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date:         mon, 15 sep 2003 00:37:50 -0500
reply-to:     greg flamer <gflame@ameritech.net>
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subject:      re: i thought my last name was funny-- being a pacifist
              quaker.nigc
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on 9/14/03 9:36 am, susan marine at susmarine@comcast.net wrote:


> is you real name actually kari bourgeois?
>
> that's too ironic! maybe more than my own last name.
>
> :)
>
> susan marine

i was waiting for someone to notice this irony.  leave it to sue!  go on!


ironic last names?  i could easily take the prize here except that...well i
am a flamer in all ways :):).


as for ms bourgeois and her growing tired of the list and this crap...c'est
l'vie!  continue to be amazed at how disagreeing with one's government seems
to get you labeled treasonous and unpatriotic (or crap for that matter).
hmmm...wasn't america based on the fact that you can speak out against your
government.  wake up.  and who do we expect to pay for the war in iraq..the
people making $20,000 a year?  you can't be in favor of the war and then
bitch and moan that the govt takes 35% of your income.  again...wake up!
sorry about the nigc but that was brewing for two weeks!--greg


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date:         mon, 15 sep 2003 02:04:11 edt
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wow, i am surprised that no one posted about this event yet.  i just got home
from atlanta, i am exhausted, so this will be brief.  but it was wonderful to
be there in person to see ig finally be inducted into the ga music hall of
fame.  i am such a sap -- i was crying.  ;)


anyway, more about the speeches, etc tomorrow.  but this is easy.  the
setlist:


become you
closer to fine


;)


it was great seeing some of you there.  i had an amazing time.  back to life
and reality in california for me now....


:-) karen (spike ;) )


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date:         mon, 15 sep 2003 03:53:30 edt
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an interesting article about saturday's induction:


http://www.ajc.com/living/content/living/0903/14hall.html


:-) karen


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and the miracle of daybreak doesn't move you anymore
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as the night comes down on the reservoir"
-- amy ray (indigo girls), "perfect world" (new song... *sigh* they just keep
getting better!)
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date:         mon, 15 sep 2003 08:45:00 -0400
reply-to:     vickistein@aol.com
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from:         "digest <vicki stein>" <vickistein@aol.com>
subject:      re: tax the rich for the war in iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nigc)
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amen, sister.


study bush's policies, and you'll find he is the worst president in the history of the us.  i won't waste your time reciting the "whys" of it all ~ just take the time to review.


peace on earth.


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date:         mon, 15 sep 2003 09:06:55 -0500
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i think the prices for this show are absolutely horrendous!  it has always
been my dream to be able to see s&g perform.  heck, i was not very old when
they pretty much split up.  (i'm 27 now)  but as much as i would love to go
to this show there is no way in the world i am going to spend that much
money for a concert.  especially when the concert is at the xcel center.  i
refuse to support xcel energy either.  i am really disappointed with this
whole thing.
:(
mi rinda


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date:         mon, 15 sep 2003 10:32:07 -0700
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>...besides the girls want us all to
> boycott excel energy
> center anyway.


excuse my ignorance, but what is excel energy and why
are the ig boycotting it?

elaine


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date:         mon, 15 sep 2003 10:50:28 -0700
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----- original message -----
from: "digest <vicki stein>" <vickistein@aol.com>
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sent: monday, september 15, 2003 5:45 am
subject: re: tax the rich for the war in iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nigc)

> amen, sister.
>
> study bush's policies, and you'll find he is the worst president in the
history of the us.  i won't waste your time reciting the "whys" of it all ~
just take the time to review.

you must be too young to remember, johnson, nixon and carter.


btw, if you're going to make such a blanket inflammatory statement, the
burden is on you to "waste our time" proving it.  otherwise you just sound
like a troll.


dave


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date:         mon, 15 sep 2003 11:56:47 -0600
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hello kind peeps.  i have the following ig t-shirts that need good, =
loving homes.  they come from a good, loving, non-smoking home.  they =
are all in very good to excellent condition.  all prices are "plus =
shipping" - around $5.  if it is less, i will tell you before you send =
money.


large, grey, "a+e=3dig crew" - this shirt was made by a listmember.  =
great shirt.  the screenprinting is black, and is on the front right =
side, where a pocket would be. $8


large, green "get out the map" (2 women talking across the fence). $10


x-large, black "nomads indians saints".  small graphic (very nice, =
vibrant blue) on front right side, where a pocket would be.  also =
graphics (lots of color) on the back.  $10


l, black "lilith fair" 1999, graphics front and back.  back graphics are =
dates and locations.  $5


x-large, black "indigo girls local crew".  just a really cool shirt.  =
graphic on right front where a pocket would be.  $5


x-large, tan, lady with long hair flowing, view from back, holding a =
scythe.  i think this was from the come on now social tour.  front =
graphic only.  indigo girls under graphic.  $10


large, tan, jesus christ superstar a resurrection.  $8


medium, tan, "lilith fair" 1998 - graphics front and back, back shows =
dates and locations.  $8


x-large, white, woman sailing in hands with forks for sails.  i have two =
of these.  $10


large, tan, "shaming of the sun" with the dolls.  $8


large, gray, "amy ray & the butchies" 2001.  $10


or make me an offer i can't refuse.


thanks.


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in a message dated 9/15/03 2:09:07 pm eastern daylight time,
xophile@charter.net writes:

> btw, if you're going to make such a blanket inflammatory statement, the
> burden is on you to "waste our time" proving it.  otherwise you just sound
> like a troll.
>
>
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hmm, how about this?...deb


george w. bush resume the white house, usa:
my accomplishments as president:


* i attacked and took over two countries with no plan for reconstruction
in place.
*i spent the u.s. surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
*i shattered the record for biggest annual deficit in history.
*i set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any
12-month period.
*i set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock
market.
*i am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
*i am the first president in us history to enter office with a criminal
record.
*in my first year in office i set the all-time record for most days on
vacation by any president in us history. after taking the entire month
of august off for vacation, i presided over the worst security failure in
us history.
*i set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by any president
in us history.
*in my first two years in office i allowed over 2 million americans to
lose their jobs.
*i cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work americans than any
other president in us history.
*i set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
*i appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than
any president in us history.
*i set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president
since the advent of tv.
*i signed more laws and executive orders amending the constitution than
any other president in us history.
*i presided over the biggest energy crises in us history and refused to
intervene when corruption was revealed.
*i presided over the highest gasoline prices in us history and refused
to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
*i cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
*i set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously
take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the
record for protest against any person in the history of mankind
*i dissolved more international treaties than any president in us
history.
*i've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in
us history.
*members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in us
history. (the 'poorest' multimillionaire, condoleeza rice, has a chevron
oil
tanker named after her).
*i am the first president in us history to have nearly all of the states
of the union simultaneously go bankrupt.
*i presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market
in any country in the history of the world.
*i am the first president in us history to order a us attack and
military occupation of a sovereign nation, and i did so against the will of
the
united nations and the world community.
*i engaged the nation in a war that is costing $4 billion dollars a
month.
*i have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the
history of the united states.
*i set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases,
more than any other president in us history.
*i am the first president in us history to have the united nations
remove the us from the human rights commission.
*i am the first president in us history to have the united nations
remove the us from the elections monitoring board.
*i removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of
congressional oversight than any presidential administration in us
history.
*i rendered the entire united nations irrelevant.
*i withdrew from the world court of law.
*i refused to allow inspectors access to us prisoners of war and by
default no longer abide by the geneva conventions.
*i am the first president in us history to refuse united nations
election inspectors access during the 2002 us elections.
*i am the all-time us (and world) record holder for most corporate
campaign donations. the biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign,
who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest
corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (kenneth lay, former ceo of
enron
corporation).
*i spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in us
history.
*i am the first president to run and hide when the us came under attack
(and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to air force one)
*i am the first us president to establish a secret shadow government.
*i took the world's sympathy for the us after 911, and in less than a
year made the us the most resented country in the world (possibly the
biggest
diplomatic failure in us and world history).
*i am the first us president in history to have a majority of the people
of europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace
and stability.
*i am the first us president in history to have the people of south
korea more threatened by the us than by their immediate neighbor, north
korea.
*i changed us policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded
government contracts.
*i set the all-time record for number of administration appointees who
violated us law by not selling their huge investments in corporations
bidding for government contracts.
*i have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for americans than any
other president in us history.
*in a little over two years i have created the most divided country in
decades, possibly the most divided that the us has been since the civil
war.
*i entered office with the strongest economy in us history and in less
than two years turned every single economic category heading straight
down.


records and references:


*i have at least one conviction for drunk driving in maine (texas
driving record has been erased and is not available).
*i was awol from the national guard and deserted the military during a
time of war.
*i refused to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug
use.
*all records of my tenure as governor of texas have been spirited away
to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
all records of any sec investigations into my insider trading or
bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
*all minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which i served on
the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
*any records or minutes from meetings i (or my vp) attended regarding
public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public
review.


personal references:


for personal references, please speak to my dad or uncle james baker
(they can be reached in their offices at the carlyle group where they are
helping to divide up the spoils of the us-iraq war and plan for the next
one.)

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date:         mon, 15 sep 2003 13:33:07 -0500
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more info to back up that "blanket inflammatory statement" made by a fellow
list member.
:)
mi rinda


doesn't exactly give you warm fuzzies...

george w. bush's resume
george w. bush (dubya)
the white house
1600 pennsylvania ave., nw
washington, d.c. 20500


past work experience:


ran for congress and lost.
produced a hollywood slasher b movie.
bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in texas; company went
bankrupt shortly after i sold all my stock.
bought the texas rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took
land using taxpayer money. biggest move: traded sammy sosa to the chicago
cubs.
with father's help (and his name) was elected governor of texas.


accomplishments in previous positions:


changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made texas the
most polluted state in the union.


replaced los angeles with houston as the most smog-ridden city in
america.
cut taxes and bankrupted the texas government to the tune of billions
in borrowed money.


set record for most executions by any governor in american history.


became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes,
with the help of my father's appointments to the supreme court.


accomplishments as president:


attacked and took over two countries.
spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month
period.
set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock
market.
first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
first president in u.s. history to enter office with a criminal record.
first year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation
by any president in u.s. history.
after taking the entire month of august off for vacation, presided over
the worst security failure in u.s. history.
set the record for most campaign fundraising trips than any other
president in u.s. history.
in my first two years in office over 2 million americans lost their
job.
cut unemployment benefits for more out of work americans than any
president in u.s. history.
set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any
president in u.s. history.
set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any
president since the advent of television.
signed more laws and executive orders amending the constitution than
any president in u.s. history.
presided over the biggest energy crises in u.s. history and refused to
intervene when corruption was revealed.
presided over the highest gasoline prices in u.s. history and refused
to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously
take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record


for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (<a
href="  <http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/>
http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/">
<http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/>
http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/</a>)
dissolved more international treaties than any president in u.s.
history.
my presidency is the most secretive and unaccountable of any in u.s.
history.


members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in u.s.
history (the 'poorest' multimillionaire, condoleezza rice, has an exxon oil
tanker named after her).
first president in u.s. history to have all 50 states of the union
simultaneously go bankrupt.
presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in
any country in the history of the world.
first president in u.s. history to order a u.s. attack and military
occupation of a sovereign nation.
created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of
the united states.
set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases,
more than any president in u.s. history.
first president in u.s. history to have the united nations remove the
u.s. from the human rights commission.
first president in u.s. history to have the united nations remove the
u.s. from the elections monitoring board.
removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of
congressional oversight than any presidential administration in u.s.
history.
rendered the entire united nations irrelevant.
withdrew from the world court of law.
refused to allow inspectors access to u.s. prisoners of war and by
default no longer abide by the geneva conventions.
first president in u.s. history to refuse united nations election
inspectors (during the 2002 u.s. elections).
all-time u.s. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign
donations.
my biggest lifetime campaign contributor presided over one of the
largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (kenneth lay, former
ceo
of enron corporation).
spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in u.s.
history.
first president in u.s. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign
nation against the will of the united nations and the world community.
first president to run and hide when the u.s. came under attack (and
then lied saying the enemy had the code to air force 1)
first u.s. president to establish a secret shadow government.
took the biggest world sympathy for the u.s. after 9/11, and in less
than a year made the u.s. the most resented country in the world (possibly
the
biggest diplomatic failure in u.s. and world history).
with a policy of 'disengagement' created the most hostile
israeli-palestine relations in at least 30 years.
fist u.s. president in history to have a majority of the people of
europe
(71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and
stability.
first u.s. president in history to have the people of south korea more
threatened by the u.s. than their immediate neighbor, north korea.
changed us policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government
contracts.
set all-time record for number of administration appointees who
violated u.s. law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding
for
government contracts.
failed to fulfill my pledge to get osama bin laden 'dead or alive.'
failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of
our country at the united states capital building. after 18 months i have
no leads and zero suspects.
in the 18 months following the 9/11 attacks i have successfully
prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the
history
of the united states.
removed more freedoms and civil liberties for americans than any other
president in u.s. history.
in a little over two years created the most divided country in decades,
possibly the most divided the u.s. has ever been since the civil war.
entered office with the strongest economy in u.s. history and in less
than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.


records and references:


at least one conviction for drunk driving in maine (texas driving
record has been erased and is not available)
awol from national guard and deserted the military during a time of
war.
refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
all records of my tenure as governor of texas have been spirited away
to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
all records of any sec investigations into my insider trading or
bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
all minutes of meetings for any public corporation i served on the
board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
any records or minutes from meetings i (or my vp) attended regarding
public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public
review.


note: for personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle james
baker (they can be reached at their offices of the carlyle group for
war-profiteering.)


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to paraphrase ronald reagan when he ran for office: do you feel better off
than you did (almost) 4 years ago? well, the economy is in the toilet and and i
feel my civil rights eroding right from under my feet, and i could wake up
almost any morning and find a) another terroristic attack; b) more us troops
killed; or c) all of the above.... so i guess my answer is no.
deb


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here's a site with weblinks that back up the list that deb woodell posted
(found via the digital catharsis website):


http://idontfeelsogood.blogspot.com/2003_08_01_idontfeelsogood_archive.html#106208601359164658


-tracy
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all t-shirts are gone.  thanks everyone.


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items listed below are not all true.  clinton was a draft-dodger which was a
federal crime, before he became president.


> in a message dated 9/15/03 2:09:07 pm eastern daylight time,
> xophile@charter.net writes:
>
>
> >btw, if you're going to make such a blanket inflammatory statement, the
> >burden is on you to "waste our time" proving it.  otherwise you just sound
> >like a troll.
> >
> >
> ---
> hmm, how about this?...deb
>
> george w. bush resume the white house, usa:
> my accomplishments as president:
>
> * i attacked and took over two countries with no plan for reconstruction
> in place.
> *i spent the u.s. surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
> *i shattered the record for biggest annual deficit in history.
> *i set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any
> 12-month period.
> *i set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock
> market.
> *i am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
> *i am the first president in us history to enter office with a criminal
> record.
> *in my first year in office i set the all-time record for most days on
> vacation by any president in us history. after taking the entire month
> of august off for vacation, i presided over the worst security failure in
> us history.
> *i set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by any president
> in us history.
> *in my first two years in office i allowed over 2 million americans to
> lose their jobs.
> *i cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work americans than any
> other president in us history.
> *i set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
> *i appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than
> any president in us history.
> *i set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president
> since the advent of tv.
> *i signed more laws and executive orders amending the constitution than
> any other president in us history.
> *i presided over the biggest energy crises in us history and refused to
> intervene when corruption was revealed.
> *i presided over the highest gasoline prices in us history and refused
> to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
> *i cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
> *i set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously
> take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the
> record for protest against any person in the history of mankind
> *i dissolved more international treaties than any president in us
> history.
> *i've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in
> us history.
> *members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in us
> history. (the 'poorest' multimillionaire, condoleeza rice, has a chevron
> oil
> tanker named after her).
> *i am the first president in us history to have nearly all of the states
> of the union simultaneously go bankrupt.
> *i presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market
> in any country in the history of the world.
> *i am the first president in us history to order a us attack and
> military occupation of a sovereign nation, and i did so against the will of
> the
> united nations and the world community.
> *i engaged the nation in a war that is costing $4 billion dollars a
> month.
> *i have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the
> history of the united states.
> *i set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases,
> more than any other president in us history.
> *i am the first president in us history to have the united nations
> remove the us from the human rights commission.
> *i am the first president in us history to have the united nations
> remove the us from the elections monitoring board.
> *i removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of
> congressional oversight than any presidential administration in us
> history.
> *i rendered the entire united nations irrelevant.
> *i withdrew from the world court of law.
> *i refused to allow inspectors access to us prisoners of war and by
> default no longer abide by the geneva conventions.
> *i am the first president in us history to refuse united nations
> election inspectors access during the 2002 us elections.
> *i am the all-time us (and world) record holder for most corporate
> campaign donations. the biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign,
> who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest
> corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (kenneth lay, former ceo of
> enron
> corporation).
> *i spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in us
> history.
> *i am the first president to run and hide when the us came under attack
> (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to air force one)
> *i am the first us president to establish a secret shadow government.
> *i took the world's sympathy for the us after 911, and in less than a
> year made the us the most resented country in the world (possibly the
> biggest
> diplomatic failure in us and world history).
> *i am the first us president in history to have a majority of the people
> of europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace
> and stability.
> *i am the first us president in history to have the people of south
> korea more threatened by the us than by their immediate neighbor, north
> korea.
> *i changed us policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded
> government contracts.
> *i set the all-time record for number of administration appointees who
> violated us law by not selling their huge investments in corporations
> bidding for government contracts.
> *i have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for americans than any
> other president in us history.
> *in a little over two years i have created the most divided country in
> decades, possibly the most divided that the us has been since the civil
> war.
> *i entered office with the strongest economy in us history and in less
> than two years turned every single economic category heading straight
> down.
>
> records and references:
>
> *i have at least one conviction for drunk driving in maine (texas
> driving record has been erased and is not available).
> *i was awol from the national guard and deserted the military during a
> time of war.
> *i refused to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug
> use.
> *all records of my tenure as governor of texas have been spirited away
> to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
> all records of any sec investigations into my insider trading or
> bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
> *all minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which i served on
> the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
> *any records or minutes from meetings i (or my vp) attended regarding
> public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public
> review.
>
> personal references:
>
> for personal references, please speak to my dad or uncle james baker
> (they can be reached in their offices at the carlyle group where they are
> helping to divide up the spoils of the us-iraq war and plan for the next
> one.)
>
>
>
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clinton was not a draft-dodger in the legal sense. he was
in college in england during the war, and protested it,
but he didn't illegally dodge the draft - he did so legally
by way of college deferment. conservatives like to call
him a draft-dodger but he wasn't one in the legal sense.
and it can be said that clinton had integrity in this
respect because he actively protested an immoral
war, whereas gwb joined the national guard to avoid
it (as did dan quayle; al gore was over there as a
photographer) and then he went awol. of course
nobody did anything about it though because of who
his father was. typical rich kids getting out of the war
while their fathers send the poor kids to die.


-jenna


at 03:27 pm 9/15/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>items listed below are not all true.  clinton was a draft-dodger which was a
>federal crime, before he became president.


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howdy ya'll,


i've been sorta out of the booting loop for a while now, probably since
just after become you came out, but the urge to hear these new songs is
too enticing to pass up.  so i was wondering if any kind soul out there
would be willing to either trade or b&p a boot of any recent show where
the girls play all-or as many of-their new songs in one show as is
possible?  they haven't hit the midwest since april and back then they
were doing things like "crazy game" and "california dreamin'" but not
their new stuff yet.


ok, well, lemme know offlist, i have a boot list if anyone's interested in
trading.  peace and love ya'll!


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"overload the ruler with information and [he'll] kill you just to simplify things."
-hagrid discussing ogres to harry potter in "the order of the phoenix (think about bush when you read this...)


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i never do this, but... i have *nothing* to comment on save that deb and
mirinda, ya'll are masters of research and i thank you for creating a list
i plan to print off and share with *anyone* who starts in on the 'miracle'
that is dubbya.  thank you and <<<much applause>>>


with admiration,
~juliana


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does anyone have a copy of this? i'd looooooooove one....what can i do? talk
to me here....


carla ;o)


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in a message dated 9/15/03 3:28:56 pm eastern daylight time, gursky1@aol.com
writes:


> items listed below are not all true.  clinton was a draft-dodger which was
> a
> federal crime, before he became president.


hi bill,  i tried to send this directly to you but your account won't accept
email so just fyi.......


a complete account of clinton's elaborate draft-dodge is given in the
reference cited below, but the gist is this:

eighteen-year old bill enters georgetown university and registers for
selective service, as required by law. his status as a full-time student earns him a
deferrment.

in his senior year, bill receives a rhodes scholarship to study at oxford
university.

in february of 1968, the federal government eliminates draft deferments for
graduate students and bill once again becomes eligible in march of that year.

clinton subsequently, though family and political connections, obtains a navy
billet from the local naval reserve unit and temporary draft protection from
the garland county draft board, allowing him to start at oxford - special
treatment that was not uncommon for rhode's scholars of the day.

clinton completes his first term at oxford in december, 1969, and is ordered
to report for a physical in january, which he did.

in april 1969, bill was ordered to report for induction. however, delays in
international mail delivery resulted in clinton receiving his orders after the
induction date had passed. by this time, he had begun his second term at
oxford. regulations allowed him to complete the term, but he must report for
induction by july 28, 1969.

clinton gets accepted into the university of arkansas rotc program on july
17, nullifying his draft notice. clinton would not have to enroll until he
completed basic training the following year.

in the fall of '69, clinton opts to return to oxford, rather than enroll in
the university of arkansas law school. while at oxford, clinton contacts the
draft board to drop his rotc deferment and return to active status. by this
time, regulations had changed, allowing graduate students to complete their
schooling before reporting for military duty. clinton had a high enough draft number
to virtually ensure he would not be called. while his conduct may be
considered unethical it was not illegal under the laws at that time and, thus, the
conclusion drawn that he was the first pardoned criminal to serve as president is
fallacious.


he manipulated the system, but he had the proper and legal right to do
everything he did. he was never awol, never guilty of failing to report, was never a
criminal under public law and, thus, was not among those pardoned by
president carter in 1977.


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hey y'all,


good to see a little ig-style activism creeping into this list again...


http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks.html
http://www.warprofiteers.com/


for more enlightenment...


peace,
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for those of you who like political cartoons, check out: www.markfiore.com/index.html.  mark fiore is probably the best flash cartoonist on the web.
marci

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since our girls are busy bees right now we have a little lull in
conversation.  i thought i would forward this questionnaire that i got from
another list.  you are supposed to answer the questions using only song
titles from one band.  i used our girls.  it's kind of fun to guess the
bands too.  anyone else care to play?
:)
mi rinda

1. are you male or female?
chickenman


2. describe yourself.
fugitive


3. how do some people feel about you?
i don't wanna know


4. how do you feel about yourself?
just passing time


5. describe your boy/girlfriend.
keeper of my heart


6. describe your job
pushing the needle too far


7. where would you rather be?
dairy queen


8. describe what you want to be.
trouble


9. describe how you live.
center stage


10. describe how you love.
cold as ice


11. share a few words of wisdom.
everything in it's own time


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1. are you male or female?
mona lisa and madhatters


2. describe yourself.
southland in the springtime


3. how do some people feel about you?
wood song


4. how do you feel about yourself?
johnny rottentale (just kidding)


5. describe your girlfriend.
least complicated


6. describe your job
teach your children well (i'm sure they've covered it at some point...)


7. where would you rather be?
midnight train to georgia


8. describe what you want to be.
galileo


9. describe how you live.
get out the map


10. describe how you love.
ozilene


11. share a few words of wisdom.
go


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1. are you male or female?
i'm a man


2. describe yourself.
halo


3. how do some people feel about you?
he's so strange


4. how do you feel about yourself?
i walk the line


5. describe your girlfriend.
waiting for a girl like you


6. describe your job
dirty deeds done dirt cheap


7. where would you rather be?
making movies


8. describe what you want to be.
closer to fine


9. describe how you live.
joking


10. describe how you love.
sleeping single in a double bed


11. share a few words of wisdom.
say what you want


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in a message dated 9/18/03 3:15:51 pm eastern daylight time,
mirinda.kovacs@thomson.com writes:

>
> 1. are you male or female?
> measure of me.

> 2. describe yourself.
the girl with the weight of the world in her hands.


>
>
> 3. how do some people feel about you?
> i don't wanna know.
>
> 4. how do you feel about yourself?
> closer to fine.
>
> 5. describe your boy/girlfriend.
> mystery
>
> 6. describe your job
> hammar and a nail
>
> 7. where would you rather be?
>
perfect world

> 8. describe what you want to be.


let it be me.


>
> 9. describe how you live.
> tried to be true.
>
> 10. describe how you love.
> devotion


> 11. share a few words of wisdom.
>
> love will come to you.


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discontent, trading misfortunes" - amy ray


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at 02:14 pm 9/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:


i wanna play!


bonus points if you can guess what band this is.
no fair googling it!


>1. are you male or female?


weather belle


>2. describe yourself.


i've been waiting for tomorrow, all of my life


>3. how do some people feel about you?


out of control


>4. how do you feel about yourself?


soup of mixed emotions


>5. describe your boy/girlfriend.


out of the blue (and into the fire)


>6. describe your job


voidy numbness


>7. where would you rather be?


absolute liberation


>8. describe what you want to be.


sweet bird of truth


>9. describe how you live.


waiting for the upturn


>10. describe how you love.


slow emotion replay


>11. share a few words of wisdom.


love is stronger than death

-jenna


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date:         fri, 19 sep 2003 20:03:31 -0500
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from:         michelle leifur <wieldingwords@cox.net>
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on 19 sep 2003 at 17:23, wherever wrote:


> at 02:14 pm 9/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
> i wanna play!
>
> bonus points if you can guess what band this is.
> no fair googling it!
>


it's the band with the redundant bland name.  lol!!


michelle
"dancing at the edge of my growing"
       -emily melcher


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<<it's the band with the redundant, bland  name.>>


hey!!  i like that name!!! lol


barb


stop the war on iraqi people! finding a peaceful solution does not
involve doing nothing.


ffi  www.internationalanswer.org  and
www.notinourname.net


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date:         sat, 20 sep 2003 12:20:58 -0400
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1. are you male or female?
isitaboyisitagirl - angela motter


2. describe yourself.
lucy stoners


3. how do some people feel about you?
crazy game


4. how do you feel about yourself?
least complicated


5. describe your boy/girlfriend.
land of canaan


6. describe your job
hammer and a nail


7. where would you rather be?
perfect world


8. describe what you want to be.
closer to fine


9. describe how you live.
go


10. describe how you love.
devotion


11. share a few words of wisdom.
the wood song


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