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date:         mon, 29 dec 2003 00:21:35 -0600
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subject:      nigc karen aisiu  please email me!
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thanks!

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date:         mon, 29 dec 2003 10:20:27 -0500
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i saw the new movie "monster" and i thought it was pretty good.

i wouldn't consider this a full fledged recommendation but i thought the film was well acted and well made for the most part.

this film stars charlize theron as the executed serial killer aileen wuornos and christina ricci as her younger lover. although the movie is very depressing at times, and wuornos is not always the most sympathetic character, it is was still a pretty good movie. theron is almost unrecognizable as the same actress/model that appeared in movies like "the italian job" and "sweet november" but she does look a lot like wuornos. her performance was first rate. ricci is also good in her role as well.

it is nice to see lesbian relationships on the screen, but does every lesbian relationship movie have to have crime and killings and trips through the legal system? i wish i could see more films like "desert hearts" instead of more films like this one and "boys don't cry". that is why i can't quite recommend the film but see it and decide for yourself.

-scott

p.s. this sunday, showtime debuts the new lesbian ensemble drama series "the l-word." advance buzz says it is pretty good. it stars jennifer beals ("flashdance") and laurel holloman (randy from "...two girls in love) as partners. don't forget.

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date:         mon, 29 dec 2003 15:51:05 est
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hey all,
i am reading this way after the fact, but i also agree about being " waaaaay
off base"!
my partner of almost 4 yrs and i just bought a house in nh (exactly 2 wks
after the ruling in ma took place....go figure) and we are not allowed to have
one car ins policy, nor are we allowed to file joint income tax, and we are to
make sure we have specific documents to insure in the event of either of
getting sick we have filled out medical proxy forms, and if heaven forbid one of us
dies, we have to have special insurance so that our legal "next of kin"
doesn't try to take the dead partner's
half" of the house! so yes, we live in a really fucked up society that is
allowed such open, and blatant discrimination of same sex couples. like it or not
we are here, and i am pretty sure we are going any where.....except maybe to
canada!!

take care,

janet

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date:         tue, 30 dec 2003 13:14:51 +0000
reply-to:     susmarine@comcast.net
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from:         susan marine <susmarine@comcast.net>
subject:      the l word
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...actually debuts on jan 18th, not this sunday, as scott reported. should be interesting!

sus
> there are 3 messages totalling 75 lines in this issue.
>
> topics of the day:
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>   1. nigc karen aisiu  please email me!
>   2. nigc: i saw "monster"
>   3. sigc - gay rights question
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> date:    mon, 29 dec 2003 00:21:35 -0600
> from:    barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
> subject: nigc karen aisiu  please email me!
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> thanks!
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> date:    mon, 29 dec 2003 10:20:27 -0500
> from:    subcityii@aol.com
> subject: nigc: i saw "monster"
>
> i saw the new movie "monster" and i thought it was pretty good.
>
> i wouldn't consider this a full fledged recommendation but i thought the film
> was well acted and well made for the most part.
>
> this film stars charlize theron as the executed serial killer aileen wuornos and
> christina ricci as her younger lover. although the movie is very depressing at
> times, and wuornos is not always the most sympathetic character, it is was still
> a pretty good movie. theron is almost unrecognizable as the same actress/model
> that appeared in movies like "the italian job" and "sweet november" but she does
> look a lot like wuornos. her performance was first rate. ricci is also good in
> her role as well.
>
> it is nice to see lesbian relationships on the screen, but does every lesbian
> relationship movie have to have crime and killings and trips through the legal
> system? i wish i could see more films like "desert hearts" instead of more films
> like this one and "boys don't cry". that is why i can't quite recommend the film
> but see it and decide for yourself.
>
> -scott
>
> p.s. this sunday, showtime debuts the new lesbian ensemble drama series "the
> l-word." advance buzz says it is pretty good. it stars jennifer beals
> ("flashdance") and laurel holloman (randy from "...two girls in love) as
> partners. don't forget.
>
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> date:    mon, 29 dec 2003 15:51:05 est
> from:    emliz92@aol.com
> subject: re: sigc - gay rights question
>
> hey all,
> i am reading this way after the fact, but i also agree about being " waaaaay
> off base"!
> my partner of almost 4 yrs and i just bought a house in nh (exactly 2 wks
> after the ruling in ma took place....go figure) and we are not allowed to have
> one car ins policy, nor are we allowed to file joint income tax, and we are to
> make sure we have specific documents to insure in the event of either of
> getting sick we have filled out medical proxy forms, and if heaven forbid one of
> us
> dies, we have to have special insurance so that our legal "next of kin"
> doesn't try to take the dead partner's
> half" of the house! so yes, we live in a really fucked up society that is
> allowed such open, and blatant discrimination of same sex couples. like it or
> not
> we are here, and i am pretty sure we are going any where.....except maybe to
> canada!!
>
> take care,
>
> janet
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> end of indigo-girls digest - 28 dec 2003 to 29 dec 2003 (#2003-373)
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date:         tue, 30 dec 2003 13:16:07 +0000
reply-to:     susmarine@comcast.net
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from:         susan marine <susmarine@comcast.net>
subject:      the "l" word on showtime

...actually debuts on january 18th, not this sunday, as scott suggested. should be interesting!

sus

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date:         tue, 30 dec 2003 14:01:34 +0000
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subject:      comcast's home page

check it out :)

http://www.comcast.net/home.html

right now, it's featuring the girls and a link to 'perfect world'. it changes hourly tho....

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date:         tue, 30 dec 2003 18:35:34 -0600
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someone posted a link to a radio stations website that you could go to =
to hear the new song? can someone repost that link.

thanks.

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date:         tue, 30 dec 2003 19:38:33 est
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you can download it at portland's kink.  (heheh, yes, that is the name of the
station)

http://kink.fm/news_more.php?id=310_0_2_0_m.

xoxoxo

karen :-)

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all that we let in, the new album from the indigo girls comes out in feb!
here is a sneak preview:
"connect the points and see the constellations as the night comes down on the
reservoir..." (perfect world -- amy ray)
"we don't believe in war and we don't believe in luck..." (all that we let in
-- emily saliers)
"...who knew that paris was such a lonely town; i'll meet you at the bridge
where we wanted to kiss; or take the high road and be done with this; i'll give
you six more weeks baby just in case..." (heartache for everyone -- amy)
"it's just the voices of your past you've fought before, don't you recognize
them anymore?" (come on home -- emily)
"you can grow what you want, but one day it's gonna rise up, so plant what
you need to make a better stand..." (tether -- amy)
"i heard that you were drunk and mean down at the dairy queen..." (dairy
queen -- amy)
*************

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date:         tue, 30 dec 2003 20:02:35 est
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subject:      kfog's listener poll results... gooooo ig!!!
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hey y'all,

a while back, i posted that in kfog's (san francisco) annual "best of" poll,
the indigo girls shows at the fillmore was a choice for "best concerts of the
year."  anyway, the results are in and ig came in #8 beating rem and norah
jones!  you can view the complete results here:
http://www.kfog.com/albumtool/2003concerts.html

xoxox

karen

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all that we let in, the new album from the indigo girls comes out in feb!
here is a sneak preview:
"connect the points and see the constellations as the night comes down on the
reservoir..." (perfect world -- amy ray)
"we don't believe in war and we don't believe in luck..." (all that we let in
-- emily saliers)
"...who knew that paris was such a lonely town; i'll meet you at the bridge
where we wanted to kiss; or take the high road and be done with this; i'll give
you six more weeks baby just in case..." (heartache for everyone -- amy)
"it's just the voices of your past you've fought before, don't you recognize
them anymore?" (come on home -- emily)
"you can grow what you want, but one day it's gonna rise up, so plant what
you need to make a better stand..." (tether -- amy)
"i heard that you were drunk and mean down at the dairy queen..." (dairy
queen -- amy)
*************

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date:         wed, 31 dec 2003 08:06:45 -0500
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i had to share this.

this weekend i spent sometime w/family members who have always been a source of pain for me. i had more than my share of anticipatory stress and anxiety about being w/them.  i decided that i was going to enjoy my own company, regardless of how they treated me.

while i was playing a game w/one of them, wxrv was on (not my house-i rarely listen to the radio)and "perfect world" came on, playing the perfect song at the perfect time!  it's my favorite new song, and i haven't yet heard it on the radio.  it felt so significant to hear it when i was with these people.  it kind of made me feel that whatever happened, it would be ok.

the visit ended up being the best one i've ever had with this family.

i'll bet there are many of us who have heard ig come through at significant times.

feeling very grateful for ig,
rena

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date:         wed, 31 dec 2003 07:44:46 -0700
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here is a discussion of a more scientifically valid poll... bad news
unfortunately.

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december 21, 2003

strong support is found for ban on gay marriage
by katharine q. seelye and janet elder

the latest new york times/cbs news poll has found widespread support for
an amendment to the united states constitution to ban gay marriage. it
also found unease about homosexual relations in general, making the issue
a potentially divisive one for the democrats and an opportunity for the
republicans in the 2004 election.

support for a constitutional amendment extends across a wide swath of the
public and includes a majority of people traditionally viewed as
supportive of gay rights, including democrats, women and people who live
on the east coast.

attitudes on the subject seem to be inextricably linked to how people view
marriage itself. for a majority of americans  53 percent  marriage is
largely a religious matter. seventy-one percent of those people oppose gay
marriage. similarly, 33 percent of americans say marriage is largely a
legal matter and a majority of those people  55 percent  say they support
gay marriage.

the most positive feelings toward gay people were registered among
respondents under 30, and among those who knew gay people.

the nationwide poll found that 55 percent of americans favored an
amendment to the constitution that would allow marriage only between a man
and a woman, while 40 percent opposed the idea.

the findings come after the highest court in massachusetts ruled 4 to 3
last month that same-sex marriage was permissible under the state's
constitution. that ruling followed a 6-to-3 decision in late june by the
united states supreme court striking down antisodomy laws.

president bush had been noncommittal about a constitutional amendment
immediately after the massachusetts ruling, with the administration
worried that support for a ban on gay marriage would alienate moderate
voters. but last week mr. bush for the first time voiced his support,
saying, "i will support a constitutional amendment which would honor
marriage between a man and a woman, codify that."

the statement signals the white house's increasing confidence that it can
exploit the matter in the presidential campaign, both to energize its
evangelical supporters and to discredit the eventual democratic nominee.

most of the democratic candidates oppose gay marriage but favor civil
unions. howard dean, who is leading in the polls for the democratic
nomination, signed a law when he was governor of vermont allowing civil
unions, an action that republicans have already used to portray him as too
liberal for mainstream america.

the court rulings generated extensive publicity and concern, not only
about same-sex marriage but also about having the courts set social
agendas that have not been approved by the legislative process.

"we have found that the more people focus on it, the less they support
it," said the rev. lou sheldon, chairman of the traditional values
coalition, which strongly opposes gay marriage and is working actively for
a constitutional ban.

the times/cbs news poll was conducted from dec. 10 through dec. 13 in
telephone interviews with 1,057 people. it carries a margin of sampling
error of plus or minus three percentage points. responses about gay rights
tend to be influenced somewhat by the wording of the questions.

this poll and other surveys show that as the courts have extended legal
rights to gays this year, americans have become increasingly uncomfortable
with same-sex relations.

for decades, a majority of americans have not approved of homosexual
relations. that had begun to change, until the supreme court ruling in
june and the massachusetts ruling in november. a new york times/cbs news
poll conducted in july found that 54 percent of respondents said
homosexual relations should be legal. only 41 percent of the respondents
in the latest poll said they should be legal.

richard waters, 71, a retired elementary school teacher in little valley,
n.y., and a republican, said in a follow-up interview to the poll that he
strongly supported a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

"i think any kind of amendment that says 'you shall not' will help," mr.
waters said. "i just don't think it's right for two men to go parading
around in public or for two women to be doing the things they do. it's
against god's law. that's right in the bible that it's wrong."

theresa eaton, 49, a financial analyst in corona, calif., and also a
republican, agreed.

"i still believe that marriage should be between a man and woman," she
said. "if i knew that we had a neighbor who was gay, i would not let my
nieces and nephews go close by there. i don't want to accept their
lifestyle. it can be acquired and it is not right."

the poll also found that by a 61-34 margin, americans oppose gay marriage.
they are slightly more accepting of civil unions to give gays some of the
same legal rights as married couples, with 54 percent opposed to civil
unions and 39 percent supportive.

the massachusetts ruling also gave new impetus in congress to sponsors of
a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. an amendment, which would
require passage by two-thirds of the house and senate and three-fourths of
the states, would override any state court ruling or legislation.

representative marilyn musgrave, republican of colorado, who introduced a
constitutional amendment in the house in may, said on friday that she had
106 co-sponsors. the companion measure in the senate still has only a
handful of supporters.

"homosexual activists have known that they're not going to get their way
in the legislative arena, and they shopped around for activist judges,"
ms. musgrave said. "but if the definition of marriage is to be changed, it
should be done by the american people, not four judges in massachusetts."

her measure would ban gay marriage. some gay rights groups say its
language is ambiguous on civil unions, but she said on friday that her
intent was to allow states to conduct civil unions but not let them be
recognized in other states.

at the moment, only vermont allows civil unions. in california, a domestic
partnership bill giving gay couples limited rights is to go into effect in
2005, but it is under threat of a legal challenge.

some groups on the religious right who are eager for a constitutional ban
on gay marriage said ms. musgrave's measure did not go far enough. mr.
sheldon, for one, said his group was seeking to ban civil unions and
domestic partnership laws as well as same-sex marriage.

he said his group and others were lobbying president bush to assert in his
state of the union address in january that he will also seek a ban on
civil unions and domestic partnership laws. the groups are preparing to
flood the white house with e-mail messages on the subject.

jan larue, counsel to concerned women for america, a conservative
religious policy organization, said her group was involved in a public
education campaign on "why marriage is important and needs to be
protected." she added, "we are part of a broad coalition that is using
bumper stickers, newspaper ads, articles on our web sites and assisting
with amicus briefs."

gay rights groups expressed dismay with the poll results but said they
doubted that a constitutional amendment would pass the initial stage
through congress.

"the republican house leadership is having its own internal fight to
determine what to do," said winnie stachelberg, political director of the
human rights campaign.

"there is no consensus among conservatives, libertarians and republicans,"
she said. "many of them say they don't support marriage for same-sex
couples, but to amend the constitution for social issues is a very bad
idea."

the last time the constitution was amended for social purposes was in
1920, when alcohol was outlawed, but that prohibition was repealed in
1933.

sanford levinson, a constitutional expert at the university of texas law
school in austin, said it was extremely hard to amend the constitution. if
the ban on gay marriage passed the house and senate, he said, opponents
could stop it by getting the support of one house of the legislature in
just 13 states.

mr. levinson said president bush's support was "a free pass" because he
probably knows how difficult it would be to get through congress, let
alone through 38 states.

"the idea is for bush to throw red meat to the republican right, secure in
the knowledge that this is not going to go anywhere," he said. "if it did
go anywhere, it would tear the republican party apart."

even in an age when gay couples are routinely portrayed on television and
constitute a prosperous demographic that advertisers have been overtly
appealing to, the times/cbs news poll found the country still sharply
divided over homosexuality.

half of the respondents said they viewed homosexual relations between
adults as morally wrong. moreover, an overwhelming majority, 87 percent,
said they thought most people would not accept having same-sex couples
married within their church, synagogue or place of worship. sixty percent
said they themselves would not accept such unions in their own places of
worship.

"i want my children to grow up and be normal people like me and my father
and my grandfather was," said ziad nimri, 41, a salesman and a democrat
who lives in spokane, wash. "i don't want my children to start getting
ideas. they see it's out in the open and you see men kissing men on
television these days."

mr. nimri said he was also worried that if gays were allowed to marry,
they would get other rights too, like tax benefits. "because they're a
minority, they're going to start actually giving them more privileges than
normal people would have," he said. "minorities always tend to get more
than your average person does."

one of the few people interviewed who was not opposed to legally
recognized same-sex marriages was cliff martin, 47, an unemployed democrat
in gainesville, fla. "i think gays should be allowed to marry because it's
not something that threatens other people," he said.

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date:         wed, 31 dec 2003 10:10:44 -0500
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i could have sworn i read that "the l word" was debuting on january 4th. i just double checked and susan is right, it is coming on sunday, january 18th. i'll try and tape it if anyone misses it and wants a copy.

speaking of season debuts, the new season of lifetime's "the division" begins sunday january 11th. for those of you who saw last season's final episode, they really left us hanging as to the fate of one of the characters. i'm curious to see how they resolve that plot strand.

i'm glad we have a "new season" of tv shows in january!

-scott

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date:         wed, 31 dec 2003 08:39:49 -0800
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> for those of you who saw last season's final
> episode, they really left us hanging as to the fate
> of one of the characters.

enlighten us!  i don't watch the show, but if i may
make a guess perhaps one of the characters had an
affair of the lesbionic kind?  or is contemplating
having a fling with "one of those gals" or something
of that nature . . . ?  do tell how the season ended.

elaine

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