lifeblood: listlogs: 2004-02c


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date:         sun, 15 feb 2004 16:08:06 +1000
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on fri, 13 feb 2004, heckler, victoria wrote:


> -there is an ep of 4-5 songs recorded at the fillmore that you can pick
> up at any of the ird stores ... not just in the atlanta area.  you just
> need to print out the coupon on the ird web site and bring it in.


is anyone getting the ep willing to make the songs availablein one way or
another? i don't live in the us, and none of the stores seem to be close to
my friends or partner who do.


thanks heaps.


amanda.


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date:         sun, 15 feb 2004 10:06:31 -0600
reply-to:     todd green <tgreen@uab.edu>
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hello all, sorry for the cross post but our cable system doesn't carry
bravo, and i would like to catch this show. if anyone could be so kind
to tape it, i would be willing to trade some ig(or other) shows for
compensation or even cash to cover the tape/postage. if anyone is
interested please let me know. here are the details. it airs in the
wee-morning hours of tonight(sunday night)/monday morning


monday, feb 15 at 2/1 am


reggae: the story of jamaican music

via archival footage, interviews and performances, this comprehensive
two-hour special journeys from reggae  roots to its phenomenal
popularity across europe and america to its fusion with modern hip-hop.
featured performers and stars include bob marley, jimmy
cliff, mick jagger, eric clapton and many more.


cheers-


todd


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date:         sun, 15 feb 2004 13:51:33 est
reply-to:     lisa071573@aol.com
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i just got my poster and the cd yesterday :) it does have the dvd (yay!)
which i haven't watched yet... so far i have only listened to it twice... i'm very
bummed that hearache for everyone sounds so odd... i really liked the
acoustic version. i'm also confused as to why in the world let me go easy isn't on
there :p i'm also wondering why emily hasn't written any upbeat songs for a
really long time... but it's good and i'm not really complaining :) glad it got
here early!
lisa


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date:         sun, 15 feb 2004 15:43:14 est
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in a message dated 2/15/04 1:52:07 pm eastern standard time,
lisa071573@aol.com writes:


> just got my poster and the cd yesterday :)


no fair! <pouting, stomping feet and kicking dirt>  i pre-ordered too, and
besides, the release date is tuesday!


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date:         sun, 15 feb 2004 15:24:02 -0600
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hey y'all, my ex lives in seattle and wants to know how you can win =
tickets for the show they are doing on the radio up there and what =
station it will broadcast on and when? hope y'all had a good valentines =
day! thanks!


mandy (now in oklahoma)


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date:         sun, 15 feb 2004 14:00:19 -0800
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kmtt, 103.7 is the station. the show will broadcast at noon on wednesday.


they have been giving away tickets all week, but not very many. yesterday
was the best :  be the 5th or 6th caller when they play an ig song. i don't
know if they are still doing it today or not.  they were playing ig every
3-4 hours or so.


sej


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subject: the seattle concert?

hey y'all, my ex lives in seattle and wants to know how you can win tickets
for the show they are doing on the radio up there and what station it will
broadcast on and when? hope y'all had a good valentines day! thanks!


mandy (now in oklahoma)


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date:         mon, 16 feb 2004 00:44:54 est
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lisa,  i agree with you.  "heartache for everyone" came out... odd.  i really
tried to like it.  i have had an advance copy of the cd for a while now, so i
have given it some time.  but i just can't get used to it!  i really love the
song acoustic, but i often find myself skipping track 2 on the album.


as far as emily upbeat songs, i sunno, i think "rise up" is upbeat, or at
least hopeful.


what do y'all think?


xoxo
karen


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all that we let in, the new album from the indigo girls comes out 17 feb!
here is a sneak preview:
"you can grow what you want, but one day it's gonna rise up, so plant what
you need to make a better stand..." (tether -- amy ray)
"remember there's more than this, there always was and there always is..."
(rise up -- emily saliers)
"connect the points and see the constellations as the night comes down on the
reservoir..." (perfect world -- amy)
"it's just the voices of your past you fought before don't you recognize them
anymore?" (come on home -- emily)
"are we looking at a lifetime of regret, or just one little moment that we'll
never forget?" (heartache for everyone -- amy)
"we don't believe in war and we don't believe in luck" (all that we let in --
emily)
"i heard that you were drunk and mean down at the dairy queen..." (dairy
queen -- amy)
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date:         mon, 16 feb 2004 02:24:17 -0500
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hi intimate strangers,


i got the e-newsletter from ellen degeneres show, and indigo girls will be
performing "perfect world" from atwli, on friday, 2/20/04.  check your local
listings, and/or set your vcrs!!


diane


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in a message dated 2/16/2004 2:24:17 am eastern standard time, arle@hotmail.com writes:


finally!


when ellen's show first started i wrote in and told her about "perfect world" and to book them, which we all knew she would, eventually.  i thought ellen would be the first to have them on, but i thought it would be well before the release of this cd.


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> hi intimate strangers,
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> i got the e-newsletter from ellen degeneres show, and indigo girls will be
> performing "perfect world" from atwli, on friday, 2/20/04.  check your local
> listings, and/or set your vcrs!!
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> diane
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in a message dated 2/15/2004 9:44:54 pm pacific standard time, indigokare
writes:
as far as emily upbeat songs, i sunno, i think "rise up" is upbeat, or at
least hopeful.
yeah, rise up is upbeat... all her songs since cons have been mostly slow,
sad or depressing ballads. i miss the upbeat emily of least compicated or peace
tonight...
lisa


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<<i miss the upbeat emily of least complicated,and peace tonight.>>


ah no not those too.....trouble,  hammer and nail. they are upbeat
without being cheesy as far as the instruments go......(no offense
intended. anyone can like least complicated, and peace tonight  if they
want.)


barb


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howdy all!


here are the folks celebrating their birthdays this week...well, there's only one folk *grins*

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february 19, 2002
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yay!  party!  have fun!  be safe!


and, as always...


if you are not on the list, and would like to be, feel free to
email me privately.  i will put you on the list asap.  some people have
just included their email address and birthday, others include their real
name, and lots include quotes.  any form is acceptable.  similarly, if you
are on the list and would like to add/change/delete your entry, do so
privately and i will update.  do not forget to include your b-day if you
are in the add/change/delete category...i really don't want to sift
through hundreds of entries to find yours.  thanks :)

much love and devotion,


audra
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date:         tue, 17 feb 2004 00:29:13 -0600
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just a quick note to those up late (or early if you're sherlyn) who
just can't wait to get to the stores in the am for the new cd.  just
thought i'd browse over to itunes and see if they had the full cd
available after midnight and sure enough, all tracks are all there.  i
have gone through great lengths to not listen to any tracks live or go
to any sites where the new studio tracks were available.  the idea of
getting 11 fresh songs tomorrow is very appealing.  of course i did
break down and get fill it up when itunes made it available early.
anyway, the songs are all there.  and the little 30 second snippets are
all there too....just waiting to be listened to...just little previews,
sitting a mouse click away.  this is torture.  i am turning this off
and going to bed.  looking forward to active discussion now that we
have something to discuss....greg


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date:         tue, 17 feb 2004 12:03:46 -0500
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  here goes.  for the first time in a while, i hadn't been listening to
pre-release acoustic versions of these songs before this one came out.  i've
only seen them together once and amy once solo when they did any of these songs
so they're all essentially brand new to me.


  am i forgetting something, or is this the first album that's named after an
emily song?  only took 9 tries.  i like the comic book artwork.  the portraits
of amy and emily are pretty close for comic art images.  the storyboard is fun.

fill it up again
i like the "round, round, round" bit.  nice enough.  it does a good job of
showcasing how good they sound singing together.  not sure the stripped-bare
song is all that fantastic.  the lyrics are kind of lightweight.  their voices
do sound really good playing off each other; that core sound is still as good as
ever.  a song that will be fun in the short run, but probably won't stay with me
past the run of this album.  did she really try to rhyme "mystery" and
"disarray"?  ugh.


heartache for everyone
the upbeat tempo doesn't match the tone of the lyrics -- i hate it when that
happens.  i never heard an acoustic version of this -- seems like it would have
to be better.  the song underneath this arrangement isn't half bad.  it's lyrics
like these that always got me in trouble trying to figure out the story behind
them.  but, like the man said, "some truths are not for you."


free in you
a nice, smooth feel.  this is going to sound terrible, but how many relationship
songs can one person write?  maybe they seem different from the inside if
they're not all about the same person or incident, but it feels like she's
written this song several times before.  "love is just like breathing when it's
true" -- i don't know, something about that line seriously bugs me.


perfect world
one of the few tracks i can imagine getting some radio airplay (that is, if i
still listened to the radio anymore).  again, though, there's a subversiveness
at work because the happy melody and arrangement belie the caustic message of
the lyrics.  it's an effective trojan horse of a song, actually.  as a matter of
fact, it's a nice bookend to "closer to fine".  that's another song that has a
happy feel to it, but the actual lyrics are kind of a downer.  i like the
"banjo-style" guitar fingering underneath.  this one's got staying power.


all that we let in
for some reason the beginning of this reminded me of black diamond/(jan
skurzynski)'s version of "arrow".  (wow.  that's been 10 years ago now.  is
there anybody still on this list that remembers those days?)  "and the greatest
gift of life is to know love" -- that ending sounds very much like "philosophy
of loss" to me.


tether
wow.  what a righteous feel this song has.  testify!!!  this will be spectacular
live and electric.  this is the closest anything they've done had any kind of
gospel feel to it -- not in the electric guitars but in amy's vocal and in the
organ accompaniment.  if ever a song begged for the stream-of-consciousness
treatment, this is it.


come on home
i like this one.  it totally had me up until "i'm stacking sandbags against the
river of your troubles" -- yikes!  who talks like that?  everything else about
this song is really nice.


dairy queen
this seems to be the oldest of amy's songs since i've heard her do this one solo
on the mandolin a few times.  never much liked it live and spare, i must say.
this arrangement gives the song more life.  somebody already said it, but it
does sound very much like the studio version of "starkville".  the lyrics seem
to be in the same vein as "heartache for everyone".  it's ok as far as an album
cut, but i doubt it will stay with me past the life of this album.


something real
it's ok.  the lyric feels incomplete ("and in the end that's all i get") but i
suppose that's the point.  nice enough, but this is another one that will never
last past the shelf-life of this album.  it doesn't go anywhere.  i like the
couple of bars of instrumental but even that's cut short.


cordova
this seems like a song that's part of a musical play or something.  it's about
such a specific moment/train of thought that it hardly makes sense out of
context.  it's nice enough, and i can't think of another amy song where she's
accompanied by piano.  it's pretty, but there doesn't seem to be much of a shelf
life here, either.  kind of sleepy and puts me in the mood of "lazy boy".


rise up
the slightest of the slight lyrically.  probably will be a crowd-pleaser live
with the "rise up" bit in the chorus.  doesn't do much for me.

emily's songs: c
really only "free in you" will stay with me for very long.  it's not that any of
them are so terrible, but there's just a sameness that makes them
indistinguishable to me.


amy's songs: c+
if this were a double-album, or an amy solo album, i wouldn't mind these tracks
so much.  but when you only get 5 amy songs, i'd have wished for at least 4 of
them to be stronger than these are.  "tether" will be fun live while they tour
behind this but "perfect world" is the only one i see as a keeper beyond this
go-around.  bummer.


  whoever made the observation that you could group their albums in pairs
creatively hit the nail on the head.  except for "tether", which feels more like
amy's solo stuff, this is very much become you, part ii (not a good thing in my
book).  in a way, i think amy's solo work has had the effect of painting emily
into a corner.  by defining a part of her work as "non-indigo girls", amy has
limited the boundaries of what she considers "true ig" but emily doesn't seem to
have an outlet for her "non-ig" creativity.  there's nothing like "trouble"
here, or even "caramia" (which may not have been a complete success but it at
least represented emily's attempting to expanding her style.  nowadays, her
songs sound more and more the same to me.)
  give them credit for hanging together this far down the line.  it only took
outkast 4 albums in before they degenrated into putting out dual solo cds.


  i almost never like the new cd when it comes out, so i'm not surprised by my
lukewarm reaction to this one.  maybe it's because i didn't come into this one
as familiar with the new material ahead of time, but i don't have the same
enthusiasm for this right off the bat as i did even for become you (and i
certainly wasn't crazy about that one, but that had more to do with arrangements
than the songs).


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  is this the first time carolyn spidle has gotten an official thank you?  cool!
that's been a long time coming.  (if you don't know, she's the person behind the
lifeblood website ... and the lifeblood newsletters before that.  those were the
days, eh?  i've still got those in a box.  can't say it enough: thanks, carolyn
! ! !   wow.  what a long ride this has been!)


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>>nowadays, her songs sound more and more the same to me.<<


other victims of this syndrome: mary chapin carpenter, paul mccartney, gosh
pretty much everyone gets to a point where they've said everything that can
be said, they've moved from the excitement and idealism of youth to the
comforts of middle age, and so have different circumstances driving the
creative process. now it's more of a job than before.


more importantly, they've lost the environment that honed their songwriting.
no regular new-song workout, no open-mic that forces you to stand out from
the crowd, no collaborator to say what's drek. without some kind of filter
songs that never would have made it ten, fifteen years ago are now the norm.


amy seems to be avoiding this. either she still finds inspiration or somehow
she still works hard at crafting a song, or both. but whilst few modern-day
emily songs would pass muster for nomads*indians*saints or rites of passage,
plenty of amy's could. the style may be different, but the quality is still
there.


this is before i've even heard the new album. gosh, i don't think i've heard
*any* of the new songs yet. i'm just not as excited for a new record as i
was ten years ago...

>>is this the first time carolyn spidle has gotten an official thank you?<<


i think she's moderating over at the official site message board. not that
she doesn't deserve it for everything else she's done...


neil
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>>is this the first time carolyn spidle has gotten an official thank you?<<
i laugh cus i went to the doctors and have been having a rather stressful
day, my mom complaining that i should not spend money on anything, i dont
need a new cd, yadda,yadda, yadda...so here i am in the midst of anxiety -
i ended up doing my mom a huge favor and i went and bought the cd, the cds
all seem to have the dvd...got the ird promo - which i love already - i
havent watched the dvd - too much going on - as we pulled out of the
parking lot of the store - i was looking at the thank yous and was like
"mom - i know some of these people - namely carolyn - she said i was
obsessed, so what else is new...


i agree - it seems like emily's songwriting was better on nis or rop (even
shaming had it's moments ) i agree with ron and neils statements - amy
seems to hone her songs much more now - like they switched roles - not that
i am saying i dont like emilys songs - it is just nis seemed soooooo much
more crafted - it was good songwriting - it worked on multiple layers and
was far more intense when i was in high school, i dunno - i mean good
writing still does that to me - and i love all that we let in as a song -
havent made up my mind on the rest - have had it for a wile - the norah
jones has been getting more airplay.. i love the fact a dvd is included -
how cool!

mike r.


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on feb 17, 2004, at 9:42 am, michael reynolds wrote:


> i agree - it seems like emily's songwriting was better on nis or rop
> (even
> shaming had it's moments ) i agree with ron and neils statements - amy
> seems to hone her songs much more now - like they switched roles - not
> that
> i am saying i dont like emilys songs - it is just nis seemed soooooo
> much
> more crafted - it was good songwriting - it worked on multiple layers
> and
> was far more intense when i was in high school,


nis is *still* my favorite ig album.  it's the second in the first dyad
of albums, and in a lot of ways, it's everything i came to love about
ig when i first found them (2 days after the release of their first
cd), only honed to a much finer edge.  deeply introspective lyrics
coupled with universal philosophical musings...  woven, multi-layered
vocals which were both breathtaking and singable...  acoustic guitars
duelling in a very folksy rock way...  the way it's truly an "album" in
the sense of the beatles' revolver -- each song works fine on its own,
but the entire listening experience is greater than the sum of its
parts.


i'm not saying i don't like other ig albums, and i'm not saying i don't
foam at the mouth with the prospect of each new release.  but even now,
nis remains one of the finest gems in my cd collection.


amusingly enough, i just found a vinyl copy of nis.  perhaps i should
go back and buy it today.


graham ames
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does anyone, anyone have a single ticket they don't want for this show?  the
date seems to have gone off the ticketmaster website and a friend of mine
would like to come.  let me know, and thanks!


lisa


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nh>more importantly, they've lost the environment that honed their songwriting.
nh>no regular new-song workout, no open-mic that forces you to stand out from
nh>the crowd, no collaborator to say what's drek. without some kind of filter
nh>songs that never would have made it ten, fifteen years ago are now the norm.


  yeah.  it doesn't seem that they do all that many unannounced shows where they
try out lots of songs during their "down time" nearly as much as they used to.
i guess this far down the line their "free time" isn't as free as maybe it used
to be and they're more anxious to do as much non-ig stuff as they can.  the
advantage for amy is that her "non-ig" world is still musical (daemon) whereas
emily's non-ig world is a restaurant (watershed)


------.


  i just went by ella guru cds (located in toco hills shopping center, maybe one
slot over from where rainy day records used to be).  they have the new live ep,
but just about the only ig they have for sale is the new one.  i told the guy i
was looking for strange fire and he let me have the ep free without having to
buy anything at all since all he had was atlwi.


  i also stopped by the wherehouse music in buckhead (on peachtreee across from
benihana and just down from justin's).  they have a stack of atwli posters on
the table in the back for free.  hurry and grab them because this store is going
out of business in a week (last day is next tuesday the 24th.)


-- ron


p.s.  the more i listen to it, the more "perfect world" reminds me of
graceland-era paul simon.  does anybody else hear that, or is it just me?
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well howdy ya'll,


i picked up my brand spankin' new version of atwli today and spent all of my driving time today listening to the album in chunks.  now i'm home and have only had a chance to read ron's review of the album before i felt it was time to write down my thoughts of the album as well.  i'm only going to be listening to the studio versions of these songs for the second time ever in this review, and only vaguely knew the more popular acoustic versions that were shopped around so much before the album came out, so i was pretty fresh, as opposed to last time with the become you preview, which was a blast and i think continually pleased the girls when they saw their songs being sung back to them a mere week or few days after the release.  it reminds me of paul mccartney being absolutely blown away when two days after the release of sgt. pepper jimi hendrix was already using it as the opening to *his* shows.  talk about respect and doing your homework.


regardless, as this is only the second album i've been around for the release for-i was a rather silly little baby dyke before 2001, don't ask-and now i've seen the release from both angles: having a huge heads up as to what to expect and being a virgin to most of the material.


and i know i should read everyone else's review to see if i'm in the majority or minority when it comes to my opinions on the tracks, but boy, ron, what in the world were you expecting?  "indigo girls in their new crossover debut, doing it like limp biskit, or ella fitzgerald"?  personally, on the whole, i find myself as interested in how they can create new material out of old, how they can stay on the track but not get stale-which they haven't-and how they can rise above their former mistakes, and sometimes make new ones (or make the same ones).  there's a cohesive consistency to the girls' work over the past... well, let's say 15 years that i think helps keep their fan base so solid.  if they were 'changing it up' every album you'd be bound to lose fans with every album.  obviously you'd pick a few new ones up here and there but i don't like a grab back.  i don't like having to gamble when it comes to my favorite artists.  i see that with ani a lot, i never know what in the
hell i'm
getting myself into when i pick up a different album of hers.


call me old-fashioned (and believe me, no one's ever done that before, seeing as i'm only 21) but i *really* dug this album.  i mean, it's fun to go on vacation, see things you've never seen, experience things you've never done, but at the end of it all, don't you just want to go home to your own familiarity?  that's my take.  and here's my review.


fill it up again


the organ use on this album was a bit surprising to me, but it works better than i would have given it credit for working.  the drums on this album are fantastic, especially on this song, "heartache for everyone", "tether", "something real" and "rise up".  i normally don't even notice the drums on ig albums, save the rare song, normally amy.  the lyrics creating the layering of a relationship as well as having the greater consciousness of the environmental dilemma we seem to always find ourselves in was interesting.  *that's* what keeps emily's lyrics interesting-and sometimes a little clunky-to me: her use of metaphor and tropes.  she's a very colorful lyricist and they always fit the beat to a fault.  they just tumble out like water, it lends a very good flow to the song.


heartache for everyone


ok, so you know how i said that the organs worked on their songs?  not this one.  i absolutely adore the drums and electric guitar on this, but the organ and the wind instrument that's used in the solo is rather embarrassing!  this is gonna be huge in concert, especially if they have a backup band-gosh, are they *ever* gonna do a full band tour *ever* again?!-and it has redeeming quality because of that simply since they have such a concert experience that when listening to the album you can't just think in the confines of the album in the greater spectrum of what will work live in its various incarnations.  amy has a way of writing lyrics, like i think you touched on, ron, that seem to come straight out of some snapshot from amy's life.  there's not always a lot for the greater audience to get out of it because of it's specifications but at the same time it's probably one of the few ways we'll ever get a glimpse into the life of ms. ray.  and it's always interesting to hear
amy
talking love instead of politics!  all in all an ok song, great in sections and horrid in others.  very unindigo girls, but groovy.


free in you


to separate this album from become you, we see emily writing at least a *couple* of happy love songs.  emily is a modern philosopher, she's said so herself in respect to her attention to human relationships.  i know i've often written papers, even a poem or two, about the amount of "silly love songs" in this world, and why that's such a shame?  i suppose of you only live your life for the love songs it's limiting, but we know emily is as dedicated to her activism as the next political junkie, so perhaps her songs are an escape from the pressure of saving the world one injustice at a time.  and to stretch things, get a few eyes rolled, i'm gonna compare emily to shakespeare!  not in her word choice, but in her obsessiveness-that's so not a word...-to similar topics.  if you read shakespeare's sonnets (hears crickets... ok, so i'm an english major, they make me) you'll see the same topic rewritten ten different ways.  each one has different redeeming qualities though, and have meri
t in
their collectivity.


perfect world


nice topic, i dig the call and response in the second stanza, and the accordion really blends things together well in this.  this is the song that i'd heard a few times, studio version-wise, before the release so i find i have a lot less to say about it because i'm already so acclimated to it.  i guess it's just a testament to amy's vast... i'm wary to use the word 'improvement' so i'll go with evolution as a songwriter.  she's always had some great lyrics, really biting, really poignant, but i often found myself unable to fully appreciate them for the musical shortcomings.  i sometimes have a hard time now telling who wrote the song unless i look.  they've swapped styles until they're very similar in their material.  at least that which they share with each other to go out as an ig 'sound'.


all that we let in


i think you're right ron, this is the first album who's title comes solely from a lyric in an emily tune.  yeah her!  "philosophy 101, ya'll" indeed.  possibly the most beautiful and well-crafted piece on the entire album.  emily gets deep without compromising her lyrics-she's had her clunker moments-and i don't find myself choosing between liking the lyrics or liking the melody.  and even with the quiet gentility of this track amy fits in perfectly.  i personally love to hear her rising up above her usual low octave, so that's just personal preference.  the only line in the song that i ever cringe at is "planets hurling, atoms splitting/and a sweater for your love you sit there knitting".  something about the dichotomy in those lines just falls flat.  i think she fell prey to compromising the lyric for the sake of rhyming.  it's a small thing though in a song this beautiful.  i wonder though, did emily play piano on this song?  she's credited to playing it *somewhere* but th
ey never
specify and there are a few instances of the piano cropping up.  if anyone knows that'd be great.


tether


i *never* dug the live version of this song, which i think i heard perhaps once, because without the backing track the lyrics are incredibly dense and hard to course through.  but boy, they took this baby places i never thought it could go!  i don't even mind the rhyme-scheme because of the hardcore drums and electric guitar on this.  it sounds remonicent to some great '70's country rock ballad.  a rising up above yourself despite your upbringing.  as almost sacrilegious-and against all that they stand for-as it is, i could almost hear someone like lynard skynard doing this song.  very gritty and powerful.  still though, something about the lyrics doesn't feel solid to me.  not that the words themselves aren't strong words well chosen, but they don't feel like they fit together from line to line.  it almost sounds more like a letter than a song or poem.  it's a very brave piece.


come on home


another heavily metaphored emily piece.  i completely agree with the lyric "i'm stacking sandbags against the river of your troubles".  ouch.  this sounds cruel but i think i heard similar metaphors used in my high school freshman english class.  still though, the biblical connotations lend a certain sophistication to it.  let me tell you, coming from a girl who has to analyze this every day, picking a metaphorical theme and sticking to it, making it work without losing control of the plot completely is *really* difficult.  emily makes a good crack at it, but it could still use a little revision.  the lyrical quality reminds me a bit of "our deliverance".  still though, the line, "come on home, the team you're hitched to has a mind of its own" really resonates well.  it is true though, you can normally tell an emily song in about 8 bars.  that's our girl though.  i've a soft spot for familiarity, if you haven't already noticed.  i'm such a bias reviewer.


dairy queen


i dunno if i'll even review this one.  i should just go back to my review of "starkville" and cut and paste.  a good tune, but a repeat really.  it's like watching some sitcom scenario and then turning to another channel and seeing a different set of actors playing the same theme.  kinda a cutout, color by number.  it does start to make people assume though that amy almost aims for unhealthy relationships that she then obsesses about for years and years afterward.  why is that?  she always appreciates the agony she went through, almost sadomasochistically.  <shrugs>


something real


reading the lyrics in my math class-yeah, yeah, i know, but god she was boring today-before having heard the song i felt a bit let down by how sparse the lyrics were on this tune.  but hearing the arrangement of them i'm a lot less unhappy about the whole thing.  all except for the term "fresh boys".  <raises eyebrows>  huh?  oh, but the chord after the line, "i've got to get back to something real with you" is extraordinary, isn't it?  much more layered and lush than i'm used to an ig track sounding.  almost new-agey.  it also deals with something very real, that being the idea of obsessing over the past, living in it, until you're faced with its present day incarnation and suddenly you realize that it's not that good afterall.  then you head back to the present and remember how much better you have it now.  i've grappled with that a few times already in my life, let me tell you.  the vocal arrangement on this one is really fabulous too.  not a straightforward melody and the
  chord
changes are rather tricky and unpredictable.  a lot of fun to listen to.


cordova


well ok, i love the 'unplugged' tone of amy's voice, the closeness.  she really relays a complete sadness that carries out regardless of whether or not we're aware of what she's talking about.  but here's another situation where amy goes a little bit too personal and leaves her audience out.  it's a very vulnerable tune for amy, she handles the vocals well, but i don't feel any personal connection to this song.  it's similar, though better melody-wise, as "nuevas senoritas".  it was nice to hear emily join in about of the way through though, it added a bit of depth.  all in all an ok song, interesting to have a piano, which i think ron is right about when he mentions it's the first time amy's been backed by one, at least one that's so stark and obvious.


rise up


oh!  what a magnificent way to end the album!  so much better than their choice to end the last album with the aforementioned "nuevas senoritas".  that was the biggest let-down when i first listened to become you.  i felt like they'd surely forgotten to end the album with the right song.  so this is really quite a relief.  it's a classic case of emily's hopeless optimism.  but she needs it to sometimes counter amy's rather aggravated lyrics.  this is a goodtime tune that will probably become a favorite in the same vein as "galileo" and "closer to fine", which is fine with me because you can never have enough of those.  it's just an all-around smile-provoking sweet ending, it leaves a proverbial good taste in my mouth.  they picked great bookends for the album and i think that means a lot when you're listening to it from start to finish.  well-placed.  well written, fun.  i'm satisfied.


on the whole, since i hate getting grades, i won't give one.  i just gotta say that since i didn't indulge in too much hype before it came out, i wasn't dissatisfied when i finally listened to it.  it's a good little album, not necessarily the most triumphant thing to end on when it comes to ending their epic days, but if they'd wanted to end on a *very* high note we wouldn't have seen any albums after swamp ophelia.  so i say, rise up, enjoy, don't stop thinking but don't think *too* hard and try to check some of your nit-pickings at the door, you'll enjoy the album more then.


peace and love ya'll, off to read more reviews and then go check on the polls because wisconsin has their big primary today and i already got out to cast my vote, which is still exciting for me.  here's to a big kerry victory!


~juliana


"part of emily is saying, 'we're working hard, and now you just shot us in the foot.' but i feel like we're shut out of that (rolling stone) anyway, so why not go out in a blaze of glory?" ~amy (indigo girls) discussing emily's reaction to "lucystoners".


"overload the ruler with information and [he'll] kill you just to simplify things."
-hagrid discussing ogres to harry potter in "the order of the phoenix (think about bush when you read this...)


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well howdy ya'll,


i picked up my brand spankin' new version of atwli today and spent all of my driving time today listening to the album in chunks.  now i'm home and have only had a chance to read ron's review of the album before i felt it was time to write down my thoughts of the album as well.  i'm only going to be listening to the studio versions of these songs for the second time ever in this review, and only vaguely knew the more popular acoustic versions that were shopped around so much before the album came out, so i was pretty fresh, as opposed to last time with the become you preview, which was a blast and i think continually pleased the girls when they saw their songs being sung back to them a mere week or few days after the release.  it reminds me of paul mccartney being absolutely blown away when two days after the release of sgt. pepper jimi hendrix was already using it as the opening to *his* shows.  talk about respect and doing your homework.


regardless, as this is only the second album i've been around for the release for-i was a rather silly little baby dyke before 2001, don't ask-and now i've seen the release from both angles: having a huge heads up as to what to expect and being a virgin to most of the material.


and i know i should read everyone else's review to see if i'm in the majority or minority when it comes to my opinions on the tracks, but boy, ron, what in the world were you expecting?  "indigo girls in their new crossover debut, doing it like limp biskit, or ella fitzgerald"?  personally, on the whole, i find myself as interested in how they can create new material out of old, how they can stay on the track but not get stale-which they haven't-and how they can rise above their former mistakes, and sometimes make new ones (or make the same ones).  there's a cohesive consistency to the girls' work over the past... well, let's say 15 years that i think helps keep their fan base so solid.  if they were 'changing it up' every album you'd be bound to lose fans with every album.  obviously you'd pick a few new ones up here and there but i don't like a grab back.  i don't like having to gamble when it comes to my favorite artists.  i see that with ani a lot, i never know what in the
hell i'm
getting myself into when i pick up a different album of hers.


call me old-fashioned (and believe me, no one's ever done that before, seeing as i'm only 21) but i *really* dug this album.  i mean, it's fun to go on vacation, see things you've never seen, experience things you've never done, but at the end of it all, don't you just want to go home to your own familiarity?  that's my take.  and here's my review.


fill it up again


the organ use on this album was a bit surprising to me, but it works better than i would have given it credit for working.  the drums on this album are fantastic, especially on this song, "heartache for everyone", "tether", "something real" and "rise up".  i normally don't even notice the drums on ig albums, save the rare song, normally amy.  the lyrics creating the layering of a relationship as well as having the greater consciousness of the environmental dilemma we seem to always find ourselves in was interesting.  *that's* what keeps emily's lyrics interesting-and sometimes a little clunky-to me: her use of metaphor and tropes.  she's a very colorful lyricist and they always fit the beat to a fault.  they just tumble out like water, it lends a very good flow to the song.


heartache for everyone


ok, so you know how i said that the organs worked on their songs?  not this one.  i absolutely adore the drums and electric guitar on this, but the organ and the wind instrument that's used in the solo is rather embarrassing!  this is gonna be huge in concert, especially if they have a backup band-gosh, are they *ever* gonna do a full band tour *ever* again?!-and it has redeeming quality because of that simply since they have such a concert experience that when listening to the album you can't just think in the confines of the album in the greater spectrum of what will work live in its various incarnations.  amy has a way of writing lyrics, like i think you touched on, ron, that seem to come straight out of some snapshot from amy's life.  there's not always a lot for the greater audience to get out of it because of it's specifications but at the same time it's probably one of the few ways we'll ever get a glimpse into the life of ms. ray.  and it's always interesting to hear
amy
talking love instead of politics!  all in all an ok song, great in sections and horrid in others.  very unindigo girls, but groovy.


free in you


to separate this album from become you, we see emily writing at least a *couple* of happy love songs.  emily is a modern philosopher, she's said so herself in respect to her attention to human relationships.  i know i've often written papers, even a poem or two, about the amount of "silly love songs" in this world, and why that's such a shame?  i suppose of you only live your life for the love songs it's limiting, but we know emily is as dedicated to her activism as the next political junkie, so perhaps her songs are an escape from the pressure of saving the world one injustice at a time.  and to stretch things, get a few eyes rolled, i'm gonna compare emily to shakespeare!  not in her word choice, but in her obsessiveness-that's so not a word...-to similar topics.  if you read shakespeare's sonnets (hears crickets... ok, so i'm an english major, they make me) you'll see the same topic rewritten ten different ways.  each one has different redeeming qualities though, and have meri
t in
their collectivity.


perfect world


nice topic, i dig the call and response in the second stanza, and the accordion really blends things together well in this.  this is the song that i'd heard a few times, studio version-wise, before the release so i find i have a lot less to say about it because i'm already so acclimated to it.  i guess it's just a testament to amy's vast... i'm wary to use the word 'improvement' so i'll go with evolution as a songwriter.  she's always had some great lyrics, really biting, really poignant, but i often found myself unable to fully appreciate them for the musical shortcomings.  i sometimes have a hard time now telling who wrote the song unless i look.  they've swapped styles until they're very similar in their material.  at least that which they share with each other to go out as an ig 'sound'.


all that we let in


i think you're right ron, this is the first album who's title comes solely from a lyric in an emily tune.  yeah her!  "philosophy 101, ya'll" indeed.  possibly the most beautiful and well-crafted piece on the entire album.  emily gets deep without compromising her lyrics-she's had her clunker moments-and i don't find myself choosing between liking the lyrics or liking the melody.  and even with the quiet gentility of this track amy fits in perfectly.  i personally love to hear her rising up above her usual low octave, so that's just personal preference.  the only line in the song that i ever cringe at is "planets hurling, atoms splitting/and a sweater for your love you sit there knitting".  something about the dichotomy in those lines just falls flat.  i think she fell prey to compromising the lyric for the sake of rhyming.  it's a small thing though in a song this beautiful.  i wonder though, did emily play piano on this song?  she's credited to playing it *somewhere* but th
ey never
specify and there are a few instances of the piano cropping up.  if anyone knows that'd be great.


tether


i *never* dug the live version of this song, which i think i heard perhaps once, because without the backing track the lyrics are incredibly dense and hard to course through.  but boy, they took this baby places i never thought it could go!  i don't even mind the rhyme-scheme because of the hardcore drums and electric guitar on this.  it sounds remonicent to some great '70's country rock ballad.  a rising up above yourself despite your upbringing.  as almost sacrilegious-and against all that they stand for-as it is, i could almost hear someone like lynard skynard doing this song.  very gritty and powerful.  still though, something about the lyrics doesn't feel solid to me.  not that the words themselves aren't strong words well chosen, but they don't feel like they fit together from line to line.  it almost sounds more like a letter than a song or poem.  it's a very brave piece.


come on home


another heavily metaphored emily piece.  i completely agree with the lyric "i'm stacking sandbags against the river of your troubles".  ouch.  this sounds cruel but i think i heard similar metaphors used in my high school freshman english class.  still though, the biblical connotations lend a certain sophistication to it.  let me tell you, coming from a girl who has to analyze this every day, picking a metaphorical theme and sticking to it, making it work without losing control of the plot completely is *really* difficult.  emily makes a good crack at it, but it could still use a little revision.  the lyrical quality reminds me a bit of "our deliverance".  still though, the line, "come on home, the team you're hitched to has a mind of its own" really resonates well.  it is true though, you can normally tell an emily song in about 8 bars.  that's our girl though.  i've a soft spot for familiarity, if you haven't already noticed.  i'm such a bias reviewer.


dairy queen


i dunno if i'll even review this one.  i should just go back to my review of "starkville" and cut and paste.  a good tune, but a repeat really.  it's like watching some sitcom scenario and then turning to another channel and seeing a different set of actors playing the same theme.  kinda a cutout, color by number.  it does start to make people assume though that amy almost aims for unhealthy relationships that she then obsesses about for years and years afterward.  why is that?  she always appreciates the agony she went through, almost sadomasochistically.  <shrugs>


something real


reading the lyrics in my math class-yeah, yeah, i know, but god she was boring today-before having heard the song i felt a bit let down by how sparse the lyrics were on this tune.  but hearing the arrangement of them i'm a lot less unhappy about the whole thing.  all except for the term "fresh boys".  <raises eyebrows>  huh?  oh, but the chord after the line, "i've got to get back to something real with you" is extraordinary, isn't it?  much more layered and lush than i'm used to an ig track sounding.  almost new-agey.  it also deals with something very real, that being the idea of obsessing over the past, living in it, until you're faced with its present day incarnation and suddenly you realize that it's not that good afterall.  then you head back to the present and remember how much better you have it now.  i've grappled with that a few times already in my life, let me tell you.  the vocal arrangement on this one is really fabulous too.  not a straightforward melody and the
  chord
changes are rather tricky and unpredictable.  a lot of fun to listen to.


cordova


well ok, i love the 'unplugged' tone of amy's voice, the closeness.  she really relays a complete sadness that carries out regardless of whether or not we're aware of what she's talking about.  but here's another situation where amy goes a little bit too personal and leaves her audience out.  it's a very vulnerable tune for amy, she handles the vocals well, but i don't feel any personal connection to this song.  it's similar, though better melody-wise, as "nuevas senoritas".  it was nice to hear emily join in about of the way through though, it added a bit of depth.  all in all an ok song, interesting to have a piano, which i think ron is right about when he mentions it's the first time amy's been backed by one, at least one that's so stark and obvious.


rise up


oh!  what a magnificent way to end the album!  so much better than their choice to end the last album with the aforementioned "nuevas senoritas".  that was the biggest let-down when i first listened to become you.  i felt like they'd surely forgotten to end the album with the right song.  so this is really quite a relief.  it's a classic case of emily's hopeless optimism.  but she needs it to sometimes counter amy's rather aggravated lyrics.  this is a goodtime tune that will probably become a favorite in the same vein as "galileo" and "closer to fine", which is fine with me because you can never have enough of those.  it's just an all-around smile-provoking sweet ending, it leaves a proverbial good taste in my mouth.  they picked great bookends for the album and i think that means a lot when you're listening to it from start to finish.  well-placed.  well written, fun.  i'm satisfied.


on the whole, since i hate getting grades, i won't give one.  i just gotta say that since i didn't indulge in too much hype before it came out, i wasn't dissatisfied when i finally listened to it.  it's a good little album, not necessarily the most triumphant thing to end on when it comes to ending their epic days, but if they'd wanted to end on a *very* high note we wouldn't have seen any albums after swamp ophelia.  so i say, rise up, enjoy, don't stop thinking but don't think *too* hard and try to check some of your nit-pickings at the door, you'll enjoy the album more then.


peace and love ya'll, off to read more reviews and then go check on the polls because wisconsin has their big primary today and i already got out to cast my vote, which is still exciting for me.  here's to a big kerry victory!

~juliana


"part of emily is saying, 'we're working hard, and now you just shot us in the foot.' but i feel like we're shut out of that (rolling stone) anyway, so why not go out in a blaze of glory?" ~amy (indigo girls) discussing emily's reaction to "lucystoners".


"overload the ruler with information and [he'll] kill you just to simplify things."
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i come home to see  a poster box at my house
i say oh cool i got a poster
no it was my ig
i got the poster and didnt get the book even though i ordered as soon as the email was ent out and well before they say they ran out
their customer service office is closed needless to say i am not amused


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apparently, the poster was sent to pretty much anyone that pre-ordered =
the album from sony -- in addition to the cd/dvd and autographed booklet =
(if you ordered it).  so, if you haven't gotten the actual cd yet (folks =
have said the poster arrived days before the cd), wait until you get the =
actual cd before you freak out.


victoria


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i come home to see  a poster box at my house
i say oh cool i got a poster
no it was my ig
i got the poster and didnt get the book even though i ordered as soon as
the email was ent out and well before they say they ran out
their customer service office is closed needless to say i am not amused


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in a message dated 2/17/04 8:45:38 pm eastern standard time,
victoria.heckler@ppfa.org writes:


> so, if you haven't gotten the actual cd yet (folks have said the poster
> arrived days before the cd), wait until you get the actual cd before you freak
> out.
>
>


did anyone in atlanta get the cd.  i got nothing...no poster, booklet, cd.
so, i went out and bought garrison starrs new cd which was also released to
day!


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gee i'm sorry to hear some people didn't get what they ordered.......i'm
glad  i didn't order from sony.....i got my atwli  cd and  dvd
today....i haven't listened to the cd yet, i hope it's as good as the
dvd.


barb


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i haven't seen these dates posted yet but they appeared on the
ticketbastard site when i checked today:


fri, 04/02/04
08:00 pm
carefree theatre
west palm beach, fl
on sale fri, 02/20/04 05:00 pm

sat, 04/03/04
08:00 pm
carefree theatre
west palm beach, fl
on sale fri, 02/20/04 05:00 pm

mon, 04/19/04
07:30 pm
the blue note
columbia, mo
on sale mon, 02/23/04 05:00 pm


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i also received the poster (and "regular" ltd edition cd) today though i
was expecting the signed booklet=2e  it's a disappointment, to be sure,
though not the end of the world=2e  sony should probably put  hard limit o=
n
ordering so that they stopped taking orders on the booklets when they
actually reached the limit=2e  poor planning on their part, imo=2e


amy p=2e


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date: tue, 17 feb 2004 20:44:59 -0500
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apparently, the poster was sent to pretty much anyone that pre-ordered the=


album from sony -- in addition to the cd/dvd and autographed booklet (if
you ordered it)=2e  so, if you haven't gotten the actual cd yet (folks hav=
e
said the poster arrived days before the cd), wait until you get the actual=


cd before you freak out=2e


victoria


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i come home to see  a poster box at my house
i say oh cool i got a poster
no it was my ig
i got the poster and didnt get the book even though i ordered as soon as
the email was ent out and well before they say they ran out
their customer service office is closed needless to say i am not amused


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yes.  i pre-ordered from sony and got the poster on saturday.  cd w/ bonus
dvd arrived today.  i missed the autographed booklet.  did you get the
shipping e-mail last week?
--
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at 08:48 pm 2/17/2004 -0500, mary ferrara wrote:
>in a message dated 2/17/04 8:45:38 pm est,
>victoria.heckler@ppfa.org writes:
>
> > so, if you haven't gotten the actual cd yet (folks have said the poster
> > arrived days before the cd), wait until you get the actual cd before
> you freak
> > out.
> >
> >
>
>did anyone in atlanta get the cd.  i got nothing...no poster, booklet, cd.
>so, i went out and bought garrison starrs new cd which was also released to
>day!
>


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i pre-ordered as well and have yet to receive anything -- no poster, no
booklet, no cd/dvd. can i be pissed?


when i realized yesterday that i had yet to get a 'your order has
shipped' email, i wrote to sony to ask where my stuff was. i received an
email today telling me that my items shipped yesterday. their email said
i am getting a booklet, but i'm not sure what to expect. i thought for
sure i would get the cd early (as others did), but i had no such luck. i
shouldn't have let the 'lure of the booklet' sway me to pre-order from
sony.


deb

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>
> yes.  i pre-ordered from sony and got the poster on saturday.  cd w/
bonus
> dvd arrived today.  i missed the autographed booklet.  did you get the
> shipping e-mail last week?
> --
> dd
>
> at 08:48 pm 2/17/2004 -0500, mary ferrara wrote:
> >in a message dated 2/17/04 8:45:38 pm est,
> >victoria.heckler@ppfa.org writes:
> >
> > > so, if you haven't gotten the actual cd yet (folks have said the
> poster
> > > arrived days before the cd), wait until you get the actual cd
before
> > you freak
> > > out.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >did anyone in atlanta get the cd.  i got nothing...no poster,
booklet,
> cd.
> >so, i went out and bought garrison starrs new cd which was also
released
> to
> >day!
> >
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the same thing happened to me. i got the poster instead of the booklet even though my order confirmation and shipping notice both show the booklet. my cd/dvd was in the poster box. i'm furious! wait until i give sony a piece of my mind tomorrow. i'll never order from them again.

>from: mark donajkowski
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>
>i come home to see  a poster box at my house
>i say oh cool i got a poster
>no it was my ig
>i got the poster and didnt get the book even though i ordered as soon as the email was ent out and well before they say they ran out
>their customer service office is closed needless to say i am not amused
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well, i ordered the cd/dvd/autograph book from sony, the confirmation letter
said so, and i got the poster with my cd/dvd and no autograph book....:(


disappointed in nh,
jen

apparently, the poster was sent to pretty much anyone that pre-ordered the
album from sony -- in addition to the cd/dvd and autographed booklet (if you
ordered it).  so, if you haven't gotten the actual cd yet (folks have said
the poster arrived days before the cd), wait until you get the actual cd
before you freak out.


victoria


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i don't know why but i can't use the search engine at ticketbastard on
my webtv unit.
but i thought i heard on the radio that indigo girls are coming to mpls
in april on the radio,
and i'm having trouble  finding t on ticketbastard......it would help if
i didn't have to
click on each link at the left of the page!  would someone please look
and get back to me?


barb


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i, too, received the poster/album today and was similarly disappointed,
having gotten a confirmation email saying that i'd successfully ordered the
autographed booklet.


so i emailed sony's customer service and got an almost immediate reply,
stating that everyone who preordered got the poster, and that they'd just
gotten the autographed booklets yesterday and that those of us who were
among the first 500 preorders would be receiving the booklets in the mail
within the next ten days.


ruth


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ig are in their studio - can someone please tape and convert it - it is not
streamed to the best of my knowledge!

(yeah, i have storage space too)


they are on the morning show!


tia


*loving the dvd, needing to write back to the people who offered the bottom
line boot - god - what an awesome bunch of tracks for 14 bucks!*


mike r.


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hello all,
can someone send me the e-mail addy for the coupon for the free live cd. i
seem to have deleted it. thanks.
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hey y'all,
can the people who have rec'd the poster confirm what it is?  is it the animated a&e (back of the cd) image?  i too ordered from sony and have rec'd nothing, not even a debit from my account!  so i went to my local independent record store and got the cd/dvd/ird stuff yesterday and can probably get the poster from them as well eventually.  so i might tell sony to f*ck on off, i can live w/o an autograph!!  please let me know what the poster y'all got looks like to make the final decision.
thanks!!!!!
peace,
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sounds like this has happened to many of us!  i also got confirmation that i
was getting the booklet.  i was super excited to see a box from sony on my
doorstep, but disappointed that it contained my cd/dvd and a poster and no
booklet.  i think that sony will have many irritated phone calls today!
:)
mi rinda


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sent: tuesday, february 17, 2004 10:09 pm
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the same thing happened to me. i got the poster instead of the booklet even
though my order confirmation and shipping notice both show the booklet. my
cd/dvd was in the poster box. i'm furious! wait until i give sony a piece of
my mind tomorrow. i'll never order from them again.


>from: mark donajkowski
>reply-to: mark donajkowski
>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
>subject: totally pissed better check your orders folks
>date: tue, 17 feb 2004 19:41:53 -0500
>
>i come home to see  a poster box at my house
>i say oh cool i got a poster
>no it was my ig
>i got the poster and didnt get the book even though i ordered as soon as
the email was ent out and well before they say they ran out
>their customer service office is closed needless to say i am not amused
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i called them today they said
we are mailing the books by themselves.
i asked why we did not recieve an email recarding
they said we would have to send out over 500 emails
i told them well you could have put it up on the  web site
she didnt respond to that and just reiterated i would recieved my signed book shortly


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date: wednesday, february 18, 2004 9:49 am
subject: re: totally pissed better check your orders folks


> sounds like this has happened to many of us!  i also got
> confirmation that i
> was getting the booklet.  i was super excited to see a box from
> sony on my
> doorstep, but disappointed that it contained my cd/dvd and a
> poster and no
> booklet.  i think that sony will have many irritated phone calls
> today!:)
> mi rinda
>
> -----original message-----
> from: indigo girls mailing list [indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org]on
> behalf of marci dahms
> sent: tuesday, february 17, 2004 10:09 pm
> to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
> subject: re: totally pissed better check your orders folks
>
>
>
> the same thing happened to me. i got the poster instead of the
> booklet even
> though my order confirmation and shipping notice both show the
> booklet. my
> cd/dvd was in the poster box. i'm furious! wait until i give sony
> a piece of
> my mind tomorrow. i'll never order from them again.
>
>
>
> >from: mark donajkowski
> >reply-to: mark donajkowski
> >to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
> >subject: totally pissed better check your orders folks
> >date: tue, 17 feb 2004 19:41:53 -0500
> >
> >i come home to see  a poster box at my house
> >i say oh cool i got a poster
> >no it was my ig
> >i got the poster and didnt get the book even though i ordered as
> soon as
> the email was ent out and well before they say they ran out
> >their customer service office is closed needless to say i am not
> amused>
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hey everyone -


i didnt see this posted yet, so if it has already been posted....sorry....got
this email from them the other day


92.9 wbos brings indigo girls to the paradise lounge on wednesday, february
25th at 7pm for another exclusive wbos private concert! how do you get tickets?
just listen to wbos.


starting february 18th, listen to wbos daily for any indigo girls song. be
the 7th caller (617-931-1111) and you're in! we've also set aside additional
tickets, just for wbos v.i.p.'s.


you can also enter to win a free pair of tickets by becoming a vip on their
website - www.wbos.com....


unfortunately since i live in providence and i dont get wbos.... i'm looking
for any kind soul who wins tickets to help me out.... i will pay you for my
ticket.... since i got screwed out of the show last promo tour by the people at
strawberries.....


peace
sasha


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date:         wed, 18 feb 2004 11:44:43 -0500
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i got the poster with my cd yesterday, and i was wondering if anyone would
like it.  i'll ship it to you at no cost of course.  i don't want it, but
don't really want to throw it away.  please email me at
kate_s_wagner@hotmail.com if you'd like it.


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as i expected (knowing how i am everytime i get a new ig release) i have
mixed thoughts and feelings about atwli.....for the most part
being a folk lover at heart and part classically trained musician.....i
believe their is no greater
gift in music than the human voice.... no matter how good or bad it
might sound, it cannot and will never be immitated no matter how
sophisticated the technology.


that said...for the most part the instruements are just way too loud
which is too bad for tether....where they got a wonderful melody, good
rockin sound....now let's bring amy's strong and wonderful alto up above
it all so she doesn't sound like she's struggling to be heard.


the drums totally ruin it for emily on quite
a few songs like free in you,, fill it up again, and especially rise
up,......that makes me appreciate the song atwli.  i wish i could have a
full album's worth of that, it;s so peaceful and rich.


dairy queen is good....perfect world again.way over produced
.....cordova is absolutely wonderful change of pace for amy....sure i
miss the guitar and the western feel it had, but i would love to hear
more of amy with the piano.


i wish i could listen to rise up more but i couldn't even get through
the first minute of the
song because once again  the instrumentation way too loud.


so...that's my review for now. it'll probably change with time.....still
their best album of
all time is rites of passage. (that's over produced as well....but the
voices stand out
still. now if they would only learn from that.)


peace
barb


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arg!!!  i knew that when we went away for vacation they'd come to boston!
my sis in law went with me to the paradise for the by release tour.  it was
awesome!!!  anyone who goes have a great time.  boots???


peace,
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> hey everyone -
>
> i didnt see this posted yet, so if it has already been
posted....sorry....got
> this email from them the other day
>
> 92.9 wbos brings indigo girls to the paradise lounge on wednesday,
february
> 25th at 7pm for another exclusive wbos private concert! how do you get
tickets?
> just listen to wbos.
>
> starting february 18th, listen to wbos daily for any indigo girls song. be
> the 7th caller (617-931-1111) and you're in! we've also set aside
additional
> tickets, just for wbos v.i.p.'s.
>
> you can also enter to win a free pair of tickets by becoming a vip on
their
> website - www.wbos.com....
>
> unfortunately since i live in providence and i dont get wbos.... i'm
looking
> for any kind soul who wins tickets to help me out.... i will pay you for
my
> ticket.... since i got screwed out of the show last promo tour by the
people at
> strawberries.....
>
> peace
> sasha
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...it's been claimed!


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i haven't even gotten a reply to the e-mail i sent to sony yesterday. no cd,
no dvd, no poster, no booklet. nothing. grrr....


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ok, this beats all.  i got the cd case, no cd and no dvd (also no poster).  i called sony and they said someone would get back to me in 2 weeks.  when i asked to speak to a supervisor, no one was conveniently available.


is there another number i can call?  this is the number i called 1-800-255-7514.  anyone have a better number?  i could have bought this at tower records, and at a discount, as well as had it on the release date.


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wow, this is a huge fiasco!  i can't believe all this.


g.

on wed, 18 feb 2004, mary ferrara wrote:


> ok, this beats all.  i got the cd case, no cd and no dvd (also no
> poster).  i called sony and they said someone would get back to me in 2
> weeks.  when i asked to speak to a supervisor, no one was conveniently
> available.


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js>boy, ron, what in the world were you expecting?  "indigo girls in their new
crossover debut,
js>doing it like limp biskit, or ella fitzgerald"?


  i think what i was trying to get at is that they were -- both of them -- on a
path of expanding their styles with both sots and cons.  at that point, amy's
range (and productivity) expanded to the point where she took a part of her
expanded style out of the "ig" realm and moved it to her solo realm.  (that's
not a bad thing.  i think it expanded her range.  on by her "ig" songs are kind
of in one vein, but here i think amy's songs have a lot of range yet she still
considers them "ig" songs.)  for emily, i think she was expanding her style with
"caramia" and then "trouble" but when amy took her harder-edged stuff away from
"ig" that seemed to restrict what _emily_ considered proper "ig" songs.  there
aren't any harder-edged emily songs on either by or atwli.  so, to me, more and
more of emily's songs start sounding like each other.  her stuff runs together
more to me than amy's stuff.

js>as almost sacrilegious-and against all that they stand for-as it is, i could
almost hear someone like lynard skynard doing ["tether"].


  i highly recommend the cd "southern rock opera" by a band called drive-by
truckers.  it's a great piece of work (although not very ig-sounding) and it
might change your perception of what the phenomenon of lynyrd skynyrd was (and
wasn't) about.  (it's a concept album _about_ lynyrd skynyrd.  sigc: kelly
hogan, who guested on amy's "black-heart today" also guests on a track or two.)

js>["cordova"]: all in all an ok song, interesting to have a piano,
js>which i think ron is right about when he mentions
js>it's the first time amy's been backed by one,
js>at least one that's so stark and obvious.


  i wonder if this isn't emily on the piano here since there is also another
keyboard that might be carol isaacs.  when someone gets to interview them, make
sure to ask emily which were tracks where she played piano.


-- ron


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no boston show tho????


*pout*
mike r.
now playing: the grey album!


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i don't know if this is the exact same problem but i "pre-ordered" the new cd like russell carter advised us to do in writing over two weeks ago through amazon.com.


i find out that my order is still being "compiled" and that i might get it next week. i could have just walked into a music store and walked out with it by now.


what is the point of pre-ordering if we are kept waiting?


-scott


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sorry to those of you that don't have your tunes yet, but those of you th=
at=20
got the dvd can see how many list members you can pick out of the audienc=
e. i=20
haven't watched it yet but my wife said she saw victoria.


cheers-
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yes. 'twas me.  i'll be happy to autograph your atwli booklets if you
send them to me and make a $5 deposit in my pay pal account.


victoria


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sorry to those of you that don't have your tunes yet, but those of you
that=20
got the dvd can see how many list members you can pick out of the
audience. i=20
haven't watched it yet but my wife said she saw victoria.


cheers-
todd


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she's in one dvd and suddenly she's demanding money for autographs. soon
she'll be demanding a limo to all her concerts and have her own
bodyguard.....


john.


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yes. 'twas me.  i'll be happy to autograph your atwli booklets if you
send them to me and make a $5 deposit in my pay pal account.


victoria


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sorry to those of you that don't have your tunes yet, but those of you
that
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audience. i
haven't watched it yet but my wife said she saw victoria.


cheers-
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um, do i have to send a sase, or will you pick up the return postage?


;)


bon


on wed, 18 feb 2004, heckler, victoria wrote:


> yes. 'twas me.  i'll be happy to autograph your atwli booklets if you
> send them to me and make a $5 deposit in my pay pal account.
>
> victoria
>
> -----original message-----
> from: indigo girls mailing list [mailto:indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org]
> on behalf of todd green
> sent: wednesday, february 18, 2004 4:57 pm
> to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
> subject: pick a fan........
>
>
> sorry to those of you that don't have your tunes yet, but those of you
> that
> got the dvd can see how many list members you can pick out of the
> audience. i
> haven't watched it yet but my wife said she saw victoria.
>
> cheers-
> todd
>


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that's right i called the cities 97 and they confirmed  it, it's on
earth day (yay!!!!!!!!) at
the orpheum theater in mpls.......tickets go
onsale not this friday...but next friday.


that's all i know...the dee jay knew nothng about any presales but said
they'll announce it
on the cities 97 if there is one.   i'm so excited!!!! i wanted to see
them on earth day
last year!


see ya all !!!


barb


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here is the allmusic.com review. i thought the "tones" description was fu=
nny.=20
unlike major publication reviews (ie rolling stone, etc) allmusic usually=
=20
gives a pretty good accessment without being so opinionated(personally th=
at=20
is). enjoy - todd

artist  indigo girls


album title  all that we let in


date of release  feb 17, 2004


amg rating 4/5


genre  rock


tones:  brooding, wry, earnest, literate, earthy, laid-back/mellow, poign=
ant,=20
refined/mannered, rousing, calm/peaceful, gentle, bittersweet, freewheeli=
ng,=20
wistful, reflective, delicate, searching, dramatic, fractured, knotty


styles  folk-rock, adult alternative pop/rock


nearly 20 years on, and indigo girls are still spinning their dualistic t=
ales=20
of love, anger, and life. over the years, the formula has had its bouts w=
ith=20
rigidity -- for a while there, it even threatened to reach obsolescence=20
(think of the phoned-in late-'90s effort shaming of the sun). but emily=20
saliers and amy ray did a wise thing with 2002's become you, returning to=
the=20
threads of personal experience that had made their folk-rock tapestry so=20
strong in the first place (and reducing their sound). all that we let in=20
continues indigo girls' throwback arc, opting for just their longtime ban=
d=20
with a few well-placed guests. (for example, pedal steel player mark van=20
allen and cellist david henry make saliers' darkly searching "come on hom=
e" a=20
particularly velvety moment.) all that we let in has some fun before gett=
ing=20
to the serious stuff, opening with a pair of strong tracks taking differe=
nt=20
routes to a rootsy hook. carol isaacs' organ shines on the warm and invit=
ing=20
"fill it up again," which despite musing about getting dumped does so wit=
h=20
the promise of refueling and hitting the open road. and despite it being =
the=20
same old trick, darn it if it isn't comforting to once again hear the=20
intertwined yearn of saliers and ray's harmonies. ray's "heartache for=20
everyone" opts for a skipping ska off-beat, in its own way suggesting the=
=20
1986 housemartins jingle "happy hour." "perfect world" is a well-crafted=20
indigo girls single, broadcasting its message of universal hope with eart=
hy=20
lyrical allusions and tasteful touches of accordion and recorder. there a=
re=20
still demons in their world, which they take on with typical pluck. "dair=
y=20
queen" deals again with relational drama, while "tether" is live-wire raw=
=20
with its crazy horse distortion and desperate foment. "do we tether the h=
awk,=20
do we tether the dove?" ray and guest vocalist joan osborne wonder. a=20
neighbor spits out his chaw. "we need a few less words dear," he says. "w=
e=20
need a few more guns." like the best indigo girls work, all that we let i=
n=20
continually dwells on the dynamic of internal, emotional tumult and=20
outward-looking, world-wondering fervor. its strongest example of this co=
mes=20
in the album's twilight. as saliers' inner joni mitchell resurfaces for t=
he=20
heartening but bittersweet prodigal friendship number "something real," r=
ay's=20
trademark activist fire smolders mournfully in "cordova"'s darkness. it's=
the=20
album's truest stretch, and proves indigo girls haven't lost a step even =
as=20
they look back to their musical roots. -- johnny loftus


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i also received the poster in place of the booklet.  i e-mailed sony today,
and the reply was that the booklets were not in at the time of the mailing of
the cds.  they also said that my booklet had shipped on feb. 17th.  so, maybe
you will all receive yours shortly.


wendi


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i decided not to mess with all the different offers. last time i ended up
with like 3 copies of by to get the promo discs, then i had to sell/give
away the extras, and worrying about it all just made it a huge hassle.


a friend of mine pointed out then that it really wasn't fair of them to
put tracks on promo discs and then make you have to buy extra copies just
to get all those special tracks. and i was like, hmmm, you know, that's
right. i had to question how ig can have their non-materialistic values
and then allow the record company to pull a collect-'em-all stunt like
they did with by. i'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and
assume they either didn't have control or didn't realize people would feel
compelled to go as nuts as i did. :)


so this time i decided i'd just take advantage of one offer, and the ird
one seemed better because it had extra music. so i just went to
http://www.the-ird.com, found a store within a reasonable drive (kiss the
sky in batavia, il), went there yesterday, got the ird promo cd and the
disc with dvd included, and got home and listened. yay! if there's stuff i
don't get, like a poster or a booklet, so be it, it's just stuff, and if i
had it it'd probably just end up in a pile anyway.


let's hope that when they go indie they won't pull these complicated deals
on us anymore. if they want to give fans extra stuff, which is very nice
of them, they should just release it with all the cd's put out in the
first month or so to all stores. i understand they're trying to drive
traffic to independent stores, but people who live in the middle of
nowhere shouldn't have to suffer for buying a cd at a chain, should they?


-andrea


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they must be getting quite a few calls! this was just sent to me and i haven't followed up with them at all. :)<br>
 <br>
susan<br>
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<td valign=top align=left><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color=#000000 size=2>dear sonymusicstore customer, <br><br>thank you for your recent purchase of the indigo girls' new release <i>all that we let in</i>.<br>due to technical problems, some customers did not receive their autographed booklet.<br>we apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you, and want to assure you <br>that your autographed booklet has since been shipped to the address indicated on your order.<br><br>if you have any questions regarding your order, please contact us at smfcustomer_services@sonymusic.com <br><br>or use the link below:<br><a href="http://www.sonymusicstore.com/store/customerserviceform.do">http://www.sonymusicstore.com/store/customerserviceform.do</a><br><br>sincerely yours,<br>the sonymusicstore customer service team<br><br></font></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>
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on 18 feb 2004 at 13:32, garian wrote:


> wow, this is a huge fiasco!  i can't believe all this.
>
> g.


i've had this problem with other pre-orders and decided with ig's
not to pre-order.  i almost did because i was lead to believe that
only if you pre-ordered would you get the dvd.  boy was i
surprised when i went into target today (i was in court all day
yesterday and couldn't get to the store before closing) and found
that the dvd was included!  yippeee.  can't wait for the kids to go
to bed tonight so i can watch it alone!  :-)  i sat waiting outside court
today reading the lyrics over and over and over again.  some great
lines!


michelle
"i'm lonely tonight
i'm missing you now,
i'm wanting your love
you're giving it out,
i'm lonely tonight....."
  - amy ray


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ok.  so this is so unfair that they're coming when i'm out of town!!!!!  =
here's your chance folks. wxrv.com  boots!!! and if you get to go, tell =
them that jen sent you..


peace,
jen


come join us with the indigo girls in the river music hall
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intimate performance on thursday, february 26th. a small, very lucky =
group of listeners will join us. stay tuned to the river, we'll tell you =
when to be listening for a chance to win a pair of invitations. for =
e-crew members: your first two chances come this thursday afternoon =
between 5&6pm and friday morning between 7&8am - when we play "perfect =
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tower...i got my cd on the release date (my melissa etheridge cd came a day early but there was no mail the day before the ig release...)


amazon...my order shipped on the release date so i still don't have it...


sony...no idea, haven't heard from them...can y'all stop emailing them now so they can send my cd... :)


ird...walked in...bought my cd and left...


so now you know that i am insane (i will eventually have 4 copies of the cd) but that tower is the clear winner in the pre-order race....


dee:)

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on 17 feb 2004 at 12:03, ron mcbay wrote:


>   did she really try to rhyme "mystery" and
> "disarray"?  ugh.


if it were poetry (rather than music lyrics) i would tend to agree with
you.  however, "sloppy rhymes" have been used in music for
probably forever.  even in written poetry form, sloppy rhymes were
very common.  i think it works.  they meaning is more important
than the words.  and it is a close enough rhyme.


>
> perfect world
> one of the few tracks i can imagine getting some radio airplay (that is, if i
> still listened to the radio anymore).  again, though, there's a subversiveness
> at work because the happy melody and arrangement belie the caustic message of
> the lyrics.


ah!  that's what i love about it.  let's give them a nice catchy tune,
get them singing it and then when they learn the words they can go,
"wow!"  that happened to me with "our deliverance"  boy, i
thought it started off as a love song ;-)


i haven't listened to the cd enough yet to really critique it.  i spent
several hours (on and off) reading the lyrics waiting for my
appearance in court (i was testifying for a friend) and am enjoyed
what i was reading.  it was nice reading the words almost fresh (not
tainted by melody except for maybe dairyqueen) so i couldn't "sing
the lyrics" and had to read them for what they were.


i actually liked that their sound wasn't too "new"  it was pleasant
plugging in the cd for the first time and going, "ah, the ig"s!"


michelle
"i'm lonely tonight
i'm missing you now,
i'm wanting your love
you're giving it out,
i'm lonely tonight....."
  - amy ray


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i'm not certain, but i think she's rhyming  "mystery" with "clear to me"
from the previous line and  "disarray" with "book of my days".  so it's
actually not a messy rhyme at all.


--
wendell


on 17 feb 2004 at 12:03, ron mcbay wrote:

>>   did she really try to rhyme "mystery" and
>> "disarray"?  ugh.
>
>
if it were poetry (rather than music lyrics) i would tend to agree with
you. however, "sloppy rhymes" have been used in music for probably
forever. even in written poetry form, sloppy rhymes were very common. i
think it works. they meaning is more important than the words. and it is
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a bunch of us are on the bottom line dvd... victoria, me, jess, and a bunch
of others.


xoxo
k


ps- just got in from the private san francisco ig show.  will post more later.


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"you can grow what you want but one day it's gonna rise up so plant what you
need to make a better stand" -- amy ray, indigo girls ("tether")
"remember there's more than this there always was and there always is" --
emily saliers, indigo girls ("rise up")
all that we let in, the new album from the indigo girls --->
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too tired to post a review (i wrote a bit about on the bbs), but here is the
setlost from the 18 feb show in san francisco:


yield
fill it up again
heartache for everyone
free in you
perfect world
galileo


who else was there?


xoxo
karen


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hi all-
given how rediculous the competition for tixs to the 2 shows (river and
bos) is - it is almost silly for me to ask - i'm not going to go into how
messed up life has been (cus when i think of it - i am much more content
that i have a mother, a friend in philly that is finally home, and my
wonderful partner...) but watching the dvd is just making me yearn - i mean
- yearn to see ig live - and i know karma is cosmic, i have helped people
get tixs (and many, many many folks have helped me out, etc.)


there is just no way i can even call bos - they arent webcast - if someone
can get on aim today from 5-6 and tell me when to call in - (wxrv is
webcast, tho all webcasts are delayed by just the nature of the technology)


and there is no boston tour date!!!!


so if anyone can help me out - email me -


thanks - and peace


mike r.


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victoria, jess, and i were on it.  who else?


if you want to read my review from the san francisco show last night, go to
the bbs.  if you're just interested in the setlist, here it is:


yield (amy broke a mandolin string, had to change it and then started over,
so we kind of heard yield twice)
fill it up again
heartache for everyone
free in you
perfect world
galileo


who else was there?


xoxo


karen


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wow, i really don't like this album at all.  last night i was listening to
it and i couldn't help just thinking how damn cheesy and adolescent i
thought the lyrics were.  i admit i was in a different frame of mind
(ahem) and i *have* been moving on to bluer pastures lately (ha ha), but i
just can't believe this album.  it's so over-produced and i agree with
what a lot of people have been saying about it.  i really wanted to give
it a chance, especially because i thought it would grow on me... but i
don't know how much longer i can stand listening to it.  i don't mean to
offend anyone who likes it, sorry.  i would really like to hear a totally
hard rocking version of tether, but i guess that's my "stag" bias showing
through.


on an nigc note, i wrote an article for the local paper here and i debated
sharing it, but here's the link.  i think it will only work today and then
the article goes to the archives and they now charge to access them. :(


http://www.coloradodaily.com/articles/2004/02/13/audience/audience02.txt


thanks for looking,


g.


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okay, here's my $.02:   first of all, by pre-ordering, aren't we helping the
new album debut higher on the charts? isn't that why stores, (like sam goody
and suncoast movies), push preordering new releases? (well, it also helps their
sales, i'm sure)...   i _gladly_ preordered the cd with poster, knowing
full-well that it most likely would not get to my mailbox by feb 17th.  you know
what? who cares?!  i can still go out and buy a copy at borders the minute they
open on the 17th, so i can still listen to the new stuff right away...  then
when my preordered copy comes in the mail, i'll have a free poster, and i'll
have and extra copy to give to one of my friends who kinda likes the girls, but
not enough to buy every cd they put out. think of it as early birthday
shopping or whatever.  i have quite a few friends/coworkers i can think of that would
be happy with atwli as a gift, and would end up really liking the album, but
would never go out and spend their own money on it, because ig's aren't their
favorite group, and they don't have unlimited cash with which to purchase
cd's.  so is it really the end of the world that i should have to buy two of
atwli?   i don't think so.  matter of fact, i'll probably buy even more, as i try
to be as supportive as i can to ig, and disseminate their music to others i
know as much as possible.   now, if you ordered a cd with an autographed booklet,
and the cd came without it, i guess you have the right to be slightly peeved
at sony...  but, they've said the booklets were simply late and are on their
way, so have a little patience, and smile, knowing that you helped ig sell more
albums in atwli's debut week, for chart purposes.   we're ig fans here...
we're supposed to be supportive of them !  :)  :)  :)


~lisa in cincy


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an observation:


considering so many folks preordered from sony (as evidenced by the serial
nature of the fiasco thread), it is nice to see that atwli is ranked #3 at
amazon.com


yes, i know lots of folks preordered more than one copy, but nonetheless,
it is nice to see it in the top 3 rankings.


and yeah, i preordered from sony, was confirmed for the autographed
booklet and didn't get it. oh well. at least i got free shipping.


:)


bon


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arrrgh!  my messages aren't posting!!  trying this again:


victoria, jess, and i were on it.  who else?


if you want to read my review from the san francisco show last night, go to the bbs.  if you're just interested in the setlist, here it is:


yield (amy broke a mandolin string, had to change it and then started over, so we kind of heard yield twice)
fill it up again
heartache for everyone
free in you
perfect world
galileo


who else was there?


xoxo


karen

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hey y'all,


sorry about the double (or more ;) ) postings.  my email is really screwey right now.  sorry!  :)


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don't forget to watch ellen tomorrow!


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> i'm not certain, but i think she's rhyming  "mystery" with "clear
> to me"
> from the previous line and  "disarray" with "book of my days".  so
> it'sactually not a messy rhyme at all.


okay.  but can we agree that trying to rhyme "stove" with "love" in atwli is just unacceptable?


and plus...the two lines just don't work together.  i would have rather have seen:


when i get home you're cooking supper on the stove
but i burned my hand and then put on a glove


see, that makes sense!


or if you want it to rhyme:


when i get home you're cooking up a small white dove
and the greatest gift of life is to know love


damn, i should have been a lyricist.


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lisa wrote...
>okay, here's my $.02:   first of all, by pre-ordering, aren't we helping the
>new album debut higher on the charts? isn't that why stores, (like sam goody
>and suncoast movies), push preordering new releases? (well, it also helps their
>sales, i'm sure)...   i _gladly_ preordered the cd with poster, knowing
>full-well that it most likely would not get to my mailbox by feb 17th.  you know
>what? who cares?!  .....so is it really the end of the world that i should have to buy two of
>atwli?   i don't think so.


oh my, you are a marketing department's dream.


i still don't have my cd (nor poster, nor booklet, nor a second item i ordered) from sony. could i go out and purchase a second copy of atwli? sure. can i afford another copy? you bet. can i afford a copy for all my friends? yup. will i step inside another store to buy another copy? no way.


why? because i've been around marketing groups way to long and have a cynical concern: what if sony purposely held back shipments knowing full well that ig fans in general would simply go out and purchase a second copy anyway? how's that for driving up sales? think marketing groups don't do such things? think again. it just so happens that npr is running a story on marketing tactics tomorrow afternoon that you all might want to give a listen to. from the preview i heard today, it just might make you re-think a few things.


now i'm not saying that this is what happened with all our pre-orders. my job experience has had me involved in numerous large-scale ecommerce projects so i am well aware of the multitude of problems that can occur between the order form we complete online and the actual order fulfillment. but to hear folks say, "it's ok that i didn't get the autographed booklet even though my order confirmation said i was getting it. i still love ig" or "i knew full-well that i wouldn't get the order on time so i just went to get a second copy cuz i knew it would help drive up their sales" is a gullible load of @#&%!. this isn't about ig; this is about a very large company not completly following through on what they promised.


think of it another way -- imagine going home tonight looking forward to enjoying a night of couch-vegging. you decide to order a pizza. you call pizza joint one. they say they will deliver your pizza within 45 minutes. if you pre-pay, they say, you'll give you a free bottle of diet coke. you say 'cool' and place your order. but two hours pass and still no pizza or free diet coke. so instead of asking pizza joint one to uphold their end of the deal, you think, "well, i knew it wouldn't arrive in time so i'll just call pizza joint two to send the same order". who cares, right? after all, when the order from pizza joint one finally arrives you can always give it to your neighbor. (i'll leave it up to all of you as to whether at this point we should break into que sera sera, kumbaya, or hammer and nail)


as carrie bradshaw might write, "am i missing something?"


deb


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all right, call me sexist... well, actually don't, because i'm not and it'll just make me cry, but!


it's interesting, i've been trying to read everyone else's reviews as they come in, and i've noticed something: the men are not nearly as thrilled with this album as most of the girls.  but dig, i'm sure there are a fair amount of women on this list who probably can't stand some of emily's interesting rhyming choices either, but you guys are tearing in awful deep, aren't you?


you're all welcome to your opinion, and the girls, while i'm sure they care, are probably ok since you already bought the cd anyway, regardless of how much you like it.  i'm not upset by your opinions, i'm just wondering why the guys seem so much more down on it.


anyway!  *i'm* off to listen to atwli again, since i just love the album.  : )


jason hare <hare@optonline.net> wrote:
> i'm not certain, but i think she's rhyming "mystery" with "clear
> to me"
> from the previous line and "disarray" with "book of my days". so
> it'sactually not a messy rhyme at all.


okay. but can we agree that trying to rhyme "stove" with "love" in atwli is just unacceptable?


and plus...the two lines just don't work together. i would have rather have seen:


when i get home you're cooking supper on the stove
but i burned my hand and then put on a glove


see, that makes sense!


or if you want it to rhyme:


when i get home you're cooking up a small white dove
and the greatest gift of life is to know love


damn, i should have been a lyricist.


jason


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~juliana


"part of emily is saying, 'we're working hard, and now you just shot us in the foot.' but i feel like we're shut out of that (rolling stone) anyway, so why not go out in a blaze of glory?" ~amy (indigo girls) discussing emily's reaction to "lucystoners".


"overload the ruler with information and [he'll] kill you just to simplify things."
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hey everybody,


long-time list member, infrequent poster...  just wanted to ask if anyone knows the onsale date for the wilmington de show?  on the ig site, there is no link to buy tix, and i checked some ticket selling sites, and couldn't find it listed.  so, i'm assuming (and hoping) the tix haven't gone on sale yet.  anyone know when they go on sale?  or if they already have, where i could buy them.  thanks for the help!


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i know that not everyone can afford to do this, but flowers on the bay at
888-217-9119 will accept donations toward a bouquet.

send flowers to a random couple at sf city hall


a minnesotan got the idea to have congratulatory flowers delivered to a random
gay couple on the steps of san francisco city hall, and now he's trying to
start a movement.


he called a florist and they agreed to do it. he told them to deliver to any
couple -- it didn't matter who -- standing in line to get married, with his
blessing. the card will read simply "with love, from minneapolis, minnesota."
once they understood, they were very touched and thought it was a great idea.


he told another co-worker who did the same thing. and now we want to start a
movement. wouldn't that be cool if people from all over the country, gay,
straight and otherwise, started sending flowers to the people waiting in line
to get married.


http://www.livejournal.com/community/twin_cities/517426.html#cutid1


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the de show is a make-up show from last winter.  all tickets held for =
the original show will be honored for the make up show, but there are =
still some tickets available from the venue's box office, so give 'em a =
call!!!


victoria


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hey everybody,


long-time list member, infrequent poster...  just wanted to ask if
anyone knows the onsale date for the wilmington de show?  on the ig
site, there is no link to buy tix, and i checked some ticket selling
sites, and couldn't find it listed.  so, i'm assuming (and hoping) the
tix haven't gone on sale yet.  anyone know when they go on sale?  or if
they already have, where i could buy them.  thanks for the help!


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at 2:30 pm -0800 2/19/04, juliana smith wrote:


>it's interesting, i've been trying to read everyone else's reviews
>as they come in, and i've noticed something: the men are not nearly
>as thrilled with this album as most of the girls.  but dig, i'm sure
>there are a fair amount of women on this list who probably can't
>stand some of emily's interesting rhyming choices either, but you
>guys are tearing in awful deep, aren't you?


just my opinion, but i think you're reading into this and picking out
something that isn't there.  my love of indigo girls has nothing to
do with whether i'm a guy or a girl.  and by the way, i don't care if
you're a guy, a girl, a hybrid or an alien...there is no excuse for
rhyming "stove" with "love!"  they look the same!  that's it!  but if
we really wanna get technical, here's the other problem.  and...keep
in mind, i love this song.


every verse in the song is describing a specific instance.  the
couplets all go together with each other.  except that last one.  she
talks about walking down to the cemetery and then coming home to her
loved one cooking supper on the stove, and then makes a statement
that, while appropriate to the situation in a general sense, could
have been written better so it was better connected to the other
three lines.  it's as if she said "when i get home, you're cooking
supper on the stove...and too many cooks spoil the broth."


>you're all welcome to your opinion, and the girls, while i'm sure
>they care, are probably ok since you already bought the cd anyway,
>regardless of how much you like it.  i'm not upset by your opinions,
>i'm just wondering why the guys seem so much more down on it.


you really think amy and emily would think, "well, whatever, he
doesn't like it, we still got paid"?  i doubt they give a shit about
my opinion, but i doubt the money has anything to do with it.


btw, i guess you missed it in my e-mail, but i'm kinda writing
tongue-in-cheek.  it's my favorite way to write.


>anyway!  *i'm* off to listen to atwli again, since i just love the album.  : )


well, lah-dee-dah, missy!  :)  fwiw, as i posted a while ago, i like
the album very much.  it's not my favorite, and i do think it's
overproduced, but it does have some great moments.  just like some
people won't be able to listen to "heartache for everyone" without
shuddering, i probably won't hear that last line without banging my
head against a table...and that's gonna be hard to do at a concert
(unless i'm front row).


seriously, though, please don't make this into a guys vs. girls
thing.  i really don't think that's what it is.  i'm all about the
music, and that's what i'm responding to.


jason


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well...
i ordered the mle cd from tower and got it the saturday before the release
tuesday, and the same with the ig release from sony - the saturday before the
tuesday. usually with amazon, they don't seem to ship their stuff until the
release date - i know my tales of a librarian came about 3 days after the release
date. it also could be that i'm in california - i think both sony and tower
ship from ca?
:p
lisa


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the near rhyme doesn't bother me. in fact, the only place rhymes like that
bother me is in the carol "the holly and the ivy" because nothing rhymes,
but back when it was written, they probably did...


anyway. all that we let in. i think that song is soooooo beautiful.  it's
obviously just because you're an icky man that you don't like it, jason.
(just kidding!!!)


i think that line is related to the rest of that verse, and i don't think
the meaning-unit break should be in couplets but in four line verses...
the speaker has just been walking in the cemetery, and getting home to a
wonderfully warm kitchen full of food being prepared by somebody who loves
you is a very nurturing and life-affirming thing. another thing you
wouldn't know about since you're an icky icky man! (just kidding again!!!
really! men rock!)


i love this song so much it gives me chills just to read the lyrics, let
alone to listen to it. it's by far my favorite on the album, even though
there are kickier songs, which is what i usually prefer.


-andrea


icky man jason wrote:
> every verse in the song is describing a specific instance.  the
> couplets all go together with each other.  except that last one.  she
> talks about walking down to the cemetery and then coming home to her
> loved one cooking supper on the stove, and then makes a statement
> that, while appropriate to the situation in a general sense, could
> have been written better so it was better connected to the other
> three lines.  it's as if she said "when i get home, you're cooking
> supper on the stove...and too many cooks spoil the broth."


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i've gotten over my initial fiercely negative reaction (which was really only
the first listen) and now i'm thinking it's not a bad album. one perfect world
is awesome, tether freaking rocks, cordova's made me cry a couple of times, and
all of emily's songs are pleasant on the ears.


but but oh my god, there are so many places where the production is like a
crime against nature. and this from a fan to whom most of these songs were
brand new. to wit:


* heartache for everyone. i think i might have heard this live once, but
honestly it's hard to tell once those crack clowns got through with it.
honestly, the album to me is suggestive of what would happen if amy lost a bet,
or got blackmailed, or was somehow otherwise forced to re-invent one of her
songs for a guest talent show in some resort in the catskills like the one in
the end of dirty dancing.


* dairy queen. rather than calling it starkville 2 (i see what y'all mean, but
of me starkville was written as an eerie and haunting song, and the production
captured that, as opposed to this sort of plunky thing) but i'm thinking more
of gone again 2: it was great when it was just amy and the mandolin, maybe even
better with emily's vocals, and weighted down to ordinary by all the
instrumentation. what a waste of a wonderful song. it just makes me sad, you
know?


* atwli. in general i like this song well enough (although jason is totally on
my page re: the mismatched rhyme of the last line and its general lameness) and
i have faith that the "ooo-oo-oo"s work just fine in concert. on the album,
however, they're so damn saccharine that i can't get 20 seconds into the song
without wanting to pour salt into my ears. who let that happen?


okay, enough kvetching. does this make me one of the boys?


mandy,
pleased she gets to stand in a corner with jason and neil


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i think mandy has hit it perfectly for me.  as someone who loves swamp
ophelia (produced by peter collins) i was excited when i heard he was
working with ig again.  until i heard by that is.  my least favorite ig
cd, until now.  with by, i liked many of the songs but hated the "album"
version.  i chalked this up to amy's desire to get back to their
acoustic roots, (even though their self titled release rocked far more
than by).  but now i have to question the pc choice!
and i love cons so i'm not against production.


with the new cd, i don't think the songwriting is as strong as by, but
the production choices are  terrible.   it's not that i dislike ska
music, but hfe is not ska, it's really bad ska.  and that's the
difference.  and the production choice are bad through out the cd.


i was fortunate to go to the bottomline show in december and hear many
of the songs in their more raw form and they are much better than this
cd would indicate.  not the best, but better than the cd shows.  emily
seems to still be in funk, her lyric "there's still life in the old girl
yet" ( or whatever it is) seems to indicate someone who has doubts/has
doubted their own relevance.  and her other songs seem ro reflect this
as well.


that said i will still be going to the ballet, and still hoping for some
texas dates on this tour.  they have not done a real show here since
october '99.  but i'm hoping for a 2400 curfews to hear these songs free
of the pcollins treatment.


diane


mandy burton wrote:


>i've gotten over my initial fiercely negative reaction (which was really only
>the first listen) and now i'm thinking it's not a bad album. one perfect world
>is awesome, tether freaking rocks, cordova's made me cry a couple of times, and
>all of emily's songs are pleasant on the ears.
>
>
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greetings. a regular lurker here who used to be a poster in the past in need
of some help.


anyone know the pre-sale password for the april 19 date at the blue note in
columbia mo?


onsale date is monday march 23.


thanks. and my twenty-two cents on the cd while i'm here: i like it. not as
much as become you, but a lot. it is overproduced, but not in a way that is
too terribly distracting.


heartache for everyone is a wonderful song, i think. very ska sounding,
which i dig. i think a bunch of people here have said they dont dig it. i
never heard the acoustic version, but i love this version. as someone i know
said : it's like they were sitting around listening to a bunch of old
records by the specials. totally on the money with that observation i think.
i love the lyrics too. that whole bit about  i might take the high road and
be done with this.....followed by i'll give you six more weeks.... aint that
the story of half our lives!


the song that i cant get out of my head at the moment, tho, is all that we
let in. i too was immediately reminded of philosophy of loss, which i love.
but i love this one more even tho im not really sure the lyrics all work or
that anything in there comes close to this gem from philosophy of loss,
which is brilliant songwriting from someone in their late 30s:


"whatever has happened to anyone else/
could happen to you and to me/
and the end of my youth/
was the possible truth/
that it all happens randomly."


i just turned 40, so i was on the downside of the mid-30s when that came out
and man, it blew me away.


my point: when emily is on lyrically, she writes poetic universal truths
that can hit you like a lightning bolt and be as illuminating. im not sure a
lyric that hits that height has jumped out at me yet on this cd. but to be
fair, i downloaded it off apple's music store and havent printed out any
lyrics and read them yet.


but my bigger point, and there's been some discussion here on this but i'd
like to hear more opinions: on the early cds, i think emily was a far
superior songwriter than amy. amy started to catch up on swamp ophelia. and
i think now, she's an equal at the very least. i think become you had some
really great songs from both of them.


but amy has just been on a tear: im thinking of songs like ozilline, gone
again, all of her stuff on shaming of the sun, starkville! yield, become you
etc. -- in no particular order. and stag was wonderful too. but amy isn't a
universal-knock-you-off-your-feet lyricist. at least not for me. anyone else
have another opinon?


the other interesting thing about their songwriting -- and i interviewed amy
after come on now social came out and said this to her and she laughed and
agreed -- is  that over the years, they've actually picked up each other's
styles on a lot of songs.


the example on cons that i mentioned to amy during the interview was "i
heard gone again and thot amy is doing an emily song. and then i heard
trouble and thot, wait, emily is doing an amy song.''


i hear that on this cd with cordova and rise up, for instance. i think
that's totally cool.


bottom line: not their absolute best, but pretty damned good. and after 15
years of listening to them prolly at least once a day in my musical
meanderings (something is always on no matter what im doing. 8,000 songs and
counting on my ipod!) they still sound fresh, they are still stretching.


and they still surprise me often. i mean ska!


all i can say is this cd makes me hope really really hard that they keep
making indigo girls records no matter where their outside projects and
ventures take them.


ok, ive rambled long enough. thanks to those who indulged and have made it
this far. and please help with the columbia mo presale password if you can.


thanks much and happy listening.


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nice to know all your reviews...now if i could but only hear it for myself!=20=
=a0=20
all i got was an empty autographed jacket, no cd and no dvd, and today is=20
friday 4 days after it was released...this sucks! =a0 never again!


by the way, this is my first ever ig album purchase...what an introduction t=
o=20
their music! =a0 extremely disappointed...


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> * heartache for everyone. i think i might have heard this live once,
> but
> honestly it's hard to tell once those crack clowns got through with it.
> honestly, the album to me is suggestive of what would happen if amy
> lost a bet,
> or got blackmailed, or was somehow otherwise forced to re-invent one
> of her
> songs for a guest talent show in some resort in the catskills like the
> one in
> the end of dirty dancing.


owch. i loved the song live...


when i first listened to the album version, i was disappointed about
some of the "over-producing"
but upon listen after listen... its the one song i've been stuck on.
and the one i've had in my head.


i love it! maybe not as good live... but heartache for everyone makes
me want to dig out all of my old ska tapes from high school...


of course... that's probably why lots of people don't like it.
i have a feeling amy didn't loose a bet on this one. she took a chance.
when you reach, not everyone is going to be pleased, but you will
continue to show your range and growth as an artist.


i'm going to go jam to track 2 now on the way to work...


kate


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to be honest, the album really is growing on me.  a few weeks ago i was
disgusted by it.  i'm starting to like some of the the arrangements  i didn't like
so much before (but i still prefer the acoustic versions).  hfe is going to be
the one that takes me the longest, that is if it ever grows on me.


anyway, when i woke up to lots of emails titled "why do you hate me, peter
collins?" i was cracking up.  arrgh, i was so (and to an extent am still) angry
with peter collins a few weeks ago.  hell, i wanted to start a petition to
have him never produce another ig album again.  great title, mandy!


xoxo
karen
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i was just wondering ... what do you guys mean when you refer to atwli
as being "over-produced"?


to me, over-producing is when each track is laid down separately and
each note is meticulously enhanced or purposely distorted, etc. -- like,
for example britney spears' songs (not that i don't enjoy britney) --
but you can hear that her vocals are cut and pasted together, for lack
of a better word.


atwli doesn't give me this impression. yeah, there are lots of
instruments and drum beats and keyboards where we aren't used to hearing
them, but this isn't supposed to be a live cd.  it's a studio album, but
it doesn't sound dead or muted -- the vocals are crisp and clean.
granted, it lacks the rawness of old school ig -- but i think this album
is way way way more interesting than become you (which i hated).


victoria


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btw, before we make any generalizations, my sex is female.  and most
people tell me that my gender presentation is pretty damn feminine despite
my best efforts...

on thu, 19 feb 2004, juliana smith wrote:


> it's interesting, i've been trying to read everyone else's reviews as
> they come in, and i've noticed something: the men are not nearly as
> thrilled with this album as most of the girls.  but dig, i'm sure there
> are a fair amount of women on this list who probably can't stand some of
> emily's interesting rhyming choices either, but you guys are tearing in
> awful deep, aren't you?
>


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the girls were great!  can't wait to see them live soon!


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hi,
i have some extra tickets as i bought a whole block on the floor - my
tickets are in rows h, i, j and i have some extra's.  same price, $35.00
thanks,
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heckler, victoria wrote:


> the de show is a make-up show from last winter.  all tickets held for the original show will be honored for the make up show, but there are still some tickets available from the venue's box office, so give 'em a call!!!
>
>victoria
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>hey everybody,
>
>long-time list member, infrequent poster...  just wanted to ask if
>anyone knows the onsale date for the wilmington de show?  on the ig
>site, there is no link to buy tix, and i checked some ticket selling
>sites, and couldn't find it listed.  so, i'm assuming (and hoping) the
>tix haven't gone on sale yet.  anyone know when they go on sale?  or if
>they already have, where i could buy them.  thanks for the help!
>
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http://www.macmerc.com/news/archives/1270


good luck - now if i could just get an email saying someone had an extra to
the paradise lounge show


(and rules say you can only enter once argh!!!)


mike r.


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the girls were great! they sang "perfect world" and
then came back and sang "closer to fine" over the
credits. ellen sang ctf with them. i saw her sing it
at lilith fair with them, and it was fun to see her do
it again. it was also nice that she showed her whole
tv audience that she's a big enough fan to know all
the words. they didn't play the whole song, but since
it was their second song that was ok.


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who? huh? what? ahhhh! whad i miss?  where were they great?


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the girls were great!  can't wait to see them live soon!


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on 20 feb 2004 at 15:10, bethany ward wrote:


> who? huh? what? ahhhh! whad i miss?  where were they great?
>


ellen's show replays late nights on oxygen about a week or so
later.  i can't watch the first run so always catch it at night.  you can
check when it is coming on here:
http://www.oxygen.com/ellen/


the only problem is that most of the time you only know what is
showing today, so you have to check every day for who will be on.


michelle
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i'm missing you now,
i'm wanting your love
you're giving it out,
i'm lonely tonight....."
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hello all - as a lurker for the past 8+ years, i just couldn't help but share my frustrations with this one...  sony, ahhh... sony.  sure, they messed up initally, and no one got their booklets initally.  well, mine arrived today.


mine arrived.  it's the cd case (signed).  without a cd.  (seem a bit wasteful?)  it arrived separately from the cd and poster.  in a separate mailer.  (seem a bit wasteful?)  don't even get me started about how i didn't ask for the poster, and, had i been given the option would've said "no thanks."  instead, the tiny cd and the big poster were delivered in a big box.  (seem a bit wasteful?)


i feel bad that the girls probably never had a chance to guide sony on "ways of being less wasteful."  for goodness sakes, "perfect world" just about directly addresses these issues.  here i sit listening to "perfect world", looking at my two cd cases and extra mailers.  ug...  sony....


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look at it this way, you can always recycle the mailers and the poster.
if the extra mailers hadn't been shipped to someone as eco-conscious as
yourself, they might have been used to ship some bling-bling merchandise
to a ja rule fan somewhere who won't recycle them.


;)


victoria


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i couldn't afford to pre-order the cd from sony or anywhere else, but i do have
some cash now (thank you irs!) and i'm trying to decide where to pick up my
copy.


the closest ird store (the only one in the whole state, btw) is in louisville,
and i'm not sure that the promo extra is worth the gas to get there from here.
there are a number of independent retailers close by that i could purchase the
cd from, but of course they won't have those attractive extras beyond the dvd,
which i understand comes with just about every copy.  a number of folks have
posted that they bought multiple copies to get all the trinkets and now they
need to do something with them.


do i try to purchase an extra copy from a fellow fan, or do i support a local
business by getting my copy from them?


or, even better, do i wait until all the extra copies people bought get sold for
cheap on ebay?  ;)


anna


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still no cd/dvd, just an empty signed case....


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chances are you've probably heard some crossover ska and not even known
it.
no doubt and the might mighty bosstones are the big ones.
while hfe still might not be for you, the instrumentation makes a bit
more sense after hearing some ska.


there are probably some listees more familiar with ska than i... but
here's a basic definition:


http://www.wordiq.com/cgi-bin/knowledge/lookup.cgi?title=ska


ska is a form of jamaican music which began in the early 1960s.
combining elements of traditional mento and calypsowith an american
rhythm and blues sound, it was a precursor in jamaica torocksteady, and
later, reggae.


the sound of the ska was created at studio one in kingston, jamaica.


the music of ska is known for the placement of the accented guitar and
pianorhythms on the upbeats. the word ska may have a onomatopoeia
origins in a tradition of poetic or possibly even musical rhythms.


guitarist ernest ranglin, said that "the offbeat guitar scratching that
he and other musicians played was referred to as 'skat! skat! skat!'"


ska's popularity has waxed and waned since its original inception, and
has had revivals of note in england in the 1980s (known as two-tone),
and another wave of popularity in the 1990s (referred to as third wave
ska).


the two-tone era was named after the similarly titled record label,
formed byjerry dammers, keyboardist of the specials. other artists on
this label includedthe selecter and the commercially successful
madness.


the biggest selling american bands of third wave ska were the mighty
mighty bosstones and no doubt, both of whom fused ska with rock and
punk music to the point of losing almost all jamaican elements in their
musics.


> i don't mean to be elementary, but i've now read that hfe is a "ska"
> song about 175 times!  what is "ska"?  weaver


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now we're talkin'. if you want to hear some sweet sweet ska check out=20
"foundation ska" by the skatalites. its a compilation on the heartbeat la=
bel,=20
which is known for some good reissued stuff, most notably is sir coxsone=20
dodd's back catalog of stuff from his studio one label. ska is great but =
the=20
ig song sounds much more like modern ska than the old jamaican stuff.=20
actually it sounds like amy is singing karaoke over a less than jake song=
=2e=20
boo that comment if you want but its true. having said that, its good tha=
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they are playing out of the box.


cheers-
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i just saw the ellen show......i just loved everything....one question
though....just
out of curiosity is that a tie emily has on?


whatever it is it' s becoming, and different.
the camera crew really did a good job, and
everyone looked good, but amy is just so
sexy, her eyes just shine, who knows she just
might win me over again......(perfect world just
rocked.....sounded good on surround sound.)


i'm sooooooo glad they're coming to mpls and this time it will be the
orpheum theater, and not at the state.....the state is good but their
security is kind of tight regarding cameras.


but anyway...on the down side of the ellen appearance.....no
interviews!! lol  boowho!


peace,


barb....who is still playing their new cd (just not at the
moment......i've played it about four times since tuesday.)


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hi --


sorry, i no longer have the post, but a few digests ago, when we were
lambasting the sony preorders <g>, someone mentioned that s/he received a cd
case -- no dvd, no cd.  um, at the risk of sounding silly, did you check to
see whether the booklet in the cd case was autographed?  because the
autographed booklets are actually empty cases with autographs on the booklet
cover.


ruth


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1 april -- orlando, fl, hard rock cafe
15 april -- houston, tx, aerial theater
16 april -- austin, tx, stubbs
17 april -- dallas, tx, granada
20 april -- madison, wi, orpheum
22 april -- minneapolis, mn, orpheum
26 april -- charlottesville, va, charlottesville performing arts center
30 april -- birmingham, al, alabama theater


xoxo


karen


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in a message dated 2/20/04 8:15:54 pm eastern standard time,
ritesofpassage9@webtv.net writes:


> but anyway...on the down side of the ellen appearance.....no
> interviews!! lol  boowho!
>
>


ellen, like the rosie o'donnell show, rarely interviews the musical performer
(except bette midler, elton john, etc....)  but, how often do (did) you see
ellen (or rosie) sing with a musical guest?  i was upset since this was a taped
show, that they didn't edit better and include the whole "closer to fine"
number...what a hoot it would have been!


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in a message dated 2/20/04 8:31:28 pm eastern standard time,
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> did you check to
> see whether the booklet in the cd case was autographed?


yes, it was autographed, not that i could tell whose autograph was whose!
but today is friday, and i still have not received my cd/dvd.  like i said, this
was my first ever indigo girls cd purchase, and it has left a bad taste in my
mouth.


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basically, i'm critical of the way musicians on tv
shows.....guest musicians that is.....are usually
stuck in at the end of the show, like oh well it's just music, big
deal....and they'don't have  much time to show their lively
personalities ....
as are the many other celebrity guests on their shows.


and that's what i was getting at earlier....it's not just ellen, i'm
referring to but the tv media in general......personally i like
ellen.....i think she's
gutsy, and she's friends with my favorite band.
that's cool.  she and rosie both rock.. leno,& letterman could use some
work.....,


when i like a group i also like to see their personalities......in
interviews really bring that
out in ways that add to viewers enjoyment and i'm not just talking about
ig.


my  .02 worth.


barb


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in a message dated 2/20/04 10:57:51 pm eastern standard time,
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> i think all musicians should get more time on tv talk shows period.
>
>
>


again, it all depends on how much the talk show host is into music, and into
the musical guest.  remember, these shows have segment producers that pick the
guest to have on the show, who is hot, who has something new to promote,
etc...


rosie only talked to musicians she liked, bette midler, elton john, wynonna,
etc... a lot of time really goes to commercials and sponsors.  my other
thought is that the musician gets to produce a 'whole body of work' whereas, the
movie or tv guest gets a little time to explain a whole body of work with a small
clip.  who know? <shrugging shoulders>


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coming out of lurking...what's with the keyboards?...love the acoustic
versions on dvd...emily's still writing some prettiest ballads...not stretching much
though...miss the edge/rockier the amy usually brings...maybe on her solo
records instead...hfe reminds me of black heart on amy's solo cd...like that one
better actually...wish they'd do an all acoustic album...their songwriting is
so good they really don't need anything more than their voices and 2
guitars...the arrangement sometimes really killed the song for me...


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mary ferrara wrote:


<snippage>


>>rosie only talked to musicians she liked, bette midler, elton john,
>>wynonna,etc... a lot of time really goes to commercials and sponsors.
my >>other thought is that the musician gets to produce a 'whole body of
work'


<more snippage>


rosie has interviewed a+e on her show.  she also had clips of their
songs on that audio clip playing thing she'd mess with from time to
time, and she mentioned going to see them at the beacon theater...seemed
to know the lyrics to their songs too. i don't exactly recall which song
they played, but i'm thinking it was something from sots perhaps...i
have a copy of that on video tape somewhere.  the asian chick from the
view (lisa ling?) also interviewed ig after they played peace tonight a
few years back. made it a point to say that, "they are not a couple!"


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really enjoying everyone's take on atwli.  i have never been a good
reviewer but am a random muser.  i tend to listen to ig for the music
and harmonies as opposed to the lyrics and production  as long as there
are harmonies, you can have a rap beat in the background for all i care
let alone some harmless ska.  with that said the album (just dated
myself--they're cd's now right?) is growing on me.  i rate the cd's by
how many songs get skipped and how soon i'm skipping them.  right now
i'm skipping cordova and something real because they bore me musically.
  cordova is bound to be my usual amy skip.  throw it in there with
keeper of my heart, compromise, nuevas senoritas and cut it out.  i'll
try them again later.


the oo oo ooohs on the song, atwli originally were painful but are more
manageable after a few listens.  kinda gave me flashbacks to airplane
squealing and the roches or even ulali's burn all the letters tribal
chantings.  fill it up again is wonderful. rise up will be a great sing
along with the peppy chorus as long as you can get around the bizarre
rise up  your dead line.  sounds more like a seance than a galileo type
sing along.  so harmony-wise the album is a big plus.  they sound great
singing together.  the best since swamp ophelia.


lyrically, the album is simple.  i agree with all who've talked about
amy's songs being more well written and seemingly more meaningful.  i
don't need deep messages and have always enjoyed when the messages are
simple (when you learn to love yourself you will dissolve all the
stones that are cast).  with that said, emily's messages are really
really simple and plain.  not really disappointed but surprised for
sure.


"we've gotta twirl with this world"--then it'll be time for a snack and
nap time, kids!


"fresh boys playing football"--while a lovely sight i'm sure, the most
random line on the album (next to of course the stove/love incident).


"stacking sandbags against the river of your troubles"--why stop
there--how about building gutters for the roofs of our lives.  not
working for me.  reminiscent of the dreaded landlocked travels line.


i had to look up some words as usual.  as a native new yorker, the term
tether was not familiar nor was the image of tethering hawks and other
land fowl.  great imagery though once i visited dictionary.com


i also had to look up the word toughies thinking there had to be some
meaning outside of big meanies that i was missing.  nope--just big
meanies--emily, you are killing me!


for others dumb like me:


manumission


\man'u*mis"sion\, n. [l. manumissio: cf. f. manumission. see manumit.]
the act of manumitting, or of liberating a slave from bondage. ''given
to slaves at their manumission.'' --arbuthnot.


nice!  that amy sure is smart.


i think i've taken up enough space.  keep posting reviews!  of the
shows too!--greg


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in a message dated 2/21/2004 1:59:15 am eastern standard time, klasiu@hawaii.rr.com writes:


> i don't exactly recall which song
> they played, but i'm thinking it was something from sots
> perhaps...


i dont have my video tapes with me, but the first time ig was on rosie, they sang "closer to fine"...the second time?


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i remember seeing them do soon be to nothing on rosie when cons was released.


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trying to throw in my $0.02 without ruffling too many feathers. :0)


color me an apparent fan of over-production because i friggin' love this
album. being that the honeymoon period isn't over yet (and i'm not entirely
sure that the become you honeymoon has even ended...and then, there's swamp
ophelia, but i digress), it's hard for me to rank them...but this one is
right up there.


questionable rhyme schemes aside, the mental images that emily's words
conjure up still give me shivers. i love "the fields are filled with fresh
boys playing football". i don't even know why. i don't even like boys!
wait...qualify that...i like boys. i just don't *like* boys. yeah, you get
it. whatever.


and, she doesn't write up-beat songs anymore? what's that you say? can we
talk about fill it up again or rise up (both of which, i might point out,
have 'up' in the titles)? free in you? not up-beat? ok, maybe it doesn't
really *sound* up-beat, i'll give you that. but, being in love is pretty
up-beat. imho, of course. em's in love. more power to her. all that we let
in...the "ooo ooo ooo"s got to me at first, but once amy jumps in...oh
goodness. rhyme "stove" and "love" all you want. you got me. can't say as i
agree that emily's song-writing has gone downhill either. there's life in
the old girl yet. (come on, you knew that was coming...)


amy. amy, amy, amy. my first reaction to heartache for everyone? "awesome!
ig does ska! that's something new!" i'm pretty sure that i heard this song
live before too, but obviously don't remember well enough to be disappointed
by this version. i have to say, tether is not my favorite. maybe that's
because it sounds like stag and seems a little out of place on an ig album?
i don't know. (thanks to whomever clued us in on "manumission".) dairy
queen. i can see starkville 2. but, any song called dairy queen? that's
awesome. cordova makes me cry. 'nuff said.


personally, i watch movies or listen to music or read books for some sort of
emotional reaction. if the acting is shoddy or the cd is "over-produced" or
the writing is sub-par, but i get something out of it (whatever that might
be), i can overlook mediocrity. i ain't saying this disc is mediocre, but
i'm saying that i don't really analyze the production of things too closely
if i just like 'em. those of you who do, good for you. you're the ones who
are holding our entertainers to high standards. good on ya. :0)


where's michelle malone? is she working on a new album or something? anyone
else struck by her complete absence? after seeing her play with them in
seattle and sing on at least half of the songs, i expected to hear her on
this one. is joan osborne taking over as the 3rd indigo girl?


ok, i think i'm done.


amy m.


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i believe the technical term is "near rhymes"  

peace,
eileen


>from: michelle leifur >reply-to: wieldingwords@cox.net >to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org >subject: re: all that we let in -- my review >date: wed, 18 feb 2004 18:56:23 -0600 > >on 17 feb 2004 at 12:03, ron mcbay wrote: > > > did she really try to rhyme "mystery" and > > "disarray"? ugh. > >if it were poetry (rather than music lyrics) i would tend to agree with >you. however, "sloppy rhymes" have been used in music for >probably forever. even in written poetry form, sloppy rhymes were >very common. i think it works. they meaning is more important >than the words. and it is a close enough rhyme. > > > > >

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i have been accepted to graduate school at the university of south =
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in a message dated 2/21/04 5:18:36 pm eastern standard time,
indigrrl1200@hotmail.com writes:


> where's michelle malone? is she working on a new album or something? anyone
> else struck by her complete absence? after seeing her play with them in
> seattle and sing on at least half of the songs, i expected to hear her on
> this one.

hellloooo?  michelle just released stompin ground; that's why she was touring
with ig.  she was scheduled all over the place to.


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agreed!  i like the difference between studio and live, it *should* be there, otherwise why bother doing both?  and though i live in the uk, i have my precious fillmore boots to hear the live versions

peace,
eileen


>from: "heckler, victoria" >reply-to: "heckler, victoria" >to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org >subject: re: why do you hate me, peter collins? >date: fri, 20 feb 2004 11:04:24 -0500 > >i was just wondering ... what do you guys mean when you refer to atwli >as being "over-produced"? > >to me, over-producing is when each track is laid down separately and >each note is meticulously enhanced or purposely distorted, etc. -- like, >for example britney spears' songs (not that i don't enjoy britney) -- >but you can hear that her vocals are cut and pasted together, for lack >of a better word. > >atwli doesn't give me this impression. yeah, there are lots of >instruments and drum beats and keyboards where we aren't used to hearing >them, but this isn't supposed to be a live cd. it's a studio album, but >it doesn't sound dead or muted -- the vocals are c risp and clean. >granted, it lacks the rawness of old school ig -- but i think this album >is way way way more interesting than become you (which i hated). > >victoria > >-- >please do not send excessive amounts of quoted text and/or nigc, >long signatures, attachments or flames to the list. >indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq: >http://www.pixelopolis.com/ig

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helo all
i have an old earth jam shirt for sale
its from april 1995
and has date and picture on front
and list of bands on back
including
ig, luscious jackson, jeff buckley, band de soleil,
and lots of others
its about a large (tag is cut out)
cream color
and is in great shape
except ......
there are quite a bit of spots
but mabe someone will want it
for memory sake or something
write if you are interested
and just make an offer
thanks
lauren


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