lifeblood: listlogs: 2005-04a


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date:         fri, 1 apr 2005 16:02:31 +0200
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hi,

washblade.com (washington blade online) writes this about amy's new
album:

"amy ray=92s second solo effort, =93prom,=94 is an often-addictive homage =
to
the thrills and tribulations of high school. the lesbian singer-songwriter=

and half of indigo girls goes political on songs like =93rural faggot,=94 =
but
shines when she sticks to her folk-rock roots."
source: http://www.washblade.com/2005/4-1/arts/music/music.cfm

be well,
kathrin

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date:         fri, 1 apr 2005 06:23:21 -0800
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on amazon.com one can download mp3s of driver
education and covered for you!  just search for prom.
i think an amazon account is required, but it's free.

i can't wait for prom...

jer

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date:         fri, 1 apr 2005 10:56:11 -0500
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subject:      the tape loop lives again
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hey all,
about this time last year, we did a "tape" loop .. i really liked doing it,
and getting a taste of everyone else's fav' bands .. is anyone interested in
doing it again?

to recap what a tape loop is:
everyone makes a mix cd - without indigo girls (since we know you like the
ig) of their favorite artists, local artists, special live versions of their
favorite songs - whatever - just stuff you think other people would like or
someone they should know about - and then we will be set up in a loop - you
send your cd to the next person on the list - if they like it, they make a
copy for themselves and then they send it on to the next person.

last year we there were enough people that we multiple loops of 5 people
each, and i wound up getting 3 cd's out of 5 .. my peronal preference is to
just have receive all 5 cd's up front, with no loss of quality, but hey - i
guess i'm just greedy ;)

so - if anyone's interested, email me privately and i'll set up the loop(s)
..
-chuck

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date:         fri, 1 apr 2005 08:29:03 -0800
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not sure if these have been posted here or not yet:

6 july - humphreys, san diego, ca
9 july - fox theater, redwood city, ca
10 july - villa montalvo, saratoga, ca

:)

***
"i'm running to the end of the earth,
and i'm swimming to the edge of the sea,
and i'm laughing, i'm under a starry sky
this world was meant for me
don't bury me carry me..."
~~ amy ray, indigo girls

"there's a lot to be said for what's been left behind
you just dream of the ocean
waves from the aleutians crashing on the shore
and you'd dream of the maori
alive in the south sea..."
~~ nate borofsky, girlyman

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hi everyone,

it's now the morning after.

last night's show was at a brand, spankin' new venue called the co
convention center lecture hall.  it's a part of the big conference center  in downtown
denver, which makes it very accessible by public transport.  ig  are only the
second show that they've ever had there.  (alicia keys kicked  things off
three weeks ago.)

it's shaped like a mini-shed or universal amp. in la.  by that i mean  that
it's a pretty wide angled, semi-circle.  total capacity is about  5000.  i'm
guessing they sold about 2500 tickets.  unfortunately, the  ticket prices were
high (at about $65 w/ fees, which a&e apologized for  multiple times during the
night) and the show was poorly promoted.  as more  people know about the
venue, and if it were better promoted, i'm guessing they  would sell 3000-3500.

they looked scary, but security was very low key.  they behaved  like ushers,
for the most part.

amy came out and introduced magnapop.  during her intro, she asked  people to
stand and to move up to the front.  for the first 2/3 of the set,  nobody
did.  finally, with the support of those around me, i got people up  and moving.
(the advantages of having 7 people in the front row,  center.)  it made the
band really happy.  it made amy happy.  and  most importantly, it planted the
idea that it was going to be a standing rather  than a sitting up front night.

the openers were kind of a punky, thrashy band.  not a surprise that  amy
digs them.  they had great heart and a good vibe, but their skills were  not up
to snuff.

a&e had been watching the 2nd half of their set from the wings.   amy came
out to sing the last song with them.  with the help of amy, the  band, and those
of us up front, we got emily to come out on stage, too.   a&e's vocals were
totally buried, but it was great to have them out  there.  apparently, this was
the last show of the tour, and everyone had  been having a good time together
on the road.  (magnapop is two women and  two men.  i'm guessing they're
mostly 30something.)

during the break, i worked on keeping people from congregating in the  front,
as i didn't want to either piss off the other people or security.  i  told
everyone i knew to find a way to stay in the pit (never leave the pit or  you
might not get back in) but to hang back until a&e came out.  i  assured them
that we would be up at the stage when the show started.  (as i  said before, i
had 7 of the 13 frc seats.  having gotten burned at the  onsale, i made it my
mission in life, and my good ticket karma was  rewarded.)

a&e came out.  those of us frc rushed the stage.  people fell  in behind us
almost immediately.  a&e were stoked.  denver is a  great market for them.  it
was a happy, happy night.

in addition to those of us with front tix, a bunch of people i love made it
up front.  my friend dave, who i met after ig botanic gardens in 2001, made
it to the stage.  my friend michele, who i first met at ig red rocks in  1994,
made it to the front of the stage.  our friend laura, who i  introduced to ig,
taking her to the berkeley greek in 2002, made it to the front  of the stage.
marci from this list, along with her adorable kids made it  up there.
(right where you belong, girlfriend!)  some denver regulars  made it up there.  ah,
the joy of a friendly, dancing, singing ig  crowd.  i love using the power of
the front row ticket to spread good in  the world.  (don't flame too hard,
please.)

the show itself was good, as always, but not great.  i've come to  realize
over the years that i only seem to get a great one every third or fourth  show.
i'm always glad to be there.  it always feels good.  it's  always a good
time.  but i only get that reinforcement of so good every so  often.  largely it's
the set list, but also the intangibles.

the set list was as follows:

gone again

fill it up

devotion

po 2

joking!

it's alright

heartache

map

starkeville

woodsong

yield

love will come

shame

??  (set list says let it be me, but they didn't play that.   don't remember
what they replaced it with.  i didn't keep a list during the  show.  oh, i
know.  it was ctf with the two women from magnapop.   that was a fun little
lovefest.  tears, last night, etc.)

dq

winthrop

johnny

collecting you

chicken/bitter

mona lisas

galileo

unquestionably, for me, joking was the highlight.  ig do the  who.  :-)  it
was fun to have my who buddy lance up front for that  one.  he's seen them at
lilith (he's mostly a big venue guy), but this was  his first proper ig show.
i loved yield, as i always do.  and  winthrop was really nice.  first time
i've seen that on stage.  oh,  and love will come to you was a real treat.
overall, though, the set list  didn't do a lot for me.

before playing it's alright, it sounded as if e was introducing let it be
me.  very strange when she didn't play it.

devotion was kind of nice, but for some reason, i really wanted reunion in
that slot.

amy did a great intro for johnny.  for all the times i've heard that  song,
i've never heard such a substantial introduction.  apparently she was  really
pissed off at some guy they were working with at the time and she locked
herself in a room and came up with those lyrics.  the other half is that  it's
about one of her cats.  (she's a cat woman with 6 or 7 cats.)   this cat, johnny,
was a little terror kitty who almost drove a to valium.   soon after the song
was written, he became an outdoor cat.  but then,  she missed him terribly.

oh, and early in the night, someone requested mona lisas and mad  hatters.
they said right off that they could do that one later.   yay!  (i think it was
my first time.  maybe my second.)  also  early in the night, a whole bunch of
people got together and shouted out a  request for uncle john's band.  kind of
surreal, as i'd been talking to my  ig friend, clyde in the bay area about
that song just that morning.  he was  wondering if we'd ever hear them do it
again.  i was telling him that,  ironically, i'd been listening to workingman's
dead (the dead album with the  original studio track out of my childhood) just
that week.  they said that  they couldn't do it just the two of them, but that
it would be on the rarities  album that was coming out soon.  they also
pretty much promised to learn it  and play it when they went out with the band.
so, clyde, i'm thinking that  if the band's with them this summer, you're gonna
get your request.  good  manifesting!

some day maybe my dream of picking the set list will come true.  i so  blew
it not going on that $10 club tour in '92.

hope you've enjoyed the read.  time to get to work.

lauren

p.s.  not sure if those of you i tried to call could hear  anything.  the
signal strength in there was  poor.

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date:         fri, 1 apr 2005 09:53:00 -0800
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rif"><font face=3d"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> i forgot.when does p=
rom come out again?</font></font></p>
<p><font size=3d2 style=3d"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></font>=
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<br>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org<br>subject: amy ray downloads!<br><=
br>on amazon.com one can download mp3s of driver <br>education and covered =
for you! just search for prom. <br>i think an amazon account is required, b=
ut it's free. <br><br>i can't wait for prom... <br><br>jer <br><br>-- <br>a=
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12 april.

on apr 1, 2005 9:53 am, barb bordner <ritesofpassage04@netscape.com> wrote:
>
>
>  i forgot.when does prom come out again?
>
>
>
> barb
>
***
"i'm running to the end of the earth,
and i'm swimming to the edge of the sea,
and i'm laughing, i'm under a starry sky
this world was meant for me
don't bury me carry me..."
~~ amy ray, indigo girls

"there's a lot to be said for what's been left behind
you just dream of the ocean
waves from the aleutians crashing on the shore
and you'd dream of the maori
alive in the south sea..."
~~ nate borofsky, girlyman

http://www.indigogirls.com
http://www.girlyman.com
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date:         fri, 1 apr 2005 13:43:52 -0800
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subject:      re: st. louis show
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toye and all,

here is the set list for st. louis posted from the bbs
... i think toye had most of it on her post:

least complicated
yield
fill it up again
joking
power of two
heartache
it's alright
go
love's recovery
devotion
get out the map
faye tucker
winthrop (emily)
driver education  (amy)
let it be me
dairy queen
virgina woolf
closer to fine
chickenroot
galileo

toye wrote: there was a late 40's-50ish couple who
were pushing their way toward the front, nudging
everyone out of their way...

omg! this has to be the couple that wandered into our
seating area right after magnapop started playing and
looked around for a while at what was obviously a full
area before they decided to just stand right in front
of us and block our view. i didn't take the day off
work, drive a decent distance, wait in line outside
and then wait in the bar to get in and have a decent
seat just to have people wander in right at show time
and block my view. we moved them along, i'm just sorry
they proceeded to wander down to the pit area and bug
y'all.

other than that, the show was great. virtually no chit
chat, but a great set list and i thought the crowd was
wonderful. emily did mention that they seem to be
playing the pageant a lot, which i hope means they
like the venue and do well enough with ticket sales.

did anyone have any luck saying hello to them after
the show? i noticed the bus was parked right at the
back door.

also, i'm hoping maybe someone booted this one!

have a great weekend!
michelle

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yes, i went to novak's after the show and met someone there who had seen me at the show.  she waited by the bus and sure enough, emily came out and signed things and talked to folks.  this lady said she had broken her back.  she had a back brace on and emily signed it.  she also signed the lady's hat.  i can't remember her name at the moment.  i have never waited for them at the pageant.  used to do it all the time at the fox.  we'd sit out there and people would have guitars and we would all be singing indigo songs.  it was cool back then and the girls came over to talk a lot more frequently.

just a note...melissa ferrick will be in st. louis april 18!!

michelle pennington <igmp70@yahoo.com> wrote:
toye and all,

here omg! this has to be the couple that wandered into our
seating area right after magnapop started playing and
looked around for a while at what was obviously a full
area before they decided to just stand right in front
of us and block our view.

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yep! april 12 happy birthday to me! (oh, yeah, and to amy, too)

on fri, 1 apr 2005, spike wrote:

> 12 april.
>
> on apr 1, 2005 9:53 am, barb bordner <ritesofpassage04@netscape.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  i forgot.when does prom come out again?
> >

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<html><body><p><font size=3d2 style=3d"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-se=
rif"><font face=3d"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">oh....thanks for the info.=
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amy ray downloads!<br><br>12 april. <br><br>on apr 1, 2005 9:53 am, barb bo=
rdner <ritesofpassage04@netscape.com> wrote: <br>> <br>> <br>&g=
t; i forgot.when does prom come out again? <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>&=
gt; barb <br>> <br>*** <br>"i'm running to the end of the earth, <br>and=
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~~ amy ray, indigo girls <br><br>"there's a lot to be said for what's been =
left behind <br>you just dream of the ocean <br>waves from the aleutians cr=
ashing on the shore <br>and you'd dream of the maori <br>alive in the south=
sea..." <br>~~ nate borofsky, girlyman <br><br>http://www.indigogirls.com =
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at 07:34 pm 4/1/2005, bonster wrote:
>yep! april 12 happy birthday to me! (oh, yeah, and to amy, too)
and my sister - born the same year even...as amy...

mike r

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i think melissa ferrick is fabulous.  she's one of my two favorite
"undiscovereds."  go see her if you have the chance.  unfortunately,  however, her
former drummer, brian winton, is no longer touring with her.   he was fucking
fantastic.  (the new drummer i saw her with last year was  good, but not nearly as
good as brian.)

lauren

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date:         sat, 2 apr 2005 13:05:04 -0500
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i've been meaning to say goodbye for some time and this seems like it.  t=
he email address to the list is pretty much the same as when i signed up =
but the place is very, very different.

yes, i ordered prom and i will continue to follow the indigo girls. nothi=
ng and nobody could end that.

so i'll take my 10-year pin, please, and leave by the side door. it has b=
een a long, strange trip. =20

i love you all (except maybe rick on a bad day or all those peeps who sti=
ffed me for boots (you-know-who-you-are :)...or, oh, get over it, hunter =
=3d:)

jude :)get more from the web.  free msn explorer download : http://explor=
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date:         sat, 2 apr 2005 11:53:23 -0800
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of course, anyone with real class would simply slip out the side door
during a busy moment, confident that their presence won't be missed in
the hubbub.  announcing one's impending absence, and lobbing a grenade
through the door on your way out, is pretty puerile.

just my $.02.

graham

on apr 2, 2005, at 10:05 am, jude hunter wrote:

> i've been meaning to say goodbye for some time and this seems like it.
>  the email address to the list is pretty much the same as when i
> signed up but the place is very, very different.
>
> yes, i ordered prom and i will continue to follow the indigo girls.
> nothing and nobody could end that.
>
> so i'll take my 10-year pin, please, and leave by the side door. it
> has been a long, strange trip.
>
> i love you all (except maybe rick on a bad day or all those peeps who
> stiffed me for boots (you-know-who-you-are :)...or, oh, get over it,
> hunter =:)

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i'm not so sure why you had such a strong reaction to jude's post. =
"lobbing
a grenade"? hmmmm....

besides, unlike a house party, mailing lists don't exactly allow one to
peruse the room and ask, 'hey, did jude leave already?' unless you know =
how
to query the list for subscribers, you're in the dark as to who is still
here and who isn't.

besides, she's right. this is a different place now. the sense of =
community
is not what it used to be. i'm not sure if that was what jude was =
getting
at, but i sense it. i don't think that has much to do with the remaining
list members as it does with way communication on the web has changed =
during
this list's life.

overreactions, however, seem to be the one perpetual constant :)

deb

> -----original message-----
> from: indigo girls mailing list =
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> on behalf of graham ames
> sent: saturday, april 02, 2005 1:53 pm
> to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
> subject: re: bye
>=20
> of course, anyone with real class would simply slip out the side door
> during a busy moment, confident that their presence won't be missed in
> the hubbub.  announcing one's impending absence, and lobbing a grenade
> through the door on your way out, is pretty puerile.
>=20
> just my $.02.
>=20
> graham
>=20
> on apr 2, 2005, at 10:05 am, jude hunter wrote:
>=20
> > i've been meaning to say goodbye for some time and this seems like =
it.
> >  the email address to the list is pretty much the same as when i
> > signed up but the place is very, very different.
> >
> > yes, i ordered prom and i will continue to follow the indigo girls.
> > nothing and nobody could end that.
> >
> > so i'll take my 10-year pin, please, and leave by the side door. it
> > has been a long, strange trip.
> >
> > i love you all (except maybe rick on a bad day or all those peeps =
who
> > stiffed me for boots (you-know-who-you-are :)...or, oh, get over it,
> > hunter =3d:)
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<html><body><p><font size=3d2 style=3d"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-se=
rif">i still like being on the list....but i miss the constant discussion t=
hat went on and on when i first joined.....now....it's gotten so quiet that=
it's almost no-use checking my email when i'm borred, because there's hard=
ly anything there.....i guess everyone's all going over to the ig bbs,and t=
he vortex now, huh? i wish there was something we could do to liven things =
up and get more people</font><font size=3d2 style=3d"font-family: arial,hel=
vetica,sans-serif"> back.<br></font></p>
<p><font size=3d2 style=3d"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif">barb</f=
ont></p>
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dreiser <moondust@gate.net> wrote:<br><br>from: dreiser <moondust=
@gate.net><br>date: sat, 2 apr 2005 16:19:13 -0600<br>to: indigo-girls@l=
ists.netspace.org<br>subject: re: bye<br><br>i'm not so sure why you had su=
ch a strong reaction to jude's post. "lobbing <br>a grenade"? hmmmm.... <br=
><br>besides, unlike a house party, mailing lists don't exactly allow one t=
o <br>peruse the room and ask, 'hey, did jude leave already?' unless you kn=
ow how <br>to query the list for subscribers, you're in the dark as to who =
is still <br>here and who isn't. <br><br>besides, she's right. this is a di=
fferent place now. the sense of community <br>is not what it used to be. i'=
m not sure if that was what jude was getting <br>at, but i sense it. i don'=
t think that has much to do with the remaining <br>list members as it does =
with way communication on the web has changed during <br>this list's life. =
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r><br>deb <br><br>> -----original message----- <br>> from: indigo gir=
ls mailing list [mailto:indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org] <br>> on behalf=
of graham ames <br>> sent: saturday, april 02, 2005 1:53 pm <br>> to=
: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org <br>> subject: re: bye <br>> <br>&g=
t; of course, anyone with real class would simply slip out the side door <b=
r>> during a busy moment, confident that their presence won't be missed =
in <br>> the hubbub. announcing one's impending absence, and lobbing a g=
renade <br>> through the door on your way out, is pretty puerile. <br>&g=
t; <br>> just my $.02. <br>> <br>> graham <br>> <br>> on apr=
2, 2005, at 10:05 am, jude hunter wrote: <br>> <br>> > i've been =
meaning to say goodbye for some time and this seems like it. <br>> > =
the email address to the list is pretty much the same as when i <br>> &g=
t; signed up but the place is very, very different. <br>> > <br>> =
> yes, i ordered prom and i will continue to follow the indigo girls. <b=
r>> > nothing and nobody could end that. <br>> > <br>> > =
so i'll take my 10-year pin, please, and leave by the side door. it <br>>=
; > has been a long, strange trip. <br>> > <br>> > i love yo=
u all (except maybe rick on a bad day or all those peeps who <br>> > =
stiffed me for boots (you-know-who-you-are :)...or, oh, get over it, <br>&g=
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personally, i prefer the list to the bbs.  everyone on
the bbs seems to be more concerned with how tight
amy's jeans were than what songs were played at a
show.

jer

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found this on the ak press website -
the latest from the crimethinc 'stable' - this critically acclaimed short
is inspired by the book days of war nights of love chapter, 'l is for
love'. the film narrates the chapter (courtesy amy ray of the indigo girls)
and tells the story of two couples: one that followed the path most likely
to please society, and the other too passionate about life to care what
anyone thinks. music by radiohead and speedy voodoo.


anyone get this yet?????

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<html><div style='background-color:'><p>you can download it off the daemon site.</p>
<p>peace,</p>
<p>j<br><br></p><br><br><br>
<div> </div>>from: mike reynolds <mike@uppity-disability.net> >reply-to: mike reynolds <mike@uppity-disability.net> >to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org >subject: join the resistance - fall in love - the amy ray dvd >date: sun, 3 apr 2005 13:44:58 -0400 > >found this on the ak press website - >the latest from the crimethinc 'stable' - this critically acclaimed >short >is inspired by the book days of war nights of love chapter, 'l is >for >love'. the film narrates the chapter (courtesy amy ray of the indigo >girls) >and tells the story of two couples: one that followed the path most >likely >to please society, and the other too passionate about life to care >what >anyone thinks. music by radiohead and speedy voodoo. > > >anyone get this yet????? > >-- >do not quote other peoples' entire messages when
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yeah, the list is pretty quiet. one thing that would be nice is if we could
get a set list posted here for each show. i know i record the set list to
every ig and tori show i go to. of course, i'm somewhat compulsive.

tom m.

"can you mr. bush light the sage"
--- tori amos, "indian summer"

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>date: sat, 2 apr 2005 19:26:38 -0800
>
>personally, i prefer the list to the bbs.  everyone on
>the bbs seems to be more concerned with how tight
>amy's jeans were than what songs were played at a
>show.
>
>jer
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do the indigo girls do covers?  if so, what have they done, and which do =
you like best?

edward.

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here's a list of the covers they've done:
http://www.lifeblood.net/songs/covers.html

my personal faves would be:
wild horses
summertime
down by the river
melissa


kathrin


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> do the indigo girls do covers?  if so, what have they done, and which
> do you like best?
>
> edward.

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hey all,

just flicked the telly over and heard "closer to fine" being played on that
show cold case!  it's being played when it goes to flashbacks.  sorry if
this has been mentioned before but it was v exciting for me!   i don't watch
cold case so i don't know what season its from.

cheers,
annie

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there might be a nice compilation lurking in here.  maybe we should put =
one together?

i don't mind doing some organisation and cd burning, but i don't =
actually have many of these (hence the question). =20

edward.

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here's a list of the covers they've done:
http://www.lifeblood.net/songs/covers.html

my personal faves would be:
wild horses
summertime
down by the river
melissa


kathrin


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> do the indigo girls do covers?  if so, what have they done, and which
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that was the episode "maternal instincts" from season one

actually, that show often has an interesting soundtrack

they've had everything from dave matthews band, jackson browne,
ella fitzgerald, paul simon, johnny cash to peter gabriel, bruce
springsteen and ccr playing in the background of flashbacks

kathrin

on 4 apr 2005 at 22:04, a maynes wrote:

> hey all,
>
> just flicked the telly over and heard "closer to fine" being played on
> that show cold case!  it's being played when it goes to flashbacks.
> sorry if this has been mentioned before but it was v exciting for me!
>  i don't watch cold case so i don't know what season its from.
>
> cheers,
> annie
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   i also have been into melissa ferrick. her music is awesome. and her on
stage performance is great. she tunes her own guitar and changes her own strings
in a matter of minutes. i have been to see her four times in the past few
months and plan to see her also again in may.
also chris pureka is a new one that i have discovered. if anyone gets a
chance check her out. chrispureka.com.
--ang

i think melissa ferrick is fabulous.  she's one of my two favorite
"undiscovereds."  go see her if you have the chance.  unfortunately,
however, her
former drummer, brian winton, is no longer touring with her.   he was fucking
fantastic.  (the new drummer i saw her with last year was  good, but not
nearly as
good as brian.)

lauren

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chris pureka kicks ass!  i highly recommend listening.
she is one of the more recent singer/songwriters that
i have learned about that i just fell in love with.
before i got her cd, i only had 3 mp3s to listen to,
and i would just listen to them over and over and over
again.

my current addiction is girlyman.  if you have not
heard their music you should go right now and get
there cd.  it is fan-freakin-tastic!  the harmonies
are superb, the song writing is incredible, and they
are 3 of the nicest people i have ever had the
opportunity to meet.

i used to be a huge ferrick fan, but i think it just
wore off for me...i went to see her last year, and was
really not impressed, plus i felt that she has gotten
a little to big for her britches...i used to see her
years ago when she was still approachable.  i honestly
feel that amy and emily are more approachable than
ferrick, and they have been around a lot longer.

cheers,
    carrie
--- angie rowan <ferrick71@aol.com> wrote:
>    i also have been into melissa ferrick. her music
> is awesome. and her on
> stage performance is great. she tunes her own guitar
> and changes her own strings
> in a matter of minutes. i have been to see her four
> times in the past few
> months and plan to see her also again in may.
>  also chris pureka is a new one that i have
> discovered. if anyone gets a
> chance check her out. chrispureka.com.
> --ang
>
>
>
> i think melissa ferrick is fabulous.  she's one of
> my two favorite
> "undiscovereds."  go see her if you have the chance.
>  unfortunately,
> however, her
> former drummer, brian winton, is no longer touring
> with her.   he was fucking
> fantastic.  (the new drummer i saw her with last
> year was  good, but not
> nearly as
> good as brian.)
>
> lauren
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date:         tue, 5 apr 2005 09:58:48 -0400
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i think this is a great idea, is anyone interested? i only have two boots to
my name, and no covers, but i would help in anyway i can. maybe it will help
bring people out of the woodwork a little and get that sense of community
back. it may even get lurkers like me to talk more - who knows! anything is
possible!
kellie

>from: edward hibbert <edward.hibbert@dataconnection.com>
>reply-to: edward hibbert <edward.hibbert@dataconnection.com>
>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
>subject: re: covers
>date: mon, 4 apr 2005 13:17:13 +0100
>
>there might be a nice compilation lurking in here.  maybe we should put one
>together?
>
>i don't mind doing some organisation and cd burning, but i don't actually
>have many of these (hence the question).
>
>edward.
>
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>[mailto:indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org]on behalf of kathrin siegmund
>sent: 04 april 2005 08:33
>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
>subject: re: covers
>
>
>here's a list of the covers they've done:
>http://www.lifeblood.net/songs/covers.html
>
>my personal faves would be:
>wild horses
>summertime
>down by the river
>melissa
>
>
>kathrin
>
>
>on 4 apr 2005 at 8:19, edward hibbert wrote:
>
> > do the indigo girls do covers?  if so, what have they done, and which
> > do you like best?
> >
> > edward.
>
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ok, you saw through my plan :-). =20

i have a number of boots, but i'll need to check what covers are on =
there.  that one with michael stipe on it, that might have a few.

one option would be for people to mail me mp3/wav/flac/whatever, and =
then i can sift through and try to come up with a cd's worth.  though =
superficially that just looks like an easy way for me to assemble lots =
of rare tracks under the guise of a public service...

edward.

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sent: 05 april 2005 14:59
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subject: re: covers


i think this is a great idea, is anyone interested? i only have two =
boots to
my name, and no covers, but i would help in anyway i can. maybe it will =
help
bring people out of the woodwork a little and get that sense of =
community
back. it may even get lurkers like me to talk more - who knows! anything =
is
possible!
kellie

>from: edward hibbert <edward.hibbert@dataconnection.com>
>reply-to: edward hibbert <edward.hibbert@dataconnection.com>
>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
>subject: re: covers
>date: mon, 4 apr 2005 13:17:13 +0100
>
>there might be a nice compilation lurking in here.  maybe we should put =
one
>together?
>
>i don't mind doing some organisation and cd burning, but i don't =
actually
>have many of these (hence the question).
>
>edward.
>
>-----original message-----
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>[mailto:indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org]on behalf of kathrin siegmund
>sent: 04 april 2005 08:33
>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
>subject: re: covers
>
>
>here's a list of the covers they've done:
>http://www.lifeblood.net/songs/covers.html
>
>my personal faves would be:
>wild horses
>summertime
>down by the river
>melissa
>
>
>kathrin
>
>
>on 4 apr 2005 at 8:19, edward hibbert wrote:
>
> > do the indigo girls do covers?  if so, what have they done, and =
which
> > do you like best?
> >
> > edward.
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three things about this i don't understand.

1) how could one sit at a ferrick show and not be impressed?  in my mind, not possible!
2) melissa unapproachable???
3) ig has been around longer?

1) i guess one could be "not impressed" for many different reasons.  i can't see being unimpressed with melissa's stage presence, singing, guitar playing.  i could see being unimpressed with the venue, the crowd's reaction, etc.  ferrick and emily are my two favorite womyn guitarists.  which one is better?  that is hard to say because their styles vary a lot.  i think by pure skill and for my own personal preference, i would have to give the edge to ferrick.  i'm not taking anything away from emily.  she is absolutely fantastic!

2) no way are amy and emily more approachable than ferrick.  you can sit close enough at a ferrick show to be sprayed with ferrick sweat (if you so desire) and at the same time actually talk with her between songs!  i never wait outside in the cold/rain/heat just hoping for a glimpse of melissa.  she always chats with me before the shows, during, and after, she has never spent less than an hour with me.  i have yet to see amy or emily do anything of the kind.

3) ig have been around longer?  if you mean literally, i would have to agree...emily and amy being born in 1963 and 1964, respectively, and melissa being born in 1970--yes the girls do have a jump on her.  musically, however, hmmmm...just going by when they released their first albums, not that much different.  ig was released in 1989.  ferrick's first, massive blur was released in 1993.  when speaking of longevitiy in the world of musical performers, four years' difference is not a lot.

before i am bombarded with flames, i am not dissing ig by any means.  i have been an ig fan since...well...when god was a boy!  anyway, a very long time.  only after i saw melissa perform and met her, corresponded with her, and really listened to some of the things she has said/written to me, did she replace ig as #1 with me.  and i must say, ig runs a very close second.  i think they are still down to earth, but their shows are 100s bigger than melissa's so of course it is impractical for them to talk with everyone informally and individually like melissa (which is a shame).  but that is the price of fame!


my 2 cents,

toye

carrie knepp <indigocaz@yahoo.com> wrote:

i used to be a huge ferrick fan...i went to see her last year, and was
really not impressed, plus i felt that she has gotten
a little to big for her britches...i used to see her
years ago when she was still approachable. i honestly
feel that amy and emily are more approachable than
ferrick, and they have been around a lot longer.

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i feel as though i may need to add some clarification
to my thoughts...

1) how could one sit at a ferrick show and not be
impressed?  in my mind, not possible!

      i never said ferrick wasn't talented...i
actually quite enjoy her music...

2) melissa unapproachable???

     i have seen ferrick completely dismiss fans,
including a fellow performer, i have seen her "scold"
the audience, and the last show i went to, she didn't
even bother coming out to sign autographs after the
show...

3) ig has been around longer?
     i personally think that those 4 years do make a
difference, and i also personally believe that the
ig's music will endure a lot longer.

4) audiences were mentioned:
     no offense to anyone here, but i have to say that
ferrick's audience is the #1 reason why i don't go to
her shows anymore.  same with a band called antigone
rising.  and the same why i don't go to ga ani
difranco shows.  i used to see both ferrick and ar
back in the day when you could get to the venue and
not be shoved, stepped on, verbally assaulted, should
i go on?

--- toye gillman <toye77@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> three things about this i don't understand.
>
> 1) how could one sit at a ferrick show and not be
> impressed?  in my mind, not possible!
> 2) melissa unapproachable???
> 3) ig has been around longer?
>
> 1) i guess one could be "not impressed" for many
> different reasons.  i can't see being unimpressed
> with melissa's stage presence, singing, guitar
> playing.  i could see being unimpressed with the
> venue, the crowd's reaction, etc.  ferrick and emily
> are my two favorite womyn guitarists.  which one is
> better?  that is hard to say because their styles
> vary a lot.  i think by pure skill and for my own
> personal preference, i would have to give the edge
> to ferrick.  i'm not taking anything away from
> emily.  she is absolutely fantastic!
>
> 2) no way are amy and emily more approachable than
> ferrick.  you can sit close enough at a ferrick show
> to be sprayed with ferrick sweat (if you so desire)
> and at the same time actually talk with her between
> songs!  i never wait outside in the cold/rain/heat
> just hoping for a glimpse of melissa.  she always
> chats with me before the shows, during, and after,
> she has never spent less than an hour with me.  i
> have yet to see amy or emily do anything of the
> kind.
>
> 3) ig have been around longer?  if you mean
> literally, i would have to agree...emily and amy
> being born in 1963 and 1964, respectively, and
> melissa being born in 1970--yes the girls do have a
> jump on her.  musically, however, hmmmm...just going
> by when they released their first albums, not that
> much different.  ig was released in 1989.  ferrick's
> first, massive blur was released in 1993.  when
> speaking of longevitiy in the world of musical
> performers, four years' difference is not a lot.
>
> before i am bombarded with flames, i am not dissing
> ig by any means.  i have been an ig fan
> since...well...when god was a boy!  anyway, a very
> long time.  only after i saw melissa perform and met
> her, corresponded with her, and really listened to
> some of the things she has said/written to me, did
> she replace ig as #1 with me.  and i must say, ig
> runs a very close second.  i think they are still
> down to earth, but their shows are 100s bigger than
> melissa's so of course it is impractical for them to
> talk with everyone informally and individually like
> melissa (which is a shame).  but that is the price
> of fame!
>
>
> my 2 cents,
>
> toye
>
> carrie knepp <indigocaz@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> i used to be a huge ferrick fan...i went to see her
> last year, and was
> really not impressed, plus i felt that she has
> gotten
> a little to big for her britches...i used to see her
> years ago when she was still approachable. i
> honestly
> feel that amy and emily are more approachable than
> ferrick, and they have been around a lot longer.
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i really must agree with you on the audience at ferrick's shows, although i had a problem last week at ig with the crowd.  i think the difference is that almost all of ferrick's shows are in bars.  i could never understand how folks could go and spend good money to hear a show and then sit/stand there and yak during the performance.  it is rude at best and certainly annoying to those around them.

i have also heard of ferrick leaving without coming out, but have never personally experienced it.  even when she was very ill, she still performed and hung out way too long for her own health after the show.  she had actually gone the the er in st. louis with difficulty breathing/high fever.  you couldn't tell by her performance or the way she was witht the fans after the show.  no one is perfect, but overall i do think ferrick gives her fans more for the $$.  i can only use my own experience to judge and ferrick has never been rude or dismissed any fan (even those who rudely talked loudly during her show).

i waited for over an hour once in st. louis at the fox for amy and emily.  a croud was waiting by the tour bus.  imagine our surprise when a minivan sped by honking with amy and emily waving out the window and laughing.  they had come out a different exit and secretly got into a minivan so they wouldn't have to see the fans.  disappointing for sure...

as to whose music will endure longer, time will tell.  but i do love both ig and ferrick!!

toye

carrie knepp <indigocaz@yahoo.com> wrote:

i feel as though i may need to add some clarification
to my thoughts...

i never said ferrick wasn't talented...i
actually quite enjoy her music...

i have seen ferrick completely dismiss fans,
including a fellow performer

i personally think that those 4 years do make a
difference, and i also personally believe that the
ig's music will endure a lot longer.

4) audiences were mentioned:
no offense to anyone here, but i have to say that
ferrick's audience is the #1 reason why i don't go to
her shows anymore.

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i've been on this list since sept 1990 and i have seen this complaint many=

times, that they come out and don't interact with fans after every show=2e=
=20
i've seen just about as many posts about when they *do* stop and talk with=

fans=2e

i know i've been disappointed when i go to a show, not just ig but many
others, and there is no opportunity to interact with the performer=2e  but=
i
don't think that amy and emily are simply blowing people off=2e  toye, i'm=

using your words as a jumping off point - you mention that they were
laughing as they drove away=2e  how do you know someone didnt jsut tell a
joke?  it seems cynical to assume they were laughing at the fans like they=

were some fools or something=2e  how big was the crowd that was waiting?  =
if
it's 20 people, that could easily be another half hour or more before they=

can get going=2e  was it cold?  damp?  not a good environment for a
professional singer to be out in?

there could be so many reasons why any performer doesnt stop and talk with=

people after a show=2e  shows don't start and end with stage time=2e  ofte=
n a
performer will be at a venue for hours (especially larger shows) for
soundcheck, dinner, perhaps meetings with industry people=2e  after a show=
,
there may be more meet and greets backstage=2e  with the energy used on
stage, it makes for a very long day=2e =20

i used to go to xena conventions, and on one list i was on, someone tried
to come up with a way for one of the show leads to be available to meet th=
e
fans=2e  "but we only want a minute!"=2e  sure, one person wants a minute,=
but
add up the number of people someone interacts with all day and that's a lo=
t
of people and a lot of minutes - a whole lotta being "on"=2e

i think it's great when a performer is able to interact after a show (or
even before, in some cases) but we don't know what has transpired in their=

whole day, how they are feeling, etc=2e  some have a long drive to their n=
ext
tour stop and they just want to get going=2e  perhaps we can cut them a bi=
t
of slack?

amy p=2e

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from: toye gillman toye77@sbcglobal=2enet
date: tue, 5 apr 2005 08:47:56 -0700
to: indigo-girls@lists=2enetspace=2eorg
subject: re: melissa ferrick

i waited for over an hour once in st=2e louis at the fox for amy and emily=
=2e=20
a croud was waiting by the tour bus=2e  imagine our surprise when a miniva=
n
sped by honking with amy and emily waving out the window and laughing=2e=20=

they had come out a different exit and secretly got into a minivan so they=

wouldn't have to see the fans=2e  disappointing for sure=2e=2e=2e

toye

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agreed regarding too big for her britches. i hate ferrick like the plague. self-indulgent, lacking finesse, blah.

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subject: re: melissa ferrick


chris pureka kicks ass!  i highly recommend listening.
she is one of the more recent singer/songwriters that
i have learned about that i just fell in love with.
before i got her cd, i only had 3 mp3s to listen to,
and i would just listen to them over and over and over
again.

my current addiction is girlyman.  if you have not
heard their music you should go right now and get
there cd.  it is fan-freakin-tastic!  the harmonies
are superb, the song writing is incredible, and they
are 3 of the nicest people i have ever had the
opportunity to meet.

i used to be a huge ferrick fan, but i think it just
wore off for me...i went to see her last year, and was
really not impressed, plus i felt that she has gotten
a little to big for her britches...i used to see her
years ago when she was still approachable.  i honestly
feel that amy and emily are more approachable than
ferrick, and they have been around a lot longer.

cheers,
    carrie
--- angie rowan <ferrick71@aol.com> wrote:
>    i also have been into melissa ferrick. her music
> is awesome. and her on
> stage performance is great. she tunes her own guitar
> and changes her own strings
> in a matter of minutes. i have been to see her four
> times in the past few
> months and plan to see her also again in may.
>  also chris pureka is a new one that i have
> discovered. if anyone gets a
> chance check her out. chrispureka.com.
> --ang
>
>
>
> i think melissa ferrick is fabulous.  she's one of
> my two favorite
> "undiscovereds."  go see her if you have the chance.
>  unfortunately,
> however, her
> former drummer, brian winton, is no longer touring
> with her.   he was fucking
> fantastic.  (the new drummer i saw her with last
> year was  good, but not
> nearly as
> good as brian.)
>
> lauren
>
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hey-
anyone else see the review and the photo(!!!!!!!!!!!!) for prom? good review, hot photo, nice to know amy still has her beatles jacket circa rites of passage era. i have some extra copies if anyone is interested in a trade.

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date:         tue, 5 apr 2005 12:45:45 -0700
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please don't take this the wrong way.  i'm not berating ig for not chatting.  i'm simply noting one time that i saw a & e leave intentionally to get away from the crowd.  there are other times that i've waited and talked with emily or got a wave from amy.  i think the girls are wonderful.  i truly think they are good people who do care about the fans.  more than citing deficiencies in ig, i was taking up for my girl, melissa ferrick.

i know that they aren't immortal beings--they are only human, and like other humans, they have bad days, off days, personal problems to deal with, and this is their job.  some days you want to be there--others...not so much.  whether the girls (or melissa ferrick for that matter) ever stop to chat again, i will still go to the shows, buy their cds, and support their music...cuz that's the kind of guy i am!! hahaha.  (no i'm not a guy)

amy, to answer your questions...

1)  the weather was beautiful that night (i've seen a lot worse weather when ig did stop to talk)

2)  i'm going by memory, and this was quite a while ago, but i recall there being about 25-30 fans waiting.

3)  i know the girls weren't laughing at a joke as they had their faces pressed up against the window, knocking on the window, waving at us and laughing as the van sped away.

i did not mean to imply that they were laughing at the fans.  they were simply laughing.  i did not take offense to it in any way.  they are free americans, and whether they stop to talk or not is completely up to them--their choice--no one else's.  we pay $$ to hear the music, and neither ig nor ferrick has ever disappointed me in that way; therefore, whether i get personal interaction or not, i got what i paid for and obviously thought it to be worth it or i wouldn't have bought the tickets.  no one knows whether they had an all-night drive, a previous engagement, or any speculation of the reason they left.

just a thought...i know if a crowd had paid $$, driven for miles, and waited in the cold to see me, i'd be damn tickled--and i'd probably laugh because it made me happy!  and i do know the girls are still tickled by the fans.  that is obvious when you watch how they react when the entire audience knows and sings every word to their songs.  even after all these years, they are still having fun.

to be clear and concise, i love ig and i love ferrick!!!  they are the best musicians on the face of the earth (imho)

toye

"photomonk@earthlink.net" <photomonk@earthlink.net> wrote:

and i have seen this complaint many times, that they come out and don't interact with fans after every show. but i don't think that amy and emily are simply blowing people off.

you mention that they were laughing as they drove away. how do you know someone didnt jsut tell a joke? it seems cynical to assume they were laughing at the fans like they were some fools or something.

how big was the crowd that was waiting? if it's 20 people, that could easily be another half hour or more before they can get going. was it cold? damp? not a good environment for a professional singer to be out in?

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what do you mean by "too big for her britches?"  please give me an example as i've only seen melissa as a humble, caring person...what did she do that was offensive to you?

"<sarah t. rosenblum>" <rainnriver@aol.com> wrote:agreed regarding too big for her britches. i hate ferrick like the plague. self-indulgent, lacking finesse, blah.

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chris pureka kicks ass! i highly recommend listening.
she is one of the more recent singer/songwriters that
i have learned about that i just fell in love with.
before i got her cd, i only had 3 mp3s to listen to,
and i would just listen to them over and over and over
again.

my current addiction is girlyman. if you have not
heard their music you should go right now and get
there cd. it is fan-freakin-tastic! the harmonies
are superb, the song writing is incredible, and they
are 3 of the nicest people i have ever had the
opportunity to meet.

i used to be a huge ferrick fan, but i think it just
wore off for me...i went to see her last year, and was
really not impressed, plus i felt that she has gotten
a little to big for her britches...i used to see her
years ago when she was still approachable. i honestly
feel that amy and emily are more approachable than
ferrick, and they have been around a lot longer.

cheers,
carrie
--- angie rowan wrote:
> i also have been into melissa ferrick. her music
> is awesome. and her on
> stage performance is great. she tunes her own guitar
> and changes her own strings
> in a matter of minutes. i have been to see her four
> times in the past few
> months and plan to see her also again in may.
> also chris pureka is a new one that i have
> discovered. if anyone gets a
> chance check her out. chrispureka.com.
> --ang
>
>
>
> i think melissa ferrick is fabulous. she's one of
> my two favorite
> "undiscovereds." go see her if you have the chance.
> unfortunately,
> however, her
> former drummer, brian winton, is no longer touring
> with her. he was fucking
> fantastic. (the new drummer i saw her with last
> year was good, but not
> nearly as
> good as brian.)
>
> lauren
>
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oh stop being so damn nice, toye. i was really rooting for a good flame war,
its just what this list needs!  :-)

i've been to the boards (bbs) and i'm simply to lazy to check them with any
frequency. this list just pops up with my other email and i really enjoy
reading others pov of all things indigo and not. this list has changed
because we are all to darn busy these days. i haven't _even_ posted here
about meeting amy 2 weeks ago and that she signed my shirt and  i actually
got to introduce her to jordan (my son, she signed his shirt too) took her
picture with another fan, and got to even converse with her. the concert was
one of the best i'd ever seen, girylman was great and they end with
finlandia, i song i knew existed but had never heard before.

i'm as guilty as most of other lurkers here. people on the indigo bbs seem
to all relate as friends/family and most people who are regulars who spend a
ton of time on their computers which helps build that intimacy. putting
thoughts down is difficult for me and very time consuming , its so much
easier to just sit back and read. i promise to try to do my part and post
stuff as the spirit moves me and hope i'll get to meet some of you someday.
anybody got tickets for amy's solo stop in philly on april 15th? i'll be
there and if anyone else is i hope you'll speak up so maybe we can chat
before the show.

just another lazy ig fan,
lynne

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ok.  long time list member here (last post date....._  years ago (oh, the
guilt!)
  couple of comments:
i just saw melissa f at the independent in sf last thurs  nite.  she was
amazing and i love seeing her in the small bar  atmosphere.  didn't get to talk to
her after the show, but hey, it was a  work night and some of us had to be up
at 4:30am!  ( :  i think she is  amazing on stage and what a guitar player!

do i miss ye ole list?
yes!
what has happened?...here's my thoughts;
many of us on this list became members in the  mid to late 90's (as i did),
so maybe we are, as a general population, a tad  older than the folks on the
bbs. (?)  i know from my own experiences on  looking around on the bbs, a lot of
things they would be discussing would be,  imo, "been there, done that"
topics.  and in some ways, i feel like i've  outgrown a lot of that chit chat on
the girls.  but i still love em with  all my heart~
  and as lynne stated, maybe it's that we've all  gotten a lot busier.  i
know i have.

what does everyone else think?  is age a factor on  this list vs. the bbs?
are we busier?
hmmmmm...... jenn in  sf

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i realized it's really lame to offer the mag for a trade--i got them for free so what am i thinking? anyway, i think i have about six left and if i have not responded to you directly i will do so tomorrow. i'm going to ask that if you have not heard back from me, you resend requesting a copy, and letting me know if you want the whole mag or just the page with the amy article and photo, and in the meantime i'm going to figure out how much postage would be for the magazine.
thanks,
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jen- your point on age rings true for me. i'm 46 & got my first computer in
the days of windows95. i don't really have much experience or comfort level
posting to a bbs. the audiences, however are full of people my age but there
is also a nice mix of teens and college age fans. i asked one of the fans
why she couldn't travel to see amy in philly since she came to nj to see the
girls and she said "i can't, you have to be 21 to get in and i'm only 17"
since the venue is a bar. i think its great that ig continues to attract
young fans. i know i've done my part adding to their fan base, jordan who
knows the lyrics to every ig song is 15.

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hello intimate strangers,

now, who has that t-shirt?  back in the days of indigo-girls@netspace.org,
the late nineties when i discovered the indigo girls because of a mix tape a
girl made for my brother's friend.  the miracle of fate and coincidence.  i
was attracted most to their lyrics, then their harmonies, then all of it.
it was as if i became a teenager again, had shafted the decade i lived
before, and had posters up on my wall; one that was 16" by 20" of amy and
emily at the suffragette sessions in chicago.

i smile because jude has been such a trooper in making people endless
amounts of tapes and cd's for trading and newbies.  i will miss her presence
on this list, but people always end up coming and going.

lynne, can jordan already be 15?  i remember meeting you and him when he was
10, and i travelled from harrisburg to the--was it the first union venue?

and carrie knepp, she is my ig pal from pa!  i loved all these little
friendships that burst like little sunrays in my life.

two days ago,  i was done with hiking about seven miles with some of my
buddies.  we were sitting in jimmy carter's, a mexican restaurant in mission
hills, a san diego locale.  then i hear this, "baby i'm here to stop your
crying, chase all the ghosts from your head"--emily's sweet voice piped over
the cooking sounds in the kitchen; i instantly smiled, because it was like a
secret that i didn't want to share with the guys.  it was too romantic; and
i wanted to brag how i learned how to play power of two on my guitar.

of course, now that i have a cd burner, there are no trees to speak of, so
i'll volunteer to be a branch.  especially, since i have 94 blank cd-r's
waiting for pictures or music to receive.

i read the bbs when ig is touring, and yes, i have become a little more busy
than when i was in school.  but amy and emily always make me smile.  or
remember things.

diane

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>i know from my own experiences on  looking around on the bbs, a lot of
>things they would be discussing would be,  imo, "been there, done that"
>topics.

speaking as a very longtime member of this list (nearly 10 years now),
and a very active member on the bbs and indigo vortex, i can
understand why, at first glance, that could be said.  when i first
joined the bbs back in 1999, i had some of the same thoughts.  and in
some cases, i do still have some of the same thoughts with some of the
more excited younger ig fans.

but that's just a first impression.  and in 90% of the cases, i don't
think it holds true at all.  i think that a lot of the people on the
boards are longtime fans, dating way back, as well.  not everyone, but
a lot of people.  sure there are some younger fans, but whatever.  i
can't expect a 17 year old fan to have logged over 50 ig shows in
their years. ;)

i think that because this list is older, more of the people here are
from the "older wave of indigo girls fans" (and i am not talking
age-wise necessarily.  i'm 27 and i have been a hardcore fan since
1989.  my friend is 44, and she also discovered them in 1989, and is
also a hardcore, old fan).  this list can be harder to find, and it is
much easier for people to find the bbs.  i don't think our membership
is really increasing - in fcat, i'd imagine it has decreased since it
was at its height in the mid to late 90s.  a lot of older ig fans have
moved over to the bbs and indigo vortex, there are plenty of us there
as well.

anyway, what i'm saying is don't be so quick to think that the bbs is
made up of a bunch of newbies who first heard ig when "moment of
forgiveness" became a radio 'hit.'  yes, there is some of that over
there, and granted, there are plenty of very annoying people, but the
majority of the people on the bbs and indigo vortex are huge fans,
many of who date back since the 80s.

:)

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and i'm swimming to the edge of the sea,
and i'm laughing, i'm under a starry sky
this world was meant for me
don't bury me carry me..."
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you just dream of the ocean
waves from the aleutians crashing on the shore
and you'd dream of the maori
alive in the south sea..."
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<p>hey everyone, <br><br>well, i am also a long-time list member (since fal=
l of 94) and very infrequent poster. i did post pretty regularly during the=
late 90's when i was in college. before my son was born and before i began=
teaching. so, yeah, the 'way too busy' thing really applies to me as far a=
s not frequently posting anymore. i am also, obviously, older than i was th=
en. though, i'm not 'old,' i'll be 29 next month, i'm also not 16 or a fan =
of few months or years, not that that's necessarily an indication of immatu=
rity or whatever negative association. it was sad to see jude go, not that =
i really 'knew' her at all (never spoke to her or met her or even emailed h=
er), but recognize her name from over the years and see her as one of the '=
regulars' or whatever you want to call it... i actually was thinking that i=
, too, would be following jude's lead, having come to the same conclusions =
as jude that she shared in her final email. <br><br>however, this thread ha=
s piqued my interest like few topics on this list. having been on this list=
for so long and seeing the same topics repeat and cycle back again and aga=
in, this one i must say is new! melissa ferrick has certainly been mentione=
d on this list before. as i only decided to check her out (in 97) having se=
en her name pop up several times on this list. for those of you who may not=
remember me from when i did post frequently, my emails are often very long=
. (i mostly posted ig dreams and show reviews) so, here goes... <br><br>my =
two absolutely favorite artists are ig (moreso the amy part, but that's ano=
ther topic) and melissa ferrick! from 94 to 2000 i was head over heels for =
ig. they were numero uno in my book. since '01, however, melissa has taken =
that place. so, while i am not completely biased too much on one side, i, l=
ike toye, must defend melissa ferrick. and, yes, toye did take it way =
too nicely! :) though, i'm not personally offended, i'd just like to share =
my experiences. <br><br>anyway, having been a long-time fan of both artists=
(11 years for ig, 9 years for mf) and having attended 20+ shows for both a=
rtists, i must say there are good and bad things to report on both ig and m=
f audiences/"fans." toye already mentioned that most of melissa shows are i=
n bars, but i'd like to elaborate on that point.  also, the majority o=
f ig shows are in larger, more 'upscale' venues than melissa usually plays.=
for example, ig plays radio city music hall and wolftrap (in vienna, va). =
melissa hasn't seen the popularity (or whatever) to have such venues part o=
f her regular touring protocol, let alone part of her touring at all. both =
artists usually play venues where alcohol is available for purchase. howeve=
r, at an upscale venue it is more likely that it costs more, you have to tr=
avel farther to get it, the audience is seated, and not crowded around you =
in a very small, closed space. <br><br>personally, i find it remarkable tha=
t ferrick plays at bars as much as she does, let alone at all, (but i guess=
she 'has' to) being that she has had issues with alcoholism. this is publi=
c knowledge, no big secret or anything. but, as long as i've been a fan (li=
ke a said, quite a while) she's been sober and i find it to be quite impres=
sive that she is able to play in an environment where night after night she=
has to deal with people who are disruptive and disrespectful during her pe=
rformances, often due to too much alcohol. <br><br>at a melissa show, befor=
e the night is through, you'll quite possibly deal with an issue of over-ze=
alous, drunken "hotties" (or not so hotties) making a spectacle of themselv=
es as they 'reeeeealy' enjoy the show, or the 'bar-talkers' who stand at th=
e bar yakking (good word, toye) through all the quiet songs, or just rude "=
i-just-want-to-here-drive-and-i'm-just-gonna-talk-the-rest-of-the-time" sho=
w-goers. while at an ig show, it's equally as likely to have the 'non-fan-b=
ut-my-friend-drug-me-along' rude talkers, your "i-just-like-emily-sing-alon=
gs" rude talkers, your "sit-down-for-every-song-and-don't-enjoy-the-show-ho=
w-you'd-like-to" spoilers, as well as your drunk, overzealous fans and who =
knows what else. sucky 'fans' are not particular to melissa ferrick or more=
prolific, imho, just perhaps more evident or annoying because of the proxi=
mity and easier access to alcohol. i can't say, though, that i am more both=
ered at melissa shows that ig shows by 'annoying' fans. i am just bothered,=
period.  but, overall, i really think it's mostly a venue issue, thou=
gh, and not a 'fan' issue. as if the people who would like melissa are of a=
lesser caliber than those who like ig. i'm sure you didn't mean that, but,=
it really came off that way to me. being a huge fan of both artists, i am =
not an 'annoying' fan in any of those ways (i just sing along to every song=
and make angry faces at rude talkers, not perfect by any means!). <br><br>=
as far as melissa being ungrateful or rude to her fans. well, here's what i=
have to say regarding that: yes, it is an unfortunate fact that because ma=
ny of the places she plays are your smaller club/bar atmosphere, issues oft=
en arise with people talking during slow/quiet/new songs (as with ig). howe=
ver, again, i think it is more of a venue issue. being that for melissa she=
's usually in a more intimate/smaller/closed-in setting, she can really hea=
r the talking. not only is it disruptive (not to mention disrespectful) to =
her, it's also disruptive and disrespectful to those 'true' fans who came t=
o actually listen to and enjoy her performance. yes, ig has a more 'cheery'=
approach to their audience. but, in a bigger venue each individual fan bec=
omes less of an individual person than at a smaller venue.</p>
<p>also, i think she has every right to stand up for herself to not be=
disrespected and to honor those fans who do want to hear her perform and n=
ot people talking.  i'm sure that if i had to listen to peop=
le disrupting me constantly during my job (even if, to an extent, it's=
par for the course) i would be pissed having to address it over and over.&=
nbsp; heck, i teach 2nd grade, i am constantly interrupted while i try=
to do my job and get pissed at having to address it over and over.  i=
'm slightly less rude than melissa, usually.  but, i am an author=
ity figure in my case, and i am dealing with children.  but, why =
shouldn't people who are being rude and disrespectful be treated 'like chil=
dren' for disrupting what someone else paid to enjoy.   i don't k=
now, i can relate, i guess, because i am very sensitive to extraneous noise=
that is outside of what one is concentrating on. i constantly complain abo=
ut little noises that don't seem to bother others nearly as much. the sound=
of crunching chips, or anything 'crunchy' really, and gum chewing, and the=
crinkling of plastic packaging like a potato chip bag or opening a box of =
cereal, even the tv too loud really bothers me. i'm <em>really</em> sensiti=
ve to noise like noone else i know, so i don't know, maybe she is, too, and=
like me, she can't help being rude about it, because it <em>really</em> bo=
thers her.  okay, that was totally from left field.  it's too lat=
e for me and i shouldn't even be up.  so excuse me...</p>
<p>alas, i continue...  on the topic of melissa or ig being approachab=
le.  i agree with much that toye said.  in addition, i also have =
not had any negative experiences with melissa, so maybe that's why we don't=
agree about her being 'unapproacable' or callous, or whatever particular w=
ords have been used.  but, i will tell you this (which i never even sh=
ared with the ferrick list that i am also on) last year when my partner was=
in the hospital (icu) for four and a half months, i had no idea how to con=
tact ig (russell carter, sure, but that's not a&e) apart from going to =
their show.  we had tickets for a show (i've since forgotten even wher=
e) while jodie was in the icu and  i happened to be so wrapped up=
in her illness that day that i forgot the day of the concert and didn=
't even go.  however, i did go to see melissa a week prior to that and=
sent a photo backstage (could've handed it to her myself, from the front r=
ow, but opted not to, being that my son was with me, personal choice) with =
a message about her illness, our fandom, and a request if she could visit j=
odie in the hospital.  got no response from that one, but fate smiled =
on me.</p>
<p>fast forward two months, my partner, jodie's still in icu, been through =
4 surgeries at this point, and lo and behold, i hear on the local college/m=
odern rock station that melissa is in town playing a free show at a park do=
wntown.  i figure out how to get there and arrive <em>after</em> her p=
erformance, but see her standing by the merchandise table beside the stage.=
  i go up to her, introduce myself, explain about the picture from the=
last baltimore show and make the request again.  she says she thinks =
she can but has to check with her tour manager.  i give her directions=
and she gives me a time the following day.  next day, lo and behold, =
who do i escort into the icu but ms. melissa ferrick to see jodie.  it=
was weird to 'meet' her under those circumstances, but at the time i wasn'=
t really so concerned about 'meeting her,' so much as finding any way to su=
pport my partner in her struggle and to see something that resembled 'real =
life,' having been in the icu for nearly 100 days.</p>
<p>i'm not saying ig would never do such a thing (or haven't, what do i kno=
w?!, they're wonderful people, i'm not saying anything like that).  i =
just know that during that very difficult time, melissa was nothing near "u=
napproachable."  i won't dwell on the topic of who comes out=
after shows more often or stays and chats  longer, but i do know this=
: melissa drives herself in her own vehicle all over the us to every o=
ne of her shows.  she shares driving and packing up the truck wit=
h whoever's with her (drummer, manager, etc), sure.  but, i know it's =
been quite a while since a&e have done such a thing.  i'm not sayi=
ng they suck for it or anything.  i'm just pointing out that melissa h=
as that added on to her 'personal reasons' why she may or may not stop to t=
alk with fans or chat.  i know if she has a particularly long drive (t=
hat night usually, no hotel sleeping first) she will chat very briefly or n=
ot at all, then she's off driving.  usually for a&e it's being dri=
ven to the hotel, or in the bus (while they can do whatever) to the next ci=
ty/venue.  melissa has to look out for herself, i guess, moreso in tha=
t regard than a&e.  not that they don't have tons of stuff that ke=
eps them busy and tires them out.  but, melissa drives a lot, and that=
's a big deal to me.   i wouldn't say she just 'doesn't bother' c=
oming out to sign autographs when she doesn't feel like it (but i'm sure th=
ere are days when ig and melissa just 'don't feel like it,' as toye said, l=
ike anyone with any job), who knows what the issue was, maybe she had a lon=
g drive the night before, maybe a long drive that night, maybe a stomachach=
e, maybe sick, who knows!  i don't think she was just being =
a jerk.  she's just taking care of herself, like a&e do, or anyone=
has to.</p>
<p>as far as ig being around longer than melissa...  well, if you go b=
y first album releases, strange fire was actually released in '87, so that =
makes 6 years.  yeah, ig's 'been around' longer and have a larger fan =
base (hence, the bigger venues) than melissa, then again, they also have th=
e age-gap headstart.  but, whatever, they're different artists with di=
fferent music, experiences, etc.  but, the comment about ig's music en=
during longer.  well, take a look at that, what ig songs become the 'p=
opular' songs, mostly the more 'pop' ones, usually emily songs.  so do=
es emily make ig 'better' than melissa.  ??!!??!!  what i really =
like about melissa, my partner pointed out to me not too long ago, is =
that melissa (musically) is kinda like a&e rolled into one.  she h=
as elements of both that i like.  so, i guess that's now why she's my =
#1.  i'll always love ig, amy, and melissa, regardless of their fans o=
r venues, or if they seem 'bitchy' or rude.  people are people, not sa=
ints.  either musician is no 'better' than the other, or are there fan=
s.  i've been to too many shows of both artists at too many different =
places to generalize about 'all' ferrick or ig fans (though i do see some '=
trends').  sorry you seem to have had such bad experiences. =
it's not always like that bad! :(</p>
<p>melissa</p>
<p>(oh yeah, maybe that's i am biased, since we share the same name! ;=
)</p><br>
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i remember when i was thinking of unsubbing from ig because of the enormous amount of email!  remember when???

i do think age is a factor (isn't it weird how the 5 years between 35 and 40 are so much more apparent than say from 25 to 30?).  i know i have a friend who is 15 years younger than me.  she actually wanted me to just go on the road with her and follow ig around seeing the shows and trying to meet amy.  she had no job, no bills, no worries.  i had job, kids, stress, bills, etc.  how could i think about doing that??!!

i remember when i just had to have everything ig and felt i was missing out if i didn't have a certain poster or picture or other piece of memorabilia.  i think you just mature and put less emphasis on these types of things when you get a little more "seasoned."

i do miss the discussions about the songs and different speculations and interpretations of the meanings.  that really gave me a different spin on many of my thoughts about certain songs.

toye

jennifer belton <jenindgo@aol.com> wrote:
ok. long time list member here (last post date....._ years ago (oh, the
guilt!)
couple of comments:
i just saw melissa f at the independent in sf last thurs nite. she was
amazing and i love seeing her in the small bar atmosphere. didn't get to talk to
her after the show, but hey, it was a work night and some of us had to be up
at 4:30am! ( : i think she is amazing on stage and what a guitar player!

do i miss ye ole list?
yes!
what has happened?...here's my thoughts;
many of us on this list became members in the mid to late 90's (as i did),
so maybe we are, as a general population, a tad older than the folks on the
bbs. (?) i know from my own experiences on looking around on the bbs, a lot of
things they would be discussing would be, imo, "been there, done that"
topics. and in some ways, i feel like i've outgrown a lot of that chit chat on
the girls. but i still love em with all my heart~
and as lynne stated, maybe it's that we've all gotten a lot busier. i
know i have.

what does everyone else think? is age a factor on this list vs. the bbs?
are we busier?
hmmmmm...... jenn in sf

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my younger friend's 4 yo daughter, sidney always says, "play indigo gals!"  she can't pronounce the word, "girls."  it is soooo cute!

"lynne @listserve" <timlynlist@comcast.net> wrote:jen- your point on age rings true for me. i'm 46 & got my first computer in
the days of windows95. i don't really have much experience or comfort level
posting to a bbs. the audiences, however are full of people my age but there
is also a nice mix of teens and college age fans. i asked one of the fans
why she couldn't travel to see amy in philly since she came to nj to see the
girls and she said "i can't, you have to be 21 to get in and i'm only 17"
since the venue is a bar. i think its great that ig continues to attract
young fans. i know i've done my part adding to their fan base, jordan who
knows the lyrics to every ig song is 15.

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melissa, i'm sure you know from being on both lists how melissa helped my ex-partner and best friend who has terminal ms.  it is nothing short of a miracle how melissa improved her outlook, increased her will to live.  also, my friend has been sober for 11 years, and the fact that melissa is also aa is a plus to her.  melissa understands and puts subtle things in her songs about alcoholism or uses catch-phrases that are frequently used in aa.

also, about melissa packing up herself and driving...melissa, herself actually helped me load lj and her wheelchair into my suv at a show in memphis!  that's how "too big for her britches" she is!!  she also gave back our money for the show and told us we were her guests.  she gave us her broken strings, merchandise, set lists, and many, many autographs.

melissa virago <1honeybee@earthling.net> wrote:

alas, i continue...  on the topic of melissa or ig being approachable.  i agree with much that toye said.

jodie's still in icu, been through 4 surgeries at this point,

.  next day, lo and behold, who do i escort into the icu but ms. melissa ferrick to see jodie.  it was weird to 'meet' her under those circumstances, but at the time i wasn't really so concerned about 'meeting her,' so much as finding any way to support my partner in her struggle and to see something that resembled 'real life,' having been in the icu for nearly 100 days.

melissa was nothing near "unapproachable."  i won't dwell on the topic of who comes out after shows more often or stays and chats  longer, but i do know this: melissa drives herself in her own vehicle all over the us to every one of her shows.  she shares driving and packing up the truck with whoever's with her (drummer, manager, etc), sure.  but, i know it's been quite a while since a&e have done such a thing.

i know if she has a particularly long drive (that night usually, no hotel sleeping first) she will chat very briefly or not at all, then she's off driving.    but, melissa drives a lot, and that's a big deal to me.   i wouldn't say she just 'doesn't bother' coming out to sign autographs when she doesn't feel like it (but i'm sure there are days when ig and melissa just 'don't feel like it,' as toye said, like anyone with any job), who knows what the issue was, maybe she had a long drive the night before, maybe a long drive that night, maybe a stomachache, maybe sick, who knows!  i don't think she was just being a jerk.  she's just taking care of herself, like a&e do, or anyone has to.

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hey all,

can someone post a link to the bbs everyone keeps referring to? thanks.

cheers,
tom m
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quoting
"but, i know it's been quite a while since a&e have done such a thing"

umm...
no amy drives to all her solo shows, brings in her own equipment...etc...so amy will be doing it all again in about 1 week (woohoo)

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"amy ray" is not the same thing as indigo girls.  indigo girls are on a major label.  amy ray is independent; thus, has the funding that goes with that.  no roadies, techs, no fringes.  amy ray is more on the melissa ferrick plane...it's really not the same thing imo.

toye

dee yellowlees <tomboy1969@excite.com> wrote:
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"but, i know it's been quite a while since a&e have done such a thing"

umm...
no amy drives to all her solo shows, brings in her own equipment...etc...so amy will be doing it all again in about 1 week (woohoo)

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>personally, i find it remarkable that ferrick plays
> at bars as much as she does, let alone at all

yes, but she does mostly does play in bars, not sit
down venues.  bars - - - places for everyone to relax
and have a drink and unwind in ways that are
appropriate bar room behavior.  maybe it's appropriate
for me to relax with my girlfriend or friends and have
a few drinks and enjoy some conversation away from the
front stage.  maybe for you, enjoyment means getting
close enough to the stage to see if melissa has
flossed her teeth today.  whatever . . . different
things for different people.

>spectacle of themselves as they 'reeeeealy' enjoy the

>show, or the 'bar-talkers' who stand at the bar
>yakking

. . . and i  have a huge problem with those holier
than thou fans who think it is their god given duty to
"protect" melissa by being disrespectful and in some
cases, down right nasty and obnoxious to other people
there enjoying the show by giving them terrible looks
and/or saying rude things to them . . . they are so
disrespectful and will damn near threaten to kill you
with looks if you dare utter a sound.  mind your own
fuc  king business and get over it - you are at a bar
- some people just want to relax and chat with friends
while enjoying the music . . . i can't stand the
"double standard" existing among  some of the "self
appointed best fans in the world".  that double
standard being "i can sing and dance and enjoy the
show any way i want but don't you dare make a sound or
talk" . . .

please . . . get over yourselves.  don't you dare tell
me what to do.  i'm not advocating rudeness or talking
above the music or screaming and obnoxious behavior,
but don't dare tell me that i can't talk with a friend
or my girlfriend quietly down at the bar and while i'm
away from the front stage - i can't tell you the looks
that i've received from some "fans" - leave me the f
uck alone  and let me enjoy my night out by the bar -
if you want to hear the music and you get so close to
the stage that you see her arm pit stains, then go
ahead, that's your perogative, but don't interfere
with me  -  give your snotty looks to someone else .
. . . .

obnoxious ferrick fans are  the reason i won't go
frequently to see her play in bars (i will on
occasion, but prefer the sit down venue).  i do like
her music though, and stay a fan myself.

elaine

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> hey all,
>
> can someone post a link to the bbs everyone keeps referring to? thanks.

http://www.indigogirls.com/bbs/

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the most active bbs these days is probably indigovortex at
http://indigovortex.com -- most of the traffic from the official bbs
is over there now.  i think there's a little something for everyone at
that site ... if you want to ooh and ahh over amy's ass, there's
probably a thread in place for that.  if you just want tour
information, there are threads for that.  if you want to download
mp3s, buy/sell tickets, or just want to chat, there are plenty of
places to do those things as well on indigovortex.

not everyone knows or cares about so and so who is in the hospital, or
gives a damn about melissa ferrick, etc. at the very least, on a bbs,
you can pick and choose which threads you want to read or participate
in, without your inbox being flooded with emails you really don't care
about, in hopes that someone, somewhere on the list will post
something that wasn't already posted on indigovortex weeks ago.

there are over 1500 registered members of indigovortex ... some may be
college students who've just discovered ig's music, but for the most
part, members are probably in their late 20s - mid-40s who have
listened to ig for years, like many of us here.  but does being under
30 or new to ig make someone less of a fan?

victoria

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okay--
unfortunately if you have not heard back from me, that means i do not have any copies left. i responded to the first few requests from this list and from the vortex. i'm going to search around and try to gather up some more copies, at which point i will repost to the list asking that anyone still interested contact me. also, to those to whom i did respond, i used my work account so it may look like spam, but the subject line is lesbian news.
thanks,
sarah

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these are some very good points, but i'm looking at it with a different take on it.  please note my responses are in caps not because i'm screaming at you, but to more clearly separate my responses from the original message.
marysnshne <marysnshne@yahoo.com> wrote:

mostly does play in bars - - - places for everyone to relax and have a drink and unwind in ways that are appropriate bar room behavior. maybe it's appropriate for me to relax with my girlfriend or friends and have a few drinks and enjoy some conversation away from the front stage.

point taken, but "away from the stage" is an important part that a lot of others leave out.  some find it ok to stay right by the stage and scream at each other in conversation.  also, "some conversation" away from the stage is not what we are bitching about...whether you are at the bar away from the stage is important as to whether it's acceptable, but even at the bar, i've seen several fans (i use this term loosely) away from the stage still talking (more like screaming) so loudly that it is still bothersome.  my question?  if you are enjoying a night out talking w/ a gf or a friend or whatever, why not go to a bar that has dancing/dj, or a quiet atmosphere where your conversation will not interfere with others' enjoyment!

maybe for you, enjoyment means getting close enough to the stage to see if melissa has flossed her teeth today.

i'm interested in the music and nothing more.  i won't deny that watching an artist that is easy on the eye is an added bonus, though ;)  i sit as close as possible because i like to take photos and interact and hear what she says.  also, because my ex is disabled and in a wheelchair, it is necessary for her to sit in front in order to see.  i also like to watch her fingers and see what frets they are on and where the kapo is, etc.  i could care less whether melissa has had a whitening treatment or has a big wad of spinach in her teeth.  i have a gf to watch and fantisize about, etc., but she doesn't sing/play like melissa.  that's why i go to the shows!


. . . and i have a huge problem with those holier
than thou fans who think it is their god given duty to
"protect" melissa by being disrespectful and in some
cases, down right nasty and obnoxious to other people
there enjoying the show by giving them terrible looks
and/or saying rude things to them . . . they are so
disrespectful and will damn near threaten to kill you
with looks if you dare utter a sound. mind your own
fuc king business and get over it - you are at a bar
- some people just want to relax and chat with friends
while enjoying the music . . .

from my point of view, "disrespectful" is disturbing others, not asking inconsiderate people to stop annoying others either by words or looks!  if someone interferes with my enjoyment at a show, it is "my own business" when i ask them to stop!  as for myself, i have never been rude to anyone who is disturbing me and others around me.  i have, however, respectfully asked others to be quiet so that i and my friends (and others) could enjoy the show.  i have not done that to "protect" melissa...if you've seen her, you know she's more than capable of doing that herself.  i'm not saying it's wrong to "utter a sound" either.  nor is it wrong to relax and chat wth friends--unless it interferes with others' capability to have an enjoyable time and hear the music.

i can't stand the
"double standard" existing among some of the "self
appointed best fans in the world". that double
standard being "i can sing and dance and enjoy the
show any way i want but don't you dare make a sound or
talk" . . .

i don't believe that some fans are better than others, and i certainly don't claim to be the "best fan in the world," but i believe in common courtesy.  there are sing-a-longs, where performers enjoy and encourage folks to stand, dance, sing, wave, whatever.  after all, we are there to have fun!  but i have seen so many times where people sing out at inappropriate times or just won't shut up because it's not their favorite song and they happen to be bored or something.

please . . . get over yourselves. don't you dare tell
me what to do.

i would respectfully ask someone to stop whatever they were doing to annoy me, and if that doesn't work, i'm done with it.  i will get security or appropriate personnel to take care of the matter.

i'm not advocating rudeness or talking above the music or screaming and obnoxious behavior,

ditto!!

- i can't tell you the looks that i've received from some "fans" - leave me the f
uck alone and let me enjoy my night out by the bar -

no problem with someone enjoying her night out as long as it doesn't interfere with me enjoying mine!


if you want to hear the music and you get so close to the stage that you see her arm pit stains, then go ahead, that's your perogative,

hmmm, does melissa have pit stains?  anyone?  i've never noticed one way or another, myself.

but don't interfere with me - give your snotty looks to someone else .  obnoxious ferrick fans are the reason i won't go frequently to see her play in bars

to me, obnoxious is not giving looks or asking that talkers shut up--obnoxious is talking over a performer's set--obnoxious is drinking so much that one doesn't even know how annoying s/he is being to others--obnoxious is preventing folks from hearing/seeing the music, when it is obvious that is the reason they are at the bar in the first place!

(i will on occasion, but prefer the sit down venue).

i also perfer a sit-down venue because then you well know folks came to hear the music and the bar and drinking are secondary.  unfortunately, melissa doesn't play them much and i'll take what i can get!

i do like her music though, and stay a fan myself.

at least we agree on that point!!!    ;)

just mho again!

toye

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holy cow!  please take your melissa ferrick / girls in bars argument off list.

(strange that we simultaneously have that argument and a
gee-why-the-heck-do-people-leave-this-list? discussion. )

meanwhile, diane brings up the 'intimate strangers' netspace.org
t-shirts.  ahhhh... i remember too ... when the internet and the list
were shiny and new.

remember trying to decide what color for the printing?  indigo, of
course!  who made those shirts? it wasn't you was it?  remember
i-girl?  who was i-girl?    i was in college and i had all kinds of
time to sit around the computer lab while procrastinating writing
papers.  then suddenly i was graduating and travelling and i still
owed people boots (on cassette! yikes!) and all my things were in
storage and life just -- changed.

i was away from this list for a few years.  i would love to make
amends to anyone i still owed a tape to -- but you probably don't want
a copy of a cassette any longer.  well, i'm just saying the offer
stands. i remember everyone was so mad at someone named brooke for
ditching out on some trades and then when i was on other continents
and in countries where i could barely make a phone call home for a
while it suddenly was quite difficult to send people tapes and i
wondered if the infamous brooke had just run into some life
circumstance everybody misunderstood?

remember when we were salivating, positively salivating, in
anticipation of 1200 curfews??

i just can't believe people are even comparing and judging: "well, ms
ferrick did this but ms ray and ms saliers wouldn't talk to me! oh my
god, i'm their fan!"

it's the sense of entitlement that kills me, every time... i remember
*that* from the early list days too.   it's not just that people
"invade privacy" or whatever; i think most list folk aren't actually
stalkers or psychos, but there's this idea that we somehow deserve
things that are in fact privileges.


~linda~
who also likes melissa ferrick, p.s.
who in fact first heard of ms ferrick from a list,
either this one or the melissa etheridge list
back in the day

on apr 6, 2005 12:07 pm, toye gillman <toye77@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> these are some very good points, but i'm looking at it with a different take on it.

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we are entitled to...

listen to cds when we buy them

listen to the music at concerts when we pay for tickets.

that's all we are entitled to...anything beyond that is a bonus for which one should be thankful, and put it in the old memory bank to take out later and pass around the list!!

toye

linda napikoski <napikoski@gmail.com> wrote:

it's the sense of entitlement that kills me, every time... i remember
*that* from the early list days too. it's not just that people
"invade privacy" or whatever; i think most list folk aren't actually
stalkers or psychos, but there's this idea that we somehow deserve
things that are in fact privileges.


~linda~
who also likes melissa ferrick, p.s.
who in fact first heard of ms ferrick from a list,
either this one or the melissa etheridge list
back in the day

on apr 6, 2005 12:07 pm, toye gillman wrote:
> these are some very good points, but i'm looking at it with a different take on it.

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"i just can't believe people are even comparing and judging: "well, ms
ferrick did this but ms ray and ms saliers wouldn't talk to me! oh my
god, i'm their fan!"

it's the sense of entitlement that kills me, every time... i remember
*that* from the early list days too.   it's not just that people
"invade privacy" or whatever; i think most list folk aren't actually
stalkers or psychos, but there's this idea that we somehow deserve
things that are in fact privileges."

i remember a heated discussion sometime back about this, and someone (i
don't remember who) made a very good point. sometimes you would think it
nice that people are standing outside waiting for you to get off work and
say how wonderful you are and can they get a picture and can you sign
something for me and maybe say something to me that i willl remember
forever? but think about your day, yea, sometimes that might be nice, but
other days - i don't know. i like it when my time is my time. granted, the
fans are the backbone to their success, where would they be without us? now
think about your boss, standing outside the door when you're ready to leave
going, oh just one more thing....ugh!
on a side note, i have waited for the girls, outside in the cold and the
rain, i got emily's autograph once. amy slipped out another door time and
again. i was disapointed, but that didn't stop me from waiting again, and
that time we had to give up and leave before the last train pulled out of
nyc. i would still wait if i had the time, just because i hate to think of
the day where no one will wait for them, and then they just might disapear,
so i'll wait because just because you don't always want to go to the party,
it sure is nice to be asked. i just love that they're still here, and i can
see them smile and hear new songs and sing along with the old ones and for
that i feel lucky.

kellie


>from: linda napikoski <napikoski@gmail.com>
>reply-to: linda napikoski <napikoski@gmail.com>
>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
>subject: 90s list memories
>date: wed, 6 apr 2005 13:46:59 -0400
>
>holy cow!  please take your melissa ferrick / girls in bars argument off
>list.
>
>(strange that we simultaneously have that argument and a
>gee-why-the-heck-do-people-leave-this-list? discussion. )
>
>meanwhile, diane brings up the 'intimate strangers' netspace.org
>t-shirts.  ahhhh... i remember too ... when the internet and the list
>were shiny and new.
>
>remember trying to decide what color for the printing?  indigo, of
>course!  who made those shirts? it wasn't you was it?  remember
>i-girl?  who was i-girl?    i was in college and i had all kinds of
>time to sit around the computer lab while procrastinating writing
>papers.  then suddenly i was graduating and travelling and i still
>owed people boots (on cassette! yikes!) and all my things were in
>storage and life just -- changed.
>
>  i was away from this list for a few years.  i would love to make
>amends to anyone i still owed a tape to -- but you probably don't want
>a copy of a cassette any longer.  well, i'm just saying the offer
>stands. i remember everyone was so mad at someone named brooke for
>ditching out on some trades and then when i was on other continents
>and in countries where i could barely make a phone call home for a
>while it suddenly was quite difficult to send people tapes and i
>wondered if the infamous brooke had just run into some life
>circumstance everybody misunderstood?
>
>remember when we were salivating, positively salivating, in
>anticipation of 1200 curfews??
>
>i just can't believe people are even comparing and judging: "well, ms
>ferrick did this but ms ray and ms saliers wouldn't talk to me! oh my
>god, i'm their fan!"
>
>it's the sense of entitlement that kills me, every time... i remember
>*that* from the early list days too.   it's not just that people
>"invade privacy" or whatever; i think most list folk aren't actually
>stalkers or psychos, but there's this idea that we somehow deserve
>things that are in fact privileges.
>
>
>~linda~
>who also likes melissa ferrick, p.s.
>who in fact first heard of ms ferrick from a list,
>either this one or the melissa etheridge list
>back in the day
>
>
>
>
>
>on apr 6, 2005 12:07 pm, toye gillman <toye77@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > these are some very good points, but i'm looking at it with a different
>take on it.
>
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       i'm having one of those senior moments, so i cannot remember exactly
how long i've been around here, but i generally go in spurts as far as
participating. for one thing, though, my tastes in music have changed dramatically in
the last couple of years and (not to be a blasphemer) i haven't even listened
much to ig recently. i still listen if they get played on the radio, and i
heard emily and her dad on the diane rehm show on npr talking about their book,
but it's been a long time (too long?) since i listened. for one thing, i listen
less to wxpn in philly, the premier ig radio outlet in my area. they've grown
too rock/alternative for me and seem to have less folk/indie
singer-songwriter. i listen to more npr, and i listen to and buy more jazz (bad plus, bill
frisell, patricia barber) and classical (joshua bell, anything by mahler). and
even in the singer-songwriter vein i still follow, i've found others that i
listen to more, such as mark erelli, kennedys, kasey chambers, the new mary
gauthier. i also stumbled across the r&r hall of fame show on tv a few weeks ago and
have reimmersed myself into u2 (i forgot how much i liked them!). so i'm
still all over the map, i just haven't pointed my compass toward athens, ga.,
lately.
       i also probably am busier in some regards. i am trying to get out more
and bike and hike and play golf, so i don't listen as much to anything when i
am out.
deb

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in a message dated 4/6/2005 10:47:33 a.m. pacific standard  time,
napikoski@gmail.com writes:

who made  those shirts? it wasn't you was it?  remember
i-girl?  who was  i-girl?


it was amy....she used to live down here in sunnyvale,  ca.  last i knew she
was in canada.
amy, if you're out there:  hi!!!!  remember  going to meet a&e at tower
records in sf?  good times!
i have 2 of those shirts.  i still wear  em!

~jenn

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i've been watching this conversation about talking with fans after shows vs.
"blowing them off" so to speak.   i am a performer, although nowhere near
the caliber of melissa or the girls.  i've played bars/pubs/coffee
houses/schools and libraries.  you are given a certain amount of time to do
what you have to do, set up, sound check, performance, tear down.  usually
about 1 hour to set up and check, 45-60 minutes for the performance and
about 20 minutes to tear down as the next performer is setting up, unless
you are the sole performer. its usually during the tear down that everyone
tries to see and talk to you because you "seem to be available."  i really
appreciate the people that come out to see us play, especially the little
kids when we do library shows, because they're interested in our odd
instruments and they want to know everything.  sometimes i'm high off the
adrenalin rush and i want to talk to everyone. but sometimes i just want to
yank all my stuff and take it to another area so i can just unwind after a
show and pack all my crap and go home.  i have four other band mates and a
couple of step dancers that can talk to other people when i'm not in the
mood.  melissa doesn't, the girls don't.  people want them and no one else.
that's gotta be really rough to have to be "on" most of the time after a
show.

it takes us sometimes an hour to actually get out the door after we tear
down and pack up our little rinky dink shows, and that's almost more than i
can bare at times, other times its not enough. it just really depends. but
for every performer, there is an amount of interaction you must have with
your audience outside of a performance, that's how you build your fan base
so that people will keep coming back and also how you get feedback to figure
out what you might do a bit differently the next time. people will give you
their opinion even if you don't want it.

playing in bars is the  roughest. it doesn't matter if you're a
singer/songwriter, a traditional folk musician or a rock band.  as the night
wears on, the drinkers become louder and louder and i'm usually glad they're
just talking loud and not fighting or hurling things toward the stage.  most
of them come to see you, but others are there just because its something for
them to do with their buds on a particular night.  they aren't there to see
you, they just happen to have come, and either way, their cover charge
contributes to your pay so you just learn to deal with it.

i love melissa ferrick but i have never had the opportunity to see her live.
she has been in so cal several times, but never when i could see her. i
really want to because i think she is fantastic.  i've seen the girls a
gazillion times in all sorts of venues.  i always have a good time. i don't
rush the stage anymore, but i love watching other fans do it and the smiles
it brings to the girls' faces.  i love singing along and i absolutely love
the expressions on their faces when they back off a tune to listen to the
fans sing.  met lots of good people and made lots of friends from this list.


sim

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>>remember i-girl?  who was i-girl?<<

i met i-girl once in philly. i think i scared her off 'cause we never got
together again. but that's ok :)

neil

coming soon to our house concert series here in media, pa:
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amy might not be here on the list now but i happen to know her website:

http://www.indigirl.com

on apr 6, 2005 12:43 pm, jennifer belton <jenindgo@aol.com> wrote:
> it was amy....she used to live down here in sunnyvale,  ca.  last i knew she
> was in canada.
> amy, if you're out there:  hi!!!!  remember  going to meet a&e at tower
> records in sf?  good times!
> i have 2 of those shirts.  i still wear  em!

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>>amy might not be here on the list now but i happen to know her website:
http://www.indigirl.com<<

i'm thinking amy (indigirl) and i-girl are two different people...

neil

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at 04:23 pm 4/6/2005 -0400, neil hunt wrote:
>i'm thinking amy (indigirl) and i-girl are two different people...

i knew i-girl in person (unfortunately lost touch years and years ago), but
her "real" name wasn't amy, so methinks i agree.

allison
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at 04:23 pm 4/6/2005, neil hunt wrote:
> >>amy might not be here on the list now but i happen to know her website:
>http://www.indigirl.com<<
>
>i'm thinking amy (indigirl) and i-girl are two different people...


i second that emotion...and what was her first name anyway...i met her once
and still dont know...

>12 years on the list...what a long strange trip it has been...

and it still is my fave music related list...

mjr

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seeing all the old time posters on this list is wierd.

i met igirl a few times. i remember her real first name, but her last
name escapes me and it'll probably come to me in an unexpected,
unrelated moment.

eddie
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amy (who has made us tee shirts, the melbourne wrecking crew ones) is
indigirl.  and she now lives in canada.  :)

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"i'm running to the end of the earth,
and i'm swimming to the edge of the sea,
and i'm laughing, i'm under a starry sky
this world was meant for me
don't bury me carry me..."
~~ amy ray, indigo girls

"there's a lot to be said for what's been left behind
you just dream of the ocean
waves from the aleutians crashing on the shore
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alive in the south sea..."
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i still have that melbourne wrecking crew shirt but it isn't wearable in
public anymore! i loved that shirt!

i was wearing it when i met you, diane in line at the mann music center in
philly. jordan and i saw you again at the bethlehem musikfest in pa. how
cool you remember us, jordan has changed in every way except for his love of
ig music.that has remained a constant and for that i'm truly grateful.

can't believe i came home from work and i just got finished reading the list
mail now!

a real nice change.

shout outs to neil (jordan and i met you at the mann) and mike who could
never be called a lazy list member i really enjoy your posts and melissa
(not ferrick but now i'll have to listen to her music) i hope jodi is doing
well and that 2005 will be a happier and healther year for you both.

keep it up folks, any more memories out there?

lynne

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weird indeed! and i third the motion that 'i-girl' is not indigirl.

this is no way meant to be a slight of indigirl, but i-girl was, in my
opinion, this list's most incredible poster and storyteller. if it weren't
for the fact that greg flamer, dwayne jarrell and i actually road tripped
with her part way to newport folk festival back in '95 (i think it was that
year and probably when mike met her), i'm not so sure i would actually
believe she was a real person.

i'm drawing a blank on the topics of her best posts, but i recall reading
them with tears of laughter running down my cheeks. i seem to recall one
about christmas. does anyone remember these? greg, i know you save
everything -- do you have a few classics you can share?

deb

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> seeing all the old time posters on this list is wierd.
>
> i met igirl a few times. i remember her real first name, but her last
> name escapes me and it'll probably come to me in an unexpected,
> unrelated moment.
>
> eddie
> eml@lawyerman.net
> on the list since late '92.
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this is my favorite i-girl post.

date: tue, 12 jul 94 11:52:23 cdt
from: i-girl <ig%nuacvm.acns.nwu.edu@uicvm.uic.edu>
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subject: i curse myself with empty hands
to: indigo-girls@indigo.mese.com

well, it happened again.  i blush at the admission,
but it happened again.  i was caught in a clap fade.

as you may have read, the nautica show in cleveland
was rained upon (but not rained out).  it was a great
concert in many respects, but the darn rain delay was
the very distraction that proved to be my demise.
i recount:

things were going swimmingly.  caroline aiken opened,
and then her big-voiced daughter belted out "the greatest
show on earth".  it was humid as hell, but wasn't there
just a hint of a breeze coming off the brown-hued cuyahoga?
besides, amy and em were somewhere on the grounds, and i
felt in my belly that it would be a dreamy show.

the igs came out as evening fell, the breeze whipped up
with a little more resolve, and amy was telling me that
this is how it should be.  i shuddered with the sudden
realization that she was right; i hadn't seen the girls
in over a year, and--as often happens with even the oldest
of friends--that first moment after a long absence can be
uncertain:  have you changed?  have i?  are we as good
together as we used to be?  fugitive lingered for just
a moment as i decided that, yes, we were as good as we'd
ever been.  it was just as it should be.

another song came, and another.  then rain in fat chunky
drops--and of course i wore no synthetic fibers, particularly
none of the useful, waterproof variety.  but my cheery list
mates were as wet as i was, and there was nothing to do but
sing with all our might.  it was a hootenanny, funny and free.

then amy and em reined us in with american tune.  it poured.
we called next for finlandia, but our cries were rainswept
and lost.  the igs had a brief huddle with the crew, and then
reported that they'd hang back for awhile to let the weather
break.  em instructed "talk amongst yourselves".

eventually the rain retreated, and they took their places
again.  i barked out a welcome, because i'd missed them so.
the thing happened shortly after that.  i was taken wholely
off-guard.

the igs sashayed into power of two, em sounding sweet as pie.
the crowd, in sopping clothes and ruined hair, was light and
breezy.  (wouldn't you expect as much from people who've just
reached the immutable conclusion that they must look and feel
like hell for the next 3 hours?)  po2's easy melody took hold.
someone started to clap to the beat, and soon lots of people
were doing the same.  i joined in.  i never knew what hit me.

so we're oclap we're clap baby i'm clap to stop your clapin
chase all the clap from your clap...

in one excruciating moment, i knew i was sunk.  how, oh how
could i do this to myself, after i'd sworn on my copy of nomads
to never ever again get sucked into a party clap?  curses!

it's always the same.  someone is overcome by the beat and
starts to clap in time.  the clapping ripples out into the
merry crowd, and momentum builds.  it's a sonic whirlpool.
everyone gets washed in.  the people swell with joy, clapping
louder and louder.  you feel the pulse in every nerve and
fiber, stronger than the clap beneath your clap..

and then, inexplicably, the beat isn't quite so loud.  the song
continues, but some clappers feel foolish and stop, faking an
urgent need to cough or swig.  the noise falls off quickly as more
and more people bail out.  and one by one, every holdout clapper
comes to the horrifying realization that he or she could conceivably
be the only one left clapping in a sea of non-clappers.  and then
what?  do you keep clapping and pray for the song to end?   or do
you slink into non-clapping conformity, wishing you could erase
the indelible truth?

what starts as the act of one person so quickly becomes the act
of many, and as quickly becomes the act of one again.  moo.

i-girl

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at 10:15 pm 4/6/2005, dreiser wrote:
>weird indeed! and i third the motion that 'i-girl' is not indigirl.
>
>this is no way meant to be a slight of indigirl, but i-girl was, in my
>opinion, this list's most incredible poster and storyteller. if it weren't
>for the fact that greg flamer, dwayne jarrell and i actually road tripped
>with her part way to newport folk festival back in '95 (i think it was that
>year and probably when mike met her), i'm not so sure i would actually
>believe she was a real person.

1996, in a really bad excuse for a casino, in a even worse excuse for a
town...you know security was bad when emily stopped the show to prevent my
ass from being out on the sidewalk...

i was umm. a bit well, intoxicated...

not one of my finer moments...but metting igirl and deb and greg was all
cool - as was sue and her friend from ga, who i later that week stayed with
- in atlanta.

god that was a list show - but i absolutely hate the venue - which stinks
cuz hornsby loves it and he plays there all the time...

didn't flamer wish there would be a seabrook meltdown just to destroy the
casino????

oh well, nff was my fave ig venue, only cuz they havent played the maine
center for the arts, (my college art hall, beautiful room with amazing
acoustics, that place makes me yearn for college all over) or the camden,me
opera house...

tho merrill auditoium is right up there! and the paradise!!!!

mike r.

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no, i know amyindigirl is not i-girl. those were two separate memories: 1.=
=20
who coordinated the intimate strangers t-shirts? 2.who was i-girl?=20
on second thought, i suppose i should say those were two separate memory=
=20
lapses.=20
i never met i-girl or many ig listers in person. i started around '94 and=
=20
was in arizona and then l.a. and i always felt like everyone was in the=20
south or on the east coast. now i live in boston and i feel like everyone i=
s=20
in the midwest and california. i did meet some people when they did jesus=
=20
christ superstar in seattle.=20
and omigod i just love that you kept an i-girl story all this time! i had=
=20
to surrender my usc account shortly after graduation and i remember being=
=20
very sad that i had saved soooooo much stuff and never put it all on a disk=
=20
before my account went away.=20
the i-girl post i remember was about 'ghost'--something like: now i have=
=20
followed, and i have gone to a river, and i may have even followed a river,=
=20
but i never did "go follow to the river" .... oh, i paraphrase, but it was=
=20
fabulous.=20
now, is amy=3dindigirl of the t-shirts the same amy who made jewelry? i go=
t a=20
rainbow pendant with the letters ig on it from her. i still wear it all the=
=20
time. amy? are you out there? hello? what about lisa who went to usc at the=
=20
same time as me and we met in womyn's rap?=20
remember indicated? i think that's what we called it. the tapes of=20
listmembers' covers. i still have my tapes upstairs in boxes somewhere.=20
ok, i'm pretty much deeply entrenched in my college flashback now. lovin'=
=20
it!=20
~linda~
p.s. was it on the ig list or some other that someone posted she said=20
'bless you' to the satanic girl that sneezed in the computer lab while she=
=20
was typing her post...?
         on apr 6, 2005 9:51 pm, mike reynolds <mike@uppity-disability.net>=
=20
wrote:=20
>=20
> at 10:15 pm 4/6/2005, dreiser wrote:
> >weird indeed! and i third the motion that 'i-girl' is not indigirl.
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> 1996, in a really bad excuse for a casino, in a even worse excuse for =
a
> town...you know security was bad when emily stopped the show to =
prevent my
> ass from being out on the sidewalk...
>=20
> i was umm. a bit well, intoxicated...

it's funny...as i continue to get older i find i am forgetting a lot of
little things, but i'll probably never forget you being drunk at hampton
beach casino :)=20

> not one of my finer moments...but metting igirl and deb and greg was =
all
> cool - as was sue and her friend from ga, who i later that week stayed
> with
> - in atlanta.

was that susan and jocelyn? they were sweet. do you still keep in =
contact
with them? i stayed at their place in atlanta as well. susan marine was
there at the time too. we attended 3 chastain shows. i think it was =
memorial
day weekend in 97. fun times.

> god that was a list show - but i absolutely hate the venue - which =
stinks
> cuz hornsby loves it and he plays there all the time...

it was a rotten venue, but you're right, there was a great collection of
list folks there. after the show greg, dwayne and i drove straight =
through
the night back to chicago and milwaukee. it took me a week to recover =
from
that trip, but i'll never forget it.
=20
deb

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hey folks,

this is lifted from the portsmouth herald news site - if you want to
read it online you can check it out at
http://www.seacoastonline.com/calendar/4_05cds.htm.

cheers,
sherlyn

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> amy ray, better known as one half of the indigo girls, saves her
> most outspoken and personal songs about emerging sexual identity
> for =93prom,=94 the second solo album for her own daemon label. harder
> rocking than ray's ig stuff while still quite tuneful are high
> school-memory, coming-out anthems like the punk-fueled =93blender,=94
> =93rural faggot=94 and the schoolgirl crush of =93driver education.=94
> edgy, empowering and (at 32 minutes long) over in a wink. b+

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wow--what fun people have been having today.  one complaint about a
slow list with nothing to discuss and suddenly its like a high school
reunion here with "remember when" and "i recall".  deb is correct in
that i do save everything.  i have every ig post i have ever sent since
1994 (it's for that memoir i'm working on).  sadly i do not have all
the posts i have received from the list over that time frame.  that
would be a scary amount of data.  those late 90's had some heavy list
action.  i was reading my old posts and the flame wars that were going
on were intense.

i-girl was certainly mysterious , but an amazing poster, as deb said.
i have an i-girl folder but it's all personal correspondence which i
would feel weird posting.  we joked for months about her refusal to use
her first name.  it was a condition of our driving her to nff in 96
that she divulge her name.  but it will have to remain a little
secret--evil i know.  she is somewhat of a legend but i have no idea
where she is these days (as legends should be i suppose).  i wish i had
more of her posts.

so from the archives, i am posting one of my own personal favorite
posts from myself (yes, i'm narcissistic) followed by a few igirl posts
(which i am sure have been re-posted before but not for awhile).  my
post was in reference to a 2 week flamewar about whether amy and emily
had gained or lost weight.  it was insane!  this may be my longest post
ever so delete now if uninterested!

my post:

from:    gflame@megsinet.net
subject:        poundage and ig--are we this bored?
date:   august 14, 1997 11:52:59 pm cdt
to:             ig-list

hi--we've all thought about ig and their appearance at some point.  we
usually have the sense not to post these thoughts due to flamage.  i am
sure everyone has at some point thought something about a and e's
attractiveness and then had it go hand in hand with a thought about
loss or gain of weight.  yes we don't let these thoughts rule our lives
but the thoughts are surely there at times.  personally i think amy
does look better than emily right now but it's because emily needs a
new weave (gay guy chat for a haircut) or something and maybe some new
sunglasses--i'm kidding!!! ( but you all know you have thought about
those things!!  don't lie!--i mean today i saw the view appearance and
thought amy has that same old yucky brown shirt on--sue me!)
         and furthermore--take a good look at the photo on the nis cd.
amy has her arms outstretched and cheeks all blown up standing behind
emily.  she is clearly making fun of emily calling her a tub o lard.
and poor emily just sits their all content with her hands on her lap
unknowingly.  poor e!!  ;) so amy is guilty too :) :).  lighten up
people--the girls look awesome!!


i-girl post #1

on wed, 19 mar 1997, jones wrote:

> does anybody know the phone number to call to get tickets for calvin
> college.............

i thought calvin coolidge was dead..

i-girl


i-girl post #2 (more appropriate for christmas)

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from: i-girl <ig@nuacvm.acns.nwu.edu>
date: thu, 22 dec 94 14:18:53 cdt
subject: the one gift which i'd adore

need some last-minute gift ideas?  having trouble shopping for that
special
indigo girls fan on your list?  well, fret no more, because for a very
limited time you can order any of the following delightful items, each
designed with the insatiable ig fan in mind.  please read on for
descriptions:

for the child in everyone, we offer adorable amy and emily action
figures!
  amy is ready to jam in her ripped jeans with embroidered jacket
(jangling
beads and silver ring sold separately), while emily sports her trademark
overalls and a white t-shirt.  each comes with six guitars tuned in
weird
keys.  amy's strings pre-broken at factory.  (sorry, sara lee not
available.)

hate getting up in the morning?  well you'll rise and shine cheerfully
with
our new "first to praise the sun" _talking_ alarm clock!  forget those
shrill
buzzing alarms.  let amy wake you up *gently* with her calm assertion:
"um,
you're actually supposed to get up now.  but do whatever you feel
comfortable
with."

surprise your friends with a package of our homemade fat-free bran
muffins.
they're so delicious!  and they might be similar to muffins amy or emily
might have eaten once!

have you ever felt self-conscious at an ig show because you don't have
"that
hair"?  well you can say goodbye to your insecurity with our exclusive
miracle wigs.  that's right. just slip one on before the next show, and
watch
as you're instantly transformed!  you're sure to fit right in!  then
discreetly remove the wig afterwards, and no one but your date will be
the
wiser.  you really can have "that hair"! in medium brown.  unisex.

been too happy lately?  need a good cry?  well, now there's "the very
essence
of pain", a new compilation of the igs' most depressing songs.  let amy
and
emily get you down with old heartbreakers like "hey jesus" and "blood
and
fire", as well as newer ones like "fare thee well" and "ghost".  best
of all,
the songs are carefully sequenced to *maximize* your feelings of
emptiness
and despair.  you won't find a glimmer of hope here--no "watershed" or
"galileo" to diffuse your pain--just your favorite downers, back to
back.
  order several copies,  and share the agony with your friends!  coffee
and
cigarettes not included.

well, those are the goods.  unfortunately, however, the time during
which
they were available for purchase was so very limited that it actually
expired
just now.  we regret the inconvenience.

-- from i-girl, who brings you glad tidings of great joy .... because
"great
tidings of glad joy" just didn't make any sense..

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omg!  i totally remember that post!!...the  christmas gift one.  i can't
believe i've been here as long as that....is  that date right?....94?

wow.

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for those of you who like girlyman, here's a review of their new cd-


>"afterellen.com" wrote:review of girlyman's "little star"
>by kris scott marti, april 7, 2005
>
>another album by the trio girlyman that will break your heart and get you excited.
>
>http://www.afterellen.com/music/2005/4/girlyman.html
>
>
--lorna

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wow.  i too have loved this list since my first
trip onto the internet.  back when the bbs meant
the single-thread list of anonymous posts on
indigogirls.com.

i remember going to the 9:30 club when they did
the ngltf benefit in '98, the one that deb booted
so wonderfully (and had the fortune to have the
coolest email address ever...
indigo@mindspring.com)- and i went to that show
by myself, something i'd never done before- and
it is still one of the best ig shows i think i've
ever seen.  and then to hear on the list that it
was booted was so awesome.

i remember road tripping to athens / atlanta for
lilith fair or ig in atlanta - can't remember
which and having a really cool list meet for
breakfast at the flying biscuit.  that was right
after getting the t-shirts, and we all got our
little picture taken.  and in the same trip going
to emily's *new* restaurant watershed.

i remember, and miss neil's annual april fools
day posts about winning a chance to meet the
girls, or holding up the cd case in the mirror
for a secret code, or playing swamp ophelia
backwards or something for a hidden message... i
know that's not quite right, but the jist is
there....  neil - did you keep all those?  i'd
love to re-read a compilation...

i remember heated political discussions every 4
years or so when all of a sudden people whom you
thought were list buddies were all of a sudden
jumping down your throat... not some of the
brighter moments on the list for sure...

but mostly i remember this list as being a great
community, and in earlier days a place one could
turn to in times of distress.  i'll never forget
those of you who sent words of comfort when i
lost my dalmatian woody, or off-list discussions
with listees about the trials of coming-out and
losing friends, and dealing with unsupportive
parents.

nowadays, it doesn't have that same feel.  but
then, a lot of us have grown into adults on this
list and stuff that seemed important a few years
ago... amy's tattoo, cowboy hat, tank top and
brown striped shirt, polls about your favorite
ig-make love songs, least favorite songs, songs
good in the shower, road trip songs, smoking/not
smoking, standing/not standing, rushing the
stage, dancing in the aisles... well, heck, we've
already discussed this stuff so many times, why
bring it up again?

this isn't necessarily bad - just chalk it up to
longevity.  of ig and of the fans who've stuck
around so long.  so i guess we should just be
glad that they're still here.  and so are we.

:-)
tara

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wow. i really feel like i missed out by not joining the list until '99 or
so. that xmas gift post was hilarious. i especially like the depressing
songs compilation and i-girl's sign-off. priceless.

non-ig content: i'm going to see tori amos in philly monday night, and i'm
dying with excitement! just had to share.

cheers,
tom m.

"can you mr. bush light the sage"
--- tori amos, "indian summer"


>from: jennifer belton <jenindgo@aol.com>
>reply-to: jenindgo@aol.com
>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
>subject: re: i-girl/old times
>date: thu, 7 apr 2005 02:56:39 edt
>
>omg!  i totally remember that post!!...the  christmas gift one.  i can't
>believe i've been here as long as that....is  that date right?....94?
>
>wow.
>
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what i remember about i-girl was meeting her in person.  back when the list
had a physical place connected to it: rainy day records.  for a couple or
three years in a row they put together an all-day show (indigo girls
included) at the store on new year's day and people on the list came from
all over.  it was almost a list-only thing so it was a very intimate show.
what struck me was that, when we first got there and people were saying
hello, it was like any kind of social get-together: people flocked to the
most attractive people first and wanted to know who they were.  i-girl was
really short and no one was talking to her in particular at first until
somebody shouted out, "you're i-girl!?" and the whole dynamic changed and
everybody flocked around her.
.
the old days were more interesting for sure.  the whole internet experience
was exploding at the same time that ig was and the newness of it was weird
for them and weird for us as well.  i can remember a week where i was
literally afraid to turn on my computer because i was locked in this flame
war for something i said the wrong way and people were screaming at me for
days.  i almost felt like someone was going to jump out of the machine and
choke me.  i remember being at shows and meeting someone from the list and
realizing that if i didn't already "know" them i'd have never spoken to
them otherwise or even realized i had anything in common with them.
walking into places and wondering who's "connected" and who's just an
ordinary human who has no clue.  that was all very weird.  standing in a
stairwell with people waiting to go in while ig was doing a soundcheck and
then talking about it the next day -- "oh, that was you?" -- getting to
hear someone else's perception of the same event after the fact is one of
the best thing the internet has given us.
.
-- ron
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anna creech mentions:

> many years ago when i was new ig fan, someone created a compilation of =
cover
> songs called cover me grey.  it's on a cassette tape and anyone who =
wanted a
> copy from the master donated something like $5 to a charity that ig
> supported.

...which seems like a nice idea.

so, anyone up for this?

edward.

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there might be a nice compilation lurking in here.  maybe we should put =
one together?

i don't mind doing some organisation and cd burning, but i don't =
actually have many of these (hence the question). =20

edward.

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here's a list of the covers they've done:
http://www.lifeblood.net/songs/covers.html

my personal faves would be:
wild horses
summertime
down by the river
melissa


kathrin


on 4 apr 2005 at 8:19, edward hibbert wrote:

> do the indigo girls do covers?  if so, what have they done, and which
> do you like best?
>
> edward.

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i got cover me grey from someone on this list for blank ans sase.

toye

edward hibbert <edward.hibbert@dataconnection.com> wrote:
anna creech mentions:

> many years ago when i was new ig fan, someone created a compilation of cover
> songs called cover me grey. it's on a cassette tape and anyone who wanted a
> copy from the master donated something like $5 to a charity that ig
> supported.

...which seems like a nice idea.

so, anyone up for this?

edward.

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subject:      re: i-girl/old times

like a few other oldtimers, i'm chiming up from the land of lurkdom...

- this is the third i-girl retrospective since she left the list sometime in
1997

- according to my records, her real name does not appear anywhere in the list
archives: the list can keep a secret!  (of course, the current list archives
only reach back to may 13, 1995)

- for my money, football in the parking lot at great woods '97 was a great
listee party time - we didn't really break any windows, did we???


jen

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for your enjoyment, here are three classic i-girl posts from 1996

date:         thu, 1 feb 1996
subject:      max weinberg, your pants are too tight

on tue, 30 jan 1996, bertin lefkovic wrote:

> i am sure there are other men and women here
> who are single and are looking for that special
> someone in their life...thus, my idea is to use
> this list like the personals page in the newspaper...

hmmmm, maybe it's just me, but i sort of thought
that getting babes was the whole point of being
on the ig list....

confused,
i-girl

date:         thu, 11 apr 1996
subject:      i'm just a mirror of a mirrim a fo rorrim a tsuj m'i

(_breathlessly running after the bandwagon_)...

name:  i-girl
age:  30
city:  evanston, il
education:  degree in math
which means:  i work in another field
number of ig concerts:  20+
number of times i met emily:  2
number of times i felt monumentally dorky in front of emily:  2
number of cd's i own:  what's 34 times 13?
books i like:  anything with pictures!
noises my car makes:  whistling, wheezing, whining, sneezing
song i keep humming:  "am i wrong?"
the one thing i can't stand is:  overcooked pasta
i secretly desire:  to be seen on mtv wearing only a white bikini
number of math books i own:  115
my last arithmetic mistake was to the tune of:  $4,500
i'm a friend to:  the embittered
jingle o' the day:  "an-noy-ing songs are / cu-ummm-bersome..."
i'm a sucker for:  porch swings
i am profoundly angry at my father because:  i have wide feet
my friends never come over because:  i only have one chair
i sometimes wear holey jeans because:  chicks dig 'um
three words that describe me are:  obsessive, compulsive, happy
words to live by:  "loose lips will sink a ship"

date:         fri, 3 may 1996
subject:      is there ever anything else that makes us take our different sides

this seems like as good a time as any to bring up
(what may be) a sensitive topic.

we've been chatting about "amy types" and "emily
types".  quite frankly, i sort of think everyone is
predominantly one or the other.  me, i'm an emily.
i was born that way.  but otoh i'm not afraid to
say, "i'm in touch with my amy side".  i think
that's healthy.

but here's the thing.  couple-wise, i pretty much
think amy-types should stick with amy-types and
emily-types should stick with emily-types.  i'm not
trying to tell people how to live their lives, but
frankly i don't understand heteroindigo relationships.
i'm just aghast when i see amys going out with emilies.
of course, i don't say anything to their faces, but i
just want to tell them, "quit now.  it'll never work."

i'll admit that i've been on both sides of the fence.
i've experimented.  and i truly believe that everyone
needs to find his or her own way.  but for me personally
--an emily--going out with an amy has always been a total
disaster.  in the end we fought over who dumped whom.
otoh, my same-indigo relationships always felt "right".

anyway, i just thought that maybe if i shared my story,
it might open up a meaningful dialogue.

i-girl

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i still dont know - she inadvertenly offended me and she still did not tell
me her name...

i sold jen her great woods 97 ticket - at face value and it was a great
ticket (but *i* had front row the week before in hartford, and who knew
they'd be in maine for honor the earth and i'd have dinner with both a&e,
or that i'd get amazing tixs to new haven - meet my lifelong den mom fran
and hear romeo and then stay an extra night after a conference to see the
ig again in boston...)

1997 was a great year to be an ig fan ... and in college...i think i wanna
go baaaaaaaaaaaaaaack...

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tara <tara8595@yahoo.com> wrote:

> i remember road tripping to athens / atlanta for
> lilith fair or ig in atlanta - can't remember
> which and having a really cool list meet for
> breakfast at the flying biscuit.  that was right
> after getting the t-shirts, and we all got our
> little picture taken.  and in the same trip going
> to emily's *new* restaurant watershed.
>


hey, that was fun!  i must have been 19 or 20 - my dad
and i drove down from ohio for that and he was nice
enough to put up with me and take me to the flying
biscuit list meet.  (it was lilith fair, by the way.)
now i live in atlanta and eat there pretty often, but
i thought it was so cool to actually be in atlanta.

the other list meet i went to was the next summer at
bumbershoot in seattle.  a certain lister chewed me
out for taking her spot at the concert (it was an
accident!).

:)

liz

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<<i remember going to the 9:30 club when they did
the ngltf benefit in '98, the one that deb booted
so wonderfully (and had the fortune to have the
coolest email address ever...
indigo@mindspring.com)- and i went to that show
by myself, something i'd never done before- and
it is still one of the best ig shows i think i've
ever seen.>>

hey, i went to that show by myself, too! i traveled 200 miles knowing it
was sold out and i didn't already have a ticket. i just trusted that i
would find a way to get in.
sure enough, i found a guy with an extra ticket who was kind enough to sell
it to me for the purchase price. he didn't have to do that, as there must
have been about 20 of us ticketless souls scurrying for extra tickets, and
a few unscrupulous folks who were scalping tickets to the highest bidder.

i thoroughly enjoyed going solo to the show. i grabbed a bite to eat (the
9:30 has a great menu) before the concert started and talked with a few
"intimate strangers" that i never would have met had i gone with friends.

~robbin

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oh, how annoying - i was all set to listen to ig's performance on kbco's
studio c, but they aren't streaming today. is this something new, or has it
been a while since they streamed their audio?


~robbin

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duh, i didn't see this little message on their site:

"unfortunately, kbco.com has had to temporarily disable our online
broadcast outside of colorado. due to the unexpected and overwhelming
signup response, the bandwidth wouldn't allow proper streaming. once a
solution is determined to the bandwidth problem we're experiencing we'll be
back up and available to everyone again! sorry for the inconvenience."

oh well.


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date:         thu, 7 apr 2005 16:25:40 -0500
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i remember, and miss neil's annual april fools
day posts about winning a chance to meet the
girls, or holding up the cd case in the mirror
for a secret code, or playing swamp ophelia
backwards or something for a hidden message... i
know that's not quite right, but the jist is
there....  neil - did you keep all those?  i'd
love to re-read a compilation...


tara,
it's funny you should mention that!  i had just sent an e-mail off-list to
neil about that very subject!

i think this list is wonderful, in all it's various forms.  i've been a
member since 1997.  up until then i didn't know this list existed.  and
really, i don't know how any new fans would find it now.  we are like a
hidden gem of some of the most loyal fans ig could have.  we've been there
through so much, and i'm sure we'll continue to be.

i do miss the times when i could spend an hour reading my ig list mail.  i
loved the discussions when a new cd came out.  how we would all talk about
all the songs and their meanings.  maybe we can get back to that.  but even
if we don't, it's comforting to know that so many old friends (who are
strangers really), are always out there.

take care,
mi rinda

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reply-to:     michele curley <mida1@msn.com>
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from:         michele curley <mida1@msn.com>
subject:      90s list memories and first time i heard ig and first ig concert
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here i am emerging from lurkdom, as i rarely have, lo these many years. i
can't remember when i joined the list, but it was many moons, many abodes
and many computers ago! i'm trying to remember the name of the great poster
from oberlin college. i loved reading her posts. do you know who i'm talking
about? and, of course, being from chicago, i've always enjoyed hearing what
greg, deb, pooh, karen aka spike (just to name a few) have to say. it was
great to meet pooh at the suffragette sessions and to finally meet greg and
deb (actually from wisconsin) last year.

i'm usually always busy, busy, busy...even right now i should be doing a
million other things. i'm a full-time high school teacher, sponsor of 4
clubs and part-time dharma student (studying to be a zen buddhist meditation
teacher). i used to save ig concert reviews, set lists and great posts...but
when i became buddhist 3 years ago, i started simplifying my life and got
rid of or gave away most of my "stuff."

my life has changed a lot over the years. i'll never forget when i first
heard the girls. it was spring 1989; i was spending the night in a campus
apartment with a friend. i was on the top bunk; she was on the bottom. she
passed up a tape, saying she thought i would like it. i stuck it into my
walkman and found my musical best friends. the first song was, of course,
ctf and i was hooked.

but, because i lived in italy from the summer of 1989 until 1995, my first
concert wasn't until 1994-arie crown theater, chicago. (thanks, greg!) since
i've been back, i've been to all chicago shows (except for the ill-fated u
of c show when amy got sick) and a few other midwest ones.  but things have
definitely changed because for the first time i did not go to see them when
they were in town! they came to joliet...and i did not heed the call. i still
love their concerts, but this time i had other priorities.

as i write this, i remember why i usually don't post. i tend to ramble and i
really, really don't have the time...but over the years i have immensely
enjoyed reading all of your witty and interesting thoughts and especially
your detailed reviews!

so thanks for the memories, thanks for all of you kind boot providers, and
on behalf of all lurkees, thanks to all the faithful constant posters, past
and present, who have kept this list alive!

peace,
michele


>from: "kovacs, mirinda" <mirinda.kovacs@thomson.com>
>reply-to: "kovacs, mirinda" <mirinda.kovacs@thomson.com>
>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
>subject: re: 90s list memories
>date: thu, 7 apr 2005 16:25:40 -0500
>
>i remember, and miss neil's annual april fools
>day posts about winning a chance to meet the
>girls, or holding up the cd case in the mirror
>for a secret code, or playing swamp ophelia
>backwards or something for a hidden message... i
>know that's not quite right, but the jist is
>there....  neil - did you keep all those?  i'd
>love to re-read a compilation...
>
>
>tara,
>it's funny you should mention that!  i had just sent an e-mail off-list to
>neil about that very subject!
>
>i think this list is wonderful, in all it's various forms.  i've been a
>member since 1997.  up until then i didn't know this list existed.  and
>really, i don't know how any new fans would find it now.  we are like a
>hidden gem of some of the most loyal fans ig could have.  we've been there
>through so much, and i'm sure we'll continue to be.
>
>i do miss the times when i could spend an hour reading my ig list mail.  i
>loved the discussions when a new cd came out.  how we would all talk about
>all the songs and their meanings.  maybe we can get back to that.  but even
>if we don't, it's comforting to know that so many old friends (who are
>strangers really), are always out there.
>
>take care,
>mi rinda
>
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quoting michele curley <mida1@msn.com>:

> i=92m trying to remember the name of the great poster
> from oberlin college. i loved reading her posts.

that would be ms. jill certo, who is still alive and kicking last i heard, j=
ust
not as much online as she once was.


anna

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crosses my path, on behalf of the souls they never knew they saved."
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the following is the billboard review of "prom". if you want to read it
online, you can find it here:

http://shorl.com/fubajamopuvo

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"the uber-reliable indigo girls have made amy ray famous,
comfortable and able to produce solo albums on her own dime and
schedule, which must be nice, since on recent indigo records she's
sounded a bit like she's rattling around in a crate trying to tear the
earnest label off.

ray's always been good for the indigos' more coarser and consistently
interesting material, but on "prom," as she did on her solo debut, "stag,"
she's created a punk playground for her inner riot grrrl.

a semi-concept album about ray's calling cards -- aches for rebellious,
carefully doled-out anger and thorny sexual issues -- and staged mostly
in the wretched hive of high school among "all the punks and the queers
and the freaks and the smokers," the set's best material has a razor's
edge ("put it out for good" and "blender," both of which sport
powerfully hummable melodies) and a crackling eye for detail ("i am an
overachiever of the wrong persuasion, a pep rally kid, a new gender
nation with a new desire").

but ray leaves time for bouncy, strummer-tinged rockers like "driver
education," the best example of ray's optimistic, cockeyed alliances
with the outsider-types within. adding to the charm is the ragged
production, which may be a financial circumstance, but serves as a
perfect counterpoint to the record's smart, driven rawness."
___


kathrin

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so where do i begin?

i found the indigo girls in 1993/4 - good goddess i
can't even remember now...a friend made a mixed tape
for me and 3 songs in this order were included - romeo
and juliet, three hits, and galileo.  i was hooked -
and i swear that has made me the amy fan i am today.

i didn't really start getting to be a regular anywhere
until 1997 - when i first saw them live - and learned
that i could never let this part of my life go.

i joined the chat room on the old epic ig site.  there
was a bbs there as well. but goodness the group of us
that chatted, and chatted, and chatted.  it was around
that time that i found this list.  i met wonderful
amazing people through ig - one that i will never,
ever forget is diane (arle@hotmail.com).  diane is one
of the sweetest, kindest people i have ever met - and
we must find a way to get together sometime.  but i
digress.

i have signed off this list once or twice, but i
always come back.  when i am away i feel as though i
am missing something.  i love when people would post
local reviews or articles from where they live, or
some of the reviews of shows.

i love amy and emily for what they have given me and
taught me over the years without knowing it.  i have
learned to live, love, grieve and grow.  without a
certain person that i met through the chat room on the
epic site - an aussie who saved my life quite
literally.  one night shortly after my younger brother
had passed away i was very depressed and quite
suicidal.  she chatted with me online for hours.
until i finally agreed/promised that i was so tired
that i would just go to bed and email her when i woke
up.  i have been able to spend time with her in person
twice here in the u.s. and i am hopefully going to go
to australia to visit her next year.

i met my life partner because of ig, and because of
this list.  her friend was on this list and i chatted
with her briefly and met up with her at the show when
she introduced me to her friend dianne i knew
something would radically change about my life - and
it has.  i moved 5 hours away from my parents
(something i never thought i would do after my brother
died), i am working for an lgbt non-profit
organization, and am back in school with the goal of
opening my own music venue.  there is discussion of us
getting married and having children.

my life has really gone in a wonderful direction and i
can't tell you one thing that hasn't been greatly
influenced by the ig or the people i have met because
of my love and admiration of the ig.

one other thing that i have found because of ig is a
wealth of music that i wonder if i would have found
elsewise - or at least as easily.

so to all those folks out there who are intimate
strangers - bless you and may your lives be fruitful.
i hope that i will continue to meet the caliber of
people i have met, and i too will always wait after a
show, because what if one day no one waits, and the
girls decide to hang up their hats?!

peace and love,
          carrie

"my regrets become distractions when i cannot do them justice" -amy ray

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>  i'm trying to remember the name of the great poster
>from oberlin college. i loved reading her posts. do you know who i'm talking
>about?


jill certo - who will be something famous - i just hope it is something she
wants to be famous for...

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hi dudes and lasses, this is a super fun stroll down memory lane and i am so diggin it!

i have to say-- it makes me a sad susie the way this list gets a bad rap. i am in fact pretty sappyass sentimental, but it is true that i have met no fewer than five of my best irl friends on this list -- not to mention my beloved wife-to-be (seven years and goin strong, thanks in part to the fact that amy remains unattainable, and i have accepted it ;)).

i was a miserable, miserable person when i lived in new hampshire for five years from 96-2000, and i seriously do not think i would have made it through "the dark years" ( as i called them) without this list!

so while it may not be what it used to be, i owe so many things to it and to all of you-- friends and strangers, near and far, and the joy of loving the indigos when it stopped being cool to do so in 1989.

xxo
sus

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is list -- not to mention my beloved wife-to-be (seven years and goin stron=
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list! <br><br>so while it may not be what it used to be, i owe so many thin=
gs to it and to all of you-- friends and strangers, near and far, and the j=
oy of loving the indigos when it stopped being cool to do so in 1989. <br><=
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after 89, and esp. after they opened for rem, they lost the "tres hip band
of the moment" which in todays terms would be like the arcade fire or kings
of leon (who i guess suck live) sorta flavor of the times...not at all a
bad thing, just the way radio sorta works...

but then again - u2 has been doing songs they haven't played in 20+ years
this past week on tour...like most of boy...

*i know igirls name now....geraldine 8^)

(ahem...that's a joke)

mike r.

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