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date:         tue, 15 apr 2003 01:13:36 -0400
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... which i am too lazy to think about myself, my head is full of databases at the moment...


have either of the girls ever written a song that doesn't have a chorus?


happy happy (& peace) -
sherlyn


ps - when you're replying to someone else's message please cut out all except the text you're replying to.  it only takes a second and it makes life for people on digest a lot easier.  thanks...


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date:         tue, 15 apr 2003 01:27:20 -0500
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hey does anyone happen to have the chords or tabs for tracy's song "for =
you"? i'd love to learn that one :)
take care y'all!

mandy (in oklahoma soon to be in seattle)


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date:         tue, 15 apr 2003 11:25:06 edt
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hkf's,


cool thread....


ummm, i'd say that starksville is kinda chrous(or bridge)-less... so is johny
rotten,


that's the fist two that jump into my head


joe
manhattan,ny


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date:         tue, 15 apr 2003 08:23:59 -0700
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language or the kiss is the first one i thought of.


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hkf's,


cool thread....


ummm, i'd say that starksville is kinda chrous(or bridge)-less... so is
johny
rotten,


that's the fist two that jump into my head


joe
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date:         tue, 15 apr 2003 10:46:45 -0500
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i'm surprised no one's mentioned "blood quantum." from the honor cd, but
it's still early in the discussion thread!


peace
barb


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involve doing nothing.


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date:         tue, 15 apr 2003 10:52:50 -0500
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individually speaking what do you think are amy's strongest, and emily's
strongest songs
to date? for amy...i'd say it's strange fire, and
for emily it's virginia woolfe.


peace
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date:         tue, 15 apr 2003 09:52:36 -0700
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philosophy of loss is the first one that comes to my mind.


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date:         tue, 15 apr 2003 13:18:40 -0400
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this documentary was broadcast on global tv in canada sometime in march. i
found out about this video through the list, but i didn't see anything more
on it.  so this is my review. the official credits are available at
http://lilithontop.com - click the big logo to enter the site.


there is indeed some indigo girls content: early on, a whole bunch of people
singing "closer to fine" with them, and later, almost at the end, a short
slice of "love's recovery".  in between, two short sound bites from an
interview, emily right after ctf, and amy right around love's recovery.  i
didn't use a stopwatch, but i'd say less than three minutes all told.


what there is on this video is a huge amount of sarah mclachlan and a bunch
of bits of performances by a long list of lilith fair participants:


sheryl crow, k's choice, noella hutton, chrissie hynde, lisa loeb, kinnie
starr (a spoken word piece half responsible for the "explicit language"
warning), beth orton (the other half of the warning), queen latifah, susan
tedeschi, and a lot more.


i doubt that there's an entire song from anyone in the hour documentary.
most are just long enough to identify.  there are heaps of talking heads,
some identified and famous, some neither.  the majority of the footage seems
to be from cleveland, with some bits in other places.  there are enough
different pieces that sarah's hairstyle changes during the hour. there's
some backstage bits, nothing fabulous.  there's a bit of the pro- and anti-
lilith fair


the highlight is when sarah, wearing a red sequin tube top and dancing on
stage with chrissie hynde, turns her back to the camera and flashes the
band.  chrissie is literally on the floor laughing.


if you're a sarah m fan or an absolute completist, i can borrow a second vcr
and do b&p or trade.  however, my original is mono sound at lp speed on a
not-new tape, it shows noise bars.  i can't guarantee the quality of any
copies.


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date:         tue, 15 apr 2003 12:31:05 -0500
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amy:
dairy queen (even though i know it hasn't been officially released yet)
jonas & ezekial
point hope
emily:
wood song
deconstruction
ghost
love's recovery


you did say songs, not song.  i don't think i could choose just one.
those are my choices, i'd love to hear others.


-mi rinda


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date:         tue, 15 apr 2003 13:34:12 -0400
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amy's touch me fall is amazing. i wasn't a big fan of it at first, but it
certainly grew on me. something to be said about devotion too.
okay, and emily- you and me of the 10,000 wars, mystery, wood song, ghost or
left me a fool... too many to choose from.


elle


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date:         tue, 15 apr 2003 10:36:21 -0700
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emily: deconstruction, loves recovery, ghost
amy: kid fears, jonas and ezekial, three hits


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amy:
blood and fire, hands down
land of canaan, maybe?


emily:
too many to choose from

  ----- original message -----
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  amy's touch me fall is amazing. i wasn't a big fan of it at first, but it
  certainly grew on me. something to be said about devotion too.
  okay, and emily- you and me of the 10,000 wars, mystery, wood song, ghost or
  left me a fool... too many to choose from.


  elle


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date:         tue, 15 apr 2003 14:11:59 -0400
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"strongest" songs:  there's so many i have to break them down :-)


lyrically:
amy - strange fire, laramie, jonas & ezekial, become you, this train
emily - philosophy of loss, you & me of the 10,000 wars, everything in it's
own time, left me a fool, virginia woolf, collecting you, winthrop, life's
so strange, ghost (i could on and on and on here folks......)


musically:
amy - sister, faye tucker, devotion, touch me fall
emily - crazy game, you've got to show, burn all the letters, everything in
it's own time, caramia, we are together, trouble (emily should play more
electric stuff!)


wow, that's several, and there are more, but i'll stop now.


great thread barbara!


peace,
joey


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i got this story off of the internet:
-scott


abc promises first lesbian kiss
abc disclosed monday that the april 22 episode of its daytime soap all my children will feature the first on-screen lesbian kiss ever between characters in a soap opera. the scene will involve eden riegel's character, bianca montgomery, who came out as a lesbian three years ago, and bianca's friend lena, played by olga sosnovska. in a statement, agnes nixon, the show's creator, said: "the theme of all my children from the beginning is the belief that, as god's children, we are all bound to each other by our common humanity despite our many personal differences; that it is our failure to understand and respect those differences that causes most of life's pain and suffering. the bianca story is our latest effort to dramatize that belief."


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date:         tue, 15 apr 2003 19:09:54 edt
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in a message dated 4/15/03 6:09:22 pm eastern daylight time,
subcityii@aol.com writes:


> i got this story off of the internet:
> -scott
>
> abc promises first lesbian kiss
> abc disclosed monday that the april 22 episode of its daytime soap all my
> children will feature the first onscreen lesbian kiss ever between
> characters in a soap opera.


the advocate also did a piece on this in the current issue...


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oh man.  yes, touch me fall is an epic, but i am *still* not over that =
sony screener - from what, july '95 or '96?  every 5 minutes it would =
kick in:  "jump, jump, jump so high...".  lol.  i haven't heard that =
song for so long.  i like it, but gawd, i am still oversaturated on it =
even now. =20


maybe i should go dig it up, reload it, and torture myself some. =20


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  amy's touch me fall is amazing. i wasn't a big fan of it at first, but =
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for me, amy's finest will always be strange fire. that is my all-time
favorite song by any artist.


for emily it is more difficult and my opinions change. i think i'll say wood
song, as that one probably tops the list more often than any others.
however, closer to fine, she's saving me, and virginia woolf are other
contenders.


cheers,


tom


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hello,


i have two extra tixs to sell for face value to see ellen degeneres tomorrow
night(wed) in dc.  they are in the 7th row(g)            please feel free to
email me if you are interested.  i can meet you at the auditorium.


heidi


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amy's finest song?  older stuff:  dead man's hill.  powerful.  impacting.
very intense and very significant to amy.  newer stuff:  hey kind friend.


emily's finest song?  ghost.  across the board beautiful.  top contenders:
least complicated, crazy game, watershed, virginia woolf, language or the
kiss, wood song, galileo, power of two, love's recovery, it's alright,
philosophy of loss and i could go on and on and on because i'm an emily fan.
:)


- rick c. hodgin


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>oh man.  yes, touch me fall is an epic, but i am *still* not over that =
sony screener - from what, july '95 or '96?  every 5 minutes it would =
kick in:  "jump, jump, jump so high...". =20


what was this then? can anyone enlighten us more recent ig converts?


touch me fall  is def one of amy's finest imo, and i'd also include ... =
strange fire (always the first one i play myself whenever i pick up my =
guitar), world falls, 123, this train, reunion, shame on you, scooter =
boys, compromise, become you, .......  oh i just can't stop!


emily has so many classics .... faves have to be watershed, power of =
two, wood song, mystery, caramia, you&me.. , love's discovery, =
galileo.....


lol
maybe it would be easier to list any ig songs that you skip over .... or =
don't like?=20
for me that would only be airplane. =20
i used to skip romeo&juliet, but i love that now.
occassionally i skip touch me fall if in a low mood -'watch me let you =
down'


which reminds me .... i've been meaning to ask ....
does anyone else find the proximity of touch me fall and power of two a =
bit ironic?  po2 is such a special song to play with/for a partner, but =
i have often wondered how they came to decide to follow it with tmf on =
the album. po2 conjurs up some wonderful feelings so effortlessly, but =
it seems strange to be suddenly brought down by tmf.


interesting thread.


bev
england


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<<maybe it would be easier to list songs you would skip over.>>


hmm. that would be cut it out from sots, airplane from rop,  i can't
think of too many,
there aren't very many that i skip.


peace
barb


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this is a much easier list!  i will not do unreleased songs, just albums.


caramia - i like the lyrics a lot, but i just don't like the sound of it.
midnight train to georgia - it's on 1200 curfews so it counts.  all the woo
woo's just get to me.
airplane - again, it's the sound more than the lyrics.

on another note, don't you think it has been way too long since we have
heard strange fire in concert?  i don't remember the last time i heard it
live.  and i have seen it on several people's favorite lists.  i think we
should start requesting it at the shows.  sooner or later they will realize
that we want to hear it.  hey it worked for world falls.  they hadn't played
that in years.  then karen started requesting it at every show and now they
have thrown that in the mix quite often.


okay, that's it from me for now.
-mi rinda


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mirinda.kovacs@thomson.com writes:
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>
>
>on another note, don't you think it has been way too long since we have
>heard strange fire in concert?  i don't remember the last time i heard it
>live.  and i have seen it on several people's favorite lists.  i think we
>should start requesting it at the shows.
>-mi rinda
i remember someone on the list reviewing a show that someone requested
strange fire - and amy said that that is one of the songs they don't play
anymore - whatever that means. but it doesn't hurt to try! i never thought
i would ever hear crazy game live, and now i may just get my chance!
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love this thread too...


i'm goign to say that the most powerfull amy song.... there are soooo many,
but i'm going with blood and fire...


everything from the tittle, to the words, the the power she sings it with.


as for emily.... ghost..


the most powerful... definitly ghost.


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about the sony screeners, here's what i e-mailed to someone who wrote me =
privately:


i should have been a little more clear.  sony was selling these =
screensaver things for your computer.  after 5 minutes of inactivity, =
the screensaver would kick in with some music.  there was michael =
jackson and some other sony people i can't think of.  ig's was touch me =
fall.  it'd kick in visually, taking over the screen, and also =
musically.  went on about 20 seconds or so, not sure.  so basically it =
was a screensaver.
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  what was this then? can anyone enlighten us more recent ig converts?


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what i want to know is how to properly remove this thing from my computer!
i uninstalled it ages ago and it still kicks in.  what am i doing wrong???


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about the sony screeners, here's what i e-mailed to someone who wrote me
privately:


i should have been a little more clear.  sony was selling these screensaver
things for your computer.  after 5 minutes of inactivity, the screensaver
would kick in with some music.  there was michael jackson and some other
sony people i can't think of.  ig's was touch me fall.  it'd kick in
visually, taking over the screen, and also musically.  went on about 20
seconds or so, not sure.  so basically it was a screensaver.
  ----- original message -----
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  what was this then? can anyone enlighten us more recent ig converts?


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i don't think ghost really has a chorus, it's a continous build-up with just a repetition of i'm in love with your ghost at the end of each (sort of) verse. aaahh, i love that song!

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>... which i am too lazy to think about myself, my head is full of databases at the moment...
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>have either of the girls ever written a song that doesn't have a chorus?
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so no one went to the show last night?  come on, we need reviews people!!
i know for a fact at least 2 list members were there, how was the show?


mi rinda


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ooohh, this is *hard* -
emily:-
ghost
virginia woolf
language or the kiss
you've got to show
amy:-
become you
point hope
this train revised
everybody's waiting

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>>>abc disclosed monday that the april 22 episode of its daytime soap all my
children will feature the first on-screen lesbian kiss ever between characters
in a soap opera.<<<
first ever in the usa, maybe!

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=20


hmmmm...for today my answer is....
=20
emily: virginia wolfe, language or the kiss
amy: land of canaan, become you
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lets see, i would have to say:
amy: blood and fire, become you
emily: ghost, virginia wolfe


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>> on another note, don't you think it has been way too long since we have
>> heard strange fire in concert?  i don't remember the last time i heard it
>> live.  and i have seen it on several people's favorite lists.  i think we
>> should start requesting it at the shows.
>> -mi rinda
> i remember someone on the list reviewing a show that someone requested
> strange fire - and amy said that that is one of the songs they don't play
> anymore - whatever that means.


i thought amy said that about blood and fire.  i would love it folks started
requesting strange fire at concerts.  it is my favorite song by far and is
never played live.  after the zillion shows i've been to the only time they
played it live was when i brought a huge, obnoxious, no one behind me can
see banner saying "will work for strange fire" (thanks deb for making it!!).
it was in davenport, iowa in the late 90's.  they did change the setlist
just for little ole me but without the sign, i'd still be strange fire-less.
i do wonder why they don't play it.  it's got to be the easiest song to pick
up quickly on guitar and re-learn.  and the message is still powerful and
relevant.  and it's a crowd favorite.  i know we'll never hear "never stop"
as emily thinks the lyrics are now beneath her.   bring on the strange fire.


btw--my least favorite, always skip over song has got to be fare thee
well--just awful--yet this has been played at probably 5 of the shows i've
been to.  don't get it.--greg


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in addition - did anyone get copies of the songs or interview on npr????  i was stunned, just stunned, yesterday when i was leaving work, just getting on the freeway to go home and turned on npr to hear a rather low, gravely, cool voice talking about native people's issues.  "wow," i think to myself, "that sort of sounds like... egad!  amy ray!" and sure enough...  naturally i caught like only the last 3 minutes and just 1 song.

any one get the rest???  kuow doesn't archive the audio anymore according to their website.

we were also very bummed that this was the first we had heard of this event, and then were totally unable to get any info on getting tickets.  we didn't want to commit to the 2 hour drive (each way)or so without knowing we'd get in.

listening hopefully....

tracy & jeni

at 0949 4/16/2003, you wrote:

so no one went to the show last night?  come on, we need reviews people!!
i know for a fact at least 2 list members were there, how was the show?

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what kuow show was it - i know you can order  the tapes for certain ones.
call them up - they are really cool about stuff like that

reason num. 123 to live in seattle!!!


in maine


mike r.


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i found all the local shows seem to be archived. problem is - no mention of
amy or ig yesterday - does anyone know what show it was on????


mike r.


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seattle............ ahhh, it was a great show.


first off, amy and emily sounded great!  i've heard
"everything in its own time" a bunch of times live.
last night's version was the most beautiful.  ever.


but first things first, winona laduke's speech was really
informative.  it held my attention (which was a miracle
because i have a really short span of attention).  her sense
of humor was well appreciated too.  :)


they invited a violonist to perfom some songs.  wow.  good stuff.  and i loved his stories as well (now i am lost as far
as his name goes).


as i already said, ig was stunning.  they played (from what i
can remember) "everything in its own time," "jonas and ezekial," "let it be me," "nuevas senoritas," "closer to fine," "finlandia," "galileo," and "become you" (am i forgetting anything?).  it was funny (and like the old days) seeing ig tune their own guitars and basically tech their own show.  amy was wearing the same thing i saw her wear in the midwest last week -- tank top, blue shirt, jeans, and her maroon boots.  emily was wearing a big black shirt, a black tee shirt, and jeans.


anyway, we are about to close work and go home.  but i wanted to give my two cents on the show.  great times!


:-) karen
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the show may be radio intersection - it is locally produced - nothing about
4/15 show on line yet, but it is available onn kuow.org

give them a week to put something online


mike r.


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i *think* it was on "the beat"

at 1801 4/16/2003, you wrote:
>i found all the local shows seem to be archived. problem is - no mention of
>amy or ig yesterday - does anyone know what show it was on????
>
>mike r.


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swil kanim was the violinist. he's on the business of fancydancing soundtrack and his own cd will be out soon, according to him. he played a major role in the movie, too.


the show last night rocked! it was so great to see everyone! i already sent an email this morning saying that, but it didn't work. so, i'm trying again. hope this works. :)


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hey all,


for the longest time, i could only play "ghost" (indigo girls) and
"fireflies" (lori mckenna) on the guitar--just because i was lazy to learn
new stuff. (well, i could play "or" [rose polenzani] but i didn't memorize
it.)


my youngest brother is getting married in june, so i learned power of two,
and also "everywhere" (michelle branch)--because it is my brother and his
fiancee's song.


the hardest thing about learning power of two (because i am so rhythmless)
was strum-strum-slap of the rhythm.  at first, i was listening to 1200
curfews version over and over.  then, when i put on the dvd from the
colorado concert in 1999, and played along with emily---by george, i got it!


after the purchase of a thumb pick.


beaming,
diane


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>> i remember someone on the list reviewing a show that someone requested
>> strange fire - and amy said that that is one of the songs they don't play
>> anymore - whatever that means.
>
>i thought amy said that about blood and fire.


yeah, that's what i remember reading as well, greg.


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when my friend and i are listening to swamp ophelia we always
skip over "touch me fall" (i hate that "jump up" section) and with
nomads*indians*saints we always skip over "keeper of my heart"
and if we do listen to them we tend to make fun of amy's exaggerated
phrasing. "stones in the riverrrrr" no offense but when you listen to
those albums as much as we do...well....some songs start to grate
after awhile.


i also don't care for "scooter boys", but as shaming of the sun is
one of (imho) their weakest albums i don't listen to it much, or if
i do i just listen to my favorites (shame on you, shed your skin,
caramia, leeds, and everything in it's own time). interestingly though,
where sots has more good emily songs than amy songs (once
again imho) cons is the opposite...there's not an amy song on
there i don't like, they all rock, but i'm not all that fond of "peace
tonight" or "cold beer and remote control" and "andy" is pretty
weak as well. (i love "soon to be nothing" and "trouble", though).


-jenna


at 08:40 am 4/16/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>this is a much easier list!  i will not do unreleased songs, just albums.
>
>caramia - i like the lyrics a lot, but i just don't like the sound of it.
>midnight train to georgia - it's on 1200 curfews so it counts.  all the woo
>woo's just get to me.
>airplane - again, it's the sound more than the lyrics.


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i'm pretty sure i was at a show last year, or the year before where strange fire was played....


i'm also sure i read about blood and fire, they don't or she don't play that anymore..


i wonder why... i mean i know it's drainnig, and it's got that suicide contimplation in it... but over all , i feel it's one of her best, if not one of the best songs ever.


joe
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i seem to recall, and i could be a bit off on my interpret so i will try =
to rephrase what amy said once,,


it was a song written at a time it needed writing. it was sung for the =
same reason. that has passed. it isi history. a painful history so i do =
not relive that part of my history by playing the song. i recall she =
suggested to fans who like the song to listed to the cd.=20

sparkie
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i'm pretty sure i was at a show last year, or the year before where =
strange fire was played....


i'm also sure i read about blood and fire, they don't or she don't play =
that anymore..


i wonder why... i mean i know it's drainnig, and it's got that suicide =
contimplation in it... but over all , i feel it's one of her best, if =
not one of the best songs ever.


joe
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in order of albums.


strange fire - i skip "crazy game", i skip "hey jesus" and "land of cannan" (all versions)


indigo girls- i skip "history of us" and sometimes skip "tried to be true"


nomads - i skip "southland in the spring time" i sometimes skip "123"


rites of passage - one of my favorites i skip "let it be me" and i skip "airplane" annoying song, very funny lyrics


swamp o - i skip "touch me fall" the end is very annyoing, i skip "this trian", "fare thee well" and most of the time "dead mans hill"


1200 - i skip "down by the river" otherwise that thing is perfect!!!


sos - i cut out the middle almost all together - "burn all the letters" "dont' give that girl a gun" and "scooter boys" bad songs... although scooter boys rocks live!


cons - has some great songs, but the bad songs are so bad, i skip a lot here - i skip "trouble" hate that song, skip "peace tonight", "andy" (what is that all about?), the end of "faye tucker" and "we are together" sometimes.


with become you - i skip "you've got to show", "nuevas" and "she's saving me"


joe
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"1200 curfews - i skip 'down by the river'.  otherwise that thing is
perfect!"


i love amy singing "down by the river"!  i think it's very intense and
she's so hot singing it.  i don't like "jacob's ladder/this train
revised" on that album.


>>> joe agueci <sprdinosur@aol.com> 04/17/03 12:07pm >>>
in order of albums.


strange fire - i skip "crazy game", i skip "hey jesus" and "land of
cannan" (all versions)


indigo girls- i skip "history of us" and sometimes skip "tried to be
true"


nomads - i skip "southland in the spring time" i sometimes skip "123"


rites of passage - one of my favorites i skip "let it be me" and i skip
"airplane" annoying song, very funny lyrics


swamp o - i skip "touch me fall" the end is very annyoing, i skip "this
trian", "fare thee well" and most of the time "dead mans hill"


1200 - i skip "down by the river" otherwise that thing is perfect!!!


sos - i cut out the middle almost all together - "burn all the letters"
"dont' give that girl a gun" and "scooter boys" bad songs... although
scooter boys rocks live!


cons - has some great songs, but the bad songs are so bad, i skip a lot
here - i skip "trouble" hate that song, skip "peace tonight", "andy"
(what is that all about?), the end of "faye tucker" and "we are
together" sometimes.


with become you - i skip "you've got to show", "nuevas" and "she's
saving me"


joe
manhattan,ny


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i always skip over dead man's hill.
not because i don't think it is a very important song.
it is!!  it is so very improtant.
...but i cannot stand this piece:


"i remember cats on fire.....
gasoline in a burning spiral......
i'm standing underneath the night.
fighting back with all my might
empty cans. and charred remains........
find them in the heat of day.
i'm on top of dead man's hill.
this is what i know of shame forever......."


but, having grown up in indiana where this sort of thing is an evening's
entertainment for the local boys, i cannot bear to hear the song....to be
reminded of what was going on around me, and what i could not prevent.


so i just adopt kitty. and contribute to the spca.
and feel the shame from time to time.
and skip over the song.


....but it is always one of those songs i play for people i am intoducing to
ig. it is important.


kate


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joe, what makes scooter boys and deadman's hill "bad songs?" i just love
them man! especially scooter boys.


peace all,


barb


stop the war on iraqi people! finding a peaceful solution does not
involve doing nothing.


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i mainly just skip songs that go on forever. touch me fall, down by the
river, this train revised, all along the watchtower, chickenman... not
that i necessarily dislike any of these songs, but i don't want to hear
the whole thing every time i listen to an album. also, the emotional
content of dbtr and ttr are a little too much for everyday. they're
important songs, but not always fun to hear.


  i also sometimes skip soon be to nothing, deconstruction and you've got
to show - too jazzy, i think.  i'm not into the jazz, particularly the
aimless sort of jazz that these songs are trending towards. i used to be a
really big emily person -- i even like "airplane" -- but the aimless jazz
influences dampen that enthusiasm somewhat.


on thu, 17 apr 2003, karen weaver wrote:


> "1200 curfews - i skip 'down by the river'.  otherwise that thing is
> perfect!"
>
> i love amy singing "down by the river"!  i think it's very intense and
> she's so hot singing it.  i don't like "jacob's ladder/this train
> revised" on that album.
>
> >>> joe agueci <sprdinosur@aol.com> 04/17/03 12:07pm >>>
> in order of albums.
>
> strange fire - i skip "crazy game", i skip "hey jesus" and "land of
> cannan" (all versions)
>
> indigo girls- i skip "history of us" and sometimes skip "tried to be
> true"
>
> nomads - i skip "southland in the spring time" i sometimes skip "123"
>
> rites of passage - one of my favorites i skip "let it be me" and i skip
> "airplane" annoying song, very funny lyrics
>
> swamp o - i skip "touch me fall" the end is very annyoing, i skip "this
> trian", "fare thee well" and most of the time "dead mans hill"
>
> 1200 - i skip "down by the river" otherwise that thing is perfect!!!
>
> sos - i cut out the middle almost all together - "burn all the letters"
> "dont' give that girl a gun" and "scooter boys" bad songs... although
> scooter boys rocks live!
>
> cons - has some great songs, but the bad songs are so bad, i skip a lot
> here - i skip "trouble" hate that song, skip "peace tonight", "andy"
> (what is that all about?), the end of "faye tucker" and "we are
> together" sometimes.
>
> with become you - i skip "you've got to show", "nuevas" and "she's
> saving me"
>
> joe
> manhattan,ny
>
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and when i said soon be to nothing, i meant collecting you. oops. i like
soon be to nothing better than the 3 emily by songs i mentioned. but none
of them are that strong, i guess.


i like "our deliverance" and "hope alone" a lot, though.


anyone else feel like a lot of emily songs sound sort of the same these
days - slow, jazzy, thin and plaintive? maybe i should go back and
relisten to everything before i make that kind of accusation, i don't
really know that for sure. that's just the impression i'm getting now. i
could go for a zippy, catchy emily song, or one with an unusual beat or a
more forceful attitude...


on thu, 17 apr 2003, andrea crain wrote:


> i mainly just skip songs that go on forever. touch me fall, down by the
> river, this train revised, all along the watchtower, chickenman... not
> that i necessarily dislike any of these songs, but i don't want to hear
> the whole thing every time i listen to an album. also, the emotional
> content of dbtr and ttr are a little too much for everyday. they're
> important songs, but not always fun to hear.
>
>   i also sometimes skip soon be to nothing, deconstruction and you've got
> to show - too jazzy, i think.  i'm not into the jazz, particularly the
> aimless sort of jazz that these songs are trending towards. i used to be a
> really big emily person -- i even like "airplane" -- but the aimless jazz
> influences dampen that enthusiasm somewhat.
>
> on thu, 17 apr 2003, karen weaver wrote:
>
> > "1200 curfews - i skip 'down by the river'.  otherwise that thing is
> > perfect!"
> >
> > i love amy singing "down by the river"!  i think it's very intense and
> > she's so hot singing it.  i don't like "jacob's ladder/this train
> > revised" on that album.
> >
> > >>> joe agueci <sprdinosur@aol.com> 04/17/03 12:07pm >>>
> > in order of albums.
> >
> > strange fire - i skip "crazy game", i skip "hey jesus" and "land of
> > cannan" (all versions)
> >
> > indigo girls- i skip "history of us" and sometimes skip "tried to be
> > true"
> >
> > nomads - i skip "southland in the spring time" i sometimes skip "123"
> >
> > rites of passage - one of my favorites i skip "let it be me" and i skip
> > "airplane" annoying song, very funny lyrics
> >
> > swamp o - i skip "touch me fall" the end is very annyoing, i skip "this
> > trian", "fare thee well" and most of the time "dead mans hill"
> >
> > 1200 - i skip "down by the river" otherwise that thing is perfect!!!
> >
> > sos - i cut out the middle almost all together - "burn all the letters"
> > "dont' give that girl a gun" and "scooter boys" bad songs... although
> > scooter boys rocks live!
> >
> > cons - has some great songs, but the bad songs are so bad, i skip a lot
> > here - i skip "trouble" hate that song, skip "peace tonight", "andy"
> > (what is that all about?), the end of "faye tucker" and "we are
> > together" sometimes.
> >
> > with become you - i skip "you've got to show", "nuevas" and "she's
> > saving me"
> >
> > joe
> > manhattan,ny
> >
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skip?!?!?!  skip???!??!?! what's wrong with you???!!! you can't skip an ig
song!!!! ever!!!!


okay, just kidding...before i get assaulted by tomatoes and hate
mail....just a little twisted humor for ya.


-texasyankee
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who usually skips r&j and soon to be nothing


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i cannot believe you said touch me fall.....i guess i just have fond
memories of jumping around the room to that song when it get's to the rockin
part.  i love it because it starts out all slow and you think it is going to
be a nice slow ballad, but then she totally rocks the song.  anyway i guess
i shouldn't judge i have my songs i skip over also.....airplane, mainly
because i am not scared of airplanes like emily mentions in the song and i
don't really care for the tune.  i like their more rockin songs, things that
have a more political stance to it.  btw, did anyone attend the honor the
earth at central washington university?  i missed it.


-lauryn


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peace tonight.


that's the constant one.  sometimes i skip over other stuff (mainly emily stuff) depending on my mood.


:-) karen


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ok, i am looking for someone to help me with nokia composer.  i want my cell phone to ring to the tune of "become you."


i got the key inputs from brian's site before it went offline.  but i have no clue how to use nokia composer to imput them!


please help!


thanks!


:-) karen


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barb... and all,


>>>joe, what makes scooter boys and deadman's hill "bad songs?" i just love them man! especially scooter boys.<<<


i hope i didn't say deadman's hill is a bad song.. it's a 'skip me' song. i like it, but its' one of those songs that don't fit the sequence and/or fall victim to a bad sequence on the cd.


scooter boys... that song i don't like...although as i type this im' bopping my head along to the tune.. i said it rocks live and was first introduced to the song at hofstra university on long island at a concert in the gym before the cd was released and loved it. it rocked, and amy singing "yeah!" while emily screaches an eletric guitar... rooock!!!!


but then the cd comes out and that very part is annoying. the opening part (which im' so not intrested in hearing about amy call me a terrorist) is nice and mello then bursts out of my speakers kicking a little ass along the way. but then the "yeah... yeah... yeah..." part sounds forced and just wrong.


the rest of the song is really cool, but the scales are tipped toward the side of don't bother becuase of the "yeah's" and the self-loathing 150year hindsighted revelations regarding native indian injustices.


if i want heavy, i go for "shed your skin" "go" or the biggest rocker of 'em all, the out and out heavey metal song "comprimise" which is downright perfect!


joe
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for the record, i don't think amy's calling anyone of us, 'terrorists,"
in scooter boys......i if you think about the history of colonialism in
central and south america, you might  see she's attacking european
aristocrats, christian missionaries,and  united states government,  and
who have participated in the genocide of native peoples  for hundreds of
years.by colonizing on their lands.


that's what i'm saying when i sing that line.


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howdy ya'll!


fantastic thread!  and after spending the last ten
minutes clicking on new email and going, "oh yeah,
totally dig that!" and "oh my god, are you inhuman?!"
in regards to everyone's skipped over choices, i
figured it was time to add my own in.


strange fire: everybody's waiting for someone to come
home, you left it up to me (both needed some...
revison)


indigo girls: kid fears (does nothing for me on the
cd, live though, it's a whole new dimension), center
stage (why is amy, whom i love and consider myself to
favor, the one i skip over so much?!?)


n*i*s: pushing the needle to far, welcome me (possibly
one of my very least favourite songs)


rop: jonas and ezekial (just realized though that this
is an awesome song live, as well!)


swamp ophelia: touch me fall and dead man's hill (both
just lack something in them that rubs me wrong,
perhaps the beat, the pace.  and i never find myself
humming them spontaneously.)


1200 curfews: nothing wrong with this whole album!


sots: cut it out, hey kind friend.  (seems when amy's
on fire, she's *really* on fire, and when she's not,
she's really not, sadly.  emily seems relatively
consistant, and we seem to notice when she slips even
just a little bit because overall she's *so*
astoundingly good that details are what get called
out, not the big stuff, since so far i've never heard
a truly *bad* emily song... well...)


cons: sister (ugh, interesting lyrics, musical bummer)
peace tonight, we are together, cold beer and remote
control, compromise and andy.  (ok, so emily isn't
without her moments, but this album was really amy's
strong suit.  only a couple of songs that just really
don't hit the nail on the head.  emily on the other
hand had this crazy idea that appalachian jazz is a
*good* thing.  alas, we live, we learn.)


become you: our deliverance, nuevas senoritas (our
deliverance because it lacks compared to what its
right next to.  there's no better way to show off a
slightly lacking tune than to string it up between
fantastic songs.  and nuevas senoritas because it
lacks just about *everything* except some powerful
lyrics.  but i've learned that even truly meaningful
words can't save a sluggish, lethargic melody.)


ok, i can't belive i actually critiqued the girls!
but let me say, shockers that ya'll have brought up so
far have been: fare thee well (only one of the single
greatest songs ever!!  if david crosby covers your
song, it doesn't suck.)  collecting you (emily's most
inventive on the album, if you ask me!) airplane (how
does this song get such a bad rap?  it's fun and goofy
and clever and really fun to hum along with.
sometimes substance isn't crucial.)  chickenman (this
one i cannot even rationalize.  it should be a crime
to dislike this song)  faye tucker (there is some
serious energy being spent in this song, and for all
the right reasons, and in all the right ways) and
trouble (even amy chose it as her favourite emily tune
from the album, why disagree?!?)


ok, enough from me, i'm still pumped that my pictures
from meeting the girls after the show in madison
turned out!  peace and love!


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on sf:  strange fire, walk away,  get
together (she could rewrite the "baby                 babies out.
however.)


on ig:  blood and fire, land of canaan (this                version.)
tried to be true


on nis  pushing the needle (love the                           strong
counterpoint, and words set                my imagination on fire!)
world falls,                  hammer and nail, watershed.


on rop  galileo, ghost, virginia woolf,
chickenman (i will never tire of                        that.) let it be
me, jonas and ezkiel.


on so    fugitive, deadman's hill,


on 1200 curfews  down by the river, bury my                heart at
wounded knee, midnight                      train to georgia, pushing
the                           needle, thin line.


on sots  shame on you, shed your skin,                        scooter
boys,  get out the map,
                  hey kind friend.


on cons trouble, ozilene, faye tucker                            (minus
natasha...can't stand that                      kind of singing!)


on by     moment of forgiveness, collecting                     you,
bitteroot, our deliverance

that's it for now.


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nice thread!  (nice in that it brings up good discussion, not in that
we're discussing ig songs we don't like).  hope everybody can
remember that we all have very different opinions....i've read a
bunch of them and thought "what? i love that song!" but decided not
to argue it.  :-)


anyway, here are mine and i should note that when i first heard each
album, i probably had many others that i skipped over - it's changed
over the years, obviously.


strange fire - i gotta be honest.  i just never listen to this album.
i mean, never.  so i'm excluding it.  sue me.  :-)


indigo girls - kid fears (and a chill filled the room!).  not all of
the time, just some of the time.  sometimes it's just not what i want
to hear.


nomads*indians*saints - 123, keeper of my heart, hand me downs.  i
think this is amy's weakest album, track for track.


back on the bus y'all - 123, all along the watchtower


rites of passage - nashville.  can't stand it (but i love the idea
that they took an old song of theirs and resurrected it!).  i often
skip chickenman too.  i think the song is great, especially live, but
overrated.  used to hate airplane - love it now.  so does my
girlfriend when i try to sing the high roche parts.


swamp ophelia - this train revised.  otherwise, this album is so damn
close to perfection, it scares me.


1200 curfews - disc 1: bury my heart at wounded knee, dead man's hill
disc 2:  down by the river (zzzzzz), this train revised (too long),
chickenman (sometimes), bury my heart again.  i mean, i see what they
were getting at and the point they were trying to make.  i just don't
think the song is that good to begin with, and i think it really
beats us over the head.  plus, i think jerry's mike wasn't on or
something.


shaming of the sun - from what i can tell, this seems to be the album
that most people hated on first listen.  i know i did.  i heard the
first two tracks, loved them, then heard the opening to shed your
skin - and i made that face you make when you drink bad milk.  but
the album has really grown on me.    still, i skip cut it out, burn
all the letters and hey kind friend.  i really want to like hey kind
friend, but i can't.  on another note, the song that i used to
despise that i now love is caramia.  love it.  along with trouble,
emily's most rockin' electric moment.


come on now social - i called it come on now poopie for a while and i
have no clue why.  probably 'cause i'm immature.  (hey, makes about
as much sense as the real title.)  anyway, i skip sister most of the
time, peace tonight some of the time, we are together, and faye
tucker every time.


become you - their strongest album in a while, i think.  it's also
the first album where i think amy really takes the lead in writing
skills.  anyway, i only skip nuevas senoritas.  i don't think it goes
anywhere, it seems a little too lazy for me.  as for you've got to
show - at first i didn't like the sax.  now i do.  it still seems
misplaced but also seems kinda sexy.  i wish winthrop had made it to
this album.


in response to what andrea wrote about emily's songs recently - in
terms of the jazzy bit, i like to think back to the mid 80s where it
seemed like most of emily's songs used jazz chords and progressions -
songs like never stop, crazy game and don't give up on me baby come
to mind.  and in terms of the thin and plaintive part, i feel like
emily's contributions on become you were all running one track.  i
mean, all of her songs on this album are love songs.  the only one
with any real variation in subject is she's saving me.  they're
beautiful and i think it's what emily does best.  i just love the
fact that on become you, amy really touches all subjects and does it
brilliantly.  i think stag was a really great stepping stone for her.
i still love emily's songs - always have and always will, i'm sure -
but amy really stepped up to the plate on this one.


jason


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i can honestly say there are very few songs i skip over.  there are
definitely songs i like less than others.  but, all in all i'd say i
pretty much listen to all of them whenever i listen to an album start
to finish.


- rick c. hodgin


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i was wondering how people listen to ig?


i have purchased all of their u.s. cds and have those and many boots
converted to mp3 which i store on my computer.  i have a directory
called "mp3 tracks" with individual artists and then albums.  as such,
i can go right to a particular album, or construct a playlist of
multiple albums with any songs i choose, etc.  it's great for at work.
i have my laptop and headphones and all of their cds set on "random
play" so i get a wide smattering. :)


generally speaking i listen to entire artists this way.  do any of you
do anything similar?


- rick c. hodgin


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yeah, love developing play lists; i have car indigo, car trip indigo,
housework indigo, indigo w/guests, indigo compliations & covers,
amyamyamyonly, happy indigo, crying indigo, gifts indigo, headphone/walkman
indigo, indigo & guests women only,  playlists w/audio interviews, etc.,
inserted where interesting.   it's addicting and fun!


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okay, my own philosophy about this is a bit odd, but i'll share it:


with artists where the album seems to be the artistic statement (as
opposed to just a collection of songs), i usually try to ride the whole
ride, all the way through if i can, and in one chunk, if i can.  i
don't do this all the time, or every time, but certainly i try to keep
the vision of each song being part of a greater whole, and to
understand how things work together, etc.


okay, okay.  yes, i know.  i overanalyze everything.  i've heard that
since i was 14.


back to my philosophy...  songs that i may not care for, located on
albums by artists who produce albums i can really crawl around in for a
while*, i usually see those as part of the "bumpy part of the flight."
i also have to ask myself, "why would an artist i like write a song
like that!?!?!", which seems to force me to try to grok the song.  i
may not like it any better, but sometimes i come to a deeper
appreciation of a song or album or even an entire career when i can
finally wrap my mind around a song i've really not ever enjoyed up
until that one magic time.


just my own nonsense...


-hippybear


*this list includes indigo girls, pearl jam, u2, nine inch nails, and
tool, among others.  just for the curious...


on thursday, april 17, 2003, at 12:02 pm, practi cat wrote:


> skip?!?!?!  skip???!??!?! what's wrong with you???!!! you can't skip
> an ig
> song!!!! ever!!!!


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in a message dated 4/17/03 10:26:28 pm eastern daylight time,
monkeemaidjules@yahoo.com writes:

> everybody's waiting for someone to come
> home


what song is that?


joe
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in a message dated 4/17/03 10:26:28 pm eastern daylight time,
monkeemaidjules@yahoo.com writes:

> .)  collecting you (emily's most
> inventive on the album, if you ask me!) airplane (how
> does this song get such a bad rap?  it's fun and goofy
> and clever and really fun to hum along with.
> sometimes substance isn't crucial.)  chickenman (this
> one i cannot even rationalize.  it should be a crime
> to dislike this song)


great post!


i agree with everything in that copied paragraph. except the part about
airplane being a good song. it's gofy and all, but i think the cromatics(sp?)
there just compleatly make me shiver... kind of a fingers on the black board
there.


joe
manhattan,ny


joe
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in a message dated 4/17/03 11:36:07 pm eastern daylight time,
foxmuldr@ameritech.net writes:

> i can honestly say there are very few songs i skip over.  there are
> definitely songs i like less than others.  but, all in all i'd say i
> pretty much listen to all of them whenever i listen to an album start
> to finish.
>
> - rick c. hodgin


rick hodgin... professional fence sitter!


joe
manhattan,ny


ps. =)


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omg! hippy hippy hippy!  ;-p the only other person i ever heard this kind of
analytical trappings from was the love of my life!  she could not break up
albums and she's an excellent musician herself - did not skip anything and
might trash the whole album no matter how great it sounded if she felt
lyrics were not fit for civil ears.  i don't have problems in that area -
raised w/all kinds of music, lived with a disc jocky for a long time back in
the day when you'd que up the reel to reel or 8 track w/that shows lineup -
words weren't really given much consideration - he was creating his own
version of a concept album based on sound - his shows were six hours each
nite & he'd turn down a request if he felt it would break the thread, but
he'd make a note, include the request in a future show and then announce on
air that he was filling so and so' s request.  really really fun stuff it
taught me another whole way of enjoying music - it was like the audio
version of that exercise you do in art class where you focus on one facial
feature of your subject, touch the pencil to the paper & draw what you see
w/out lifting the pencil, w/out moving or blinking - working to become aware
of the finite control the outcome of the intense concentration it took to
match hand to eye - you know?


oh yeah, that overanalyzing thing - i'm just poking fun at you, not
criticizing!


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me too, rick. i feel that if the artists are happy with the songs and are
'giving' them to us then the least we could do is listen to the whole
package :-)


having said that... i really dont like midnight train to georgia on 1200
curfews so i do skip that, sometimes ;-)


i hated touch me fall when i first heard it - i still have an audio tape
that i did for the car where i cut it out, i keep meaning to sort that out
but havent done so yet, because now i love it!!!! oh yes!!!


i have only been into the igs for just over a year and last year, about this
time, was when i first heard so. the son of one of my friends took his own
life last april, she was working in the town where i live (northampton, uk)
but lives in wales. i had the phone call from her hubby to say that their
son was critically ill (he took poison) and i drove her home (about 200
miles) - he had died by the time we got there. i just cannot listen to fare
thee well ...'fare thee well my bright young star.........but you were long
gone before i ever got to you'. makes me cry.


h

>from: "rick c. hodgin" <foxmuldr@ameritech.net>
>date: thu, 17 apr 2003 22:19:56 -0500
>
>i can honestly say there are very few songs i skip over.  there are
>definitely songs i like less than others.  but, all in all i'd say i
>pretty much listen to all of them whenever i listen to an album start
>to finish.
>
>- rick c. hodgin
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hey folks,


thanks to all the folks who responded to my question the other=
day - i tried to
reply yesterday but the internet ate my email.  oh well.


but anyway, all your responses only seem to have pointed to a=
larger question -
what exactly can be considered a chorus?  is it a chorus if the=
melody stays
the same but the words change?


a clear winner in the songs-with-no-chorus competition is "johnny=
rottentale",
which was nominated by both joey krimple and joe agueci.  good=
call, and i'm
sure i would have noticed it myself eventually. :)


the runners-up are all kind of murky.  eileen standen nominated=
"ghost" which
i'll agree doesn't have a clear chorus but has what i consider to=
be a couple
of chorus-like verses ("there's not enough room in this world for=
my pain" and
"i feel it like a sickness how this love is killing me").  maybe=
we could
consider those to be like vestigial choruses...


barb bordner suggested "blood quantum", which imo has one of the=
messiest song
structures i've ever seen.  the "genocide..." parts seem kind of=
chorus-y to
me, but that might be just wishful thinking.  another vestigial=
chorus,
perhaps?


finally, we have the songs-which-have-a-chorus-that-changes (if=
you can call a
chorus that changes a chorus at all, that is) category.  we have=
several
nominees here - "starkville", also nominated by joe; "language of=
the kiss",
nominated by jennifer mallet; and "philosophy of loss", nominated=
by marie
bruno.  i think that all of these songs actually do have choruses=
- not
repeated choruses, but ones in which the words change on each=
repetition.  the
"feeling" of being a chorus is there each time though.


well, this turned out to be way longer than expected.  thanks if=
you've stuck
with me so far, and please feel free to comment...


cheers,
sherlyn
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i've long felt that blood quantum was a mess...  the girls have long
stated that they shouldn't write songs together, and they seem to have
kind of assembled this song out of mismatched puzzle pieces just to
prove their point.  it's an interesting song, but definitely not one of
my faves...


on friday, april 18, 2003, at 05:06 am, sherlyn koo wrote:


> barb bordner suggested "blood quantum", which imo has one of the
> messiest song
> structures i've ever seen.  the "genocide..." parts seem kind of
> chorus-y to
> me, but that might be just wishful thinking.  another vestigial chorus,
> perhaps?


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does anyone know if any tunes are still available to download for ring
tones, or does anyone have the key inputs for any songs?  i would like help
with this also.


thanks,


jen


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ok, i am looking for someone to help me with nokia composer.  i want my cell
phone to ring to the tune of "become you."


i got the key inputs from brian's site before it went offline.  but i have
no clue how to use nokia composer to imput them!


please help!


thanks!


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in a message dated 4/18/03 8:04:59 am eastern daylight time,
sherlyn@pixelopolis.com writes:

> but anyway, all your responses only seem to have pointed to a larger
> question -
> what exactly can be considered a chorus?  is it a chorus if the melody
> stays
> the same but the words change?


sherlyn nailed it!!!


this is the same 'definition' i struggled with. i love the way she describes
the 'feelign' of a chourus in starksville and pol..


we'll see where this goes, but the word 'chours'... i like to use bridge,
hook, refrain. the part of a song that makes it ''that song".


it's the whole conversations that goes "who are the indigo girls?" "well, you
might know galiao, "how long till my soul gets it right" or closer to fine
"closer i am to fi-ine!" ... "oh yeah! i know them!.... they're gay right?"


lol, sorry to be soooo verbatium with that mock conversation, but we call
that 'chours', where a song can be 'that song' with a bridge.... starksville
"..it's the dawning of a new born day" (or whatever, i'm typing fast here)


so i guess this thread was a 'that song-less' thread... and this post pretty
pointless...


either way, wanted to say that sherlyn had a great post and i also want to
add "collecting you" ... that has the 'feeling' brought forth by sherlyn.


joe
manhattan.ny


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in a message dated 4/18/03 5:17:26 am eastern daylight time,
upthefoyleinabubble@hotmail.com writes:

> i just cannot listen to fare
> thee well ...'fare thee well my bright young star.........but you were long
> gone before i ever got to you'. makes me cry.
>


just a simple "thank you for sharing"


...and i hope i speak for all of us when i say "sorry"


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rick and all,
i definitely do that at work.  i have downloaded tons of mp3's over the
years (it will be a shame if i ever leave here or if they replace my hard
drive) here.  i have also uploaded all of my cd's they have released, as
well as some of my favorite boots.  then i make a play list that has all of
their songs and just play them on random.  it's kind of fun because you can
go from hearing some early stuff like holy city that sounds like it is
coming from a tape that was played one too many times, to new stuff like
become you or the more recent mp3's.  i love it!
of course i do that with other artists too, but ig takes up most of the
space!
at home i have a 25 disc changer so i stuff it with the commercial releases
and boots and just let it go on random.  you can listen all day long that
way!
:)
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i just cannot listen to fare thee well ...'fare thee well my bright young
star.........but you were long gone before i ever got to you'. makes me cry.


i love that song, but it makes me cry when i hear it too.  there is so much
sadness in that song.  it reminds me of lost loves, and lost lives.  most
recently it reminds me of my mom.  i absolutely love that song, but will
skip over it if there is anyone else around me because i don't like to cry
in front of people.  people think i'm emotional enough already without
having to witness a song making me cry.  (hey, i'm a cancer so i have an
excuse!)
i also cannot listen to many alabama songs or elvis songs for the same
reason.
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i went out on the cutting edge about 18 months ago and got a nomad
jukebox.  the 6-gb hard drive holds about 150 cds worth of music, and
it meshes nicely with itunes, letting me create playlists, organize
songs by "genre", etc.  it took me about a year of fiddling with it to
really start to tap its potential, but it's a wonderful device for
tuneheads.


now, of course, they make a 20-gb version of the jukebox, along with
the ever groovy ipod, which has several different harddrive sizes and
has been working happily with windows machines for some time now, too.


it may seem silly to have a dedicated mp3 player, but then i got a
little fm-broadcasting device which allows me to bring it along in the
car and listen over the car sound system w/o wires.  it's like having
my own customizable radio station, commercial free, on demand.


on a side note... miranda...  please, start a backup program for your
harddrive...  :)


-hippybear


on friday, april 18, 2003, at 07:58 am, kovacs, mirinda wrote:


> i have downloaded tons of mp3's over the
> years (it will be a shame if i ever leave here or if they replace my
> hard
> drive) here.  i have also uploaded all of my cd's they have released,
> as
> well as some of my favorite boots.  then i make a play list that has
> all of
> their songs and just play them on random.
>


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mmm, i love scooter boys and i especially love that line--could be because
i teach native lit for a living.  :-)


imo, she is calling all white folks, including herself (and me), colonial
terrorists.  we are.  we all participate in/benefit from those past and
ongoing oppressions, even if we're 1st generation americans. i think she
points this out in jonas & ezekial, when she says: "i used to search for
reservations and native land before i realized everywhere i stand there
have been tribal feet.."


my 2c,


lisa

at 08:47 pm 4/17/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>for the record, i don't think amy's calling anyone of us, 'terrorists,"
>in scooter boys......i if you think about the history of colonialism in
>central and south america, you might  see she's attacking european
>aristocrats, christian missionaries,and  united states government,  and
>who have participated in the genocide of native peoples  for hundreds of
>years.by colonizing on their lands.
>
>that's what i'm saying when i sing that line.
>
>peace
>barb
>
>.
>
>stop the war on iraqi people! finding a peaceful solution does not
>involve doing nothing.
>
>ffi  www.internationalanswer.org  and
>www.notinourname.net
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hkf's ...and i offer that greeting even to those who skip that song =)


this is the point i had made in the "skip songs" thread.


i fall back on the 'sign of the times' philosophy here.


let's face it. in hindsight, in the history books and in the pure facts of what happened we walked in and chopped up some people for their land.


so now, we are supposed to hate ourselves for it?


i called scooter boys a song of self lothing. this is why i skip it.


is amy going to come up with a slave song saying it was wrong the way blacks were treated?


same concept. it's done. it's good not to forget, but there is no reason for guilt and even less for selfloathing.


not only that, but not a single one of us is (and if you say you are you are a liar) up to giving away our homes to an indian with an appoligetic hallmark card and flower boquet as a house warming gift.


i am not a terrorist, and quite frankley neither were my great, great, great relatives. land wars are a way of life, like it or not, it's a fact. it happens in life with humans, and in the jungle with monkeys, in africa with lions and between spirders and rattelsnakes in the desert.


it's darwinism. and like i say to the lobsters... if you don't like being in the tank...take over the planet!


simply put... the indians lost.


joe
manhattan,ny


ps. in no way shape or form could this happen today, it would be very wrong, hence... sign of the times.


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obviously i have many, many problems with your position, joe.  this post
is extremely short-sighted and there are many issues here.  but my biggest
pet peeve is when people cite darwin in justifying genocide or social
stratification.  darwin himself was aghast that anyone would apply his
theory to human social systems and he did not support "social darwinism."
also, most people use the phrase "survival of the fittest" without a real
awareness of evolution.  darwin was not implying that animals survived
because they killed other animals; this is a mythical reading of his
theory.  without writing an entire essay on this issue, let me just say
that in evolutionary theory, the fittest are "pulled" into survival and do
not force their way into the non-extinction category.


g.


on fri, 18 apr 2003, joe agueci wrote:


> it's darwinism. and like i say to the lobsters... if you don't like
> being in the tank...take over the planet!
>
> ps. in no way shape or form could this happen today, it would be very
> wrong, hence... sign of the times.


and yes, it does happen today.


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thank-you joe, i appreciate that.


h


>from: sprdinosur@aol.com
>date: fri, 18 apr 2003 10:48:17 edt
>
>in a message dated 4/18/03 5:17:26 am eastern daylight time,
>upthefoyleinabubble@hotmail.com writes:
>
>
> > i just cannot listen to fare
> > thee well ...'fare thee well my bright young star.........but you were
>long
> > gone before i ever got to you'. makes me cry.
> >
>
>just a simple "thank you for sharing"
>
>...and i hope i speak for all of us when i say "sorry"
>
>joe
>manhattan,ny

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hello atlanta people,


anyone familiar with the area around the sheraton atlanta hotel, 165
courtland street?  are there any budget type motels anywhere around there?
please reply privately.


thanks,


g.


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> individually speaking what do you think are amy's strongest, and emily's
> strongest songs
> to date? for amy...i'd say it's strange fire, and
> for emily it's virginia woolfe.


the first one that i springs to mind is blood & fire for amy and ghost for
emily. but of course they are many many more. ;-)


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kate,


i totally agree with you. this part always makes me ill, but the song is
very powerful. we all do things we wish we hadn't, so all you can do is
learn, move on, and make amends. i think that's the message of that song.


tom m.


"i will climb the ridge at daybreak,
i will kiss the sky at noon,
raise my yearning voice at midnight
to my mother in the moon."
dave carter, "when i go"

>"i remember cats on fire.....
>gasoline in a burning spiral......
>i'm standing underneath the night.
>fighting back with all my might
>empty cans. and charred remains........
>find them in the heat of day.
>i'm on top of dead man's hill.
>this is what i know of shame forever......."
>
>but, having grown up in indiana where this sort of thing is an evening's
>entertainment for the local boys, i cannot bear to hear the song....to be
>reminded of what was going on around me, and what i could not prevent.
>
>so i just adopt kitty. and contribute to the spca.
>and feel the shame from time to time.
>and skip over the song.
>
>....but it is always one of those songs i play for people i am intoducing
>to
>ig. it is important.
>
>kate
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i'm not really a song-skipper but there are a few that i tend not to listen
to. i will listen to these once in a while, but normally i skip 'em.


"hey jesus," "southland in the springtime," "girl with the weight...,"
"caramia," "burn the letters," "andy," and "hope alone."


wow. i just realized there isn't a single amy song i normally skip. i'm not
fond of "compromise" or "cut it out" but i don't normally skip them.


interesting thread.


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i almost ever skip chickenman (like the first verse though) and power of
two.


----- original message -----
from: andrea crain <acrain@idea-inc.com>
> anyone else feel like a lot of emily songs sound sort of the same these
> days - slow, jazzy, thin and plaintive? maybe i should go back and
> relisten to everything before i make that kind of accusation, i don't
> really know that for sure. that's just the impression i'm getting now.


yep, i got this impression of emilys songs on by too. after 6 months or so
they did grow on me, but i'm still not much into hope alone.


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----- original message -----
from: joe agueci <sprdinosur@aol.com>
> i called scooter boys a song of self lothing. this is why i skip it.
>
> is amy going to come up with a slave song saying it was wrong the way
blacks were treated?
>
> same concept. it's done. it's good not to forget, but there is no reason
for guilt and even less for selfloathing.
>
> not only that, but not a single one of us is (and if you say you are you
are a liar) up to giving away our homes to an indian with an appoligetic
hallmark card and flower boquet as a house warming gift.
>
> i am not a terrorist, and quite frankley neither were my great, great,
great relatives. land wars are a way of life, like it or not, it's a fact.
it happens in life with humans, and in the jungle with monkeys, in africa
with lions and between spirders and rattelsnakes in the desert.
>
> it's darwinism. and like i say to the lobsters... if you don't like being
in the tank...take over the planet!
>
> simply put... the indians lost.
>
> joe
> manhattan,ny
>
> ps. in no way shape or form could this happen today, it would be very
wrong, hence... sign of the times.


joe i respectfully disagree. it's happening right now. there's a little
country in the middle east that has the second largest oil reserves of the
world. it's occupied right now by the us and the uk (that has a long history
on colonialism).


i agree that no one of us would give up it's house because we claimed the
land with weapons. but all of us still benefit from the colonialisation of
middle and south america, africa and asia. we destroyed their economy and
deploited them. we are responsible for the chaos and the fighting that's
going on since they got their "independence" back. we enjoy a great living
standard because we keep others poor. that's a fact. it's sad, but it's
still going on.


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as far as amy songs go, it is really hard for me to pick just *one* strongest.  so i am going to hold off until i can really think about it. (many come to mind... strange fire, keeper of my heart, fugitive, jonas and ezekial, world falls, and the list goes on and on!)


but for emily i am going to say the wood song.


:-) karen


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another interesting (disturbing?) thing to consider is that the u.s. is
the only country that has been convicted of terrorism by the world court.
we're still attacking innocent civilians in other countries (read
derailing democracy if you want the hard statistics). i'm appalled by
these actions, past and present, but i don't feel personal guilt for them.
i know it's not me going out and doing it, not me sending out the orders
or making up the plans. they are carried out by a government that
largely does not speak for me. i'm going to assume that's the same case
for someone like amy and others who are aware of and talk about these
things. (people who actually have the overwhelming sense of "white guilt"
or whatever you want to call it have their own issues and i don't know
where they come from.) just because we speak out about human atorcities
and are angry that these things happen to other humans, how does it make
us self-loathing? you could say we're all guilty when our tax dollars are
put collectively into the military fund (except those who purposely stay
below poverty to keep their money from being spent where they don't want
it, but that's another story), but that's stretching it since we're
probably all indirectly funding some sort of government program that we
don't agree with. i don't see how amy writing scooter boys would be meant
to inspire actual shame in anyone (well, maybe someone who would in this
day and age still support genocide, but once again that's another story).
the song is just another way to make a record of what happened in the past
and to make sure it isn't forgotten, just like all of the lessons we are
supposed to learn from history.
-sam


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>>>short-sighted and there are many issues here.  but my biggest pet peeve is when people cite darwin in justifying genocide or social stratification.  darwin himself was aghast that anyone would apply his>>>


let's talk short sighted... i sighted darwinism.. a globly recognized process of weeding out the weak. by this point and mention of the word, darwin himself has nothing to do with it.


but i'm glad you were able to share with everyone your knowledge of darwin's distane for the natural process with his namesake.


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i like to play cds on random - you get some really interesting juxtapositions that way - gives a different take on familiar songs. and i like to listen with really good headphones.  and i never skip!
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>i was wondering how people listen to ig?
>
>i have purchased all of their u.s. cds and have those and many boots
>converted to mp3 which i store on my computer. i have a directory
>called "mp3 tracks" with individual artists and then albums. as such,
>i can go right to a particular album, or construct a playlist of
>multiple albums with any songs i choose, etc. it's great for at work.
>i have my laptop and headphones and all of their cds set on "random
>play" so i get a wide smattering. :)
>
>generally speaking i listen to entire artists this way. do any of you
>do anything similar?
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everybody's waiting is on early recs. 3 - the devil's in our bones, among others. it's very atmospheric and low key, and a lovely performance from ig. for me, great lyrically and musically.

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>in a message dated 4/17/03 10:26:28 pm eastern daylight time,
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>
> > everybody's waiting for someone to come
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>what song is that?
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i sighted a dolphin in the ocean once. that was pretty cool. can't say
i've ever seen a book of social theory just wandering around though...


>
> let's talk short sighted... i sighted darwinism.. a globly recognized process of weeding out the weak. by this point and mention of the word, darwin himself has nothing to do with it.
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>>joe i respectfully disagree. it's happening right now. there's a little country in the middle east that has the second largest oil reserves of the world. it's occupied right now by the us and the uk (that has a long history on colonialism).>>>


two things... maybe three...
1. what is or who are scooter boys?
2. what is the defenition of colonialism?


...lastly... you could also mention kosovo for that matter.., i wasn't talking globly, i was bringnig up the native indians in america.


i don't know what to say about the small oil filled country... it's a vague refrence and i've never heard anything about it and after all is said and done i'm sure there is more to it's story. (i do not want to get into a 'blood for oil' discussion, we will never see eye to eye on this point. i spend very little of my time feeling bad for my countrys successes or for those who can't prosper with what god [or geology if you need] has granted them. i am a cincinnatti bengels fan, i root for plenty of underdogs.)


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>>but for emily i am going to say the wood song.


:-) karen>>>


karen rules!!!


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agreed, joe! wow, i knew there had to be a first! ;-)
joe wrote:
>>either way, wanted to say that sherlyn had a great post and i also want to
>add "collecting you" ... that has the 'feeling' brought forth by sherlyn.<<
> joe
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sam... and all of course,


>>>>another interesting (disturbing?) thing to consider is that the u.s. is the only country that has been convicted of terrorism by the world court.>>>>


do you mind backing up that statement? i know you sited a document or book or something, but maybe a little help....


and the implication there is the us are terroirst, but the nazi's just misplaced hostility?


it's a strange thing to jump up and yell for all to hear.


also, i loved the post, the orginization and the (that's another story's)


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>>i sighted a dolphin in the ocean once. that was pretty cool. can't say i've ever seen a book of social theory just wandering around though...>>


j monfort.... symantic champion of the world.


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i'm sorry, are we referring to semantics? maybe if we were discussing the
nuances of a definition, but in the case of sight vs cite i'd like to
think of myself as more of a simple grammar champion. really, if you're
going to use big words - or small ones - please know what they mean.


> >>i sighted a dolphin in the ocean once. that was pretty cool. can't say i've ever seen a book of social theory just wandering around though...>>
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> j monfort.... symantic champion of the world.
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i really don't have time to write some thesis-worthy document on all the
human atrocities committed by all people in all countries in all periods
of time. bringing up the nazis is a weak argument. we all know what they
did and how bad it was. they don't need to be mentioned everytime we
bring up genocide because it is a given that they are an example of said
subject. they are also over-used (couldn't you have come up with at least
one other example to show some originality?) and such a loaded subject
that the mere mention of the word "nazi" is meant to nullify all other
arguments simply by virtue of its historical baggage. now that we've all
agreed that the nazis were bad too (but they were a political party, not
an entire country, so they still can't have the "honor" of being ruled a
terrorist country by the world court), is there an actual argument about
what i've written? i'm saying that i can one-up amy in her "guilt-fest" by
bringing up current genocides, not just ones committed by long lost
ancestors. however, even with these genocides that are much contemporary
and therefore much easier to feel responsible for, most of us who know
about them and speak out about them do not also have some sort of
internalized guilt about it. your assertion that "scooter boys" is some
sort of attempt to make us all feel guilty is a load of crap.


as for my *cited* source, is it really too hard to go get that book for
yourself and do the reading and/or to do a simple google search if you'd
like some other source of info?


> sam... and all of course,
>
> >>>>another interesting (disturbing?) thing to consider is that the u.s. is the only country that has been convicted of terrorism by the world court.>>>>
>
> do you mind backing up that statement? i know you sited a document or book or something, but maybe a little help....
>
> and the implication there is the us are terroirst, but the nazi's just misplaced hostility?
>
> it's a strange thing to jump up and yell for all to hear.
>
> also, i loved the post, the orginization and the (that's another story's)
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in a message dated 4/17/03 11:20:42 pm eastern daylight time,
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<< swamp ophelia - this train revised.  otherwise, this album is so damn
close to perfection, it scares me. >>


thud! sorry that was me falling off my chair, "this train" is my favorite amy
song of all time! i think this is her "great white whale" i honestly feel
brilliance when i hear it, the words, and music fit so intensely perfect, i
find it nothing short of haunting!
i on the other hand, think that 1 - 2 - 3 could be the worst song ever, but
that is the only complaint i can think of, and i am not sure who said "thin
line" but also one of my favs!


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hey again,
i wanted to make a comment about "andy",everyone seems to hate that song,
and honestly i had never heard it before, untill we went to turner south in
atlanta a couple of years ago, and heard it live, and i love it, my gf said
the version on cons
is much different, but i love that live one, we have it on vhs if anyone
would like a copy i will see what i can do, also it has the greatest version
of "nuevas senoritas"
and i have to agree that album version isn't very good, a little to over
produced, but i do think that live it is a great song (who knew a few
criticisms emerge...)


janet


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i agree.... cons does not do "andy" justice.


you have to hear it live to fully appreciate it!  (i didn't like it at first=
=20
either, but after hearing it live... wow!)


:-) karen


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"well the world seems spent and the president has no good
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well i'm one of them and i'm among friends
we're trying to see beyond the fences in our own backyards" (isn't that the=20
truth?!)
-- emily saliers, indigo girls


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beauty
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> i on the other hand, think that 1 - 2 - 3 could be the worst song ever


pick up your sticks and go home. 123 rocks!


know that part where amy says "better own up to me, yeah"? for a long
time i couldn't figure out what she was saying, so i made something up,
and still i always sing it to myself as "butter on the tummy, yeah!"


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i actually like andy a lot. and lately it's been running through my head;
i don't know why. but it's a sweet song.


maybe i just identify with poor, tired andy.


-andrea


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while i've enjoyed reading everyone's posts on fave songs / songs to skip, i
didn't think i'd take the time to be sharing mine.  but then i read my good
friend jason's post, and i just couldn't resist.


lauren

strange fire
i love this album.  it's a little rough, but i'm always happy to have it on,
and there aren't any tracks i skip.  well, maybe hey jesus.  check it out
again, jason


favorites:
strange fire
walk away
land of canaan


make it easier

indigo girls
took a while to hook me, but it's a consistently excellent album.  not a
masterpiece, but all good.


favorites:
prince of darkness
love's recovery


tried to be true (maybe it's the who fan in me - riff nixed from pete)
land of canaan


honorable mention for the one line in center stage, "your actions will follow
you full circle round," but at the same time, it's the song on there that i'm
most likely to skip.

nomads, indians, saints
my favorite tracks below are among my most favorite ig tracks of all, but the
rest of the album falls a notch below the mark, imo.


favorites:
world falls
hand me downs


watershed
you and me of the 10k wars

rites of passage
great album.  still not the masterpiece i was hoping for, but another half
step up.


like nis, very inconsistent.  high highs and low lows.  this is the first
album where i regularly skipped songs (see below).


i have more amy faves on this one than emily faves, but emily's overall
writing (after the brilliance on nis), had me hook, line, and sinker.


side note:
actually, i've observed that with the first four albums, my energetic take on
the album is deeply impacted by who has the lead song.  ig and nis always
feel like predominantly emily energy to me and sf and rop like amy.


favorites:
galileo
let it be me


joking (amy does pete)
jonas and ezekial
romeo and juliet
nashville


honorable mention for some of the brilliant writing in ghost and virginia
woolf.


i could absolutely live without both chickenman and airplane, (although i do
love the intro to chickenman, especially live).


i usually skip cedar tree - the first ig track i ever skipped regularly
(although i do like the in-process version on the general foods show).


as for nashville, i also didn't like it that first year, and i resented that
they wasted a slot in the set list every night, but when a friend got me to
really listen to it (post-tour), i fell in love with it.

swampophelia
hands down their strongest overall studio effort.  great album.


favorites:
fugitive
reunion


least complicated
language or the kiss
mystery


great writing on all five of the above.


honorable mention: i can't help but love the baba o'riley chord progression
in touch me fall, right before they cut loose.  and yeah, it was really good
live.  some of amy's stream of consciousness was very powerful.  nothing
she's tried to put in that cut loose and improvise slot has worked quite as
well.


i often skip fare thee well.


i always find this train difficult to listen to, but i only occasionally skip
it.  on a different but related topic, seeing it live always really hit me
hard.

shaming of the sun
this was the first time i was deeply disappointed in a new ig album.  by far
their weakest album, imo (until cons!).


favorites:
shed your skin (although i could do without the wailing women)
cut it out


i think sys would've been a big hit on alternative rock radio if it had been
released under an alias band name.  there's something primal in the chorus
that i really like.


as for cut it out, i find it fascinating and intimately revealing of amy's
relationship.  i'm surprised so many people are down on it.

come on now social
i didn't think i could like an ig album less than sos, but i did with cons.
didn't stop me from going to see them, but after five excellent studio albums
(plus the wonderful 1200 curfews), two disappointments in a row was tough to
take.  and it's not that i'm scared off by rock and roll.  hell, the who are
my true love.  i just don't think the songs or the arrangements are that
great.


favorites:
go (live, it works.  that simple riff and the energy just feels right.)
compromise (kicks ass)


i can't really say that i skip individual tracks so much as once i studied
and learned the album for the tour, i hardly ever put it on.


i am, however, fascinated by the title coming from measure of me.

other favorites:
bury my heart at wounded knee
rockin' in the free world
american tune
i don't wanna talk about it
river
tangled up in blue
measure of me (the "ig" version from to be expected - 9:30 club?)


honorable mention:
lucystoners (fucking amazing song)


hope you've found this fun reading.


lauren
(who's totally stoked about saturday and tuesday!)


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why do people skip hey jesus? i happen to love that song, so i'm curious
why someone would hate it. a bunch of you seem to hate it. lyrics, music,
religious content, what?


-andrea


on sat, 19 apr 2003 indigotraveller@aol.com wrote:


> while i've enjoyed reading everyone's posts on fave songs / songs to skip, i
> didn't think i'd take the time to be sharing mine.  but then i read my good
> friend jason's post, and i just couldn't resist.
>
> lauren
>
>
> strange fire
> i love this album.  it's a little rough, but i'm always happy to have it on,
> and there aren't any tracks i skip.  well, maybe hey jesus.  check it out
> again, jason
>
> favorites:
> strange fire
> walk away
> land of canaan
>
> make it easier
>
>
> indigo girls
> took a while to hook me, but it's a consistently excellent album.  not a
> masterpiece, but all good.
>
> favorites:
> prince of darkness
> love's recovery
>
> tried to be true (maybe it's the who fan in me - riff nixed from pete)
> land of canaan
>
> honorable mention for the one line in center stage, "your actions will follow
> you full circle round," but at the same time, it's the song on there that i'm
> most likely to skip.
>
>
> nomads, indians, saints
> my favorite tracks below are among my most favorite ig tracks of all, but the
> rest of the album falls a notch below the mark, imo.
>
> favorites:
> world falls
> hand me downs
>
> watershed
> you and me of the 10k wars
>
>
> rites of passage
> great album.  still not the masterpiece i was hoping for, but another half
> step up.
>
> like nis, very inconsistent.  high highs and low lows.  this is the first
> album where i regularly skipped songs (see below).
>
> i have more amy faves on this one than emily faves, but emily's overall
> writing (after the brilliance on nis), had me hook, line, and sinker.
>
> side note:
> actually, i've observed that with the first four albums, my energetic take on
> the album is deeply impacted by who has the lead song.  ig and nis always
> feel like predominantly emily energy to me and sf and rop like amy.
>
> favorites:
> galileo
> let it be me
>
> joking (amy does pete)
> jonas and ezekial
> romeo and juliet
> nashville
>
> honorable mention for some of the brilliant writing in ghost and virginia
> woolf.
>
> i could absolutely live without both chickenman and airplane, (although i do
> love the intro to chickenman, especially live).
>
> i usually skip cedar tree - the first ig track i ever skipped regularly
> (although i do like the in-process version on the general foods show).
>
> as for nashville, i also didn't like it that first year, and i resented that
> they wasted a slot in the set list every night, but when a friend got me to
> really listen to it (post-tour), i fell in love with it.
>
>
> swampophelia
> hands down their strongest overall studio effort.  great album.
>
> favorites:
> fugitive
> reunion
>
> least complicated
> language or the kiss
> mystery
>
> great writing on all five of the above.
>
> honorable mention: i can't help but love the baba o'riley chord progression
> in touch me fall, right before they cut loose.  and yeah, it was really good
> live.  some of amy's stream of consciousness was very powerful.  nothing
> she's tried to put in that cut loose and improvise slot has worked quite as
> well.
>
> i often skip fare thee well.
>
> i always find this train difficult to listen to, but i only occasionally skip
> it.  on a different but related topic, seeing it live always really hit me
> hard.
>
>
> shaming of the sun
> this was the first time i was deeply disappointed in a new ig album.  by far
> their weakest album, imo (until cons!).
>
> favorites:
> shed your skin (although i could do without the wailing women)
> cut it out
>
> i think sys would've been a big hit on alternative rock radio if it had been
> released under an alias band name.  there's something primal in the chorus
> that i really like.
>
> as for cut it out, i find it fascinating and intimately revealing of amy's
> relationship.  i'm surprised so many people are down on it.
>
>
> come on now social
> i didn't think i could like an ig album less than sos, but i did with cons.
> didn't stop me from going to see them, but after five excellent studio albums
> (plus the wonderful 1200 curfews), two disappointments in a row was tough to
> take.  and it's not that i'm scared off by rock and roll.  hell, the who are
> my true love.  i just don't think the songs or the arrangements are that
> great.
>
> favorites:
> go (live, it works.  that simple riff and the energy just feels right.)
> compromise (kicks ass)
>
> i can't really say that i skip individual tracks so much as once i studied
> and learned the album for the tour, i hardly ever put it on.
>
> i am, however, fascinated by the title coming from measure of me.
>
>
> other favorites:
> bury my heart at wounded knee
> rockin' in the free world
> american tune
> i don't wanna talk about it
> river
> tangled up in blue
> measure of me (the "ig" version from to be expected - 9:30 club?)
>
> honorable mention:
> lucystoners (fucking amazing song)
>
> hope you've found this fun reading.
>
> lauren
> (who's totally stoked about saturday and tuesday!)
>
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ok, these came from brian clary's site before it was shutdown.  i have no=20
idea how to program these into a phone or nokia composer.  but a bunch of=20
people e-mailed me about these, so i figured i'd post them here.  and if you=
=20
have any clue how to put these into composer (for nokia, att wireless=20
service), please let me know:


become you
tempo 140
4a2, 4g2, 4#f2, 4e2, 4g2, 4#f2, 8d2, 2b1, 8b1, 4e2, 8d2, 2b1, 8b1, 4e2,=20
8d2, 4d2, 4-, 4a2, 4g2,=20
4#f2, 4e2, 4g2, 4#f2, 8d2, 2b1, 8b1, 4e2, 8d2, 2b1, 8b1, 4e2, 8d2, 4d2


get out the map
(edited 07.31.02)
tempo 70
8g2, 4c3, 8a2, 4a2, 8a2, 4g2, 16e2, 8d2, 4c2, 16c2, 16g2, 8g2, 16g2,
8e2,  8g2, 8e2, 8d2, 8c2, 8d2, 8e2, 8d2, 8c2, 2c2, 16g2, 16c2, 16g2, 16g2,=20
16a2, 16a2, 16a2,16a2,  8a2, 8a2, 8g2, 16a2,16a2, 16g2, 8g2, 16e2, 8d2,=20
4c2, 8g2, 4a2, 8b2, 16c3, 8c3,8a2, 8g2, 8a2, 16g2, 4g2

leeds
tempo 100
8d2, 4d2, 4g2, 4a2, 8b2, 4a2, 8g2, 2g2, 8d2, 8d2, 4g2, 4a2, 4a2, 8a2, 4a2,=20
8d2, 8d2, 4f2, 4f2, 8e2,=20
2f2, 8d2, 4d2, 4g2, 4a2, 4a2, 4b2, 8c3, 8c3, 4b2, 8a2, 2g2, 8d2, 8g2, 4g2,=20
4a2, 4g2, 8e2, 2e2, 8d2,=20
8g2, 8e2, 4a2, 2g2


our deliverance
tempo 63
8g1, 8b1, 8c2, 4d2, 8.d2, 4g2, 8#f2, 4e2, 4d2, 4g2, 8#f2, 4e2, 4d2, 8b1,=20
8d2, 8b1, 16a1, 16g1, 4g1,=20
8g1, 8b1, 8c2, 4d2, 8.d2, 4g2, 8#f2, 4e2, 4d2, 4g2, 8#f2, 4e2, 4d2, 8b1,=20
8d2, 8b1, 16a1, 16g1, 8g1


shed your skin
tempo 90
8e2, 8e2, 8d2, 8c2, 2a1, 4e2, 8d2, 8c2, 8a1, 2a1, 8e2, 8d2, 8c2, 4a1, 8g1,=20
8g1, 4a1, 2c2, 8e2, 8e2,=20
8d2, 8c2, 2a1, 4e2, 8d2, 8c2, 8a1, 2a1, 8e2, 8e2, 8d2, 4c2, 8a1, 8g1, 8e2,=20
4e2, 8d2, 4c2


:-) karen
----
"got to learn to respect what we don't understand" -- amy ray,=a0 indigo gir=
ls


"well the world seems spent and the president has no good
idea of who the masses are
well i'm one of them and i'm among friends
we're trying to see beyond the fences in our own backyards" (isn't that the=20
truth?!)
-- emily saliers, indigo girls


"this world falls on me dreams of immortality, everywhere i turn all the=20
beauty
just keeps shaking me"=a0 -- amy, again


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are you sure your phone can do it? i'm pretty sure my phone, though it is
a nokia, is too lame for that. :) but here's a page i found.


http://www.convertyourtone.com/composer.html


on sat, 19 apr 2003, karen r. wrote:


> ok, these came from brian clary's site before it was shutdown.  i have no
> idea how to program these into a phone or nokia composer.  but a bunch of
> people e-mailed me about these, so i figured i'd post them here.  and if =
you
> have any clue how to put these into composer (for nokia, att wireless
> service), please let me know:
>
> become you
> tempo 140
> 4a2, 4g2, 4#f2, 4e2, 4g2, 4#f2, 8d2, 2b1, 8b1, 4e2, 8d2, 2b1, 8b1, 4e2,
> 8d2, 4d2, 4-, 4a2, 4g2,
> 4#f2, 4e2, 4g2, 4#f2, 8d2, 2b1, 8b1, 4e2, 8d2, 2b1, 8b1, 4e2, 8d2, 4d2
>
> get out the map
> (edited 07.31.02)
> tempo 70
> 8g2, 4c3, 8a2, 4a2, 8a2, 4g2, 16e2, 8d2, 4c2, 16c2, 16g2, 8g2, 16g2,
> 8e2,  8g2, 8e2, 8d2, 8c2, 8d2, 8e2, 8d2, 8c2, 2c2, 16g2, 16c2, 16g2, 16g2=
,
> 16a2, 16a2, 16a2,16a2,  8a2, 8a2, 8g2, 16a2,16a2, 16g2, 8g2, 16e2, 8d2,
> 4c2, 8g2, 4a2, 8b2, 16c3, 8c3,8a2, 8g2, 8a2, 16g2, 4g2
>
>
> leeds
> tempo 100
> 8d2, 4d2, 4g2, 4a2, 8b2, 4a2, 8g2, 2g2, 8d2, 8d2, 4g2, 4a2, 4a2, 8a2, 4a2=
,
> 8d2, 8d2, 4f2, 4f2, 8e2,
> 2f2, 8d2, 4d2, 4g2, 4a2, 4a2, 4b2, 8c3, 8c3, 4b2, 8a2, 2g2, 8d2, 8g2, 4g2=
,
> 4a2, 4g2, 8e2, 2e2, 8d2,
> 8g2, 8e2, 4a2, 2g2
>
> our deliverance
> tempo 63
> 8g1, 8b1, 8c2, 4d2, 8.d2, 4g2, 8#f2, 4e2, 4d2, 4g2, 8#f2, 4e2, 4d2, 8b1,
> 8d2, 8b1, 16a1, 16g1, 4g1,
> 8g1, 8b1, 8c2, 4d2, 8.d2, 4g2, 8#f2, 4e2, 4d2, 4g2, 8#f2, 4e2, 4d2, 8b1,
> 8d2, 8b1, 16a1, 16g1, 8g1
>
> shed your skin
> tempo 90
> 8e2, 8e2, 8d2, 8c2, 2a1, 4e2, 8d2, 8c2, 8a1, 2a1, 8e2, 8d2, 8c2, 4a1, 8g1=
,
> 8g1, 4a1, 2c2, 8e2, 8e2,
> 8d2, 8c2, 2a1, 4e2, 8d2, 8c2, 8a1, 2a1, 8e2, 8e2, 8d2, 4c2, 8a1, 8g1, 8e2=
,
> 4e2, 8d2, 4c2
>
> :-) karen
> ----
> "got to learn to respect what we don't understand" -- amy ray,=a0 indigo =
girls
>
> "well the world seems spent and the president has no good
> idea of who the masses are
> well i'm one of them and i'm among friends
> we're trying to see beyond the fences in our own backyards" (isn't that t=
he
> truth?!)
> -- emily saliers, indigo girls
>
> "this world falls on me dreams of immortality, everywhere i turn all the
> beauty
> just keeps shaking me"=a0 -- amy, again
>
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suggested reading list:


bury my heart at wounded knee - dee brown


lies my teacher told me - james w. loewen


a people's history of the united states - howard zinn


peace,
tim

on fri, 18 apr 2003 12:41:44 -0400 joe agueci <sprdinosur@aol.com>
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>
> simply put... the indians lost.
>
> joe
> manhattan,ny


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this song reminds me of toy story 2.  *giggles*


anyway, in 1999, i was doing a northeast indigohead tour, (when i met
several of you) and we arrived at saratoga springs, ny venue (spac) early
early.    we had time to swim in the little creek river, and the girls were
rehearsing.  this was before cons came out, and emily was singing andy.
with the venue's acoustics, and jilly, shelley, and i in the swimming hole,
it was tooo ethereal.


that night, we heard "cedar tree", too.  with the irish zing to it.
wonderful.


diane

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> >>but for emily i am going to say the wood song.
>
>:-) karen>>>
>
>karen rules!!!
>
and so does the wood song.


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>i'm sorry, are we referring to semantics? maybe if we were discussing the
>nuances of a definition, but in the case of sight vs cite i'd like to
>think of myself as more of a simple grammar champion. really, if you're
>going to use big words - or small ones - please know what they mean.


cool! you sound like a fellow editor. i endorse your position.


tom m.
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>why do people skip hey jesus? i happen to love that song, so i'm curious
>why someone would hate it. a bunch of you seem to hate it. lyrics, music,
>religious content, what?
>
>-andrea
>


andrea,


to me, hey jesus sounds forced and melodramatic with an obvious message. i
used to be bothered by the religious content, but that no longer bothers me.
i don't hate it, but i could live without it.


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>a people's history of the united states - howard zinn
>
>peace,
>tim


great choice, tim. that book rearranged my head but good. i think i've read
it three times now. stunning. it was largely responsible for my decision to
never vote for one of the two major parties again. they are just two hand
puppets controlled by the same entity, to use a metaphor of nader's.


it should be used as a high school history text, but that would upset some
folks.


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    ah, censorship.  (unless everybody plumb shut up about colonialism, which
would surprise me.)  i won't weigh in on that because i'd like this post to
get through.    however, i would just like to send a shout-out of support to
shaming of the sun!  shame on you was the first indigo girls song i heard,
sots the first i bought, and to date it still hits me the hardest.  if all
their music was emily singing sadly to her acoustic guitar, i would not be a
fan.  guess i'm more of a young punk than an old-guard folkie.  keep in mind
that dylan was eventually forgiven!  personally, i think become you is an
(albeit mellow) train wreck in comparison to all others, including strange
fire, when one gives consideration to the point in their career at which each
was released.
    just a little blasphemy to stir things up, since the fact of
neo-colonialism (which a&e clearly recognize, to the point of having the
honor the earth tour to try and rectify some of the problems it causes) is
apparently a bit too much to publicly stomach.  whoops.  hope this gets
posted.


lisa


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i'm just about the same age as the girls and, when it came out, i *totally*
related to hj.  i think it epitomizes that late teen/early twenties' angst
when a crisis in love makes you question the way you construct the
world.  i don't skip it now--i don't skip anything, although i do really
cringe at history of us and think andy's is, umm, dull--but i do agree
w/tom that hj is less than subtle.  you can chart the course of the girls'
lives, their maturity, through their lyrics and hj is a prime example of
this.  it's not that a break-up hurts less when your thirty-something going
on forty (see all amy songs on shaming--lol), it's just that you usually
have past experience that can temper the present situation.  ok, i know,
i've just alienated all folks in their early twenties or those in their
30s, 40s, 50s whose recent break-up changed their lives--i admit i'm
generalizing.


:) lisa


at 11:11 am 4/19/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>>why do people skip hey jesus? i happen to love that song, so i'm curious
>>why someone would hate it. a bunch of you seem to hate it. lyrics, music,
>>religious content, what?
>>
>>-andrea
>
>andrea,
>
>to me, hey jesus sounds forced and melodramatic with an obvious message. i
>used to be bothered by the religious content, but that no longer bothers me.
>i don't hate it, but i could live without it.
>
>tom m.
>"i will climb the ridge at daybreak,
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>to my mother in the moon."
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>
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in a message dated 4/18/03 7:00:59 pm eastern daylight time,
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> i'm sorry, are we referring to semantics? maybe if we were discussing the
> nuances of a definition, but in the case of sight vs cite i'd like to
> think of myself as more of a simple grammar champion. really, if you're
> going to use big words - or small ones - please know what they mean.


if all you are good at is spelling.... you missed your chance to peak in 3rd
grade

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in a message dated 4/18/03 7:29:10 pm eastern daylight time,
jmonfort@csci.clark.edu writes:

> bringing up the nazis is a weak argument


only becuae you can't back up your own weaker argument based on an obscure
refrence which no one knows about... maybe not even you.


i'm done with this disscusion.. you are dull and aside from spelling well you
argue as well as a house plant


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in a message dated 4/19/2003 11:42:11 am pacific daylight time,=20
sprdinosur@aol.com writes:


> i'm done with this disscusion.. you are dull and aside from spelling well=20
> you
> argue as well as a house plant


woah woah woah!  now that's a *personal* attack.  that is not attacking her=20
politics.  that's attacking her.  waaaay out of line, in my opinion...


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in a message dated 4/19/03 2:45:14 pm eastern daylight time,
indigokare@aol.com writes:

> woah woah woah!  now that's a *personal* attack.  that is not attacking her
> politics.  that's attacking her.  waaaay out of line, in my opinion...


woah, woah, woah yourself... i was called 'unable to come up with an original
thought'
which in it self is a personal attack.


<<<(couldn't you have come up with at least one other example to show some
originality?) >>>


so really... if you want to take a stand on personal attacks .. then be fair
and consistant about it.


i agree with you, and for what it's worth, pointing out all of my bad
spellings (which is just a complete waste of time since i've been posting for
four years or so with bad spellings) on the list globaly is just a cheap shot
and attempt by the meak to gain superiority in a field of irrelivence.


pointing out spelling mistakes.. and even more so, posting them globially is
a personal attack as well.


two wrongs don't make a right... fine... but if you can't support a refrence
you bring up, don't post it, and what's more don't change the subject to one
of  elementary school insignifagance because you are called to the table to
show proff.


i'm thrilled to call a truce to the spelling bee. you want to argue, argue
content. dont' be a wimp.


encorectly spelled you're's,


joe
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can this thread, which is now a "flame war", please be taken to private
email...  i doubt very much if anyone else here really wants to hear you
call each other names...


thanks for your consideration...


mark


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the moon is bare and shining bright
let's make peace tonight in a good time"
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(oh wait, that's the other thread, isn't it??)


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hkf,


for any of you coloradoans out there, there are tickets available to
tonight's hte show at csu in ft. collins. it was supposed to be a students
only show, but they have opened up the remaining tickets to the general
public! hope to see some of you there! i can't wait!


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daggone it - i'd been waiting for these tickets
to go onsale and i missed getting anything
decent.


if anyone happened to buy 2 extra tickets in the
front orchestra for this show august 18 in dc,
please let me know.  i'll be glad to take them
off your hands and throw in a boot to boot (heh
heh....).


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i even like the album version of "andy" - a very seductive and sensual song, with a strong sense of place. sorry for the 'lit-crit', but i just can't see why people are *so* against it... i like that we all like - and dislike - such different songs

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>
>i agree.... cons does not do "andy" justice.
>
>you have to hear it live to fully appreciate it! (i didn't like it at first
>either, but after hearing it live... wow!)
>
>:-) karen
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on 19 april lauren wrote:
>>other favorites:
bury my heart at wounded knee
rockin' in the free world
american tune
i don't wanna talk about it
river
tangled up in blue
measure of me (the "ig" version from to be expected - 9:30 club?)<<

are non-ig songs allowed for faves and skips? i was just going on their own writing, but only measure of me is ig here?  they are all faves of mine too, btw!

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eileen asks if non-ig authored tracks are "allowed"?


that's me.  daring to break all the rules!


i just figured "other" would cover non-album tracks.


upon re-reading my post, i realized that i neglected to get back to become
you.  i essentially agree with jason's assessment.  imo, not only is it by
far their strongest work since swampophelia, but it's really the album on
which amy has come into her own as a writer.  i like all of the emily songs,
but amy's are generally stronger, imo.  (disclaimer:  it's not the r&r nature
of sos or cons that gets me.  i just think they're weak efforts.)


don't have it in front of me to list faves right now, but i do have a special
soft spot for a track that nobody's mentioned yet, and that is yield.  when i
heard them sing it in seattle this summer, just two weeks after john
entwistle died, i started crying at:


when you're three days
down the highway
and you're lookin'
like i feel
it takes a lot
to keep it goin'
it takes a lot
to keep it real
take some time
for yourself
and learn
to yield


i also think become you is a most impressive track.


lauren


> on 19 april lauren wrote:
>
> >>other favorites:
> bury my heart at wounded knee
> rockin' in the free world
> american tune
> i don't wanna talk about it
> river
> tangled up in blue
> measure of me (the "ig" version from to be expected - 9:30 club?)<<
>
> are non-ig songs allowed for faves and skips? i was just going on their own
> writing, but only measure of me is ig here?  they are all faves of mine
> too, btw!
>
>
> peace,
>
>
> eileen
>


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so i was wondering, could anyone who went to the recent concerts give a
little more info on the speeches? nothing word for word, but maybe some of
the main points. it seems to me most people have said the speeches were
good, but there wasn't any elaboration beyond that. if i remember
correctly the big topic this tour was wind power and i was curious to hear
a little more about it since i had a physics prof who made a comment once
on the practicality of wind power.
thanks much in advance.
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omg, i tooooootally agree about "become you" and "yeild". in fact, if
they'd put out a cd with just those two songs on it and charged full-cd
price, i'd have bought it. (i would not have been happy about it, of
course... :) but i'd have bought it.) i also really like moment of
forgiveness, but i listened to it so much just before and just after the
album came out that i sort of got tired of it.

on sat, 19 apr 2003 indigotraveller@aol.com wrote:


> eileen asks if non-ig authored tracks are "allowed"?
>
> that's me.  daring to break all the rules!
>
> i just figured "other" would cover non-album tracks.
>
> upon re-reading my post, i realized that i neglected to get back to become
> you.  i essentially agree with jason's assessment.  imo, not only is it by
> far their strongest work since swampophelia, but it's really the album on
> which amy has come into her own as a writer.  i like all of the emily songs,
> but amy's are generally stronger, imo.  (disclaimer:  it's not the r&r nature
> of sos or cons that gets me.  i just think they're weak efforts.)
>
> don't have it in front of me to list faves right now, but i do have a special
> soft spot for a track that nobody's mentioned yet, and that is yield.  when i
> heard them sing it in seattle this summer, just two weeks after john
> entwistle died, i started crying at:
>
> when you're three days
> down the highway
> and you're lookin'
> like i feel
> it takes a lot
> to keep it goin'
> it takes a lot
> to keep it real
> take some time
> for yourself
> and learn
> to yield
>
> i also think become you is a most impressive track.
>
> lauren
>
> > on 19 april lauren wrote:
> >
> > >>other favorites:
> > bury my heart at wounded knee
> > rockin' in the free world
> > american tune
> > i don't wanna talk about it
> > river
> > tangled up in blue
> > measure of me (the "ig" version from to be expected - 9:30 club?)<<
> >
> > are non-ig songs allowed for faves and skips? i was just going on their own
> > writing, but only measure of me is ig here?  they are all faves of mine
> > too, btw!
> >
> >
> > peace,
> >
> >
> > eileen
> >
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ok.  it's a little after midnight, and i'm back home in front of my computer
after a wonderful honor the earth night in ft. collins.


i won't bore you with the details of how i got in, when i arrived, or how i
achieved reaching "my spot" (frc between a & e).  but all was right with the
world, come show time i was in the perfect seat, with a stage a mere 2  feet
high.


the show started just a few minutes after 7 with the honor the earth film.
it ran about ten minutes.  if memory serves, it's largely the same film i saw
on the y2k hte tour, with a few updated bits.


then a&e came out and played:
hammer and a nail
and
jonas and ezekial


right there, it was already worth making the trek to ft. c!  oh, it was so
good to hear both of those songs.  i've especially been jonesin' to hear j&e
for years now.  don't think i've caught it live since the '92 tour!  yay!!!


then a&e took turns reading prepared notes introducing the honor the earth
organization.


next up was bob gough (sp?), a native fellow who's been working very hard to
set up a wind turbine (can't remember where).  he was very informative and
articulate.  talked for a while and played a prominent role during the q&a.
(i expect you can learn about both him and wind power at honortheearth.org.)


then emily did a quick intro of winona.


winona spoke at length about the work being done by hte.  all very
interesting stuff.


then a&e did a mini-show for which the show was up on its' feet, turning it
into a real concert.  yay!  (personally, i didn't mind the people rushing the
stage.  i figure i've got the best starting point in the house, and that it's
my job to move up at the right moment if that's what's going on.  no pissing
and moaning from me about people coming down into my space unless they're
assholes about it!)


closer to fine
become you
let it be me
scooter boys
wood song (yes, karen, that was me who called!)
new song (my guess at a title is let me go easy)


then there was an extensive q&a session.  i will roughly paraphrase /
identify the topics and say who took the question, but i will not try to
repeat the questions or the answers.
1) how do we protest the war in iraq while supporting the troops?  should we
even be supporting the troops?  - e
2) i informed them about the conference on world affairs held every april
here in boulder at cu.  it's an amazing conference, and i think they'd love
participating.  i then provided each of them with this year's cwa panel
schedule.
3) activism advice - w
4) how do we bring back, regenerate the earth? - w
5) how is it that the feds are allowed on the reservations? - b
6) how about the issue of wind turbines killing birds? - b
7) how do we insure that when we pay for wind power from excel (co's power
supplier) that we are getting it? - b
8) someone suggesting building coalition with michael moore and getting him
to make a bowling for columbine type documentary for hte issues.  (i wish i'd
had the mike to let them know that mm has been a cwa participant!)
9) the ft. collins city council recently passed a resolution to supply15% of
the city's energy needs from renewable sources over the next 15 years.  who's
doing even more? - b/w
10) when is winona going to run for president? - w
11) as an activist, how do you get people engaged? - a/e
12) can wind power be stored?  how? - b
13) how could w run for president when it put bush, someone antithetical to
the health of the earth in office? - w
14) i feel powerless to really make a difference, what do i do? - a
15) mobilizing people to make wind power happen on campus at csu. - b
16) forestry issues. - w
17) building coalition with indigenous populations outside of the us. - w


hope that's interesting to all of you.  it was very interesting to be there.
i wasn't bored at all, and i learned a whole lot.


then to wrap things up (for which the crowd was back on their feet, rushing
the stage!), they played an awfully fast version of shame on you, followed by
a beautiful finlandia.


the crowd was great.  supportive, respectful, challenging, and singing.


all eight of the people between me and my friend will be there on tuesday.
and it was fun to learn that the woman right in front of amy was at the same
hail on the rocks show that i was back june of '91.  yes, we really did have
a hail storm on the first day of summer.  it was intense!


more on tuesday.


lauren


p.s.  in an effort to include people far away, during the show i called my
friends stevie and amy in austin (the keepers of my dog, indigo, who some of
you met at last year's tx show), jason for become you, carolyn in wa for let
it be me, karen (i hope that number is still current) for wood song, and a
few other folks.  if there's anything in particular that you'd be super
psyched to hear on tuesday, drop me a private note.


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it's tomorrow, and i just re-read my post.  a few minor points...


then a&e did a mini-show for which the show was up on its' feet, turning it
into a real concert.


that should read the crowd was up on its' feet.


also, i meant to mention that while everyone rushed the stage for a happy,
dancing, singing, concert segment, when that part was over, everyone went
back and sat down for the q&a, rushing again when it was time for the closing
numbers.  perfect, imo.


lauren


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lauren replied:
>>>that's me.  daring to break all the rules!<<<
good for you!  i love all those tracks!

peace,
eileen

        + + + + + + + + + + + + + +

if you want to see a fantasy world,
                    open your eyes and step outside.
                                                      terry pratchett                                                    
>from: indigotraveller@aol.com
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>subject: re: faves and skips
>date: sat, 19 apr 2003 17:25:26 edt
>
>eileen asks if non-ig authored tracks are "allowed"?
>
>that's me. daring to break all the rules!
>
>i just figured "other" would cover non-album tracks.

express yourself with cool emoticons. get msn messenger today.

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lauren, thank you so much for the concert call!  i was wondering who called=20
me.


it sounded great!


:-) karen


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"got to learn to respect what we don't understand" -- amy ray,=a0 indigo gir=
ls


"well the world seems spent and the president has no good
idea of who the masses are
well i'm one of them and i'm among friends
we're trying to see beyond the fences in our own backyards" (isn't that the=20
truth?!)
-- emily saliers, indigo girls


"this world falls on me dreams of immortality, everywhere i turn all the=20
beauty
just keeps shaking me"=a0 -- amy, again


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hello all
i have one ellen ticket available for tonights show in atlanta at symphony
hall. 7:30 pm. 9th row. im asking face value. please call if interested.
please do not respond to this email.
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i apologize to all past, present, and future moderators for jumping to
conclusions and assuming the topic of colonialism had been nixed, and then
making catty remarks about the censorship. i just figured that a tiny digest
composed only of two non-offensive topics immediately after the furor about
scooter boys could only mean... yeah.  i'm sorry.  mmm, crow.


lisa


(and yes, after seeing it degenerate, i am glad to see the topic off to
private email)


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howdee all - it's your bge reporting birthdays for this upcoming week!

april 21 ('76)
karey@u.washington.edu (karey weisman eals)
"everything that i believe is wrong with you, is wrong with me
everything i truly love, i love in you and i love in me"


april 22
a-jessio@microsoft.com (jessica owen)


april 23
kayetea@aol.com (katy)


april 24
hoff@tusco.net (rhonda hoffmeyer)


april 24 ('57)
jdjones@earthlink.net (deb)


april 24 ('80)
grnpeace@fullnet.com (kate)


april 24 ('78)
skippeec@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu (elizabeth)
"if you were the last man on earth, i would swim across the ocean on a
rumor that screech from saved by the bell was spotted in japan." -
from ellen


april 25 ('78)
ryan@ou.edu (ryan knight)
"every five years or so i look back on my life, and i have a good
laugh..."


april 26
peachy706@aol.com (katie)


april 26 ('77)
ahill7o9@mwcgw.mwc.edu (anne hill)


april 27
tawaz@facstaff.eisc.edu (terese walz)
*shaming of the sun, april 29 1997

wow!  well have a wonderful birthday - each and every one of you!
be safe!


love and devotion,
audra
bge

"when i say 'i will be true to you' i am drawing a quiet space
beyond the reach of other desires.  no-one can legislate love;
it cannot be given orders or cajoled into service.  love belongs
to itself, deaf to pleading and unmoved by violence.  love is
not something you can negotiate.  love is the one thing stronger
than desire and the only proper reason to resist temptation."
         -- jeanette winterson, _written on the body_ (p. 77-78)


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at 11:30 pm -0400 4/18/03, emliz92@aol.com wrote:


>thud! sorry that was me falling off my chair, "this train" is my favorite amy
>song of all time!


hey, you falling off your chair made my whole list worth it.  :-d  i
live to outrage.  ;-)  let me say that i do like the song.  just out
of everything on swamp ophelia, it's the song i like the least.  like
i said, that album is just about perfect.


jason


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um....is there any way to do this for the sucky sprint phones?


i mean, you can only listen to ride of the valkyries so many times before
it loses it's flava...


;)


-tracy
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music and a message
indigo girls talk politics, play tunes


by pat muir


the indigo girls concert monday night on central washington university's
campus in some ways had the feel of a political rally - it even drew a
handful of protesters outside the show - but it also seemed like an
intimate evening of song and conversation.


the sofa and coffee table on stage, plus the stripped-down nature of the
music, lent itself to that familial feel. looking out at the packed
samuelson union building ballroom - event organizers estimated about 600
people - indigo girl amy ray compared it to thanksgiving with her
family, because there's "about this many people, and they force me to play."


there were several such moments of levity, but the overall theme of the
event, american indian environmental activism, was serious business to
ray and her bandmate, emily saliers.


the duo is touring with indian activist winona laduke, ralph nader's
green party running mate in 2000, to raise funds and awareness for their
environmental partnership, honor the earth. russell jim, environmental
restoration waste management program manager for the yakama nation, also
spoke.


at about 7:30, the evening began with a short state-of-the-environment
video and a couple of songs by jim boyd, who is from the colville indian
reservation and now lives in spokane. ray and saliers then spoke about
the importance of the indian environmental movement.


"on many levels the native lens is the most important lens to see
through" when examining the environment, ray said.


the u.s. government policy of environmental imperialism ultimately could
destroy the earth's resources, she said.


"our frontier ways and our philosophy of dominance have put us in an
exploitative relationship with our environment and its peoples," ray said.


jim spoke next, then laduke, who continued on the themes ray had brought
up. the columbia river should flow freely and the hanford nuclear
facility must be cleaned up, she said.


"we got ourselves to where we are now," laduke said. "we are a society
that's based on conquest, not survival."


the audience did not just listen politely, tolerating the speakers while
waiting for the music. it erupted with applause, shouting encouragement
to jim and laduke. the biggest ovations, though, came soon after when
the indigo girls strapped on their guitars and launched into their
eight-song set.


they began with two of their biggest hits, "closer to fine" and "shame
on you," which brought dozens of dancers to the stage. ray and saliers
brought down the volume for a couple of more serious political songs and
joked in between at how hard it is to keep instruments tuned over the
course of a concert.


"we really are a professional touring band," saliers assured the crowd,
drawing laughs.


the girls closed the set with "galileo," another crowd-pleasing hit.
then they brought laduke and jim back on stage where the four of them
took questions until after 10 p.m. several people asked how they could
get involved with the movement.


there are many ways, came the response, beginning with sending cards to
washington's senators asking them to support alternative energy.
volunteers passed out such cards, the message already printed, requiring
only a signature and a stamp.


it was good to see such sentiment is alive on campus, ray said. neither
she nor saliers mentioned the five protesters outside the sub, and
laduke mentioned them only briefly, dismissing their
anti-environmentalism position.


the protesters had carried signs near the sub's main entrance that read
things such "i love oil," and "paganism plus communism equals
environmentalism."


"environmentalists are ruining this country for the american worker,"
said ryan byers, a cwu freshman.


leslie webb, director of cwu's diversity center, a co-sponsor of the
event, said she just kind of had to laugh off the anti-environment
sentiment. it's good to see people exercising free speech, but "i think
it's silly," she said.


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sunday, april 13, 2003, 12:00 a.m. pacific


making waves, not tsunamis


the indigo girls are coming to seattle, their publicist told me.


great. can't wait.


well, they're not just performing at the university of washington's hub
ballroom tuesday. on this, their fifth "honor the earth" tour, amy ray
and emily saliers will share the stage with the green party's winona
laduke to discuss environmental issues.


like?


wind power. salmon preservation in the snake and columbia rivers. waste
at the hanford nuclear reservation. u.s. energy policy and its effect on
native people. the exxon valdez, 14 years after the spill ...


i felt something give.


for while i love the indigos   their music, their hearts and their minds
  their list felt too long, especially at a time when we are being
"messaged" to near-madness.


the last two years have forced us all to take stock of our priorities
and beliefs.


but while we till the soil of our souls, the seeds of activism have been
flying hard and fast.


no iraq war. support the troops. vote for choice. question bush. support
wind power.


noble messages, all. delivered well, and we'll make room in our minds to
consider your cause. delivered poorly, and, well ...


think michael moore at the oscars. grab the moment, sure, but do you
have to be so sloppy about it?


sean penn went to baghdad, "to find my own voice on matters of conscience."


more power to you, but it sounds like this was a personal journey. why
the cameras?


dixie chick natalie maines said from a london stage: "just so you know,
we're ashamed the president of the united states is from texas."


glad to have that settled. now please play a song.


making waves is the best way to fight complacent waters. but those same
waves can swamp you   and leave the rest of us gasping for air.


there's a dixie chicks boycott under way, and moore   whose
documentaries have always packed a punch   risks becoming a punch line.


better to be more demure: susan sarandon's classic peace sign at the
oscars; sheryl crow's "no war" guitar strap. get out there too hard with
too much, and people turn you off.


alanis morissette was at the showbox last week for a benefit for voters
for choice. a vfc exec said a few words, then morissette did what she
does best: she sang.


was the message received?


"it's for freedom of choice," said james olson, 23. "you can't get
better than that."


i posed all this to indigo amy ray the other day.


yes, she said, it looks like a lot of issues will be onstage with us,
but they are all connected: we use power from the snake and columbia's
hydroelectric dams, which affects the salmon in those rivers, which
affects the livelihood of indigenous populations, which affects ...


get it? i do.


and in case anyone gets overwhelmed, ray said, attendees will receive
"action cards" on how to do and learn more.


"i do what i can," ray said, "and try to be smart about it."


that's more than most.


nicole brodeur's column appears sunday, tuesday and thursday. reach her
at 206-464-2334 or at nbrodeur@seattletimes.com.


more columns at www.seattletimes.com/columnists. she'll walk, not talk.


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so my goddamn dresser is falling apart.  last night
i found my cat sleeping in the part where the drawers
*should* push in.


what's a girl to do?  go to ikea of course!  but problem:
the shit at ikea does not come assembled.


so, me, being a bad lesbian (in this case) can not
assemble a dresser.  power tools, or tools in general,
just ain't my thing.  so i am telling this to raystah on
the phone earlier.


what does ray offer to do?!?  come over and assemble my
dresser for me.  she is such a great butch!  in fact, i do
believe that she wins the butch of the year award,
hands down!


i hereby nominate raysterfiend as butch of the year 2003.


anyone want to second that?


xoxoxo


spike


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just want to let people know that diane sawyer is doing a special with the
dixie chicks on friday evening.  the show is going to talk about the comment
made about bush, and the boycotts that took place.


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date:         mon, 21 apr 2003 20:55:10 -0400
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from:         "karen r." <indigokare@aol.com>
subject:      re: i'm a bad lesbian... raystah saves me (again!)
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oh shit!  i meant to send that to another list!


<blushes>


:-) karen


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