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date:         mon, 14 jun 2004 22:12:47 -0700
reply-to:     jer <sobaroque@yahoo.com>
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first and foremost, the northampton show rocked!  the
girls were in top form.  this was my 16th ig show, and
one of the best.  the band was there, and everything
was very, very loud.  they played
chickenman/bitterroot, which i hadn't heard in a
while.  emily's solo was amazing, of course, and the
band joined them halfway through the bitterroot part,
which was really cool.  and omg they sang american
tune!  once i hear mona lisas i can die happy...

here's the setlist, in order (i got my third setlist
and like my gazillionth pick)

tether
get out the map
heartache for everyone
power of two
become you
fill it up again
shame on you
trouble
moment of forgiveness
come on home
yield
closer to fine
dairy queen
ghost (was supposed to be free in you)
chickenman/bitterroot
least complicated
perfect world
all that we let in
go

encores:
american tune
galileo

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i must agree, the noho show was totally amazing! this was my 40 + show, and i can fairly say this one cracked the top 5, of all time! my only complaint is too much sitting! i usually hate the fleet boston pavilion, but so far that is only show people were standing up and dancing! i know the debate rages on over this one, but dancing, and singing, and standing for me is part of the whole experience. i think that when you enter a venue to see a musical concert, not a musical or ballet, or stand up comedian
( i"ll clear that up right now to save any smart assed remarks ;) you should expect to see people signing and dancing and having a good time. if you choose to sit that is fine, but i choose to stand and dance, i mean really
"can't we all get along"? things that i think don't belong at any kind of show is loud talking through the songs, we had the most obnoxious girls behind us at meadow brook, i wanted to bitch slap all four of them. i asked to please not chat during the songs, talk all you want in between, but during shut up.....simple rules to live by. when the music on dance and sing, but don't chat about useless shit the people in the other rows don't care about, ok? great! now with that said, i hope you all are enjoying your concert experiences, and i look forward to shaking my booty at the portland show!

take care,

janet

> first and foremost, the northampton show rocked!  the
> girls were in top form.  this was my 16th ig show, and
> one of the best.  the band was there, and everything
> was very, very loud.  they played
> chickenman/bitterroot, which i hadn't heard in a
> while.  emily's solo was amazing, of course, and the
> band joined them halfway through the bitterroot part,
> which was really cool.  and omg they sang american
> tune!  once i hear mona lisas i can die happy...
>
> here's the setlist, in order (i got my third setlist
> and like my gazillionth pick)
>
> tether
> get out the map
> heartache for everyone
> power of two
> become you
> fill it up again
> shame on you
> trouble
> moment of forgiveness
> come on home
> yield
> closer to fine
> dairy queen
> ghost (was supposed to be free in you)
> chickenman/bitterroot
> least complicated
> perfect world
> all that we let in
> go
>
> encores:
> american tune
> galileo
>
>
>
>
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date:         tue, 15 jun 2004 15:15:35 -0500
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<p><font face=arial size=2>hey everyone, <br><br>thank you to everyone who has written back to me, mostly people i don't even know! thank you all for your advice, words of wisdom, and kind thoughts. i did finally get to talk to jodie's surgeon today. she <strong>is</strong> going to have her gall bladder taken out. however, they want to wait until her pancreas is not inflamed. the surgeon said that inflamed tissue and dead tissue look similar and when they do her surgery they are also going to take out the dead pancreatic tissue. so, until the inflammation goes away, they won't be able to be sure that they are actually getting out the dead tissue, and all of it. if they went in now, they would very likely have to go in again. so, just one surgery is the goal, obviously.</font></p>
<p><font face=arial size=2>i don't know why the 'weekend' doctor told me they weren't taking out her gallbladder. i guess my suspicions that he wouldn't really be in the know concerning jodie and what's going on with her were right. also, jodie said that the doctors seem power hungry and want to have their theories and ideas believed and put into effect. so, even though they might not agree on everything, whomever you talk to tells you what they think is or will be going on is what's happening. so, that's why things are confusing and don't make sense. ugh. <br><br>thank you also to those of you who said you will be sending jodie something! she will appreciate anything. i don't have many ideas of what to send, because i'm not used to 'entertaining her' while she's laid up in bed and weak. i've gotten her magazines, the gameboy advance (which she requested), and some books. whatever you think of will be fine. whenever she's able to enjoy it, she will. thank you, again! <br><br>
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date:         tue, 15 jun 2004 17:14:11 -0500
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hello all,
the ig's will be on carson daly tonight at 1:35est.  i went to the taping,
however don't have a vcr to tape the show.  is there a kind soul out there
who could tape it for me?  i'll send a blank tape and a sase.
thanks,
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date:         tue, 15 jun 2004 19:49:00 -0500
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subject:      carson daly tonight 6/15
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> hello all,
> the ig's will be on carson daly tonight at 1:35est.

just to point out that the last post i saw had ig on carson daly on wed
6/16 (tomorrow). but it does appear according to all my methods of
looking stuff up that they will indeed be on tonight as said above.
just wanted to make sure the vcr tapers were aware of the apparent
change. hope they sing more than one song!

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date:         tue, 15 jun 2004 18:13:27 -0700
reply-to:     susan o'connor <tekritesue@yahoo.com>
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--- melissa virago <1honeybee@earthling.net> wrote:

i don't have many ideas of what to send, because i'm
not used to 'entertaining her' while she's laid up in
bed and weak.

i just had a hysterectomy last week. my sister came by
the hospital with all the gossip magazines ..from the
cheesy ones like the national enquirer, and the star
to the more credible ones like people. it was great!
they were right at the level of concentration i had
while i was pushing the morphine button every ten
minutes.

people have sent flowers and plants which are lovely.
however it occured to me that there are some recently
released books i have been wanting to read and wish
they knew to send those to me. you might open an
amazon wish list for her melissa, so she can make
requests on it if people want to send something but
aren't sure what she would want. it sounds like she'll
have to rest for a long time and that might be a way
to help the days pass. suggesting that people send an
amazon gift certificate is another possibility.

susan, who is getting bored and can't wait until she
can drive again...

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date:         tue, 15 jun 2004 19:59:07 -0700
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subject:      re: carson daly tonight 6/15
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there is no "change" of date. since carson daly airs past midnight,
even thought we call it tonight, it is technically tomorrow, the 16th. i'm
still amazed at the combo of ig on carson daly since he's really quite
sexist in certain ways. but hey, le tigre had their national tv debut or
something like that on carson daly a while ago so i guess you take what
you can get. and by the way, for those who missed conan last week, they
usually rerun a week later at i think 3am, so check your local listings
(gee, i sound like a commercial).
-sam (loves the late night tv)

> just to point out that the last post i saw had ig on carson daly on wed
> 6/16 (tomorrow). but it does appear according to all my methods of
> looking stuff up that they will indeed be on tonight as said above.
> just wanted to make sure the vcr tapers were aware of the apparent
> change. hope they sing more than one song!

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date:         tue, 15 jun 2004 22:10:17 -0500
reply-to:     barbara bordner <ritesofpassage9@webtv.net>
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subject:      re: carson daly tonight 6/15
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<<hope they sing more than one song....>>

.....and that he interviews them.

barb

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date:         wed, 16 jun 2004 00:23:11 -0400
reply-to:     diane wong <arle@hotmail.com>
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yip, yip! i am really glad to hear they are playing american tune--who
wants to bet that it will be on the rarities album?!! woohoo!

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<html><div style='background-color:'>for those of you who might be traveling through town (or at least the airport) this summer.......cheers, jen <br><br><br> <font face=arial size=4>state music hall of fame moving to new digs</font>
<h2><font face=verdana size=3><i><strong>organizers hope to boost attendance</strong></i></font></h2><font face=verdana size=2>
<p><font face=verdana color=#666666 size=1><text id=txt_posted>posted:</text> 4:10 pm edt june 15, 2004<br></font></p><b>atlanta -- </b>some travelers passing through atlanta's sprawling airport soon will have some famous duds to gaze at on their way to the gates.
<p></p>cowboy boots worn by alan jackson, a leather jacket signed by the two members of outkast, even a silk jacket worn by the late ray charles are going on display at hartsfield-jackson atlanta international airport.
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<p></p>included in the exhibit are jackson's boots, the outkast jacket and a vest worn by jerry reed in the movie "smokey and the bandit." a guitar from the folk-rock duo indigo girls will be there, as will items belonging to otis redding, lena horne, the allman brothers band, james brown and little richard.
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date:         wed, 16 jun 2004 10:08:33 -0400
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i managed to tape both recent ig spots. they sang "fill it up again" on both shows.

emily really looked sweet on conan o'brien and they both performed well as usual. also, as usual, they were on at the very end of the show and they were not interviewed on camera. it always annoys me when talk shows treat the musical guests like that...

if you want both appeareances, email me privately, let's work something out!

-scott

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date:         wed, 16 jun 2004 10:13:15 -0400
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at carson daly, they weren't interviewed off camera, either. but carson
daly did know all the words to "closer to fine." before you guffaw,
remember that opening act kim richey managed to flub her part well into
the tour last summer.

victoria=20

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i managed to tape both recent ig spots. they sang "fill it up again" on
both shows.

emily really looked sweet on conan o'brien and they both performed well
as usual. also, as usual, they were on at the very end of the show and
they were not interviewed on camera. it always annoys me when talk shows
treat the musical guests like that...

if you want both appeareances, email me privately, let's work something
out!

-scott

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date:         wed, 16 jun 2004 09:27:15 -0500
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yeah, it's great that the girls make it on tv period.....but there are a
few that have given them their due: ellen, rosie (in 1997), but the best
by far was charlie rose.

late night tv shows suck when it comes to how they treat their music
guests as only an after thought....as in "oh well their just
entertaining.
stick'em on the end."

barb

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date:         wed, 16 jun 2004 10:37:12 -0400
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well, when you produce a late night variety type show, the point is to
attract as many viewers as possible and to keep them interested enough
to watch. so, it is necessary to have a line up of varied types of
guests to try to reach out to as many different demographics of viewers
as possible. for example, bin diesel was originally slated to appear on
carson daly, along with blair underwood and indigo girls -- then the
producers realized that they'd get relatively few male viewers and
swapped vin for brooke.

lots of folks will tune into a show they don't normally watch just to
catch their favorite musical act, so it is a wise decision to not put
the musical act on first, otherwise folks will tune in and promptly tune
out after.

i think it was pretty interesting that ig even appeared on carson daly
... his show generally tries to appeal to "hip, young" viewers (they
instruct the audience to dress as if they are going to a club) and,
well, it isn't as if the same crowd of folks who are going to appreciate
ig are the ones who tune into carson after a long night of clubbing.
think about it, the show doesn't air until the wee hours of the morning
... carson even joked about it himself when plugging the children's
program blair underwood is in -- he commented that it isn't as if his
show, that airs at 2 am-ish, is going to reach out to the children's
market.=20

victoria

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yeah, it's great that the girls make it on tv period.....but there are a
few that have given them their due: ellen, rosie (in 1997), but the best
by far was charlie rose.

late night tv shows suck when it comes to how they treat their music
guests as only an after thought....as in "oh well their just
entertaining. stick'em on the end."

barb

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date:         wed, 16 jun 2004 08:40:54 -0700
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funny, because both of my sons (20yo, 18yo) would have tuned in to see vin before any of the others!
toye

"heckler, victoria" <victoria.heckler@ppfa.org> wrote:
...try to reach out to as many different demographics of viewers
as possible. for example, bin diesel was originally slated to appear on
carson daly, along with blair underwood and indigo girls -- then the
producers realized that they'd get relatively few male viewers and
swapped vin for brooke.

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<p>for those of you who might be coming through town (or the airport) this summer...cheers, jen</p>
<h1 class=headline>state music hall of fame moving to new digs</h1>
<h2 class=subhead><i>organizers hope to boost attendance</i></h2>
<p>
<div class=posted><text id=txt_posted>posted:</text> 4:10 pm edt june 15, 2004</div>
<p></p>
<div class=storybody><b class=dateline>atlanta -- </b>some travelers passing through atlanta's sprawling airport soon will have some famous duds to gaze at on their way to the gates.
<p></p>cowboy boots worn by alan jackson, a leather jacket signed by the two members of outkast, even a silk jacket worn by the late ray charles are going on display at hartsfield-jackson atlanta international airport.
<p></p>the georgia music hall of fame, which has struggled to attract big crowds to its macon home despite georgia's rich music heritage, is hoping a high-profile display at hartsfield will boost visits.
<table cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=right border=0>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td></td></tr></tbody></table>
<p></p>"our idea was how to get maximum exposure for the museum," said spokeswoman jessica walden-griner.
<p></p>a 300-foot-long display, which will be installed during late-night hours starting wednesday, will include highlights from the museum collection.
<p></p>included in the exhibit are jackson's boots, the outkast jacket and a vest worn by jerry reed in the movie "smokey and the bandit." a guitar from the folk-rock duo indigo girls will be there, as will items belonging to otis redding, lena horne, the allman brothers band, james brown and little richard.
<p></p>the exhibit will be finished within a week and will stay up until july 2005. 
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oh man....i just got home yesterday at 3 from the hospital.....seems they
didn't like the fact that my calfs were as large as my thighs.....(swoollen 6x
their usual size) they put me in the nice room with windows.

after they got like 4 lt. out of me and did the ultrasounds and mri's...they
finally let me come home.

no answer...perhaps a reaction to a cream placed on my cheeks and nose for
the masking from the fms...i ask..how does that make the kidneys shut down...

anayway..needless to say i have not seen tv for a while...i would love to
trade with someone for the shows....i have some older boots and ofcourse custom
stained glass if you would like....

thanks all.....
sparkie.....

good morning friends, a brief report from last night's show in portland maine. quite an excellent show, and a nice way to top off the three shows i saw this week (boston, noho and last night). lots of predictable stuff, and some nice suprises: wood song again, cordova in the encore (with emily on piano! i got all excited when she walked up there, thinking she was going to bust out leeds or winthrop-- as if!!), requests honored for go and ghost. they must have said ten times how much they loooove portland, loved having a day off in portland, and how much they love portland fans and their enthusiasm. merilll auditorium is truly an excellent venue, although i ntoiced last night that much of the upper balcony was empty (lack of promotion, perhaps?).

a fabulous night, all in all, and hope you folks in jersey enjoy tonight!

xxo
sus

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date:         thu, 17 jun 2004 08:03:16 -0700
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hi y'all!

this morning at work, listening to an online radio station with my headphones on, i heard the first few bars of a song i recognized. it turned out to be an artist i never heard of before named grada performing the girl with the weight of the world in her hands. i looked grada up on amazon.com, and the album the song is on is called the landing step, and she just calls the song weight of the world. i thought it was a very good rendition of the song, very smooth and melancholy.

incidentally, the station i heard the song on was radioio (the acoustic tab), and it has been great for hearing many awesome folk artists. they play some of my favorites who are more well-known (ig, catie, dar, ferrick, larkin, nields), and many other artists that are lesser known (at least by me) but who definitely deserve a listen (like grada today). so, if you are looking for an online station, try radioio - acoustic.

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i enjoyed both of the recent ig performances, although i don't think that the acoustic duo version of the song really lends itself well to the quick, get-on-and-get-off pace of the late night talk show. the band would have helped a lot here.

i thought the performance was better on conan, but the audience was better on carson. they were really enthusiastic, even though i also thought having them on was a little "fish out of water."

amy is completely swallowing the word "sky" in her little "hole in my sky, my sky, my sky" part. i don't like it. :(

very happy to see them on tv, as always!

and i don't think carson is a tool, except for dating tara reid. otherwise, i think he actually digs lots of different music. i imagine it would be hard to host trl and not come off as a tool, as you have to be enthusiastic about everything.

jason

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at 12:41 pm 6/17/04 +0000, susan marine wrote:
>good morning friends, a brief report from last night's show in portland
>maine. quite an excellent show,

agreed

> and a nice way to top off the three shows i saw this week (boston, noho
> and last night).

only saw 2 myself - great seats (best i've had for a real show there) i had
a photo pass and - none of my photos came out - i think i had my apeture
settings too high or something...uggh. and i consider my skills actually
exceptional...and i didn't shoot digital.

quick observations - they opened with tether - ozillene was incredible - as
was well everything last night - all that we let in was amazing...

and yeah merrill does blow my mind - the high seats are actually wonderful
too (i thought that was where i'd end up - no complaints here...

my friend who drove me asked - "how many people do you know here???" folks
- it was scary

a boot does exist (minus moment of forgiveness - wierd that you can openly
tape @ ig now...)

mike r.

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hey everyone,

well, tuesday night jodie and i got to talk with her surgeon together. he showed up right as visiting hours were about to end, but, fortunately, noone tried to shoo me out. jodie actually did most of the talking. i just listened mostly. basically, she was asking her surgeon that since she knows it's going to be another 2 to 3 weeks until her pancreatitis will have settled down enough for them to take her gall bladder out, if she can spend the rest of those weeks waiting at home, and not in icu.

she said that her family life is completely out of whack (duh?!), meaning for her, she can hardly have any semblance of a normal family life, or life at all really. granted she has been very sick, but she has plataued and has reached a point of horrendously bored and depressed, spending every waking moment in the same position and place for hours, days, and weeks on end. also, it's straining to her family, being me and eli, and also her parents, who worry non-stop about her. your only daughter, not even thirty, is in the icu for three weeks, and will be for another three weeks. not too comforting.

also, she mentioned how we are both teachers and that we don't work in the summer, but she was going to teach summer school, and now that's messed up. she worries sooooooo much, every day i go in to see her she has a new 'crisis situation' that she has thought up and believes to be true. normally, she makes up worse-case-scenario situations in her head, and now with noone there to tell her it's not true, she just keeps telling everyone about them (doctors and nurses). then i show up and she asks me what's going on with this or that. and i let her know what's really going on.

she's also worried about not being able to do anything, i.e. not working, or being able to contribute anything. i keep telling her not to worry and that she doesn't have to do or contribute anything. but, i guess with hours and hours of nothing to do but think, it's hard to get these ideas out of your head without sharing them with me a time or two.

the surgeon said that in the past he has allowed patients with pancreatitis to go home after two or three weeks in the hospital. so, she meets that criteria. jodie asked how those patients have done, and he said just fine. the doctor said she will need to be fever-free and be able to tolerate full liquids. to that, jodie said, i'll do that today! she still has her fever, though. around 102. she has been taking some liquids, but is nowhere near 'full liquids.' so, it still may be another week or so, but she is hoping to get out of the icu as soon as possible, rather than just waiting around endlessly for her pancreas to heal slooooooowly.

most of the time she doesn't know if it's am or pm when i visit her. well, usually she thinks it's the opposite of what it is and sometimes even though i tell her it's not morning, later she'll make a comment, still thinking it's morning. so, i remind her again. the past few days she's also had a really condescending nurse who she can't stand. yesterday, when i was there, the lady said, "i see you have a tattoo, so i know you believe in god..." i was like, what?! since when was a tattoo a sign of christianity, or believing in "god." i've heard of the mark of the beast, but tattoo=belief in god?!?! okay, from now on, i'll try that yardstick and see how it fits. hmmmm. i just don't think the logic is there. whatever.

okay, well, let's hope her fever goes down and stays down, and she tolerates liquids well. being at home will be a much better environment for jodie, given that she doesn't 'need' the support of the icu. thank you all for reading and caring.

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dear ig listees,
i'm driving east to boston for a summer program in massachusetts. i'll be
leaving cleveland this saturday, 6/19, and need somewhere to stay (ideally
halfway, but 1/4 or 3/4 of the way is okay too) for the night.

if you know of anyone who might be able to help me out, please let me know.
ideally, i'd like to stay with someone i've met at a show and can vouch for
(this is me being paranoid). more ideally, they would live anywhere along
either 90 or 76, or even up to an hour out of those ways.

this is completely last-minute notice, but if someone could help me out, i
would be so appreciative. not to mention i wouldn't veer off the road due to
sleep deprivation and all those endless miles of highway..

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in a message dated 6/17/2004 8:41:52 am eastern daylight time, susmarine@comcast.net writes:

<< good morning friends, a brief report from last night's show in portland maine. quite an excellent show, and a nice way to top off the three shows i saw this week (boston, noho and last night). lots of predictable stuff, and some nice suprises: wood song again, cordova in the encore (with emily on piano! i got all excited when she walked up there, thinking she was going to bust out leeds or winthrop-- as if!!), >>

i know -- i was totally psyched that she might play one of those, but amy doing cordova was beautiful, too. i am a sucker for the old stuff like lwcty and po2, but the electric stuff like tether and go really rocked. i'm a pretty old fan at 44 and i thought the crowd was too sedate but that's how it was last time they played at merrill ... i think the cushy surroundings kind of put people on "theatre" behavior. oh well, last year i stood and got crushed at the hampton beach show for 2 hours so i shouldn't complain.

my big question is why do they have to have the sound up so far that it gets totally distorted and ugly? even the songs with just a&e on their guitars were overly amped. are the sound board people's ears so far shot that they can't tell it sounds like crap? merrill is a small enough venue that the girls could have played practically unmiked and we would have heard them. there was very little talking around us and you could hear a pin drop during songs like all that we let in and cordova. i guess i must be getting old if i'm harping on the music being too loud!

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hi y'all,

just a few questions for folks who've been to
the merriweather pavilion or the chastain amphitheatre:

1. their policy on bringing cameras?
2. their policy on bringing in bottled water?
3. is parking available?
4. can i easily get to the chastain amphitheatre
from midtown atlanta with mass transit?

thanks,
sandy :)

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chastain

1. their policy on bringing cameras?
depends on the artist if you can use it...bringing it is easy

2. their policy on bringing in bottled water?
water, wine, beer, dinner...it's all okay at chastain

3. is parking available?
yes...it's about $15 or a free with a long walk

4. can i easily get to the chastain amphitheatre
from midtown atlanta with mass transit
there is no easy way to chastain

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hey folks,

i'm just reporting on the starland ballroom show last night. it was awesome.
i've seen 11 ig shows and i'd put this one in the top half. very good. the
crowd was pretty good, some chatter during songs but not too bad. and there
weren't the rabid screams for "galileo" that have detracted from many of the
other shows i've been to. one of my best friends went with me and she had
never seen ig before. on the way home, she kept saying, "i'd see them again
in a heartbeat." yes! i've converted another one!

there was one really weird thing the girls did. in the middle of the show,
they brought out a band called girlyman to play a song. the girls left and
this trio did a song. it wasn't bad, but i'd rather have heard another ig
song. at least it was just one song.

and finally, after 10 years, i got to see "land of canaan" live again.
"shame on you" seemed much more mellow than usual. it was good, but it
wasn't the kick-ass, bring-the-house-down moment it usually is. amy played
with "romeo," mixing up the words a bit. it looked like the girls were
having a great time the whole night. "all that we let in' was beautiful and
moving.

here is the set list. i wrote it down during the show, so it's 100%
accurate.

tether
fill it up again
yield
power of two
shame on you
trouble
become you
deconstruction
heartache for everyone
rise up
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hey rose by girlyman
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romeo & juliet
all that we let in
moment of forgiveness
get out the map
land of canaan
closer to fine
dairy queen
collecting you
american tune
go
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encores:
perfect world
galileo

i hope all the rest of you going to shows have as good of a time as i did
last night.

cheers,
tom

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i haven't seen one setlist from this tour include the song rise up.
has anyone heard this live?  is there a reason it's being omitted?  did
i miss the discussion on this?  i only ask because it's one of the
better songs on the new cd imo.  it's peppy and i thought would be a
great singalong/dancealong in a live forum.  i always thought that
every song on a new cd would get some airtime on a tour for that new
cd.  clues?  have a great weekend--greg

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they did rise up in portland - it was super. they were totally fabulous
that night, in great voice, in great form, seemed to really enjoy
themselves. =20
one of the best ig concerts i've been to.
have a great weekend
kerry

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i haven't seen one setlist from this tour include the song rise up. has
anyone heard this live?  is there a reason it's being omitted?  did i =
miss
the discussion on this?  i only ask because it's one of the better songs =
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the new cd imo.  it's peppy and i thought would be a great
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i had a friend cancel at the last minute so i have one ticket up for grabs for a lawn seat to the merriweather post pavilion show tomorrow, saturday june 19th. $25 or best offer to anyone out there who would like to go. please email me directly.
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they played "rise up" last night in nj.

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i haven't seen one setlist from this tour include the song rise up. has
anyone heard this live?  is there a reason it's being omitted?  did i
miss the discussion on this?  i only ask because it's one of the better
songs on the new cd imo.  it's peppy and i thought would be a great
singalong/dancealong in a live forum.  i always thought that every song
on a new cd would get some airtime on a tour for that new cd.  clues?
have a great weekend--greg

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hey all,

i'm looking for a good and comprehensive site that has ani difranco set
lists. i haven't had much luck looking on google and such. i was hoping
someone on this list knew of something.

thanks.
tom m.

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there is http://www.ani-setlists.com/, but it looks like it only goes
up through 2002. if anyone knows of a more up-to-date site i'd be
interested as well.

(by the way, righteous babe records just sent out an email announcing
that they're going to be selling selected live shows on cd -- the "ani
difranco bootleg series". i'll probably buy a couple of these, but if
ig did something similar, i'd probably buy 'em all... so i hope this
is a trend they pick up on!)

-anne in indiana

on fri, 18 jun 2004 15:05:58 +0000, tom xxxxx <getula@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> i'm looking for a good and comprehensive site that has ani difranco set
> lists. i haven't had much luck looking on google and such. i was hoping
> someone on this list knew of something.

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greg said:
"... it's peppy and i thought would be a great singalong/dancealong =
in a live forum."

that's exactly what i thought!!  i even went so far as to visualize it =
as a new standard in concert, along with galileo and ctf.  i hadn't seen =
it on setlists either until today (kerry in portland).  i hope they do =
it in berkeley, the only show i will get to see this tour.
i have a question for you all - now that we have had a chance to digest =
atwli, where does it fit in on your fav ig cd list?  last time we had =
the " fav ranking" thread it was new, so what does every one think now?  =
personally i love it! =20
take care!  shelli

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for those of you who are unfamiliar with it, www.lifeblood.net is a
great resource for all things indigo. you can search all appearances to
determine what songs where played when. according to lifeblood, "rise
up" has also been played at these shows:

2004-03-04: knoxville civic auditorium - knoxville, tennessee=20
2004-03-05: thomas wolfe auditorium - asheville, north carolina=20
2004-03-09: palace theatre - albany, new york=20
2004-03-12: radio city music hall - new york, new york=20
2004-03-15: benedum center - pittsburgh, pennsylvania=20
2004-03-16: massey hall - toronto, canada=20
2004-03-20: the pageant - st. louis, missouri=20
2004-06-16: merrill auditorium - portland, maine=20

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greg said:
"... it's peppy and i thought would be a great singalong/dancealong
in a live forum."

that's exactly what i thought!!  i even went so far as to visualize it
as a new standard in concert, along with galileo and ctf.  i hadn't seen
it on setlists either until today (kerry in portland).  i hope they do
it in berkeley, the only show i will get to see this tour. i have a
question for you all - now that we have had a chance to digest atwli,
where does it fit in on your fav ig cd list?  last time we had the " fav
ranking" thread it was new, so what does every one think now?
personally i love it! =20
take care!  shelli

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cause it sucks?

(please don't shoot!!! and yes i love emily and yes she's a great person and song writer blah blah blah but...)

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dude, its so much better than 'something real' - the
lyrics are way more normal, and it a fun, bouncy
little song.

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in a message dated 6/18/2004 2:35:36 pm eastern daylight time, icyspook@yahoo.com writes:

> dude, its so much better than 'something real' - the
> lyrics are way more normal, and it a fun, bouncy
> little song.

i agree -- i don't love it lyrically but it's a feel-good song. they did a great version of rise up in portland the night before last, but most of the crowd stayed seated. i felt kinda guilty sitting down as emily belted out "rise up" to us over and over, but nobody around us was standing. i'm sure if we'd been in a general admission venue, everybody would have been on their feet and bopping along with it. something real doesn't do much for me except that i like amy's harmonies.

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<<cause it sucks?>>

i agree. i love her slower, more thoughtful songs better.

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greg,

>>it's peppy and i thought would be a great
singalong/dancealong in a live forum.>>

i heard rise up with the band at radio city and i thought it kinda tanked. i like the song, but it works (for me) better as a studio number than a live number. live, it's missing the hand claps and joan osborne. (i can't remember who sings it live - claire or carol - but it ain't workin'.)

>>i always thought that every song
on a new cd would get some airtime on a tour for that new cd. clues?>>

i don't think they've always done every song on a new cd. as far as i can tell, "we are together" from cons has never been played live - and with good reason. something about a dog catching up with a rabbit and laughing - which one is laughing? the dog or the rabbit? what does it sound like when a dog or a rabbit laughs? and how did emily hear it? was she smoking crack at the time? all these questions are unanswered, and that's why i think they don't play it live. she's scared we're going to ask these tough questions that she's not prepared to answer. it's okay, emily, your crack habit is safe with us. i'm just waiting for a lyric about a giraffe or a duck-billed platypus. then perhaps it's time to stage an intervention.

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at 08:18 am 06/18/2004, anne haines wrote:
>there is http://www.ani-setlists.com/, but it looks like
>it only goes up through 2002.

it's very comprehensive, but there are a few shows left out,
for instance it doesn't have 04 nov 2002 in paradise ca,
which i attended (and recorded), and there are a few other
out-of-the-way venues it doesn't have, but it has more than
any other site i've seen... until after 2002.

johnny raven

i agree that rise up is a fun song, but i also think 'something real' has it's merits...it's very poetic, with lots of interesting symbols/images, and the whole 'reconnecting with a friend (lover?) after 20 years" idea is interesting to me....the song i most dislike on the new record-- don't hate me for this-- is 'free in you'. it seriously chafes me in a huge way. those lines about how emily's partner accepts the 'ugly in her'-- sheesh. when people i otherwise like make fun of the indigo girls, it's because of songs like this....maudlin, six layers of cheese love dirges, a la "hey jesus", "girl with the weight...", etc. (sounds like i am being overly hard on emily-- i think i'd put 'don't give that girl a gun' in that category too).

seems like i'm being really harsh-- friends, it's just my opinion (in other words, please don't try to talk me out of it, but feel free to disagree)....

overall tho, atwli has moved up to second place in my 'all time favorite indigo girls album list, right after swamp. i am soooo happy that it made me jump and jive again, after the way too mellow become you.

k, bye!!

susie shit-disturber

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no offense to the younger fans but i think songs like "something real" mean a
little more to us older fans that have been through it all in life and can
totally identify with it more. i don't speak for everyone it just seems that
way....that (something real)was one of the first songs i fell in love with on the
album it's like emily wrote it about me and my ex! and "free in you" felt the
same way about another realtionship and i think it just takes that life
experience to really see how much a song like that can mean. just my opinion :)
take care y'all!

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they played it tonight in philly. i got a concert call. :)

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hey dave,

no, the show wasn't acoustic; they had the band with them. "trouble" and
"tether" would be awesome to hear acoustic. i heard "go" acoustic at the
2000 albany show. it was very cool and still just about as intense as the
electric.

cheers,
tom

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>from: "david murray" <rush2dog@hotmail.com>
>to: getula@hotmail.com
>subject: re: last night in nj
>date: fri, 18 jun 2004 15:29:56 -0400
>
>tom-
>
>thanks for the review.. was this an acoustic show? i can't believe they did
>tether, trouble and go acoustic in one show? what did they sound like....?
>
>thanks.
>
>dave.
>
>
>
>>from: tom xxxxx <getula@hotmail.com>
>>reply-to: tom xxxxx <getula@hotmail.com>
>>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
>>subject: last night in nj
>>date: fri, 18 jun 2004 14:02:17 +0000
>>
>>hey folks,
>>
>>i'm just reporting on the starland ballroom show last night. it was
>>awesome.
>>i've seen 11 ig shows and i'd put this one in the top half. very good. the
>>crowd was pretty good, some chatter during songs but not too bad. and
>>there
>>weren't the rabid screams for "galileo" that have detracted from many of
>>the
>>other shows i've been to. one of my best friends went with me and she had
>>never seen ig before. on the way home, she kept saying, "i'd see them
>>again
>>in a heartbeat." yes! i've converted another one!
>>
>>there was one really weird thing the girls did. in the middle of the show,
>>they brought out a band called girlyman to play a song. the girls left and
>>this trio did a song. it wasn't bad, but i'd rather have heard another ig
>>song. at least it was just one song.
>>
>>and finally, after 10 years, i got to see "land of canaan" live again.
>>"shame on you" seemed much more mellow than usual. it was good, but it
>>wasn't the kick-ass, bring-the-house-down moment it usually is. amy played
>>with "romeo," mixing up the words a bit. it looked like the girls were
>>having a great time the whole night. "all that we let in' was beautiful
>>and
>>moving.
>>
>>here is the set list. i wrote it down during the show, so it's 100%
>>accurate.
>>
>>tether
>>fill it up again
>>yield
>>power of two
>>shame on you
>>trouble
>>become you
>>deconstruction
>>heartache for everyone
>>rise up
>>----------
>>hey rose by girlyman
>>----------
>>romeo & juliet
>>all that we let in
>>moment of forgiveness
>>get out the map
>>land of canaan
>>closer to fine
>>dairy queen
>>collecting you
>>american tune
>>go
>>-------
>>encores:
>>perfect world
>>galileo
>>
>>i hope all the rest of you going to shows have as good of a time as i did
>>last night.
>>
>>cheers,
>>tom
>>
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>>don't want to offend
>>so don't call me faggot
>>not unless you are a friend."
>>--- joe jackson, "real men"
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> i even went so far as to visualize it as a new standard in concert,
> along with galileo and ctf. i hadn't seen it on setlists either until
> today (kerry in portland).

wow--glad to see the song is being played live although many of the
posts i got indicated a mixed response to the live performance of this
song.  i thought it would have been perfect for live shows and would
have become a staple.  i mean asking the audience to rise up--what a
perfect way to get the crowd into it.  shows you what i know about
setlists.

> i have a question for you all - now that we have had a chance to
> digest atwli, where does it fit in on your fav ig cd list? last time
> we had the " fav ranking" thread it was new, so what does every one
> think now?

atwli is definitely one of my favorite cd's by ig in a while. it's
running third right now behind rop and swamp.

i also find it amazing that a song that can be so meaningful to one fan
is hated by another.  something real still does nothing for me and i'm
not young!  i've always hated many of emily's sappy slow songs--history
of us, fare thee well, tgwtwotwihh (also dislike a's cordova).  but i
know others live for these.  then to hear that people think rise up
sucks.  makes me wonder whether anyone out there has always hated
closer to fine--i'm talkin from the getgo-not after hearing it a
million times?  or galileo?  any long time haters?  just curious about
what songs, if any, are universally liked and why.  there...discuss....

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i love being at a show and hearing rise up live. the whole audience rises up. so much fun.

i'm a much bigger fan of amy's work, but rise up is one of my favorite emily songs... it's just so... happy! :)

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just wondered if any one is going to the 7/0 show in tucson??

ticketbmasgarfs anyone going frmphx/glenfale are (63rd ave and becker)

thought i would ask. even our daughter, mariah notw 10,,,wanio

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well i don't like it because i don't like the arrangement and having the
band in there....
it's just not my cup of tea on this song.

many of emily's songs on this album are ruined by the drums.

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> i also find it amazing that a song that can be so meaningful to one fan
> is hated by another.  something real still does nothing for me and i'm
> not young!  i've always hated many of emily's sappy slow songs--history
> of us, fare thee well, tgwtwotwihh (also dislike a's cordova).  but i
> know others live for these.  then to hear that people think rise up
> sucks.

i've come around to both rise up and something real since my first few listens
(in the beginning i didn't care for a single emily song after fiua.) haven't
seen ru live (although i can believe it often falls flat live) but sr really
blew me away when they played it in chicago - i think the strngeness somebody
alluded to a few posts back is part of what made it so compelling. i would even
call it the highlight of friday's show for me, although part of that may have
been how much is surpassed expectation.

no, for me, atwli's enduring contribution to the clonker category is come on
home, and jeezopete is it one for the ages. i don't know if 25 makes me a young
fan or not anymore, but i seriously doubt i'm growing into this one; my problem
isn't the subject, it's the smothering overlay of mediocre metaphor. no matter
how hard i try to like it, by the end of the first chorus i feel like i'm
drowning in a sticky puddle of very sweet cheese. but just so am i open to
persuasion on the ground of literary merit, if anybody wants to take the challenge.

back to greg's question.... i don't think i have any long-term dislikes on the
scale of ctf, although i've always thought r&j to be vastly overrated (yes, i've
seen it live.) also, hammer and a nail has always seemed really flat to me when
i've seen it live, which is sad because i really love the album cut.

mandy

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hey all,
this is a really interesting thread ... fun reading!
atwli is among my fave ig albums right now, up there with swamp and rop. i always tend to leave cons off my tops list, but i forget how much i love that album until i listen to it from beginning to end, which i admit i don't do often enough.

i did not care for something real the first few times i heard it and it still doesn't really do it for me. now, come on home is a completely different matter ... loved it from the first time i heard it and it just resonates more with each listen. same thing with deconstruction and our deliverance on by ... maybe a bit sleepy, but beautifully constructed and lyrically gorgeous songs, imho. at the ripe old age of 34, i still adore the "edgier" songs like dairy queen and yield, so i like to think i appreciate the wide scope of what ig offers. in fact, i think that's one of the main reasons why i adore them so. they always tend to be categorizes as "the folkies" by the mainstream, but if you look at their songs over the years, while there are certainly some common threads, they have also mixed it up quite a bit and surprised us (sometimes to our chagrin, but you can't fault them for branching out).

one last thing ... i liked the studio version of rise up and got to hear it live back in march with the band and i thought it was wonderful!

enjoy the rest of the weekend!
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i've attended 17 concerts now (since 1992) and during many of them (not all, mind you) i have stated that it can't get any better! but tonight, i stated that once again! what a set! starting off with "tether" really is ingenious - it is fast enough to have/show energy, but slow enough to get you in the mood. no "american tune" tonight (which i wouldn't have been looking forward to had i not seen that they had been playing it recently!), but it was just fine. perfect weather, perfect music, ahhhhh... just like every concert should be. i'm sure some fine soul will post a set list. no american tune, but, yes "rise up" was in there - and yes - it is a great song to include live. oh when oh when will i get to see them again!? they're downright addictive.... :)

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in a message dated 6/20/2004 1:42:52 am eastern standard time,
grebebird@yahoo.com writes:
no "american tune" tonight (which i wouldn't have been looking forward to had
i not seen that they had been playing it recently!), but it was just fine.
perfect weather, perfect music, ahhhhh... just like every concert should be.
i'm sure some fine soul will post a set list. no american tune, but, yes "rise
up" was in there - and yes - it is a great song to include live

and we were treated to tangled up in blue.........ahhhhhhh

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in a message dated 6/18/2004 2:55:21 pm eastern standard time,
ritesofpassage9@webtv.net writes:
<<cause it sucks?>>

i agree. i love her slower, more thoughtful songs better.

i don't think the song itself is horrible, (though it's not emily's best
material), but something about the production of it on atwli has bothered me
from day one, and a couple weeks ago, my partner hit the nail right on the
head. we were listening to it in the car, and she said, "i really don't like this
song. you know what it sounds like? it sounds like a theme song from one of
those cheesey seventies sitcoms, like three's company or something." and ever
since she said that, i can't even listen to the cd version anymore. i'd like to
hear a version of it where it's just them playing, though... i think i might
like it alot better without all the production. sometimes production ruins
their music.

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in a message dated 6/18/2004 4:34:23 pm eastern daylight time, hare@optonline.net writes:

what does it sound like when a dog or a rabbit laughs?

how very zen of you to ask.i believe it is much like the sound of one hand clapping...

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they did the same thing with vonda shephard in 1997.

lauren

tom wrote:
there was one really weird thing the girls did. in the middle of the show,
they brought out a band called girlyman to play a song. the girls left and
this trio did a song. it wasn't bad, but i'd rather have heard another ig
song. at least it was just one song.

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come on the song says the song actually says
"rise up your dead," i ask "what does she mean? 'rise up your dead,"
rise up your dead
what?" is it "your" as in "your own," or as in "you
are?'""

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>from: "greg flamer" <gflame@1000wadams.net>
>
gf>makes me wonder whether anyone out there has always hated
gf> closer to fine--i'm talkin from the getgo-not after hearing it a
gf> million times?

  well, i've certainly always hated the _lyric_ to "closer to fine" from the
beginning.
  i'm always irritated by the "light /white = good ; dark / black = evil"
metaphor wherever it appears -- it's the one thing i dislike intensely about
lord of the rings (the book even moreso than the movies), which is otherwise a
masterpiece.  on a fundamental level, it comes from a "natural" fear of the dark
that is ultimately at the root of racism itself, so i'm always annoyed when it
pops up and passes as a given truism.
  having parents who are college professors (like emily herself), i'm offended
by the sophomoric attitude expressed by  "prostrate to the higher mind" and "got
my paper and i was free" which is so derisive of the collegiate experience.  she
should know better.
  the "we stand up for the lookout" bit bugs me just on general principles.
  most of all, the fundamental message of "don't worry, be happy" and "there's
no one right answer to anything" is completely opposite to what i espouse:  if
what you believe doesn't apply to all cases, then your truth isn't the ultimate
truth.

  when i first saw the video for ctf on mtv, i liked the sound of it for sure,
but i was more intrigued that someone from atlanta was "good enough" to make
mtv.  (this was before the city won the bid to host the olympics, before the
braves started winning, before laface records put atlanta on the map as a
hip-hop mecca, back when the overriding mentality of the city was still defined
by a sports illustrated article that declared it "loserville, usa".)  even so,
it wasn't until i heard "kid fears" on 96 rock that i went out to buy the indigo
girls album.  i can still remember the dj saying after he played that song,
"doesn't it make you proud that someone from atlanta made a track this good."  i
can't overestimate what a psychological breakthrough that was.  a lot of those
other things happened soon after to change the way the city felt about itself,
but ig's breakthrough was the first one.

but i never could stand the lyric to ctf much at all. still can't, really.

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hey fellow listees ~

the beloved indigo girls are performing in conservative west michigan tonight at meijer gardens ~ to a sold out show! it's been sold out for weeks...i know better than just about anyone, because i've been trying to get tickets on a daily basis, to no avail! (you never know when the venue or the performer may release a few extras, so i figured it couldn't hurt to try.)

however, serendipity strikes! i was at my best friend's son's graduation party on saturday, and her sister, who is also a friend of mine, appeared out of nowhere at around 8:30 pm and asked me what i was doing monday night. my radar was way tuned into what was happening in this sleepy town on monday night ~ indigo girls! as it turns out, patty was at a run jane run charity event and won the tickets in an auction! even in bland rapids, a pair of tickets went for $ 125! being the indigo geek that i am, i was the first person she thought of asking, so guess what?!!! i'm going! i can't wait! i owe my friend big time!

vicki

they did the same thing with rose polenzani (sp?) at the meadow brook show in gilford, nh. she did a cute song, something about "only being with someone cause your drunk" i agree i would have much rather have heard another ig song. i was wondering if anyone else has felt that the following has been true of any of the shows you have seen, we kinda thought that of the 5 shows we saw last week all of them started late, seemed much shorter than usual, had a lot more technical problems ( but i assume it was because of all the "electric stuff"), and that for the first 5 times since i have seen ig ( and i'm in the 40's now) this is the first time that the openers didn't come out and sing "closer to fine", even thou the girls came out and sang with them. i thought much of this was unusual, but i must say i had a great time at the shows, and i think the girls are as awesome as ever, but i think the crowds have started to suck
(not anyone on this list of course....lol) i was yelled at by an old man in portland for dancing during "fill it up again" it was not wild "interpretive dance, i mean i was kind enough to leave my smog machine, and back up dancers at home, just happy bobbing and singing along to the music, if i wasn't certain it would have been a one way ticket to the firey pits of hell, i would have told him to f off, but i kindly sat down, and tried not to have my last ig show ruined by a crowd who sat on their asses for a good portion of a totally rockin show! perhaps if you know you are a "squatter" than you could request seats in the balcony, so then the people who want to stand up and dance, request songs, and banter with the girls and generally have fun can do it without bothering the people who either, want to watch these shows like it is theater, or who are too cool to sing and dance. for the record the girls love the crowds that stand up and sing and dance, and yes i have asked the
m which they prefer ( as a former lead singer of band it is a "no brainer" which is preferred, but as the "smart asses of the world like to say "well did you ask them yourself"? the answer is yes! i kinda wish the girls would go back to playing college shows, i think it would be great for them to reintroduce themselves to the age group who embraced them in the first place, that way they could expand their fan base, again, and bring in some young folks to shake up the geezers we ( well not me) are becoming. and yes i will be 34 on friday, so not exactly old, but certainly not as young as i used to be! for the love of pete, i just wanna dance, i feel like kevin bacon in footloose.......that's why i gotta, gotta cut loose!!

take care,

janet "happy feet" barsorian

> they did the same thing with vonda shephard in 1997.
>
> lauren
>
>
> tom wrote:
> there was one really weird thing the girls did. in the middle of the show,
> they brought out a band called girlyman to play a song. the girls left and
> this trio did a song. it wasn't bad, but i'd rather have heard another ig
> song. at least it was just one song.
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this is an age-old argument. i say, if you are one who enjoys dancing,
wouldn't it be more polite for you to purchase seats in the back of the
venue so the rest of us could watch in peace without having to crane our
necks around your flailing appendages?

victoria

interesting post, ron.  whether you like the song or not, your comments ring
true to a great extent, especially knowing emily.  what your thoughts
ultimately did for me was take ctf out of the category of "classic" and
placed it among her other songs (amy's too) that were written in a different
time for different reasons than she might write that song today.  both amy
and emily have said time and again that they just want to be better
songwriters.  they change, and so do their songs.  they sing songs today
that were inspired by events that they are long past emotionally and
otherwise, but they have to play them for us, because we are not "past" them
for our own reasons, as interpreters of their art.  makes you wonder what it
must be like to be them...to have to keep playing things that meant
something to you in one way, but are something entirely else each time you
take another step into the future.

vicki

>girls album.  i can still remember the dj saying after he played that song,
>"doesn't it make you proud that someone from atlanta made a track this
>good."  i
>can't overestimate what a psychological breakthrough that was.  a lot of
>those
>other things happened soon after to change the way the city felt about
>itself,
>but ig's breakthrough was the first one.
>
>   but i never could stand the lyric to ctf much at all.  still can't,
>really.
>

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well, as response to your point in this "age old argument" i would have to say that samanticly, it would make more sense for the sitters to be sitting up high, so as that nothing could impair your vision, you could sit stadium style, with nothing in your view point. we have had people ask my gf to scrunch down in her seat because she is "too tall" so if you are sitting down close in a seating plan where all the seats are level, someone who is tall, or has a big head or big hair, or who fidgets or smooches the person they are with and so , and so on anything could also impair your view, not just "flailing appendages". and no offense, but when you are preforming, and most especially when you are performing rock & roll, it is a rare thing over heard back stage after a show when someone says" you know during that flaming guitar solo, did you see how how polite everyone was?" that was great, all the sitting and not dancing during our happy songs, man that was the best" i am not tr
ying to start up a winless pissing contest over the sitting vs. standing rule, but if you have ever been on stage singing and trying your hardest to entertain people when they get up and dance and sing along with you it is the greatest feeling in the world, you know right in the moment that people are having a great time, and it in turn makes you have a great time. is there a need to stand during slow songs, or scream out"we love you" during lulls, i say no way, but to sing along, clap and dance imho is the most appropo thing you can do, but what ever to each his own, and i will look forward once again to the days when you sit and be quiet at the movies, and stand up dance at live concerts.

janet

> this is an age-old argument. i say, if you are one who enjoys dancing,
> wouldn't it be more polite for you to purchase seats in the back of the
> venue so the rest of us could watch in peace without having to crane our
> necks around your flailing appendages?
>
> victoria

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i will personally be annoying all the wine & cheese eating yuppies that are unfortunate enough to be behind me at chastain by dancing this weekend! woohoo!
and i love "rise up" live and all those great hand claps on the cd make me happy! :)

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--- jezzie98@comcast.net wrote:
> well, as response to your point in this "age old
> argument" i would have to say that samanticly, it
> would make more sense for the sitters to be sitting
> up high, so as that nothing could impair your
> vision, you could sit stadium style, with nothing in
> your view point.

yes, it might make more sense to sit up high to you,
(and it makes more sense to me, but i cant speak for
others - i take that route as well) but try to
convince others of this - you argue that 1. you paid
good money for your ticket, and 2. you may have
waited hours in line for a good spot so you could
enjoy the show . . . so you should be able to do the
things you want..... but .....

then doesn't this argument apply to those who want to
enjoy the show differently than the way you enjoy it?
so don't the sittters have a right to enjoy the show
without seeing flailing appendages?

or do you just discount there whole viewpoint and
opinions and stance too?

there's never gonna be a solution, but it really irks
me when somone posts something like you just posted.
please don't flame me, and * i don't know you but i
know you probably did not mean for it to sound like
this, but it comes across as *sounding* extremely
selfish - i know you didn't mean it as such, but it
sure sounds it.

it sounds like you're whole attitude is "f everyone
else. the girls say they like dancing, so i'm gonna
dance and f... everyone else.

i agree with you - dance if you want to. sing if you
want to. don't dance if you don't want to. have fun
in whatever way you want.

elaine

> > this is an age-old argument. i say, if you are
> one who enjoys dancing,
> > wouldn't it be more polite for you to purchase
> seats in the back of the
> > venue so the rest of us could watch in peace
> without having to crane our
> > necks around your flailing appendages?
> >

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"it sounds like you're whole attitude is "f everyone
else. ...i'm gonna dance and f... everyone else"

yep pretty much! :)

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as quite a few of you can attest to - i would be the happiest camper if i
were to never hear pot again at an ig concert. i can't use the excuse that
i am simply tired of hearing it live after attending 40+ ig shows over the
years, since i still love to hear ctf and can even deal with galileo and
least complicated - but power of two just irks me.

as for atwli - definitely in my top three albums, behind
nomads*indians*saints & swamp ophelia. i know there was a debate early on
about the studio-ization of many acoustic songs we heard last year when
they were touring last fall - of which i particularly enjoyed fill it up
again, heartache and tether - and still did when i heard the album with all
of the completely different rhythms, instruments and harmonies.

speaking of tether, was i the only one who immediately thought of the organ
solo at the beginning of tether was channelling the rolling stones song,
"you can't always get what you want"? i love the studio version of tether
- i think that is my favorite song on atwli.

as for something real - i love it - i am in agreement with a previous post
that the images emily conjures up are vivid - i can just see a treelined
college campus at dusk with the football team practicing while two lovers
try and hash out their problems. and no - i am still under forty (barely)
and did not go to college in such a place.... (ucsb, more like a stucco
island on the pacific coastline), but i really find it beautiful and if i
may be so gushy "paints the complete picture" for me.

happy monday all - only five more days until friday!

carrie

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sorry, victoria, i just responded to you before when i wanted to respond to
everyone. what i have noticed in the northeast venues is that amy's side is
a little more rockin', while emily's side tends to be a little more mellow -
so my sugestion would be to check the seating chart and order accordingly -
anyone else notice any patterns like that? i don't like to be confined to my
seat (except during slow songs) than i'm sure sitters don't like paying just
to watch someone's butt. however, i have been yelled at to sit down, and
have done so for others, but i have never once yelled at anyone to stand up.
so, with that being said, i think a little dancing can make the world a
nicer place! just mho.
did anyone boot the starland show? i would love to get a copy! :)

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>date: mon, 21 jun 2004 10:35:51 -0400
>
>this is an age-old argument. i say, if you are one who enjoys dancing,
>wouldn't it be more polite for you to purchase seats in the back of the
>venue so the rest of us could watch in peace without having to crane our
>necks around your flailing appendages?
>
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we were within about two minutes of getting to hear
american tune at the md show.  i was in the front row
and i held up a little sign to ask for american tune.
emily saw it, and said they'd have a team meeting,
which they did offstage just before the encore.  then,
after perfect world, em went to the side of the stage,
and amy said she was checking the curfew.  they found
out they were right up against the curfew and just
launched into galileo.. and em glanced over at me
during the intro with this 'sorry about that' look.
so unfortunately, the curfew at merriweather stopped
us from hearing american tune :(

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not only am i completely confused by your point, but i find it to be extremely hypocritical. what you are saying,and i will try to be clear is that i discount other people's feelings, and f them, i am going to dance anyway, correct? well, if you read the first post clearly you would have also read that i sat down, when asked, i did not want to sit down, but i was also not there to ruin someone else's show, so even though i paid full price for my ticket, took time off from work , and drove 4 hours round trip to enjoy myself, i watched the show the way other people wanted to watch it, as to not be rude. with that said the hypocrisy of what you say is that because i like to stand up and dance while listening to live awesome music
( i know call me crazy), that makes me selfish, but when i am forced to sit through songs that i love because other people choose to "view a show in a different way" that makes it ....what? that was the point of not wanting to start a pissing contest over this, and never anywhere did i or would i have said f you this is what the girls want so i am doing it because 1.) that is the one of the most ridicules things i have ever read and 2.) i am no where near selfish! and i would like to say lastly, that if i discounted other people's viewpoints and stances, then you wouldn't have needed to write this mostly incorrect post would you have? sorry if you feel flamed, it just really irks me when people respond to something the way that you responded.

janet

> --- jezzie98@comcast.net wrote:
> > well, as response to your point in this "age old
> > argument" i would have to say that samanticly, it
> > would make more sense for the sitters to be sitting
> > up high, so as that nothing could impair your
> > vision, you could sit stadium style, with nothing in
> > your view point.
>
> yes, it might make more sense to sit up high to you,
> (and it makes more sense to me, but i cant speak for
> others - i take that route as well) but try to
> convince others of this -  you argue that 1. you paid
> good money for your ticket, and 2.  you may have
> waited hours in line for a good spot so you could
> enjoy the show . . . so you should be able to do the
> things you want..... but .....
>
> then doesn't this argument apply to those who want to
> enjoy the show differently than the way you enjoy it?
>  so don't the sittters have a right to enjoy the show
> without seeing flailing appendages?
>
> or do you just discount there whole viewpoint and
> opinions and stance too?
>
> there's never gonna be a solution, but it really irks
> me when somone posts something like you just posted.
> please don't flame me, and * i don't know you but i
> know you probably did not mean for it to sound like
> this, but it comes across as *sounding* extremely
> selfish - i know you didn't mean it as such, but it
> sure sounds it.
>
> it sounds like you're whole attitude is "f everyone
> else.  the girls say they like dancing, so i'm gonna
> dance and f... everyone else.
>
> i agree with you - dance if you want to.  sing if you
> want to.  don't dance if you don't want to.  have fun
> in whatever way you want.
>
> elaine
>
>
> > > this is an age-old argument.  i say, if you are
> > one who enjoys dancing,
> > > wouldn't it be more polite for you to purchase
> > seats in the back of the
> > > venue so the rest of us could watch in peace
> > without having to crane our
> > > necks around your flailing appendages?
> > >
>
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you know, grow up and stop being so defensive. why
don't you read what i said. you're under the
impression that i personally attacked you.
hypoocritical? yes, name calling is really mature.
let's all resort to name calling when someone gives an
opinion that we don't agree with.

i never said you were selfish. i even went to lengths
to state that you did noot mean to sound that way and
you were not selfish. i simply said your post sounded
like it was, but i thought i explained that i knew you
didn't mean it that way.

elaine

elaine--- jezzie98@comcast.net wrote:
> not only am i completely confused by your point, but
> i find it to be extremely hypocritical. what you are
> saying,and i will try to be clear is that i discount
> other people's feelings, and f them, i am going to
> dance anyway, correct? well, if you read the first
> post clearly you would have also read that i sat
> down, when asked, i did not want to sit down, but i
> was also not there to ruin someone else's show, so
> even though i paid full price for my ticket, took
> time off from work , and drove 4 hours round trip to
> enjoy myself, i watched the show the way other
> people wanted to watch it, as to not be rude. with
> that said the hypocrisy of what you say is that
> because i like to stand up and dance while listening
> to live awesome music
> ( i know call me crazy), that makes me selfish, but
> when i am forced to sit through songs that i love
> because other people choose to "view a show in a
> different way" that makes it ....what?  that was the
> point of not wanting to start a pissing contest over
> this, and never anywhere did i or would i have said
> f you this is what the girls want so i am doing it
> because 1.) that is the one of the most ridicules
> things i have ever read and 2.) i am no where near
> selfish! and i would like to say lastly, that if i
> discounted other people's viewpoints and stances,
> then you wouldn't have needed to write this mostly
> incorrect post would you have? sorry if you feel
> flamed, it just really irks me when people respond
> to something the way that you responded.
>
> janet
>
>
> > --- jezzie98@comcast.net wrote:
> > > well, as response to your point in this "age old
> > > argument" i would have to say that samanticly,
> it
> > > would make more sense for the sitters to be
> sitting
> > > up high, so as that nothing could impair your
> > > vision, you could sit stadium style, with
> nothing in
> > > your view point.
> >
> > yes, it might make more sense to sit up high to
> you,
> > (and it makes more sense to me, but i cant speak
> for
> > others - i take that route as well) but try to
> > convince others of this -  you argue that 1. you
> paid
> > good money for your ticket, and 2.  you may have
> > waited hours in line for a good spot so you could
> > enjoy the show . . . so you should be able to do
> the
> > things you want..... but .....
> >
> > then doesn't this argument apply to those who want
> to
> > enjoy the show differently than the way you enjoy
> it?
> >  so don't the sittters have a right to enjoy the
> show
> > without seeing flailing appendages?
> >
> > or do you just discount there whole viewpoint and
> > opinions and stance too?
> >
> > there's never gonna be a solution, but it really
> irks
> > me when somone posts something like you just
> posted.
> > please don't flame me, and * i don't know you but
> i
> > know you probably did not mean for it to sound
> like
> > this, but it comes across as *sounding* extremely
> > selfish - i know you didn't mean it as such, but
> it
> > sure sounds it.
> >
> > it sounds like you're whole attitude is "f
> everyone
> > else.  the girls say they like dancing, so i'm
> gonna
> > dance and f... everyone else.
> >
> > i agree with you - dance if you want to.  sing if
> you
> > want to.  don't dance if you don't want to.  have
> fun
> > in whatever way you want.
> >
> > elaine
> >
> >
> > > > this is an age-old argument.  i say, if you
> are
> > > one who enjoys dancing,
> > > > wouldn't it be more polite for you to purchase
> > > seats in the back of the
> > > > venue so the rest of us could watch in peace
> > > without having to crane our
> > > > necks around your flailing appendages?
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in a message dated 6/21/2004 10:33:14 am eastern daylight time, jezzie98@comcast.net writes:

> i was yelled at by an old man in portland for dancing during "fill it up again" it was not wild "interpretive dance, i mean i was kind enough to leave my smog machine, and back up dancers at home, just happy bobbing and singing along to the music, if i wasn't certain it would have been a one way ticket to the firey pits of hell, i would have told him to f off, but i kindly sat down, and tried not to have my last ig show ruined by a crowd who sat on their asses for a good portion of
> a totally rockin show!

janet, my husband and i were about 10 rows behind you and saw that exchange! we could not figure that guy out ... one minute he's telling you to sit down and we're thinking he's probably some local bigwig that got free tix and has no idea who the girls are, and for most of the rest of the show, he was singing along word for word with every song, and up and bopping in the aisle when people stood for the faster songs! after emily finished singing all that we let in, he was waving and yelling, "emily! emily!" i started thinking he might be emily's dad or something (nope, found a book promo pic of emily and her dad). it was just so bizarre to us that he asked you to sit down then morphed into a singing, dancing ig fan. and it wasn't like you were right in front of him, either, you were a couple rows ahead.

anyway, yours was one of the mysteries we discussed on our drive home down the maine turnpike!

heidi

i just want to mention that i was at the show in philly a couple of nights ago and that when amy came out so sing cordova she was right in the middle of the song...it was beautiful and someone yelled out in a totally silent part "what the f*ck kind of encore is that?". i was just shocked. i really couldn't belive it. anyone else hear it?

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i totally would've engaged in the very un-indigo like behavior of
kicking his ass.

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i just want to mention that i was at the show in philly a couple of
nights ago and that when amy came out so sing cordova she was right in
the middle of the song...it was beautiful and someone yelled out in a
totally silent part "what the f*ck kind of encore is that?". i was just
shocked. i really couldn't belive it. anyone else hear it?

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that's so evil and insane! did it look like amy noticed?

people like that should just stay home.

on mon, 21 jun 2004 ndgogrls@aol.com wrote:

> i just want to mention that i was at the show in philly a couple of
> nights ago and that when amy came out so sing cordova she was right in
> the middle of the song...it was beautiful and someone yelled out in a
> totally silent part "what the f*ck kind of encore is that?". i was
> just shocked. i really couldn't belive it. anyone else hear it?

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how horrifyingly disrespectful!

she did cordova in portland as the first encore before galileo, and i
thought exactly what you thought  - she was totally in the middle of the
song, it was just gorgeous, really special.  i find i like many amy songs
much better live than in the studio - watching amy sing with her eyes
closed, giving the song her total focus, is a special moment.  of course i
prefer live music anyway, who doesn't, but i actually like the song better
after i see her do it live.

thanks
kerry

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i just want to mention that i was at the show in philly a couple of nights
ago and that when amy came out so sing cordova she was right in the middle
of the song...it was beautiful and someone yelled out in a totally silent
part "what the f*ck kind of encore is that?". i was just shocked. i really
couldn't belive it. anyone else hear it?

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ok, i wasn't at the show, but my friend concert called me during cordova. often, concert calls come out fuzzy. well, i heard something loud and clear in my cell phone from another cell phone. later that night, after the show, my friends called me to give me the report. they told me about the rude comment during cordova. nope, i wasn't just hearing things. how rude! they said they don't think that amy and emily heard. i'd hope not.

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oh marysunshine, you are turning this into a personal attack, i will not engage, or entertain you in a battle of pithy posts. but for the last time i will respond to your garble....i never called you hypocritical, i said your comments were! also, i was not being defensive, nor do i feel attacked, by a stranger on an ig mailing list by any means, i was simply replying to your incorrect comments, and lastly did you say grow up? um, not even sure how to respond to that, but perhaps you may want to take a bit of your own advice, and maybe check into an anger management class, ms. sunshine, was it?i was also wondering at what point in reading other people's opinion's do you turn on your super powers of interpretation and completely make a mountain of a mole hill? i would like to know so that i may ignore you next time.

janet

>
> you know, grow up and stop being so defensive. why
> don't you read what i said. you're under the
> impression that i personally attacked you.
> hypoocritical? yes, name calling is really mature.
> let's all resort to name calling when someone gives an
> opinion that we don't agree with.
>
> i never said you were selfish.  i even went to lengths
> to state that you did noot mean to sound that way and
> you were not selfish.  i simply said your post sounded
> like it was, but i thought i explained that i knew you
> didn't mean it that way.
>
> elaine
>
>
>
>
> elaine--- jezzie98@comcast.net wrote:
> > not only am i completely confused by your point, but
> > i find it to be extremely hypocritical. what you are
> > saying,and i will try to be clear is that i discount
> > other people's feelings, and f them, i am going to
> > dance anyway, correct? well, if you read the first
> > post clearly you would have also read that i sat
> > down, when asked, i did not want to sit down, but i
> > was also not there to ruin someone else's show, so
> > even though i paid full price for my ticket, took
> > time off from work , and drove 4 hours round trip to
> > enjoy myself, i watched the show the way other
> > people wanted to watch it, as to not be rude. with
> > that said the hypocrisy of what you say is that
> > because i like to stand up and dance while listening
> > to live awesome music
> > ( i know call me crazy), that makes me selfish, but
> > when i am forced to sit through songs that i love
> > because other people choose to "view a show in a
> > different way" that makes it ....what?  that was the
> > point of not wanting to start a pissing contest over
> > this, and never anywhere did i or would i have said
> > f you this is what the girls want so i am doing it
> > because 1.) that is the one of the most ridicules
> > things i have ever read and 2.) i am no where near
> > selfish! and i would like to say lastly, that if i
> > discounted other people's viewpoints and stances,
> > then you wouldn't have needed to write this mostly
> > incorrect post would you have? sorry if you feel
> > flamed, it just really irks me when people respond
> > to something the way that you responded.
> >
> > janet
> >
> >
> > > --- jezzie98@comcast.net wrote:
> > > > well, as response to your point in this "age old
> > > > argument" i would have to say that samanticly,
> > it
> > > > would make more sense for the sitters to be
> > sitting
> > > > up high, so as that nothing could impair your
> > > > vision, you could sit stadium style, with
> > nothing in
> > > > your view point.
> > >
> > > yes, it might make more sense to sit up high to
> > you,
> > > (and it makes more sense to me, but i cant speak
> > for
> > > others - i take that route as well) but try to
> > > convince others of this -  you argue that 1. you
> > paid
> > > good money for your ticket, and 2.  you may have
> > > waited hours in line for a good spot so you could
> > > enjoy the show . . . so you should be able to do
> > the
> > > things you want..... but .....
> > >
> > > then doesn't this argument apply to those who want
> > to
> > > enjoy the show differently than the way you enjoy
> > it?
> > >  so don't the sittters have a right to enjoy the
> > show
> > > without seeing flailing appendages?
> > >
> > > or do you just discount there whole viewpoint and
> > > opinions and stance too?
> > >
> > > there's never gonna be a solution, but it really
> > irks
> > > me when somone posts something like you just
> > posted.
> > > please don't flame me, and * i don't know you but
> > i
> > > know you probably did not mean for it to sound
> > like
> > > this, but it comes across as *sounding* extremely
> > > selfish - i know you didn't mean it as such, but
> > it
> > > sure sounds it.
> > >
> > > it sounds like you're whole attitude is "f
> > everyone
> > > else.  the girls say they like dancing, so i'm
> > gonna
> > > dance and f... everyone else.
> > >
> > > i agree with you - dance if you want to.  sing if
> > you
> > > want to.  don't dance if you don't want to.  have
> > fun
> > > in whatever way you want.
> > >
> > > elaine
> > >
> > >
> > > > > this is an age-old argument.  i say, if you
> > are
> > > > one who enjoys dancing,
> > > > > wouldn't it be more polite for you to purchase
> > > > seats in the back of the
> > > > > venue so the rest of us could watch in peace
> > > > without having to crane our
> > > > > necks around your flailing appendages?
> > > > >
> > >
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hi heidi,
that man was strange! i also at one point when everyone had finally stood up, turned around to see if the old man was coming to lay the smackdown on me, for daring leave my seat, and he was a dancing fool! the two women in the row next to me, came over and said why don't you stand up and dance if you want to, and i told them i didn't want to be rude, and they were pissed they couldn't dance either. i went to the bathroom, and there were 5 girls in there complaining about the same thing someone yelled at them to sit down, the girl in front of us wanted to stand up so bad, so we told her it was ok we wouldn't snap at her for having a good time! glad someone else who was actually at the show, and saw the incident in question, has something to say! kristin and i also talked about it on the very long drive back to nashua, nh! but, alas despite the negativity of some we still had a great time!
thanks heidi!

janet

> in a message dated 6/21/2004 10:33:14 am eastern daylight time,
> jezzie98@comcast.net writes:
>
> > i was yelled at by an old man in portland for dancing during "fill it up
> again" it was not wild "interpretive dance, i mean i was kind enough to leave my
> smog machine, and back up dancers at home, just happy bobbing and singing along
> to the music, if i wasn't certain it would have been a one way ticket to the
> firey pits of hell, i would have told him to f off, but i kindly sat down, and
> tried not to have my last ig show ruined by a crowd who sat on their asses for a
> good portion of
> > a totally   rockin show!
>
> janet, my husband and i were about 10 rows behind you and saw that exchange!  we
> could not figure that guy out ... one minute he's telling you to sit down and
> we're thinking he's probably some local bigwig that got free tix and has no idea
> who the girls are, and for most of the rest of the show, he was singing along
> word for word with every song, and up and bopping in the aisle when people stood
> for the faster songs!  after emily finished singing all that we let in, he was
> waving and yelling, "emily! emily!" i started thinking he might be emily's dad
> or something (nope, found a book promo pic of emily and her dad). it was just so
> bizarre to us that he asked you to sit down then morphed into a singing, dancing
> ig fan.  and it wasn't like you were right in front of him, either, you were a
> couple rows ahead.
>
> anyway, yours was one of the mysteries we discussed on our drive home down the
> maine turnpike!
>
> heidi
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i was right in next row in back of janet and she was not nearly bothersome
at all in portland, the unknown woman directly in front of me, however...

mike r.
*who bitches about this way too much*

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oh man, all stoked about the concert tonight and noah decided to have a conversation with god. we have a deluge going on here, and the concert's at an outdoor venue! hell, i'll need a pair of rubbers (not that kind) just to wade in.

pray that the clouds part at 8:00 pm, please!

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if you need tickets to chastain..........you should try calling the class=
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chastain folks, i just got row four of box four

the number is:
404-733-5000

via the web is:
http://www.classicchastain.com/performance.asp?pkey=3d040626ce

apparently they take returned tickets from the classic chastain members.=20

%^$& ticketmaster!!!!!

-todd

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speaking of 'hey jesus' someone yelled that out at an amy ray and the butchies show in athens, january, 2003. that was funny...
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while this is certainly odd from a song standpoint, it is not entirely
without merit since amy did *play* jesus in jesus christ superstar a few
years ago=2e=2e=2e

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speaking of 'hey jesus' someone yelled that out at an amy ray and the
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i disagree. at a rock concert (as opposed to the symphony), one should sit
or stand as the spirit moves them. sure, i'm sometimes bummed if someone in
front of me stands when i feel like sitting, but i would never in a million
years consider telling them to sit down.

lauren
(who goes to many, many concerts and is looking forward to the four in
colorado.)

victoria wrote:
this is an age-old argument. i say, if you are one who enjoys dancing,
wouldn't it be more polite for you to purchase seats in the back of the
venue so the rest of us could watch in peace without having to crane our
necks around your flailing appendages?

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p.s. a good part of why i'm so dedicated to the front row is that i have the
option to sit with an unobstructed view. but, hey, if i'm not in the front
row, i go into the show knowing that whoever has a better ticket in front of me
is the one with the option to decide.

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yah i was at the show - row n, dead center.  the
comment came from behind me, and to house right.  i
heard it completely clearly.  my friends who were
about six rows in front of me and on the (house) left
side of the center section heard something, but they
couldnt quite make it out.  i spoke to a couple of
friends in the pit who said they didnt hear anything
at all, so i figure there's a good shot amy and emily
didnt hear it either.  however, i know of at least two
boots of the show, and both have the comment pretty
clearly recorded on them, regardless of the taper's
position.

i did threaten to kick ass if i found the girl who
yelled that. and im by no means an aggressive
person.. but i figure that would have about warranted
a punch.

icy

--- ndgogrls@aol.com wrote:
> i just want to mention that i was at the show in
> philly a couple of nights ago and that when amy came
> out so sing cordova she was right in the middle of
> the song...it was beautiful and someone yelled out
> in a totally silent part "what the f*ck kind of
> encore is that?". i was just shocked. i really
> couldn't belive it. anyone else hear it?

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i was in the 8th row at philly smack dab in the center and i did not hear
that comment during cordova at all. there were a huge number of fans that
stood and danced (including me) for much of the concert. to defend my fellow
philly fans, the girls received a very enthusiastic reception from the
audience.
l.

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at 06:42 pm 6/21/04 -0700, you wrote:
>yah i was at the show - row n, dead center.  the
>comment came from behind me, and to house right.  i
>heard it completely clearly.  my friends who were
>about six rows in front of me and on the (house) left
>side of the center section heard something, but they
>couldnt quite make it out.  i spoke to a couple of
>friends in the pit who said they didnt hear anything
>at all, so i figure there's a good shot amy and emily
>didnt hear it either.  however, i know of at least two
>boots of the show, and both have the comment pretty
>clearly recorded on them, regardless of the taper's
>position.

i think violence is sometimes justified - and since cordova is my now fave
encore (tho ghost in boston was a treat, and a kid fears encore just is as
close to heaven at an ig show, and well there is mona lisas, but thats been
over 10 yrs since i heard it last...

mike r.

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hi everyone -
a while back i asked if anyone taped the show on 6/15 and a couple people
did - then i found a local source - well, i'll be damned if they didn't tape
something else. is there someone who is willing to make a copy for me? i
would be glad to make a cd for them or do some other kind favor?
thanks,
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<<that's so evil and insane.did she look like she noticed? people like
that should stay home.>>

amen sister!! i mean it's called "encore" for
a reason....meaning it's an extra gift to
show you are a good audience member...
something assholes like whoever did that
would never know...unfortunately for everyone
there.

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howdy, hello and happy birthday to the following folks!

june 14
lhabaeth@aol.com (rosalise)
"i want to slide into the black and wear the black mask"

june 16, 1979
"and when the winds of change have blown us round and back again, what was
once your pain will be your home."
shannon curnutte (shannonc@oregon.uoregon.edu)

june 16, 1979
"mandy (afc)" <eburton@brynmawr.edu>
"gotta learn to respect what you don't understand"

june 20
wowiejdm@aol.com

june 20
one bug (lori)
<onebug@hotmail.com>

june 22 (77)
kas28024@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (kim shaver)
"i think we dream so we don't have to be apart so long.
if we're in each other's dreams, we can play together all night."
-calvin and hobbes

june 23
nyka670@aol.com (mary)

june 25 (78)
ablipman@asa.upenn.edu
ablipman@worldspy.net (andi)
"the prize is always worth the rocky ride

june 25, 1974
chee (pinechee@yahoo.com)
"lick my legs, i'm on fire"

june 26 ('77)
ae-johnson@nwu.edu (amanda johnson)

june 27
gflame@ameritech.net (greg flamer)
(i thought amy's birthday was in april...silly me! ;)

june 27
lauren (jeunechou@aol.com)
"i was a fuzzy brown bear cub"

and sorry about last week! :)

love and devotion,
audra
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oh puhleese people....we have this discussion a lot on this
list....can't we
all just agree to disagree ? both
sides of the story are out now, arguing
isn't going to solve anything. the topic
has been up for a few days, can take
it off list?

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oh....and btw.....i wasn't referring to everyone...just mary sunshine
and jezzie. if you can keep the thread respectful fine.

i just have one question...i don't know if anyone has asked yet......was
there alcohol served at the show?? because people start acting like fucking
animals when they have been drinking...i went to the dallas show at the granada
there were fights breaking out right in front of me....there were drunk girls
dancing into me and whipping their hair in my face...and i never had those
problems at a venue were there was no drinking...the fact is the bottle is a bitch. i
just can't understand why people would pay good money to go to a show where
they are so damn sloshed they wouldn't even remember it! just my thoughts.

mandy (in oklahoma)

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