lifeblood: listlogs: 2005-01a


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date:         sat, 1 jan 2005 08:35:32 +0000
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from: sherlyn koo <sherlyn@pixelopolis.com>
>
>happy new year everyone -
>
>i don't recall hearing about this book before, but it looks like a&e
>were interviewed for it:
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0813123100/qid=1104548320/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-7185176-5611911?v=glance&s=books
>
>it's called "girls rock!: fifty years of women making music" and
>is written by susan shaw, mina carson and tisa lewis.
>
>you can read an article about the book here -
>http://www.registerguard.com/news/2004/12/31/8.tk.girlsrock.1231.html
>
>cheers,
>sherlyn

i read sections of this book, and parts of it are quite good - definitely
introduced me to more great artists and told me one or two things about the
girls i didn't already know.

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date:         sat, 1 jan 2005 14:47:05 -0800
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i used to know the birthdays of peter yarrow, noel "paul" stookey and mary travers collectively known as peter,paul and mary. and i sent all three of them birthday cards.....i was in high school-college in the '80's....so it was kind of unusual considerring most my peers were into all those groups like motley crue, bon jovi, culture club, duran duran,starship.

--- mike reynolds <mike@uppity-disability.net> wrote:

from: mike reynolds <mike@uppity-disability.net>
date: fri, 31 dec 2004 10:18:23 -0500
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subject: re: ig: dear diary : )

at 05:47 am 12/31/2004, marion o'sullivan wrote:
>i've just been going through my diary for next year adding in various
>memorable
>dates.    my girlfriend thinks it's amusing that i put in amy and emily's
>birthdays as well as those of family and friends.
>
>i don't think there's anything odd about it; and i'm sure you all understand!
>anyone else do this?

yup -

only cuz my sis and amy were born on same month, day and yr....wonder who's
older????


mike r.

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date:         sat, 1 jan 2005 18:06:20 -0800
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it's been pretty good so far.  i heard an interview with the authors this summer
and i've been reading it off and on ever since.  i was also pleased to see that
it's published by the university press of kentucky - yay for university
presses!


anna

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date:         sun, 2 jan 2005 02:36:28 -0600
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it doesn't seem so weird. anyway, lots of calendars come pre-printed with
celebrity birthdays. like the simpsons one, for example. according to
which it's jd salinger's birthday, and also b. kliban's.

and barb, i was the exact same way about pp&m, only it was late 80s, early
90s for me. i still have a scrapbook that has a letter from each of the
three. they were very good about writing back. did you hear mary's sick,
by the way? :( there's an address to send get-well cards on
http://www.peterpaulandmary.com

on sat, 1 jan 2005, barb bordner wrote:

> i used to know the birthdays of peter yarrow, noel "paul" stookey and
> mary travers collectively known as peter,paul and mary. and i sent all
> three of them birthday cards.....i was in high school-college in the
> '80's....so it was kind of unusual considerring most my peers were
> into all those groups like motley crue, bon jovi, culture club, duran
> duran,starship.
>
> --- mike reynolds <mike@uppity-disability.net> wrote:
>
> from: mike reynolds <mike@uppity-disability.net>
> date: fri, 31 dec 2004 10:18:23 -0500
> to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
> subject: re: ig: dear diary : )
>
> at 05:47 am 12/31/2004, marion o'sullivan wrote:
> >i've just been going through my diary for next year adding in various
> >memorable
> >dates.    my girlfriend thinks it's amusing that i put in amy and emily's
> >birthdays as well as those of family and friends.
> >
> >i don't think there's anything odd about it; and i'm sure you all understand!
> >anyone else do this?
>
> yup -
>
> only cuz my sis and amy were born on same month, day and yr....wonder who's
> older????
>
>
> mike r.
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date:         mon, 3 jan 2005 01:08:31 +0000
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subject:      michelle & chris from nh....

please excuse the mass email, but michelle i can't find your email address. please email when you get a second! sorry everyone else.

thanks!

janet

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date:         mon, 3 jan 2005 01:39:26 -0600
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my girlfriend bought a 2005 datebook this weekend.  the first thing
she did was write down amy's and emily's birthdays.  even before she
wrote mine in... lol.  ;)

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date:         tue, 4 jan 2005 18:49:42 -0700
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hello friends,

uncle earl will be in the midwest starting on the 20th.  if you live in
one of the following cities and are willing to street team in exchange
for free tix, please let me know asap:

uncle earl with fog horn string band and the mammals
jan 20-kent state, oh
jan 21-ann arbor, mi
jan 22-goshen, in
jan 23-bloomington, in
jan 25-cedar rapids, ia
jan 26-minneapolis, mn
jan 27-madison, wi
jan 28-chicago, il
jan 29-chicago, il

see http://www.uncleearl.net for more info on the band.

thanks,

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date:         wed, 5 jan 2005 17:53:41 +0000
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hi all. i hope everyone had a good new year.

i was wondering what the exact taping policy at indigo girls' shows is. i
added them to the list of bands that allow taping on the wikipedia site, but
after doing that i realized i wasn't 100% sure they allowed taping. can
anyone clarify for me? thanks in advance.

tom m.

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this is making me wonder:  are there artists who specificially don't allow
taping?  seems pretty dumb to piss off the tapers these days.

on wed, 5 jan 2005, tom xxxxx wrote:
> i was wondering what the exact taping policy at indigo girls' shows is. i
> added them to the list of bands that allow taping on the wikipedia site, but
> after doing that i realized i wasn't 100% sure they allowed taping. can
> anyone clarify for me? thanks in advance.

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http://www.indigogirls.com/corresp/2002/2002-06-17-r.html

indigo girls official taping policy


anna

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indigo girls official taping policy
audience taping is permitted at all indigo girls shows. we believe
that taping shows is helpful in the encouragement of fan interaction
and a way of having a permanent memory of a live show. if indigo girls
are playing in an event which features multiple bands, the taping
policy of the headlining band and/or the festival event will dictate
the taping policy for that evening. all taping of live indigo girls
shows is restricted to audio only; no video taping will be allowed.
audio recording is limited to portable equipment which includes
microphones and a recorder. power or other auxiliary equipment are
generally not supplied, so be prepared to bring your own battery
powered equipment. soundboard feeds will not be allowed. if you wish
to tape, we encourage you to arrive early to set up.

all taping must be for personal and non-commercial use only. no profit
is ever to be made from live shows. you are permitted to trade shows
with other fans for an equal amount of media (ie. 2 cds for 2 cds).
indigo girls, inc. reserves the right to seek legal remedies against
anyone that is in violation of this policy.

trading of shows has been a large part of recreating the live
experience and we want to continue offering this option to fans.
please keep clear of the crew during the show. remember that the
audience's enjoyment of a live show is paramount and will never be
sacrificed to accommodate tapers. please refrain at all times from
requesting fans to move or keep quiet. please respect other fans while
you are taping.

thank you -
indigo girls


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and i'm swimming to the edge of the sea,
and i'm laughing, i'm under a starry sky
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don't bury me carry me..."
~~ amy ray, indigo girls

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you just dream of the ocean
waves from the aleutians crashing on the shore
and you'd dream of the maori
alive in the south sea..."
~~ nate borofsky, girlyman

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http://www.girlyman.com
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i don't think patti griffin allows taping. i was at folks in 2003 and
tapers specifically were asked not to tape her set.


-bon

on wed, 5 jan 2005, garian wrote:

> this is making me wonder:  are there artists who specificially don't allow
> taping?  seems pretty dumb to piss off the tapers these days.
>

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i think its more a case of an implied "no."  while i
havent ever seen a band specifically bar tapers at
shows, i think its generally assumed that youre not
allowed to tape shows unless you have explicit
permission.  i always assume its something i have to
"hide" unless im at an ig show (or girlyman, who also
allows taping) - even if its an artist i dont think
would mind, like dar williams.

icy

> on wed, 5 jan 2005, garian wrote:
>
> > this is making me wonder:  are there artists who
> specificially don't allow
> > taping?  seems pretty dumb to piss off the tapers
> these days.

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quoting icyspook <icyspook@yahoo.com>:
> even if its an artist i dont think would mind, like dar williams.

many years ago i asked about dar williams live recordings, and i was told that
dar is adamantly opposed to being recorded.  apparently she is quite a
perfectionist and doesn't want any recordings to exist unless she has control
over their content.  this may have changed since 1997-ish, though.

anna

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actually, i think dar williams does mind, very much.

kind of over dar williams, myself.
andrea

on wed, 5 jan 2005, icyspook wrote:

> i think its more a case of an implied "no."  while i
> havent ever seen a band specifically bar tapers at
> shows, i think its generally assumed that youre not
> allowed to tape shows unless you have explicit
> permission.  i always assume its something i have to
> "hide" unless im at an ig show (or girlyman, who also
> allows taping) - even if its an artist i dont think
> would mind, like dar williams.
>
> icy
>
> > on wed, 5 jan 2005, garian wrote:
> >
> > > this is making me wonder:  are there artists who
> > specificially don't allow
> > > taping?  seems pretty dumb to piss off the tapers
> > these days.
>
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yet at places like the lyons folk fest where there is a taper area, she
doesn't make them turn them off or anything.  since i have copies of her
shows there...


on wed, 5 jan 2005, andrea crain wrote:

> actually, i think dar williams does mind, very much.
>
> kind of over dar williams, myself.
> andrea
>
> on wed, 5 jan 2005, icyspook wrote:
>
> > i think its more a case of an implied "no."  while i
> > havent ever seen a band specifically bar tapers at
> > shows, i think its generally assumed that youre not
> > allowed to tape shows unless you have explicit
> > permission.  i always assume its something i have to
> > "hide" unless im at an ig show (or girlyman, who also
> > allows taping) - even if its an artist i dont think
> > would mind, like dar williams.

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i'm pretty certain that a lot of bands specifically disallow taping.  i
know metallica is completely opposed to it.  there seems to be a
definite split in the thinking -- some of the bands see taping as
somehow ripping the band off, as distributing the shows (even through
trading) is free dissemination of their work.  others see live
performances as an organic, one-time-only event (even if the same
setlist is performed every night), and thus taping one show is only
recording an event and not taking anything from the band, per se.

furthurnet is an excellent resource for people interested in taping,
and they only allow trading of shows by bands who have officially
stated that they support tapers.  happily, ig is on the list.  pearl
jam allows taping, even though they sell official copies of every show
of every tour, or at least the past couple of tours.  i've heard there
are even some bands who are considering including an official bootleg
of the show attended with each ticket.  kinda like prince giving
everyone attending his musicology tour a copy of his newest cd.

on jan 5, 2005, at 3:50 pm, garian wrote:

> yet at places like the lyons folk fest where there is a taper area, she
> doesn't make them turn them off or anything.  since i have copies of
> her
> shows there...
>
>
> on wed, 5 jan 2005, andrea crain wrote:
>
>> actually, i think dar williams does mind, very much.
>>
>> kind of over dar williams, myself.
>> andrea
>>
>> on wed, 5 jan 2005, icyspook wrote:
>>
>>> i think its more a case of an implied "no."  while i
>>> havent ever seen a band specifically bar tapers at
>>> shows, i think its generally assumed that youre not
>>> allowed to tape shows unless you have explicit
>>> permission.  i always assume its something i have to
>>> "hide" unless im at an ig show (or girlyman, who also
>>> allows taping) - even if its an artist i dont think
>>> would mind, like dar williams.
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dar has given explict permission in the past - even allowing photos without
flash in the past...but sometimes, the best moments (like the encore at
bates college in 99, with maybe 110 people) are best enjoyed in the moment
- even if the tape runs out....


dunno how she is now - but she is amazing live...


mike r.

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my last post may have reflected a personal taping policy between dar and
myself - maybe there is a exception or relationship - i'm not flaunting it
- by any means - just responding to a post with stuff that happened in
1999. havent talked to her in a few yrs, havent seen her since 2003...

sorry, i have a wierd taping history with her - i need nff 98 (her set,
dunno where my master is, she played mine and my den mom's request....


mp3's anyone...


mike r.

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http://darwilliams.net/set/set.html

the snowden environmental trust is a non-profit foundation set up by dar
williams to donate money to worthwhile environmental organizations, in
particular, those which are working to preserve land and help wildlife
habitat.  dar has suggested that $10 be sent to the fund when you trade
bootlegs of her performances.

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does anyone know of an active bbs for dar williams,
and possibly a place i could send an email or letter
to ask about her official taping policy?

thanks,
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>from: graham ames <heepybear@jefu.net>
>i've heard there are even some bands who are considering including an
>official bootleg of the show attended with each ticket.  kinda like prince
>giving
>everyone attending his musicology tour a copy of his newest cd.
>

for a number of years i've thought that would be a good idea. even if you
had to pay a small fee ($10 or so) for the concert you just attended. that
would rock! i think it would build a great connection between fans and
artists. if i was in a band, i'd do it.

we need to convince the girls (and tori) to do this. it would've been just
the coolest thing to walk out of the buffalo 2001 show with a copy of it in
hand (amy and emily were really talkative that night and the set list was
awesome!) or the ithaca '98 tori show (best. show. ever.). it would make
paying the exorbitant ticket fees more palatable.

speaking of fees, isn't it neat that you can now buy concert tickets
directly from the ig site? i hope other artists follow suit. f*%$
ticketbastard!

cheers,
tom m.
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at 09:17 am 1/6/2005, tom xxxxx wrote:
>>from: graham ames <heepybear@jefu.net>
>>i've heard there are even some bands who are considering including an
>>official bootleg of the show attended with each ticket.  kinda like prince
>>giving
>>everyone attending his musicology tour a copy of his newest cd.
>
>for a number of years i've thought that would be a good idea. even if you
>had to pay a small fee ($10 or so) for the concert you just attended. that
>would rock! i think it would build a great connection between fans and
>artists. if i was in a band, i'd do it.
>
>we need to convince the girls (and tori) to do this. it would've been just
>the coolest thing to walk out of the buffalo 2001 show with a copy of it in
>hand (amy and emily were really talkative that night and the set list was
>awesome!) or the ithaca '98 tori show (best. show. ever.). it would make
>paying the exorbitant ticket fees more palatable.

yes, in fact, i've already had this experience - went to see arrested
development (the rap group responsible for tennessee, the song from jeez,
15 yrs ago) and i had my booting gear, there was an "instant live" boot
available for 15 dollars right after the show. the mix wasn't perfect, but
far superior than a audience and none of the hassle of mastering a
recording to cd....

so the technology exists....phish, the dead and pearl jam have their shows
downloable usually 48 hrs after a gig. tho i have heard it takes quite the
$$, staff and committment to do it.

mike r.

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about a year ago, clear channel patented the technology of recording live=
=20
shows and making them available immediately following the shows that you=20
attend. if i remember the story correctly they designed a patent to cover=
the=20
process. they actually bought the process from a couple of guys that were=
=20
doing it and patented it. its unclear what kind of crap they will pull wi=
th=20
such a patent, but i'm sure we'll see the results some day. i hate clear=20
channel!

on thursday 06 january 2005 08:35 am, mike reynolds wrote:
> at 09:17 am 1/6/2005, tom xxxxx wrote:
> >>from: graham ames <heepybear@jefu.net>
> >>i've heard there are even some bands who are considering including an
> >>official bootleg of the show attended with each ticket.  kinda like
> >> prince giving
> >>everyone attending his musicology tour a copy of his newest cd.
> >
> >for a number of years i've thought that would be a good idea. even if =
you
> >had to pay a small fee ($10 or so) for the concert you just attended. =
that
> >would rock! i think it would build a great connection between fans and
> >artists. if i was in a band, i'd do it.
> >
> >we need to convince the girls (and tori) to do this. it would've been =
just
> >the coolest thing to walk out of the buffalo 2001 show with a copy of =
it
> > in hand (amy and emily were really talkative that night and the set l=
ist
> > was awesome!) or the ithaca '98 tori show (best. show. ever.). it wou=
ld
> > make paying the exorbitant ticket fees more palatable.
>
> yes, in fact, i've already had this experience - went to see arrested
> development (the rap group responsible for tennessee, the song from jee=
z,
> 15 yrs ago) and i had my booting gear, there was an "instant live" boot
> available for 15 dollars right after the show. the mix wasn't perfect, =
but
> far superior than a audience and none of the hassle of mastering a
> recording to cd....
>
> so the technology exists....phish, the dead and pearl jam have their sh=
ows
> downloable usually 48 hrs after a gig. tho i have heard it takes quite =
the
> $$, staff and committment to do it.
>
> mike r.

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here's the information on her mailing list.

dar-list

the list has been running since 1995 and currently has hundreds of members.

if you're interested in joining an online mailing list to discuss dar's
music with other fans, send the following command in email to
dar-list-request@world.std.com: subscribe

or you can send mail to majordomo@world.std.com with the following command
in the body of your email message: subscribe dar-list

or from another account, besides the one you're sending the e-mail from,
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does anyone know of an active bbs for dar williams,
and possibly a place i could send an email or letter
to ask about her official taping policy?

thanks,
icy

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how on earth would they manage to make enough duplicates for everyone
right after the show, though?

amazing idea.

on thu, 6 jan 2005, mike reynolds wrote:

> at 09:17 am 1/6/2005, tom xxxxx wrote:
> >>from: graham ames <heepybear@jefu.net>
> >>i've heard there are even some bands who are considering including an
> >>official bootleg of the show attended with each ticket.  kinda like prince
> >>giving
> >>everyone attending his musicology tour a copy of his newest cd.
> >
> >for a number of years i've thought that would be a good idea. even if you
> >had to pay a small fee ($10 or so) for the concert you just attended. that
> >would rock! i think it would build a great connection between fans and
> >artists. if i was in a band, i'd do it.
> >
> >we need to convince the girls (and tori) to do this. it would've been just
> >the coolest thing to walk out of the buffalo 2001 show with a copy of it in
> >hand (amy and emily were really talkative that night and the set list was
> >awesome!) or the ithaca '98 tori show (best. show. ever.). it would make
> >paying the exorbitant ticket fees more palatable.
>
> yes, in fact, i've already had this experience - went to see arrested
> development (the rap group responsible for tennessee, the song from jeez,
> 15 yrs ago) and i had my booting gear, there was an "instant live" boot
> available for 15 dollars right after the show. the mix wasn't perfect, but
> far superior than a audience and none of the hassle of mastering a
> recording to cd....
>
> so the technology exists....phish, the dead and pearl jam have their shows
> downloable usually 48 hrs after a gig. tho i have heard it takes quite the
> $$, staff and committment to do it.
>
> mike r.
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       i don't know dar's policy, because i don't tape. however, my
supposition is that she now plays in a lot of venues that do not allow taping. they
probably just issue broad, one-size-fits-all restrictions. www.darwilliams.net is
a fan-run, dar-supported web site that includes info about the darlist and
also all kind of dar links.
       and, yes, clear channel often runs venues that forbid taping (though
not necessarily where dar plays). and i think they are wrong for doing this.
       however, i won't give a blanket dismissal of clear channel, because
without them, a historic art-deco movie house in philadelphia would be facing
the wrecking ball. the city and state did not want to spend the bucks to save
the boyd theatre (also known as the sameric, built in 1928). they would rather
direct their cash toward stadiums housing multimillion-dollar sports
corporations and legalized gambling facilities, and only clear channel came forward with
money to save the theater.
deb

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the rumor in u2-land is that an audience member can take their ipod (tm, all
rights reserved) to the show, hand it to a staffer, and pick it up after the
show fully loaded.  yes, ipods only, probably in apple's special mp4 format.
this is all rumor based on the apple-u2 partnership and comments to the
press.

i like what pearl jam does better where you see a show, finally get out of
the parking lot, drive home, log onto their server, and the show you just
heard is ready in unmixed form to be downloaded.  two weeks later, a
mastered cd arrives with unique packaging.

see ya,

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> how on earth would they manage to make enough duplicates for everyone
> right after the show, though?
>
> amazing idea.
>
> on thu, 6 jan 2005, mike reynolds wrote:
>
> > at 09:17 am 1/6/2005, tom xxxxx wrote:
> > >>from: graham ames <heepybear@jefu.net>
> > >>i've heard there are even some bands who are considering including an
> > >>official bootleg of the show attended with each ticket.  kinda like
prince
> > >>giving
> > >>everyone attending his musicology tour a copy of his newest cd.
> > >
> > >for a number of years i've thought that would be a good idea. even if
you
> > >had to pay a small fee ($10 or so) for the concert you just attended.
that
> > >would rock! i think it would build a great connection between fans and
> > >artists. if i was in a band, i'd do it.
> > >
> > >we need to convince the girls (and tori) to do this. it would've been
just
> > >the coolest thing to walk out of the buffalo 2001 show with a copy of
it in
> > >hand (amy and emily were really talkative that night and the set list
was
> > >awesome!) or the ithaca '98 tori show (best. show. ever.). it would
make
> > >paying the exorbitant ticket fees more palatable.
> >
> > yes, in fact, i've already had this experience - went to see arrested
> > development (the rap group responsible for tennessee, the song from
jeez,
> > 15 yrs ago) and i had my booting gear, there was an "instant live" boot
> > available for 15 dollars right after the show. the mix wasn't perfect,
but
> > far superior than a audience and none of the hassle of mastering a
> > recording to cd....
> >
> > so the technology exists....phish, the dead and pearl jam have their
shows
> > downloable usually 48 hrs after a gig. tho i have heard it takes quite
the
> > $$, staff and committment to do it.
> >
> > mike r.
> >
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>>so the technology exists....phish, the dead and pearl jam have their shows
downloable usually 48 hrs after a gig. tho i have heard it takes quite the
$$, staff and committment to do it.>>

all true.  some bands do have them ready on-the-fly, but other bands just offer them on their website.  the who have recently made the majority of their concerts available for purchase on their website, with all proceeds going to charity.  (then again, they're rich as hell...)

barenaked ladies offer you the chance to buy a "download coupon" at the merchandise table - then you log onto the website, enter the coupon code, and there's your recording - in either cd form, mp3 or flac....this is the way to go.

even better, some bands (like bnl and guster) have some of their shows available on itunes.  this is the absolute best deal going imho - you're not getting uncompressed files, true, but they're soundboard and excellent-sounding, and more importantly, you can download individual files if you choose.  i don't need 50 live versions of "galileo" (even though, um, i have at least 50 anyway), but it'd be great to get a rarity or two when they're played, and just pay $.99 for the privilege.

this is definitely the wave of the future.  either way, even if the bands don't make them available for purchase, i just don't understand the logic of not allowing tapers.  all it does is increase fandom.  i could have sworn that both patty griffin and nickel creek are okay with taping, just not internet trading...but i could be wrong.

jason

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at 03:20 pm 1/6/2005, michael w cummins wrote:
>the rumor in u2-land is that an audience member can take their ipod (tm, all
>rights reserved) to the show, hand it to a staffer, and pick it up after the
>show fully loaded.  yes, ipods only, probably in apple's special mp4 format.
>this is all rumor based on the apple-u2 partnership and comments to the
>press.


oh god, if this is true than it will be the atomic itunes tour...

not a bad thing, but diehards really shouldn't have to pay $150 for 447
downloaded songs, to get maybe 12 songs that were not available anywhere.
u2 released the concert in brooklyn (amazing gig - got the dvd from a
filmer in the crowd, and the free concert, imho, was nothing short of pure
brillance, yet what mtv showed, and what itunes released is seriously
lacking. i mean they did the most intense version of miracle drug)

no comment on how many u2 shows i want to see this tour..

tho it is a cool concept, but i dont like the ipod interface...

mike r.

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actually, if they follow the pearl jam model, they'll give you a url
where you can download the show about 24-48 hours the concert, and then
they'd snail mail you the physical cd about 2 weeks after the show.
(pearl jam hasn't been doing it exactly this way, but other bands have
been.)

there are actually some outfits which have cds of the actual show about
45 minutes after it's finished, i guess the idea being you'd hang out
in the parking lot or something (traffic sucks after a concert,
anyway), and then grab the physical disc and be on your way.  it's
probably got zero mastering applied to it, which is where i like the pj
idea better -- they don't do much to it, but they at least rebalance
the sound and add some audience noise at the appropriate moments.


on jan 6, 2005, at 9:33 am, andrea crain wrote:

> how on earth would they manage to make enough duplicates for everyone
> right after the show, though?
>
> amazing idea.

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>i just don't understand the logic of not allowing tapers. all it does is increase fandom.

--that's exactly what has happened with tori amos. she never allows her concerts to be recorded by goers, but look at all the "boots" of virtually every show she's done that are out there! i'm on one tori trading list that has well over 1,000 people--all seeking them.

btw-i'm kinda' a newbie. been a longtime ig fan. haven't been to as many shows as i'd like to have been, but i hope to catch them next time they come 'round.

see ya'll--
lorna

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>we need to convince the girls (and tori) to [offer cd copies of their shows post-show]...

--the call for interview questions to the little blue world 'zine just closed (they are about to interview tori for a future issue) hopefully some wise "ewf" asked her about this too good of an idea that seems to be working by the bands/acts who are offering cd copies of their shows. ;-) wouldn't hurt to pass this idea along to the other boards--would be great if folks can try to get the girls' attention on this.

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haven't posted here in ages but wanted to throw my .02 in.  as for
discs of a concert being available after the concert.  the allman
brothers are doing this through instant live.  its actually a
great service.  the cds for 2003 were so so, but from the 2004
concerts they are great.  i'd love to see more artists doing this.
its great listening to the show you just saw on the way home.
and for $25 and waiting a half hour (if you have to use the
restroom after the show, you've just killed half the time.

kari

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>
>--that's exactly what has happened with tori amos. she never allows her
>concerts to be recorded >by goers, but look at all the "boots" of virtually
>every show she's done that are out there! i'm on >one tori trading list
>that has well over 1,000 people--all seeking them.

lorna,

it was my understanding that tori allows taping but only if you use them for
personal use or trading (i could be wrong though; i'll check on the tori
list). tori is totally against internet file sharing of commercially
released stuff. this is the major reason why she has added bonus dvds and
other cool content to her cd releases: to encourage you to buy the cd
instead of file-sharing it.

i think the girls were doing a similar thing by including the dvd with
atwli.

cheers,
tom m.

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i just wanted to give a heads up to people in atlanta
that the new station dave fm (92.9) regularly plays
ig.  kid fears is playing as i type this and i have
heard galileo and closer to fine often in the past.
the rest of the music they play is pretty freaking
cool as well.

liz

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