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date:         wed, 1 sep 2004 07:46:12 -0400
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cool! for the first time in my life i wished i lived in milwaukee!
:-)
l.
(jersey girl)

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date:         wed, 1 sep 2004 09:26:47 -0400
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> at 09:19 pm 8/31/04 -0400, jason hare wrote:
> >>what's gmail?
> >
> >it's like normal e-mail, but for gay people.
> >
> >jason
> this is a joke right - it is the google mail thing...cool tho i am
> not
> getting as many invites as other listees are - i've had it for a
> few months

yes, mike - it was my (apparently poor) attempt at a joke.  gmail is not just for gay people.  it's for everybody.  (although i heard last night at the rnc that the president is considering reserving gmail just for heterosexuals.  apparently google is mentioned in the constitution.)

gmail is webmail, like yahoo or hotmail, except it's through google.  it was announced in april of this year.  the main benefit to it is that everybody gets 1 gb of space on their servers to store your mail and attachments - with the theory being that with a gig of space, you'll never need to use hard drive-based e-mail again.  (i'm not so sure yet.)

the service is still in "beta," which means that it's being tested for bugs and stuff before it's released to the general public.  a whole bunch of people were selected to get gmail accounts, and as they use them more and more, the users get "invites" to send to other people, so they too can try gmail.

apparently it's an "in demand" thing.  at first, people were auctioning off their invites on ebay and trading them for things on craigslist and other sites.  now it seems to be a bit more commonplace.  my fiancee got an invite yesterday, signed up and immediately got six more invites to give out, followed by another three.  (she doesn't have any at the moment so sorry, i can't help you out.)

pretty soon i imagine they'll release it to the general public and anybody can sign up for it.  it seems like a great idea for people who use hotmail and yahoo.  i still used hard drive-based e-mail, so i'm not sure if i am going to switch over - plus, most incarnations of my name were already taken.  (damn all the jason hares out there - damn you to hell.)

for more information, you can check out http://gmail.google.com.  i hope this informative session on gmail has been both helpful and informative.  i am thinking about going on the lecture circuit to talk about gmail and am available for hire.  i'm going to see if neil wants to host a house concert in which i just strum a few chords and discuss google.  you all would come, right?

jason

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date:         wed, 1 sep 2004 06:51:11 -0700
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--- jason hare <hare@optonline.net> wrote:
>   the main benefit to it is that everybody gets
> 1 gb of space on their servers to store your mail
> and attachments - with the theory being that with a
> gig of space, you'll never need to use hard
> drive-based e-mail again.

so you get more gig space (whatever that is) - does
that affect the quality of email delivery or anything
about the email?  i am just trying to figure out how
all this translates - what the above means in plain
english to someone not very computer literate . . .
why is having 1 gb of space is better than hard
drive-based email?  what are the advantages?

elaine

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date:         wed, 1 sep 2004 10:03:32 -0400
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hotmail for example gives you 4mb of space for free 1 gig is 100mb of space...it's a lot of space.
and you can view mail in "conversation" form (all mail about one particular subject is "stacked")
and you can search your archives if you say for example were discussing amy & emily's grammy and couldn't remember what the grammy was for you could type "grammy"in the search and it would find all the emails where "grammy" was used...even if they were say 1 year old....
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date:         wed, 1 sep 2004 10:59:00 -0400
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> --- jason hare <hare@optonline.net> wrote:
> >   the main benefit to it is that everybody gets
> > 1 gb of space on their servers to store your mail
> > and attachments - with the theory being that with a
> > gig of space, you'll never need to use hard
> > drive-based e-mail again.
>
> so you get more gig space (whatever that is) - does
> that affect the quality of email delivery or anything
> about the email?  i am just trying to figure out how
> all this translates - what the above means in plain
> english to someone not very computer literate . . .
> why is having 1 gb of space is better than hard
> drive-based email?  what are the advantages?
>
> elaine

i'll answer here just in case people have similar questions.  to simplify, every e-mail you get takes up a certain amount of space.  most e-mails are small, between 1 and 5 k (kilobytes).  1000k equals 1 mb.  (most mp3s are between 1-7 mb big.)  so if you get an e-mail with an mp3 enclosed, it could be about 5 mb.

e-mail is initially sent and stored on the web, for example, yours is stored on yahoo.  some people have accounts where you download that mail to your computer's hard drive, thus taking it off the web and on your computer - so you can read it when you're not connected to the internet.

elaine, i'm guessing that all your mail is stored on yahoo.  meaning if you want to read old mail, saved mail, sent mail, etc, you log on to yahoo and read it all.  but the problem is that yahoo only gives you 100 mb of storage.  that's a lot of storage, actually - they used to only give you something like 4 mb of storage.  which means that once you get a lot of mail, or attachments (like an mp3 or a word document), you could potentially use up all your alloted space, and then they'll ask you to start deleting old e-mails.

the premise of gmail is that they're giving you 1 gb - which equals 1000 mb - and that you'll almost never use up all that space.  the advantage of web-based mail, like gmail or yahoo, over hard drive e-mail, is that you can always check old messages/sent messages/whatever from any computer, wherever you are.  (i download my mail at the end of the day to my hard drive at home.  so if i'm at work the next day and want to read an e-mail from yesterday, i can't do it.)  i do this because i like to have all my e-mail stored on my computer - just personal preference.

so for you, the main advantage of gmail would be that you have more space for e-mails - potentially for years - then you would at yahoo.  to answer your other question, the quality of e-mail is not affected at all.  the only real downside to web-based mail, like gmail or yahoo, is that if you can't get an internet connection, you can't read the mail.

i'll be setting up a 1-900 number shortly.

best,

jason

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date:         wed, 1 sep 2004 17:01:58 +0200
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as someone else has already pointed out there is a downside to gmail
as well, mainly a privacy issue

here is some info on this:
http://www.privacyrights.org/ar/gmailletter.htm

this is an excerpt from that site:

"the 31 organizations are voicing their concerns about google=99s plan to
scan the text of all incoming messages for the purposes of ad
placement, noting that the scanning of confidential email for inserting
third party ad content violates the implicit trust of an email service
provider. the scanning creates lower expectations of privacy in the
email medium and may establish dangerous precedents.
other concerns include the unlimited period for data retention that
google=99s current policies allow, and the potential for unintended
secondary uses of the information gmail will collect and store."

k

on 31 aug 2004 at 23:17, lynne @listserve wrote:

> thank you , mike. finally, someone answered the question. i'm
> forbidden by the 2 computer geeks who dwell in this house with me to
> sign up for anything unless its to pay a bill or purchase something. i
> use google to search every day but i had no idea they offered free
> email service too. i'm out of the loop compared to most on this list.
> thanks again mike! lynne
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date:         wed, 1 sep 2004 11:03:19 -0400
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hey ya'll-

i just wanted to send an invite to everyone about an event i've been helping to
plan.  i'm a volunteer with an atlanta grassroots organization called
kerrywingeorgia.org.  as the name implies we're trying hard to get out the vote
for kerry.  we started off very small (only in the north highlands) but have
expanded to encompass most of dekalb, fulton, and some of gwinnett.  anyways,
we're hosting a rally tonight at the park tavern (corner of 10th and monroe) in
response to former democratic senator zell miller's keynote speech at the
republican national convention wherein he's going to endorse bush and has
claimed that the ga democrats feel the same way.  well, this rally is to tell
him that we do not!  it starts at about 6.30 and goes until who knows.  we'll
have music (live and dj), video clips, speeches, press coverage, etc. there is
no charge to get in.  you'll be able to buy both beer/drink and food.  please
come out if you're interested!  it should be a good time!  let me know if
anyone has questions.  you can also go to our website www.kerrywingeorgia.org
to see more of what our group and this rally is all about  (you can also sign
up to volunteer there if you feel so inclined:)).

thanks-

laura mclane
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kerrywingeorgia.org

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date:         wed, 1 sep 2004 11:39:49 -0400
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privacy issues and gmail: (the blah, blah, blah part that no one reads!)

all email services scan your email. they do this routinely to provide such popular features as spam filtering, virus detection, search, spellchecking, forwarding, auto-responding, flagging urgent messages, converting incoming email into cell phone text messages, automatic saving and sorting into folders, converting text urls to clickable links, and reading messages to the blind. these features are widely accepted, trusted, and used by hundreds of millions of people every day.

google scans the text of gmail messages in order to filter spam and detect viruses, just as all major webmail services do. google also uses this scanning technology to deliver targeted text ads and other related information. this is completely automated and involves no humans.

when a user opens an email message, computers scan the text and then instantaneously display relevant information that is matched to the text of the message. once the message is closed, ads are no longer displayed. it is important to note that the ads generated by this matching process are dynamically generated each time a message is opened by the user--in other words, google does not attach particular ads to individual messages or to users' accounts.

we recognize that seeing ads based on the content of an email message can be unsettling at first. our experience has been that this feeling recedes as users become more familiar with gmail. however, some people, many of whom have not used gmail, have reacted by condemning all automatic scanning of email content, on the grounds that it amounts to a violation of privacy. we think this criticism is misplaced. all major email services, including hotmail and yahoo! mail, automatically scan email content for the benefit of users. when email messages are fully protected from unwanted disclosure, the automatic scanning of email does not amount to a violation of privacy.

on the other hand, delivering information gathered through email scanning to a third party would be a violation of privacy. google does not do this. neither email content nor any personal information is ever shared with other parties as a result of our ad-targeting process.


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date:         thu, 2 sep 2004 15:31:03 -0400
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since they go so quickly here, i figured i'd offer up my 5 invites here first again (if you responded last time, i already sent you one as i got more yesterday).

if you want one, email me not here but at indigokare@gmail.com

thanks!!! :)


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date:         fri, 3 sep 2004 09:55:58 -0400
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> since they go so quickly here, i figured i'd offer up my 5 invites
> here first again (if you responded last time, i already sent you
> one as i got more yesterday).

what is gmail again?

thanks,

jason

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date:         mon, 6 sep 2004 01:45:34 +0000
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not getting any emails is list really this quiet, or did i get bounced?
janet

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date:         sun, 5 sep 2004 22:10:43 -0400
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see?  i go to a different state to turn 30 and i slip right back into my old habits...old being the operative word!  anyway - i thought i would send this out a day early because i remembered!  i need to do it before i lose my brain again *heh*

august 24 ('79)
arjuna greist <agreist@calvin.pitzer.edu>
"are you on fire, from the years? what would you give for your kid fears?"

august 27, 1980
carrie <carrie827@yahoo.com>
"every thought's a possibility" =96es

september 5th (=9273)
chaosbob@presys.com (chris m. wilson)


hope it was or is happy - and here's to many happy years to come!

love,
audra
bge :)

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date:         wed, 8 sep 2004 10:30:49 +1000
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hey folks,

i'm not going to post it here, but there's a 2-page report on yesterday's
reinvest in america rally online here (including a 1-line quote from
emily) :

http://wvgazette.com/section/news/2004090621

cheers,
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