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date:         wed, 31 mar 2004 23:53:18 -0800
reply-to:     "janice l. monforton" <jmonfort@csci.clark.edu>
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at my local b&n i found the gay magazines in the "men's interest" section,
near hunting magazines and the like. i find it a little disturbing to
think of girlfriends mag being associated with men's interest. makes me
wonder if guys are buying it to get their jollies. eww.
-sam (tickled pink that there's a nice big butchies ad on the back of the
magazine)
>
> all of a sudden, i hear some familiar music on the sound system. turns out the shop is playing altwi and that inspires me. as amy is launching into "dairy queen" i start to look again and success!!!  i find the magazine buried behind the other "women's interest" magazines about hair care and wedding dresses.
>

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date:         thu, 1 apr 2004 09:01:22 +0100
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as we are nowhere near a b&n or borders we got our copy from a really nice
online bookstore - have a look at it here

www.libertas.co.uk

they have an enews list and apart from books sell jewellery, videos/dvds and
'perfect playthings' :-)

enjoy!

hannah

original message from: "janice l. monforton" <jmonfort@csci.clark.edu>
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> at my local b&n i found the gay magazines in the "men's interest" section,
> near hunting magazines and the like. i find it a little disturbing to
> think of girlfriends mag being associated with men's interest. makes me
> wonder if guys are buying it to get their jollies. eww.
> -sam (tickled pink that there's a nice big butchies ad on the back of the
> magazine)

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date:         thu, 1 apr 2004 12:23:11 est
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hey everyone --

    thought i'd offer my $.02 on this topic.   i really like the show. yeah
it has some flaws, but geez, give it a break -- it's essentially a soap opera.
i mean that quote from emily in girlfriends, ("who are these people? where do
they live?")... that could be said about a majority of the shows on tv!
plus, i've heard from several people that alot of the lesbians out in hollywood
really do look that femme-y, etc.  and she judges it that harshly after seeing
only one episode?  i've watched every ep. so far, and i've watched it improve.
i mean, it's still a soap opera, but it has improved alot since the first,
say, 4 or 5 episodes.  though i can see where maybe they were trying to play
toward any straight males that might be interested in the pilot and the first
couple reg. episodes, i am sensing less and less of that.  and i thought that
scene with them all singing ctf over and over again on their road trip, (with
alice's mother looking like she was going to go crazy by the end), was funny and
so true!  i know i've experienced similar situations on road trips with
friends. it made me smile.

     i think that the show is cute.  yes, the girls are all femme and hot,
(tv=escapism); and yes, sometimes they try to cover too much territory, or get a
little cliche'd, but they've got a limited amount of time to work with, and
it really is groundbreaking to have a show exist that is centered around
lesbians. maybe the next show made for/by us, (that will come to be at least partly
because the l-word broke ground), will have some more normal-looking people in
it...  or maybe, just maybe, tptb will listen to our comments, and write some
more realistic characters into next season!  i just really think that some
people are being way too severe in their judgement of this show, not even giving
it a little time to grow, ready to trash it after just a couple episodes. i
don't know, if you don't like it, you have every right not to watch, but some
of the things being said just seem way too harsh. there _is_ such a thing as
too much "political correctness."  too many women in our community were ready to
jump all over this show before the pilot even aired.  i gave it a chance,
cringed a little here and there over the course of the first few ep's, then began
to see improvement and growth. i have hope that it will be even better next
season, (as this entire season was already taped before even one show aired, so
tptb weren't working with much feedback from the public while writing or
filming it).

     sorry i got a little long-winded, but i get so aggravated with people
not giving things a little bit of a chance before tearing them to shreds. what
if amy and emily hadn't been given a chance to grow by people who saw them back
in the mid-eighties as a bar band, playing covers interspersed with their own
songs that sometimes were shining gems, sometimes were more "diamonds in the
rough," and sometimes just plain ol' _sucked_. new concepts need room to grow,
or they'll die before they can even try to improve. (that's actually what's
wrong with the music industry today... if you can't serve up a money-making hit
on your first try, they let you go... but that's a whole other can o' worms).
   i don't want to start a big argument or anything, but i had to say
something in defense of my show, (one of the _only_ shows i watch, by the way...  i'd
say my time in front of a tv each week is probably less than two hours).

:)  lisa in cincy

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date:         thu, 1 apr 2004 10:36:09 -0800
reply-to:     jer <sobaroque@yahoo.com>
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tickets for the northampton show are onsale now
through iheg.com.  i just got third row center
tickets, so there are still plenty of great seats
left.  and the best thing, the website lets you choose
your specific seats.  really cool.

jer

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date:         thu, 1 apr 2004 13:51:33 -0500
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i couldn't agree with you more...you're two cents were well spent!

jen


>from: lisa savu <vespista1971@aol.com>
>reply-to: vespista1971@aol.com
>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
>subject: re: l word cast sings closer to fine
>date: thu, 1 apr 2004 12:23:11 est
>
>hey everyone --
>
>     thought i'd offer my $.02 on this topic.   i really like the show.
>yeah
>it has some flaws, but geez, give it a break -- it's essentially a soap
>opera.
>i mean that quote from emily in girlfriends, ("who are these people? where
>do
>they live?")... that could be said about a majority of the shows on tv!
>plus, i've heard from several people that alot of the lesbians out in
>hollywood
>really do look that femme-y, etc.  and she judges it that harshly after
>seeing
>only one episode?  i've watched every ep. so far, and i've watched it
>improve.
>i mean, it's still a soap opera, but it has improved alot since the first,
>say, 4 or 5 episodes.  though i can see where maybe they were trying to
>play
>toward any straight males that might be interested in the pilot and the
>first
>couple reg. episodes, i am sensing less and less of that.  and i thought
>that
>scene with them all singing ctf over and over again on their road trip,
>(with
>alice's mother looking like she was going to go crazy by the end), was
>funny and
>so true!  i know i've experienced similar situations on road trips with
>friends. it made me smile.
>
>      i think that the show is cute.  yes, the girls are all femme and hot,
>(tv=escapism); and yes, sometimes they try to cover too much territory, or
>get a
>little cliche'd, but they've got a limited amount of time to work with, and
>it really is groundbreaking to have a show exist that is centered around
>lesbians. maybe the next show made for/by us, (that will come to be at
>least partly
>because the l-word broke ground), will have some more normal-looking people
>in
>it...  or maybe, just maybe, tptb will listen to our comments, and write
>some
>more realistic characters into next season!  i just really think that some
>people are being way too severe in their judgement of this show, not even
>giving
>it a little time to grow, ready to trash it after just a couple episodes. i
>don't know, if you don't like it, you have every right not to watch, but
>some
>of the things being said just seem way too harsh. there _is_ such a thing
>as
>too much "political correctness."  too many women in our community were
>ready to
>jump all over this show before the pilot even aired.  i gave it a chance,
>cringed a little here and there over the course of the first few ep's, then
>began
>to see improvement and growth. i have hope that it will be even better next
>season, (as this entire season was already taped before even one show
>aired, so
>tptb weren't working with much feedback from the public while writing or
>filming it).
>
>      sorry i got a little long-winded, but i get so aggravated with people
>not giving things a little bit of a chance before tearing them to shreds.
>what
>if amy and emily hadn't been given a chance to grow by people who saw them
>back
>in the mid-eighties as a bar band, playing covers interspersed with their
>own
>songs that sometimes were shining gems, sometimes were more "diamonds in
>the
>rough," and sometimes just plain ol' _sucked_. new concepts need room to
>grow,
>or they'll die before they can even try to improve. (that's actually what's
>wrong with the music industry today... if you can't serve up a money-making
>hit
>on your first try, they let you go... but that's a whole other can o'
>worms).
>    i don't want to start a big argument or anything, but i had to say
>something in defense of my show, (one of the _only_ shows i watch, by the
>way...  i'd
>say my time in front of a tv each week is probably less than two hours).
>
>:)  lisa in cincy
>
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date:         thu, 1 apr 2004 13:54:58 -0500
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i've watched every episode of this show.  i think it is incredibly dull
and stereotypical and completely uninventive. it's like a "30-something"
with lesbians. =20


victoria

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date:         thu, 1 apr 2004 11:12:23 -0800
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and there you have it...

thirtysomething is one of the more well regarded tv dramas.
many in the industry aspire to be as good as that show.

unfortunately, the l word opinions follow along typical tv/anti-tv
fault lines.

as for the igc of this message... i read the girlfriends' article and
emily's comment about the shows creators making the show appeal to a
wider (ie male) audience.
for what its worth, i spoke with one of the co-creators of the show
right before it aired and she went out of her way to apologize for the
way that showtime might have influenced the direction of the show,
leaning it towards soft-porn at times.

love it or hate it... it the realm of media studies, its still
groundbreaking.

kate
-who, if she could change *one* thing about the l word, would erase
that ridiculous irresponsible search for a donor by having a party and
taking the unsuspecting guy home
the next tv frontier: responsible intentional queer family making...


on apr 1, 2004, at 10:54 am, heckler, victoria wrote:

> i've watched every episode of this show.  i think it is incredibly dull
> and stereotypical and completely uninventive. it's like a
> "30-something"
> with lesbians.
>
>
> victoria

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blah blah blah.  highly regarded or not, i found "30-something"
incredibly dull.  those femmes just need to shut up, strap it on, and
get it on already.

victoria

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and there you have it...

thirtysomething is one of the more well regarded tv dramas. many in the
industry aspire to be as good as that show.

unfortunately, the l word opinions follow along typical tv/anti-tv fault
lines.

as for the igc of this message... i read the girlfriends' article and
emily's comment about the shows creators making the show appeal to a
wider (ie male) audience. for what its worth, i spoke with one of the
co-creators of the show right before it aired and she went out of her
way to apologize for the way that showtime might have influenced the
direction of the show, leaning it towards soft-porn at times.

love it or hate it... it the realm of media studies, its still
groundbreaking.

kate
-who, if she could change *one* thing about the l word, would erase that
ridiculous irresponsible search for a donor by having a party and taking
the unsuspecting guy home the next tv frontier: responsible intentional
queer family making...

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date:         thu, 1 apr 2004 11:22:31 -0800
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ok, so i was watching one life to live, like i do
every day (i know, it's sad) and there are these kids
sitting around discussing "chick bands".  the bangles
were mentioned, and then this girl was asked to name a
"chick band".  she said indigo girls, and then there
was some discussion as to whether or not they were in
fact a "chick band".  i believe the consensus was that
they were not a "chick band" even though they were a
band made up of "chicks".  regardless of all of the
issues the ensuing conversation brings up, i thought
it was kinda cool that they mentioned them.

jer

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date:         thu, 1 apr 2004 12:17:57 -0800
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> leaning it towards soft-porn at times.

i don't like it when women (or men) (or lesbians or
gay men) are portrayed as sexual objects on national
tv (i'm not anti porn, but it has it's place, ok?
national tv is not the place for soft porn.  my
bedroom is :)  the above statement makes me wonder can
lesbians can ever be portrayed as just people, or is
the sexual image of two women having sex with each
other or being together in a sexual way going to
distort and obstruct and titillate and be
sensationalized to the extent that they can not be
seen as just regular people?  i mean, shit, lesbians
are people first - who cares who they sleep with?  i
don't think i like the idea that people (some
straights) are getting this image that the actresses
on the show are representative of me and who i am -
even when i was their age i didn't look or act like
them.   who lives like that?  not me. just like most
soaps on tv nowadays, the show is too hollywoodized
and too unrealistic for my tastes.  yes, i have seen
the show many times - i wanted to see it before i
formulated an opinion of it.

this is only my opinion.  if you like the show then
good for you.  to each his own.

> love it or hate it... it the realm of media studies,
> its still groundbreaking.

i guess.

elaine

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date:         thu, 1 apr 2004 15:45:45 -0500
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ok, i've never even seen the show, so my argument is more of a theoretical
one, not about the l word itself, but i felt i needed to comment

in response to this:

"the above statement makes me wonder can
lesbians can ever be portrayed as just people, or is
the sexual image of two women having sex with each
other or being together in a sexual way going to
distort and obstruct and titillate and be
sensationalized to the extent that they can not be
seen as just regular people?"

i understand your opinion, but my point of view would be, "but regular
people have sex!"  don't you get tired of queer characters being trotted out
for a cheap laugh, a la the jack character or the rosie o'donnell cameo as
the "butch" on will and grace?  isn't part of having normal lesbian
characters on television shows seeing them kiss, be intimate, and have sex?
i agree that there are many ways to read displays of lesbian sexuality on
television (and i'm not talking about the straight girls kissing each other
for the shock of it), but i would argue that in order for to show full,
round, more realistic queer characters on television, we need to see them in
sexual situations.  only my opinion, and again...i've never even seen the
show!

kate

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date:         thu, 1 apr 2004 12:54:09 -0800
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omigod y'all!

i just got this email from rcam:

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indigo girls will be offering a limited number of
meet & greet passes for the remainder of their
2004 tour dates.  the first 100 fans to email
their address to mg@rcam.com with their name,
address, and the concert they are attending, will
be notified by email and mailed a meet and greet
pass for a small gathering to take place before
each show.  this email address will only be good
for today, so reply quickly!
-------------------->snip

i can't believe they're finally doing this!  cool!

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date:         thu, 1 apr 2004 13:11:06 -0800
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i'm not sure what could be going on - it's
working fine for me.

--- susan kleiner <skleiner@email.com> wrote:
> from: "susan kleiner" <skleiner@email.com>
> to: "tara" <tara8595@yahoo.com>
> subject: re:      meet & greet
> date: thu, 1 apr 2004 16:06:56 -0500
>
> just tried to send an email twice to this...
> the email address doesn't
> work.  anybody else have any luck?
>
> sue

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i was considering the date when mine was bounced back to me.

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let me guess......april fool!!!!!!!!!!!!


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could it be:  april fools

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i'm not sure what could be going on - it's
working fine for me.

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> to: "tara" <tara8595@yahoo.com>
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> date: thu, 1 apr 2004 16:06:56 -0500
>
> just tried to send an email twice to this...
> the email address doesn't
> work.  anybody else have any luck?
>
> sue

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oh you got me...

and it was not funny...

(cursing under breath...i made calls to friends that were long distance...)

i'm over it..

mike r.

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ahh yes, but the wise fan knows that when rcam sends out mass emails,
they usually use a hotmail return address because the volume will be so
great.

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oh you got me...

and it was not funny...

(cursing under breath...i made calls to friends that were long
distance...)

i'm over it..

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who was it that did the april fool's joke a few years ago that had me
holding up so to a mirror looking for some hidden message or something?  i
still laugh whenever i look at that cover.  and i am now going to delete
the email i had all ready to send out for my meet and greet.  you'd think
i'd learn--lol.

lisa

at 04:32 pm 4/1/2004, heckler, victoria wrote:
>ahh yes, but the wise fan knows that when rcam sends out mass emails,
>they usually use a hotmail return address because the volume will be so
>great.
>
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>
>
>oh you got me...
>
>and it was not funny...
>
>(cursing under breath...i made calls to friends that were long
>distance...)
>
>i'm over it..
>
>mike r.
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on apr 1, 2004, at 10:54 am, heckler, victoria wrote:

> i've watched every episode of this show.  i think it is incredibly dull
> and stereotypical and completely uninventive. it's like a
> "30-something"
> with lesbians.

um...  urg...  gee...

i'd have to say, thirtysomething was one of the few television shows
that really showed me what long-form television drama could achieve.
the premiere season was a bit rocky at first, but by the time the
second season came around, it was consistently proving itself as one of
the most well-written, well-acted, and (for me, in my very early 20s)
most personal shows ever aired on american television.

i understand those who say it was dull.  for people who find typical
hour-long tv shows interesting, it is dull.  there's rarely a clear
story arc in an episode until at least the midpoint, there's rarely a
huge wrap-up at the end of the episode, it's mostly about people
dealing with their lives by living them, and not in a soap-opera kind
of way, but rather more like how real people live their lives.

for me, just hitting college, feeling very lost after a hugely
difficult year abroad, and struggling with a lot of issues most of my
peers weren't even noticing in the world around them, thirtysomething
was a fantastic sounding board.  watching these very "real" people
dealing with mundane issues, and in such a literary setting (the show
has the writing and scope rarely seen since dickens), provided me with
the assurance that i wasn't insane, or stupid, but rather was seeing
things through a different, perhaps more mature lens.

the creators of thirtysomething have gone on to create my so-called
life, perhaps the definitive show about being in high school (available
on dvd in its entirety, thank the maker!), and once and again, which
has been used extensively as a springboard for discussion for divorce
support groups all around the country.

these shows might appear to be dull, but if you can find a point of
connection, they become a very deep mirror to the world, allowing
exploration of emotional space never found in soap opera shows like the
l word or queer as folk.  the only show i've ever seen that comes close
is nypd blue, and that isn't one i connect with that well.

i've watched the l word, and queer as folk...  gave each of them a 3
episode chance to make me care.  neither of them succeeded.

graham ames
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> from:    marysnshne <marysnshne@yahoo.com>
> subject: re: l word cast sings closer to fine
>
>> leaning it towards soft-porn at times.
>
> i don't like it when women (or men) (or lesbians or
> gay men) are portrayed as sexual objects on national
> tv (i'm not anti porn, but it has it's place, ok?
> national tv is not the place for soft porn.  my
> bedroom is :)  the above statement makes me wonder can
> lesbians can ever be portrayed as just people, or is
> the sexual image of two women having sex with each
> other or being together in a sexual way going to
> distort and obstruct and titillate and be
> sensationalized to the extent that they can not be
> seen as just regular people?  i mean, shit, lesbians
> are people first - who cares who they sleep with?

it's tv. even the dorks on everybody loves raymond have sex. i think l word
has done a good job of being like every other nighttime soap. and actually,
i wouldn't mind seeing a little more marina action!

> i
> don't think i like the idea that people (some
> straights) are getting this image that the actresses
> on the show are representative of me and who i am -
> even when i was their age i didn't look or act like
> them.   who lives like that?  not me.

i think people are smarter than that. i dont think they think we're all like
that anymore than they thought 90125 or the oc or my so-called life or
thirysomething or friends is/was representative of any global universal
truth about its subjects.

i'm really happy the show is on, even if it it very tv-land hollywood
unrealistic.

it was cool to see the dirty little secret of the cluster chart revealed.
that still makes me howl that the alice character was keeping that
who-slept-with-who chart. in real life, my friends refer to it as "the
cluster"  it was also totally cool to see that closer to fine scene. there
have been many, many moments that made me laugh out loud.

the l word is a tv show. not the best one ever. not the worst either. but it
is ground breaking because it is about lesbians. and it will pave the way
for others.

i watch almost no tv, but started to watch this because i felt compelled to
support it. now i watch cause i like it.

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victoria said:
>
> blah blah blah.  highly regarded or not, i found "30-something"
> incredibly dull.  those femmes just need to shut up, strap it on, and
> get it on already.
>
> victoria

yeah. cause i mean, everyone knows that femmes who are dull and uninventive just need a good f***.

susan, an unamused femme.

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well, perhaps you'd be more amused if jennifer beals got it on every so =
often. =20

victoria (who, incidentally, is a femme, looking for a good fu*k.  and =
if you look like jennifer beals, you've got the job.)

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victoria said:
>
> blah blah blah.  highly regarded or not, i found "30-something"
> incredibly dull.  those femmes just need to shut up, strap it on, and
> get it on already.
>
> victoria

yeah. cause i mean, everyone knows that femmes who are dull and
uninventive just need a good f***.

susan, an unamused femme.

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since when have tv dramas depicted "real" people? sounds terribly boring to
me...

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well, you will note that i put "real" in quotation marks.  i wasn't
trying to insist that the characters were real, but rather that the
story lines and interactions of the characters were much more genuine
than most of what television offers us.  personally, and granted it's
not a view held by all, i don't find escapist adventures or crime
dramas or "reality tv" interesting.  i'd rather come away from anything
i take in feeling like i've had my own views on life clarified through
the experience.

but then, that's also why i listen to ig.  :)

on apr 1, 2004, at 7:06 pm, rtsimantel@aol.com wrote:

> since when have tv dramas depicted "real" people? sounds terribly
> boring to me...

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i just read my email at 11:46 pm est and i knew it was an april fools joke
but i sent an email just in case before i read everyone's replies to the
original email.
in the catagory of too good to be true.
l.

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thank you graham.
i loved thirtysomething too and i think marshall-herkovitz write and
produce really great shows. i turned 30 the year it ended and whenever i get
to catch a rerun i drop everything to watch it. i always thought everything
about it was first rate and i'm disappointed when people slam it.
but that's just my opinion,
(which are like *holes, everybody has one)
l.

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> can lesbians can ever be portrayed as just people,

someone pointed out that on buffy the only long-term stable relationship
(three seasons) was willow and tara.  and there were plenty of episodes
where they were just part of the gang, and sleeping arrangements weren't
a focus or even mentioned.

(buffy was once selected as the most realistic depiction on tv of the lives
of modern people in that age group -- presumably minus the supernatural
aspects.)

henry troup
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i thought this would be of interest.

lauren

rocking our world
'queer' no longer stings; it rocks
by gina vivinetto, times pop music critic
published april 1, 2004


i was going to write a column about trendy names i heard at the
recent south by southwest conference in austin, texas, the big music
industry powwow that alerts critics to what's hep.

i always dig the funny names bands come up with - monikers such as i
love you but i've chosen darkness, shesus, swearing at motorists, god
drives a galaxy, what made milwaukee famous - witty titles that grab
the eye. what do you suppose mc trachiotomy raps about, if anything?

and dj mum's the word: do you reckon his is a very quiet set?

i also notice trends. are bands coming up with similar names? this
year, as with all previous conferences, i discovered bands all over
the globe operating on similar wavelengths.

with names, i saw themes. see if you do.

here's one batch:

pretty girls make graves

graves at sea

scatter the ashes

the graves brothers

a place to bury strangers

another:

scientific american

i love math

statistics

schrodinger's cat

granted, it helps if you know your physics for that last name.

maybe coincidence played a role, too. shooter jennings, the country-
rock crooning son of waylon jennings, was in austin performing. so
was a band called the wailin' jennys from canada. unfortunately, the
two acts were not at the same venue. neither were the catheters and
the urinals, though i suppose those two didn't need to be.

i decided to steer this column in a new direction after noticing the
names of a few bands. these bands played at different venues, but
have something in common.

the butchies

the fags

the gay

dykehouse

the names made me think of a few more bands, not at sxsw. the queers,
the homosexuals.

like the fags, the queers are a punky band, whose members, to my
knowledge, aren't gay. the guys chose the name to be bratty, sort of
like when grade-school kids call each other "queer" to be cruel.

the homosexuals, a 1970s british punk band, chose their moniker to
further alienate themselves from mainstream society. they wanted
their fans to feel alienated, too. saying "i love the homosexuals!"
the band reasoned, would be more cause for ridicule for the mohawk
set.

nowadays, however, bands such as the butchies, a punky pop lesbian
trio from north carolina, wear the name with pride. the band is led
by kaia wilson, who in the early 1990s co-fronted the pioneer "lesbo-
core" band team dresch, which went on to inspire the riot grrrl
movement in the pacific northwest.

out of that fruitful feminist political and musical movement we got
awesome tunes from bikini kill, bratmobile and sleater-kinney, among
others.

none of those bands' members would have a problem with being called
a "queer." or a "dyke."

not kathleen hanna, the straight front woman of bikini kill. hanna,
who shacks up with beastie boy adam horowitz (ad-rock), went on to
form le tigre with jd samson, an out-and-proud lesbian. that band
preaches feminist and queer-friendly politics backed by hot-rocking
electronica beats.

certainly carrie brownstein, the dynamic guitarist of sleater-kinney,
wouldn't flinch at being called a queer. brownstein, who is gay, is
featured in this month's venus, a chick-rock magazine, philosophizing
about music and gay marriage.

i'm not sure of any of the sxsw musicians' political proclivities,
but many were out-of-the-closet, including fred schneider and keith
strickland of the b-52's, half of denmark's lovable dance-club duo
junior senior, folk-rocker melissa ferrick, former come and live
skull singer thalia zedek and the rootsy michelle malone.

heck, the conference's keynote speaker was little richard.

and one of the three hot featured interviews at sxsw was with ani
difranco, who calls herself bisexual. as does michelle shocked, who
also performed.

joan jett doesn't identify herself as a lesbian, but she performs
frequently at benefit concerts for gay and lesbian causes and she did
pose in the new york times with a "dykes rule" sticker on her guitar.
(jett's guitar also had a sticker on it of tinky winky, the purple
teletubby that set off jerry falwell's gaydar.)

don't get me started about queer folks' contribution to pop music,
because i don't even have the room to mention cole porter, elton
john, michael stipe of r.e.m., k.d. lang, bisexual david bowie, neil
tennant of the pet shop boys, melissa ethridge, rufus wainwright,
songwriter to the stars and former 4 non blondes frontwoman linda
perry, janis ian, the late, great and bisexual dusty springfield,
luscious jackson drummer kate schellenbach, bassist josephone wiggs
of the breeders, folk singer joan armatrading, beth ditto of blues
punks the gossip, both indigo girls, bisexual jill sobule, bob mould
and grant hart of the punk band husker du.

let's not forget boy george, rob halford of the heavy metal band
judas priest, liberace, johnny mathis, freddy mercury of queen,
george michael, morrissey, bisexual me'shell n'degeocello, blues
singers bessie smith and ma rainey (who had tempestuous relationships
with men and women and sang about them), jimmy sommerville of bronski
beat and the communards, jazz composer billy strayhorn and pete
townshend of the who (who has said he is bisexual).

those band names in the sxsw roster got me thinking about the word
queer and the hip-hop world's reclamation of the "n-word." i used to
not understand that.

but maybe reclaiming an ugly word - say, a nasty word used on the
playground to hurt you - can be empowering.

for gay people, taking "queer," "fag," "dyke" and making the words
your own can be a lot of fun. that has been our little secret until
it got on tv. some of us call each other those names daily.

just like some black folks tease one another and use off-color names.

with our increasing visibility in pop culture - with television shows
such as will & grace, queer as folk, queer eye for the straight guy
and now showtime's the l word, and with thousands flocking to get
married in san francisco - those epithets don't pack much sting
anymore.

how much impact will the playground insult "you are so gay!" have in
five years?

growing up, i heard kids saying that all the time, as if it were a
horrible thing.

heck, in five years, that may be a compliment. it may mean, "wow,
jose, you can really put a pair of khakis and keds together!"
or, "tina, your play area looks fabulous!"

when i was in grade school, calling another kid a queer was supposed
to hurt, like calling someone the n-word. comments like that came
from kids who heard mean talk from the adults in their homes. believe
me, it made it hard for those of us who really were queer to love
ourselves.

years later, it feels pretty good to see a bunch of queers on tv and
on the rock 'n' roll stage.

i like seeing little richard with the pompadour and the lipstick, now
68, getting his props at sxsw.

i like reading bold carrie brownstein, in a national publication,
saying she thinks all marriage is a sham, but if gays and lesbians
want to give it a shot, go for it.

the "q-word" stings less in this enlightened age. think about that
the next time you hear some idiot trying to use it in a nasty way.
or, heaven help you, before you might use the word negatively
yourself.

thank goodness, my two heterosexual parents, married until the day my
mom died, had the right idea: celebrate everyone for who they are.
honor everyone's fabulousness whether that person is a rock star or
your next-door neighbor.

a chinese proverb:

tension is being who you think you should be.

relaxation is being who you are.

or as little richard once said:

a wop-bop-a-loo-bop, a-lop-bam-boom.

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hey all,

the tickets to the nj show at the starland ballroom are onsale now! they
were supposed to be onsale at noon, but i went on the website a little bit
ago to check the prices and there's a link to buy them. the link sends you
right to ticketbastard.

the show is general admission, which, imo, sucks. i'm going to end up in the
back, i'm sure.

have a day of indigo goodness everyone.

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remember back when russell carter asked the list what tv shows they watched so they could run an ad on those shows for the lastest album?

has anyone ever seen one of those ads?

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yes.  i saw one on the oxygen network once or twice.

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remember back when russell carter asked the list what tv shows they
watched so they could run an ad on those shows for the lastest album?

has anyone ever seen one of those ads?

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> > can lesbians can ever be portrayed as just people,
>
> someone pointed out that on buffy the only long-term stable relationship
> (three seasons) was willow and tara.  and there were plenty of episodes
> where they were just part of the gang, and sleeping arrangements weren't
> a focus or even mentioned.

although i loved the sublines at the beginning of their relationship (the
scene where will needed tara for her magic was better than many sex scenes
on tv) by the end of season 4 it was clear that the producers surpressed the
lesbian relationship or their relationship at all. and that pissed me off,
that willow couldn't say once that she's gay or bi or lesbian or queer or
whatever. on the last episode of season 4 she tried to talk to buffy again.
it went like this: "buffy, i want to tell you ..." - "i know willow, it's
okay." but overall it was one of the sweetest couples.
btw willow and tara broke up at the beginning of season 6.
xander had a long term relationship with anya.

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although the event is closed to the public, people can
still sound outside the fence of the field and hear a
great show.
:-)carrie
>
> >association of
> >emory alumni
> >atlanta chapter
> >
> ><http://www.alumni.emory.edu/emory-weekend.htm>
> emory weekend!
> >we have highlighted a few events that may be of
> >particular interest to atlanta-area alumni. we
> >hope you will join us!
> >
> >indigo girls live and in concert
> >date: saturday, may 8
> >time: 3:00 pm - 5:00 pm
> >location: mcdonough field
> >enjoy a performance by recording artists and
> >emory alumni amy ray '86c and emily saliers
> >'85c. open to emory alumni, faculty, staff,
> >graduating students, their parents and families.
> >closed to the general public . park in peavine
> >deck and take "d" shuttle. register for all of
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i agree!

if i want reality, i'll go to the local gay watering hole.  you can see as many realistic lesbians as you want.  tv is a fantasy.  that's how i prefer it.  i think the show is doing quite well considering what they must go through trying to keep it real.  imagine how much they would be pushed to show more and be more "straight."  there is incredible pressure to conform to the white male ideals and that includes the male lesbian fantasy, which as we all know is two femme "bisexual--not gay" girls who are just getting warmed up together until the man gets time to come and service the both of them.  i think the actors are taking this seriously and they truly care how this show affects our community.  more of my 2 cents...
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i didn't watch the show regularly, but i remember
seeing one where everyone had amnesia or some such
thing. willow wakes up beside tara and says stuff
about how she's feeling this and that and then says
"and i'm feeling kind of gay" and leans over and
kisses tara.

anyone else remeber this or did i dream it?

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> that willow couldn't say once that she's gay or bi
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> i didn't watch the show regularly, but i remember
> seeing one where everyone had amnesia or some such
> thing. willow wakes up beside tara and says stuff
> about how she's feeling this and that and then says
> "and i'm feeling kind of gay" and leans over and
> kisses tara.
>
> anyone else remeber this or did i dream it?

you're right, that was in season 6 when, imo there was too much lesbian
references although this one was nice. after season 5 they changed networks
and since then they used the word gay and most of the sublines were gone.

ines

> --- ines schneeberger <ines@schneebergerbaeck.at>
> wrote:
> > and that pissed me off,
> > that willow couldn't say once that she's gay or bi
> > or lesbian or queer or
> > whatever.

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i'm surprised no one has mentioned "xena: warrior princess"=2e  while not
openly gay for most of the series run, the subtext between xena and
garbielle got quite steamy at times=2e  the show certainly generated an
enormous lesbian fan base and a lot of not at all subtle or closeted fan
fiction, both of which was openly embraced by pretty much everyone
associated with the show (actors, writers, producers=2e=2e=2e)

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> on apr 1, 2004, at 10:54 am, heckler, victoria wrote:
>
> > i've watched every episode of this show.  i think it is incredibly dull
> > and stereotypical and completely uninventive. it's like a
> > "30-something"
> > with lesbians.

on 1 apr 2004 at 17:06, graham ames wrote:
> for me, just hitting college, feeling very lost after a hugely
> difficult year abroad, and struggling with a lot of issues most of my
> peers weren't even noticing in the world around them, thirtysomething
> was a fantastic sounding board.

i think that's the key.  i found thirty-something interesting when i was twenty-
something.  but now that i am at the end of my thirty-somethings and heading into
the forty-somethings, i find it false and unapealling.  maybe because my thirty-
somethings were/are much different from the television show.  i also find l word a
bit dry and i watch almost entirely hour long programs (save will & grace and the
simpsons)  lol!  perhaps i'm looking at this show and going, "this is not real life as
i know it."

looking forward to gay network (or whatever they are going to call it when/if it
finally comes.)  then, maybe, we can have some quality programming that is
centered around mulit-orientational "families" that isn't mockery or droll.

michelle - whose life is a sitcom

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scott and all,

i was watching msnbc earlier this week, and i saw the advertisement.  it was
really brief, maybe 15 seconds.  one of the songs was playing in the back
ground (?all that we let in), and by the time i looked at the tv, i saw the
cover of the cd, and that's about it.  i wish i was paying a little bit more
attention when it came on, so i could give you more details.

diane

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remember back when russell carter asked the list what tv shows they watched
so they could run an ad on those shows for the lastest album?

has anyone ever seen one of those ads?

-scott

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i don't remember where i got it from, but i downloaded a quicktime link
to the television ad.  it's quick, 15 seconds...  i haven't even tried
to get the actual file to download, but i do know it's online if you
look around for it.  if i find it, i'll post the link.

graham ames
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on apr 2, 2004, at 4:12 pm, diane wong wrote:

> scott and all,
>
> i was watching msnbc earlier this week, and i saw the advertisement.
> it was
> really brief, maybe 15 seconds.  one of the songs was playing in the
> back
> ground (?all that we let in), and by the time i looked at the tv, i
> saw the
> cover of the cd, and that's about it.  i wish i was paying a little
> bit more
> attention when it came on, so i could give you more details.
>
> diane

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what a show...i even got more than 90 minutes...hour and 45 minutes! this
venue is magic. really. performers who usually  speak nary a word turn
chatty. lucinda williams was the last one. played for two and a half hours.
talked up a blue streak. played stuff she hadnt played for years.

amy and emily were chattier than ive ever seen them. and they played the
one cover ive always longed to hear live!

this place doubles as an old time movie house. about 900 seats. when they
walked out, amy said "well, it's cozy in here." after the first song emily
said "it really does feel like a movie theater." someone yelled "it is." she
said "i know!"

and that was only the beginning. first, here's the setlist -- but first let
me say this. and maybe this will offend some. when i used to post here years
ago there was always a cluster of listees who would get growly if you
mentioned how the girls looked. if you're still here scroll down and skip
this.

these women are wearing middle age fine. really, ive always thot they were
both attractive, but they looked hot tonight. really, really fabulous.

ok, the setlist:

perfect world
fill it up again
yield
power of two
heartache for everyone
get out the map
starkville
leaving (yes!)
ozilline (double yes!)
closer to fine
shame on you
all that we let in
land of canaan (emily was absolutely on fire on the guitar.)
mona lisas and madhatters (there just aren't enough yes's on the planet for
this. god , it was sublime. elton needs to just sign the song over to ig)
wood song
go
free in you
dairy queen
watershed (she changed the every five years i look back on my life and have
a good laugh to every five days.)
least complicated
***encore******
romeo and juliet
galileo


of all the chatter -- and there was a lot of it -- the highlight came after
about an hour of people yelling out requests between songs and them saying
"we'll consider that...." people were yelling out really old stuff like "hey
jesus" they both  remarked on the obscure requests.

and at one point emily says "you all are yelling out things that will never
be played again. some of these songs we've retired...."

amy says "retired because they were stooopid."

the crowd jeered. amy says "cmon. really. we were just youngins."

emily: "really, we had no business writing songs. we had no business having
a record contract."

amy: "we just sorta slipped by. that happens sometimes..."

later after enduring several chants for "blood and fire" emily says:

"that's probably one of those retired songs. well wait, amy, it's your song.
is it retired?"

amy: "uh...yeah...."

hooting crowd

amy, shrugging her shoulders as she put on her harmonica for, fittingly,
starkville: "i just don't ever feel that bad anymore..."

anyway, one of the best shows ive ever seen. they looked like they had a
blast.

ive been sick for days -- off from work for a few. wasnt going to shows this
weekend at all.  at the last minute i made a deal with myself. i go fri, but
give the sat ticket away to someone who wanted it.

that sat. ticket is in my wallet. i'll be back  again, fever and all!

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thanks for the review!  i love "mona lisa..." too!
my guess is that ig starting to play this song again
because itīs on the rarites disc!

robert

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>>mona lisas and madhatters (there just aren't enough yes's on the planet
for this. god , it was sublime. elton needs to just sign the song over to
ig)<<

hahaha. april fools was two days ago. this *is* an april fools, right?

otherwise i'd have to add you to my enemies list...

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you can view it on the official sony website.

http://indigogirlsonline.com/

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i don't remember where i got it from, but i downloaded a quicktime link
to the television ad.  it's quick, 15 seconds...  i haven't even tried
to get the actual file to download, but i do know it's online if you
look around for it.  if i find it, i'll post the link.

graham ames
hippybear@bigfoot.com

on apr 2, 2004, at 4:12 pm, diane wong wrote:

> scott and all,
>
> i was watching msnbc earlier this week, and i saw the advertisement.
> it was
> really brief, maybe 15 seconds.  one of the songs was playing in the
> back
> ground (?all that we let in), and by the time i looked at the tv, i
> saw the
> cover of the cd, and that's about it.  i wish i was paying a little
> bit more
> attention when it came on, so i could give you more details.
>
> diane

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what a set list!!!!...it figures that you'd have to live near west palm
beach to see that show!
mona lisa's and mad hatters????!!!!
i'd have lost my shit!
l.

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on apr 3, 2004, at 6:27 am, neil :o) wrote:

>>> mona lisas and madhatters (there just aren't enough yes's on the
>>> planet
> for this. god , it was sublime. elton needs to just sign the song over
> to
> ig)<<
>
> hahaha. april fools was two days ago. this *is* an april fools, right?
>
> otherwise i'd have to add you to my enemies list...

i thought enemies lists went out soon after the nixon administration.
:)

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another excellent show, tho not anywhere near the joyous free-for-all as
last nite. really. that was one of those shows where you stepped back for a
second midway thru and just said "damn, something special happening right
here, right now."

after the second song tonite amy greeted the crowd and said "you know, we
were here last night and had an incredible time."

much cheering.

amy: "were you here last nite."

lots of hooting.

emily: "well, we tried to change up the set list...(looking down at the list
taped to the floor.) well not that much really...hmmm."

amy: "of course, we didn't play our set list last night. things kinda veered
off...it was chaos, really."

emily: "but in a good way.'"

anyway lots more amusing banter but my favorite was emily saying fuck after
screwing up the opening lyrics to leaving for the second time.

first she couldnt remember what came after traffic "what's that word," she
says to herself, one hand to her chin, looking skyward. then she sings
"traffic lights" instead of "lines."

amy giggled. emily laughed and then said "fuck, hold on a minute." she thot
for a second and shook her head and then  started over again. very cute.

anyway, here's the setlist:

hammer and a nail
become you
fill it up again
perfect world
power of two
reunion (really cool new harmonies worked out in this one. caused the crowd
to give them a standing o in the middle of the song.)
get out the map
heartache for everyone
come on home
kid fears
closer to fine
yield
leaving
shame on you
cold beer and remote control
go
all the we let in
johnny rottentale
virgina wolf
*****encore********
jonas and ezekial
galileo

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great review.=20

=46orgot to mention amy's rocky horror picture show story brought about
by their asking us about the theatre we were in and what kind of
movies it showed. she said she didn't really see the movie, although
she'd tried to, until college because she was always in the car
drinking, that her favorite part was tim curry's entrance in the
elevator and his song (sweet transvestite, i think), who, she said,
was an incredible sexy man, or something like that.=20

we're still basking in the afterglow of three nights in a row!

cheers.

on sun, 04 apr 2004 01:14:09 -0500, you wrote:

>another excellent show, tho not anywhere near the joyous free-for-all as
>last nite. really. that was one of those shows where you stepped back =
for a
>second midway thru and just said "damn, something special happening =
right
>here, right now."
>
>after the second song tonite amy greeted the crowd and said "you know, =
we
>were here last night and had an incredible time."
>
>much cheering.
>
>amy: "were you here last nite."
>
>lots of hooting.
>
>emily: "well, we tried to change up the set list...(looking down at the =
list
>taped to the floor.) well not that much really...hmmm."
>
>amy: "of course, we didn't play our set list last night. things kinda =
veered
>off...it was chaos, really."
>
>emily: "but in a good way.'"
>
>anyway lots more amusing banter but my favorite was emily saying fuck =
after
>screwing up the opening lyrics to leaving for the second time.
>
>first she couldnt remember what came after traffic "what's that word," =
she
>says to herself, one hand to her chin, looking skyward. then she sings
>"traffic lights" instead of "lines."
>
>amy giggled. emily laughed and then said "fuck, hold on a minute." she =
thot
>for a second and shook her head and then  started over again. very cute.
>
>anyway, here's the setlist:
>
>hammer and a nail
>become you
>fill it up again
>perfect world
>power of two
>reunion (really cool new harmonies worked out in this one. caused the =
crowd
>to give them a standing o in the middle of the song.)
>get out the map
>heartache for everyone
>come on home
>kid fears
>closer to fine
>yield
>leaving
>shame on you
>cold beer and remote control
>go
>all the we let in
>johnny rottentale
>virgina wolf
>*****encore********
>jonas and ezekial
>galileo

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *=
*
*  of course, i'm respectable. i'm old. politicians, old buildings,=20
*  and whores all get respectable if they last long enough.=20
*                                 john huston in chinatown
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a day early even!  well it's still sunday everywhere but the east coast :p

happy birthday to the following listees!!!!!!!!


april 6
heidid4660@aol.com (heidi)
"a key to a room of your own and a mind without end..."

april 8, ('77)
spinsker@goucher.edu (sarah pinsker)

special request (from patricia mckeough <campgurl@yahoo.com>)
april 8
lesley "didge" ruthven (littlecanoegirl@hotmail.com)
"we're standing at opposite poles, equal partners in a mystery."

april 10 ('70)
seaphish@aol.com (sheri)
"...there i am in younger days, star gazing, painting picture perfect
maps of how my life and love would be, not counting the unmarked paths of
misdirection,
my compass, faith in love's perfection, i missed ten million miles of
road i should have seen..."

and i hope they are very happy indeed!

love and devotion,
audra
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i love jonas & ezekial!  those sound like two incredible shows.  thanks for
the reviews!
now, hopefully someone out there got boots of these.  especially the first
show.  sounds incredible!
:)
mi rinda

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i think the whole "l word thing" has been blown a bit out of proportion. i watch, and i happen to love the show ( jennifer beals curls my toes, and marina ow, don't get me started...)i would just to say a couple of things about the perceptions of this show, and what i think is very relevant! 1.) i think as glbt or what ever you identify with or as, i think we should all be a bit a excited, about the fact that there are 7 main characters, in a very popular night time tv show that are lesbians 2.)i think it is great that they are trying to some up, some people's realities behind being a lesbian ( and please don't tell me that at one time or another you haven't identified with at least one moment on the show) ie; closer to fine singalongs, obsessive love for your cat, sleeping with a crazy potential stalker....and the list goes on! 3.) by making this show appeal to both gay and straight people it opens up the door for maybe a bit of insight into the gay world, from a straight pl
ace. they already have "us" as an audience, they need to get the other people hooked, and i say do it by what ever means possible.i would like to share a story that happen just 2 weeks ago, me and my gf were visiting a friend in the hospital who just gave birth had mentioned how me and kris should consider having a baby, then the " l word" was mentioned and how he loves watching it ( for the hot chicks no doubt, but hey that is why i watch it)and he said how sad it was that "bette and tina" lost their baby! it made him think about him having his own baby soon, and made him a little weepy. so for me that right there is worth all the bullshit, and negative things that people have to say, this little show, taught, a white, very straight, man's man that the pain of losing a child is the same no matter, what sexual orientation you are. for him it became a more real and hit a bit closer to home! and last but not least 4.) there is nothing wrong with the characters, all being well
above average looking, this is television and that is what you see, it was invented to show the lifestyles of "the beautiful people" name one tv show that is made of "real people" even the real world, is made up of people who look like the stepped out of an abocromie ad, so if nothing else the l word has done exactly what every other tv show in history has done, tried to create a show, that would appeal to as many people it can, while at the same time entertaining, enraging, engaging, and maybe even enlightening. i am disappointed at the response that so many gay & lesbians have had to this little show, we should be strong and supportive to any thing that contributes to helping people see g&l life as human, be it sensational or not. like all things in this backward ass world, if you don't like it,turn it off,but for christ sake, stop judging things you don't even watch! and for the record, imho i thought thritysomething was the dullest, most self obsessed, self serving show
on tv ever, and as soon as i realized that, i stopped watching very simple!

take care,

janet
> well, you will note that i put "real" in quotation marks.  i wasn't
> trying to insist that the characters were real, but rather that the
> story lines and interactions of the characters were much more genuine
> than most of what television offers us.  personally, and granted it's
> not a view held by all, i don't find escapist adventures or crime
> dramas or "reality tv" interesting.  i'd rather come away from anything
> i take in feeling like i've had my own views on life clarified through
> the experience.
>
> but then, that's also why i listen to ig.  :)
>
> on apr 1, 2004, at 7:06 pm, rtsimantel@aol.com wrote:
>
> > since when have tv dramas depicted "real" people? sounds terribly
> > boring to me...
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you can read the whole article at billboard.com if you are interested.  but
i thought this little tidbit was interesting.  if jewel can do it why can't
ig?  there would be a huge draw for something like that!  could you imagine
taking home an excellent quality copy of the show you just saw?  i would
love it.  now, how do we get russell to consider this?
:)
mi rinda


soon jewel says fans will be able to take home a true souvenir from her
concerts: a live disc of the show they've just seen. "i never do a set
list," she says. "i talk a lot. every show is so different night-to-night.


"i'm alone on stage for two hours with an audience and you can't lose 'em,"
she continues. "you have to really stay in touch and keep them entertained
with nothing but your guitar, and that takes a lot of skills. and i think if
you did some sort of formatted generic set list you would just be completely
leaving your audience behind."


at present the plan only allows for sale of the discs at the venue on that
night. "right now we're going to be selling it like a merchandise piece,"
she says. "you know, you can order it at the beginning of a show and pick it
up afterwards. beyond that, i don't know. there will probably be a demand
for swapping shows and all that, but i'm not sure how that will work."

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a variety of artists (pixies, newsboys, the doors of the 21st century, billy
idol, abbey road on the river, the machine, jefferson starship, robby
romero, janita, antibalas) are doing this.  see http://www.disclive.com/

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hi all,
i'll be heading out to denver on a business trip in a couple of weeks ..
does anyone have any reccomendations of good music venues, etc to see while
i'm there?
-chuck

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hey kind friends,
one of my new favorite songs of the indigo girls is cordova.  i loved it when
i heard it and when i saw amy sing it live i couldn't believe the pain and
power of the song which seemed to just hang in the air.  i would absolutely love
it if any of you out there that might have a video or dvd of amy singing this
song and could pm me.  i haven't much to trade as i'm new to the list but
would be happy to send a blank or pay the cost of the disc.  thank so much.
dawn
dawnreflections@aol.com

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out on dvd the whole series
http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemid=nvg009603

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hey y'all,

three of us thought we were going to be able to hit all three texas dates,
but it looks like houston is out of the question, so we have three tickets for
that concert if anyone needs them.  just trying to recoup what we paid, which
is $35 per.  please let me know if you are interested in any or all of them.

pam in big d

see y'all in austin and dallas :-)

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hey folks,

forwarded from the news-only list.  please direct any replies to the
original sender at lynn@texas.net, not to me...

-sherlyn

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i have two extra tickets for the houston verizon gig on april 15th.  they're
at a table on amy's side.

section - tbl 106, row f2, seats 1 & 2

just want what i paid for them - $75.90 for both.

divinely inspired, devilishly run.

karen

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hi all,

another forward from the news list.  direct your replies to the original
sender at littlenicola197@yahoo.com, not to me...

cheers,
sherlyn

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hkf,

i have two tickets for the saturday, april 24th indigo
girls show at the auditorium theatre in chicago, il
for sale.  i'm in a play that i auditioned for well
after i bought the tickets, and guess what--i have a
performance that night!

they are in the 2nd balcony, row b, seats 28 and 30.
i'll sell them for what i paid for them--with
ticketmonster charges, etc., it's $68.10.

please email me at littlenicola@email.com if you are
interested.

thanks!
winona patterson

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ig have been listed on pollstar to play a second chicago show on friday
4/23 at the vic theatre for weeks.  ticketbastard is finally listing
the show which makes it real!  on sale info is as follows:

presale tickets available on 4/9/04 at 10 am

public tickets on sale on 4/10/04 at 12 pm

the vic is a general admission venue if i'm not mistaken so the presale
seems bizarre as all tickets will be equal.  if someone knows otherwise
about the vic, please inform.  this show is also sponsored by wxrt
meaning a presale  password will more than likely be emailed out this
week.  i have yet to receive it.  this is a much smaller venue than the
auditorium theatre so i can't wait!!  good luck getting seats (or floor
space).
greg

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in the post a few days ago of (i think) the first west palm beach show, it was mentioned that reunion had "new harmonies" and garnered a standing ovation as a result.

does anybody have any audio or details on how these harmonies were different?  (i'm enjoying thinking about someone trying to describe the harmonies in writing.)  the only reason i ask is because the first time i heard reunion live, i thought "wow, these harmonies are really different," but it turns out they were the same as the studio version - they were just masked by the other vocals by people like the roches.  (you can hear the plain ig vocals on the acoustic-only mix)

so i'm wondering whether the harmonies were really different or maybe the listener hadn't heard reunion live before...and if they are different, i'd love to hear them...

jason

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hey kids,

forwarded from the news list.  direct your replies to donna at
donna_m._jurczykowski@oxy.com, not to me...

cheers,
sherlyn

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i could be wrong, but i thought the vic had general admission for the
main floor level (stage level) and assigned seats for the balcony.  i
remember seeing todd rundgren there years ago, and i think that's how it
was set up at that time.

donna

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vote your opposition to ban on gay marriages

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-02-24-gay-marriage-survey.htm

this poll is running 53% in favor of a constitutional amendment to ban gay
marriage. please vote!

heidi


if the president is truly concerned about preserving the sanctity of marriage
why not make divorce illegal and stone adulterers?

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just announced, indigo girls will be doing 2 shows at the pier in seattle. 7/23 & 7/24.

susan

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here are the confirmed dates so far.  keep in mind that there are a lot of other dates floating around (including the unconfirmed new mexico date)

11-12 july- san diego, humphries
16 july- saratoga, ca (near san jose/san francisco), villa montalvo
17 july- berkeley, ca, greek theater
18 july- portland, or, portland zoo
22 july- jacksonville, or, britt fest
23-24 july- seattle, the pier
28-29 july- denver, botanical gardens

i am still awaiting confirmation of new mexico and a few dates (like la) to fill some of the gaps.

xoxox
k


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the scheduled dates so far.

sun, 07/11/04
07:30 pm
indigo girls humphreys concerts by the bay
san diego, ca find tickets
on sale now

mon, 07/12/04
07:30 pm
indigo girls humphreys concerts by the bay
san diego, ca find tickets
on sale now

fri, 07/16/04
07:00 pm
indigo girls montalvo
saratoga, ca find tickets
on sale now

fri, 07/23/04
08:00 pm
indigo girls summer nights at the pier 62/63
seattle, wa more info
on sale fri, 04/09/04 10:00 am

sat, 07/24/04
08:00 pm
indigo girls summer nights at the pier 62/63
seattle, wa

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oooo, you have even more than i did! :)

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here are the confirmed dates so far.  keep in mind that there are a lot of
other dates floating around (including the unconfirmed new mexico date)

11-12 july- san diego, humphries
16 july- saratoga, ca (near san jose/san francisco), villa montalvo
17 july- berkeley, ca, greek theater
18 july- portland, or, portland zoo
22 july- jacksonville, or, britt fest
23-24 july- seattle, the pier
28-29 july- denver, botanical gardens

i am still awaiting confirmation of new mexico and a few dates (like la) to
fill some of the gaps.

xoxox
k


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there are a great many dates listed nationwide on the official ig site,
as well as on www.indigovortex.com

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oooo, you have even more than i did! :)

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subject: west coast tour dates (to date)

here are the confirmed dates so far.  keep in mind that there are a lot
of other dates floating around (including the unconfirmed new mexico
date)

11-12 july- san diego, humphries
16 july- saratoga, ca (near san jose/san francisco), villa montalvo 17
july- berkeley, ca, greek theater 18 july- portland, or, portland zoo 22
july- jacksonville, or, britt fest 23-24 july- seattle, the pier 28-29
july- denver, botanical gardens

i am still awaiting confirmation of new mexico and a few dates (like la)
to fill some of the gaps.

xoxox
k


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see beyond the myth of isolation and the miracle of daybreak doesn't
move you anymore, connect the points and see the constellations..."
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on 7 apr 2004 at 16:16, karen r. wrote:

> here are the confirmed dates so far.  keep in mind that there are a lot of other dates floating around (including the unconfirmed new mexico date)
>
> 11-12 july- san diego, humphries
> 16 july- saratoga, ca (near san jose/san francisco), villa montalvo
> 17 july- berkeley, ca, greek theater
> 18 july- portland, or, portland zoo

this is one of my favorite venues.  i've seen some awesome
groups here. i think my favorite was actually the chieftains back in
91?  would love to see ig there!  <sigh>  i'm beginning to think it
would be easier to move pensacola to the west coast than see the
girls *here*!  :-)

michelle
"so i could only wait and watch you slip right through my hands "
  - emily saliers

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at 01:16 pm 4/7/2004, you wrote:
>here are the confirmed dates so far.  keep in mind that there are a lot of
>other dates floating around (including the unconfirmed new mexico date)
>
>11-12 july- san diego, humphries
>16 july- saratoga, ca (near san jose/san francisco), villa montalvo
>17 july- berkeley, ca, greek theater
>18 july- portland, or, portland zoo
>22 july- jacksonville, or, britt fest
>23-24 july- seattle, the pier
>28-29 july- denver, botanical gardens
>
>i am still awaiting confirmation of new mexico and a few dates (like la)
>to fill some of the gaps.
>
>xoxox
>k

wow, yet again arizona is getting the shaft. color me not surprised.
argghhhh!  are we just not "cool" enough for the ig?  sorry to be so
bitter, but they haven't been here in five years!!!!! they must have had a
bad experience, or something.

-jenna

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keep in mind that more dates are still being added.  that is just so far.  they could do an arizona date in between new mexico and seattle (that would be the 10th).

xoxo
karen

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yeah, i always hold out hope, but so far i've always been disappointed.

-jenna

at 03:08 pm 4/7/2004, you wrote:
>keep in mind that more dates are still being added.  that is just so
>far.  they could do an arizona date in between new mexico and seattle
>(that would be the 10th).
>
>xoxo
>karen

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