lifeblood: listlogs: 2003-05a


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date:         wed, 30 apr 2003 21:21:50 -0700
reply-to:     debra <pbbbdl@humboldt1.com>
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from:         debra <pbbbdl@humboldt1.com>
subject:      future of music coalition letter to fcc on media deregulation
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hey all - if you want to do something to support fmc you can co-sign the =
letter at this address.  for those who aren't familiar with their site - =
it's a great place to get educated and they make participation in media =
activism easy for the general public. =20


http://www.futureofmusic.org/news/fccmusicianletter.cfm


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date:         thu, 1 may 2003 08:51:08 -0400
reply-to:     anna creech <creechal@spamcop.net>
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from:         anna creech <creechal@spamcop.net>
subject:      re: ig-  special request
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i don't know how aol mail is set up (mainly because it's a crappy isp and i'll
never deal with it), but every other mail system i have ever used has allowed me
to filter mail coming from or to specific addresses to a folder of my choice.  i
do this with all of my listserv mail, including mail from this list.  that way,
the only time list mail gets confused with spam mail is when a spammer gains
access to the list somehow and sends a message there, which is rare.


i think that you need to look into filtering options for yourself before asking
600-800 other people to change.


anna


"i'm of a fearsome mind to throw my arms around every living librarian who
crosses my path, on behalf of the souls they never knew they saved."
     --barbara kingsolver
http://www.eclecticlibrarian.net | good music found here: mp3.com/wishingchair


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date:         thu, 1 may 2003 11:35:35 -0400
reply-to:     ron mcbay <usul@mindspring.com>
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from: "mary ferrara" <thebagelgal@aol.com>
mf>
mf> i have a request for everyone on the list,  to put "ig" as part of the
mf> subject line in your email.


  an easier (and more convenient) solution might be if the list manager
(sherlyn?  jen?) could automatically put "[indigo-girls]" in the subject header
like she already does for "[ig-news]".


ron
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date:         thu, 1 may 2003 11:51:08 -0500
reply-to:     dreiser <moondust@gate.net>
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from:         dreiser <moondust@gate.net>
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we'll never get 500 people to simultaneously change their behavior, so i agree that setting up a filter that keys on the listserv address will do the trick.


however, isn't it possible for the listserv to automatically insert something like iglist: or ig-l: in the subject line prior to the sender's title? i'm on a few work-related mailing lists and all those messages come in with the list name inserted before the subject.


sherlyn, is this possible? even if you're not filtering, mail from this list will be immediately recognizable in your inbox and sortable. something to ponder.


deb


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anna creech wrote:


i think that you need to look into filtering options for yourself beforeasking 600-800 other people to change.


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date:         thu, 1 may 2003 13:51:07 -0700
reply-to:     "riney, loralei" <loralei.riney@bannerhealth.com>
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from:         "riney, loralei" <loralei.riney@bannerhealth.com>
subject:      loralei no longer at banner health effective 5/9/03
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hello all ..
well th4ere are friends and those i haev wroked with here on this list. =
i wanted to let you allknow i will no longer be at the =
loralei.riney@bannerhealth.com address. please remove form your lists as =
of 5/9/03.=20


will miss most of you. will try and contact to give private email. if =
you have it already...go ahead and use it..if you want it contact me =
here until the 8th.=20


have a great day,.=20
loralei


sparkie


lann

official offer came today and lo it came to pass at 11:30 am loralei did =
feel much better....


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date:         thu, 1 may 2003 14:20:41 -0700
reply-to:     juliana smith <monkeemaidjules@yahoo.com>
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from:         juliana smith <monkeemaidjules@yahoo.com>
subject:      re: madison setlist
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howdy ya'll,


<<did anyone boot this one? would love a copy if so,
trade or b&p - thanks!>>


i have to second this.  i would give my right arm-i'm
left-handed, thank goodness-to get a copy of the 2003
madison show, or at least trade or b&p, to any
wonderful person who has a copy of it.


i already have cover art and it's going to waste!  so
please, i'm on my hands and knees, lemme know if
anyone can help me out!  peace and love, ya'll.


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date:         fri, 2 may 2003 01:26:00 -0400
reply-to:     jen lucero <jenlucero@comcast.net>
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from:         jen lucero <jenlucero@comcast.net>
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hi folks,


just a note on setting the listserv to automatically put an "ig list" header on list posts....


while this is a wonderful suggestion, at this time i am reluctant to add this option to the listserv command file.  i will evaluate this for the future and let you know when and if it becomes a viable option.


in the meantime, i heartily second the mail program filters mentioned by a couple of listees...i have multiple filters set on my email programs (aol, outlook, and yahoo) and have found them to be quite effective in sorting all sorts of mailing lists and accounts.


and since i have your attention...please, please, please remember to cut out extraneous text when replying to the list!!


thanks!


have a great weekend all...


jen


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date:         fri, 2 may 2003 15:31:45 edt
reply-to:     emliz92@aol.com
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hi ,
i was wondering if anyone has a boot of the meadowbrook farm show, from this
past summer? i would love a copy,please email if you can!


thank you,


janet


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date:         fri, 2 may 2003 18:29:13 -0400
reply-to:     jen cattin <jencattin@attbi.com>
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hi y'all,


i just received, last week, a great copy of the meadowbrook farms =
concert from last year. i'd forgotten just how awesome that show was and =
i'm looking to share!  i'll take the first 10 responses for b&p.


peace,
jen


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date:         fri, 2 may 2003 23:18:52 -0500
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musicians confront fcc over ownership of media

by john nichols
may 1, 2003


don't go looking for the compact discs of country singer toby keith and jazz player ellis marsalis jr. in the same section of a music megastore.
don't expect to find a concert venue where downtown poet patti smith will share the stage with uptown piano man billy joel.
and don't even imagine that you will be able to tune in that magic radio frequency where neil diamond croons, pearl jam rocks and van dyke parks explores the musical byways of america.
an examination of the cd collections of most americans will still reveal the sort of diverse tastes that find room for the acoustic folk rock of the indigo girls, the alternative rock of michael stipe and rem, and the classic rock of don henley and the eagles.
but increasingly corporate and commercial media reject this very american penchant for diversity in favor of tightly formatted radio stations, lowest-common-denominator marketing strategies and the sort of homogenized and sanitized music that sounds as if it were created by a poll or a focus group - as opposed to an artist.
musicians of all stripes are starting to recognize that the galloping consolidation of american media - especially in radio, where most americans were first introduced to their favorite songs - has reduced the ability of recording artists to take the risks that reshape our consciousness, to explore new ideas and new sounds and, ultimately, to be heard.
since congress passed the telecommunications act of 1996, which removed barriers to the number of radio stations one media conglomerate could own, the largest of these conglomerates - texas-based clear channel - has grabbed more than 1,200 stations and shaped a musical mix characterized by the homogenization of playlists, the death of programming diversity, less local programming, reduced public access to the airwaves and rapidly declining public satisfaction with radio and the music it plays.
"there are clear lessons from the dramatic consolidation of ownership in the radio industry following the telecommunications act of 1996 and how it has impacted the historic goals of localism, competition and diversity," says ann chaitovitz, director of sound recordings at the american federation of television and radio artists. and the lessons are not good for american music or american musicians.
that's why now, as the five members of the federal communications commission consider a series of rule changes that would open the door to more consolidation, commercialism, corporatism and corruption, keith, marsalis, smith, joel, diamond, stipe, henley, parks, pearl jam and the indigo girls have joined two dozen other prominent artists to sign a letter asking the fcc to halt the rush to enact the changes by early june.
the musicians are urging fcc chairman michael powell to provide congress and citizens a full opportunity to review proposed changes in media ownership rules before they are enacted. in addition, they make the case that basic rules to control against monopolies, hyper-commercialism and the loss of local content are both needed and broadly supported by americans.
"we believe the record demonstrates both the value of existing media ownership rules and the dangers in permitting widespread consolidation of ownership," the letter declares. "we also believe the fcc has been negligent in listening to important stakeholder groups, like musicians, recording artists and radio professionals, to ensure their testimony is on the record."
the letter from some of the best-known musicians in the country is the latest sign of the broad opposition to rule changes being considered by the fcc. the changes would allow one company to own newspapers, television and radio in the same town, and would allow more consolidation of media ownership on the local and national levels.
"the commission is considering possible changes to broadcast ownership rules which were put in place by congress to ensure that the public would have access to a wide range of news, information and programming, as well as diverse political views. repeal or significant modification of these rules would likely open the door to numerous mergers that could reduce competition and diversity in the media.
a final rule, significantly altering media ownership limits, could have serious ramifications for robust public debate and the marketplace of ideas," read a recent letter from leaders of consumers union, the consumer federation of america, the afl-cio, the leadership conference on civil rights and other groups that urged powell to open up the process.
"the mass media provide americans the information and news they need to participate fully in our democratic society. if media ownership rules are seriously weakened, one company in a town could control the most popular newspaper, tv station, and possibly even a cable system, giving it dominant influence over the content and slant of local news. such a move would reduce the diversity of cultural and political discussion in a community."
musicians are especially worried about the loss of cultural diversity - and the practical impact it has on their ability to reach audiences that were once available to them.
"as artists, we recognize the important role that radio and other media play in the vitality of the american culture," says henley. "it is outrageous that many citizens are not even aware these changes are being debated. to a large extent, this is because the fcc leadership has not fully engaged the public. but what frightens me more is the complete absence of any network coverage of this issue. the broadcast interests who clearly stand to benefit from further consolidation have seemingly absolved themselves of their responsibility to cover this proceeding as a news story. if this is the sort of biased coverage we get now, i can't imagine what will pass as journalism in the next phase of our increasingly consolidated media future."
among the other musicians joining henley in signing the letter are jackson browne, jimmy buffett, david crosby, tim mcgraw, joan osborne, tom petty, bonnie raitt, tom waits, jennifer warnes, nancy wilson of heart, sonic youth's thurston moore, fleetwood mac's stevie nicks, and ray manzarek of doors fame.
published: 6:49 am 5/01/03


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date:         sat, 3 may 2003 16:17:02 -0400
reply-to:     jen cattin <jencattin@attbi.com>
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sorry for the nigc.  elaine in glasgow, my email to you keeps getting =
bounced.  you're in!


peace,
jen


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date:         sat, 3 may 2003 21:34:19 -0400
reply-to:     jen cattin <jencattin@attbi.com>
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hi,


i've got my 10.  hopefully they'll want to share with those who still =
want it.


thanks
peace,
jen


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date:         thu, 5 aug 1999 22:23:34 -0400
reply-to:     michael reynolds <mike@uppity-disability.net>
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from:         michael reynolds <mike@uppity-disability.net>
subject:      when obsessive compulsive is a wonderful thing (igc - props to
              neil h)
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ohhhhhhh man...
      very rarely do i now get jealous of a persons record collection, very
rarely do i get to jump on a hours notice and go to a big city for free
(well, there was work involved, a little too much in some respects) but
fate had me going to philly and i grabbed the damned video tapes i owed
neil hunt for ohhhh - well a long time with a few ig boots (hear that tracy
boston boot yet?) and set off to help a couple friends. so when i called
neil and told him i was down - i was welcomed to his house to see pat from
the smithereens (i swear i'd seen them before but i dunno) and he even
offered to give me a ride back to where i was staying (which turned into a
ride to the hospital as the person  i was helping out was incredibly sick -
nothing i did (reallly!) and man neil is like the bootleg god of all
bootleg gods (but i have an elvis bootleg he doesnt have, and i only have
1...go figure...)


randomness - i lust over the signed poster from a&e circa cons tour.


his cds are alphabetized - all 4000 of them


pat dinizito gave me a light i think. it was a long night...


neil's house has great acoustics and good beer, just the beer prices are
rediculous in pa


i have seen house type concerts before and this one rocked - and the wierd
part was at 2-3 am (and my friend confirmed this) we were in a dunkin
donuts finally going home from the er, i hear the smithereens being
introduced on snl and launch into a girl like you....it was surreal - maybe
even less so cus the alcohol was wearing off


neil gave me a boot of tracy chapman in denver 91 - it sounds amazing and
has loads of stuff i never heard live (opens arms is brillant) that alone
is noteworthy...


neil has the closer to fine cd single (never saw it in real life before)


neil has ummmm...........more bootlegs by more bands than should be legal.
i think he has ocd, which may be covered by the ada, heck - it's quite an
accomplishment...


neil and andy have the coolest house concerts - take a train 7 hrs to go
see one - it is worth it...

so go see neily's cd collection (he should charge admission) go to a
concert, bring the neily-meister a six pack and life indeed will be good.
and my friend is out of the hospital today, doing much better than last
week, and i'm in maine, umm recovering from little sleep and too much else...


mike r.


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date:         sun, 4 may 2003 08:31:20 -0700
reply-to:     bonster <bonster@drizzle.com>
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from:         bonster <bonster@drizzle.com>
subject:      2002-09-21 meadowbrook reopened
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i have a copy of this show, so if you missed jen's offer, send me an email.
i'll take the first 5 for b&p or trade.


:)
bon

at 09:34 pm 5/3/2003 -0400, jen cattin wrote:
>hi,
>
>i've got my 10.  hopefully they'll want to share with those who still want it.
>
>thanks
>peace,
>jen


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date:         sun, 4 may 2003 18:29:17 -0500
reply-to:     maggie wilson <maggie@indy.rr.com>
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from:         maggie wilson <maggie@indy.rr.com>
subject:      re: when obsessive compulsive is a wonderful thing (igc - props
              to neil h)
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just curious michael - which signed a&e poster circa cons tour of neil's do
you lust after?


maggie


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date:         mon, 5 may 2003 00:57:20 -0400
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subject:      birthdays!!!!!!!!! (may 5th - 11th, 2003)
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feliz cinco de mayo a todos!  y feliz cumpleanos to the following:


may 10th, (79)
alisa greenberg
agreenb1@swarthmore.edu


* swamp ophelia, may 10 1994


may 11 ('80)
wind80@aol.com (ilana deutsch)
"i am intense, i am in need, i am in pain, i am in love"


* rites of passage, may 12 1992


may 11 ('74)
mcunningham5@earthlink.net (mike cunningham)
"if the world is night, shine my life like a light"-es
"i said so little darlin' you get to feel it too"-ar


be safe - stay cool - rock on :)


love and devotion,
audra
bge


"when i say 'i will be true to you' i am drawing a quiet space
beyond the reach of other desires.  no-one can legislate love;
it cannot be given orders or cajoled into service.  love belongs
to itself, deaf to pleading and unmoved by violence.  love is
not something you can negotiate.  love is the one thing stronger
than desire and the only proper reason to resist temptation."
         -- jeanette winterson, _written on the body_ (p. 77-78)


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you know, my girlfriend and i were at falcon ridge folk fest last year and
i remember seeing this mic stand with two bulbous mikes on it poking up out
of the crowd and my girlfriend pointing at it saying, "that must be neil"


same neil?  if so, could you email me and let me know if there's any way i
can get a copy of the dave carter tribute from that fest?  everything was
spot on that night and if there was ever a boot i wanted it would be that
one.


*batting puppy eyes* :)


-t


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hey...


so i don't have all my cds alphabetized - i have a whole section that i've
been meaning to do for a while now. i guess if anything i'm a lapsed-ocd.


signed poster? the one that the official site was selling a couple of years
ago with a&e in a big cornfield-type thing.


and i've not yet made it to falcoln ridge, nor do i generally tape shows, so
that wasn't me.


but i will cop to many other things - so why not come over for our next
house concert and see for yourself :)


neil
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sorry about that!  t'was my confusion.  girlfriend said it was someone else
and for some reason i remembered it wrong.


sorry neil!!! :)  and there's nothing wrong with being highly organized. :)
nuthin' atall...


peace!
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i read a review of madonna's new cd today that included the following:


>>>"intervention" is quite possibly the best song sheryl
crow never wrote and "x-statio process" sounds like a
reincarnation of the indigo girls.

has anyone heard this song? and which ig is she? ;-)


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i didn't know the girls were dead, that they should be reincarnated :-s


marie


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i read a review of madonna's new cd today that included the following:


>>>"intervention" is quite possibly the best song sheryl
crow never wrote and "x-statio process" sounds like a
reincarnation of the indigo girls.

has anyone heard this song? and which ig is she? ;-)


diane


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hey there,


> >>>"intervention" is quite possibly the best song sheryl
> crow never wrote and "x-statio process" sounds like a
> reincarnation of the indigo girls.
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/clipserve/b00008s2vg001008/302-0739540-1847249
check that link for a sound sample of the song


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sorry, that link apparently doesn't work when copy/pasted


try this:
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/asin/b00008s2vg/ref=pd_bxgy_te
xt_1/302-0739540-1847249


sorry about the german;) but the us site doesn't have the sound
samples


kathrin


on 7 may 2003 at 0:59, kathrin siegmund wrote:


> hey there,
>
> > >>>"intervention" is quite possibly the best song sheryl
> > crow never wrote and "x-statio process" sounds like a
> > reincarnation of the indigo girls.
> http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/clipserve/b00008s2vg001008/302-073954
> 0-1847249 check that link for a sound sample of the song
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actually, i've been pretty impressed with the new madonna album,
american life.  she's grown very introspective, and there's a lot of
what npr called "techno-folk" on the album, largely simple stuff with
her vocals over acoustic guitars with interesting studio textures added.


x-static process being ig?  hrm.  okay, i'd liken it to some of emily's
earlier mellow stuff, albeit with a more amy slant to the lyrics... she
does some overdubs and comes across with some nice ig style harmonies.


how bizarre.  it's not a comparison i ever would have made outside of
this forum...


check out the madonna cd, though.  give it 3 listens -- it has to grow
on you a bit.


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although this isn't directly related to anything on
any of my listservs. i  thought some people on them
might be interested!
torrie
dear moveon member,


across the nation, schools are suffering.  tens of
thousands of
teachers have received pink slips and looming budget
deficits only
promise worse to come.  yet in washington, congress
seems unaware
of the problems at home.  they're talking about
cutting taxes and
cutting budgets -- not about how to keep the schools
and essential
services going.


the final vote on these budget cuts will come in just
a few days, and
we're leading a campaign to bring focus to who is
getting hurt --
especially to the cuts that will hurt our kids and
fail our schools.


please join us and sign a petition to congress, asking
key
congressional leaders to lead the fight against tax
and budget cuts,
and to save education and other basic services from
drastic cuts.
just go to:


  http://www.moveon.org/saveschools/


with this petition, we're also collecting personal
stories about the
impact budget cuts have already had on schools in your
area.  tell
congress about teachers who have been fired, about
schools closed,
about the impact on your own children or
grandchildren.  instead of
proposing a plan to support the states and our schools
during this
difficult time, the bush administration is cutting
back billions in
federal support, just when it's most needed.  we've
got to expose
the real-world pain of these cuts.


we'll deliver the petitions and the stories to key
leaders in
congress who have the power to block this dangerous
tax bill.


help us highlight what's at stake at


  http://www.moveon.org/saveschools/


this petition is part of a seven day countdown
campaign, called the
"countdown to budget disaster", leading up to the
final vote.


in the past, the administration has succeeded in
framing budget
negotiations in terms of the size of a tax cut.  of
course, this a
continuation of the right-wing strategy of forcing
historic program
cuts by driving the u.s. budget into deep deficit.
this ideological
maneuver may be good political strategy, but it's
terrible policy.
it's time to fight back.


critiques based on sound economic policy have largely
fallen on deaf
ears.  even alan greenspan objects to tax cuts, yet
congress continues
to argue over the size of cuts.  we have ignored the
vast pain that
will result from a crippled federal government.  this
pain is already
beginning to bubble up from across the nation.  it's
time to connect
the dots.  it's time to focus on the pain, and to lay
responsibility
for this pain on bush and the right-wing ideologues.


our campaign will be a daily drumbeat, in the midst of
congressional
debate on the budget.  each day will focus on a
different kind of
pain, and highlight who is gaining by these cuts and
how.  we will
lay bare the costs of blind ideology -- to our
children, to our
elders and to ourselves.


thank you for your support.


sincerely,


-wes boyd
moveon.org
may 6th, 2003


p.s.  i've attached senator jeffords may 3 radio
address on the budget
cuts below.  he summarizes the situation very well.
_____


saturday, may 3, 2003
senator jim jeffords delivers the
weekly democratic radio address


hello, this is senator jim jeffords of vermont.


two years ago this month i made my decision to leave
the republican
party and become an independent.   one reason i made
that change was
that i felt the republican party that i knew, and grew
up with, had
changed its priorities dramatically.  those changed
priorities were
best
exemplified by president bush's insistence on a budget
that
short-changed so many of our national needs: education
and special
education; health care and prescription drugs for our
elderly,
environmental protection; and, importantly, deficit
reduction.


it is now two years later, and it seems that we're
having the same
debate again.  the president is again proposing a
budget that does not
adequately fund america's needs and includes new tax
breaks that are
likely to force disastrous cuts in urgent national
programs, and create
horrendous future deficits.  and again, those who are
expressing their
reservations are being vilified for taking stands of
conscience.  this
happened in 2001 when i made my decision to leave the
republican party,
and it is sad for me to watch it happen again.  when
did standing on
principle, speaking your conscience and representing
your constituents
become unacceptable in certain republican circles?


when he was pushing for the first tax cut, president
bush said that we
could do it all, we could afford a tax cut, make
investments in our
national priorities, and still have money left over to
pay down the
debt.  time has proven those words wrong, and we have
massive job
losses
and a soaring deficit to show for it.  after the
president's proposal
was reduced, i supported the 2001 tax cut.   that was
a mistake, one i
will not make again.


now, those needs i spoke of two years ago have become
even more
pressing, and we face the new challenges of protecting
america and
fighting a war against terror.  president bush has
said that his plan
is
a, "jobs growth package."  but the only thing
guaranteed to grow is the
federal budget deficit, something republicans used to
care about, and i
still do.  we will be paying for these tax cuts with
borrowed funds,
money borrowed from our children and grandchildren who
will be forced
to
foot the bill.  and these deficits will explode just
as the baby boom
generation begins to retire, further endangering the
health of social
security and medicare, both of which are so critically
important to our
seniors.


perhaps more importantly, the president's plan doesn't
benefit the
people who need it most.  in my home state of vermont,
2,200 people
have
lost their jobs.  many who are lucky enough to have
jobs are just
barely
scraping by.  what will this plan do for them?  well,
two-thirds of
vermont taxpayers will get a tax cut of less than
$100.  yet, someone
who makes a million dollars a year will get a tax cut
of $90,000.


this fervor for tax breaks at the expense of all else
demonstrates that
there are some who see tax cuts not as a policy, but
as a theology.
their belief that tax cuts will solve any problem is
uncompromising,
unyielding, and, sadly, undeterred by past experience.
our goal should
not be a tax cut for the sake of a tax cut, especially
one that gives
most of its benefits to a very few people.  our goal
should be a policy
that puts americans back to work, gets our economy
growing and keeps us
on the right track for future generations.


what should we do to boost our ailing economy and help
those americans
most in need?  we should start by extending
unemployment insurance
benefits, currently scheduled to expire at the end of
may.  more than
100,000 additional jobs were lost in march, and the
overall number of
jobs fell to a 40-month low.  we should help the
states, which are
facing the worst budget crisis in 50 years.   to close
budget deficits,
some states are cutting back school days, eliminating
effective early
education programs and eliminating health insurance
coverage for our
neediest families.  we should support programs that
encourage job
creation, like boosting federal spending to improve
our nation's
highway
system, money we are going to have to spend someday
anyway.  according
to the u.s. department of transportation, 47,000 jobs
are created for
every billion dollars spent on our highways and
bridges.


that is the approach i support.  millions of americans
need help.  yet,
the president insists on a tax cut that hurts those
who need help most,
and helps those who need it least.  in vermont we take
care of our own,
and as a nation we should do the same.


this is jim jeffords, independent senator of vermont,
thanks for
listening.
_____

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man, what a reach. madonna sounding like ig. i listened to the clip and =
i didn't get anything out of comparing it to ig.


go figure.=20
  paula


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there is a new date on pollstar, nashville,  tn on 8/21/03


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access denied. while we're on the subject of federal commissions and their actions, the indigo girls, r.e.m.'s michael stipe and dozens of other music notables ranging from billy joel to ian mackaye have signed a letter to federal communications commission chairman michael powell urging against the further relaxation of media ownership rules -- and for further openness in the discussion process. the musicians argue that the media consolidation resulting from the 1996 telecommunications act has had "far-reaching negative repercussions on our ability to gain access to the public airwaves." see www.futureofmusic.org for the full letter.

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this isn't directly related to anything on any of my
lists, but i still thought that some people might be
interested.
torrie
dear moveon member,


across the nation, schools are suffering.  tens of
thousands of
teachers have received pink slips and looming budget
deficits only
promise worse to come.  yet in washington, congress
seems unaware
of the problems at home.  they're talking about
cutting taxes and
cutting budgets -- not about how to keep the schools
and essential
services going.


the final vote on these budget cuts will come in just
a few days, and
we're leading a campaign to bring focus to who is
getting hurt --
especially to the cuts that will hurt our kids and
fail our schools.


please join us and sign a petition to congress, asking
key
congressional leaders to lead the fight against tax
and budget cuts,
and to save education and other basic services from
drastic cuts.
just go to:


  http://www.moveon.org/saveschools/


with this petition, we're also collecting personal
stories about the
impact budget cuts have already had on schools in your
area.  tell
congress about teachers who have been fired, about
schools closed,
about the impact on your own children or
grandchildren.  instead of
proposing a plan to support the states and our schools
during this
difficult time, the bush administration is cutting
back billions in
federal support, just when it's most needed.  we've
got to expose
the real-world pain of these cuts.


we'll deliver the petitions and the stories to key
leaders in
congress who have the power to block this dangerous
tax bill.


help us highlight what's at stake at


  http://www.moveon.org/saveschools/


this petition is part of a seven day countdown
campaign, called the
"countdown to budget disaster", leading up to the
final vote.


in the past, the administration has succeeded in
framing budget
negotiations in terms of the size of a tax cut.  of
course, this a
continuation of the right-wing strategy of forcing
historic program
cuts by driving the u.s. budget into deep deficit.
this ideological
maneuver may be good political strategy, but it's
terrible policy.
it's time to fight back.


critiques based on sound economic policy have largely
fallen on deaf
ears.  even alan greenspan objects to tax cuts, yet
congress continues
to argue over the size of cuts.  we have ignored the
vast pain that
will result from a crippled federal government.  this
pain is already
beginning to bubble up from across the nation.  it's
time to connect
the dots.  it's time to focus on the pain, and to lay
responsibility
for this pain on bush and the right-wing ideologues.


our campaign will be a daily drumbeat, in the midst of
congressional
debate on the budget.  each day will focus on a
different kind of
pain, and highlight who is gaining by these cuts and
how.  we will
lay bare the costs of blind ideology -- to our
children, to our
elders and to ourselves.


thank you for your support.


sincerely,


-wes boyd
moveon.org
may 6th, 2003


p.s.  i've attached senator jeffords may 3 radio
address on the budget
cuts below.  he summarizes the situation very well.
_____


saturday, may 3, 2003
senator jim jeffords delivers the
weekly democratic radio address


hello, this is senator jim jeffords of vermont.


two years ago this month i made my decision to leave
the republican
party and become an independent.   one reason i made
that change was
that i felt the republican party that i knew, and grew
up with, had
changed its priorities dramatically.  those changed
priorities were
best
exemplified by president bush's insistence on a budget
that
short-changed so many of our national needs: education
and special
education; health care and prescription drugs for our
elderly,
environmental protection; and, importantly, deficit
reduction.


it is now two years later, and it seems that we're
having the same
debate again.  the president is again proposing a
budget that does not
adequately fund america's needs and includes new tax
breaks that are
likely to force disastrous cuts in urgent national
programs, and create
horrendous future deficits.  and again, those who are
expressing their
reservations are being vilified for taking stands of
conscience.  this
happened in 2001 when i made my decision to leave the
republican party,
and it is sad for me to watch it happen again.  when
did standing on
principle, speaking your conscience and representing
your constituents
become unacceptable in certain republican circles?


when he was pushing for the first tax cut, president
bush said that we
could do it all, we could afford a tax cut, make
investments in our
national priorities, and still have money left over to
pay down the
debt.  time has proven those words wrong, and we have
massive job
losses
and a soaring deficit to show for it.  after the
president's proposal
was reduced, i supported the 2001 tax cut.   that was
a mistake, one i
will not make again.


now, those needs i spoke of two years ago have become
even more
pressing, and we face the new challenges of protecting
america and
fighting a war against terror.  president bush has
said that his plan
is
a, "jobs growth package."  but the only thing
guaranteed to grow is the
federal budget deficit, something republicans used to
care about, and i
still do.  we will be paying for these tax cuts with
borrowed funds,
money borrowed from our children and grandchildren who
will be forced
to
foot the bill.  and these deficits will explode just
as the baby boom
generation begins to retire, further endangering the
health of social
security and medicare, both of which are so critically
important to our
seniors.


perhaps more importantly, the president's plan doesn't
benefit the
people who need it most.  in my home state of vermont,
2,200 people
have
lost their jobs.  many who are lucky enough to have
jobs are just
barely
scraping by.  what will this plan do for them?  well,
two-thirds of
vermont taxpayers will get a tax cut of less than
$100.  yet, someone
who makes a million dollars a year will get a tax cut
of $90,000.


this fervor for tax breaks at the expense of all else
demonstrates that
there are some who see tax cuts not as a policy, but
as a theology.
their belief that tax cuts will solve any problem is
uncompromising,
unyielding, and, sadly, undeterred by past experience.
our goal should
not be a tax cut for the sake of a tax cut, especially
one that gives
most of its benefits to a very few people.  our goal
should be a policy
that puts americans back to work, gets our economy
growing and keeps us
on the right track for future generations.


what should we do to boost our ailing economy and help
those americans
most in need?  we should start by extending
unemployment insurance
benefits, currently scheduled to expire at the end of
may.  more than
100,000 additional jobs were lost in march, and the
overall number of
jobs fell to a 40-month low.  we should help the
states, which are
facing the worst budget crisis in 50 years.   to close
budget deficits,
some states are cutting back school days, eliminating
effective early
education programs and eliminating health insurance
coverage for our
neediest families.  we should support programs that
encourage job
creation, like boosting federal spending to improve
our nation's
highway
system, money we are going to have to spend someday
anyway.  according
to the u.s. department of transportation, 47,000 jobs
are created for
every billion dollars spent on our highways and
bridges.


that is the approach i support.  millions of americans
need help.  yet,
the president insists on a tax cut that hurts those
who need help most,
and helps those who need it least.  in vermont we take
care of our own,
and as a nation we should do the same.


this is jim jeffords, independent senator of vermont,
thanks for
listening.

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http://freshair.npr.org


i heard sarah waters on fresh air today talking about her novels and =
tipping the velvet.  the television version of this novel is supposed to =
be broadcast in america memorial day weekend on bbc america.  =
interesting stuff.


peace,
jen


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