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date:         mon, 15 dec 2003 00:23:39 est
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in a message dated 12/14/03 4:29:22 pm eastern standard time,
indigokare@aol.com writes:


>
> a few things... they cut let me go easy.  i kind of had an incling that they
> wouldf after not hearing it on the west coast or in nyc, but how sad.


very sad, 12 tracks would have been nice


indi


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date:         mon, 15 dec 2003 00:58:28 -0600
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maybe there'll be a hidden track. on the one hand, hidden tracks annoy me
because they're hard to put on repeat unless you make a new disc with the
hidden song on its own track by itself. but on the other hand, just when
you think your new ig disc is done, suddenly there's a whole other song!


on mon, 15 dec 2003, heidi smith wrote:


> in a message dated 12/14/03 4:29:22 pm eastern standard time,
> indigokare@aol.com writes:
>
> >
> > a few things... they cut let me go easy.  i kind of had an incling that they
> > wouldf after not hearing it on the west coast or in nyc, but how sad.
>
> very sad, 12 tracks would have been nice
>
> indi
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in a message dated 12/15/2003 12:23:39 am eastern standard time, indigokat writes:

i'm surprised and siappointed that let me go easy was not included.  i felt it was very moving when i heard it in northampton and hope it'll be released someday.  it's too good not to be.


on a side note, i went to one of the simon and garfunkel concert at the fleet center last week, and they played american tune.  i prefer the ig version...no instruments, and very powerful.


rena
>
>
> in a message dated 12/14/03 4:29:22 pm eastern standard time,
> indigokare@aol.com writes:
>
> >
> > a few things... they cut let me go easy.  i kind of had an incling that they
> > wouldf after not hearing it on the west coast or in nyc, but how sad.
>
> very sad, 12 tracks would have been nice
>
> indi
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date:         mon, 15 dec 2003 08:20:34 -0800
reply-to:     juliana smith <monkeemaidjules@yahoo.com>
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howdy,


i'm not sure how my zip code managed to disappear but it's 54902.  i'm juliana smith.  jessie i dunno about but there you go for mine.  peace and love all!


17. juliana smith
426 sullivan st #3
oshkosh wi

~juliana


"part of emily is saying, 'we're working hard, and now you just shot us in the foot.' but i feel like we're shut out of that (rolling stone) anyway, so why not go out in a blaze of glory?" ~amy (indigo girls) discussing emily's reaction to "lucystoners".


"overload the ruler with information and [he'll] kill you just to simplify things."
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date:         mon, 15 dec 2003 11:59:36 est
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i feel really bad that i can not participate this year folks in the card
exchange....both oour daughter mariah and my wife and i enjoyed it very much.

but to all of you  intimate strangers....we wish you all happy holidays with
safety, happiness, warmth and love to you all.


sincerely,


sparkie

loralei, jamie and mariah


and animals:
shiba inu--sabakah, pug rescued last week --chester, cats- nicholas, maggie,
athena, griffen, galileo, janis  fish pin head, sparks  hamsters- sabrina,
itch, scamp, ....and the dust bunnies too


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date:         mon, 15 dec 2003 21:15:49 -0500
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i like the new single - i just heard it on world cafe.  i'm so glad that amy ray
is writing in a major key with "happier" music.  her voice is much more
beautiful when she's not angry.  don't get me wrong, i like angry, but not all
the time.  the banjo & accordion rock blend is more evolved than what appeared
on become you.  they still remind me of my friends, wishing chair, when they
throw in an accordion or a banjo.


anna


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crosses my path, on behalf of the souls they never knew they saved."
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eclecticlibrarian.net | good music found here: wishingchair.com


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date:         mon, 15 dec 2003 22:03:51 -0600
reply-to:     barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
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i hate to break it to ya but alot of her ig music has been in a major
key and more happy sounding for years.  you know....soy,oziline, hey
kind friend, fugitive, world falls,

but i guess by 1994, she'd written enough angry ig songs, (well not
always angry songs but some were really negative) to get a mention in
one of the twin cities local tabloids....it said "amy ray,who's not
eaxctly a bastien of happy thoughts...." had sounded a lot more chipper
on so......anyway i remember kind of getting a
little kick out of that.


i like amy for her versatility as a singer. when her timbre goes from
smooth and flowing to gritty and biting,to whispering  in one song.


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date:         tue, 16 dec 2003 06:59:31 -0500
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in a message dated 12/15/2003 11:03:51 pm eastern standard time, ritesofpassage9@webtv.net writes:


i fully agree...well said


rena


> i like amy for her versatility as a singer. when her timbre goes from
> smooth and flowing to gritty and biting,to whispering  in
> one song.


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date:         tue, 16 dec 2003 08:47:37 -0500
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> i hate to break it to ya but alot of her ig music has been in a major
> key and more happy sounding for years.  you know....soy,oziline, hey
> kind friend, fugitive, world falls,


i am aware of that.  i've been listening to them since 1994 and a part of this
list since 1996.  ozilline is one of my all-time favorite amy songs.  this new
one, the name of which i cannot remember (bad fan!), it felt different from her
other "happier" songs.  i wouldn't put hkf or fugitive in that category, btw.
i don't know what it was about the song, and i can't remember any of the
lyrics, but i do remember thinking that it made me feel good and happy to hear
it.


anna


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date:         tue, 16 dec 2003 14:46:14 -0000
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i suspect my cards may turn out to be happy easter cards.  i must be past
the last posting date for the us by now.


edward.


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from: juliana smith [mailto:monkeemaidjules@yahoo.com]
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subject: xmas card exchange

howdy,


well, i thought i was like, the first name on the list of folks who wanted
to do the xmas exchange, and i already have my cards done but i'm apparently
either not on the list or... something because i haven't heard a word from
barb in a couple of days, and thought i'd ask someone who *does* have the
list if they'd mind sending it to me?  even if folks don't end up sending me
cards i have some aptly tailored ig xmas cards made that i'd like other ig
fans to receive!  if someone can help me out they get a free xmas card.  <g>
peace and love ya'll, happy early holidays.

~juliana


"part of emily is saying, 'we're working hard, and now you just shot us in
the foot.' but i feel like we're shut out of that (rolling stone) anyway, so
why not go out in a blaze of glory?" ~amy (indigo girls) discussing emily's
reaction to "lucystoners".


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date:         tue, 16 dec 2003 11:06:29 -0600
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i like hey kind friend, because it's so heart warming to hear someone
who really missed her friend for so long and so felt such warm feelings
of love and friendship on seeing them.
that's why i put it in the happy category.


peace
barb


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date:         tue, 16 dec 2003 09:45:03 -0800
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maybe i'm rehashing an old topic, but has anyone else
noticed the strong references to marijuana in that
song?  i always thought it was meant as a bit of a
double entendre.


such as:
"so i ask you for some relief and it's one true root
that you bring to me"
"i don't know if it's worth coming down"
and of course the title of the song, hey kind friend,
could be seen as a reference as well.  not to mention
the girls were backed up by a band named "smoke".


quite clever, actually, if that was the intention.


jer


--- barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net> wrote:
> i like hey kind friend, because it's so heart
> warming to hear someone
> who really missed her friend for so long and so felt
> such warm feelings
> of love and friendship on seeing them.

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quoting barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>:


> i like hey kind friend, because it's so heart warming to hear someone
> who really missed her friend for so long and so felt such warm feelings
> of love and friendship on seeing them.
> that's why i put it in the happy category.


i meant happy more in the way the music makes me feel, and not so much with the
lyrics.  lyrically, i agree that hkf is a happy song.


anna


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> "so i ask you for some relief and it's one true root
> that you bring to me"


i'll give you that this might be a reference to marijuana, but the next line you
quote, "i don't know if it's worth coming down," is probably not, if you look
at it in context:


so i'll meet you in new orleans or i'll see you around
cause i don't know if it's worth coming down
hey i'm calling you
from a goldrush town


when i heard the phrase "coming down," i took it to mean a directional thing.
as in, "i'll come down to [insert location here] and visit you sometime."


but, i'm not amy, so i can't say for sure what she meant by the lines or the
title.


anna


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i think amy said once in an interview that the song was about her friendship with ani-difranco, and how she went on your with her and it helped her put her life in perspective or cope with a breakup or something (really don't remember that well) but her songs are often about more than one thing so could be some pot stuff too, i guess.


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http://www.lifeblood.net/lyrics/background/bgheykind.html


i think this may be the interview you referred to.

anna


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date:         tue, 16 dec 2003 19:59:59 est
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check it out.


lauren

http://www.cybermeals.com/food/show_ld/0,1976,food_14517,00.html


dweezil & lisa
rock musicians and food lovers dweezil zappa and lisa loeb are hitting the
road in search of musical and culinary adventures. from dining on southern
specialties with the indigo girls in atlanta, to chowin' down at the zappa family's
breakfast pancake party, this dynamic duo is out to find good times and great
food. join them as they discover new regional culinary delights with famous
chefs and friends across the country.


dweezil and lisa premieres on friday, january 16 at 10 pm et/pt.


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the fook network?


:-d


best typo ever!


jason


at 7:59 pm -0500 12/16/03, indigotraveller@aol.com wrote:
>check it out.
>
>lauren
>
>
><http://www.cybermeals.com/food/show_ld/0,1976,food_14517,00.html>http://www.cybermeals.com/food/show_ld/0,1976,food_14517,00.html
>
>dweezil & lisa
>
>rock musicians and food lovers dweezil zappa and lisa loeb are
>hitting the road in search of musical and culinary adventures. from
>dining on southern specialties with the indigo girls in atlanta, to
>chowin' down at the zappa family's breakfast pancake party, this
>dynamic duo is out to find good times and great food. join them as
>they discover new regional culinary delights with famous chefs and
>friends across the country.
>
>dweezil and lisa premieres on friday, january 16 at 10 pm et/pt.


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ok....i don't see this reference...especially with the song title....can you explain?


jer <sobaroque@yahoo.com> wrote:maybe i'm rehashing an old topic, but has anyone else
noticed the strong references to marijuana in that
song? i always thought it was meant as a bit of a
double entendre.


such as:
"so i ask you for some relief and it's one true root
that you bring to me"
"i don't know if it's worth coming down"
and of course the title of the song, hey kind friend,
could be seen as a reference as well. not to mention
the girls were backed up by a band named "smoke".


quite clever, actually, if that was the intention.


jer


--- barbara bordner wrote:
> i like hey kind friend, because it's so heart
> warming to hear someone
> who really missed her friend for so long and so felt
> such warm feelings
> of love and friendship on seeing them.

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--- shelley o'bar <indieshell@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ok....i don't see this reference...especially with
> the song title....can you explain?

"kind" is a slang term used to express how good weed
is.  if it is very kind, then it is very strong, high
quality.


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--- jer <sobaroque@yahoo.com> wrote:
has anyone else noticed the strong references to
marijuana in that song (hkf) such as:
> "so i ask you for some relief and it's one true root
> that you bring to me"
> "i don't know if it's worth coming down"
> and of course the title of the song, hey kind
> friend, ... not to mention the girls were backed up
by a band named "smoke".


while amy has stated in an article that she smokes pot
and prefers organic drugs over manufactured types, i
do not believe the girls have ever promoted drugs or
referred specifically to drugs in any of their songs.
i do not believe that any of the references in hkf are
related to pot.


the line "so i'll meet you in new orleans or i'll see
you round cause i don't know if it's worth coming
down"
refers to seeing ani de franco at the 1996 new orleans
jazz festival where they both performed.  i gather at
the time the girls had not committed to performing at
the jazz fest that year and amy was not sure whether
it was worth coming down to (i.e. new orleans for the
jazz fest)


"so i ask you for some relief and it's one true root
that you bring to me" likely refers to the comfort
that ani, sara lee, and others on ani's tour bus
brought to amy after her breakup with cooper


amy has said the next line "it's 3am and it's good
company" refers specifically to sara lee.


benjamin the lead singer of smoke was one of amy's
favorite vocalists and the name of the band is
coincidental in my opinion


i think i just had an epiphany though, in that i think
i understood the words benjamin speaks in hkf before
the bridge ..."it's so hard when they all have to face
going away"


further i had not heard the term "kind bud" until much
later than 1996, but that may just be my ignorance?


now i'm not trying to say that the group on ani's tour
bus was not partying and smoking pot, i just don't
think hkf references that subject.


off hand, i can think of only two songs which amy
wrote that conjure a notion of drug use... pushing the
needle too far and gone again.  however, i don't
believe either of these songs are directly referencing
drugs.


pushing the needle too far may be an allusion to
iv-drug use, but i interpret that song to be about
people being pushed to personal extremes and think of
the needle maxing out the speedometer on an autombile
as a more appropriate analogy for this song, although
it could be both.


in gone again amy gives a "junkie girl a smile".  amy
used to wear a "lower east side needle exchange"
t-shirt regularly and she probably was promoting a
social message by wearing that shirt.


nonetheless, i don't think the girls have ever used
their platform to reference or promote drug use.  i
would like to her other's opinions.


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i thought amy said, at some point, that this song did refer specifically
to drug use.  anyone?  bueler?


chris


> pushing the needle too far may be an allusion to
> iv-drug use, but i interpret that song to be about
> people being pushed to personal extremes and think of
> the needle maxing out the speedometer on an autombile
> as a more appropriate analogy for this song, although
> it could be both.
>
> in gone again amy gives a "junkie girl a smile".  amy
> used to wear a "lower east side needle exchange"
> t-shirt regularly and she probably was promoting a
> social message by wearing that shirt.
>
> nonetheless, i don't think the girls have ever used
> their platform to reference or promote drug use.  i
> would like to her other's opinions.
>
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nice post aquaspec.  however, i think that they do tend to at least condone pot smoking in their on stage patter. i think it was in anaheim that they talked about wnating to receive pot as gifts from the audience and said something about needing it to make it to australia. they also remarked that they smelled it and it smelled good at a fillmore show i think.


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<<amy used to wear a t-shirt that said lower east side needle exchange>>


she still does......she wore it to the daemon showcase for atlanta harm
reduction center
last august!


great shirt!


barb


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--- chris talbot <talbotc@umich.edu> wrote:
> i thought amy said, at some point, that this song
> did refer specifically
> to drug use.  anyone?  bueler?
>
> chris
>
> > pushing the needle too far


see www.lifeblood.net/lyrics/background/bgpushing.html


"this song deals with alienation and the way we
sometimes numb ourselves to things.  obviously, the
needle suggests a drug analogy, but it's also like the
needle on a meter.  but it's a symbol, not a literal
usage like neil young's 'the needle and the damage
done.'  it's about the things people do to numb
themselves to the pain of their situation."


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lol, she must take very good care of her clothes!
tee heee heee


maybe it's a replacement ;)
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  <<amy used to wear a t-shirt that said lower east side needle =
exchange>>


  she still does......she wore it to the daemon showcase for atlanta =
harm
  reduction center
  last august!


  great shirt!


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i think i just figured out for myself today what
benjamin says on hkf right before the bridge.  i
believe he says, "it's so hard when they all have to
face going away".


i used to think he said something like, "and this is
the part where they get on the bus and go
{somewhere?}".


maybe there are multiple sayings overdubbed?  anyone
buy that?


of course, at the end of the song he says, "see ya
later."


any confirmation or denials? additions?


these spoken words have given me trouble for years.  i
need a resolution. :)


tony


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i wasn't meaning to suggest they were promoting drug
use.  i just think there are some subtle and
not-so-subtle undertones in that song.  it's obviously
about something else on the surface.  like i said, if
it is meant at all i think it is meant as a
double-entendre, and a rather clever one at that.
it's just like amy to do that in a song.


by the way, the term "kind" has been around at least
since the grateful dead.  just listen to "uncle john's
band", which was coincidentally covered by ig.


:)
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at 02:48 pm 12/17/03 -0800, tony fraps wrote:
>i think i just figured out for myself today what
>benjamin says on hkf right before the bridge.  i
>believe he says, "it's so hard when they all have to
>face going away".


it's so hard when they have to pack their things and go away


$400 dollar headphones and several hours of listening to the song one night
in '97 - i came up with that...


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ever wonder where amy gets her tshirts? i found the peace tshirt that
she wore at the december 2002 holiday show at the orpheum in boston
here: http://www.pathumphries.com/shopping.html#shirts


dawna


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>  ----- original message -----
>  from: barbara bordner
>  to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
>  sent: wednesday, december 17, 2003 4:55 pm
>  subject: re: hey kind friend & drug songs
>
>
>  <<amy used to wear a t-shirt that said lower east side needle exchange>>
>
>  she still does......she wore it to the daemon showcase for atlanta harm
>  reduction center
>  last august!
>
>  great shirt!
>
>  barb
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found this useful. got it from another group of traders.


handy postage tip


the routine is as follows.


1. get book of 37cent stamps.
2. get many books of 23cent stamps.


all packages start with 1 37 cent stamp, all additional stamps are
23cents. and it works like this:


number of cd's = number of stamps


4 cd's = 4 stamps. 1st stamp is 37 cents, next 3 are 23cents.


every once in a while i'll put my stuff on the scale at the post
office, just to make sure my math is right, and so far it always has
been.


2 cd's = 60 cents
3 cd's = 83 cents
4 cd's = $1.06
5 cd's = $1.29
etc etc...


if you get to sending bigger batches of disks, like 10 or more, it
might work out that 9 cd's = 8 stamps, or something like that, but as a
general rule, the above formula works great for calculating your own
postage!


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of course, this is all contingent upon what kind of mailer you use and what
type of cd packaging you enclose.  for example, a single slimline cd case
and a single cd in a #1 jiffypak mailer will cost you .83 -- the same as 3
cds below.


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found this useful. got it from another group of traders.


handy postage tip


the routine is as follows.


1. get book of 37cent stamps.
2. get many books of 23cent stamps.


all packages start with 1 37 cent stamp, all additional stamps are 23cents.
and it works like this:


number of cd's = number of stamps


4 cd's = 4 stamps. 1st stamp is 37 cents, next 3 are 23cents.


every once in a while i'll put my stuff on the scale at the post office,
just to make sure my math is right, and so far it always has been.


2 cd's = 60 cents
3 cd's = 83 cents
4 cd's = $1.06
5 cd's = $1.29
etc etc...


if you get to sending bigger batches of disks, like 10 or more, it might
work out that 9 cd's = 8 stamps, or something like that, but as a general
rule, the above formula works great for calculating your own postage!


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if the weight of the number of cds you are sending is more than a thick
paperback book, it might be cheaper to send the package via media mail.  if you
use the 4 digit extension on the zip [http://www.usps.com/zip4/], the package
will get there almost as fast (and sometimes faster) than first class.


anna


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got this from a friend this morning:


"hey guys,


this takes 1.5 seconds to fill out...it's the american family association's
poll on gay marriage which will be presented to congress.


http://www.marriagepoll.com "


when i voted earlier, it was like at 60% against gay marriage.  however my friend voted a few minutes ago, and the numbers seem to be lookin' a bit different.


xoxox


karen


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all that we let in, the new album from the indigo girls comes out in feb!
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"connect the points and see the constellations as the night comes down on the resovoir..." (perfect world -- amy ray)
"we don't believe in war and we don't believe in luck..." (all that we let in -- emily saliers)
"...who knew that paris was such a lonely town; i'll meet you at the bridge where we wanted to kiss; or take the high road and be done with this; i'll give you six more weeks baby just in case..." (heartache -- amy)
"it's just the voices of your past you've fought before, don't you recognize them anymore?" (come on home -- emily)
"you can grow what you want, but one day it's gonna rise up, so plant what you need to make a better stand..." (tether -- amy)
"i heard that you were drunk and mean down at the dairy queen..." (dairy queen -- amy)
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at 01:18 pm 12/18/03 -0500, you wrote:
>got this from a friend this morning:
>
>"hey guys,
>
>this takes 1.5 seconds to fill out...it's the american family association's
>poll on gay marriage which will be presented to congress.


actually - don't vote - it is a very well known anti gay group using this
as a ploy - they are very anti gay - do a search on google.


i only know this as i have seen this earlier.


anyone have the bottom line gig for trade via mp3? email me


happily engaged to be married to my boyfriend jim (same day as my birthday
came the supreme court ruling)
mike r.


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>nonetheless, i don't think the girls have ever used
>their platform to reference or promote drug use.  i
>would like to her other's opinions.


emily once wrote:


"someone's on the bathroom floor
doing her cocaine"


as far as the meaning of "pushing the needle too far" goes, amy once said in an interview that the song to mean both pushing yourself, like maxxing out a car engine or pushing yourself, shooting up too much. she realized the title did have a double meaning.


my opinion, an ig song may reference drug use but i have never gotten the impression that they advocated drug use.


just my 2 cents.


-scott


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actually, what i've heard is that the american family association (which is=
=20
indeed conservative and anti-gay) sent the poll around to "their people"=20
but somehow liberals got ahold of it and now we're passing it around. :d


here's info i got from another list:

<<the american family association <http://www.afa.net/>http://www.afa.net/=
=20
is currently conducting an online poll regarding public opinion about gay=20
marriage, and plan to show their results to congress. when the person who=20
sent this to me took it, it showed that over 75% oppose same-sex marriage=20
and civil unions -- this is dramatically higher than what any other public=
=20
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=20
down to 62%.  we know who they are asking to respond to the poll, but now=20
we know that if enough of us take the poll and pass this message on to=20
others we can have an impact.  wouldn=b9t it be great if the american family=
=20
association conducted a poll and found that 70% of americans support gay=20
marriage?


here is the link:  <http://www.marriagepoll.com>http://www.marriagepoll.com=
>>


so yes, if you care about this issue, do vote!


-jenna


at 02:31 pm 12/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>at 01:18 pm 12/18/03 -0500, you wrote:
>>got this from a friend this morning:
>>
>>"hey guys,
>>
>>this takes 1.5 seconds to fill out...it's the american family=
association's
>>poll on gay marriage which will be presented to congress.
>
>actually - don't vote - it is a very well known anti gay group using this
>as a ploy - they are very anti gay - do a search on google.
>
>i only know this as i have seen this earlier.
>
>anyone have the bottom line gig for trade via mp3? email me
>
>happily engaged to be married to my boyfriend jim (same day as my birthday
>came the supreme court ruling)
>mike r.


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the reason that i posted the poll in the first place is that i heard from two
reliable people that it is legit...


anyway, take a look at the numbers now.  ;)


xoxox


karen


*************
all that we let in, the new album from the indigo girls comes out in feb!
here is a sneak preview:
"connect the points and see the constellations as the night comes down on the
reservoir..." (perfect world -- amy ray)
"we don't believe in war and we don't believe in luck..." (all that we let in
-- emily saliers)
"...who knew that paris was such a lonely town; i'll meet you at the bridge
where we wanted to kiss; or take the high road and be done with this; i'll give
you six more weeks baby just in case..." (heartache -- amy)
"it's just the voices of your past you've fought before, don't you recognize
them anymore?" (come on home -- emily)
"you can grow what you want, but one day it's gonna rise up, so plant what
you need to make a better stand..." (tether -- amy)
"i heard that you were drunk and mean down at the dairy queen..." (dairy
queen -- amy)
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these numbers are meaningless either way since the poll is completely
unscientific.  this poll will have no influence over any kind of policy.


> the reason that i posted the poll in the first place is that i heard from two
> reliable people that it is legit...
>
> anyway, take a look at the numbers now.  ;)


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washington, dec. 17 =e2=80=94 musicians rocked for peace in the 1960's. they=
rocked=20
for africa in the 1980's. now they're rocking for stricter corporate media=20
regulation.and all they are saying is, give radio station ownership caps a=20
chance.in front of an audience of 1,100 on a recent rainy monday night at th=
e=20
cavernous 930 club here, tom morello, former guitarist of rage against the m=
achine,=20
took the stage with musicians like billy bragg, steve earle, lester chambers=
=20
and boots riley. here the raging was mainly against the star of media=20
consolidation, clear channel communications, which since 1996 has grown from=
fewer than=20
40 radio stations to more than 1,200 nationwide."what's happening is that=20
clear channel is a great hulking frankenstein monster gobbling things up," m=
r.=20
bragg told the crowd, a mix of young and not-so-young, many of them urban=20
professionals, briefcases and children in hand.but the real favorites of the=
night=20
were two balding, middle-aged federal communications commission members, who=
=20
joined the musicians and the m.c., janeane garofalo, for the last performanc=
e of=20
a three-week, 13-city tour called tell us the truth, aimed at educating the=20
nation on the perils of media consolidation."this is about radio, tv and who=
=20
owns your newspaper," said one commissioner, michael j. copps. though his st=
age=20
presence and monotone were perhaps more suited to testimony before a=20
congressional committee, the crowd responded with cheers. "we have to make s=
ure the=20
media represents everybody," he said.the audience excitement grew when a fel=
low=20
commissioner, jonathan s. adelstein, wearing a pink button-down shirt and=20
glasses, grabbed a harmonica and joined the guitarists in a jam session.the=20=
two=20
commissioners had vehemently dissented when the f.c.c. voted 3-to-2 in june=20=
to=20
loosen media ownership caps.the washington-commissioner-as-folk-hero is the=20
peculiar byproduct of the battle of media deregulation, a once obscure polic=
y issue=20
that has become a topic of debate on college campuses.some musicians,=20
including the dixie chicks and r.e.m.'s michael stipe, have been outspoken o=
n the=20
issue. they argue that consolidation of recording labels and radio stations=20=
has=20
homogenized music across the country and stifled free expression. musicians=20=
say=20
that it is becoming more difficult for new artists to break into the=20
mainstream and that the quality of music is suffering. musicians have been=20
increasingly active in complicated debates over media ownership, labor and c=
opyright law=20
since 1998, when many realized that their own interests were not necessarily=
=20
aligned with those of the recording industry.the recording industry associat=
ion=20
of america had convinced congress to tuck a small clause into copyright law=20
that would give recording labels the rights to songs in perpetuity instead o=
f=20
having them revert back to the artists. that galvanized musicians, prompting=
=20
them to form a lobbying group, the recording artists' coalition. "if you wan=
t to=20
differentiate with pre-1998, it's that the artists realized that collectivel=
y=20
they needed more," said jay rosenthal, a lawyer for the coalition. "they=20
realized that they needed something on a political structure level, rather t=
han as=20
a fight between the singular artist and their label."the musicians got the=20
clause repealed in a year, a surprisingly short time in a city that often=20
measures legislation over multiple two-year congressional sessions.since the=
n=20
musicians have become more politically sophisticated in the rituals of washi=
ngton.=20
musicians, including don henley and sheryl crow, have testified in front of=20
congress. hundreds of musicians signed a letter to the f.c.c. urging that it=
not=20
loosen the limits on radio conglomerates. the future of music coalition, a=20
nonprofit advocacy group, commissioned a widely cited report showing how med=
ia=20
consolidation has hurt the diversity of radio programming across the country=
.=20
this contradicted the conclusions drawn by a similar f.c.c. study.=20
   =20


some musicians say they feel under attack for expressing their views, in=20
music or in person. mr. morello said he became riled when he obtained a list=
of=20
150 restricted songs that a local radio station manager supposedly sent to c=
lear=20
channel stations after sept. 11, 2001. "it's an overt act of censorship=20
directly tied to media consolidation," mr. morello said. the list included n=
ena's=20
anti-nuclear song "99 luft balloons" and john lennon's "imagine."


clear channel denies that it has any policy to restrict music. "there was no=
=20
corporate-issued list," said kim hulse, a spokeswoman for clear channel.=20
"that's not the way the company works." she said that rage against the machi=
ne=20
songs were played 800 times on the 1,200 or so clear channel stations in the=
two=20
weeks after sept. 11.=20


during the war in iraq, cox radio and cumulus, two other radio conglomerates=
,=20
banned the dixie chicks from member stations after natalie maines, a member=20
of the group, said she was ashamed to be from the same state as president bu=
sh.


"what happened to my clients is perhaps the most compelling evidence that=20
radio ownership consolidation has a direct negative impact on diversity of=20
programming and political discourse over the public airwaves," simon renshaw=
, the=20
dixie chicks' manager, said at a senate committee hearing in july. at the sa=
me=20
hearing, cumulus's chief executive, lewis dickey, said the company's station=
s=20
had merely been responding to listener demand.


mr. riley, a rapper, said he could not get other musicians to speak out=20
against the iraqi invasion. "they were, like, 'the radio will ban my songs,'=
and=20
the truth is, we couldn't say, 'you are wrong,' " he said.=20


mr. riley blames consolidation for what he describes as a dearth of politica=
l=20
music. "not only does it change the artists that get out there, but it=20
changes the art that gets out there," he said.=20


only a handful of artists are active on music policy issues. still, members=20
of congress and commissioners say the influence of musicians can be felt, ev=
en=20
against the backdrop of corporate lobbying. when the f.c.c. loosened=20
regulations on ownership of newspapers and television stations in june, for=20=
example, it=20
left the rules for radio largely in place. mr. adelstein of the f.c.c. said=20
that the future of music study and other artists' efforts were partly=20
responsible. in an interview after the concert, mr. adelstein said, "the f.c=
.c. study=20
that was otherwise being used was basically blown out of the water."


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of course not....it's just fun to turn their little game around on them.


-jenna


at 11:15 pm 12/18/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>these numbers are meaningless either way since the poll is completely
>unscientific.  this poll will have no influence over any kind of policy.
>
> > the reason that i posted the poll in the first place is that i heard
> from two
> > reliable people that it is legit...
> >
> > anyway, take a look at the numbers now.  ;)
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do vote.  it does matter.  i also received information that this group was
going to present the results to congress.  so.....


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let them.  even our most ignorant public servants know the difference
between a scientifically selected sample and an internet "poll."  there
is no way anyone could cite these numbers as any kind of representation of
anything but the opinions of those who "opted in."  i agree that it is fun
to thwart the efforts of any conservative group, but the only numbers that
anyone will really pay attention to are those that have been generated by
a true random sampling method.


on fri, 19 dec 2003, sally s. smith wrote:


> do vote.  it does matter.  i also received information that this group was
> going to present the results to congress.  so.....
>
> indigoindy
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i have to admit that you have more confidence in our public servants than i
do.  i have written, emailed and called my local "servants" regarding same-sex
marriage.  i have never been acknowledged.  if these folks are so hell bent on
discriminating against us they may lock on to anything.  it won't hurt to
take these internet polls, however unscientific.  and, hee hee, it is kind of fun.


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i was thinking about this today when i was browsing through tons of
(mostly really bad) holiday music looking for something that was
singable, yet fresh.  so i thought, "what would i want on such an
album?"  of course the fist thing was an album from the indigo
girls.  lol!!  so, what songs (either traditional holiday, music from
their repitoire or other music) would you want on such an album?

michelle
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mean the most not to mean the things i miss"
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i'd love to hear amy and em do a rendition of "grandma got run over by a
reindeer," complete with harmonica and banjo.


more traditionally speaking, i'd love to hear them do a version of the
"coventry carol."


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i was thinking about this today when i was browsing through tons of (mostly
really bad) holiday music looking for something that was singable, yet
fresh.  so i thought, "what would i want on such an album?"  of course the
fist thing was an album from the indigo girls.  lol!!  so, what songs
(either traditional holiday, music from their repitoire or other music)
would you want on such an album?

michelle
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omg!  victoria, we think alike.  i was just thinking of how much fun an ig
rendition of "grandma got run over by a reindeer" would be.


a few more:


"feliz navidad" because i love hearing amy sing in spanish.  ;)


"rudolph the red nosed reindeer" because it would be hilarious to hear them
harmonize on that.  ;)


do y'all have michelle malone's "swingin' christmas in the attic"?  i
normally hate christmas music, but i always enjoy listening to mm jazz it up at
eddies.


xoxoxo


karen


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"connect the points and see the constellations as the night comes down on the
reservoir..." (perfect world -- amy ray)
"we don't believe in war and we don't believe in luck..." (all that we let in
-- emily saliers)
"...who knew that paris was such a lonely town; i'll meet you at the bridge
where we wanted to kiss; or take the high road and be done with this; i'll give
you six more weeks baby just in case..." (heartache for everyone -- amy)
"it's just the voices of your past you've fought before, don't you recognize
them anymore?" (come on home -- emily)
"you can grow what you want, but one day it's gonna rise up, so plant what
you need to make a better stand..." (tether -- amy)
"i heard that you were drunk and mean down at the dairy queen..." (dairy
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"carol of the bells" sung a cappella with danielle howle and rose polenzani.


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i'd like to hear them do three part harmony with nanci griffith on "winter wonderland."


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any chance anyone in or around toronto is going to the horseshoe tavern =
to see the skydiggers/cash brothers christmas show either tonight or =
tomorrow???  i don't know if they've got a policy on booting or not, but =
i'd sure like to get a boot of the show, if anyone is going, and if =
they're booting, and if it's allowed, and if y'all want to share (can =
you tell i really want this??? - oh what a christmas it'd beeeee)


peace,
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how about joni mitchell's "river."  :-)


lauren


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i'd love to hear "baby it's cold outside"...


"i believe that what you give is what you get, but what i gave i haven't
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i just voted, and it's 40% against, 8% civil unions, the rest for
marriage.


there's a link from their website's front page, so it's not like it was a
secret link, i'm just sure they expected they'd get more of "their" people
answering it than us.


wonder if they'll still present the results to congress. :p


on thu, 18 dec 2003, karen r. wrote:


> the reason that i posted the poll in the first place is that i heard from two
> reliable people that it is legit...
>
> anyway, take a look at the numbers now.  ;)
>
> xoxox
>
> karen
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> all that we let in, the new album from the indigo girls comes out in feb!
> here is a sneak preview:
> "connect the points and see the constellations as the night comes down on the
> reservoir..." (perfect world -- amy ray)
> "we don't believe in war and we don't believe in luck..." (all that we let in
> -- emily saliers)
> "...who knew that paris was such a lonely town; i'll meet you at the bridge
> where we wanted to kiss; or take the high road and be done with this; i'll give
> you six more weeks baby just in case..." (heartache -- amy)
> "it's just the voices of your past you've fought before, don't you recognize
> them anymore?" (come on home -- emily)
> "you can grow what you want, but one day it's gonna rise up, so plant what
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> "i heard that you were drunk and mean down at the dairy queen..." (dairy
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the cover art for all that we let in is up at
http://www.indigogirlsonline.com , http://www.indigovortex.com , and i uploaded it to my webspace at
http://hometown.aol.com/indigokare/images/allthatweletinart.jpg


what do y'all think?


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"connect the points and see the constellations as the night comes down on the
reservoir..." (perfect world -- amy ray)
"we don't believe in war and we don't believe in luck..." (all that we let in
-- emily saliers)
"...who knew that paris was such a lonely town; i'll meet you at the bridge
where we wanted to kiss; or take the high road and be done with this; i'll give
you six more weeks baby just in case..." (heartache for everyone -- amy)
"it's just the voices of your past you've fought before, don't you recognize
them anymore?" (come on home -- emily)
"you can grow what you want, but one day it's gonna rise up, so plant what
you need to make a better stand..." (tether -- amy)
"i heard that you were drunk and mean down at the dairy queen..." (dairy
queen -- amy)
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ummmmm... "happy christmas/war is over"! that would be great!


anyway, in your quest for singable-yet-fresh holiday music, i'd also like
to point out that rose polenzani has another free holiday mp3 this year!
it's silver bells - go to http://www.rosepolenzani.com and click on
listening room. it's delightful!


on fri, 19 dec 2003, michelle leifur wrote:


> i was thinking about this today when i was browsing through tons of
> (mostly really bad) holiday music looking for something that was
> singable, yet fresh.  so i thought, "what would i want on such an
> album?"  of course the fist thing was an album from the indigo
> girls.  lol!!  so, what songs (either traditional holiday, music from
> their repitoire or other music) would you want on such an album?
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> michelle
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> mean the most not to mean the things i miss"
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ummmmm... "happy christmas/war is over"! that would be great!


the girls sang this last year at the "holiday show"
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in a word, blech.


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i'm with you.  definitely my least favorite.

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in a word, blech.

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i'm kinda embarrassed about this...


it's like they didn't even really make an effort. is it supposed to be
'profound' or something? i'm not getting it...


nonetheless, i'm really excited for my copy anyway.


: )

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karen wrote
>the cover art for all that we let in is up at >http://www.indigogirlsonline.com , http://www.indigovortex.com , and i uploaded it to my webspace at >http://hometown.aol.com/indigokare/images/allthatweletinart.jpg >
>what do y'all think? > >:-
i thought of the tightrope we are all constantly walking between a healthy planet (green trees) and the oil/arms/multinationals (industrial piping) - fits with what we know ig believe in, but just a thought...

peace,
eileen


>from: "karen r." >reply-to: indigokare@aol.com >to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org >subject: cover artwork for all that we let in >date: sat, 20 dec 2003 03:24:27 est > >the cover art for all that we let in is up at >http://www.indigogirlsonline.com , http://www.indigovortex.com , and i uploaded it to my webspace at >http://hometown.aol.com/indigokare/images/allthatweletinart.jpg > >what do y'all think? > >:-) karen > >************* >all that we let in, the new album from the indigo girls comes out in feb! >here is a sneak preview: >"connect the points and see the constellations as the night comes down on the >reservoir..." (perfect world -- amy ray) >"we don't believe in war and we don't believe in luck..." (all that we let in >-- emily saliers) >"...who knew that paris was such a lonely town; i'll meet you at the bridge >where we wanted to kiss; or take the high road and be done with this; i'll give >you six more weeks baby just in case..." (heartache for everyone -- amy) >"it's just the voices of your past you've fought before, don't you recognize >them anymore?" (come on home -- emily) >"you can grow what you want, but one day it's gonna rise up, so plant what >you need to make a better stand..." (tether -- amy) >"i heard that you were drunk and mean down at the dairy queen..." (dairy >queen -- amy) >************* > >-- >do not quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the list. >indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq: >http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig

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i like it.

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i was surprised to see the cover art, and i quickly realzed it's because
(as far as my little brain can remember without going and checking) all of
their previous album covers have been photographs, usually of the girls
themselves. so this is a serious departure from their previous style. for
what it is - looks like it would be in a well done graphic novel, perhaps
- i think it's a beautiful piece of art. i dunno as i feel like it matches
the words "all that we let in", but i'd also like to see all of the
packaging (back cover, cd booklet) as well as hear the studio recording
before passing judgement as to whether or not it's "good" or "bad".
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they have done four cds with plain photos on the cover; strange fire, rop,become you, and their eponymous cd. nis had sort of an artistic rendering of their faces, sos had those creepy dolls, and cons had that creepy girl.


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the cover art on rop was plain?  hm. interesting....especially after i
notice that
amy painted her face with these little doo-
dads......anyway.......getting onto atwli!


um....i don't know what to make of it....did
you notice amy's walking through the zapatista's? (not to say if it's
good or bad.)
i wonder what it means....but it's a lot better
than like say sots, cons!


i guess i like the new cover art because it's
different, it's bright and colorful, i don't like that
emily is missing though.....it could have been
both of them drawn onto that log or whatever
she's on.   i don;t know.......i'm 50/50 either way.


one question....if they could just  do a simple,
non-airbrushed picture like on indigo girls i.e.


oh well.  i guess it is what it is and forever shall
it be.

peace all l!!! and for those leaving to go see families and whatever
this christmas.....have
a wonderful, very merry merry christmas.
and happy new year!

barb


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i kinda like it.  i mean, it is definitely a departure
from previous cover art, but the image is pretty cool.
then again, who am i to judge?  i actually liked that
creepy girl on cons.  really, i did.


anyone heard if this will be a jewel case or one of
those cardboard things?  maybe a limited run of
cardboard things and then later a jewel case?  that
seems to be the usual path they take.


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> i don't like that
> emily is missing though.....it could have been
> both of them drawn onto that log or whatever
> she's on.   i don;t know.......i'm 50/50 either way.


i don't think that's necessarily supposed to be amy, though. for one
thing, the woman on the cover has no arm tattoo. for another, her face
doesn't really look like amy's. and for a third thing, amy's been really
skinny lately, and this woman has more curves. i think it's nobody in
particular.


personally, i really like the artwork. love the font, too.


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well, it sure looks like her to me...judging by weight, and whether or
not she's wearing that
tatoo? that just tells me that cartoonist overlooked   a detail or
/two.....maybe the
picture was done a few years ago?


anyhow it definitely is amy.


peace


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you're sure? is there some interview that mentions that it is? i just
don't think it looks much like her at all, except for the dark hair.


on sun, 21 dec 2003, barbara bordner wrote:
> anyhow it definitely is amy.


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in a message dated 12/21/03 1:17:53 am eastern standard time,
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> well, it sure looks like her to me...judging by weight, and whether or
> not she's wearing that
> tatoo? that just tells me that cartoonist overlooked   a detail or
> /two.....maybe the
> picture was done a few years ago?
>
> anyhow it definitely is amy.
>
>


that is your opinion.  i also feel that it is probably not her but a
composite sketch/cartoon of an "average" woman.


<<i don't like that
emily is missing though.....it could have been
both of them drawn onto that log or whatever
she's on.>>


i believe the log is an oil pipe line and with the fir trees in the
background this makes me think of the battle whether or not to drill in the artic
national wildlife refuge.  the us needs oil but then again we also need the beauty
of the pristine wilderness that anwr provides.  symbolic of the whole world's
energy needs/crisis.

indi


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i like it, it's kind of hip, looks like a grrrrl's comic or something. very
college-y, indie, kind of looks like something they'd put out if they were
just starting out, or like something ani would do. i don't think that's
amy, or if it is it doens't really look like her. looks like a younger
woman, like someone in her late teens or early twenties. i don't get the
sense of it being a tightrope between industrial and nature, though that's
an interesting thought. looks to me sort of like a woman whose on the edge
though, that's for sure.


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i love the cover art! it definitely looks like something from a grrl comic or
graphic novel. i agree that the drawing is just supposed to represent the
average girl, trying to balance the modern world and nature. this is probably my
second-favorite cover ever, the first being nis. it looks kinda hip.  my least
favorite cover, by the way, is cons. yuck.  anybody else?


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my initial reaction was "yuck."  but after looking at it for a while, i have
to admit, i'm totally diggin' it now.  it's different, but for me, it is a
welcomed change (i did not dig the art for by, cons, or even sots, so i kind of
expected not to like this one...).


also, i kind of swing both ways on whether the woman is supposed to be amy.
i think, like many ig songs, it is open for interpretation.  and until it is
stated somewhere that it is amy, i strongly disagree that it "has to be amy."


anyway, the cover art has grown on me.  the studio version of perfect world
has not (and probably never will).


xoxoxo


karen


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all that we let in, the new album from the indigo girls comes out in feb!
here is a sneak preview:
"connect the points and see the constellations as the night comes down on the
reservoir..." (perfect world -- amy ray)
"we don't believe in war and we don't believe in luck..." (all that we let in
-- emily saliers)
"...who knew that paris was such a lonely town; i'll meet you at the bridge
where we wanted to kiss; or take the high road and be done with this; i'll give
you six more weeks baby just in case..." (heartache for everyone -- amy)
"it's just the voices of your past you've fought before, don't you recognize
them anymore?" (come on home -- emily)
"you can grow what you want, but one day it's gonna rise up, so plant what
you need to make a better stand..." (tether -- amy)
"i heard that you were drunk and mean down at the dairy queen..." (dairy
queen -- amy)
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my first reaction when i saw it was that it made me think of the animated
film, "spirited away"=2e  not sure why, but it did=2e


amy p=2e


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i like the cover art too! it surprised me because it's so cool! it's =
gonna
make great lookin t-shirts! i just hope they print it on black
t-shirts...that would rock! take care y'all & merry christmas!!!!!


mandy (in oklahoma)


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