lifeblood: listlogs: 2003-12d


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date:         mon, 22 dec 2003 08:50:04 -0600
reply-to:     "kovacs, mirinda" <mirinda.kovacs@thomson.com>
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hey guys, you may want to check out the bio at that site too.  it's updated
and really very good.  lots of discussion about the new cd.
:)
mi rinda

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subject: cover artwork for all that we let in


the cover art for all that we let in is up at
http://www.indigogirlsonline.com , http://www.indigovortex.com , and i
uploaded it to my webspace at
http://hometown.aol.com/indigokare/images/allthatweletinart.jpg

what do y'all think?

:-) karen

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all that we let in, the new album from the indigo girls comes out in feb!
here is a sneak preview:
"connect the points and see the constellations as the night comes down on
the
reservoir..." (perfect world -- amy ray)
"we don't believe in war and we don't believe in luck..." (all that we let
in
-- emily saliers)
"...who knew that paris was such a lonely town; i'll meet you at the bridge
where we wanted to kiss; or take the high road and be done with this; i'll
give
you six more weeks baby just in case..." (heartache for everyone -- amy)
"it's just the voices of your past you've fought before, don't you recognize
them anymore?" (come on home -- emily)
"you can grow what you want, but one day it's gonna rise up, so plant what
you need to make a better stand..." (tether -- amy)
"i heard that you were drunk and mean down at the dairy queen..." (dairy
queen -- amy)
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date:         mon, 22 dec 2003 11:19:11 est
reply-to:     indigokare@aol.com
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from:         "karen r." <indigokare@aol.com>
subject:      re: cover artwork for all that we let in
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in a message dated 12/20/2003 5:01:02 pm pacific standard time,
ritesofpassage9@webtv.net writes:
um....i don't know what to make of it....did
you notice amy's walking through the zapatista's? (not to say if it's
good or bad.)
nope.  i didn't notice that.  i did, however, notice the cartoon character (i
am still undecided whether or not it's supposed to be amy) walking through on
some piping through a forest.

xoxoxo

kren :-)

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all that we let in, the new album from the indigo girls comes out in feb!
here is a sneak preview:
"connect the points and see the constellations as the night comes down on the
reservoir..." (perfect world -- amy ray)
"we don't believe in war and we don't believe in luck..." (all that we let in
-- emily saliers)
"...who knew that paris was such a lonely town; i'll meet you at the bridge
where we wanted to kiss; or take the high road and be done with this; i'll give
you six more weeks baby just in case..." (heartache for everyone -- amy)
"it's just the voices of your past you've fought before, don't you recognize
them anymore?" (come on home -- emily)
"you can grow what you want, but one day it's gonna rise up, so plant what
you need to make a better stand..." (tether -- amy)
"i heard that you were drunk and mean down at the dairy queen..." (dairy
queen -- amy)
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date:         mon, 22 dec 2003 08:30:07 -0800
reply-to:     juliana smith <monkeemaidjules@yahoo.com>
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hey guys,

i'm digging all this conversation about the new album cover but my browser is a nazi and won't allow me somehow to scroll down and see the whole picture.  i only get the top half, with amy on the piping.  if anyone has any way of sending me the pic via email, or a link to where the picture is on another site-perhaps epic is messing with me here-lemme know, i don't wanna miss out on this!  ok, peace and love and happy almost/during holidays!


~juliana

"part of emily is saying, 'we're working hard, and now you just shot us in the foot.' but i feel like we're shut out of that (rolling stone) anyway, so why not go out in a blaze of glory?" ~amy (indigo girls) discussing emily's reaction to "lucystoners".

"overload the ruler with information and [he'll] kill you just to simplify things."
-hagrid discussing ogres to harry potter in "the order of the phoenix (think about bush when you read this...)

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date:         mon, 22 dec 2003 12:11:08 -0500
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ummm, ... what do you suppose is the significance of the backwards n's
in indigo and in???
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date:         mon, 22 dec 2003 12:19:50 -0500
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hi all -
i just was listening to democracy now about two women who have been
together for 15 years, suing for the right to get married - they have 2
kids and grandkids - this totally made sense to me until -
they said they were worried about "visitation rights" at a hospital - now
correct me if i am wrong - isnt a form signed by two witnesses (such as the
one @ www.hrc.org) or say, a lawyer drafting one up fairly simple to do? i
know there are issues when same sex couples bear children and the wait for
adoption, but i thought that visitation was actually a pretty easily legal
barrier to overcome -

am i wrong?

i mean - i'm glad dn put the issue on the air (now when amy does a dis
rights issue, that will be a real change, but i digress) but there are 100
better reasons to illustrate the need for same sex marriage - am i being
overly critical, or am i waaay off.  if i am way off, please inform me - so
my partner and i have reasonable protections.

thanx

mike r.

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date:         mon, 22 dec 2003 09:55:29 -0800
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hi mike,

i think you are way off - i could be wrong, but it was
my understanding that the state laws and the hospital
policies itself override any signed "form" that was
witnessed by two other people.  for all i know, i may
be way off, but i would not leave something as
important as hospital visitation rights up to the
discretion of hospital policies.  i want actual ,
recognized legal rights, which include hospital
visitiation, among other things.  basically, i want
the same rights that are afforded by marriage to a
heterosexual couple - why the heck should i have to
incur legal attorney fees to ensure the same rights
that marriage would afford?  i don't think i want to
settle for being a second class citizen because i am
homosexual - do you?   can you imagine the fuss made
if straight couples didn't have the same rights that
we want?

elaine


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>  or am i waaay off.  if i am way
> off, please inform me

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date:         mon, 22 dec 2003 14:33:59 -0500
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hey new englanders...the river (92.5) boston area just played perfect =
world.  the promo said new music and  bob stuart hasn't come back on the =
air to talk about it yet...but they've got it!!!

peace,
jen

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date:         mon, 22 dec 2003 14:39:36 -0500
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subject:      bottom line closing :(
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/a20144-2003dec21.html

appears that the nyc bottom line may be closing.  =20

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date:         mon, 22 dec 2003 16:38:02 est
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elaine and folks..you are quite right. the durable power of attorney can in
fact be overridden by the hospitals ...if they want to...however...the paper
work for this as well as domestic partnerships is becoming more and more visible
within the health care industry.

i am not just saying this because i work in healthcare---the business end.
and not just because my wife also works in health care----cardiac nurse for the
mayo clinic hospital and not just because we are a loving lesbian couple with
a now ten yr old girl.

but, because we did in fact have all of our paperwork signed and witnessed by
two folks. and we had it notarized. we also sent it into the state recorders
office where by it was filed and is on record with the state that our wishes
are known. fr any medical, legal, anything reason.

if you go these further steps, not just witnessed----but have it notarized
and then file with the state you stand a much better chance with the
administrations of hospitals, legal issues and all issues surrounding and child(ren)
within the union.

from having had several life threatening surgeries myself, and my wife listed
as our daughters guardian in the even that something happen to me, to
visiting g within the hospital after visiting hours.....just like they allow spouses
of heterosexual marriages....we have been very lucky within the state of
arizona..in that we have not run into any opposition or if we ran into a bit of
it...showing the persons in charge our state registered lil paper with the docket
number and the governors signature on it...they relaxed a whole bunch.   and
you have to remember, az just began recognizing martin luther king day a few
years back when they found out their chance to have a superbowl here actually
hinged on this acceptance.

so, should we be treated just as married heterosexual couples.heck yes.
should we be able to file income taxes together...yes.

but, it is slow in coming....but it is coming and i firmly believe this.
so for right now, what we can do is have everyone follow the same steps that
j and i did. get the paperwork( it can be downloaded from a multitude of
sites, as well as in some areas picked up in your superior courts self help area.
but, if everyone follows these steps, gets all the things, power of attorney,
durable power of attorney, medical pofa, guardianship of child(ren), and a
bunch more you can do....and file them with your state....things will be easier.


okay..sparkie going back to her hole ..still looking for a job....help me!!!

bye bye...take care.
sparkie

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date:         mon, 22 dec 2003 16:41:53 -0500
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11=e2=80=9118=e2=80=9103
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indigo girls
11/18/03
anaheim, ca at the grove
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taper: lisa07l573@aol.com
location: front section up against the back wall, just amy=e2=80=91side o=
f center
source: sp=e2=80=91spsm=e2=80=911 > sp=e2=80=91spsb=e2=80=916 (rolloff @ =
107hz) > sharp md=e2=80=91mt180
transfer by justin: mds=e2=80=91jb940>esi=e2=80=91u2a>g4=e2=80=91usb>spar=
kle>aiff>soundapp>wav
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notes:
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chickenman cut slightly at the beginning due to disc swap.
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disc one
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1. intro
2. hammer and a nail
3. reunion
4. power of two
5. ozilline*
6. fill it up again
7. perfect world
8. collecting you
9. i don't wanna know*
10. watershed
11. yield
12. all that we let in
13. heartache for everyone
14. closer to fine
15. land of canaan
16. virginia woolf
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disc two
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1. chickenman/bitterroot* (cut)
2. ghost
3. shame on you*
4. cordova
5. galileo
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* =3d w/ michelle malone =20

so if you want it, let me know.  i hope to be able to handle all the take=
rs.  if not, i'll send out pleas for help.  i do need to rent a little we=
b space for the liner.  if anyone can, let me know that too.
merry holiday all :)
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date:         mon, 22 dec 2003 14:18:20 -0800
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i came across this site today and it sums up the whole b&p thing pretty
well, for anyone wondering.  plus, it even has pictures for those of us who
need a visual.  it's just a how-to site.  you won't be getting any free
music here.

http://www.mcnichol.com/bnp

for anyone who has ever done a b&p offer, you'll be sure to get at least one
chuckle from the link at the bottom that says, "how to avoid b&p offers".

kari

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date:         mon, 22 dec 2003 16:02:39 -0700
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i've never had any problem visiting anyone i want at the hospital.  but i
guess that could be a thing specific to hospitals.

g.

p.s.
i'm not seeing amy in the new album cover art at all.  i don't think i
would have ever even wondered whether it were her had this list not been
debating it.


on mon, 22 dec 2003, marysnshne wrote:

> hi mike,
>
> i think you are way off - i could be wrong, but it was
> my understanding that the state laws and the hospital
> policies itself override any signed "form" that was
> witnessed by two other people.  for all i know, i may
> be way off, but i would not leave something as
> important as hospital visitation rights up to the
> discretion of hospital policies.  i want actual ,
> recognized legal rights, which include hospital
> visitiation, among other things.  basically, i want
> the same rights that are afforded by marriage to a
> heterosexual couple - why the heck should i have to
> incur legal attorney fees to ensure the same rights
> that marriage would afford?  i don't think i want to
> settle for being a second class citizen because i am
> homosexual - do you?   can you imagine the fuss made
> if straight couples didn't have the same rights that
> we want?
>
> elaine
>
>
> --- michael reynolds <mike@uppity-disability.net>
> wrote:
> >  or am i waaay off.  if i am way
> > off, please inform me
>
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>
>                            ~ dar williams ~
>
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it's about more than "visiting" someone in the hospital. it is about being with your partner in areas where only immediate family is allowed, like the intensive care unit, emergency room, etc.
i've been fortunate that hospitals have not denied me from being with my partner, and vice versa, but there are stories where things have been difficult if not impossible.
yes, you can have myriad papers drawn up to "take care of this" in many respects, but in an *emergency,* you are thinking of the emergency, not necessarily where the papers are kept. the need for marriage is that our rights would be automatic.
and hospital stuff is only one area that would be affected. it's everything from survivor benefits (pensions, property, etc.) to whether you can get the family plan at the gym, your car insurance, your wireless company, etc. as rosie o'donnell, a new member of the pro-marriage bandwagon crowd, discovered in her trial, because she and her partner are not married, their conversations are not privileged communication, as a husband's and a wife's would be.
the possibilities are nearly endless!
deb

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hey friends (hi deb),

i may have posted this at the time it occurred, but it bears repeating in the light of the current discussion.  kristi martel is a wonderful singer-songwriter, and also a good friend who stayed here for several days during her last tour.  i had just secured a couple of dates for her planned tour with her partner littlebird when i got a serious of heart-rending emails.  then a week later, she sent the message below to her mailing list...

all the best of the season to all the kind friends i've made through this list...

peace, love and music,
tim

hello friends and fans,


i have horrible news.


my partner, littlebird, was found dead about 300 yards south of lands
end in san francisco on friday.  i don't even know what to say...


she was missing for over 2 days when friends of hers found her in her
favorite place to climb, by the ocean.  it's gorgeous there.  she had
never brought me there but i knew that's where she'd be.  i tried so
hard to find her but couldn't.  i am devastated.  we wanted to be
together forever.  we had just affirmed that the morning before she
left.


so then...  there is everything else since then.  her family doesn't
respect our relationship.  we hadn't yet filed for domestic
partnership, so i had no legal protection.  i was not legally next of
kin.  the family came to our home and took everything they could.  it
was horrible.  i feel raped.  even some of her friends came here to act
like vultures.


i am grieving hard and have amazing friends around me all the time.
they couldn't believe how strong and calm i was in the face of such
disrespect.


thanks to everyone who's given me support through this.  there is a
memorial service on sunday at 3pm at mcc sf 150 eureka st in the
castro.  i will be planning my own private memorial service as well.
also, tomorrow there is a funeral being held in richmond va, her
hometown.  her family didn't tell me about the funeral because they
didn't want me there, but some of you on the east coast may want to
attend...


i don't even know what to say.  it's just so hard.  i wanted you all to
know because i've been telling you all about littlebird for so long and
many of you have seen us perform our music together.  please keep me
and littlebird in your prayers.


this of course is changing my plans.  we were about to tour through the
southwest and across the country together in october and november and
to move to ri together in december.  i will still move to ri, but the
timing and route is unclear.  i may not tour this fall at all.  i will
of course continue touring as soon as i can get on with my life.  but i
am trying to give myself plenty of time to grieve my sweetheart,
friend, lover, music partner, life partner and soulmate, littlebird.


many blessings,
kristi


ps - go say something about my life with littlebird here.  they are
shutting me out and i can't even bare to look, but you can tell them
about me...

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date:         mon, 22 dec 2003 10:18:17 -0500
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now, cover art of amy and emily walking through a bunch of zapatistas
certainly would've been interesting, to say the least -- but i certainly
don't see any zapatistas on the cover of all that we let in ... perhaps
hiding behind one of the trees or underneath the pipeline?  ;)

i really don't think the woman is supposed to be amy (did i already post
this).  it doesn't look like her at all.

i think it is cool that the updated sony site has clips of every song on
their previous albums available to download.

victoria

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the cover art on rop was plain?  hm. interesting....especially after i
notice that amy painted her face with these little doo-
dads......anyway.......getting onto atwli!

um....i don't know what to make of it....did
you notice amy's walking through the zapatista's? (not to say if it's good
or bad.) i wonder what it means....but it's a lot better than like say sots,
cons!

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artistic license and nothing more.

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ummm, ... what do you suppose is the significance of the backwards n's in
indigo and in???
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yes it is.  the show ig just played there was part of their "play to stay"
benefit series.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/a20144-2003dec21.html

appears that the nyc bottom line may be closing.

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i just looked at the cover art.  i am surprised that some folks seem to
think it is amy.  other than the brunette hair, there really isn't much to
suggest that it is amy at all.  it sure doesn't look like her ... the
clothes aren't even very "amy-ish"  -- would amy dare cuff her jeans?  ;)

victoria

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victoria heckler writes:
<<i certainly don't see any zapatistas.>>


go back to the picture, to the left, and right of amy(? or "the woman on
the pipe") they are
those black figures, i know they look more like tanks but if you look
more closely there is a teeny lttle white space where the eyes would be
located.  that's  what leads me to think that  they are indeed
zapatistas......also i note that
that the hair on "amy's" head looks  alittle bit like she did in
1997....the year she and emily both went to a (two week) organizing camp
put on by the zapatistas.

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yeah, zapatistas complete with pressure valves sticking out of their heads
and a couple of gauges for eyes.  i guess with a little imagination and
really poor eyesight (or a tab of lsd), i can see how they might appear to
be zapatistas, but it is really a stretch -- and given the big fat pipeline
in the middle of the picture, i think the logical deduction would be that
they are tanks of some sort.  and i bet if you play track 7 backwards, you
can hear amy saying "viva zapatista!"


victoria

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victoria heckler writes:
<<i certainly don't see any zapatistas.>>


go back to the picture, to the left, and right of amy(? or "the woman on the
pipe") they are those black figures, i know they look more like tanks but if
you look more closely there is a teeny lttle white space where the eyes
would be located.  that's  what leads me to think that  they are indeed
zapatistas......also i note that that the hair on "amy's" head looks
alittle bit like she did in 1997....the year she and emily both went to a
(two week) organizing camp put on by the zapatistas.

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they have teeth.

selaraaaaaaa!

barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net> wrote:
victoria heckler writes:
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go back to the picture, to the left, and right of amy(? or "the woman on
the pipe") they are
those black figures, i know they look more like tanks but if you look
more closely there is a teeny lttle white space where the eyes would be
located. that's what leads me to think that they are indeed
zapatistas......also i note that
that the hair on "amy's" head looks alittle bit like she did in
1997....the year she and emily both went to a (two week) organizing camp
put on by the zapatistas.

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you crack me up!  hey victoria...nothing like a bit of backmasking to get a message across.  yepah!

"<victoria heckler>" <victoria.heckler@ppfa.org> wrote:yeah, zapatistas complete with pressure valves sticking out of their heads
and a couple of gauges for eyes. i guess with a little imagination and
really poor eyesight (or a tab of lsd), i can see how they might appear to
be zapatistas, but it is really a stretch -- and given the big fat pipeline
in the middle of the picture, i think the logical deduction would be that
they are tanks of some sort. and i bet if you play track 7 backwards, you
can hear amy saying "viva zapatista!"


victoria

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go back to the picture, to the left, and right of amy(? or "the woman on the
pipe") they are those black figures, i know they look more like tanks but if
you look more closely there is a teeny lttle white space where the eyes
would be located. that's what leads me to think that they are indeed
zapatistas......also i note that that the hair on "amy's" head looks
alittle bit like she did in 1997....the year she and emily both went to a
(two week) organizing camp put on by the zapatistas.

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> that's  what leads me to think that  they
> are indeed zapatistas......

i don't have the full picture of the cover art.  i'm
only getting half of it, then on the other half of the
screen i get that text about the album.  could maybe
someone send me the url of the full picture?  would
that make a difference or is the problem with my
browser?  then i could play the zapatista yes or
zapatista no game.

thanks - happy holidays to all

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and when one also takes into consideration the before mentioned backward
n's, i think we can only come to one conclusion: paul is dead.

happy holidays folks.

deb

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>
> yeah, zapatistas complete with pressure valves sticking out of their
heads
> and a couple of gauges for eyes.  i guess with a little imagination
and
> really poor eyesight (or a tab of lsd), i can see how they might
appear to
> be zapatistas, but it is really a stretch -- and given the big fat
> pipeline
> in the middle of the picture, i think the logical deduction would be
that
> they are tanks of some sort.  and i bet if you play track 7 backwards,
you
> can hear amy saying "viva zapatista!"
>
>
> victoria

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at 10:05 am 12/23/03 -0600, dreiser wrote:
>and when one also takes into consideration the before mentioned backward
>n's, i think we can only come to one conclusion: paul is dead.

rotfl!!!!!

mike r.

(or amy likes nine inch nails???)

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well...i don't think its amy- she doesn't seem like the type to wear capris
:)

and i liked cons cover- it reminds me of they might be giant's john henry.

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ok, so we've come to the conclusion that we have different views on what's going on in the cover art.  but what do you think the theme of the promo photo shoot will be like?
become you was self-portrait,
cons was the place with all the stuff by the river
sots was deserty
so was the crazy room with the tapped pieces
rop was the black and white make up stuff
well, you get the idea.
so what will teh all that we let in pictures be like?
i think there'll be pine trees.
anyone?

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i don't really have any insightful ideas on what will be included in the photo shoot, but at the nyc show at the bottom line, they did mention that they had been doing a photo shoot all day.

yes, but i am thinking something with pine trees too.

xoxoxo

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"connect the points and see the constellations as the night comes down on the resovoir..." (perfect world -- amy ray)
"we don't believe in war and we don't believe in luck..." (all that we let in -- emily saliers)
"...who knew that paris was such a lonely town; i'll meet you at the bridge where we wanted to kiss; or take the high road and be done with this; i'll give you six more weeks baby just in case..." (heartache for everyone -- amy)
"it's just the voices of your past you've fought before, don't you recognize them anymore?" (come on home -- emily)
"you can grow what you want, but one day it's gonna rise up, so plant what you need to make a better stand..." (tether -- amy)
"i heard that you were drunk and mean down at the dairy queen..." (dairy queen -- amy)
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pine trees and mountains and lakes.  well, a lot of the promo shots for cons
were in nature, too.

i like that song, all that we let in.  i am so glad that i got to see the
indigo girls this year.

happy holidays, and even though i haven't gotten around to getting a boot
this year, i just want to thank all the people on this list who boot the
shows, take time to copy/burn/distribute cd's, or host the shows with space
on the internet--thank you!!  i finally got around to having my brother burn
the bremen, germany show from last year on a cd--so awesome.

love, diane

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pine trees?  mountains?  lakes?  didn't they do this shoot in new york city?
how about garbage, homeless people, and junkies?

:)
victoria

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is being offered exclusively on www.indigovortex.com

check it out!

victoria


the set list is as follows:

disc one:
1. get out the map
2. shame on you
3. power of two
4. become you
5. fill it up again
6. perfect world
7. deconstruction
8. go
9. mystery
10. i don't wanna know
11. free in you

disc two:
1. dairy queen
2. virginia woolf
3. ozilline
4. come on home
5. yield
6. wood song
7. starkville
8. closer to fine
9. the times they are a-changin'
10. chickenman/bitterroot
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in the strangest of places if you look at it right..."
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date:         wed, 24 dec 2003 11:22:02 -0500
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http://www.bonster.com/indigo/2003fillmore.html

the liners for the anaheim 11-18-03 show (along with recent others) are n=
ow on the web, courtesy of bon :)

merry christmas all!! :)  =20

jude get more from the web.  free msn explorer download : http://explorer=
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at 11:22 am 12/24/03 -0500, jude hunter wrote:
>http://www.bonster.com/indigo/2003fillmore.html
>
>the liners for the anaheim 11-18-03 show (along with recent others) are
>now on the web, courtesy of bon :)
>
>merry christmas all!! :)

jude - as a semi- descent graphic designer - wow

that's some of the best cover art i've seen in ages - of any artist
(certainly best ig stuff in a long long time)

jude - you rock!

bonster - email me - i need your address !

mike r.

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agree

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subject: re: all that we let in photo shoot ?


pine trees?  mountains?  lakes?  didn't they do this shoot in new york
city? how about garbage, homeless people, and junkies?

:)
victoria

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are there any guitar players in the dc area who would like to get together
occasionally and jam? i've been playing for almost a year now and would
love to find others who are interested in maybe a once a month get
together. please reply privately.

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anyone have any ides what happened to this?


>
> november 4, 2002
>
> greetings -
>
> amy and emily are going to release a "rarities"
> record in 2003.  the
> plan is to collect obscure, hard to find, out of
> print recordings that
> are of particular interest to fans.  i am in the
> process of collecting
> songs now and am thinking you all may have some good
> ideas.  if you do,
> send me an email at  igfan@mindspring.com
> (referenced rarities) and i
> will add your idea to our list.  look for both a new
> studio album and
> the "rarities" record in 2003.
>
> happy holidays -
>
> russell d. carter
>


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as of about a month ago, the official word is sometime before summer 2004.

jer


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it's still in the works.  they're just staggering it with the new album
release.

lauren

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view the new official ig site at www.indigogirls.com !

i like it, it's so much brighter looking than the beige color it was
before.

other than that not much is different but just thought i'd share.


peace
barb

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who knew that albums had biographies? this is from the newly revamped
indigogirls.com (there's a mention of the rarities album too!)

amy m.

indigo girls - all that we let in

after over two decades and eight studio albums together, amy ray and emily
saliers, known to their legion of fans as indigo girls, have played
thousands of shows. they've operated within the music industry, without ever
being a product of that industry, gaining the respect of their peers, not to
mention an extremely loyal fanbase. it's an audience that most artists would
envy: one that eagerly awaits new music from the duo, and greets older songs
like old friends. fans often go to multiple shows per tour, and never leave
the gig until the final note rings out, and the house lights go on.
regardless of which way the pop culture breezes are blowing, who is topping
the pop charts, who is dominating fashion magazine covers, or who is getting
played on the radio, indigo girls' concert experience remains a constant.
catch a show in any given city in america and you will understand the
meaning of an enduring artist-audience bond and it has been developed
without marketing gurus, corporate tie-ins or spin doctors. indigo girls
have thrived through flirtations with the mainstream as well as when the
media spotlight was pointed elsewhere. but one recent show - on august 14,
2003 at the central park summerstage in new york city - truly revealed
volumes about the duo and their relationship with their fans.

you may recognize the date: it was the day that manhattan, along with much
of the northeastern united states and canada, lost all electrical power.
it's safe to say that the scheduled concerts in the affected areas did not
go on as planned. acts were either unwilling, or unable, to perform without
power.

not so for indigo girls: all that they required to play as scheduled was a
small generator and a request for everyone to get a bit closer to the stage.
even that might cause problems for other artists: asking fans to cram even
closer together, on a muggy evening. but indigo girls fans respect each
other, just as they respect amy and emily .

so the show went on, at least until sundown. (neither indigo girls nor
security wanted the fans to try to make their way through a pitch-dark
central park at night). other than the brevity of the set and the temporary
power source, it was an indigo girls show, "as usual," meaning an
unpredictable set list with old favorites and songs yet to be recorded.
alongside some of their better known songs ("become you," "galileo," "closer
to fine"), they introduced some tunes from their next album, "fill it up
again" and "dairy queen." most artists with a two-decade plus history have a
hard time keeping audience interest when they play new songs; few would even
dare to play as-yet-unreleased material, for fear of a mass-restroom exodus.
again, not so with the girls. while the rest of the city was wondering when
the power would go on, the temporary denizens of central park were wondering
how long they'd have to wait before the release of the new indigo girls
album.

the wait is over with all that we let in. the credits on the new album are
similar to those of 2002's become you. the indigo girls returned to tree
sound studios in georgia, and, again, used producer peter collins and the
core band of keyboardist/multi-instrumentalist carol issacs, bass player
clare kenny and drummer brady blade. not that the girls don't embrace
change: for the first time, amy - who up to this point, played strictly
rhythm guitar - started taking some solos. "i'm learning to play lead," she
says. "when i hear something in my head, i want to play it the way i hear
it," adding, inaccurately, "i'm not a very good guitar player."

meanwhile, saliers, who has played dobro, banjo, bouzouki, classical guitar,
piano and hurdy gurdy and guitar on prior albums, made her mandolin and
high-string guitar debuts on the). she points out, with typical humility, "i
have an aptitude for stringed instruments."

of the eleven songs on all that we let in, six were written by emily, five
by amy. emily's "fill it up again" kicks off the album. an empowering and
upbeat song, saliers explains "it's about a relationship gone sour, and one
person says, 'i'm out of here!' it's about someone taking your strength and
power from you, and then you say 'i'm not going to do this anymore.'"
combining matters of the heart with her innate environmental concerns, she
compares her partner to "the hole in my sky, my shrinking water supply," to
which she comments, "it's fun to take something like the ozone layer and
compare it to a relationship!" but she muses, "i guess it's appropriate
sometimes."

amy's "heartache for everyone" has a two-tone ska feel and was originally
intended for her second solo album. "i was thinking of the clash, i listen
to them a lot. they way i would have done it with one of my punk backing
bands would have been similar, but maybe a bit more raw." the yearning in
the lyrics are raw enough: "i'll give you six more weeks, just in case, you
can change your mind, you won't be replaced/ are we looking at a lifetime of
regret, or just one little moment that we'll never forget."

emily follows that up with a much happier relationship song, "free in you."
"it's just a straight up love song. it takes into account all our
insecurities. and how someone can love you even through those. and how when
you find the right person, it's just like breathing. it's just a
straight-ahead love song."

on first single "perfect world," amy balances concern as a global citizen
with having fun in her personal life. "it's about having a good time, and
not paying attention to what's going on in the world. and then realizing
that you can't do that. you have a responsibility to be accountable."

the title track, written by emily, had a tragic beginning: "i started that
song after losing an activist friend in a car accident and being devastated.
and dealing with that loss. it's a positive song in the end; i am optimistic
by nature."

"tether," by amy, would be a staple on classic rock radio if the format
played new music, that is. featuring the aforementioned duel guitar leads by
amy and emily, it also features vocals by joan osborne. joan, one of the
most distinctive and powerful vocalists alive, currently splits her time
between her solo career and singing in the dead, but she made time to lay
down vocals on this song as well as "rise up" and "heartache for everyone."
she also sang on four songs on 1999's come on now social. as emily points
out, "she blends my and amy's voices together in a way that's unique to the
three of us."

emily's "come on home" is unusually dark. "it involves betrayal, a person
who runs, a person who 'enables'. there is nothing positive about that song
at all!" amy follows that with "dairy queen," an unusually upbeat breakup
song: "the love you gave was not for free, but the price was truly fair." it
concludes with ray admitting, "i love you, more and more."

"something real" sees emily in a nostalgic mood. "it took me ten years to
call you back, but here we are today," she tells her friend. "so life has
brought you this, two marriages and three kids/you're as sweet as you ever
were, the slight sickness of regret, washes over me and in the end that's
all i get." it may well stand as emily's most poignant moment as a lyricist.

amy's "cordova" is even more melancholy, and has been about five years in
the making. about a few of amy's fellow activists in the native american
community, by the time the song was completed, three of them had,
tragically, passed away. "it seems revolution and relationships go hand in
hand," she says. "you're working so closely together and then you fall in
love, but you don't know if you're falling in love with the person or the
revolution. the human dynamics of the revolution fascinate me. there's lots
of human frailty. it's not perfect."

emily's "rise up" ends the album on a very upbeat note, fueled by carol
isaacs's rollicking elton-esque piano ("i had elton in mind," emily says).
the girls sing, in unison, "rise up your dead, there's life in the old girl
yet." to apply the song to the not-very-old indigo girls, if this album is
any indication, there's lots of life yet, and lots of ground still to cover.

they plan to hit the road this spring, doing a string of dates in their
acoustic duo format (although anyone who attends their shows knows that
guests, both famous and otherwise, frequently grace the stage at indigo
girls concerts - there are usually at least three vocal mikes set up on
their stage, just in case). after that, they'll pack up the band and do a
larger scale tour in the summer. expect to see voter registration booths and
tabling on issues such as environmental justice at the venues. and, after
that, they plan on releasing their long-talked about album of rarities - the
track list will be made largely based on suggestions from fans. then, amy
may release her second solo album, and emily is considering doing her first.
after that, another indigo girls record and tour. it'll be "business as
usual," so to speak - more songs to augment their already-packed catalog,
and more concert dates to reconnect with the older fans and to meet new
ones. they've been going that way for about two decades, and they've got a
few more left in them.

a post-script to the story that began this bio: despite the fact that they
performed during the blackout, the indigo girls returned to central park to
"make-up" their abbreviated show on october 1st. this time, the autumn chill
replaced the heat, humidity, and blackout-caused stress. the crowd was
treated to a 20-plus song set, including nearly half of all that we let in,
as well as songs spanning the duo's career, and a cover of bob dylan's "the
times they are a-changin'." it's true, the times do change, pop culture is
always evolving, music tastes ebb and flow, but one of the few constants in
rock and roll is that when the indigo girls play a show, or put out a
record, their fans will still be there - regardless of trends in the
industry, weather conditions, or yes, even power outages.

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date:         sat, 27 dec 2003 15:05:01 -0600
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excuse me but i can't find the part about the rarities cd, could you let
me know what it says
and where i can locate it in the post?

thanks!

barb

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re: rarities

here:

"they plan to hit the road this spring, doing a string of dates in their
acoustic duo format (although anyone who attends their shows knows that
guests, both famous and otherwise, frequently grace the stage at indigo
girls concerts - there are usually at least three vocal mikes set up on
their stage, just in case). after that, they'll pack up the band and do a
larger scale tour in the summer. expect to see voter registration booths and
tabling on issues such as environmental justice at the venues. and, after
that, they plan on releasing their long-talked about album of rarities - the
track list will be made largely based on suggestions from fans. then, amy
may release her second solo album, and emily is considering doing her first.
after that, another indigo girls record and tour. it'll be "business as
usual," so to speak - more songs to augment their already-packed catalog,
and more concert dates to reconnect with the older fans and to meet new
ones. they've been going that way for about two decades, and they've got a
few more left in them."

xoxox

karen
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all that we let in, the new album from the indigo girls comes out in feb!
here is a sneak preview:
"connect the points and see the constellations as the night comes down on the resovoir..." (perfect world -- amy ray)
"we don't believe in war and we don't believe in luck..." (all that we let in -- emily saliers)
"...who knew that paris was such a lonely town; i'll meet you at the bridge where we wanted to kiss; or take the high road and be done with this; i'll give you six more weeks baby just in case..." (heartache for everyone -- amy)
"it's just the voices of your past you've fought before, don't you recognize them anymore?" (come on home -- emily)
"you can grow what you want, but one day it's gonna rise up, so plant what you need to make a better stand..." (tether -- amy)
"i heard that you were drunk and mean down at the dairy queen..." (dairy queen -- amy)
*************

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hi there,

you had asked to be notified when i had any new concert
posters/artifacts in stock or special sales.  if you are on both my
general list and a particular artist list you may receive a few of
these notices.  supplies are limited...

tina turner:
http://www.concertposters.com/artifact.asp?postfile=tina2

tina turner:
http://www.concertposters.com/artifact.asp?postfile=tina7

indigo girls:
http://www.concertposters.com/artifact.asp?postfile=indigo2

ray davies:
http://www.concertposters.com/artifact.asp?postfile=raydav1

tom jones:
http://www.concertposters.com/artifact.asp?postfile=tjones1

pat metheny:
http://www.concertposters.com/artifact.asp?postfile=patm1

matchbox twenty:
http://www.concertposters.com/artifact.asp?postfile=mbox6

kid rock:
http://www.concertposters.com/artifact.asp?postfile=kid1

melissa etheridge:
http://www.concertposters.com/artifact.asp?postfile=meleth8

rolling stones:
http://www.concertposters.com/artifact.asp?postfile=rstone14

yes:
http://www.concertposters.com/artifact.asp?postfile=yes2

joe satriani:
http://www.concertposters.com/artifact.asp?postfile=jsat1

hall & oates:
http://www.concertposters.com/artifact.asp?postfile=hoates13


remember if you do not want to be on the general mailing list but would rather be notified only about a particular artist(s) please let me know.

thanks for your support and have a great holiday season...

david cutter
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hey,

i was listening to kfog, the only half decent sf area radio station, and
there was an ad for tomorrow's acoustic sunrise program (6am pst).  anyway, the dj
announced that there'd be a new year's something or the other from ig.  i'm
wondering if it was something they recorded at the fillmore in nov.  i am going
to *try* to record it (no gurantees since the program starts at 6am!), but
you can listen online at http://www.kfog.com .  (or if you are in the area,
104.5)  again, i'm not sure what this is -- i just heard a two second
advertisment.

xoxoxo

karen

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all that we let in, the new album from the indigo girls comes out in feb!
here is a sneak preview:
"connect the points and see the constellations as the night comes down on the
reservoir..." (perfect world -- amy ray)
"we don't believe in war and we don't believe in luck..." (all that we let in
-- emily saliers)
"...who knew that paris was such a lonely town; i'll meet you at the bridge
where we wanted to kiss; or take the high road and be done with this; i'll give
you six more weeks baby just in case..." (heartache for everyone -- amy)
"it's just the voices of your past you've fought before, don't you recognize
them anymore?" (come on home -- emily)
"you can grow what you want, but one day it's gonna rise up, so plant what
you need to make a better stand..." (tether -- amy)
"i heard that you were drunk and mean down at the dairy queen..." (dairy
queen -- amy)
*************

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  "...melissa etheridge husky..."???


from www.dallasnews.com

music and spirit in harmony

secular and sacred: indigo girls' emily saliers and her dad explore
similar social justice themes

04:02 pm cst on friday, december 26, 2003

by susan hogan/albach / the dallas morning news

atlanta   don saliers directs emory university's graduate program in
sacred music. his daughter, emily, is co-founder of indigo girls, the
folk pop duo.

he sings in church halls, she's heard in concert halls.

on a recent night, father and daughter were making their first
presentation together on music and spirituality, a passion they share.
the location was a packed conference room in a downtown hotel.

their audience: hundreds of theologians and religion scholars   a tweed
jacket, crepe-sole crowd whose usual idea of a fun night out might be a
trip to the library.

"among other things tonight, he's well-known as emily's father," the
emcee said when introducing dr. saliers.

but for many in this heady crowd, the professor was the bigger name.

"this is great," ms. saliers said as she strapped on an acoustic guitar.
she sang "hammer and a nail," a song about putting beliefs into actions,
one of the many indigo girls hits with a social justice theme:

gotta get out of bed get a hammer and a nail

learn how to use my hands, not just my head

dr. saliers, a united methodist minister, told the audience his
daughter's music may not be written for church, but that it touches many
listeners every bit as much spiritually as hymns do for churchgoers.

"are you aware of the power your music evokes?" he asked her.

ms. saliers, who sung in church choirs growing up, said her songs often
appeal to people who feel excluded by the church. as a lesbian, it's a
feeling that she, too, has experienced.

"these are pop songs, but maybe they can have the same effect as sacred
music," ms. saliers said. "we're all human beings yearning for
community. some people can't find it in the church."

although the lyrics to her songs are often spiritual, she said she's
conflicted about how to identify her own spirituality. she draws on her
christian upbringing, but from other traditions, too.

dr. saliers, 66, the son of a jazz musician, is a distinguished
liturgical scholar, author, keyboardist and choirmaster. students say he
keeps them attentive by sometimes singing parts of his lectures.
colleagues describe him as caring and witty.

"theologians know his work, but so do lay audiences   he has that
touch," said stephen marini, a religion professor at wellesley college
near boston. "he's a great personality and intellect. everybody responds
to him."

ms. saliers, 40, and her music partner amy ray, have been crafting songs
together for more than two decades. but the grammy-winning duo didn't
become well known until 1989, with the release of their best known hit,
"closer to fine."

their eighth project, moment of forgiveness, comes out in january.

"they exist almost in a parallel universe to mainstream commercial
music, ignored by radio and mtv, defiantly untrendy, appealing to a
passionately committed core audience ...," wrote their hometown
newspaper, the atlanta journal-constitution.

indigo girls haven't topped the charts in years, but their concerts are
sellouts. the stage is a platform for the duo's social and political
activism. they oppose nuclear weapons and the war in iraq. they champion
native american rights.

women's rights, too. ms. saliers said she shudders that the music
industry pressures women to sell records by wearing skimpy clothing.

"i object to that because i find it inherently sexist," she said. "i
wear flannel shirts on stages. there's not much a marketer can do with
that. we can only sell records based on our music."

the saliers recently teamed for a book that's due out in july: a song to
sing, a life to live. "we explore particular themes   music and grief,
music and justice, music and the search for god   but always from the
standpoint of crossing over between so-called sacred and secular
standpoints," dr. saliers said.

social justice themes are prevalent in many church hymns, too, he said.

harmonies are a hallmark of indigo girls' music. on this night, ms.
saliers' singing partner was her father.

her voice was melissa etheridge husky, his was mel torme smooth.

as he played an electronic keyboard, she sang the words of psalm 138 to
one of his musical compositions.

"search me o god and know my heart," she sang, her hand outstretched, as
if toward heaven.

listeners found the moment more prayerful than performance. ms. saliers,
too, was visibly moved.

"it makes you a lot more nervous to be singing for the lord than singing
in a bar," she said. then, turning to her father, she added:

"thanks, dad."

e-mail shogan@dallasnews.com

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thanks diane for the post! i couldn't be there so it's nice to read
about what went on.....now...
about the author? basically just another writer who doesn't do his
homework.

according to him the ig's eighth project is moment of forgiveness, and
(get a load of this) it comes out in january! and emily's book
comes out in july(? amazon.com still says the release date is in march.
so can someone check? i don't know where they got that, but
that scares me to think about waiting that long.)

peace all,

barb

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i just received an email from american family,
over 600,000 people have voted, and it shows
that civil unions are favored.....while this may sound good, i don't
think it's enough....

so if you haven't voted you can still do so at www.marriagepoll.com

my .02

barb

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i know "melissa etheridge husky"?! what the hell! i have never in the 12
years i've been listening to the girls, heard emily sound "melissa etheridge
husky" oh god when will str8 writers stop using gay cliche's!!!!!! hee hee ,
no offense to str8 people on the list...........take care!

mandy (in oklahoma)
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>   "...melissa etheridge husky..."???
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sent: sunday, december 28, 2003 7:19 pm
subject: re:guitar players in the dc area/or okc area?


well i don't live in the dc area but i do share your plite, i am a rythym
guitarist lookin for a band to jam with in the oklahoma city area
anyone.....anyone?


mandy

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hey there...well i have lived in the dc area and in okc (tulsa, perkins,
pawnee,cleveland,and many more spots in ok) ....


but i am now in glendale arizona.....and i too would be looking for folks to
play music with. i have been in and out ...pretty much when needed in three
area celtic groups, one eyed fiona, the clarevouyants, and then mcmurrows.....\


but it is not a regular gig.

so...i'll chime in .....phoenix, peoria glendale, az anyone????


sparkie..who has finally succumbed to the dreaded influenza......

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