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date:         tue, 8 jul 2003 07:55:12 edt
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ok so i obviously haven't been reading the digests lately:


> jennifer baumgartner is an amy-ex.
>
did they break up?? when was this? where was i?


2 degrees:
i'm buddies with barbara kessler and she's opened for the ig :) i've also met
them twice - does that count?
;) lisa


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date:         tue, 8 jul 2003 13:02:37 +0000
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oh you have to tell us that story!


tom m.


"i will climb the ridge at daybreak,
i will kiss the sky at noon,
raise my yearning voice at midnight
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>don saliers, father of emily, once used the bathroom
>at my house.
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date:         tue, 8 jul 2003 09:26:54 -0500
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okay, here's mine.


i worked at treasure island casino for three years under david.
david, involved with hte, invited amy & emily out to treasure island for one
of the hte shows.  they then showed the footage at the concert.


so, two degrees here.


i could go another route.


i have been a michelle malone fan for years.  i go to all of her shows here
in mn.  she recognizes me at said shows and makes a point to say hi.
michelle and amy have obvious connections.


yeah!
mi rinda


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date:         tue, 8 jul 2003 09:31:35 -0500
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so, i think it would be interesting to see how many of us out there have
actually not gotten the chance to meet our girls.  i have been more than
fortunate on that regards.  i have been at an intimate concert where we got
to talk for quite a while.  plus i have met them after shows 6 times.  once
amy made a point of coming over and talking to us.  she noticed us in the
crowd because my sister's shirt matched her shirt (very coincidental) and
she wanted to say how cool she thought that was.  so, who hasn't got to meet
amy or emily?  and if you haven't, did you try and not succeed or have you
never tried?

i've also met them twice - does that count?
;) lisa


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date:         tue, 8 jul 2003 18:36:52 +0100
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i went to a restaurant (and sat in a bitch & animal concert) with the sister
of "bitch". bitch and animal record under righteous babe records, owned by
ani difranco. ani difranco is a friend of amy ray.


john.


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subject: six degrees of ig

> okay people....what exactly are we doing? i never saw six degrees under,
> never heard of
> doing this game with kevin bacon.......so what
> am i supposed to do here?
>
> barb
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it's been fun reading all the replies to this thread so i thought i'd try to take a different spin and try to make the connection to ig through kevin bacon (who, of course, is the center of universe) and try to keep to the original rules of the six degrees game (making the connections through movies).


here's what i came up with:


my cousin bob played football for the green bay packers with brett favre
brett favre appeared in there's something about mary with keith david
keith david appeared in novocaine with kevin bacon
kevin bacon appeared in hollow man with pablo espinosa
pablo espinosa appeared in boys on the side with ig


there ya go...


deb


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date:         tue, 8 jul 2003 14:05:34 -0500
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well, i don't know anyone with any connections
to ig or any celebrity and so are there any ideas for a game that we all
can play...suffice
it to say six degrees of ig is good if you are active in music in some
way...most people like myself aren't. sorry wish i could play.


barb


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date:         tue, 8 jul 2003 13:09:34 -0600
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ooh, i can do kevin bacon too:


i'm in the cu sociology dept with prof. patti adler, kyra sedgwick's
sister
kyra is married to kevin
kevin was in apollo 13 with tom hanks
tom hanks was in philadelphia
ig was on the soundtrack


soundtrack connection is kinda lame, i know but i didn't think it would be
right to steal deb's pablo espinosa connection...  :)


g.


p.s. ig were on that womanfest episode of ellen.  can anyone do ellen?


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quoting garian <vigil@ucsu.colorado.edu>:
> can anyone do ellen?


i haven't, but i'll volunteer to try!  ;)


(sorry, it had to be said)


anna


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you probably do have a connection somewhere you just don't know about.
that was the idea in six degrees of separation - that everybody in america
can be connected through six steps or less, so that if you had a letter
you wanted to get to someone, you send it to the person you think of who's
most likely to be able to get it to them or to know someone else who can,
and they send it on, and then that other person sends it on too, etc,
until it gets to its destination.


i don't know if six is the true number, though. at the very least,
barbara, you know us all. whoever made that cryptic comment about not
having paid for shows in four years, that's your connection. :)


on tue, 8 jul 2003, barbara bordner wrote:


> well, i don't know anyone with any connections
> to ig or any celebrity and so are there any ideas for a game that we all
> can play...suffice
> it to say six degrees of ig is good if you are active in music in some
> way...most people like myself aren't. sorry wish i could play.
>
> barb
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> stop the war on iraqi people! finding a peaceful solution does not
> involve doing nothing.
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> www.notinourname.net
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ok, aside from having met ig in person many times, let me try a few.


when i lived with my mom for a short time, i worked at a branch of borders books.


rose polenzani worked at the same borders a few years before i did.


and rose polenzani... well, y'all know!  :)


another one:


an old friend of mine went to emory


she worked for don saliers for a short time


don saliers is.... ;)


this is fuuuun!


xoxoxo


karen :-)


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i have a few...


my chiropractor knows a family who's friends with ig (and that's way over
here in washington, for whoever wondered if it'd be easier to get a
connection if you were closer to the atlanta area)


i had a friend betsy who moved to georgia and met one of amy's sisters who
(duh) knows amy


my lit prof's partner is in the music business in so cal and so she and
amy always get together to talk shop when amy's in town


one of the res life staff at my school is friends with catie curtis and
you can take it from there


-sam


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i have 2:


1) i graduated from barnard. amy richards, the co-author of manifesta, graduated from barnard (and i met her when she came to speak) and obviously knows jennifer baumgartner. jennifer is apparently an amy-ex.


2) my minister at home is a favorite former student/friend of emily's dad.


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i have 2 pairs of front side orchestra tickets available for the 8/18 ig =
concert at wolf trap in virginia - they are $78/pair.  please let me =
know if you are interested.=20


laura


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if you are the one who originally, and generously made this offer to
"the list"
before going to the bbs please contact
me about the status of my request.
thankyou!


peace
barb


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i cheated via the kevin bacon oracle:


http://oracleofbacon.org/cgi-bin/oracle/movielinks?firstname=kevin+bacon&game=1&secondname=amy+ray


but rose p crashed at my apartment once when she was playing a show in
houston where i field-repped for her.  she's such a nice person.  so
there's that degree.


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hey, i'm such a lurker anymore, but oh well, here's a post.


a friend from college moved down to atlanta and got a job at a guitar store,
and she's been amy's checkout person, and she was kinda assigned to be amy's
specific "help-person" when she'd come into the store.  but this was years
ago now.  also, i remember emmilie saying she was at a club and emily kept
staring at her, though she was a little freaked out by that one.  i guess
emily thought she was hot or something :)


i've also hung out with a bit and talked to rose polenzani too, if we can
count that one.


ah well :)


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hey,


  growing up in atlanta and being about the same age as them, i have lots of
different connections to ig; but here's a nice one i didn't even know i had
until after the fact:


  david kehrer was a childhood friend of mine going all the way back to middle
school (one of the first white kids i was ever friends with).  he, his sister
heather and i used to shoot baskets and play volleyball ("no bus-stops!") in the
parking lot every day after school while we waited for our parents to come and
pick us up after work.
  after high school, i knew from other classmates that he worked in the music
industry; but i hadn't seen or heard anything of him for years until i read
about his death in the papers a few years back.  i don't know what his specific
connection to ig was (probably through russell carter, i imagine), but shaming
of the sun is dedicated to him.


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hi everyone,


i have two questions:


is anyone going to ani in central park next week?  i realized that i ran out
of time to talk anyone into going with me, and i'm going solo unless anyone
wants to meet up?


same idea for next month's ig in central park - list meet??  i do have an
extra ticket for this one if anyone is interested.


thanks!


jen


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david kehrer was a producer for 1200 curfews


>>from: indigo girls mailing list [mailto:indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org]
>>on behalf of ron mcbay
sent: wednesday, july 09, 2003 11:22 am
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hey,


  growing up in atlanta and being about the same age as them, i have lots of
different connections to ig; but here's a nice one i didn't even know i had
until after the fact:


  david kehrer was a childhood friend of mine going all the way back to
middle
school (one of the first white kids i was ever friends with).  he, his
sister
heather and i used to shoot baskets and play volleyball ("no bus-stops!") in
the
parking lot every day after school while we waited for our parents to come
and
pick us up after work.
  after high school, i knew from other classmates that he worked in the
music
industry; but i hadn't seen or heard anything of him for years until i read
about his death in the papers a few years back.  i don't know what his
specific
connection to ig was (probably through russell carter, i imagine), but
shaming
of the sun is dedicated to him.


ron<<


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> i've also hung out with a bit and talked to rose polenzani too, if we can
> count that one.


of course we do. rose's an invaluable resource in this game. also,
extremely nice. :)


-andrea


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since i don't think there's been anything on them on the list yet...for those
of you who have not heard (or heard of) the band sugarland i wanted to put out
a very strong recommendation to check these guys out!  they're an up-and-coming
local atlanta band that is just starting to break through.  jennifer nettles is
lead vocals, kristen hall is on guitar/vocals, simone simonton (lift) is on
drums and vocals, as well as kristian bush and bret hartley on guitars and
vocals.  you can check them out on their home page www.sugarlandmusic.com!
they have a retro-country thing going on that's a lot of fun (and i'm not a
huge fan of country music).  also, if you're in the atlanta area they play at
eddie's attic a few times a month and i believe they're in charleston and some
other place in south carolina this weekend.  definitely check them out if you
can!!!


laura


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you can check for up to the minute information on sugarland at <a href="www.maryfferrara.com/forum">
www.maryfferrara.com/forum</a>  this is a kristen hall message board that has all their tour
dates, pictures, press, etc!  i know them well and have flown from ny to see them
a number of times!


<a href="http://www.maryfferrara.com/">kristen hall chords & lyrics by mary f. ferrara</a>


<a href="http://www.maryfferrara.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?fid=1">kristen hall discussion board</a>


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someone on this list recommended the band eastmountainsouth a few months =
back.  on that recommendation i just bought their new cd.  it is an =
awesome recording and they really do have an ig sound of sorts.  thanks =
for the heads up.


maggie

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>someone on this list recommended the band eastmountainsouth a few months =
>back.  on that recommendation i just bought their new cd.  it is an =
>awesome recording and they really do have an ig sound of sorts.  thanks =
>for the heads up.


i just ordered their cd from amazon based on the list recommendation
- can't wait to get it!  i'll also check out sugarland, they sound
great.


if anybody wants some beautiful, sunny, 70s-esque sounds and
excellent harmonies, be sure to check out the thorns (matthew sweet,
shawn mullins and pete droge).  they're amazing (and they share the
same manager as ig!).


jason


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anyone else going to the biltmore estate show in
asheville, nc aug. 22?


tony


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maggie@indy.rr.com writes:
>someone on this list recommended the band eastmountainsouth a few months
>back.  on that recommendation i just bought their new cd.  it is an
>awesome recording and they really do have an ig sound of sorts.  thanks
>for the heads up.


i bought it too - and i love it! thanks for the recomendation!


kellie ;)


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that was me that did the recommending....you're welcome and i am so glad all
of you are enjoying them!  i know they were slated to open for tracy chapman
for part of her tour, plus they are doing some touring on their own.  in
fact, they are in atlanta on july 26th (check that date!) at the red light
cafe.  that's a tiny venue where you really can feel the impact of their
music.
enjoy!
cheri

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someone on this list recommended the band eastmountainsouth a few months
back.  on that recommendation i just bought their new cd.  it is an awesome
recording and they really do have an ig sound of sorts.  thanks for the
heads up.


maggie


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i got a copy, too.  not all that impressed off the bat, but haven't reached
any conclusions.  unfortunately, i missed the tracy chapman show where they
were opening (usually the best way to evaluate a band, imo).


lauren
> maggie@indy.rr.com writes:
> >someone on this list recommended the band eastmountainsouth a few months
> >back.  on that recommendation i just bought their new cd.  it is an
> >awesome recording and they really do have an ig sound of sorts.  thanks
> >for the heads up.
>
> i bought it too - and i love it! thanks for the recomendation!
>
> kellie ;)


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berkeley fleet to run on bio-fuel
by t.t. nhu
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berkeley, often in the vanguard for far-out ideas, could be the first city in the united states to switch many of its vehicles to a vegetable oil-based fuel that is ecologically safer and smells like . . . french fries.
since last month, 200 of the city's diesel vehicles -- garbage trucks, fire engines and school buses -- have been powered by a bio-diesel fuel called b100.
''any car that runs on diesel can do it, '' said ed silva, the city's senior equipment supervisor. the alternative fuel can be used on any diesel engine with minor or no modifications, and the gas mileage is about the same as regular fossil fuels.
because b100 is free of petroleum products and additives, the emissions are generally cleaner, although some studies indicate bio-diesel increases nitrogen oxide emissions. the vegetable fuel is more expensive than regular diesel.
ann mesnikoff, a sierra club spokeswoman, told the associated press last year there were mixed reports on whether using bio-diesel results in significant air quality improvements, and that it is questionable whether the production of such biological fuels consumes more energy than it conserves.
but berkeley officials predict that they will be at the forefront of a movement to bio-diesel fuel.
''what happens in berkeley becomes the conventional wisdom in three or four years,'' said mayor tom bates. ''we were the first to ban smoking in public places, do recycling, and put cuts in curbs for wheelchairs, and even if we have to spend a little extra for bio-diesel, we think it's worth it because of the environment.''
bio-diesel can be made from just about any plant oil and animal fat -- soybean, canola, mustard seed oil or even some kitchen waste. the recycled cooking oil is collected from restaurants by rendering companies that specialize in waste grease, said randall von wedel, a medical biochemist and bio-diesel consultant for the city.
the glycerin is removed from the oil and fat to create the b100 fuel used by berkeley.
randall said the fuel emits about half the greenhouse pollutants of regular diesel, and according to the u.s department of energy's national renewable energy laboratory, is 94 percent less likely to cause cancer.
dave williamson of the berkeley ecology center, a pioneer in curbside recycling in 1973, was an early advocate for the city to make the switch. as operations manager for the center, williamson changed the vehicles to bio-diesel two years ago.
it wasn't a hard sell in berkeley, where the local delivery service is pedal express and sales of hybrid cars are the highest in the nation, according to toyota.
at the end of 2002, with the support of bates and six resident commissions, the city council voted unanimously to convert the fleet to biodiesel.
in january, with little fanfare, the city's fleet of 200 diesel vehicles began using b20, a mixture of 20 percent bio-diesel and 80 percent conventional petroleum-based diesel fuel. in june, the diesel fleet switched to b100 -- 100 percent bio-diesel fuel.
the city has 500 vehicles that use mostly cleaner fuels, including all-electric, hybrids, compressed natural gas and b20. it is also exploring fuel additives to enhance performance. because police cars are non-diesel and use unleaded fuel, that fleet will not be converted to bio-diesel.
in addition to significantly lowering emissions, bio-diesel is safer to transport, store and use, its advocates say. while diesel costs $1.68 a gallon, bio-diesel costs $2.15, but bio-diesel fuel prices don't fluctuate much, said pat o'keefe of golden gate petroleum, the distributor.
''bio-diesel is more expensive,'' said von wedel, ''but the health benefits are enormous. carbon monoxide emission is reduced by 55 percent, smoke by 65 percent, and there is no sulfur, which produces acid rain.''
a report by the engine manufacturers association, however, noted that bio-diesel fuels emit more nitrogen oxides, a component of air pollution, and may present some storage problems because they are less stable with respect to oxidation.
none of the bio-diesel advocates believes that the fuel will resolve long-term energy problems. ''bio-diesel isn't the end-all,'' bates said. ''we're looking for even cleaner alternatives such as additives or fuel cells -- but that's down the road a ways.''
although fewer than 1 percent of all cars in the united states run on diesel fuel, bio-diesel production in the country is on the rise. commercial sales have leaped from 500,000 gallons in 1999 to 15 million in 2002.
city officials believe berkeley is the first city in the nation to change from fossil fuel to alternative energy. two cities in florida have expressed an interest in the conversion.
celebrities are beginning to use bio-diesel vehicles. woody harrelson drives one at his place in maui. the indigo girls and the lollapalooza concert tours used bio-diesel buses on their tours this year.
those who drive and repair bio-diesel fuel vehicles in berkeley are pleased with the results. performance has not changed but the aroma has.
said mechanic bruce mazur with a smile: ''it burns clean and smells like french fries.''


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in a message dated 7/10/03 9:37:53 pm eastern daylight time,
dweiden@ix.netcom.com writes:


> berkeley, often in the vanguard for far-out ideas, could be the first city
> in the united states to switch many of its vehicles to a vegetable oil-based
> fuel that is ecologically safer and smells like . . . french fries.
>
>


as if i don't have enough things trying to sabotage me when i am on atkins!


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26 september 2003:  ig in pasadena, california.


<a href=3d"http://www.indigogirls.com/tour">http://www.indigogirls.com/tour<=
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:-) karen


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does anybody have an mp3 of them i could listen to
before buying?  not that i don't trust the
recommendations, i'm just on a one cd a month budget
and want to decide how soon i want this one!


:-)carrie
--- c carter <ccigfan@mindspring.com> wrote:
> that was me that did the recommending....you're
> welcome and i am so glad all
> of you are enjoying them!  i know they were slated
> to open for tracy chapman
> for part of her tour, plus they are doing some
> touring on their own.  in
> fact, they are in atlanta on july 26th (check that
> date!) at the red light
> cafe.  that's a tiny venue where you really can feel
> the impact of their
> music.
> enjoy!
> cheri
>
>
> ----- original message -----
> from: "maggie wilson" <maggie@indy.rr.com>
> to: <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
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> subject: nigc - eastmountainsouth
>
>
> someone on this list recommended the band
> eastmountainsouth a few months
> back.  on that recommendation i just bought their
> new cd.  it is an awesome
> recording and they really do have an ig sound of
> sorts.  thanks for the
> heads up.
>
> maggie
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you can hear snippets of songs from their cd at amazon.com


maggie


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> does anybody have an mp3 of them i could listen to
> before buying?  not that i don't trust the
> recommendations, i'm just on a one cd a month budget
> and want to decide how soon i want this one!
>
> :-)carrie
> --- c carter <ccigfan@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > that was me that did the recommending....you're
> > welcome and i am so glad all
> > of you are enjoying them!  i know they were slated
> > to open for tracy chapman
> > for part of her tour, plus they are doing some
> > touring on their own.  in
> > fact, they are in atlanta on july 26th (check that
> > date!) at the red light
> > cafe.  that's a tiny venue where you really can feel
> > the impact of their
> > music.
> > enjoy!
> > cheri
> >
> >
> > ----- original message -----
> > from: "maggie wilson" <maggie@indy.rr.com>
> > to: <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
> > sent: wednesday, july 09, 2003 9:09 pm
> > subject: nigc - eastmountainsouth
> >
> >
> > someone on this list recommended the band
> > eastmountainsouth a few months
> > back.  on that recommendation i just bought their
> > new cd.  it is an awesome
> > recording and they really do have an ig sound of
> > sorts.  thanks for the
> > heads up.
> >
> > maggie
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they also sound like dar williams some.....lucy kaplamsky......pretty =
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you can also go to their website - www.eastmountainsouth.com - and
hear at least three songs there on the main page (you may need flash
installed).


jason


>you can hear snippets of songs from their cd at amazon.com
>
>maggie
>
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>
>
>>  does anybody have an mp3 of them i could listen to
>  > before buying?  not that i don't trust the
>>  recommendations, i'm just on a one cd a month budget
>  > and want to decide how soon i want this one!


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'allo sexies!


i have two ig videos i'm looking to unload, (1) ig: live at fillmore, denver, november 20, 1999 and the (2) jesus christ superstar: a resurrection production. both are in great condition and both are fabulous videos. (remember we like videos cause they don't start skipping with age). will go to best offer. please email me personally for details/ negotiation.


i apologize for (potentially) pestering? but these two dandy videos need a home and you know your ig collection so wants to grow! must return to cleaning my room <looks around with fright>.


i love you all,


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