lifeblood: listlogs: 2003-09a


=========================================================================
date:         mon, 1 sep 2003 14:31:12 edt
reply-to:     indigotraveller@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         indigotraveller@aol.com
subject:      ticketmaster to sell prime seats to the highest bidder
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
content-transfer-encoding:  7bit


i thought this would be of general interest.


lauren


ticketmaster auction will let highest bidder set concert prices


september 1, 2003
by chris nelson


three years after ticketmaster introduced ticketfast, its
online print-at-home ticketing service, consumers have so
embraced it that the company now sells a half-million
home-printed tickets for sporting and entertainment events
each month in north america. where ticketfast is available,
30 percent of tickets sold are now printed at home, said
the company, which is by far the nation's largest ticket
agency.


but consumers - many of whom have complained for years
about climbing ticket prices and ticketmaster service
charges - may be less eager for the next phase of
ticketmaster's internet evolution.


late this year the company plans to begin auctioning the
best seats to concerts through ticketmaster.com.


with no official price ceiling on such tickets,
ticketmaster will be able to compete with brokers and
scalpers for the highest price a market will bear.


"the tickets are worth what they're worth," said john
pleasants, ticketmaster's president and chief executive.
"if somebody wants to charge $50 for a ticket, but it's
actually worth $1,000 on ebay, the ticket's worth $1,000. i
think more and more, our clients - the promoters, the
clients in the buildings and the bands themselves - are
saying to themselves, 'maybe that money should be coming to
me instead of bob the broker.' "


ebay has long been a busy marketplace for tickets auctioned
by brokers and others. late last week, for example, it had
more than 22,000 listings for ticket sales.


venue operators, promoters and performers will decide
whether to participate in the ticketmaster auctions, mr.
pleasants said. in june, the company tested the system for
the lennox lewis-vitali klitschko boxing match at the
staples center in los angeles. the minimum bid for the
package - two ringside seats, a boxing glove autographed by
mr. lewis and access to workouts, among other features -
was $3,000, and the top payer spent about $7,000, a staples
center spokesman, michael roth, said.


once the auction service goes live, ticketmaster will
receive flat fees or a percentage of the winning bids, to
be decided with the operators of each event, said sean
moriarty, ticketmaster's executive vice president for
products, technology and operations.


along with home printing, auctions are central to "a new
age of the ticket," mr. pleasants said. in the second
quarter of this year, tickets sold online, with or without
home printing, represented 51 percent of ticketmaster's
ticket sales. the rest were sold by phone or at walk-up
locations.


ticket forwarding allows season ticket holders for several
sports teams (including the new york knicks, rangers and
giants) to e-mail extra tickets to other users, with
ticketmaster charging the sender $1.95 per transaction.


ticketexchange provides a forum for season ticket holders
to auction tickets online. the seller and buyer pay
ticketmaster 5 percent to 10 percent of the resale price, a
fee the company splits with the team.


in the case of the ticketfast home-printing service, buyers
pay an additional $1.75 to $2.50 per order, with the fee
set by the event operator. home printing has won converts
among people who want tickets immediately, instead of
receiving them by mail or a delivery service or having to
stand in line at a will-call window.


one satisfied customer is brian resnik, 29, of tampa, fla.,
who says the home-printing fee is a bargain compared with
the $19.50 that ticketmaster charges for two-day shipping
through united parcel service.


but some other users, who praised the convenience of home
printing, objected to being charged an extra fee.


"it's kind of mind-boggling to me," said joe guckin, 41, of
philadelphia, who used ticketfast to buy tickets for a
baltimore orioles home game last season. "you're printing
up the ticket, on your printer at home, your paper, your
ink, etc. - and you have to pay for that?"


the company replies that home-printing consumers are
helping to pay for the technology that makes the service
possible.


ticketmaster has spent $15 million to $20 million to outfit
almost 700 stadiums, arenas, theaters and concert halls in
this country and canada with bar-code scanners that read
and authenticate the tickets and computers that capture
information such as which seats are filled and which doors
have the most traffic, mr. moriarty said. in 2003, the
company has sold 400,000 to 600,000 ticketfast tickets each
month.


some ticketfast customers, like diane derooy, 52, of
seattle, complain that ticketmaster assesses a lot of fees
even before levying the print-at-home charge. a ticket to
see crosby, stills & nash on friday at the pnc bank arts
center in holmdel, n.j., for example, carries $13.80 in
venue, processing and convenience fees, plus a $2.50 charge
for the home-printing option. without the fees, a ticket
costs $30.25 to $70.25.


many of those customers are skeptical about ticketmaster's
plans to auction the best seats to concerts.


"the band's biggest fans ought to have the best seats, not
the band's richest fans," said tim todd, 47, of kansas
city, mo., who used ticketfast recently to buy tickets for
a concert by the rock group phish. ticketmaster would be,
in essence, official scalpers, mr. guckin said, voicing a
sentiment expressed by some other customers.


industry watchers agree that auctions will affect all
concertgoers. prime seats are undervalued in the
marketplace, said alan b. krueger, a professor at princeton
university's woodrow wilson school of public and
international affairs, who has studied ticket prices. he
predicts that once auctions begin revealing a ticket's
market value, prices as a whole will climb faster.


gary bongiovanni, editor of the concert industry trade
magazine, pollstar, predicted that all ticket prices would
become more fluid. after a promoter assesses initial sales
from an auction, remaining ticket prices could be raised or
lowered to meet goals.


the notion of ticket auctions is annoying, mr. resnik said,
but he is resigned to them.


"i guess the capitalist inside me would say, 'hey, if
that's what they can get for tickets, i guess that's just
something i can't afford, like a yacht and a learjet.' "


http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/01/technology/01tick.html?ex=1063420405&e
i=1&en=5d46ad0bf8919942


--
do not quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 1 sep 2003 21:05:18 -0500
reply-to:     barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
subject:      re: ticketmaster to sell prime seats to the highest bidder
x-to:         indigotraveller@aol.com
in-reply-to:  indigotraveller@aol.com's message of mon, 1 sep 2003 14:31:12 edt
content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
mime-version: 1.0 (webtv)


boy it looks like ticketbastard is really about to live upto the name
we've given it on this list....i
hope enough artists can boycott these thieves!!
i know ig would if they found out.


i don't know if ticketbastard starts charging $1,000 on ebay for a $50
ticket because $1000 is the bid,and  making auctions the only way people
can go to shows than they deserve failure  because it would keep any
sane person away from concert-going.  i'm
sorry guys but this just really really mad!!!!!!


what do they want to do to music and the concert-going experience? bring
it all back to the good old days of the cathedral court and country side
where the best entertainment  was meant only for the very rich!!!


ticketbastard is really a bunch of greedy money-sucking scumbags.


stop the war on iraqi people! finding a peaceful solution does not
involve doing nothing.


ffi  www.internationalanswer.org  and
www.notinourname.net


--
do not quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 1 sep 2003 22:39:17 -0400
reply-to:     "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
subject:      re: ticketmaster to sell prime seats to the highest bidder
in-reply-to:  <27687-3f53fade-8147@storefull-2232.public.lawson.webtv.net>
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable


>>i don't know if ticketbastard starts charging $1,000 on ebay for a $50
ticket because $1000 is the bid,and  making auctions the only way people =
can
go to shows than they deserve failure  because it would keep any sane =
person
away from concert-going.<<


well, clearly not, because someone is happy to pay that $1,000.=20


actually, if they go to this system nothing will change for you or i.
instead of a scalper buying the primos seats and selling them on for =
muchos
dineros, ticketmaster will cut out the middle man, as it were, and =
hopefully
share that extra profits with the artists - who are the ones who truly
deserve it after all.


>>"the band's biggest fans ought to have the best seats, not the band's
richest fans," said tim todd, 47, of kansas city, mo.<<


and how exactly are they going to know who's the biggest fans?


"no, *i'm* the indigo girls' biggest fan. i have *both* of their =
albums!"


really, it's basic supply and demand. it's a sucky system, because it's
always going to piss someone off. but it only needs a quick look at
ticketsnow.com to see that tickemaster are only planning to beat the
scalpers at their own game.


on the other hand, go to a house concert (just like our series) and =
you're
guaranteed a great seat to a great show at a great price!!


neil
@}--,--'--


coming soon to our house concert series in media, pa
september 20th: rachael davis
www.sixthst.com


--
do not quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 1 sep 2003 23:47:19 edt
reply-to:     indigotraveller@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         indigotraveller@aol.com
subject:      re: ticketmaster to sell prime seats to the highest bidder
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
content-transfer-encoding:  7bit


neil,


i agree with your point, to some extent, but at least if the prime seats go
out on the system, i, as a fan, have a chance to compete against the brokers.
(at least i did before the evil lottery, but that's another discussion.)


lauren


> >>i don't know if ticketbastard starts charging $1,000 on ebay for a $50
> ticket because $1000 is the bid,and  making auctions the only way people can
> go to shows than they deserve failure  because it would keep any sane person
> away from concert-going.<<
>
> well, clearly not, because someone is happy to pay that $1,000.
>
> actually, if they go to this system nothing will change for you or i.
> instead of a scalper buying the primos seats and selling them on for muchos
> dineros, ticketmaster will cut out the middle man, as it were, and hopefully
> share that extra profits with the artists - who are the ones who truly
> deserve it after all.
>
> >>"the band's biggest fans ought to have the best seats, not the band's
> richest fans," said tim todd, 47, of kansas city, mo.<<
>
> and how exactly are they going to know who's the biggest fans?
>
> "no, *i'm* the indigo girls' biggest fan. i have *both* of their albums!"
>
> really, it's basic supply and demand. it's a sucky system, because it's
> always going to piss someone off. but it only needs a quick look at
> ticketsnow.com to see that tickemaster are only planning to beat the
> scalpers at their own game.
>
> on the other hand, go to a house concert (just like our series) and you're
> guaranteed a great seat to a great show at a great price!!
>
> neil
> @}--,--'--


--
do not quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 1 sep 2003 23:50:17 edt
reply-to:     jessicajantz@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         jessica jantz <jessicajantz@aol.com>
subject:      ticketmaster
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
content-transfer-encoding:  7bit


since scalping is illegal here in louisiana, would they be allowed to use
such a practice here?


--
do not quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 1 sep 2003 23:42:57 -0500
reply-to:     barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
subject:      re: ticketmaster
x-to:         jessicajantz@aol.com
in-reply-to:  jessica jantz <jessicajantz@aol.com>'s message of mon, 1 sep 2003
              23:50:17 edt
content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
mime-version: 1.0 (webtv)


<<since scalping is illegal here in louisiana,would they be allowed to
use such practice here?>>


it wouldn't be "ticket scalping" if the "scalping" comes from
ticketmaster because it's their ticket before you buy it. and they are
considered legitimate.


any joe schmoe can also  sell the tickets, but that doesn't make him
legit because he doesn't have the authority to scalp, he just does it
because there will always be somebody desperate enough to go the extra
buck for their favorite band.


ticketmaster getting down and dirty with the ticket scalpers at their
own game is just plain greedy, it's not like they don't have the
money....like i said before most of us are not <<happy>> to part with
$1000 for a $50 ticket.....it's just not worth it, and anyone who
wants to pay that much for one show?  i'd wonder about  that person's
priorities. even if i were rich.


barb


stop the war on iraqi people! finding a peaceful solution does not
involve doing nothing.


ffi  www.internationalanswer.org  and
www.notinourname.net


--
for information about the news-only version of this list send
this command to majordomo@smoe.org: info ig-news
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 2 sep 2003 07:57:08 -0400
reply-to:     jennifer <jencattin@comcast.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         jennifer <jencattin@comcast.net>
subject:      contacting amy
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
content-transfer-encoding:  quoted-printable


morning y'all,


does anyone have any thoughts about whether i've got a better chance of =
contacting amy through russell carter or daemon?


peace,
jen=20


--
for information about the news-only version of this list send
this command to majordomo@smoe.org: info ig-news
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 2 sep 2003 14:13:27 -0500
reply-to:     kxk24@scientist.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         kxk24@scientist.com
subject:      sister and 1-2-3
content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
mime-version: 1.0


i requested those at santa cruz and never heard them at the next 20 shows i went to. has anyone heard these recently?
--
__________________________________________________________
sign-up for your own personalized e-mail at mail.com
http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup


careerbuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. be smarter about your job search
http://corp.mail.com/careers


--
for information about the news-only version of this list send
this command to majordomo@smoe.org: info ig-news
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 2 sep 2003 14:24:37 -0500
reply-to:     barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
subject:      re: sister and 1-2-3
x-to:         kxk24@scientist.com
in-reply-to:  kxk24@scientist.com's message of tue, 2 sep 2003 14:13:27 -0500
content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
mime-version: 1.0 (webtv)


oh, i love 1-2-3,  and sister. but i don't thnk
they can honestly fulfill every request, it just
wouldn't be humanly possible.


barb


stop the war on iraqi people! finding a peaceful solution does not
involve doing nothing.


ffi  www.internationalanswer.org  and
www.notinourname.net


--
for information about the news-only version of this list send
this command to majordomo@smoe.org: info ig-news
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 3 sep 2003 08:26:10 -0400
reply-to:     "jennifer m." <shedyourskin23@hotmail.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         "jennifer m." <shedyourskin23@hotmail.com>
subject:      accessatlanta front page article
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/html


hey all--check out the front page article on the girls on today's accessatlanta (re: hall of fame induction). the print version comes out this week, so if you live here in the atlanta area too try and pick one up. i am sure there will be a write up there as well. cheers, jennifer
www.accessatlanta.com



"i think we've got to measure goodness by what we embrace, what we create and who we include."
"good friends are hard to find. especially in tall grass."

get msn 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls.

--
please do not send excessive amounts of quoted text and/or nigc,
long signatures, attachments or flames to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 3 sep 2003 08:42:48 -0400
reply-to:     michael reynolds <mike@uppity-disability.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         michael reynolds <mike@uppity-disability.net>
subject:      vcr alert for ga folks...
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed


from the access atlanta article


joining indigo girls as this year's inductees are country singer kenny
rogers, independent record label owner mike curb and producer alan walden.
performances are scheduled to include an acoustic set by indigo girls and
music by rogers, third day, nia, stevens and georgia music talent search
winner nicole crews.
the ceremony and performances will air live on gptv/channel 8 at 8:30 p.m.
-- phil kloer

so - as soon as i get my trade with bonster done- and if the show is worth
it - ummm. i have stuff to offer.


mike r.


--
please do not send excessive amounts of quoted text and/or nigc,
long signatures, attachments or flames to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 3 sep 2003 09:48:52 -0700
reply-to:     bonster <bonster@drizzle.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         bonster <bonster@drizzle.com>
subject:      nigc - jude hunter
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


please email me off list -- i don't have your new email addy.


sorry everyone!


-bon


--
please do not send excessive amounts of quoted text and/or nigc,
long signatures, attachments or flames to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 3 sep 2003 18:58:21 -0500
reply-to:     dweiden@ix.netcom.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         diane <dweiden@ix.netcom.com>
subject:      harmonic convergence
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
content-transfer-encoding: 8bit


harmonic convergence
on the eve of their induction into the georgia music
hall of fame, atlanta's indigo girls still go their
own way


by phil kloer
the atlanta journal-constitution

laura noel / staff
indigo girls amy ray (left) and emily saliers have
come a long way since meeting in elementary school in
decatur. a grammy award and four platinum albums
later, they still exist outside the musical
mainstream, oblivious to trends.


on a saturday night at summer's end, amanda voss
abandons a good cause for a good reason.


at an indigo girls concert at the arena at gwinnett
center, she's staffing a table for wand, a women's
political action group. she hands out pamphlets and
bumper stickers -- a common sight at indigo concerts,
where activist groups abound. but soon after the
performance starts, voss bails and heads into the
arena.


there, on a bare stage, amy ray is leaning somewhat
aggressively into her microphone stand, right foot
planted firmly forward, while emily saliers, on ray's
left, stands back a bit, bobbing her head to the
rhythm. their acoustic guitars chime in unison, and
their harmonies wrap around each other, intertwined
like roses on a trellis.


"gotta tend the earth if you want a rose," they sing,
on "hammer and a nail."


"it's really critical the way they use their fame and
celebrity in a positive way," says voss, a graduate
student at emory university. "they're able to educate
their whole audience."


most of the time, indigo girls fans don't have to
make voss's choice -- between political activism and
the music -- because with ray and saliers, the two are
as inextricably linked as their harmonies.


backstage in saliers' dressing room, the folk duo
appear to be nonchalant about their next big date --
sept. 13, when they'll be inducted into the georgia
music hall of fame, to join ray charles, the b-52's
and others.


"we'll just see what happens," shrugs saliers, who
turned 40 in july.


"we're just gonna play some songs," says ray, 39,
approaching blasť.


but don't buy the apparent lack of excitement, says
susan tanner, one of their best friends. "they're
funny like that," she says. "the truth is they're
tickled."


in a career that's marking roughly 20 years,
atlanta's indigo girls (there's no "the" in the name,
although even the new york times can't resist adding
one) have won a grammy award, and four of their seven
albums have gone platinum, selling more than 1 million
copies each. yet they exist almost in a parallel
universe to mainstream commercial music, ignored by
radio and mtv, defiantly untrendy, appealing to a
passionately committed core audience that has a large
lesbian component, but plenty of straights as well.


as feminist author susan faludi writes in the liner
notes for "retrospective," their greatest-hits album,
"emily and amy have navigated their own route to
musical significance in an era when the recording
industry prefers to pour its vast largesse on . . .
barely pubescent babes who measure their liberation by
the number of clothes they shed. they have resisted
instant celebrification and its instant obolescence."


that resistance appeals to their fans but has not
helped their record sales. their last three cds didn't
even go gold (500,000 sold), after their first four
went platinum.


"if i hear any of their songs on the radio, it's
'closer to fine' or something 10 or 12 years old,"
says atlanta fan dave slusher, a software engineer.
"it's frustrating, because i think 'become you' [the
title track of last year's cd] is one of the best
songs they've ever done."


"we do our thing," saliers says, "and we have a great
fan base, and they keep us going and we try to keep
the music fresh."


"i don't think having a big-selling album is really
important to them," says mike clark, co-owner of
atlanta's southern tracks recording, where the duo has
worked. "everybody likes to see big numbers, but they
don't compromise their integrity to get them."


one heart


ray and saliers, who've been friends since elementary
school, are partners in almost every sense (except
romantically).


"they pretty much have the same heart," says andrea
white, another longtime friend, who manages ray's
record label, daemon. each writes her own songs
individually and generally sings lead on her songs.
but in the studio or in concert, their harmonies and
the interplay of their instruments, which include
banjo and mandolin, are like one heart beating.


"they write about their own issues and what they're
going through," says their friend tanner. "it's such a
natural thing for them to create this way and bring it
to each other, and then create the harmonies and
finish out the song."


a common view is that ray is a little more political
and harder-edged (her huskier voice may help that
perception), while saliers' songs are more emotional
and personal, as her voice floats a little higher than
ray's.


"there's a sentimental side to emily," says slusher,
"and amy is a little angrier and a little rockier."


faludi calls this "cheap and easy dualism," but
tanner says the two are "a lot of times like night and
day. hopi [a nickname for ray, a big supporter of
native american causes] can be a lot more serious, and
emmy's always cutting jokes."


the two are serious about making music together --
nearly all of this year has been spent recording their
next album, which is due out early next year, or
touring. at the moment they're in los angeles, mixing
the still-untitled disc, and they'll fly back to
atlanta for just one day for the hall of fame
induction. although they both maintain bases here,
they're gone a lot.


when she's home, saliers still lives in decatur and
loves the sense of community there, she says. ray has
moved outside atlanta to a rural area, which she
doesn't want to talk about. "stalkers," she says, not
kidding.


for years, they both lived in the decatur area, where
they grew up and went to shamrock high school (now a
middle school). at shamrock, they would bring their
guitars and put on shows in ellis brown's english
class, some of their first public performances. ray
was popular, president of her class her sophomore and
junior years. saliers hated high school ("it was
cruel") and was in the chorus.


activism undimmed


both already had the seeds of the political awareness
that would help define them as adults and help bond
their fans to them.


"i was into the hippie era, drawing peace signs on
everything," recalls ray. "when you're 6 or 7 or 8,
who knows why you're relating to that? my parents were
conservative, but i was taught the idea of tithing
coming up through the methodist church. i picked up on
this idea that you give back to the community."


saliers' parents were as liberal as ray's were
conservative; her father studied with the famous
anti-war activist william sloane coffin at yale. "i
knew stuff was going on," saliers says. "it planted
the seeds. at a very young age, we wanted to marry
music with activism."


the results of that marriage now extend to groups
such as the national coalition to abolish the death
penalty, greenpeace, the national gay and lesbian task
force, choice usa and handgun control inc. -- just
some that have tables at their concerts, like the wand
table in gwinnett -- links on the indigos' web site or
plugs in the liner notes of their records. and they've
raised nearly $500,000 through benfit concerts for
honor the earth, a native american environmental
group.


although the current republican administration is
well-supported in public opinion polls, that doesn't
deter the indigos from ramping up their activism even
more.


"the polls are incongruous," says ray. "people say we
like bush but we hate what's going on with the
economy, we're worried about the middle east and iraq.

"it doesn't make sense," she continues. "you can't be
happy with your president and worried about all the
things that are going on. it's like someone telling me
they're pro-choice, pro-gay and pro-gun control but
they're gonna vote republican because of economics. at
the root of your problem, you're not seeing how social
values are connected with economic values.


"our activism is that we're going to try to get
people to vote. the biggest party is the party of
non-voters."


enriched partnership


with their success have come solo ventures. saliers
is co-owner of the decatur restaurant watershed,
acclaimed for the southern cooking of chef scott
peacock. ("i'm mostly the pr person and the moral
support for the restaurant," saliers explains. "i
don't really have a job there.") she's also co-writing
a book with her father, don, a professor at emory
university's candler school of theology, about their
common love of music.


ray started her own independent label, daemon
records, in 1989. headquartered in decatur, daemon has
released about 50 cds so far, spanning all sorts of
genres, from jazz to hip hop, with an emphais on
original songwriting. ray's 2001 solo album, "stag,"
was on daemon, and she's writing songs for a second
solo venture.


"we do our separate things so when we come together
we can still enjoy being indigo girls," says saliers.


"it gives you an outlet, helps keep your space your
space,and it always enriches the partnership," adds
ray.


back in 1987, when they were just another fledgling
atlanta group playing little five points bars, the
indigos appeared on a collection of local bands titled
"don't eat out of dented cans." slusher was a disc
jockey at georgia tech radio station wrek, found a
copy of it lying on the floor and played their track,
"walk away," making him perhaps the first dj to play
the duo's music.


a fan for 16 years now, he observes, "sometimes when
they're pulling apart is when they come together the best."


--
please do not send excessive amounts of quoted text and/or nigc,
long signatures, attachments or flames to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 4 sep 2003 00:23:53 edt
reply-to:     indigokat@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
comments:     rfc822 error: <w> incorrect or incomplete address field found and
              ignored.
from:         heidi smith <indigokat@aol.com>
subject:      nigc     michelle malone
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
content-transfer-encoding:  quoted-printable


hi folks,


the ramshead tavern is doing a survey to see if folks are intested in a=20
michelle malone show.  if you are then email them and let them know.  info i=
s below=20
and please send your yes votes to them not me!     :)

date: 9/3/03 7:46:30 pm eastern daylight time=20
from: <a href=3d"mailto:ramshead33@aol.com">ramshead33@aol.com</a>=20
to: <a href=3d"mailto:indigokat@aol.com">indigokat@aol.com</a>=20
sent from the internet (details)=20

this is a survey=a0 of show ideas:
would you like to see any of these=20
artists at the rams head ????
please just hit reply & tell us your votes !


<other artists snipped>


** michelle malone


--
all listserv commands should be sent to listserv@lists.netspace.org.
to unsubscribe issue the command: signoff indigo-girls
for help write to indigo-girls-request@lists.netspace.org.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 4 sep 2003 21:17:22 +0200
reply-to:     ines <ines@schneebergerbaeck.at>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         ines <ines@schneebergerbaeck.at>
subject:      re: sister and 1-2-3
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
content-transfer-encoding: 7bit


----- original message -----
from: <kxk24@scientist.com>


> i requested those at santa cruz and never heard them at the next 20 shows
i went to. has anyone heard these recently?


when they toured in germany last year i asked amy if she would play sister
the next day and she say no because it's a song she only plays with the
band.


ines


--
all listserv commands should be sent to listserv@lists.netspace.org.
to unsubscribe issue the command: signoff indigo-girls
for help write to indigo-girls-request@lists.netspace.org.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 5 sep 2003 12:10:13 -0500
reply-to:     kxk24@scientist.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         kxk24@scientist.com
subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 3 sep 2003 to 4 sep 2003 (#2003-267)
content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
mime-version: 1.0


does anyone know why they arent touring with band this time?
why did they play such a big venue like gwinnet without band?
there was more people at one chastain show last year than at gwinnett.
--
__________________________________________________________
sign-up for your own personalized e-mail at mail.com
http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup


careerbuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. be smarter about your job search
http://corp.mail.com/careers


--
please do not send long non-indigo girls-related forwards to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 5 sep 2003 13:21:05 -0400
reply-to:     victoria.heckler@ppfa.org
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         "<victoria heckler>" <victoria.heckler@ppfa.org>
subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 3 sep 2003 to 4 sep 2003 (#2003-267)
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"


sometimes ig do full-band tours (usually following the release of a new
album), sometimes they do acoustic duo tours (less costly and better suited
for tours with few days off between shows).  this summer's tour was an
"acoustic duo" tour.  my best guess is that they probably booked gwinnett
because they needed a relatively large capacity space for the show and were
too late in the game to book a smaller venue elsewhere in the atlanta area.
but venue size probably has little to do with it -- they've played some
pretty small venues with a full band before (they booked their tour last
september with the intent of doing a full-band tour and most of the venues
only held 1,000 or so people), and vice-versa.


-----original message-----
from: kxk24@scientist.com [mailto:kxk24@scientist.com]
sent: friday, september 05, 2003 1:10 pm
to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
subject: re: indigo-girls digest - 3 sep 2003 to 4 sep 2003 (#2003-267)

does anyone know why they arent touring with band this time?
why did they play such a big venue like gwinnet without band?
there was more people at one chastain show last year than at gwinnett.
--
__________________________________________________________
sign-up for your own personalized e-mail at mail.com
http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup


careerbuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. be smarter about your job search
http://corp.mail.com/careers


--
please do not send long non-indigo girls-related forwards to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig


--
please do not send long non-indigo girls-related forwards to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 5 sep 2003 12:34:03 -0500
reply-to:     tgreen@uab.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         todd green <tgreen@uab.edu>
subject:      re: arent touring with band this time?
in-reply-to:  <20030905171013.82412.qmail@mail.com>
content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
mime-version: 1.0
content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable


i suppose touring without the band has a lot to do with working out the k=
inks=20
in the new songs.


as for playing gwinnett as opposed to chastain, they can't "exactly" choo=
se=20
the venues can they. they have to get "offers" and scheduling around the=20
offers can be tough. personally i don't like chastain anyway. here are a =
few=20
negatives regarding it. 1) 50 percent(or more its only a rough estimate) =
of=20
the people at a chastain show could care less who is playing on the stage=
in=20
front of them! they buy a season pass go out for a picnic under the stars=
=2e=20
this results in those folks chattering throughout the show. and you can=20
really hear them chatter because 2) there is a noise ordinance imposed on=
=20
chastain due to its location in a residential neighborhood. the sound is=20
lower than normal, which means that you can hear the drunk idiot next to =
you=20
in all sincerity talk about how that girl up there can really play that=20
eukalele(referring to amy and the mandolin).true story!!! 3) also because=
its=20
in the neighborhood. there is an early curfew. if the show is running beh=
ind=20
schedule it just means that you get a shorter show. 4) season passes take=
=20
many of the good seats. there are positives about chastain its nice visua=
lly=20
under the stars.


thats my .02.


-todd


on friday 05 september 2003 12:10 pm, you wrote:
> does anyone know why they arent touring with band this time?
> why did they play such a big venue like gwinnet without band?
> there was more people at one chastain show last year than at gwinnett.


--
please do not send long non-indigo girls-related forwards to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 5 sep 2003 13:47:42 -0400
reply-to:     victoria.heckler@ppfa.org
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         "<victoria heckler>" <victoria.heckler@ppfa.org>
subject:      re: arent touring with band this time?
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"


i agree with your .02 regarding chastain!  chastain is a pretty miserable
experience for those of us who go to ig shows and actually want to be able
to hear the music!  and forget about trying to dance, stand up, etc.!  it
was a lovely venue, but a miserable, miserable experience for me!


my "true story" about chastain is:  i was waiting outside the venue for the
gates to open and a family of four came up with picnic basket, fancy
tablecloth, etc.  they were chatting to each other about how they were given
a free table for the night by family friends (all of the better seats are
tables that are reserved well in advance by corporate sponsors and
individuals who have literally reserved the same exact table for years).  as
k's choice started to do their soundcheck, they looked at one another and
commented that they didn't realize that indigo girls had a male member
(referring to gert bettens).  i thought to myself, "well, at least they know
who indigo girls are."  then, one of the teenage daughters says, "yeah, i
thought there were five girls in the band and no guys."  the conversation
went on until i could no longer resist. i turned to them and said, "i
believe you are thinking of the spice girls -- not the indigo girls."


-----original message-----
from: todd green [mailto:tgreen@uab.edu]
sent: friday, september 05, 2003 1:34 pm
to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
subject: re: arent touring with band this time?

i suppose touring without the band has a lot to do with working out the
kinks
in the new songs.


as for playing gwinnett as opposed to chastain, they can't "exactly" choose
the venues can they. they have to get "offers" and scheduling around the
offers can be tough. personally i don't like chastain anyway. here are a few


negatives regarding it. 1) 50 percent(or more its only a rough estimate) of
the people at a chastain show could care less who is playing on the stage in


front of them! they buy a season pass go out for a picnic under the stars.
this results in those folks chattering throughout the show. and you can
really hear them chatter because 2) there is a noise ordinance imposed on
chastain due to its location in a residential neighborhood. the sound is
lower than normal, which means that you can hear the drunk idiot next to you


in all sincerity talk about how that girl up there can really play that
eukalele(referring to amy and the mandolin).true story!!! 3) also because
its
in the neighborhood. there is an early curfew. if the show is running behind


schedule it just means that you get a shorter show. 4) season passes take
many of the good seats. there are positives about chastain its nice visually


under the stars.


thats my .02.


-todd


--
please do not send long non-indigo girls-related forwards to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 5 sep 2003 14:30:31 -0500
reply-to:     barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
subject:      re: indigo-girls digest.
content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
mime-version: 1.0 (webtv)


they aren't touring with the band because they are still promoting
become you ( though less this year) which is supposedly accoustic. it's
what they had been telling fans they'd do for a few years.and people
like myself have waited since so to hear them without the band.


and while i miss their band now, some of their songs actually sound
better on their bare bones than when they are covered up by loud
electric instruments.


peace
barb


stop the war on iraqi people! finding a peaceful solution does not
involve doing nothing.


ffi www.internationalanswer.org and
www.notinourname.net


--
please do not send long non-indigo girls-related forwards to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 5 sep 2003 15:41:35 -0400
reply-to:     victoria.heckler@ppfa.org
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         "<victoria heckler>" <victoria.heckler@ppfa.org>
subject:      re: indigo-girls digest.
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"


they've already toured twice (june/july of 2002 and then again in sept. of
2002 (well..they were supposed to tour with the full band, but one of the
members had to return home for a family emergency or something))with a
full-band to promote "become you," so i really don't think it has much to do
with "become you" being an "acoustic" album.  although i prefer ig without
the band, i do miss the drumbeats in "become you"!


-----original message-----
from: barbara bordner [mailto:ritesofpassage9@webtv.net]
sent: friday, september 05, 2003 3:31 pm
to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
subject: re: indigo-girls digest.

they aren't touring with the band because they are still promoting
become you ( though less this year) which is supposedly accoustic. it's
what they had been telling fans they'd do for a few years.and people
like myself have waited since so to hear them without the band.


and while i miss their band now, some of their songs actually sound
better on their bare bones than when they are covered up by loud
electric instruments.


peace
barb


stop the war on iraqi people! finding a peaceful solution does not
involve doing nothing.


ffi www.internationalanswer.org and
www.notinourname.net


--
please do not send long non-indigo girls-related forwards to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig


--
please do not send long non-indigo girls-related forwards to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 6 sep 2003 00:42:31 -0400
reply-to:     indigogirl <indigogirl@comcast.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         indigogirl <indigogirl@comcast.net>
subject:      bumper stickers...
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
content-transfer-encoding:  quoted-printable


please.... pretty please...
i need four indigo girls' bumper stickers for 4 cars (mine, my s/o, and =
both my daughters)....
if you can help me, please email me off list...
thank you for your help and for lovin' the grrls as much as i do!!!


peace, love, & harmony,
indigogirl


--
do not quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 6 sep 2003 13:20:30 +0000
reply-to:     susmarine@comcast.net
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         susan marine <susmarine@comcast.net>
subject:      never to be heard again?


hi all, this talk of ideal vs not ideal concert venues has gotten me thinking
about the way that each year's tour really is an event that likely will never
be repeated....case in point: 75% of the songs from each album get played
*only* on the tour associated with that album's release, and then never again.
it hurts my heart to realize we will (in all likelihood) never hear the
following songs live again:


shed your skin (except maybe if we go to the ballet!:))
scooter boys
hey kind friend
cara mia

and from cons:
soon be to nothing
sister
cold beer and remote control


now, granted, these are five of my favorite songs. in looking back at my
reocrds of setlists, none of them have been played since the end of the
respective tours on which the album they are on was rolled out. so, while we
can certianly hope they make a reappearance, like romeo and juliet and some of
the more obscure stuff from the older records like 'let it be me' and 'you and
me of the 10k wars', i myself am resigned to probably not hearing them again.
hurts the heart, it does! i am in the process of trnasferring my boots from
the cons and sos tours to cd since that's probably the last time we'll be able
to access recordings of these songs.


does anyone have an alternate view, with some actual examples of how i might
be wrong about this? :)


i guess it's great they play lots of the same stuff on every tour. i myself
would like it better if they'd dip into their catalog a bit more deeply.


xo


sus


--
do not quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 6 sep 2003 08:43:41 -0700
reply-to:     joy <neversaythat@starstream.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         joy <neversaythat@starstream.net>
subject:      re: never to be heard again?
in-reply-to:  <20030906132033.258cf1fe4d@lists.netspace.org>
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
content-transfer-encoding: 7bit


scooter boys was played at the bend, or honor show this spring (i think
the acoustic version might be better than the electric one...), and they
did cold beer in eugene, or last summer on the by tour.  i have the
tapes to prove it! :-)


-----original message-----
from: indigo girls mailing list [mailto:indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org]
on behalf of susan marine
sent: saturday, september 06, 2003 6:21 am
to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
subject: never to be heard again?


hi all, this talk of ideal vs not ideal concert venues has gotten me
thinking
about the way that each year's tour really is an event that likely will
never
be repeated....


--
do not quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 6 sep 2003 09:10:54 -0700
reply-to:     torrie bryant <broadway_babe_42@yahoo.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         torrie bryant <broadway_babe_42@yahoo.com>
subject:      re: never to be heard again?
in-reply-to:  <20030906132033.258cf1fe4d@lists.netspace.org>
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


2 summers ago, when i saw them in utah, i distinctly
recall them playing " cold beer and remote control"

__________________________________
do you yahoo!?
yahoo! sitebuilder - free, easy-to-use web site design software
http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com


--
do not quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 6 sep 2003 14:16:02 -0400
reply-to:     len and ginny weller <tworetrievers@comcast.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         len and ginny weller <tworetrievers@comcast.net>
subject:      re: never to be heard again?
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
content-transfer-encoding: 7bit


ive heard them play "cold beer and remote control" thre times this year.
two times in february and then again in april.


--
do not quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 6 sep 2003 20:56:38 +0100
reply-to:     eileen standen <eileen_standen@hotmail.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         eileen standen <eileen_standen@hotmail.com>
subject:      re: never to be heard again?
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/html


they played cold beer and remote control and soon be to nothing several times during the uk tours last year.  other less-often-played-these-days songs (so far as i can tell) included my three favourites ghost, mystery and love will come to you, plus history of us, i don't wanna know, faye tucker, pushing the needle, jonas and ezekiel, andy (lovely live), prince of darkness, land of canaan and a tiny snatch of uncle john's band!  but they hadn't been over here for nearly 7 years so there was a lot of catching up to do :-)  i hope they don't leave it so long next time...

peace,
eileen


>from: susan marine
>reply-to: susmarine@comcast.net
>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
>subject: never to be heard again?
>date: sat, 6 sep 2003 13:20:30 +0000
>
>hi all, this talk of ideal vs not ideal concert venues has gotten me thinking
>about the way that each year's tour really is an event that likely will never
>be repeated....

stay connected whilst on the move. now you can get hotmail sent directly to your mobile phone. click here for details.

--
do not quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig
=========================================================================
date:         sun, 7 sep 2003 13:50:24 +0000
reply-to:     susmarine@comcast.net
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
from:         susan marine <susmarine@comcast.net>
subject:      good news


thanks to those of you who offered hope-- it's good to hear 'cold beer' and
scooter boys were indeed played on recent tours. to eileen in the uk -- we
were lucky to hear "love will come to you", "mystery", "ghost", and "jonas and
ezekiel" on this summer's duo tour, so don't give up on those :)


susan


--
for information about the news-only version of this list send
this command to majordomo@smoe.org: info ig-news
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig


home | appearances | articles | bootlegs | discography | fanzine | faq | fun | listlogs | official | socs | songs | videos | youtube