting down at a concert with an
unobstructed
view, you'd better get yourself a front row ticket.  (definitely part
of the
reason i'm so into being frc.)


i believe that at a concert, everyone is entitled to sit or stand as
the
music moves them.  don't get me wrong, there are many times i wish
someone in
front of me would sit down, but i would never ask them to do so.  it's
a
fucking concert, not the opera.


lauren


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howdy ya'll,


i was at last night's madison show as well, in the pit
seats, just barely off to emily's side on the right.
and halfway through the concert as i got tapped on the
shoulder for the umpteenth time for standing six
inches into the isle by this authority-driven
sixty-something old man who demanded we all dance from
our seats if we're going to dance, i thought, "boy,
the list is gonna be *buzzing* about this tomorrow".
ta da.


i intended to work up a relatively-i say that cause
opinion leaves it imperfect-good all-around review
later today but for now i needed to comment on this
before heading to my class.


this was my second ig show ever and i was downright
ecstatic with happiness over the prospect of seeing
them again for the first time in almost 13 months.  my
girlfriend and i had scored fantastic seats way down
front and were ready and eager for the show to begin.


looking around the audience it surprised me how mixed
it was; half the crowd seemed to be 20-30 something in
various states of punk or 'earthy' attire, with their
various significant others.  the other half was what
i'll fondly refer to as the *not* 20-30 something
crowd, who were all relatively quite during the
intermission between kim ritchie-who kicked ass,
btw-and during the whole show itself.


wisconsin, from the two shows i've been to, is *not*
known for its exuberance, so when a 1/3 of the way
through some of the 20-30 something folks got up into
the isles to dance-for gotm i believe-i jumped at the
chance to join them.  i mean, come on, we finally get
our chance to show amy and emily that we're not a
bunch of frozen lumps in our seats!  i know there's
still snow on the ground but come on, come out of
hibernation, folks!


and everyone who disagrees with our urge to dance, i
respect you.  i'm 5'4'' and am constantly in a
situation where i can't see for folks taller than me,
and it pisses me off.  so i respected that people who
weren't big on folks dancing suggested that we head
out into the isles.  but last night we had the ss/nazi
version of venue security.  this guy spent the whole
time flaring his nostrils and barrelling through us
like a bull seeing red.  it was really quite pathetic,
because people would sort of part-like that proverbial
red sea-and let him grunt out his disapproval, and
then go right back to what we were doing.  that is,
until he parked himself on one knee in front of the
first row for two straight songs.  now *he* was
souless.


so here's the dilema: how do people who want to dance,
dance?  we can't go in the isles, and we paid for
seats in the pit section so i'll be damned if i'm
heading back another 50 rows just to have a good time,
and a lot of people had a problem with us dancing from
our seats, which we only did because of the ss guard
breathing down our necks.


amy and emily love to have a good time, we love to
have a good time, and yet, there's always conflict.
<shrugs> so goes life!  i guess it's just a little sad
when someone who's been to 25 shows gets up in arms
about a few dancers, most of whom are enjoying one of
their very first few shows.  when it comes right down
to it, i feel there's a priority.  and i know a lot of
you who no longer dance probably did back in the day,
at some venue, for some band, or pissed someone off
somewhere, and i for one believe in karma.  so sow
some positive karmic seeds by just letting the dancers
dance, and listen to the music, cause it's about peace
and love and justice, not bitching about life's small
inconveniences.


ok, peace and love.  i expect hate mail shortly.


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to me, it all comes down to why one goes to a show and what stance or
attitude they take regarding it.


are they there to share in and bond with the performers?  are they there to
share in and bond with the audience, the experience and thrill and
uniqueness of a live crowd?  a combination of both?  or are they there for
personal reasons, such as enjoying the music the way they want to without
any regard for those around them?


no matter what you personaly believe, it is the latter crowd that exhibits
traits which interfere with the peaceful enjoyment by others at any show.
their actions are selfish and, while personally enjoyable i'm sure, do end
up taking away from others by diminishing their enjoyment (assuming they
came to see the show and not audit the crowd for behavior patterns--hehehe).


this is especially true in a venue with assigned seating where others in the
audience cannot simply move away from the obstruction the dancers cause.


regardless of how people personally view their actions when dancing, it is a
rude, selfish act in a venue like that.  it exactly takes away from others
and serves only the person dancing.  a truly giving person would not do such
a thing without either asking those who would be affected to make sure it's
ok, or by moving away from others so their actions do not affect anyone.


it's a personal choice and i'm not one to tell others how to behave at a
show.  but, that doesn't change the facts.  when someone stands up and
dances it undeniably diminishes the quality of the show for many.  why?
because a situation beyond their control, yet directly within the control of
the individual engaging in the activity, now exists and is causing the event
to unfold and be observed by many in a manner other than it would have been
if people in front weren't dancing.  and, since many of them came to see the
show they are now unable to do so completely.  and, it affects them
negatively.


i personally believe that dancing is a wonderful thing.  it addresses
something in the human soul that most everyone knows about and can relate
to.  i can see the pull to stand up and dance at a live performance as it
is, indeed, within me as well.  however, i personally cannot do so because i
ascribe significant value to those around me and choose not to take away
from their enjoyment of the show in that way.  my actions, while maybe
doubling or tripling my enjoyment would undoubtedly halve (lessen) the
enjoyment by more than a handful behind me (3 < 0.5 * x; when x is 6 or
more--does your dancing affect 6 or more people?  and is your enjoyment
really tripled?  if it's only doubled, then only 4 or more need to be
affected).


in short, since i do ascribe value to others and their feelings, i would
rather enjoy the show slightly less myself than to stand up and dance and
dimish the enjoyment of those behind me.  it is the only solution which
ensures maximum enjoyment by all.  any other will increase an individual's
enjoyment at the expense of others, a textbook definition of a selfish
activity.


- rick c. hodgin


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on 9 apr 2003 at 10:13, juliana smith wrote:


> howdy ya'll,
>
> i was at last night's madison show as well, in the pit
> seats, just barely off to emily's side on the right.
> and halfway through the concert as i got tapped on the
> shoulder for the umpteenth time for standing six
> inches into the isle by this authority-driven
> sixty-something old man who demanded we all dance from
> our seats if we're going to dance, i thought, "


the theater where they played in pensacola (saenger theater) usually hosts
"upstanding quality npr-esque" shows and preformances.  things that you would
go to and sit demurely at and clap ever so daintly.  it's a wonderful theater to sing in
though (done it many times myself)  so the ig's really sounded great there!  most of
the hosts and hostesses are retired folk and to say that rock (or folk rock) isn't their
cup of tea would be putting it mildly.  i can't remember the song (may have been
get out the map) a crowd arose near the stage and started dancing all in the aisle.
looked great from the front of balcony.  they were quickly dispersed and "sent" to
their seats.  i hung around after the show a bit and listened to the conversation of
the hosts.  they were quite shocked by "all the dancing" (which did continue, but
from people's seats) and "all those girls hangin' all over each other like that tsk"


i'm short.  i'm shorter still when i sit down.  but that is *my* problem, not the person
in front of me's problem.  i have asked people to step to the side if i can't see over
them when they are standing (and generally i will be as well) but to stop dancing?
more than often i have been offered to change places or the people in front of me
will offer to rearrange themselves to better put the shorter people in front of me.
(isn't that nice?)

michelle
"they're sending soldiers to distant places
x's and o's on someone's drawing board.
like green and plastic but with human faces
and they want to tell you it's a merciful sword.
but with all the blood newly dried in the desert
can we not fertilize the land with something else?
there is no nation by god exempted
lay down your weapons and love your neighbor as yourself."
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i accept that the person in front of me with the better ticket has the option
to choose, just as when i have the better ticket, it is my option to chose.


lauren


lmmclan@emory.edu writes:
> and also, even though everyone is supposedly entitled to sit or stand as the
>
> music moves them, the dancers, in being entitled to do what they want, are
> preventing the sitters from doing what they want.  so it's a never ending
> circle of arguements.  mutual consideration and understanding is what's
> needed
> it seems at shows.  both dancers and sitters need to recognize and respect
> that everyone has paid to see amy and emily and that a common ground should
> be met.


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p.s.  amy and emily prefer when people are up and dancing.


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in response to amy, i can accept people dancing during "dance songs"
like soy, go,
ozilene , gotm, etc.  as long as they sit during the quiet songs.


i for one don't like to dance alone, and risk getting the people around
me angry because
they can't see.....afterall, i paid good money to
dance at the appropriate time.....and the people around me pay good
money  to see.


the point is if you're blocking someone's view,
during a quiet number and you are asked to sit,
or if you are the only one dancing, and you are asked to sit, angry as
you may be, you have two options.....sit down, or move to the back.
it's only a curtesy.


i say that having experienced the displeasure
of having a couple stand right in front of me
the whole time at a show....i have a disability, but i'm not in a chair
you know(? back troubles)
and i can't stand the whole show....and i don't mind having to sit a
lot, and people blocking my view when isit during dance
numbers....dancing is part of the rock concert!


as long as they have the curtesy, to respect those around them once and
sit during the quiet numbers.!  there aren't many places
to go escape a couple who blocks your view.
especially if you are alone. nd asking a person to stand the whole
concert, to me is just not an option at an ig show.


peace
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it's funny that this topic came up today. i was at the madison show and was fortunate to score some great pit seats - center section on the aisle. at several points during the show folks came out of their seats (not sure from how far back they came) and filled in the aisle. some moved up to dance, but i'd most where just there to be in the aisle closer to the stage. i had the pleasure of getting someone's rear-end in my face (she didn't seem to care) and i had to shift my position to see amy from my seat (the seat in my row came out a bit so it was possible for folks in the aisle to be right in front of me). the folks in the pit seats to my left had their view totally blocked.


now before you term me soulless, or say "it's a fucking ig concert - what did you expect!" please know that i've been to a ton of shows and have done my share of dancing, screaming and position scamming. i've had some great ig moments -- been front and center and know the sound of amy's boots scuffing the stage and had an amy spit shower; been on stage; been to shows where i know i never sat down and lost 5 lbs in sweat in the process, etc. but last night had a different feel to it and i admit to sending vibes wishing for the 'aisle police' to clear the area. when they did, i felt relieved to have 'my space' back. on the drive home i thought about the evening and wondered if i'm getting old or have been to way too many shows. but then i realized it's all about the context.


the shows where things were wild and crazy cultivated those moments - the whole venue was into it, or it was an outdoor show (like summerfest where you know the benches aren't meant for your butt). and when i think about it now, i feel it makes a difference whether ig are with a band or playing acoustic. when they play without their band, like they did last night, their shows just seem to have a different feel to them -- less rocking and wildness to them (imo). last night seemed to be a pretty mellow evening. kim richey (who was awesome!) seemed to set that tone. so i have to agree with other who have commented -- you need to feel things out and let the venue, show and crowd set the tone. if folks are on their butts during songs like gotm or soy, it's just not going to be a wild and crazy night.


deb


ps
to think that some on this list actually feel i would be the one showing disrespect and/or am being selfish if i were to ask folks who came from other seats and are now blocking my view to sit down, is a little scary.


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i think it's all sort of a general crowd consensus thing. if you want to
dance, you try standing up. if others join you, it sorta becomes a mass
movement of dancing, but if they don't, you eventually drift back into
your chair. we need someone with a game-theory background to work out what
the critical mass is! :)
  but the cringiest moment yesterday night was when i noticed that during
lucystoners, my gf and i were the only 2 people dancing in a sea of
sitters, except for the little clump of people up front who requested the
song. (a little 5yo girl requested the song, it seems. cute but odd!) at
the amy ray shows we went to, that was the surefire, everybody dance now
track. so i was like, um, i'll just sit down now thanks. *blush* it was
sooooo hard to sit during the rest of that song though. i had happy feet.
with everybody sitting, it was sort of like amy was singing the song just
to the little munchkin and her family. i felt like we all should be
dancing because amy wasn't getting the energy of that song fed back to
her. (that's subjective, not like i really think it's everyone's duty to
dance! i certainly don't want to always dance.) chickenman had a similar
problem going on, though not to the same extent. a lot of people felt like
they should get up and dance, but the beat wasn't conducive so it was sort
of half sit, half stand.
  anyway. fantastic concert!


on wed, 9 apr 2003, karen weaver wrote:


> i agree with this!  like you i've been stuck behind someone who
> dances/stands even during slow and thoughtful songs but i would never
> ask them to sit down.
> well said, lauren
>
> >>> <indigotraveller@aol.com> 04/09/03 10:51am >>>
> imo, if you want the option of sitting down at a concert with an
> unobstructed
> view, you'd better get yourself a front row ticket.  (definitely part
> of the
> reason i'm so into being frc.)
>
> i believe that at a concert, everyone is entitled to sit or stand as
> the
> music moves them.  don't get me wrong, there are many times i wish
> someone in
> front of me would sit down, but i would never ask them to do so.  it's
> a
> fucking concert, not the opera.
>
> lauren
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i was thinking, "yeah, i thought she looked a little too skinny last
night!"


as i learned through long and painful experience, it is really hard to
diagnose mysterious abdominal pain. i really hope the removal of these
bits of amy solve the problem for good! poor amy!


on wed, 9 apr 2003, mary ferrara wrote:


> no. i wasn't.  in fact i was wondering if she has chron's disease and they
> removed a fallopian tube because they couldn't confirm the chron's.
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indigotraveller@aol.com writes:
>p.s.  amy and emily prefer when people are up and dancing.

i totally agree. just picture being up on stage with a sea of people in
front of you, which would you rather see? i would rather see the whole
crowd rocking! i'm a dancer from way back, i cut my teeth on the grateful
dead, and let me tell you - you were definitely in the minority if you
weren't dancing! i think dancing to the fast songs and sitting through the
slow songs is not only respectful to the audience, but also the
performers. i've been to countless ig shows - and they have always
commented on how much they like when the audience sings along and when
everyone's up dancing. but i do agree with sitting through the slow songs,
and checking the reaction/situation of people around you. but being in the
situation of wanting to dance and couldn't - i wouldn't make anyone sit
down in front of me regardless of the situation. if the dancers are
willing to sit through the slow ones - then can't the sitters be willing
to stand during the fast ones? can't we all just get along?
my .02
thanks!
kellie
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california dreamin'!  did anybody boot this, pretty please?


peace,
eileen

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>date: wed, 9 apr 2003 04:27:14 edt
>
>too tired to write a review, but here ya go:
>
>become you
>get out the map
>jonas and ezekial
>power of two
>yield
>deconstruction
>shame on you
>wood song
>ozilline
>crazy game
>dead man's hill
>california dreamin'
>least complicated
>starkville
>love's recovery
>devotion
>closer to fine
>chickenman/bitterroot/chickenman
>galileo
>
>(encore):
>lucystoners
>collecting you
>finlandia
>
>looking forward to chicago! oh, and the new album will probably be released
>in jan. rarities will follow...
>
>:-) karen
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needed (badly): ride to & from northfield show. will pay you.


$$$$$$$$$$$$$


where from:  st paul


peace


barb........need to know by tonight.

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if anyone has a boot i'd love one too.  please pm me if you recorded it.
karen


>>> eileen standen <eileen_standen@hotmail.com> 04/09/03 02:10pm >>>


california dreamin'!  did anybody boot this, pretty please?


peace,
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>from: "karen r."
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>date: wed, 9 apr 2003 04:27:14 edt
>
>too tired to write a review, but here ya go:
>
>become you
>get out the map
>jonas and ezekial
>power of two
>yield
>deconstruction
>shame on you
>wood song
>ozilline
>crazy game
>dead man's hill
>california dreamin'
>least complicated
>starkville
>love's recovery
>devotion
>closer to fine
>chickenman/bitterroot/chickenman
>galileo
>
>(encore):
>lucystoners
>collecting you
>finlandia
>
>looking forward to chicago! oh, and the new album will probably be
released
>in jan. rarities will follow...
>
>:-) karen
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exactly! amd let's bear in mind that amy must have been playing concerts for months while feeling ill and in pain - here's hoping the problem is solved and she's feeling good.  and that she has a great birthday on saturday :-)

peace,
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>from: "kovacs, mirinda"
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>date: wed, 9 apr 2003 11:17:23 -0500
>
>on 9 apr 2003 at 1:45, greg flamer wrote:
>
> > amy ray wrote: (how cool to truthfully be able to write that!)
> >
> > > but i am now happily walking around minus one
> > > gallbladder and one fallopian tube.
> >
> > was anyone else like--tmi, sweety!? i do not need all that info!
>
>nope, i find it really great that she feels so close with her fans that she
>is willing to share things like that with us. most celebrities are so
>stand-offish with their fans. i think amy is great, and the fact that she
>is a "real person" makes it all that much better.
>i am probably not making any sense. i have had the flu so do forgive any
>incoherence.
>:)
>mi rinda
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i thought the same thing, too. i really appreciated
the personal tone of that letter and was glad she
wanted to share with us what had been going on with
her.


a breakup and 6 months of abdominal pain...she sure
hasn't had a smooth ride lately!


susan


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exactly! amd let's bear in mind that amy must have
been playing concerts for months while feeling ill and
in pain -


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oddly enough, she has seemed in great spirits at all the shows!


>>> susan o'connor <tekritesue@yahoo.com> 04/09/03 02:27pm >>>
i thought the same thing, too. i really appreciated
the personal tone of that letter and was glad she
wanted to share with us what had been going on with
her.


a breakup and 6 months of abdominal pain...she sure
hasn't had a smooth ride lately!


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exactly! amd let's bear in mind that amy must have
been playing concerts for months while feeling ill and
in pain -


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it really depends on the venue, doesn't it? i went to
humphrey's by the bay in san diego last summer for the
first time and it was a very constraining experience
for me. lots of older people were there who have
season seats and didn't move a muscle through the set.
i can't say that i won't ever see them again there but
it won't be my first choice. a few days before that i
had seen them at the palace. it was ga and a totally
different experience.

susan
--- amy l clements <amyloretta@juno.com> wrote:
> so why does a seemingly soul-less crowd showup,
> unwilling to let others
> dance?

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maybe she instigated the breakup and her doctors were
giving her really good painkillers!


--- karen weaver <weaverka@bcsc.k12.in.us> wrote:
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> the shows!

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okay, i give up.  where in her letter did she mention a breakup?


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she didn't, but a couple months ago someone saw an interview that
mentioned a breakup. anyone remember where?


on wed, 9 apr 2003, sheryl jones wrote:


> okay, i give up.  where in her letter did she mention a breakup?
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you didn't see it? it's right after she mentions how
much she's looking forward to the living room
concerts.


no, seriously she didn't mention the breakup in the
letter. she talked about it in another article.

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> mention a breakup?
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i recall reading a recent interview where amy acknowledged that making stag was
great because she got to sing songs she could never do with emily...like
lucystoners. seeing it on last night's setlist, i'd *love* to know if emily
sung along on this song, and if so, did she actually say the word boners?
that's a very amusing mental image!!! :)


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emily wasn't even on stage when lucy stoners was performed.  it was strictly
solo.
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hey folks,


whether you're pro dancing or con, just keep in mind that at any given ig
concert there are going to be scores of people with varying levels of
disability. you may not always be able to discern that a person has a
disability just by looking at them. and while some of us with disabilities
may not mind looking at a sea of flailing arms and legs, others would much
rather see amy and emily. i don't think it's too much to ask that those of
you who want to dance take this into consideration and try using a little
empathy and courtesy the next time you're at a concert and someone asks that
you not block their view.


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if any of you are in the chicagoland area and want to go to the show but
don't have tickets you might want to try ticketmaster.


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in a message dated 4/9/03 5:25:01 pm eastern daylight time,
extra.crunchy@verizon.net writes:


> i don't think it's too much to ask that those of
> you who want to dance take this into consideration and try using a little
> empathy and courtesy the next time you're at a concert and someone asks
> that
> you not block their view.
>
>


here here!


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i do not mind people dancing at shows - but i cannot stand for a full show
and usually will use my wheelchair - the only problems i ever have had were
at newport, but the last time i was there seeing the ig, we were right up
against the fence and no one on the blanket stood.


there are two sides to every argument - i do go to see amy and emily - i
deal with discrimination on a almost daily basis - i'd like to think people
are usually respectful, but alas, i went to harborlights last summer and it
generally sucked...too many drunk people blocking my view.


just my opinion -
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i want to dance....that is why i go....some people next to me want to sing....it annoys me...but that is why they go...if i let all of the people in front of me who want to sit, are shorter than me, just like complaining....i would be in back....so i for one will always dance......................................


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   < indigotraveller@aol.com > wrote:


p.s.  amy and emily prefer when people are up and dancing.

p.p.s.
this is at least somewhat true...in ampa when the dancing police (security) would let us stand i yelled up to emily and she said that it was okay for security to let us dance....


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ah, another shining example of our society's rampant, aggressive
individualism. *sigh*


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i want to dance....that is why i go....some people next to me want to
sing....it annoys me...but that is why they go...if i let all of the people
in front of me who want to sit, are shorter than me, just like
complaining....i would be in back....so i for one will always
dance......................................


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imo,
if i pay money to see a concert, i want to see the concert. not watch =
the people in front of me dancing. if i wanna watch someone dancing, i =
will go to a club. some venues just don't allow you to dance and still =
see the stage. to me a concert is to hear and see the preformers you =
paid to see, not the sideline entertainment.


paula
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  from: laura mclane=20
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  sent: wednesday, april 09, 2003 11:10 am
  subject: re: dancing

  yeah but just to play devil's advocate...


  your definition and idea of what a concert entails may be totally =
different
  than someone else's.  i'm not a big dancer...i like to sit back and =
watch them
  play but on certain songs i understand the desire to want to get up =
and move.
  that's what music does to some people but when i dance i at least have =
some
  sort of consideration for the people around me.  if someone was =
dancing the
  entire time and had no consideration for the fact that they are not =
the one's
  people paid to see then i'd have no problem (and have had no problem) =
to ask
  them to move to the aisle or at least give it a break at times so i =
can enjoy
  it "my way".


  and also, even though everyone is supposedly entitled to sit or stand =
as the
  music moves them, the dancers, in being entitled to do what they want, =
are
  preventing the sitters from doing what they want.  so it's a never =
ending
  circle of arguements.  mutual consideration and understanding is =
what's needed
  it seems at shows.  both dancers and sitters need to recognize and =
respect
  that everyone has paid to see amy and emily and that a common ground =
should be
  met.


  quoting indigotraveller@aol.com:


  > imo, if you want the option of sitting down at a concert with an
  > unobstructed
  > view, you'd better get yourself a front row ticket.  (definitely =
part of the
  > reason i'm so into being frc.)
  >
  > i believe that at a concert, everyone is entitled to sit or stand as =
the
  > music moves them.  don't get me wrong, there are many times i wish =
someone
  > in
  > front of me would sit down, but i would never ask them to do so.  =
it's a
  > fucking concert, not the opera.
  >
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this is certainly a legitimate issue, imo, but it seems to me that it's one
that should be taken up with the venue as to what accomodations they make for
disabled/differently abled concert goers.


lauren


robbin said:
> whether you're pro dancing or con, just keep in mind that at any given ig
> concert there are going to be scores of people with varying levels of
> disability. you may not always be able to discern that a person has a
> disability just by looking at them. and while some of us with disabilities
> may not mind looking at a sea of flailing arms and legs, others would much
> rather see amy and emily. i don't think it's too much to ask that those of
> you who want to dance take this into consideration and try using a little
> empathy and courtesy the next time you're at a concert and someone asks
> that
> you not block their view.
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well, i think the solution to all of our problems is pretty clear. the
girls need to create a firm concert policy, effective immediately. there
will be no dancing, no singing along, no standing, no drinking and/or
drunkenness, and of course no talking at any time that amy and/or emily
are on the stage. furthermore, amy and emily will be limited to only a few
pre-approved comments between songs. for example: "thanks y'all" "this
next song is called __ and it was written by ___" and "the new album will
be released ___." this will prevent any embarrassing sharing of personal
politics as well as details of their lives that may be offensive to
audience members. down the line, we may have to also ban certain ig
songs from the setlist, contingent upon the effectiveness of the
initial policy. by following these guidelines, we will all be assured a
wonderful time at future ig concerts.
-sam (always the helpful one)


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back to your regularly scheduled concert reviews.  i take back everything i
said about ig yesterday because they performed such an awesome show in
chicago tonight.  ok i still don't want to hear about fallopian tubes being
removed.  and for the person who thought i was discriminating and being put
off by only female body parts...let me clarify.  i would be just as wigged
out if amy had written about having her testicles removed.  in fact, i'll go
a step further and say that would disturb me much more :):).


ok, i have found the solution for all the cranky dance vs non-dance madison
show folks.  two words--general admission.  not usually my favorite type of
seating but when you're at the metro in chicago it's easy.  there are no
seats!  so everyone must dance and stand and the only pissy people end up
being short people (who we let in front of us all night).


this was an amazing night.  amy has made no secret about her love of playing
the metro and the smile on her face all night showed why.  after reading
about the madison show and the lukewarm crowd it does explain how
appreciative they were tonight.  the crowd knew practically every word to
every song.  when folks were singing along to cold beer and remote control,
emily gave that little "i'm impressed" smirk.


the night began with a pleasant surprise.  the line had formed outside on
clark street and i was about 100 people from the front.  the entrance
friskers, however, were frisking by gender.   as a man at an ig show this
was clearly in my favor so we shot way up to the front to be frisked by the
men (i wasn't complaining) and got some prime spots on the floor.  i haven't
seen them this close in years.  it was great.  kim richey was awesome. the
crowd loved her and cheered loudly for her stuff.  i had never heard her and
was impressed.  the best part of the show was the cocktail waitress who
paraded around through the crowd taking beer orders.  i never had to worry
about my spot being squeezed away but still had time for a nice buzz by the
time ig got on.


so the girls open with least complicated.  i'll have to defer to someone
else for the full setlist.  some others off the top of my head...ozilline,
power of two, virginia woolf (emily had comments about ms kidman's oscar),
she's saving me, get out the map, deconstruction, ctf (kim richey was called
out but showed up on stage half way through the song--she looks like a
stoner), and awesome oldies like land of canaan, watershed and world falls.
the encore was galileo and finlandia.  they did play 2 new songs.  for the
life of me i can't think of a single line in them to refer to.  i had never
heard either.  they brought out sheet music so these must be reaaal new.
someone else please get us some details on these.   they were both excellent
and the crowd was soooo good...listened without heavy chatter.  the new
songs had great harmonies making me quite psyched for their next cd.


other randomness...just ongoing kudos to chicago and the metro all night.
girls explained how they were in madison and just couldn't be so closeby
without doing a metro show. they were appreciative of the huge turnout
considering they just played in chicago a month or two ago.  there was
mention of the start of the honor the earth tour tomorrow, along with some
accompanying politics but it was very appropriate and not at all preachy
(this is all i ask for).  some comments about peace and "these troubled
times" but an otherwise happy and peppy concert.  crowd was very in control.
no pushing, no drunkenness (besides maybe my own), no annoying squirmers
trying to rush the stage, no anger, no bra burning, plenty of dancing,
plenty of energy, plenty of singing in all the right spots.  i am on cloud
9.  look forward to more reviews.--greg


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did she not get a ruptured ovarian cyst removed a couple of years back? or
am i making that up?


kt


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exactly! amd let's bear in mind that amy must have been playing concerts for
months while feeling ill and in pain - here's hoping the problem is solved
and she's feeling good.  and that she has a great birthday on saturday :-)


peace,


eileen


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>from: "kovacs, mirinda"
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>date: wed, 9 apr 2003 11:17:23 -0500
>
>on 9 apr 2003 at 1:45, greg flamer wrote:
>
> > amy ray wrote: (how cool to truthfully be able to write that!)
> >
> > > but i am now happily walking around minus one
> > > gallbladder and one fallopian tube.
> >
> > was anyone else like--tmi, sweety!? i do not need all that info!
>
>nope, i find it really great that she feels so close with her fans that she


>is willing to share things like that with us. most celebrities are so
>stand-offish with their fans. i think amy is great, and the fact that she
>is a "real person" makes it all that much better.
>i am probably not making any sense. i have had the flu so do forgive any
>incoherence.
>:)
>mi rinda
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>>>>from: greg flamer
some others off the top of my head...ozilline,
power of two, virginia woolf (emily had comments about ms kidman's
oscar)>>>>>,


what kind of comments were they? it'd be interesting to know how emily feels
about the book/movie...


thanks


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well.


i just want to say that i had a front-row madison seat right up by amy
(thanks eternally, deb!) and was really, honestly nervous beforehand about my
responsibilities as a front-row audience member.  i saw it (prior to reading
this whole discourse) as my job to get up and start the domino effect that
would get the whole floor dancing.  anything less would be failing a&e.
    i generally am terrified of dancing, mind you, and i was at this show
alone.  i contemplated downing a few shots of whiskey pre-show to steel my
nerves, but didn't want to gross out whoever i wound up sitting next to, so
refrained.  i had forgotten the clouds of beer that descend after
intermission, although that was not from my seatmates.  anyway - i knew that
a&e prefer dancing crowds.  really, assigned seating seems an absurdly
unnatural way to conduct a concert that has any energy to it.  the exchange
between the audience and performers is reduced into this rigid, servile
relationship - they perform as our hired monkeys and i sit and stare, dammit.
i think that's ugly, but there aren't many ga venues big enough to hold the
girls!  at least not in the midwest.
    so with assigned seating, people put in various, inconsistent amounts of
effort - from standing in line forever to simply having a hookup - to have
these good seats.  it's very much a mirror of american capitalism.  so,
people have these seats (read: secured comfy nearby position to hot
singing-ladies.  the pecking order for the evening.) and get into
self-righteous battles over something as simple and intuitive as dancing.  or
the equally simple and intuitive desire to just watch music get made.  (or
just stare at amy.)  we are placed into a situation and a physical set-up in
which competition for a good view is nearly inevitable.  think about how much
close-to-the-stage space the seats themselves take up!  since we are
restrained for the most part to our seats, the competition is really subtle
and often no more than people wasting good chunks of the concert being silen
tly pissed off at the strangers around them.  if then the crowd does get
lively, short folks, those with disabilities, and those scared by/not into
dance are guaranteed the shaft.
    on a side note, i was also worried about them playing 'go' - i am quite
young, and what a chump i felt i would be if i did not 'raise my hands' and
was no upsetter when in plain view of amy!  thankfully, they didn't play it.
(i waste so much mental energy on these things.)
    anyway.  i suppose this is also a review.  really, if it weren't for the
transcendent nature of my seat - had i my pick of the whole house, i still
would have chosen it - i would have been disappointed.  all sorts of things
were off about the show.  for one, i'm not big on kim ritchey.  although when
i came in (late only because i drove from minneapolis), the interaction
between performer and crowd seemed warmer and more genial than at any other
point in the whole evening.    somehow, the mood of the crowd changed from
warm and laughing with kim ritchey to simultaneously uptight and rude once
the girls came on.  at least, it was uptight and rude for a generally pleased
ig crowd.   a&e came on and looked tired.  only one of amy's sleeves was
rolled up.  there were few between-song stories, just the plastic "it's great
to be here" right on up to "we had a great time tonight" after they clearly
didn't, peppered with "thanks y'all for listening"s.  i could see a fat white
scar near amy's hipbone and figured it was from the appendicitis.  most of
her tattoo was showing.
    the night was full of inconsiderate heckling.  now, i definitely don't
think that audience-performer interaction is all heckling, but this was.  the
worst was a demanding woman, "show us your tattoo!" two or three times, with
amy less and less politely refusing each round "there's not a lot more", "the
power of suggestion is much more persuasive" (emily).  someone shouted for
"summer in the tropics" or something like that, which emily laughed at as a
request for southland in the springtime - "we didn't practice that one.  we
didn't think that it'd go over real well here".
    one interesting moment of audience interplay was when emily mentioned
that she was missing the women's final four basketball game for the show and
a woman in the front row spoke up and said her kid had called and tennessee
had won, and emily got this dreamily ecstatic look on her face.  she bent
down to talk with her a moment and get the score.  she was all smiles, with
amy making fun of her, until a song or two later when the same woman
announced that her son had been lying and the other team had won.  emily was
less crestfallen as confused-looking.  nothing was clarified for the crowd -
i still don't know which one actually won, not that it's real important to
me.  later, when amy sang lucystoners, she seemed to wince the tiniest bit at
having to sing "private parts", "blow me now", "faggot-bashing", and "boners"
directly to a five-year-old girl.
    but back to dancing.  no one danced for a number of songs before amy
started saying "you know, you can dance here.  at least i think so.  well,
given the state of the world, i think dancing is the least of our worries."
security ultimately disagreed with her, but next song, both aisles were full.
as i was on the aisle, i felt really dorky not joining them, but the bulk of
the crowd was so still and somber, and most definitely the bulk of the crowd
was stuck behind me.  i also was not sure of my moves, so i settled for some
wicked-active chair dancing.  however, making all of these judgment calls
took way too much of my attention and i wish in retrospect that i hadn't
given a shit one way or another.  cause no one else did.  and i only made eye
contact with ms. ray once the whole damn night, so i can't imagine she did
either.
    still, to be that close and to see all the small glances, the whispered
cues, the smiles and hardened grimaces, the way each of their mouths shapes
around a glory note, the clenched face emily sings with, the veins of amy's
hands, the scratches on the guitar, her fancy cowboy boots and weary eyes and
long, tough forearms and thin fingers and wispy hair... to catch her eye even
once, i was transported.  she is grace incarnate.
    so, dancing.  i'll do more of it when i can drink openly.  i think it's a
natural and admirable instinct, to let your body respond to music.
unfortunately, it has to deal with unique circumstances when in a seated
venue, and in that case, should be done with consideration.  let's all just
take heart that a&e's music still appeals to such a wide variety of humans
that this sort of clash, the dancers and the dignified, happens.  me (an
eighteen-year-old gutter punk) and my fifty-something fuscia-suited straight
lady seatmate had a real nice conversation about how diverse the crowd was.
and that in itself, our little, unlikely exchange, was enough to fix the show
for me.


i guess amy herself helped a bit too.


here's to the motherfuckin', gender-queer, intergenerational,
disability-rockin', dancin', standin', sittin', screamin', indigo-red re
volution.


lisa


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kadr isaar writes:


<<did she not get a ruptured ovarian cyst removed a couple years back,
or am i making
that up?>>

no, that really did happen.....i remember reading about it here and on
the ig website.
it happened in chicago i think in february of
2000 wasn't it? i remember someone posting that they saw amy getting
into the ambulance after the show.(and sorry folks i don't have the
post.)


barb


stop the war on iraqi people! finding a peaceful solution does not
involve doing nothing.


ffi  www.internationalanswer.org  and
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at 09:25 pm 4/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>the current energy paradigm seems to demand a military dominance over the
>world. it is safe to say, historically speaking, that we have to be
>imperialists to ensure access to what we need to keep our country running
>and consuming at this fast pace. first, we pushed aside the indigenous
>peoples of this country and dominated the resources - mining, logging, and
>drilling with abandon. these impatient industries, driven by profit, had
>no regard for the health of the communities as they tore through what we
>now know as the united states. and it is still happening, even as we
>speak, even as we go to war. the laws we have set up to protect the earth
>and to protect our communities are being
>gutted by the bush administration.

i hate to say this because i love love love the girls of course and i agree
with everything said here...but i cannot help remembering that they were
advocating voting for nader.... i'm totally for the green party and
everything they stand for, and i wish to god we had a european, coalition
style government where each party is represented, but we live in the system
we do, and if all the nader voters had voted for gore, we might not be
having these problems now.


-jenna


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let's all just
take heart that a&e's music still appeals to such a wide variety of humans
that this sort of clash, the dancers and the dignified, happens.  me (an
eighteen-year-old gutter punk) and my fifty-something fuscia-suited straight
lady seatmate had a real nice conversation about how diverse the crowd was.
and that in itself, our little, unlikely exchange, was enough to fix the show
for me.


i guess amy herself helped a bit too.


here's to the motherfuckin', gender-queer, intergenerational,
disability-rockin', dancin', standin', sittin', screamin', indigo-red re
volution.


lisa


i wasn't there....but my thoughts exactly! thanks, lisa!


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awesome to hear about another great show!!  i've always wanted to see
them at the metro.......
i'd be interested to hear what emily said about the hours.
if anyone has this show recorded could i request a boot?  karen


>>> greg flamer <gflame@ameritech.net> 04/10/03 01:45am >>>
back to your regularly scheduled concert reviews.  i take back
everything i
said about ig yesterday because they performed such an awesome show in
chicago tonight.  ok i still don't want to hear about fallopian tubes
being
removed.  and for the person who thought i was discriminating and being
put
off by only female body parts...let me clarify.  i would be just as
wigged
out if amy had written about having her testicles removed.  in fact,
i'll go
a step further and say that would disturb me much more :):).


ok, i have found the solution for all the cranky dance vs non-dance
madison
show folks.  two words--general admission.  not usually my favorite
type of
seating but when you're at the metro in chicago it's easy.  there are
no
seats!  so everyone must dance and stand and the only pissy people end
up
being short people (who we let in front of us all night).


this was an amazing night.  amy has made no secret about her love of
playing
the metro and the smile on her face all night showed why.  after
reading
about the madison show and the lukewarm crowd it does explain how
appreciative they were tonight.  the crowd knew practically every word
to
every song.  when folks were singing along to cold beer and remote
control,
emily gave that little "i'm impressed" smirk.


the night began with a pleasant surprise.  the line had formed outside
on
clark street and i was about 100 people from the front.  the entrance
friskers, however, were frisking by gender.   as a man at an ig show
this
was clearly in my favor so we shot way up to the front to be frisked by
the
men (i wasn't complaining) and got some prime spots on the floor.  i
haven't
seen them this close in years.  it was great.  kim richey was awesome.
the
crowd loved her and cheered loudly for her stuff.  i had never heard
her and
was impressed.  the best part of the show was the cocktail waitress
who
paraded around through the crowd taking beer orders.  i never had to
worry
about my spot being squeezed away but still had time for a nice buzz by
the
time ig got on.


so the girls open with least complicated.  i'll have to defer to
someone
else for the full setlist.  some others off the top of my
head...ozilline,
power of two, virginia woolf (emily had comments about ms kidman's
oscar),
she's saving me, get out the map, deconstruction, ctf (kim richey was
called
out but showed up on stage half way through the song--she looks like a
stoner), and awesome oldies like land of canaan, watershed and world
falls.
the encore was galileo and finlandia.  they did play 2 new songs.  for
the
life of me i can't think of a single line in them to refer to.  i had
never
heard either.  they brought out sheet music so these must be reaaal
new.
someone else please get us some details on these.   they were both
excellent
and the crowd was soooo good...listened without heavy chatter.  the
new
songs had great harmonies making me quite psyched for their next cd.


other randomness...just ongoing kudos to chicago and the metro all
night.
girls explained how they were in madison and just couldn't be so
closeby
without doing a metro show. they were appreciative of the huge turnout
considering they just played in chicago a month or two ago.  there was
mention of the start of the honor the earth tour tomorrow, along with
some
accompanying politics but it was very appropriate and not at all
preachy
(this is all i ask for).  some comments about peace and "these
troubled
times" but an otherwise happy and peppy concert.  crowd was very in
control.
no pushing, no drunkenness (besides maybe my own), no annoying
squirmers
trying to rush the stage, no anger, no bra burning, plenty of dancing,
plenty of energy, plenty of singing in all the right spots.  i am on
cloud
9.  look forward to more reviews.--greg


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lisa, i was curious about the crazy basketball thing too, so i looked it
up. after i figured out what emily was saying was "uconn" instead of
"yukon" it was easier. :) so yeah, the second update was right. uconn beat
tennessee. but it looks like it was close up to the end. that lady's son,
according to the lady, was "joking"  - not that funny a joke, really.
emily's response to that was kind of cute - she was so disappointed and
annoyed, and she was like, "i'm gonna have to write a song about this!"
  the heckling was stupid. people, don't yell things at amy and emily!
especially if you happen to be an idiot. probably no one here is an idiot,
but here's an idiocy self test:
  you want to hear that one song about the south in spring?
        a) "play that one song about the south in spring!"
        b) "summer in the southland!"
        c) sit quietly. listen to the damn song on your cd player when you
           get home. learn the title.
  you're disappointed the show is almost over?
        a) clap and clap, but accept it if the girls are tired and ready
           to go.
        b) scream, "dont leave us!" (kinda cute.)
        c) become angry and bitter; yell "we've been waiting since
           february!!!"
  you want to see amy's tattoo?
        a) get that one issue of girlfriends where you can see most of it.
           swoon privately and non-intrusively.
        b) demand to see amy's chest! you paid $30, and you wanna see! you
           deserve it!
        c) get the heck over it.

anyway. i had never heard kim richey before, but i really liked her set. i
loved that she had a sense of humor and made up a song to go with the
wrong song title somebody screamed at her. so i bought her cd even though
it was a ridiculous $20, and i plan to get the one that has "i'm all
right" on it, so i can add that song to my extremely soothing mix of songs
with the phrase "all right" in the lyrics. :) because it was a great song,
and i'm a huge dork.


as i mentioned before, i felt like the venue caused a bit of an energy
imbalance. and the heckling did bother me, yes. but it was still an
awesome show, musically, and we had the best seats i've ever had at an ig
show (i can thank deb for that too, lisa. :) deb rules!). so i'm happy.


-andrea


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sorry to do this to the entire list.


tammy rundle, please email me. you sent me a blank disc without a note, so
i don't know what i'm taping for you.


thanks -- bon


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> some others off the top of my head...ozilline,
> power of two, virginia woolf (emily had comments about ms kidman's
> oscar)>>>>>,
>
> what kind of comments were they? it'd be interesting to know how emily feels
> about the book/movie...


all she said was "i bet virginia woolf never thought she'd win an oscar!" while
playing the opening chords.


i also do not have a full setlist, but some of the other songs they played were
starkville, devotion, least complicated (probably still my favorite show opener)
shame on you, and yield. no chickenman, which bummed me out... i *never* get
tired of seeing that one live.


the new songs were called let me go easy (amy) and fill it up again (emily),
neither of which i'd ever heard and which i both liked a lot. they both seemd
wistful, even somber - i may be wrong, but i'm pretty sure let me go easy is
about being terminally ill - and i thought it was kind of imappropriate the way
a few people were hooting and clapping along, but on the whole the crowd was
pretty respectful. does anybody have mp3s of either of these songs? i thought
them both pretty remarkable, and i don't want to wait until next january or
whenever to hear them again :)


i was there with a friend who has never really cared for ig - she came along
because her boyfriend (who was also there) is a huge fan, and she thought they
deserved a chance - and she was totally blown away. i think she's in for the
summer tour. :)


mandy


p.s. my two cents on dancing, based on last night's show: dance along, be happy,
raise your hands at the chorus when they sing go, but for the love of pete don't
think you're doing anybody a favor by sticking your arms up in the air and doing
sign interpretations of every single word out of amy or emily's mouth.


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aw, you got new songs? in madison they said they weren't going to play any
new ones because they didn't know them well enough. so either they had
practice on the bus, or we really didn't measure up as an audience enough
for them to trust us with new stuff. boo!


i need boots. i hope somebody booted and just doesn't want to admit to it
til they get it all edited! the february chicago boot is superb - maybe
that person was at the show yesterday. that would rule.


-andrea


on thu, 10 apr 2003, mandy burton wrote:


> > some others off the top of my head...ozilline,
> > power of two, virginia woolf (emily had comments about ms kidman's
> > oscar)>>>>>,
> >
> > what kind of comments were they? it'd be interesting to know how emily feels
> > about the book/movie...
>
> all she said was "i bet virginia woolf never thought she'd win an oscar!" while
> playing the opening chords.
>
> i also do not have a full setlist, but some of the other songs they played were
> starkville, devotion, least complicated (probably still my favorite show opener)
> shame on you, and yield. no chickenman, which bummed me out... i *never* get
> tired of seeing that one live.
>
> the new songs were called let me go easy (amy) and fill it up again (emily),
> neither of which i'd ever heard and which i both liked a lot. they both seemd
> wistful, even somber - i may be wrong, but i'm pretty sure let me go easy is
> about being terminally ill - and i thought it was kind of imappropriate the way
> a few people were hooting and clapping along, but on the whole the crowd was
> pretty respectful. does anybody have mp3s of either of these songs? i thought
> them both pretty remarkable, and i don't want to wait until next january or
> whenever to hear them again :)
>
> i was there with a friend who has never really cared for ig - she came along
> because her boyfriend (who was also there) is a huge fan, and she thought they
> deserved a chance - and she was totally blown away. i think she's in for the
> summer tour. :)
>
> mandy
>
> p.s. my two cents on dancing, based on last night's show: dance along,
> be happy, raise your hands at the chorus when they sing go, but for
> the love of pete don't think you're doing anybody a favor by sticking
> your arms up in the air and doing sign interpretations of every single
> word out of amy or emily's mouth.
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quoting andrea crain <acrain@idea-inc.com>:


> aw, you got new songs? in madison they said they weren't going to play any
> new ones because they didn't know them well enough. so either they had
> practice on the bus, or we really didn't measure up as an audience enough
> for them to trust us with new stuff. boo!


emily had a music stand out for let me go easy, so my guess is that they set
themselves a goal of playing new songs last night, and that emily was barely
ready on that one (although both new songs sounded really good, not fumbly at
all.) i get the impression that the setlist was played pretty much as planned,
so they certainly didn't slip in new songs just because we were so fabulous.
although we were :)


i didn't realize there was a boot from the chicago theater show circulating... i
was there and i'd much appreciate a copy. anybody have one they'd like to swap
for something?


mandy


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<<i didn't realize there was a boot from the chicago theater show
circulating... i
was there and i'd much appreciate a copy. anybody have one they'd like to
swap
for something?


mandy>>


ok, after reading that i feel it is my duty to make a chicago theater boot
offer to the list.


2/3/03
chicago theater--chicago il


disk 1
1.become you
2.get out the map
3.jonas and ezekial
4.power of two
5.yield
6.deconstruction
7.devotion
8.the wood song
9.ozalline
10.hope alone
11.go
12.least complicated


disk 2
1.starkville
2.virginia woolf(oops)
3.virginia woolf
4.dairy queen
5.closer to fine
6.shame on you
7.collecting you
8.chickenman
9.kid fears
10.galileo


bonus track
1. let me go easy


i will take 10 b&p or trades. mandy not included. mandy email me privately
and i'll set things up for you.


marie


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i forgot to change the title in the last "ah the music post-chicago rocks"
details are there (set list)
i'll take the first 10 people for b&p or trade.  mandy email me privately
and i'll get you set up since this was your request.


marie


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that was fast!


peace


marie


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i'll open this up to the next 5 who are interested for b&p or trade.


fyi- "let me go easy" will be converted from mp3. i know many folks like
to know if a cd is mp3 sourced. the chicago show is not, but "let me go easy"
is.


-bon


copied from marie's post:
>
> 2/3/03
> chicago theater--chicago il
>
> disk 1
> 1.become you
> 2.get out the map
> 3.jonas and ezekial
> 4.power of two
> 5.yield
> 6.deconstruction
> 7.devotion
> 8.the wood song
> 9.ozalline
> 10.hope alone
> 11.go
> 12.least complicated
>
> disk 2
> 1.starkville
> 2.virginia woolf(oops)
> 3.virginia woolf
> 4.dairy queen
> 5.closer to fine
> 6.shame on you
> 7.collecting you
> 8.chickenman
> 9.kid fears
> 10.galileo
>
> bonus track
> 1. let me go easy
>
> i will take 10 b&p or trades. mandy not included. mandy email me privately
> and i'll set things up for you.
>
> marie


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i would love a boot of this too, anybody? maybe we could trade? thanks!


peace,
eileen

        + + + + + + + + + + + + + +

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                    open your eyes and step outside.
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>from: karen weaver
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>date: thu, 10 apr 2003 08:29:59 -0500
>
>awesome to hear about another great show!! i've always wanted to see
>them at the metro.......
>i'd be interested to hear what emily said about the hours.
>if anyone has this show recorded could i request a boot? karen
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the track i have as bonus track is not let me go easy,duh! i am so sorry to
have mislead you, what i have is one that she did last october that sounds
like it should be called the things that i don't have. consider it a big fat
brain fart. please accept my sincere apologies for misleading you. i
honestly thought it was let me go easy. peace and if anybody would rather go
for bonster's offer instead of mine please do, i'll understand.


marie


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i got this e-mail from my friend's husband.  she and i are going to the hte
show tonight and we are both super excited.  i guess he doesn't see why we
would be.  even though i know it's not nice, i still got a little chuckle
out of it.  i thought some of you may too.

>> have lots of fun singing kumbaya at your little liberal lesbian hoe-down
tonight

>> ahahahahah

and please nobody flame me!
:)
mi rinda


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should i file this under:
"why i'm glad i'm single" or "why i'm glad i'm gay"?


actually i think the best place to file it is under:
"never live with someone who belittles my interests"!


--- "kovacs, mirinda" <mirinda.kovacs@thomson.com>
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>
>  >> have lots of fun singing kumbaya at your little
> liberal lesbian hoe-down
> tonight
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at 02:21 pm 4/10/03 -0700, susan o'connor wrote:
>should i file this under:
>"why i'm glad i'm single" or "why i'm glad i'm gay"?
>
>actually i think the best place to file it is under:
>"never live with someone who belittles my interests"!


*i dunno - my boyfriend hates ig rem and almost everything else i listen to
- but he certainly puts up with whatever ahem, mood music i put on, and i
have to say, there are a multitude of reasons why automatic for the people
is my favorite album...


and besides - kumbaya is a great cover suggestion.

i find a great deal of wonder in this list - i lost my job - effective
tommorrow - and i have some leads and severance - and reading reviews -
etc, really has kept my spirits high - my good friend also won dar williams
tixs for me tomorrow and i get to see boyfriend and dar tommorow


its the little things that keep me believing in a higher power - good
concert reviews included!


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> i need boots. i hope somebody booted and just
> doesn't want to admit to it
> til they get it all edited! the february chicago
> boot is superb - maybe
> that person was at the show yesterday. that would
> rule.
> -andrea


amen, andrea!  as i mentioned on a boot list, anyone
who has a boot of the madison show-which despite crowd
difficulties, to which i probably contributed-is
indeed a boot god and i will worship your properly
should a boot of this show find its way miraculously
into my sweaty little hands.  appropriate
offerings-ie, b&p or a trade or both-will be procured,
if only for this one and only very sought after boot!
let us know you're out there, boot god!  (ok, i know
some things need to be believed in to be seen, but
boots are another kettle of cows all together.)  peace
and love!  lemme know, i prithee!


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mike congrats on the dar williams tickets...her new cd is the bomb.


i lost my job in november, and severance ran out in january...god does
provide.  i've had a rocky job situation for 10 years...in fact, i have had a
bad job situation since i gave up drugs :x  maybe i should go back? <did i
say that?>


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a little gastroenterology (spell that nine times fast) lesson,
courtesy of someone who is, and will forever remain, under the impression
that the ladies behind her enjoy watching her booty shake at concerts.


now then.


when you eat fats, your gallbladder squeezes out drops of bile to break down
the oils.  if you have gallstones in there, the bile's path is blocked up--
but it still tries like hell to squeeze on out, thereby creating
insurmountable and indescribable pain (do trust me on this one).  "you'll
never feel pain like this again," one doctor said to me.  "childbirth'll be
nothing."  the only thing that stops it is to avoid fat.  so you stop eating
anything oily.  everything.  no dairy, no red meat, no twinkies (!), not
even organic juice-sweetened carrot cake because the damn thing has soy
margarine in it.  bastards.


[cue spokesmodel jill:
"i lost thirty pounds on the new gallstones diet!  it was so easy-- just
three e.r. visits a week, macrobiotic meals, and a laproscopic
cholecystectomy (spell that nine times fast!), and just look at me!  thanks,
bile!"]


*j


p.s.: no one with active crohn's disease would be able to endure a tour and
life on the road.  also, fyi (and possibly tmi for greg and others of the
delicate constitution): inflammatory bowel diseases like crohn's are usually
sooner and easier confirmed than endometriosis (not to mention have
different symptoms).  if you go to the doc with abdominal pain, the last
thing they'll do is start yanking out your girlie tubing.  so scratch that
theory.


gi jill

>i was thinking, "yeah, i thought she looked a little too skinny last
>night!"
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>on wed, 9 apr 2003, mary ferrara wrote:
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> > no. i wasn't.  in fact i was wondering if she has chron's disease and
>they
> > removed a fallopian tube because they couldn't confirm the chron's.
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hey all.  due to circumstances beyond my control, my email has suffered a
rather major disruption.  i was able to re-sub to this list, but not the mle
list.  i know there are a few of you out there who are on both.  could you
help me out here and tell me how to re-sub to the mle list?  would me muchly
appreciated.  thanx!


dawn


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sign language is the same as singing or speaking for some people.  would
you begrudge someone the right of singing along?  and perhaps someone was
sick and couldn't sing but wanted to express themselves by another means?
asl is a beautiful thing, so don't knock it until you've tried it.  ;)


-tracy
http://www.dykewrite.com/texasyankee


wasn't me, though...


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okay.....i 'm sick again, so i was very physically uncomfortable the
whole time. last night and therefore couldn't keep a mental track
listing of all the songs like i usually can....


that said, the show was wonderful...it was
so informal compared to the usual ig shows where they just play and
leave. wynona laduke is a very powerful speaker, and motivator.!!


they lost the sound durin.....uh....(help me out someone) gotm? was it?
and that left the girls to their own resources, but the crowd loved it
and sang anyway.....emily said quite a few things during that, and that
kept us going. i don't remember what she said.


what i loved most was the crowd jamming, sitting on the floor in front
of the stage. (they had a wonderful question and answer session!!
everyone lined up and got to ask one question.)


here's the setlist from my jumbled up memory!
this is not in order.


1. hammer and nail
2. become you
3.  shame on you
4.  gotm (or whatever, you my corrcet me if you were there.
5.  let it be me
6.  finlandia
7.  galileo
8.  closer to fine
9.  nuevas senioritas
10.let me go easy


and best of all i got a ride from lisa holt, another listee, and we had
so much fun on the way down and back....lisa? you rock.


peace
barb


stop the war on iraqi people! finding a peaceful solution does not
involve doing nothing.


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last night was wonderful!  really one of my favorite ig shows, except for
the fact that it was a short set list.  but i knew that one going in, so it
was expected.
the show started off with a&e singing:
hammer & a nail
become you
then there was winona speaking.  the focus was on energy alternatives.
particularly getting away from nuclear waste (xcel energy) and going towards
wind power.  it was great.  the crowd was very receptive and cheered often!!
excellent speaking and not one second of it boring.
then the girls came back out and sang closer to fine.  about half way
through the song people started to move to the front of the chairs to dance.
naturally my friend and i raced out there and we were up close front and
center.  it was awesome!  everyone dancing and having a great time.  they
then sang shame on you.  in the middle of the song they lost power!  it was
funny because the crowd was singing so long it took us a while to realize
what was going on.  amy and emily were just laughing and for a moment we
thought they were laughing at our exuberance.  then emily shouted "we lost
power!  maybe we should make a note to talk about xcel after we do our set."
that was funny.  so then they tried to fix it and were just standing there
like "what should we do."  that was when the crowd really became wonderful.
we started our own singing.  we sang get out the map for amy and emily.
they were so impressed with us that they clapped for us when we were done.
about two minutes after we finished the song they finally got the power back
up.  amy then asked us if we wanted them to start the song over or start
from where they left off, which she said would be interesting.  of course
everyone wanted to hear the song again from the beginning.  so basically we
got two versions of shame on you last night.  then came:
let it be me!!! - i was so excited to hear this song, flawless performance
of it.  definitely suiting during our present situation.  after the line
about the president has no good idea who the masses are everyone was
screaming.  emily had a momentary pause and chuckle before going on.
let me go easy - really a good song!  very upbeat considering the subject of
the song. i really liked it!
everything in it's own time - another shocker to hear live, how exciting!
as with every song, they gave a beautiful performance.  the crowd was
silent.  they thanked us for listening so well afterwards.
nuevas senoritas
galileo - obvious crowd favorite, tons of fun!
after galileo they had us all sit down, we just sat on the ground in front
of the stage.  they brought winona back out and had a question and answer
time.  there were some really great questions asked and i was really
impressed.
they closed the show with finlandia.  you could have heard a pin drop, it
was silent in there.  beautiful.  lovely way to end the show.
i didn't get the chance to stick around afterwards and try to talk to them
because it was 11:15 by the time the show let out and my friend was tired.
i also had to work this morning so it wouldn't have been a good plan.  i'd
love to hear from people who did stick around.
anyway, that's my review.  i hope you liked it.  i added up 10 songs.
someone let me know if there were more that i am missing.  i really tried to
make a mental note of all the songs this time.
sweet indigo music.  there is nothing better.  i was smiling in my sleep all
night.
-mi rinda


ps. they mentioned that they are working on getting a new album out.
someone yelled "about time" or something along those lines.  emily looked
hurt and said that she thought they were doing pretty good.  that their last
record was out a year ago in march.  then amy said "i don't know how some of
those people put out two records a year.  or how she does, i should say."
anyone know the specific "she" referred to there?


mi rinda


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probably ani! ani seems to put out every song that flits through her head.
i love me some ani, but the woman could stand to edit, y'know?


on fri, 11 apr 2003, kovacs, mirinda wrote:


> last night was wonderful!  really one of my favorite ig shows, except for
> the fact that it was a short set list.  but i knew that one going in, so it
> was expected.
> the show started off with a&e singing:
> hammer & a nail
> become you
> then there was winona speaking.  the focus was on energy alternatives.
> particularly getting away from nuclear waste (xcel energy) and going towards
> wind power.  it was great.  the crowd was very receptive and cheered often!!
> excellent speaking and not one second of it boring.
> then the girls came back out and sang closer to fine.  about half way
> through the song people started to move to the front of the chairs to dance.
> naturally my friend and i raced out there and we were up close front and
> center.  it was awesome!  everyone dancing and having a great time.  they
> then sang shame on you.  in the middle of the song they lost power!  it was
> funny because the crowd was singing so long it took us a while to realize
> what was going on.  amy and emily were just laughing and for a moment we
> thought they were laughing at our exuberance.  then emily shouted "we lost
> power!  maybe we should make a note to talk about xcel after we do our set."
> that was funny.  so then they tried to fix it and were just standing there
> like "what should we do."  that was when the crowd really became wonderful.
> we started our own singing.  we sang get out the map for amy and emily.
> they were so impressed with us that they clapped for us when we were done.
> about two minutes after we finished the song they finally got the power back
> up.  amy then asked us if we wanted them to start the song over or start
> from where they left off, which she said would be interesting.  of course
> everyone wanted to hear the song again from the beginning.  so basically we
> got two versions of shame on you last night.  then came:
> let it be me!!! - i was so excited to hear this song, flawless performance
> of it.  definitely suiting during our present situation.  after the line
> about the president has no good idea who the masses are everyone was
> screaming.  emily had a momentary pause and chuckle before going on.
> let me go easy - really a good song!  very upbeat considering the subject of
> the song. i really liked it!
> everything in it's own time - another shocker to hear live, how exciting!
> as with every song, they gave a beautiful performance.  the crowd was
> silent.  they thanked us for listening so well afterwards.
> nuevas senoritas
> galileo - obvious crowd favorite, tons of fun!
> after galileo they had us all sit down, we just sat on the ground in front
> of the stage.  they brought winona back out and had a question and answer
> time.  there were some really great questions asked and i was really
> impressed.
> they closed the show with finlandia.  you could have heard a pin drop, it
> was silent in there.  beautiful.  lovely way to end the show.
> i didn't get the chance to stick around afterwards and try to talk to them
> because it was 11:15 by the time the show let out and my friend was tired.
> i also had to work this morning so it wouldn't have been a good plan.  i'd
> love to hear from people who did stick around.
> anyway, that's my review.  i hope you liked it.  i added up 10 songs.
> someone let me know if there were more that i am missing.  i really tried to
> make a mental note of all the songs this time.
> sweet indigo music.  there is nothing better.  i was smiling in my sleep all
> night.
> -mi rinda
>
> ps. they mentioned that they are working on getting a new album out.
> someone yelled "about time" or something along those lines.  emily looked
> hurt and said that she thought they were doing pretty good.  that their last
> record was out a year ago in march.  then amy said "i don't know how some of
> those people put out two records a year.  or how she does, i should say."
> anyone know the specific "she" referred to there?
>
> mi rinda
>
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>only one of amy's sleeves was rolled up.


lisa, you say this like it was another indicator of a bad show. amy is
forever having only one sleeve rolled up. and usually the unrolled sleeve
has the cuff unbuttoned. it's like amy's signature shirt style, if you will.
(although i'm sure she doesn't look at it that way. it's most likely a
comfort-while-playing thing.) anyway, i have always loved this incongruous
look of hers. i guess i have a thing for the disheveled, androgynous look.
:)

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thanxs all.  got it back.  be well.


dawn


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someone posted that indigo girls were going to be at telluride
bluegrass...  whoever that was, please email me.


g.


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indigo girls return to minnesota for a good cause
jon bream,  star tribune


published april 10, 2003

the indigo girls perform more often in the twin cities than they do in their hometown of atlanta.
"minneapolis is a place where we can go and have a great audience," said amy ray of the grammy-winning indigos, who sang in the cities in february and july. "and i enjoy being there.
"i have a membership at the 'y' there," she continued. "and i have relatives there, too; i always see them. on a personal level, we just love that city."
unbeknownst to their many minnesota fans, the indigos -- ray and emily saliers -- come to minneapolis even more often to attend board meetings of honor the earth, an organization that campaigns for environmental issues related to american indian lands.
tonight, the folk-rock duo will return to minnesota to launch the fifth honor the earth tour at st. olaf college in northfield.
"we're starting in a place that we're very familiar with," ray said. "in minnesota, we've been working on the prairie island [nuclear power plant on mdewakanton dakota land] since we started honor the earth" in 1991.
the indigos and indian activist winona laduke, twice a vice presidential candidate for the green party, will speak about the environment and energy production, such as the buffalo ridge wind-power project in southwestern minnesota. the eight-college tour is also a fundraiser for the minneapolis-based honor the earth, which since 1993 has disseminated $575,000 to indian environmental groups.
at st. olaf, the indigos, known for the hits "closer to fine" and last year's "moment of forgiveness," also will sing for about 45 minutes. the music won't necessarily be political, ray said, except perhaps for "finlandia," about peace, and "point hope," about an alaskan village affected by nuclear testing.
for the first time on an honor the earth tour, the indigos will do a question-and-answer session after their performance, said ray.
"that's when it's good to go to a college," said the singer/ songwriter, who turns 39 saturday. "it's an institute of learning and hopefully everybody's engaged."
even though energy issues are their focus, will the indigo girls address the war in iraq?
"it ties in really well, unfortunately," ray said on monday. "we feel like this war is tied up in oil. it's one of the agendas. for me, it's an example when you have this paradigm of nonrenewable energy sources like oil, when you run out of having it where you are, you have to go somewhere else and get it. i think that is always supported by a military system and the philosophy of dominance. when you have renewable sources, it's more supportive in a peaceful way.
"i know there's this idea of bringing democracy to the people, and saddam hussein is a terrible person. i'm a believer in democracy -- and i'm appreciative in having a voice. but i don't think that's our main agenda in going to iraq.
"i think it's going to be hard to make peace with people after you've bombed the hell out of them. i know a lot of people aren't going to agree. but i think it's good to dialogue about it.
"hey, i've got a cousin [in the service] over there right now. i want them to be safe, too, but i don't want them to be there. once it starts, it's very complex. i'm still against it; i'm a pro-united nations person. let's use that body to make things work."
despite her frustration with the war, ray finds purpose and comfort in undertaking the honor the earth tour. "it makes me feel like i'm doing something hopeful," she said.
after the tour ends on earth day (april 22), the indigo girls will return to the recording studio. then they plan to hit the road in august. don't be surprised if you see them again in the twin cities.


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for under $200... what would you recommend?


barb


stop the war on iraqi people! finding a peaceful solution does not
involve doing nothing.


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quote:
>the music won't necessarily be political...except for..."point hope,"
>about an alaskan village affected by nuclear testing.


can someone fill me in on when they ever played this song live and if so,
what was the last time? and was it taped? i can see it done on these tours i
guess (hte), but have never seen it in the normal tours.


if they do this song on this short tour, i'll shit. this is probably by far,
one of amy's finest songs. top 3 easily and still not availabe on a
compilation or anything. i can't believe its not in the regular setlist (or
even on occasion).


ack. play it amy!!!!!!! i think multiple emails to russel carter about this
is in order.


have fun at the shows...you lucky dogs.
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you might be interested to know that ig plan to release a "rarities"
compilation and there is always the possibility that this song will be on
it.  according to lifeblood.net, this song was played live at the following
shows:


1998/08/02: eddie's attic - decatur, georgia
1998/12/27: eddie's attic - decatur, georgia
2000/04/06: duke ellington ballroom - dekalb, illinois (the spitfire tour)
2000/04/07: indiana university - indiana, pennsylvania
2000/10/02: civic center - great falls, montana (honor the earth)
2000/10/04: adams event center - missoula, montana (honor the earth)
2000/10/11: kiva auditorium - albuquerque, new mexico (honor the earth)
2000/10/12: fillmore theater - denver, colorado (honor the earth)
2000/10/16: orpheum theater - minneapolis, minnesota (honor the earth)


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i saw it at the musicfest concert (bethlehem, pa) summer of '98, couple
days after newport. i think it had been played like one time before that.
it was funny cuz none of us had a clue where the song came from. amy
didn't say anything about it being hers.
-sam


> quote:
> >the music won't necessarily be political...except for..."point hope,"
> >about an alaskan village affected by nuclear testing.
>
> can someone fill me in on when they ever played this song live and if so,
> what was the last time? and was it taped? i can see it done on these tours i
> guess (hte), but have never seen it in the normal tours.


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andrea crain wrote:

she didn't, but a couple months ago someone saw an interview that
mentioned a breakup. anyone remember where?

here's the article:


january 15, 2003

indigo girl to bring new punk sound to cat's cradle

by ashley harrell
staff writer

january 15, 2003

when indigo girl amy ray wakes up in the morning, the first thing she
thinks about isn't being a role model for millions
but feeding her cats.

she's housed as many as 10 stray cats at once, one of many quirks that
sets her apart from most rock stars.

"i don't feel famous," she says. but she is famous -- just ask the
devoted and drunken fans who requested her autograph
on their bare butts at a concert.

when people hear the name amy ray, the indigo girls immediately come to
mind, but that might change. she has set
harmonizing aside for now and picked up an electric guitar and a punk
band.

thursday night, cat's cradle will witness her metamorphosis firsthand.
having played in chapel hill on several occasions
since 1985, she looks forward to the performance.

"i grew up playing in chapel hill -- great scene," ray said.

now touring with durham's the butchies and bringing rock from her new
album stag to the people, ray is exploring a
more "sweaty and organic" music style.

although setting up all her equipment can be tiring, ray said she enjoys
the younger crowds and smaller rock clubs -- a
truly raw experience.

a few years after the indigo girls signed with epic records, ray created
her own independent label, daemon records, to
help young musicians build names for themselves.

"i didn't want to let go of the independent community," she said.

disliking "the struggle over art as a commodity," ray believes
creativity is lost thanks to big-name labels in "the
bastardizing machine" -- her alias for the music industry.

she did not expect to produce her own album through daemon -- but songs
she wrote that did not fit the indigo mold
began to accumulate. that pile of songs became stag.

a forceful and poignant collection of mostly punk songs, stag was
written in collaboration with various artists who
inspired ray, including the butchies and rock*a*teens.

the album deals mainly with the imposed standards of gender, problems
ray has with the music business and her own
shortcomings.

she said she often notices weaknesses in other people that she later
recognizes as her own. in addition to her humility,
ray also knows how to laugh at herself.

"once when i was opening for neil young, i ran out on the stage trying
to look cool and fell down the stairs," she
recalled. she also remembers hitting herself in the face with the
microphone.

even though she has a sense of humor, ray is serious about female
activism.

in the song "lucy stoners (don't need boners)," ray indicts rolling
stone editor-in-chief jan wenner for his unequal
treatment of male and female rock stars and praises lucy stoner, the
first married female to retain her last name.

emily saliers, the other half of the indigo girls, playfully disapproved
when she heard that tune, but ray said saliers has
been really supportive of stag and eventually might do her own solo
record.

in addition to breaking off from the indigo girls, ray also has split
recently from her girlfriend of five years.

"we had a great relationship, and i learned so much," she said. "but
there is something to be said for being alone." ray
enjoys the extra time to fix up her house, get back in touch with
friends who she "let slide" and pursue her music.

ray might not be single for long though, already having received a
letter from a 93-year-old woman attempting to fix her
up with her granddaughter.

ray found the gesture endearing but also said she is "starting to enjoy
being single."

although she has established herself as a rocker, ray shows no intention
of turning in her indigo girl uniform.

the band has one more album to deliver in its record deal with epic, but
for now, ray continues to explore her punk side.

tickets for ray's transformation at the cradle are $8. doors open at 8
p.m.

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thanks for the info. i hope it makes the rarities disc.


>from: "<victoria heckler>" <victoria.heckler@ppfa.org>
>
>you might be interested to know that ig plan to release a "rarities"
>compilation and there is always the possibility that this song will be
>on it.  according to lifeblood.net, this song was played live at the
>following shows:
>
>2000/04/07: indiana university - indiana, pennsylvania


ack. i was at this show. the memory is officially gone. i wonder if this is
taped................as i do not remember it but frankly, it was new then i
think and it could be i didn't know it. ha. i did hear it live then.


i still think it should be added to the regular setlist.
dpm.


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i'm interested in getting some ideas about that too....any tapers that can give guidance?


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i too lost 31 pounds on the *my gallbladder is infected and i have 3 =
huge gallstones* diet. my chances of having a baby are slim (being =
single and lesbian *ahem, cough*  so the pain i experienced that sent me =
to the emergency room was as close as i want to get to childbirth. i am =
with jill, i bet amy was having gallbladder attacks and has lost some =
weight. god, i feel for her.


paula, who now feels soooooooo much better.
  ----- original message -----=20
  from: jill certo=20
  to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org=20
  sent: thursday, april 10, 2003 11:14 pm
  subject: gallstones: better than dexatrim!

  a little gastroenterology (spell that nine times fast) lesson,
  courtesy of someone who is, and will forever remain, under the =
impression
  that the ladies behind her enjoy watching her booty shake at concerts.


  now then.


  when you eat fats, your gallbladder squeezes out drops of bile to =
break down
  the oils.  if you have gallstones in there, the bile's path is blocked =
up--
  but it still tries like hell to squeeze on out, thereby creating
  insurmountable and indescribable pain (do trust me on this one).  =
"you'll
  never feel pain like this again," one doctor said to me.  =
"childbirth'll be
  nothing."  the only thing that stops it is to avoid fat.  so you stop =
eating
  anything oily.  everything.  no dairy, no red meat, no twinkies (!), =
not
  even organic juice-sweetened carrot cake because the damn thing has =
soy
  margarine in it.  bastards.


  [cue spokesmodel jill:
  "i lost thirty pounds on the new gallstones diet!  it was so easy-- =
just
  three e.r. visits a week, macrobiotic meals, and a laproscopic
  cholecystectomy (spell that nine times fast!), and just look at me!  =
thanks,
  bile!"]


  *j


  p.s.: no one with active crohn's disease would be able to endure a =
tour and
  life on the road.  also, fyi (and possibly tmi for greg and others of =
the
  delicate constitution): inflammatory bowel diseases like crohn's are =
usually
  sooner and easier confirmed than endometriosis (not to mention have
  different symptoms).  if you go to the doc with abdominal pain, the =
last
  thing they'll do is start yanking out your girlie tubing.  so scratch =
that
  theory.


  gi jill

  >i was thinking, "yeah, i thought she looked a little too skinny last
  >night!"
  >
  >
  >on wed, 9 apr 2003, mary ferrara wrote:
  >
  > > no. i wasn't.  in fact i was wondering if she has chron's disease =
and
  >they
  > > removed a fallopian tube because they couldn't confirm the =
chron's.
  > >
  > > --
  > > do not quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the =
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me three me three...!


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i would write another review, but mirinda covered it.  i'd like to add that
the power on shame on you went out right as she began to say "the beautiful
girls"..., which i thought was an especially funny time for it, given that
the crowd was for once not mostly packed with dykes.  i expected to hear
something along the lines of "and we'd like to thank fred phelps on sound!"
    i got off my scaredy-ass and danced!  it was so great to see them with an
audience that didn't necessarily know too much about them, that maybe was so
full in part because the show was free to st. olaf students.  i think that's
a better crowd to see them in, frankly.  keeps it interesting, and you know
that some people are learning and hearing things they might otherwise not.
however, i was really impressed with how well the dancing crowd knew the
words - it was one of the most enthusiastic and clear singalongs i've heard.
particularly when everyone began to spontaneously sing get out the map to the
girls?  wheee!!  i feel fuckin' blessed to have gone to this show.  and i
almost (as in was next in line) got to ask winona la duke and the girls a
question.  amy looked disappointed when they cut off the questions, so next
time, i guess.


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i would write a fuller review, but mi rinda covered it.  i'd like to add that
the power on shame on you went out right as she began to say "the beautiful
girls", which i thought was an especially funny time for it, given that the
crowd was for once not mostly packed with dykes.  i thought: "...and we'd
like to thank fred phelps on sound!"
    i got off my scaredy-ass and danced.  it was so great to see them with an
audience that didn't necessarily know too much about them, that maybe was so
full in part because the show was free to st. olaf students.  i think that's
a better crowd to see them in, frankly.  keeps it interesting, and you know
that some people are learning and hearing things they might otherwise not.
and no heckling!  however, i was really impressed with how well the dancing
crowd knew the words - it was one of the most enthusiastic and clear
singalongs i've heard.  particularly when everyone began to spontaneously
sing get out the map to the girls?  wheee!!  i guess i'm not the only
eighteen-year-old indigo-rabid kid around.   and i almost (as in was next in
line) got to ask winona la duke and the girls a question.  "how can i as a
white kid who grew up in the suburbs work with native communities in a
culturally respecful way?" amy looked disappointed when they cut off the
questions, so next time, i guess.
    the only thing i would have changed would have been to have them play go
as a send-off after finlandia - everyone would have gotten all pumped and
ready to go storm the card tables.  they picked up their guitars when they
came out to play finlandia, so i got squirmy with excitement, thinking they
were gonna do it.  but alas, they put them down again without playing them.
the crowd clapped for an encore longer and more dedicatedly than i've ever
heard before, but they didn't come back. can't have everything.   i still
felt high when i left.
    basically, i feel fuckin' blessed to have gone to this show.


lisa


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isn't today amy's birthday?  looks like she has a few days off in between shows.


happy birthday, amy!


rena


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in a message dated 4/12/2003 9:16:09 am pacific daylight time,=20
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> isn't today amy's birthday? =20


it sure is!  happy birthday, amy!!!!!


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here here! i know exactly what everyone is saying!! i had gallstones for
six months (and didn't know it until  after four months had gone by. by
then i began hving gallbladder attacks where i felt like i had a huge
bowling ball in my stomach, and couldn't talk it hurt so much!.)


i was unemployed for disability,and was in the process of getting  ma,
had no way to pay for the surgery!! and began carrying taking
gulping shots of mylanta (all over town and accross country)  mmmm?
mmmmmm!


i finally got te surgery okayed and was being given a final check-up,
when surprize surprize!
my thyroid was down! and was told to wait six more weeks and get it back
up!!  i said,"i can't wait that long, i'm having attacks every other day
now, and i can't breathe!!" he said,"there's always the er." i
said,"fine. i'll see you there."


four days later i had an attack, it didn't go away at all, and you know
where i landed... i waited
in absolute pain all night long there...when the surgeon came in at 7am
and he put me on anti biotics, and admitted me....oh....what a relief!!


every gall bladder sufferer out there? i know
your pain.


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hey all,
    my mother suffered from gall bladder disease when she was pregnant with
me 33 years ago. poor woman was in severe pain for much of the nine months
and had to wait until after she delivered to have gb removed. she has spent
my lifetime attributing any health problem i've ever had to the fact that
she was so sick while pregnant with me, was unable to eat properly and
didn't gain enough weight. ah, maternal guilt ; 0 she has a huge scar from
the gb removal, but when my big sis had the same operation in 2001, it was a
same-day surgery and resulted in just a small incision. my mom and sister
were both greatly relieved from months and months of pain after having their
gb removed, so i hope amy experiences the same renewed good health. i
thought it was really open of amy to share her experience with her fans, and
i hope she has a fabulous birthday (it's today, isn't it?)
have a good weekend, everybody!
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what would you have asked them lisa? there are so many things i would like
to know/ask i wouldnt know what to ask first.


hannah - loving all these reviews!

>from: lisa holt <lisamorganholt@aol.com>
>date: sat, 12 apr 2003 11:40:33 edt
>
i feel fuckin' blessed to have gone to this show.  and i
>almost (as in was next in line) got to ask winona la duke and the girls a
>question.  amy looked disappointed when they cut off the questions, so next
>time, i guess.
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i thought amy said in her letter that she had surgery for endometriosis?  of course that might have affected the gall-bladder and fallopian tube (sorry to the squeamish) as well. painful anyway; hope she feels better. and happy birthday, amy!

peace,
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what is endometriosis?
endometriosis is a painful, chronic disease that affects 5 1/2 million women and girls in the usa and canada, and millions more worldwide. it occurs when tissue like that which lines the uterus (tissue called the endometrium) is found outside the uterus -- usually in the abdomen on the ovaries, fallopian tubes, and ligaments that support the uterus; the area between the vagina and rectum; the outer surface of the uterus; and the lining of the pelvic cavity. other sites for these endometrial growths may include the bladder, bowel, vagina, cervix, vulva, and in abdominal surgical scars. less commonly they are found in the lung, arm, thigh, and other locations.


this misplaced tissue develops into growths or lesions which respond to the menstrual cycle in the same way that the tissue of the uterine lining does: each month the tissue builds up, breaks down, and sheds. menstrual blood flows from the uterus and out of the body through the vagina, but the blood and tissue shed from endometrial growths has no way of leaving the body. this results in internal bleeding, breakdown of the blood and tissue from the lesions, and inflammation -- and can cause pain, infertility, scar tissue formation, adhesions, and bowel problems.
from http://www.endometriosisassn.org/endo.html


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in a message dated 4/12/2003 11:18:49 am central daylight time,
ritesofpassage9@webtv.net writes:

> every gall bladder sufferer out there? i know
> your pain.
>
oh, i know this is sooo off the topic of ig music, but for those of you who
still do not appreciate the kind of pain associated with gallstones, i have
had two children with no medication and the gallstone pain was worse!!!!!  i
cannot imagine being on tour with the spector of an attack hanging over your
head.


breathe peace,


pam in big d


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i actually suffered an attack just before and all during the ig concert
at suny buffalo last year -- and i've played several gigs while in the
grip of its pain.  and the hospital stay last year was no picnic either.
after 5 days of testing, poking and prodding they sent me home with a
huge stack of bills and a gallbladder that still flares up on occasion.
i've had no choice but to try to control it with a modified diet.
thankfully, it's been mostly successful, save for an occasional slip up,
but i always worry when i eat something that could be potentially
troublesome.


ladies, i know your pain...


peace,
tim


on sat, 12 apr 2003 23:43:12 edt pam myers-morgan <mnoelm@aol.com>
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> >
> oh, i know this is sooo off the topic of ig music, but for those of
> you who
> still do not appreciate the kind of pain associated with gallstones,
> i have
> had two children with no medication and the gallstone pain was
> worse!!!!!  i
> cannot imagine being on tour with the spector of an attack hanging
> over your
> head.
>
> breathe peace,
>
> pam in big d


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this is an extract from amy's letter on the official site - so not gallstones, painful as i agree they are.  endometriosis can be very dangerous if left untreated, i'm glad amy is ok now.
>       i am feeling good after 6 months of a mysterious abdominal pain. i had surgery for endometriosis but i am now happily walking around minus one gallbladder and one fallopian tube. <

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i guess my nerdy writer-ness has been exposed, as i accidentally posted two
drafts of my honor the earth review.  sorry, folks!


lisa


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friends,
i may not be able to use the two 3rd row seats that i scored for the =
ellen d. show in atlanta on this coming sunday.  i may have to be out of =
town.  is anyone out there interested in buying them?  they are seats in =
the pit, row cc, seats 1-2.  they are $108.30 total and i only want to =
recoup my cost.
the show is at symphony hall and starts at 7:30p.  i would have to get =
the tickets at will call one hour before the show and meet you then for =
the exchange.
please reply privately.
thanks.
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as i read my message, how is it that i would be out of town, but could meet
you at the venue to give you the tickets?  what i meant is that i would have
to immediately leave to drive out of town upon exchanging the tickets.
sorry for any confusion.  just wanted to clarify that.
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friends,
i may not be able to use the two 3rd row seats that i scored for the ellen
d. show in atlanta on this coming sunday.  i may have to be out of town.  is
anyone out there interested in buying them?  they are seats in the pit, row
cc, seats 1-2.  they are $108.30 total and i only want to recoup my cost.
the show is at symphony hall and starts at 7:30p.  i would have to get the
tickets at will call one hour before the show and meet you then for the
exchange.
please reply privately.
thanks.
cheri


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bonster!
need your address
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let me also state for the record as an endometriosis sufferer, endo can be
incredibly painful.  i went through a terrible labor with my son, but it
wasn't as bad as the cramps that you can get from endo.  and, unlike
gallstones, there is no cure for endo.  i hope that the removal of her tube
helps amy to live pain free for a long time.  this is not a disease i would
wish upon my worst enemy.
-mi rinda


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this is an extract from amy's letter on the official site - so not
gallstones, painful as i agree they are.  endometriosis can be very
dangerous if left untreated, i'm glad amy is ok now.


>       i am feeling good after 6 months of a mysterious abdominal pain. i
had surgery for endometriosis but i am now happily walking around minus one
gallbladder and one fallopian tube. <


peace,


eileen


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i guess i can come out of the closet, so here goes...


i had my gall bladder removed last may because of gallstones. i advised to have the surgery because i was told even with a modified diet, they could return.


somebody asked me what gallstones felt like and i said it was like being stabbed from the inside. it's is the kind of pain that keeps you from working because you can't concentrate, medicine does you no good and it can flare up anytime.


when i said i was coming out of the closet, what did you all think i meant?


-scott


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in case y'all haven't seen this yet, it can take a couple of minutes to =
load but it's worth it -   =
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<<in case y'all haven't seen this yet, it can take a couple of minutes to
load but it's worth it -
http://www.greeleytrib.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?site=gr&date=20030411&categ
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dude, they totally ripped off their "side lights" points from an article i
wrote about ten years ago. (or from someone who ripped off that article -
like the virgin pop encyclopaedia).


i just thought i'd share :)


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in a message dated 4/14/03 10:05:25 am eastern daylight time,
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> when i said i was coming out of the closet, what did you all think i meant?
>
> -scott
>
>


damn scott!  and i needed a new toaster oven too!


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too right! keep well, amy and mirinda.

peace,
eileen

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>from: "kovacs, mirinda"
>reply-to: "kovacs, mirinda"
>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
>subject: re: gallstones or endometriosis?
>date: mon, 14 apr 2003 08:31:56 -0500
>
>let me also state for the record as an endometriosis sufferer, endo can be
>incredibly painful. i went through a terrible labor with my son, but it
>wasn't as bad as the cramps that you can get from endo. and, unlike
>gallstones, there is no cure for endo. i hope that the removal of her tube
>helps amy to live pain free for a long time. this is not a disease i would
>wish upon my worst enemy.
>-mi rinda
>
>-----original message-----
>from: eileen standen [mailto:eileen_standen@hotmail.com]
>sent: sunday, april 13, 2003 8:03 am
>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
>subject: re: gallstones or endometriosis?
>
>
>
>this is an extract from amy's letter on the official site - so not
>gallstones, painful as i agree they are. endometriosis can be very
>dangerous if left untreated, i'm glad amy is ok now.
>
> > i am feeling good after 6 months of a mysterious abdominal pain. i
>had surgery for endometriosis but i am now happily walking around minus one
>gallbladder and one fallopian tube. <
>
>peace,
>
>eileen
>
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> open your eyes and step outside.
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sorry for the bandwidth but msn says noway to ines.  =20


duhpike, would you please send that zip file with the killer b sides line=
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hey there ho there how do you do?  this is audra saying hi to you!


okay i admit it - i was watching the princess diaries yesterday
*grins*


in any case - it's time for weekly birthday announcements!  let's
give it up for the following:


april 14, 1978
arin palmer (apthree@aol.com)


april 15
jennifer kwok
jkwok@cc.umanitoba.ca


april 15
misty (mwade0415@aol.com)
"the prize is always worth the rocky ride" -- emily saliers


april 16 ('65)
swater11@aol.com
"trying to hold it like rain in a river..."


april 16
beecup1@aol.com (theresa)


april 17, 1970
indigobabs@aol.com (barbara todd)
"i wanna go too far, i wanna go too fast/ somebody draw the line so i
can
blow right past/ i wanna spend too much, i wanna stay too late/ i'm
gonna roar
too loud, i'm gonna be that way/ i wanna play too hard, i wanna go
too far"
trisha yearwood


april 20
tuesdayschild@pc-webonics.com (dianne connell)
"memories linger like the fog on the sea
keeping me out of touch with my reality
nothing could ever mean as much to me
as tuesday's children"


april 20
alissa irving (mari798106@aol.com)
"there is no terror in the bang, only in the anticipation of it."
--alfred hitchcock

hope you're having wonderful times celebrating, and that you are
staying safe.  happy birthday!


love and devotion,
audra
bge

"when i say 'i will be true to you' i am drawing a quiet space
beyond the reach of other desires.  no-one can legislate love;
it cannot be given orders or cajoled into service.  love belongs
to itself, deaf to pleading and unmoved by violence.  love is
not something you can negotiate.  love is the one thing stronger
than desire and the only proper reason to resist temptation."
         -- jeanette winterson, _written on the body_ (p. 77-78)


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