lifeblood: listlogs: 2005-04b


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date:         thu, 7 apr 2005 22:48:25 -0700
reply-to:     kate ranson-walsh <katerw@thinkradical.org>
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from:         kate ranson-walsh <katerw@thinkradical.org>
subject:      re: 90s list memories
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jumping out of lurkdom for a moment, i just had to add a couple listee
memories of my own, having hung around her for over a decade now. (time
sure does fly...)

> ... that greg flamer, dwayne jarrell and i actually road tripped
> with her part way to newport folk festival back in '95 ...

deb, your little note reminded me that i met you and greg (and others)
at the 1996 nff. i was 16 and wandering around on my own, meeting up
with listees. i remember that you all invited me to sit with you all,
up closer than i would have been. i still have many photos from then
(including some with one of my rubber ducks that used to travel
around.)

my other favorite list related memory was a couple of years later when
i moved to the university of virginia. the night before my first
college class the girls were playing on the suffragette sessions tour a
couple of hours away. i met another uva listee who offered to drive me
down to the show. coming home at 4am after an ig show... definitely the
best way to kick of my college career.

for all of the tips, tickets, tour info and suggestions of other
artists to listen to...
  thank you to everyone who has contributed to this list over the
years...

you kept me sane in high school, kept me company in college and still
keep me up to date.
kate rw

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date:         fri, 8 apr 2005 10:57:19 -0400
reply-to:     laura mclane <lmmclan@emory.edu>
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from:         laura mclane <lmmclan@emory.edu>
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i received my copy of prom yesterday from daemon!  i've only had a chance to
listen to the whole thing once but, from my first impression, it's awesome!  i
don't have favorites since i've only listened to it once but covered for you,
blender, and driver education stick out in my mind right now as being really
good--not that the others aren't.  i really like the lyrics for covered and
driver education makes me want to dance.  amy seems to have found a great
groove for this cd both lyrically and musically.  has anyone else gotten their
copy yet?  the pictures of amy throughout the cd book are interesting--i dig
the cover of the lyric book with the football uniform.  the other pictures are
funny/cool too although i have to say amy dressed up like a cheerleader is a
little frightening :)  also, she has a new tattoo (at least i haven't known
about it).  it is quite large and detailed with what looks like red and blue
feathers almost with green leaves and flowers.  it doesn't look like it's done
yet but her girlfriends name is at the top of it.  enough about the
pictures--it's a great album and i'm really excited to listen to it again and
again.  it's been a while since a new cd has gotten me excited and i don't
think prom will be disappointing in the least.

anyone else??

laura

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date:         fri, 8 apr 2005 10:57:41 -0400
reply-to:     subcityii@aol.com
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let's see, list memories hunh?

i became an ig fan because one day in 1989, i happened to see the "closer to fine" video on mtv. i think on the same day on vh-1 i saw the "i don't want a lover" video by the band texas and i am stilll an ardent fan of both groups.

i got my first computer around '93. i joined the ctf list, then i joined this list after the ctf list went to the great beyond. anyone here remember the ctf list? i remember i would access the list through my prodigy account and back then, i could still post information that nobody else knew, that is next to impossible now. i remember i posted lyrics to "new" songs like "shame on you" and i believe i was the first one to post that the name of the live album would be "1200 curfews".  i would alternate between the ctf list and the bulletin board on aol. i was the one who got aol to write "you are now closer to fine. amy ray + emily saliers=a grammy-winning duo" when you came to that board.

nowadays, information is gathered so quickly, info i post has already been mentioned. i also remember being on the receiving end of a few flame wars because being straight, i would not write a lgbt term properly and i was quite forcefully corrected.

the thing i still enjoy more than anything else is being able to trust the people on this board. coming here is like a security blanket. i love being able to trade videos of tv segements and tapes/cd's of shows. one of the best pieces of email i ever got was from someone who wrote that because of an ig video i sent, i was able to reunite a couple who had broken up and now live together. i was (and am) moved beyond words.

i love learning things about your community i could never learn being the weird straight guy in the lesbian bar asking questions. i like to think over the years i've given as good as i've received.

i don't know what the future holds, but i know it is not so scary knowing i can face it with all of you. one time, somebody asked me why i worked so hard because of this list, why i made items and sent them all over the world. my answer came from an amy song:

when i was young
my people taught me well
give back what you take
or you'll go to hell

-scott w.

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date:         fri, 8 apr 2005 15:13:43 +0000
reply-to:     tom xxxxx <getula@hotmail.com>
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from:         tom xxxxx <getula@hotmail.com>
subject:      ar+es=ig
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hey folks,

thanks to all of you who posted the link to the bbs. i appreciate it. i
haven't checked them out yet, but i plan. fear not, i won't abandon this
list.

next favor to ask: i've seen this cool bumper sticker before that goes
something like "ar+es=ig." i really want one. do you folks know where i can
get one? if you have a spare, i'll gladly send you a couple of bucks for it.
if you know of a site where i can get bumper stickers made, that would be
great. i have this fantasy of having a bumper sticker made that just has on
it the tori amos line "i believe in peace, bitch."

could i look all this stuff up myself? certainly. but then i wouldn't be
interacting with all of you swell people. plus, some of you may know this
stuff off the top of your heads, saving me considerable time. and, when i
know something, i chime in. it's a nice exchange.

ok. rambling to avoid getting back to work. have a happy indigo day!

tom m.
(3 days to tori! ack!)

"can you mr. bush light the sage"
--- tori amos, "indian summer"

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date:         fri, 8 apr 2005 11:19:22 -0400
reply-to:     kellie czajkowski <kmsc3@hotmail.com>
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from:         kellie czajkowski <kmsc3@hotmail.com>
subject:      re: ar+es=ig
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i have been looking for one of those bumper stickers myself, if someone
knows where to find one, could they post it on the list?
thanks!
kellie

>from: tom xxxxx <getula@hotmail.com>
>reply-to: tom xxxxx <getula@hotmail.com>
>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
>subject: ar+es=ig
>date: fri, 8 apr 2005 15:13:43 +0000
>
>hey folks,
>
>thanks to all of you who posted the link to the bbs. i appreciate it. i
>haven't checked them out yet, but i plan. fear not, i won't abandon this
>list.
>
>next favor to ask: i've seen this cool bumper sticker before that goes
>something like "ar+es=ig." i really want one. do you folks know where i can
>get one? if you have a spare, i'll gladly send you a couple of bucks for
>it.
>if you know of a site where i can get bumper stickers made, that would be
>great. i have this fantasy of having a bumper sticker made that just has on
>it the tori amos line "i believe in peace, bitch."
>
>could i look all this stuff up myself? certainly. but then i wouldn't be
>interacting with all of you swell people. plus, some of you may know this
>stuff off the top of your heads, saving me considerable time. and, when i
>know something, i chime in. it's a nice exchange.
>
>ok. rambling to avoid getting back to work. have a happy indigo day!
>
>tom m.
>(3 days to tori! ack!)
>
>"can you mr. bush light the sage"
>--- tori amos, "indian summer"
>
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date:         fri, 8 apr 2005 12:09:32 -0400
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sorry to waste space here--
if there is anyone to whom i agreed to send the article but who has not heard from me today, please e-mail the other address i gave you to let me know.
thanks,

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date:         fri, 8 apr 2005 13:24:14 -0400
reply-to:     mike reynolds <mike@uppity-disability.net>
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from:         mike reynolds <mike@uppity-disability.net>
subject:      re: ar+es=ig
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cafepress.com does single run personalized items now...somewhat pricey - a
little corporate (anyone know of a similar grassroots type thing???)

that line from tori's the waitress is one of my favorites. i sooo had (well
still sorta do) a tori amos phase - she played my college on the utp tour
and when i was greiving over the death of my best friend, someone handed me
a tape of little earthquakes...about 200 bucks later in import cds and
boots - i heard my first live version of winter...oh my gosh. seeing her
perform a rather unique utp set was a highlight...

but i am not as obsessive as some ears with feet...

(least not about tori, mention my writer/friend/ the man known as john
hockenberry and well, that's a whole new level of ocd...i have
criss-crossed continents to see him do book readings of book i had already
heard read. have emailed people to bootleg him, have sent packages with
friends who were going to see him speak with the instructions "say it's
from mike reynolds, he'll know who you are...and probably pity you...)

not even mentioning raising several thousand dollars to have him speak at
my college, putting him up for awards that he wins, and instead of
thinking"it's good he won that award" wondering"what am i going to wear
when he accepts the award, and will it be suitable for dinner after..."

ocd: not necessarily a bad thing...

jilly certo would soooooooooooo understand this...i miss jillyc.....

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date:         fri, 8 apr 2005 13:38:12 -0400
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actually the only one i have ever seen and been on this list since early 90...is a+e= ig

and yes there are a lot of folks who dont come here anymore.
i miss em too...i dont get to come here as i used to...or would like to..

i remmy too many boot trades. the t shirts, the stickers, all of it....

sparkie....

-----original message-----
from: tom xxxxx <getula@hotmail.com>
to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
sent: fri, 8 apr 2005 15:13:43 +0000
subject: ar+es=ig


hey folks,

thanks to all of you who posted the link to the bbs. i appreciate it. i
haven't checked them out yet, but i plan. fear not, i won't abandon this
list.

next favor to ask: i've seen this cool bumper sticker before that goes
something like "ar+es=ig." i really want one. do you folks know where i can
get one? if you have a spare, i'll gladly send you a couple of bucks for it.
if you know of a site where i can get bumper stickers made, that would be
great. i have this fantasy of having a bumper sticker made that just has on
it the tori amos line "i believe in peace, bitch."

could i look all this stuff up myself? certainly. but then i wouldn't be
interacting with all of you swell people. plus, some of you may know this
stuff off the top of your heads, saving me considerable time. and, when i
know something, i chime in. it's a nice exchange.

ok. rambling to avoid getting back to work. have a happy indigo day!

tom m.
(3 days to tori! ack!)

"can you mr. bush light the sage"
--- tori amos, "indian summer"

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date:         fri, 8 apr 2005 15:05:20 -0400
reply-to:     marybpost@comcast.net
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from:         mary post <marybpost@comcast.net>
subject:      re: ar+es=ig
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hi,
i've been with this list since the early 90's and still enjoy it.  we
did a lot of trading, tshirts and the stickers.  it would be easy to get
the stickers back again.  they don't really cost that much if you go
through some place like sticker monkey - or i know some places that have
a lot of cheap or shall i say inexpensive stickers i also know of
inexpensive t-shirt places too.

there have been many reasons why i have not been active on the list as a
writer vs a lurker and one of the biggest is because i am now working as
a dj at a public radio station, i am also working full-time, have become
a independent music promoter.  so i am wearing many hats.  being on the
list kind of primed me for that because we would talk about other
artists.  i've even used this list to promote concerts - in fact some
people from this list bought tickets from me when ig came to delaware.

anyway, lists are fluid because we all move through out lives and go
through different stages - however there are somethings that stay the
same at least for me:
- i love music and music heals me
- i have not been let down by the indigo girls as a group or as
individuals yet
- their music has introduced me to many other musicians and people

i feel blessed that i am able to make choices of who i listen to and
that there are so many incredible musicians out there.

take care y'all - if you want pointers on where to get good deals on
stickers or t-shirts let me know.
mary.

sp4rkie1@aol.com wrote:

>actually the only one i have ever seen and been on this list since early 90...is a+e= ig
>
>and yes there are a lot of folks who dont come here anymore.
>i miss em too...i dont get to come here as i used to...or would like to..
>
>i remmy too many boot trades. the t shirts, the stickers, all of it....
>
>sparkie....
>
>-----original message-----
>from: tom xxxxx <getula@hotmail.com>
>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
>sent: fri, 8 apr 2005 15:13:43 +0000
>subject: ar+es=ig
>
>
>hey folks,
>
>thanks to all of you who posted the link to the bbs. i appreciate it. i
>haven't checked them out yet, but i plan. fear not, i won't abandon this
>list.
>
>next favor to ask: i've seen this cool bumper sticker before that goes
>something like "ar+es=ig." i really want one. do you folks know where i can
>get one? if you have a spare, i'll gladly send you a couple of bucks for it.
>if you know of a site where i can get bumper stickers made, that would be
>great. i have this fantasy of having a bumper sticker made that just has on
>it the tori amos line "i believe in peace, bitch."
>
>could i look all this stuff up myself? certainly. but then i wouldn't be
>interacting with all of you swell people. plus, some of you may know this
>stuff off the top of your heads, saving me considerable time. and, when i
>know something, i chime in. it's a nice exchange.
>
>ok. rambling to avoid getting back to work. have a happy indigo day!
>
>tom m.
>(3 days to tori! ack!)
>
>"can you mr. bush light the sage"
>--- tori amos, "indian summer"
>
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date:         fri, 8 apr 2005 12:47:53 -0700
reply-to:     carrie knepp <indigocaz@yahoo.com>
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from:         carrie knepp <indigocaz@yahoo.com>
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well, i haven't gotten my cd yet, but i have heard a
number of the songs - both studio/available for
download and boots of live stuff.

i have to say i am a huge fan of the live stuff.  i'm
not sure how i feel about the studio stuff.  on my
first listen - i was like what the hell did she do to
these really great songs that i have been listening
to.  although i know there are alot of people out
there who really like the studio stuff.  i am going to
reserve final judgement until i actually get the whole
cd and have time to listen to it thoroughly.

there are downloads of the live stuff at
www.indigovortex.com as well as a scan of the promo
poster - which has amy dressed up in all the different
outfits - which amy as a cheerleader, and amy in the
prom dress quite frankly i find a little
disturbing...lol...

cheers,
    carrie
--- laura mclane <lmmclan@emory.edu> wrote:
> i received my copy of prom yesterday from daemon!
> i've only had a chance to
> listen to the whole thing once but, from my first
> impression, it's awesome!  i
> don't have favorites since i've only listened to it
> once but covered for you,
> blender, and driver education stick out in my mind
> right now as being really
> good--not that the others aren't.  i really like the
> lyrics for covered and
> driver education makes me want to dance.  amy seems
> to have found a great
> groove for this cd both lyrically and musically.
> has anyone else gotten their
> copy yet?  the pictures of amy throughout the cd
> book are interesting--i dig
> the cover of the lyric book with the football
> uniform.  the other pictures are
> funny/cool too although i have to say amy dressed up
> like a cheerleader is a
> little frightening :)  also, she has a new tattoo
> (at least i haven't known
> about it).  it is quite large and detailed with what
> looks like red and blue
> feathers almost with green leaves and flowers.  it
> doesn't look like it's done
> yet but her girlfriends name is at the top of it.
> enough about the
> pictures--it's a great album and i'm really excited
> to listen to it again and
> again.  it's been a while since a new cd has gotten
> me excited and i don't
> think prom will be disappointing in the least.
>
> anyone else??
>
> laura
>
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date:         fri, 8 apr 2005 11:27:18 -1000
reply-to:     klasiu@hawaii.rr.com
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hmm...what's up with the writing at billboard magazine? more coarser? is
that something like more gooder?  i'm not a grammar expert, but that phrase
doesn't sound right to me...any english majors on the list care to weigh in?
at least it was a positive review :>)

k

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sent: thursday, april 07, 2005 3:13 pm
subject: "prom" billdboard review


> ray's always been good for the indigos' more coarser and consistently
> interesting material,

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date:         fri, 8 apr 2005 12:48:48 -1000
reply-to:     klasiu@hawaii.rr.com
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a few of my fondest list memories:

1. the on the road to austin video compilation tape...who put this together...was it sunny?..i can't remember.  i got to see a lot of stuff i hadn't seen before on this video.

2. i remember checking my list mail everyday, and being able to live vicariously through listers that posted concert reviews. being stuck in indigo-less hawaii really sucked big time. i'd read the reviews and hope that i'd be able to see them live one day...i finally did at the hard rock cafe in las vegas a few years back...yay!

3. the "beige ceiling" thing...not the events that lead to the development of that term, but the term itself.

4. the list gifts to amy and emily on their respective b-days.  i recall the year when the list presented one of them...i can't remember who (i know, my lack specifics are astounding)...with a scroll that listed the number of hours and organizations that each list member volunteered time at in their community.  i think there was also a letter that explained how the girls' music inspired the list member's to become active in their own communities.  i know there are other people on the list that remember this project with more detail than i've been able to muster.

5. finding other ig fans in hawaii through the list!!


k - list member since 19??
*fondly meandering down memory lane*

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i only joined the list in 1998, so i can't claim to have too many 90s memories.  for me, the greatest thing to come out of this association (other than the great news and entertaining flame wars) was a mid-october show in 1999 at the beacon theater in new york where i met in person the lovely gentleman who is now my fiance.  when we asked a few years back, we were the only long-term couple to have met because of the list.  are there others?


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sent: fri, 8 apr 2005 12:48:48 -1000
subject: re: 90's list memories


a few of my fondest list memories:

1. the on the road to austin video compilation tape...who put this
together...was it sunny?..i can't remember.  i got to see a lot of stuff i
hadn't seen before on this video.

2. i remember checking my list mail everyday, and being able to live vicariously
through listers that posted concert reviews. being stuck in indigo-less hawaii
really sucked big time. i'd read the reviews and hope that i'd be able to see
them live one day...i finally did at the hard rock cafe in las vegas a few years
back...yay!

3. the "beige ceiling" thing...not the events that lead to the development of
that term, but the term itself.

4. the list gifts to amy and emily on their respective b-days.  i recall the
year when the list presented one of them...i can't remember who (i know, my lack
specifics are astounding)...with a scroll that listed the number of hours and
organizations that each list member volunteered time at in their community.  i
think there was also a letter that explained how the girls' music inspired the
list member's to become active in their own communities.  i know there are other
people on the list that remember this project with more detail than i've been
able to muster.

5. finding other ig fans in hawaii through the list!!


k - list member since 19??
*fondly meandering down memory lane*

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mary post <marybpost@comcast.net>wrote:-

>i love music and music heals me
- i have not been let down by the indigo girls as a group or as
individuals yet
- their music has introduced me to many other musicians and people>

that just about sums it up for me, too - thanks mary :)

peace,
eileen

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>from: "k. asiu" <klasiu@hawaii.rr.com>
>reply-to: klasiu@hawaii.rr.com
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>subject: re: "prom" billdboard review
>date: fri, 8 apr 2005 11:27:18 -1000
>
>hmm...what's up with the writing at billboard magazine? more coarser? is
>that something like more gooder?  i'm not a grammar expert, but that phrase
>doesn't sound right to me...any english majors on the list care to weigh
>in?
>at least it was a positive review :>)
>
>k

yeah - 'coarser' is a comparative, already means 'more coarse', so just
choose one form or the other, don't mix 'em. breaks my grammar-loving heart
:)

looking forward to getting my copy of prom...

peace,
eileen
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>sent: thursday, april 07, 2005 3:13 pm
>subject: "prom" billdboard review
>
>
> > ray's always been good for the indigos' more coarser and consistently
> > interesting material,
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yep, it sounds akward to me too.  you could say "coarser" or even "more coarse"
but to put the two together is grammatically incorrect.

btw... i'm loving the list memories thread.  i have been on the list for 5
years and still love my "melbourne wrecking crew" tshirt to death (even if it
has been retired to pyjamas now!).

eagerly anticipating receiving prom...
~wistaria

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> date:    fri, 8 apr 2005 11:27:18 -1000
> from:    "k. asiu" <klasiu@hawaii.rr.com>
> subject: re: "prom" billdboard review
>
> hmm...what's up with the writing at billboard magazine? more coarser? is
> that something like more gooder?  i'm not a grammar expert, but that phrase
> doesn't sound right to me...any english majors on the list care to weigh in?
> at least it was a positive review :>)
>

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i met my partner of 4 1/2 years.  there is talk of
marriage and children for us.  woohoo!


--- laura whitlock <poohbea487@aol.com> wrote:
> i only joined the list in 1998, so i can't claim to
> have too many 90s memories.  for me, the greatest
> thing to come out of this association (other than
> the great news and entertaining flame wars) was a
> mid-october show in 1999 at the beacon theater in
> new york where i met in person the lovely gentleman
> who is now my fiance.  when we asked a few years
> back, we were the only long-term couple to have met
> because of the list.  are there others?
>
>
> -----original message-----
> from: k. asiu <klasiu@hawaii.rr.com>
> to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
> sent: fri, 8 apr 2005 12:48:48 -1000
> subject: re: 90's list memories
>
>
> a few of my fondest list memories:
>
> 1. the on the road to austin video compilation
> tape...who put this
> together...was it sunny?..i can't remember.  i got
> to see a lot of stuff i
> hadn't seen before on this video.
>
> 2. i remember checking my list mail everyday, and
> being able to live vicariously
> through listers that posted concert reviews. being
> stuck in indigo-less hawaii
> really sucked big time. i'd read the reviews and
> hope that i'd be able to see
> them live one day...i finally did at the hard rock
> cafe in las vegas a few years
> back...yay!
>
> 3. the "beige ceiling" thing...not the events that
> lead to the development of
> that term, but the term itself.
>
> 4. the list gifts to amy and emily on their
> respective b-days.  i recall the
> year when the list presented one of them...i can't
> remember who (i know, my lack
> specifics are astounding)...with a scroll that
> listed the number of hours and
> organizations that each list member volunteered time
> at in their community.  i
> think there was also a letter that explained how the
> girls' music inspired the
> list member's to become active in their own
> communities.  i know there are other
> people on the list that remember this project with
> more detail than i've been
> able to muster.
>
> 5. finding other ig fans in hawaii through the
> list!!
>
>
> k - list member since 19??
> *fondly meandering down memory lane*
>
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hi,

i'm really enjoying everyone's list memories - particularly the repost of
the christmas gifts.  i always thought the amy alarm clock was a
particularly inspired idea!

i joined the list in 1998, so i don't have early 90s memories of it.  i've
not posted very often, but i've nevertheless enjoyed being part of a
community of ig fans and reading all the show reviews and discussions and
music recommendations - i've discovered so much good music just because
someone on this list recommended it.

the thing i like most about this list is how many truly kind people there
are here.  people spend hours copying boots or going out of their way to
get extra copies of cds or magazines for people.

it's really something!

amanda.

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i can't even remember how long i've been a member of this list, but
it's been at least 15 years, probably more.  i've been frustrated with
the increasing silence, and have tried to start a couple of threads in
recent months which haven't really gone anywhere, but oh well.
regardless, i treasure this small community of like-minded people.
it's the only mailing list i still subscribe to (after nearly 25 years
online), largely because, underneath all the cruft and chatter, there
are gems of insight into real life.

i haven't met many people from the list, other than ryan in seattle
(thanks again for the bumbershoot boot!), and as a gay male, i feel
more than a little out of place here sometimes, what with all the
comments about wanting to "do" amy and such.  i've always appreciated
the respect this list has for the privacy of a and e, and how
discussion has largely remained within the bounds of propriety.

the presence of ig has been a huge bonding factor for my partner and i,
who have been together for over 12 (sometimes rocky) years.  we always
go see the girls together when they're close enough to reach easily.
(they never seem to play cities i actually live in.  *grumble*)  in
fact, i've had to twist his arm quite a bit to get him to go with me to
see u2 in seattle in a couple of weeks, who are one of the most dynamic
live acts imaginable.  but, when we found out ig are playing the
seattle summer nights series again this year, he made the suggestion we
get tickets.

i've had some remarkable moments at ig shows, like the time in santa fe
during their map tour (writing the songs for sots), and a huge
thunderstorm came blowing over the outdoor venue, and the girls
commented, as the rain came down and the lightening came closer that
"they'd learned a lot of new instruments lately, most of them made of
metal."  or the only acoustic performance of shed your skin i've ever
seen, where amy made the hair stand up on the back of my head as she
gestured around the concert hall to the line "i've got milagro, i've
got this celebration too."

this list has brought the only bootlegs of ig i have into my life,
including 4 of the ig rarities discs, which are truly treasures of
mine.  more than once i've had their version of uncle john's band sneak
up on me and reduce me to tears, realizing how much i long to find
people who are "kind" and who realize that time is, indeed, short.

i guess what it all means to me is, this is the only online community i
participate in which continues to have direct impact on my life, even
if that impact has lessened over the years, and i treasure each and
every post, even the ones i don't feel relate to me very strongly. over
the years, i recognize members' names, and while i don't know many (if
any) of you, there's something comforting in knowing we're all still
here, together, sharing a passion for intelligent music and sharing how
that can change lives, even in small ways.

thank you, all of you, for being!

-graham ames
hippybear@bigfoot.com

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date:         sun, 10 apr 2005 19:15:19 +0200
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hi,

been listening to a live version of put it out for good and if anyone was
looking for the chords to that, my guess so far is this:

capo 2
chord progression: bm, g, a, g

happy strummin',

kathrin

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this has been a real nostalgia lane rush for me. i don't really come out
of the woodwork to post much these days but still read all the messages
on a regular basis. i have personally met so many wonderful people from
this list over the years like lisa schreihart, lisa dupre, barb & twink,
indigo kate, bettyanne nagy, bethany ward, carol (oyster toadfish),
karen rosenblum,  lisa tatonetti, anna creech, karrie bowen, shannon &
bethany & lisa (weenracer)& lamia & rick hodgin & of course,... jill
certo, ... who by the way coined the term indigohio. i know there are a
lot more that i just can't think of right now being a bear of very
little brain and all. life changes and you get busier. :)

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i've just been havin a ball these past few days reading everyone's memories.
i just have to tell a recent story about finally meeting one of the girls. i
had posted a few days ago because i was feeling guilty that i hadn't posted
about meeting amy after their concert on march 22 this year at the scottish
rite auditorium in collingwood, nj.

collingswood is a "small town-like" suburb of philadelphia. in fact, my
father spent many years of his young life living in collingswood and he
knows the venue which was built in the 1930's by the freemasons. it's a very
small venue, about the size of a large high school auditorium with lots of
stained windows and a fantastic ceiling with more stained glass and old
light fixtures. there isn't a bad seat in the house.

girlyman opened the show and as everyone has said they were fantastic,
jordan and i loved them and they received the best response i've ever seen
an audience give a warm up group. i can't wait to go to their cd release
party they are having next month at the world cafe live in philly.

it was an aucostic show from amy and emily and they were both in fine voice
and played a fantastic set list. the crowd being from the philly area was
boisterous and yelled out to them when they first came on the stage, "i love
you" and amy replied, "i don't know what to say." then someone yelled (later
when amy was onstage to do driver education) "i want to have your baby" and
then amy really didn't know what to say but the audience cracked up just
looking at the expression on her face.

girlyman joined them on several numbers and all 5 of them ended with an
acapella "finlandia", a song i had heard about from this list but never
downloaded. in fact i didn't even know the name of the final song, just that
it had moved me to tears. someone posted a setlist somewhere on the internet
so i learned it was "finlandia" and i was able to download it.
it was without a doubt one of the very best shows i've ever seen them do.

we got out of the venue quickly and as we were walking to the car we easily
saw the tour bus with just one person standing in front of it. jordan and i
decided to walk over. we had never tried before to meet any of the girls or
crew after other shows over the years, mainly because jordan was too young
and the hour was too late. the other person in front of the bus was a young
girl from north jersey who had a painting she had done of the girls. she
told us she had met them both before and had previously given them a
painting she had done of the cover of rop. we told her we were really
nervous and she said, "don't worry, they are really sweet"

in just a few minutes, i saw someone walk up along the bus to the side of
us, jordan and melanie (the painter fan) didn't notice and i was too shy to
say anything so i leaned over to melanie and whispered, "that's amy".
melanie said loudly "hey amy" and amy put her hand up and replied, "i'll be
right back."

we watched get on the bus and make a cup of tea. in a few minutes she came
back out and took melanie's painting, said to her, "of course i remember
you" when melanie asked if she did. then i proceeded to proudly introduce my
son jordan and i was able to tell her he has been a big fan since he first
saw them at a concert when he was seven. she put her hand out to shake his
hand but he shook his head no, and said, "i don't want to get you sick, i'm
getting over a cold". she looked a little taken aback for a second and then
grinned and proceeded to sign our brand new ig shirts we had bought just
before the concert. i said to amy, "i'll see you april 15th!" because i have
tickets for her solo show she is playing in philly. by that time a crowd had
gathered around us and we moved out of the way so other people could have a
turn. the security guards came along and started gesturing everyone to get
back away from the bus. we never saw emily but we figured we were way lucky
and walked to our car on cloud nine!

the shirt i bought was a white one from atwli. i try to avoid white shirts
because i'm a klutz and always drop junk on them and stain them but of
course white is great because now i can easily see amy's autograph on the
back of my shirt (right shoulder).

i wore it for the first time this past saturday night to a big (and really
fun) party in philly. as i was standing outside talking with some folks and
my husband, i was sipping some red wine. i hate beer, when everyone else in
high school was grabbing a six pack i always had my tiny bottle of boone's
farms. well, you can picture what happened next even though i was being very
careful. my husband (as he often does, i should have known) said something
funny just as i took a sip of my wine and i blew red wine out of my mouth as
a totally involuntary reaction and of course all down the front of my shirt!

i ran to the bathroom, none of the wine rinsed out but the good news is that
clorox bleach pens are the best invention of the 21st century (so far) and
it got every stain out! the shirt looks perfect and i'll be wearing it this
friday night at the northstar bar watching amy play her new album and
grinning ear to ear (and drinking gin and tonic)!

this is probably the longest post i've ever written since i subscribed to
this list in 1996.

i can't wait for prom (i think mine arrives on wed) !!!!

l.

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in a message dated 4/8/2005 10:14:15 a.m. central daylight time,
getula@hotmail.com writes:

next favor to ask: i've seen this cool bumper sticker before that goes
something like "ar+es=ig."


i think that someone on the list made up a bunch of clear "a+e=ig" stickers a
while ago.  i bought five and have just used up the last one (boy, we go
through cars around here!).  many people have asked me about it, so i have been
able to spread the indigo love in a fun, kind of stealth way!  and everybody who
knows me can always identify my car by the sticker :-).  also, i have a small
feminist theatre company and always put "a+e=ig" as the tagline in my program
bios.  the people who know get a kick out of it, and those who don't --wonder!

pam

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<html><body><p><font size=3d2 style=3d"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-se=
rif">with help from another listee, i came up with those bumpers. glad they=
got such a good response!</font></p>
<p><font face=3darial size=3d2>and for the record they said "i+g=3dig" it l=
ooks so much like an algebraic equation!</font></p>
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interview with amy ray
by gregg shapiro, april 11, 2005

amy ray of the indigo girls talks about her new solo album, prom, coming of age in high school, and the repercussions of being an openly gay musician.

http://www.afterellen.com/music/2005/4/amyray.html


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hey folks,

a little bird tells me that a&e appear on the new big fish ensemble
album "raze the duds", singing on "(what's so funny about) peace,
love & understanding".  the album just came out last week.

you can read an article about bfe & the new album from stomp
and stammer, at (long url, should be all on one line) -
http://www.stompandstammer.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=64&itemid=1

cheers,
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big fish had a cd release party friday night in atlanta. it was great fun to see them again! we bought the cd but haven't had time to listen to it yet...
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first: please form your own impressions before you read anybody else's.  (my only reason for posting my "review" as soon as it's come out is that i want to make a note of my own reactions before they get affected by what everybody else thinks.)

i was really apprehensive about the fact that the primary backup band was 1945.  they are far from my favorite -- in fact, i kind of can't stand them.  thankfully, katharine mcelroy's voice is buried and muted enough that it's not the distraction i was expecting it to be.  there are a lot of different backing vocals on this cd, especially danielle howle, who has a great sounding voice, and amy herself seems to be doing some of her own harmony vocals as well.

glad we got a lyrics booklet this time -- it was a disappointment that stag didn't have one.  the different high school character photos are hysterical.  the nerd with the shirt buttoned all the way to the top is my favorite.  here and there the words don't match exactly to what she's singing -- nothing important, just tenses or prepositions and such -- but that's still a real peeve.  how can they get that wrong?  is the lead time for producing the booklet longer than recording the tracks?  i guess that must be the reason but i always "hate it when that happens".

put it out for good -- the first two strums make me think of "shame on you" but that goes away.  nice enough song and nice enough arrangement.  not sure there's much original anybody can say about high school life; everybody feels "different" like they're not really being understood, even the most popular kids.  (see appropriate john hughes movie here.)  geez, even amy herself was president of her class -- she was no outsider in high school.  this one'll be nice to hear live but it won't stay with me over the long haul.

driver education -- this one sounds better live.  the studio track feels like it's in too much of a hurry, like there's too many syllables stuffed into each phrase.  i was too much of a junior achiever to feel much of a connection to this lyric.  i'm sure we had kids who felt excluded (and maybe to the point of being suicidal, but i doubt it).  back then, kids like that just seemed to me like ones who couldn't (or didn't want to put in the effort to) do well in class and rebelled by trying to be "weird" as a way to compensate.  (i went to a very preppy private school, though.  there weren't a lot of that, really.)  another one that won't stay with me.

rural faggot -- way to fuck up a fantastic song/track with an inaccessible title.  she could have named this song a lot of other things that would have invited more people to listen to it.  this way is certainly attention-grabbing, but such a glorious track deserves better.  great guitar sound.  the lyric reminds me of an indie movie called "the mudge boy" if anybody's seen that.  i guess she thinks she redeemed it in the end with a hopeful ending, but the bulk of the lyric (and that movie that it reminds me of) seems more depressing than hopeful.  i don't know.  i guess i'm waiting for another paradigm beyond "we have to rise about the way nature made us".  the "solution" / "happy ending" the lyric offers is to escape the country and make it to the more accepting big city.  i need a bigger solution than that.  escape isn't triumph.  still, a beautiful track -- the best one on the whole cd -- with a lousy-ass title.

give in -- probably the weakest track of all.  the arrangement is just thrashing, not interesting at all.  the lyric feels like half a conversation and you need to hear the other half to know what it really means.  this one does nothing for me.

covered for you -- the best song on the whole thing.  nice enough arrangement but this one sounds just as good solo acoustic.  very pretty melody that segues into the chorus.  um, for the record, everybody didn't cut themselves in high school.  i never even heard of such a thing for years.  this song actually sounds like something you'd dance to at a prom.  very nice.

blender -- the peppy punk arrangement is nice enough.  the lyric suggests an "i've got the solution" pose, but clearly she don't.  one of the things i always found most disappointing (but not surprising) about ig was that as much as they talk about (and amy especially) being anti-sexism and anti-racism, as much as i could ever tell, there wasn't anything particularly diverse about the set of people they surrounded themselves with.  when i first heard that a group from atlanta had "made it" to mtv, the first thing i looked for was what was the make up of the people in their first video (which you knew would be just all their friends).  sure enough, it was all white people.  (atlanta's 60% black mind you, and if you take this lyric literally, amy was part of the "m-to-m" (majority-to-minority) busing program that aimed to desegregate the atlanta public schools.  but certainly it didn't result in 60% of her friends being black.)  real diversity is really hard to pull off, and yo
u have to actively seek to create it on an on-going basis (because everybody just wants to hang with their own narrowly defined "own kind").  it's a problem i haven't seen anybody solve.  i guess talking about the problem is worth something, but it's a long way from figuring out how to solve it (or live it).  the track is probably better than the song is live.  nice energy, but not a total success.

sober girl -- this is a really personal lyric and the loud arrangement doesn't seem to fit it very well.  the melody doesn't really go anywhere.  the lyric is the most interesting thing about it.  not much you can do with it, though.  it's a conversation starter for a conversation you won't ever get to have.

pennies on the track -- another one where the lyric is so specific there's not much you can do with it.  not much of a melody to hang onto, either.

rodeo -- the sparse arrangement of this track pointed out something to me that i hadn't thought about before: amy's voice doesn't sound like a 40-year-old -- it's very girlish in a way i can't put my finger on.  a very nice song, lyric and the solo acoustic arrangement fits it very well.  i don't quite get what "a calf with sewn-on horns" means.  i've been to a handful of rodeos, but not enough to get that reference.  "a prize waitin' on her at the rodeo" doesn't quite make sense to me, either.  i think of the rodeo as roping calves and riding horses and bulls, but "prize" seems more like a reference to a blue ribbon prize an animal might win at an auction or a fair.  maybe it's all the same.  very pretty.  this one will always sound good (but i bet it's one that will get retired if the underlying sentiment changes -- like we never hear "blood and fire" or "fugitive" anymore).

let it ring -- of all the songs i'd heard live beforehand, this was my favorite (but it's been replaced by "rural faggot").  i don't totally love it when amy writes declarative anthems but for what it is, it works very well.  nice melody.  nice sarcastic tone and triumphant arrangement that belies the cutting lyric.  the sentiment isn't completely what my own take would be.  (i'm quite anti-religion altogether but nobody seems to be strong enough to completely let go of the need to be told what to believe in.)  pretty good.

overall, this is a solid companion piece to stag.  not necessarily better or worse.  trading the butchies for 1945 didn't turn out as bad as i was dreading.  long-term keepers will be "rural faggot", "covered for you", "rodeo" and "let it ring".

i've always thought the best moment to hear any artist was on the tour behind their second album.  it's just enough material to fill out a full show and for them to play most every song you know and want to hear.  i thought the stag tour sets were too short and left me wanting more.  this one should be just right.  can't wait!

-- ron

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hey folks,

sorry this is a bit late (i'm a few days behind).  this is an article
about amy from the athens banner-herald on april 7; you can read it
online at
http://onlineathens.com/stories/040705/ent_20050407015.shtml.

cheers,
sherlyn

---begin forwarded article---
all dressed up ...
amy ray revisits high school issues on 'prom'

by julie phillips
julie.phillips@onlineathens.com


on her sophomore solo release "prom," amy ray fearlessly delves into
the formative years of high school. what results is an excellent rock
album that easily manages, like her previous release, "stag" (2001),
to showcase ray as a solo artist outside her better-known identity as
one-half of folk-rock heroes the indigo girls.

"this wasn't as much a therapeutic experience (as writing 'stag'),"
she says. "it was more about things i already knew about myself and
looking at why and how i got there - and it's about how other people
get there, to where they are in their lives (as adults)."

in high school, we find the archetypal roles, she says. "the outsider
who's actually the leader, the loser, the freak, the nerd. ... we have
these images and somewhere in there, we find ourselves. and
eventually, from there, we break out and grow."

but breaking out and growing requires a certain amount of courage -
something that comes out both in the hard-driving rock of songs like
"blender" and throughout much of the album's lyrical content.

in "rural faggot," for instance, she portrays a young man who's gay
but not yet able to come to terms with himself: "and your daddy asks
me/'when is he gonna be a man?'/i know you want to change the truth/we
were made by nature's fools/so you ride all night long/with your boys
in those muscle cars ... and laugh at the faggots/until the girls look
pretty and/until you feel strong ..."

though ray had intended to work with birmingham-based punk rockers the
butchies on this album, as she'd worked with the band on "stag," the
band was on the road, and it just didn't work out. "it was a difficult
decision (to make the album without them) because they were a big part
of what motivated me to make ('stag') and i really missed them. but i
don't like to repeat myself," she says, adding she likes how "prom"
turned out.

musicians on the album include bass player jody bleyle (team dresch),
who ray describes as "one of my favorite musicians," as well as
bleyle's bandmate donna dresch on electric guitar on several songs;
birmingham's nineteen forty-five members katharine mcelroy, hunter
manasco and will lochamy; kate schellenbach (beastie boys, luscious
jackson); atlanta's brandon bush and michelle malone; and danielle
howle. athens musicians andy lemaster (now it's overhead) and david
barbe, who mixed the album at his chase park transduction studios in
athens, also appear on the album.

athens has been familiar territory of late - promoting "prom" brings
ray back to the 40 watt club tuesday - a month after a sold-out indigo
girls show there. playing solo with her band, she says, is a different
experience all around. "it's a pretty much break-even venture," she
says of her do-it-yourself approach. "but it's nice to have a change
sometimes."

amy ray
gretchen phillips and friends, athens boys choir
when: doors open 8:30 p.m. tuesday, april 12
where: 40 watt club, 285 w. washington st.
cost: $12 in advance
call: (706) 549-7871

published in the athens banner-herald on thursday, april 7, 2005

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hey folks,

here's a review of "prom" from the new york post.  read it online at:
http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/42448.htm

cheers,
sherlyn

---begin forwarded article---
amy ray - "prom"
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april 10, 2005 -- amy ray
"prom"

3 stars

daemon records

who said, "everything you need to know to get through life you learn
in high school"? actually, that was me, but amy ray, half of the
famous indigo girls, reiterates the notion on her second solo album,
"prom."

leaving her acoustic guitar in the closet and her folk croon in the
coffeehouse, ray creates rock that lies between the whip-smart lash of
r.e.m. and the country sass of tom petty's heartbreakers.

the music smartly dovetails with the lyrics that fathom hormone howls
and rebel yells.

ancient ray did herself proud in remembering both the whines and roses
of being young.

she does fall off the horse a bit with the song "rodeo," and is
completely flat for "pennies on the track," but fortunately, the
remaining eight tunes range form good to excellent.

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hey folks,

another "prom" review, this one from the chicago sun-times (online at
http://www.suntimes.com/output/rock/sho-sunday-spins10.html)

-sherlyn

---begin forwarded article---
**1/2 / amy ray, "prom" (daemon)

wow -- amy goes emo. the solo career of this half of the indigo girls
has tilled her southern rock and indie music roots, and amy ray's
second individual outing continues that trend. the difference is how
nostalgic this disc is -- she's singing a lot about high school, about
the aches and urges of adolescence. after blending so beautifully with
co-indigo girl emily saliers for a few albums, it's no doubt a relief
to crank up "the latest version of the clash" and think about the more
rambunctious and carefree old days -- building homecoming floats,
putting pennies on railroad tracks, "films and drills and safety
illustrations / the crushed cars of drivers' education."

on "prom," ray empathizes with outcasts -- "all the punks and the
queers and the freaks and the smokers" -- and praises the young man
who's "strong enough to be a country boy who's gay" ("rural faggot").
her observations have no distance; she knows these outsiders
intimately, and she alternatingly admires and champions them.

all would make for a textured and rewarding listening experience if
only the production were better. the guitars and backing vocals
sometimes sound like test tracks, waiting for better, more measured
recordings to take their place. or maybe that's just amy being emo and
lo-fi. a double play? well, a nice seventh-inning stretch, anyway.

thomas conner

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hey everyone,

here's the text of the after ellen interview with amy - as mentioned
before, you can read it online at
http://www.afterellen.com/music/2005/4/amyray.html.

-sherlyn

---begin forwarded article---
interview with amy ray
by gregg shapiro, april 11, 2005

amy ray=92s first solo disc, stag, expanded the harder rocking side that
she exhibited on occasion as one of the indigo girls. her stunning new
album prom (daemon)--available this week--expands on that concept,
with punk rock flair and some of the hardest hitting lyrics she=92s ever
written. the blistering =93put it out for good,=94 =93driver education,=94
=93blender=94 and =93sober girl,=94 put the current passel of punk rock
poseur-boys to shame, while =93rural faggot=94 is devastating in its bare
bones honesty.

rent a tux, buy a corsage, and attend amy ray=92s prom.

afterellen.com: what criteria do you use, when you are writing songs,
to determine whether a song is better suited to an amy ray solo disc
or an indigo girls album?

amy ray: it=92s hard to know anymore (laughs). i used to think it was
partly subject matter, in that my solo stuff seems to be a little more
intimate. more graphic, i guess. intimate in an edgy way, and really
singular in that it=92s hard for two people to sing the songs that are
on my solo records. it doesn=92t make as much sense. musically, i found
that i enjoy writing very specifically acoustic music for indigo girls
and sometimes some electric stuff spills over into there. if i=92m
writing an electric song that=92s more bombastic or fast and loud, i
automatically put it over in my solo pile these days. some of them
made it onto the last indigo record because we were going in that
direction. i still felt like i missed having a split, really doing a
folk, acoustic, rootsy thing with the indigo girls, rather than trying
to put us into the electric context all the time. i think we can do
it; there are a couple of records where i think we=92ve done it really
well. there=92s something about the opportunity to do the rootsy music
that i don=92t want to miss out on. i try to take advantage of the
strong points of what i think the indigo girls are.

ae: as with stag, on which you were joined by the butchies, joan jett,
kelly hogan and josephine wiggs, to name a few, prom has a stellar
line-up of guest musicians, including return appearances by kate
schellenbach (of luscious jackson fame) and danielle howle, as well as
jody bleyle and donna dresch (of team dresch fame) and the band
nineteen forty five. what is involved in your process of choosing
musicians with whom to record?
ar: it=92s usually people that are really inspiring to me musically.
people that i=92ve wanted to play with, that i have some sort of shared
musical context in common. i played with nineteen forty five on the
last (solo) record and i didn=92t feel like i used them enough. i love
them as a band; they=92re definitely one of my favorites. i knew right
after i finished stag, that i wanted to bring them back and have them
do a big chunk of the next record. i even thought about them doing the
whole thing. i didn=92t feel like i used kate enough on the last record
either. they were these two entities that i felt like i didn=92t take
advantage of the way i should have the last time around and i promised
myself i would this time. kate was playing with jody out in l.a. and
asked me if i wanted to get together with them and jam, way before i
started this record. it felt really good. in my mind, i thought half
the record would be them and the other half would be nineteen forty
five, which was different from stag because it was a little more
spread out among different bands. i just settled on those two. and
then donna and danielle came into the picture later. i used michelle
malone to do some guitar stuff. i filled in the pieces that i was
missing after i had started tracking with both of those bands.

ae: you make reference to gender in =93put it out for good=94 and
=93blender=94 =96 which is a term that has been coming into popular use in
recent years. what does it mean to you?
ar: i separate gender from sexuality usually. your gender is different
from who you want to sleep with, in other words. when i use the word
gender, i mean it as each person has their own gender and it falls
somewhere in the spectrum between male and female. i think some people
are really far to one end or the other and some people feel that they
are in the middle. i look at it as a self-identification issue and as
something, in the context of queer rights and the queer movement and
queer vernacular as being something that we should have been talking
about for the last hundred years (laughs).

it=92s a really important part of who we are as a queer community and
it=92s one of the things that bridge us with the straight community. i
think there are many straight people, sexuality wise, who probably
feel ambiguous about their gender. it=92s one place where we can connect
and understand that everything is much more fluid than we think it is.
emotionally and mentally and spiritually, we shift more than our
bodies allow us to.

ae: prom also contains a recurring high school theme, as heard on =93put
it out for good=94 and =93driver education.=94 are these songs based on your
own experiences in combination with what you are seeing now in high
school kids?
ar: yes, it=92s definitely both. although i wouldn=92t say that i=92m in
touch with what every high school thinks in every part of the country
(laughs). it=92s so different from one region to the next. it=92s my
little neck of the woods. for some reason this record became thematic
around that time period. a lot of it references things that i went
through and images that i remember from high school and i put it in
the context of some high school experiences of kids i know now or
things that i see on the news or that i read or kids that i talk to at
shows. i probably fell into the trap a couple of times, but i didn=92t
want it to be too sentimental about back in the good old days when i
was in high school (laughs).

i think high school was a coming of age for me, more than college was.
i=92m more attached to the things i went through in high school and the
teachers that i had. that was when i started singing and playing in
clubs. that=92s when emily and i started the indigo girls and that=92s
when i started finding my political self. college was a really great
time for me academically, but i was already playing music and i was
already an activist and i was already gay (laughs). all of those
things happened to me in high school. when i have a touchstone to talk
about activism or politics or rebellion or identity, high school
usually becomes that.

ae: the song on prom that i keep coming back to is =93rural faggot.=94 you
shine an unyielding light on homophobia, and by the time the song
reaches its dramatic and ironic conclusion, you have rewarded the
listener ten-fold.
ar: i=92m glad that you found that ending to be like that. the song was
pretty dark and i didn=92t intend it to be a hopeless song. it was meant
to be like =93this is what you=92re going to go through and it=92s going to
be all right.=94 but this is the process that is happening right now
that you may not see. i wrote if from the rural area that i live in
and a couple of my neighbors and their kids and these boys that i=92ve
seen grow up over the last twelve years and become teenagers and then
leave the house. some of them are gay and some of them aren=92t. many of
them went through a period of gay bashing and would tell me about it
(laugh of disbelief), as if i would think it was funny. they knew i
was gay and i don=92t know why they thought i would think it was funny.
they wanted to get approval from me for something that was obviously
not something that i would agree with.

they saw me as different, because i=92m a gay woman, and these were all
guys. they saw a real difference between gay women and gay men. that
is a real hallmark of living in a rural area. in a rural area, you
almost expect the flannel and the almost mannish style of dress. but
if guys walk around with a purse, there=92s just no place for that in a
rural area (laughs). there=92s no place for a man who is effeminate or
for a man who isn=92t effeminate, but is gay. it=92s a really hard road,
and that=92s why i made it (the song) specifically about guys. it=92s
something i wanted to talk about because it=92s something i see a lot
where i live.

ae: the closing track, =93let it ring,=94 is the sound of someone trying
to wrestle their god back from the christian right, and it has this
gospel fervor to it.
ar: i started it after a pro-choice march and then merged it into gay
rights issues, too. because (laughs) often when we=92re doing something
that is pro-choice, we also get picketed by people who are anti-gay,
too. they conflate the two for some reason. i have a lot of friends
who really struggle because they want to go to church but they don=92t
feel like it=92s their place anymore. there is not enough
reconciliation.

i have people in my family that are gay and really religious and
struggle with wanting to be a part of a religious community, but also
feel like they need to boycott it if it=92s not going to accept them. i
wrote it thinking about them and wanted to start out with this
caustic, sarcastic thing, because i remember the women=92s march in d.c.
and one of the most striking images was these young, almost punk kids
with the pro-life signs with pictures of the dead fetuses standing on
the sidewalk that were part of a big church group. it was striking to
me that their parents had passed down all this hate and fervor to them
and they were just taking the torch up. i got the idea for writing the
song being really sarcastic and then letting it move into a place that
was about love.
ae: every one of these songs =96 =93blender=94 and =93driver education=94 to
name a coupl-- rocks as energetically as say, the new green day, yet
because of clear channel stranglehold on the airwaves, they may never
be heard by the mass audience they deserve.
ar: (laughs) they probably won=92t.

ae: as an artist who operates and records her own independent record
label, how do you get beyond that?
ar: we just say we=92re going to do college radio. we=92re going to try to
get it on a couple of rock stations. it probably won=92t because i=92m gay
and i=92m female and i=92m forty, which is a big three strikes against me
for rock and roll stations. radio play is icing on the cake for me
when i finish a record. the great part of it is feeling really proud
of the experience of playing with kate and jody and donna and nineteen
forty five, people that i really admire and i=92m even nervous to play
with at first. just having gone through that process is a big deal to
me. and then i get to go out and play the songs live; that=92s the fun
part, playing in clubs and having a band. the radio and the fact that
it will never be a big record like green day, that=92s life and that=92s
my choice.

i choose to go down a certain path. i choose not to try to appear
straight, when i=92m gay, and to make a certain kind of music that is
not as acceptable from women. i just hope that in the spirit of the
distillers or some of these great female-fronted bands, that radio
would recognize some of it. it=92s not just--there are a lot of women
making great rock and punk music. somebody=92s got to break some ground
and you hope you can help do it.

ae: i recently interviewed lea delaria about her new jazz vocals cd
and we talked about how starbucks, of all places, has become a venue
for people of a certain age to discover music that they wouldn=92t
otherwise hear on the radio or mtv. do you think there is a place for
prom on the counter at starbucks?
ar: probably not (laughs). i don=92t want to dis starbucks too much, i
have so many friends who work there and they have great benefits and
stuff. and every time i say something about how we should go to our
local coffee shop instead of starbucks, they=92re all like (angrily)
=93amy!=94 (laughs) i agree that it is a place where you are going to hear
stuff that you=92re not going to hear on the radio, and that=92s a good
thing. but at the same time, it=92s this whole world of lifestyle
marketing.

starbucks markets this certain kind of music that creates this
interesting atmosphere and community within their shops, but it=92s all
in the name of profit. it feels funny to me. indigo girls were asked
to do a couple of things and i said no. there was one thing that we
were included on--i think it was love songs picked by sarah
mclachlan--and that was cool. it was one of emily=92s songs, so she had
the say-so on that. i still haven=92t figured out that piece yet. i
think that that company (starbucks) is the lesser of evils as far as
companies go, in a big way. but it=92s still wiping out interesting
little community coffee houses in certain areas. i don=92t necessarily
believe that if you=92re really good you=92ll survive that. it=92s hard to
survive in hard economic times.

ae: and finally, because of the album=92s title, did you, in fact,
attend your high school prom?
ar: oh, yeah. i was very involved in high school (laughs). that=92s
what=92s so weird. i was a real black, but i was president of my class
and i went to the prom, whether i had a date or not. i had a boyfriend
for a few proms, and then, my senior year i had a girlfriend, but i
didn=92t take my girlfriend to the prom. it wasn=92t that far along yet. i
think we went =93alone=94 and met up there. yeah, i went, i was involved.
i went to the football and basketball and baseball games. i played
sports and was really active. it was still that high school time,
where everything=92s hard (laughs).

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hey folks,

(can you tell i'm working through a backlog of news articles?  almost
there, i think...)

here's an article from the herald-sun, a newspaper from the
durham/chapel hill nc area.  you can read it online
athttp://www.herald-sun.com/orange/10-595654.html

-sherlyn

---begin forwarded article---
indigo girl takes on coming-of-age issues

by rebecca bailey : the herald-sun
chh@heraldsun.com
apr 10, 2005 : 6:10 pm et

carrboro -- after 20-plus years of touring, both as an indigo girl
and, since 2001, as a solo artist, singer-songwriter amy ray doesn't
get tired of the road.

"we make every show different," said ray, speaking from columbus,
ohio, where, in a few hours, she would perform as the rock-oriented
half of the indigo girls.

"even if we're playing the same set," added ray, "we're with a
different audience every night and different musicians are opening for
us and joining in. that's what makes each show special."

area fans who have waited four years for ray to release a second solo
album on her independent label, daemon records, have two reasons to
celebrate this week: on tuesday, ray releases her new rock/punk cd
"prom," its hard-driving rhythms matched by ray's powerful, "growly"
voice.

and at 8 p.m. on wednesday, ray will rock the cat's cradle in carrboro
for a one-night-only stop.

joining her on stage will be bass guitarist jody bleyle and drummer
will lochamy -- who also play on the new album -- and lead guitarist
les nuby. opener gretchen phillips likely will sit in.

"prom," said ray, which was put together "over the period of a year,
in between indigo tours," is very different from her first solo album,
"stag," released in 2001 to critical acclaim.

"thematically it's pretty different," said ray. "the songs come from a
different perspective."

that perspective is from the difficult borderland between youth and
adulthood, when the struggle toward self-discovery and maturity
begins. "at first, i didn't have a theme in mind. the first song
written [for "prom"] was 'put it out for good'--it was geared toward
high school. then i wrote 'pennies on the track,' and i saw this trend
or concept coming on."

the songs on "prom" involve coming of age and "fighting for your
humanity in the company of others," ray said. she emphasized that the
struggle to accept oneself and find community amid racism, homophobia
and sexism, and to stand up for what one believes in "begins in
puberty but continues throughout life."

the ultimate freedom, said ray, "is to be so comfortable in your own
skin that you're never hung up about your body. to be so liberated
from your form that you're pure energy and spirit. if you can be that,
you will have the energy and the resources to achieve, and create
change."

in addition to its theme, "prom" is different, said ray, "because of
the musicians involved. this record is based around two different
rhythm sections"--former team dresch and former beastie boys artists
in los angeles; and the birmingham, ala., garage band nineteen
forty-five.

"i wanted to use particular players in different ways," noted ray. "in
a sense, 'prom' was written for the musicians."

these artists, and others on her independent label, are "the people i
look to for inspiration," she said. "what they're doing is important
to me."

ray founded her not-for-profit label in 1990 to provide diversity in
the white male-dominated punk rock world. "punk rock is still a
pioneering effort for women," she said. "there are lots of women
singing, but few listeners. when a band is fronted by a woman, it's
tough to get air time."

diversity is the key to daemon's success, ray believes. the label's
artists, female and male, provide "all kinds of music for all ages,
from punks to folkies."

about daemon's title, ray said, "i was reading a book about art and
commerce, how to make the two work together without compromising
either. i came across the term 'daemon,' a greek word loosely meaning
'your gifts, your power.' it seemed to fit."

ray's considerable gifts and power will be on display wednesday night
at the cat's cradle.

---

what: amy ray performing live
when: wednesday, 8 p.m.
where: cat's cradle, 300 e. main st, carrboro

cost: $12 advance; $14 day of show advance tickets are available by
phone at 967-9053, on the web at: www.catscradle.com or at cat's
cradle, schoolkids records and cd alley

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hey folks,

i don't recall seeing the entire list posted, so here it is - all of amy's=
"prom"
tour dates, as listed on the daemon site.

cheers,
sherlyn

--
04/12 athens, ga - 40 watt - opening act: athens boys choir and gretchen=
phillips
04/13 carrboro, nc - cat's cradle - opening act: athens boys choir and=
gretchen phillips
04/15 philadelphia, pa - north star - opening act: cordero
04/16 northampton, ma - pearl street - opening act: cordero
04/18 boston, ma - paradise rock club - opening act: snow machine
04/19 new york, ny - bowery ballroom - opening act: snow machine
04/21 washington, dc - black cat - opening act: abc & snow machine
04/22 charlottesville, va - starr hill music hall - opening act: abc & snow=
machine
04/23 asheville, nc - grey eagle - opening act: abc & snow machine
04/24 atlanta, ga - variety playhouse - opening act: group sex & snow=
machine
05/02 boulder, co - fox theatre & cafe - opening act: family outing
05/04 salt lake city ut - lo fi cafe - opening act: family outing
05/06 seattle, wa - neumos crystal ball reading room - opening act: family=
outing
05/07 vancouver, bc - the red room - opening act: family outing
05/08 portland, or - crystal ballroom - opening act: family outing
05/10 san francisco, ca - slim's - opening act: family outing
05/12 los angeles, ca - el rey theater: la - opening act: family outing
05/13 santa ana, ca - galaxy theatre - opening act: family outing
05/14 tucson, az - plush room - opening act: family outing

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i'm going to see amy at the bowery ballroom next week - does anyone know who
snow machine is? i looked on the daemon site and i guess the lead singer
used to be with three finger cowboy, but that's all i know. any insight?
kellie

>from: sherlyn koo <sherlyn@pixelopolis.com>
>reply-to: sherlyn koo <sherlyn@pixelopolis.com>
>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
>subject: amy's tour dates
>date: tue, 12 apr 2005 21:45:18 +1000
>
>hey folks,
>
>i don't recall seeing the entire list posted, so here it is - all of amy's
>"prom"
>tour dates, as listed on the daemon site.
>
>cheers,
>sherlyn
>
>--
>04/12 athens, ga - 40 watt - opening act: athens boys choir and gretchen
>phillips
>04/13 carrboro, nc - cat's cradle - opening act: athens boys choir and
>gretchen phillips
>04/15 philadelphia, pa - north star - opening act: cordero
>04/16 northampton, ma - pearl street - opening act: cordero
>04/18 boston, ma - paradise rock club - opening act: snow machine
>04/19 new york, ny - bowery ballroom - opening act: snow machine
>04/21 washington, dc - black cat - opening act: abc & snow machine
>04/22 charlottesville, va - starr hill music hall - opening act: abc & snow
>machine
>04/23 asheville, nc - grey eagle - opening act: abc & snow machine
>04/24 atlanta, ga - variety playhouse - opening act: group sex & snow
>machine
>05/02 boulder, co - fox theatre & cafe - opening act: family outing
>05/04 salt lake city ut - lo fi cafe - opening act: family outing
>05/06 seattle, wa - neumos crystal ball reading room - opening act: family
>outing
>05/07 vancouver, bc - the red room - opening act: family outing
>05/08 portland, or - crystal ballroom - opening act: family outing
>05/10 san francisco, ca - slim's - opening act: family outing
>05/12 los angeles, ca - el rey theater: la - opening act: family outing
>05/13 santa ana, ca - galaxy theatre - opening act: family outing
>05/14 tucson, az - plush room - opening act: family outing
>
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in a message dated 4/11/2005 2:07:42 p.m. central daylight time,
ritesofpassage04@netscape.com writes:

and for the record they said "i+g=ig" it looks so much like an algebraic
equation!


hmmm... those were different from mine, which definitely say "a+e=ig".  maybe
i'll look into getting them made again.

pam

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they are katherine & hunter from 1945/3fc ...but very different music ... much more mellow and very cool!
dee:)

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katherine mcelroy was the lead singer & bassist of 3 finger cowboy, the second vocalist and bassist of 1945.  i think this snow machine is supposed to be more of her solo type stuff.  hunter manasco who was guitarist in 3fc and lead singer/guitarist in 1945 i think plays guitar on this album.

if you aren't familiar with 3fc or 1945 that probably doesn't help much.  but she's great, kinda rocky, and great.

draper

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i'm going to see amy at the bowery ballroom next week - does anyone know who<br>snow machine is? i looked on the daemon site and i guess the lead singer<br>used to be with three finger cowboy, but that's all i know. any insight?<br>kellie<br><br>>from: sherlyn koo <sherlyn@pixelopolis.com><br>>reply-to: sherlyn koo <sherlyn@pixelopolis.com><br>>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org<br>>subject: amy's tour dates<br>>date: tue, 12 apr 2005 21:45:18 +1000<br>><br>>hey folks,<br>><br>>i don't recall seeing the entire list posted, so here it is - all of amy's<br>>"prom"<br>>tour dates, as listed on the daemon site.<br>><br>>cheers,<br>>sherlyn<br>><br>>--<br>>04/12 athens, ga - 40 watt - opening act: athens boys choir and gretchen<br>>phillips<br>>04/13 carrboro, nc - cat's cradle - opening act: athens boys choir and<br>>gretchen phillips<br>>04/15 philadelphia, pa - north star - opening act: cordero<br>>04/16 northampton, ma - pearl street - opening act: cordero<br>>04/18 boston, m
a - paradise rock club - opening act: snow machine<br>>04/19 new york, ny - bowery ballroom - opening act: snow machine<br>>04/21 washington, dc - black cat - opening act: abc & snow machine<br>>04/22 charlottesville, va - starr hill music hall - opening act: abc & snow<br>>machine<br>>04/23 asheville, nc - grey eagle - opening act: abc & snow machine<br>>04/24 atlanta, ga - variety playhouse - opening act: group sex & snow<br>>machine<br>>05/02 boulder, co - fox theatre & cafe - opening act: family outing<br>>05/04 salt lake city ut - lo fi cafe - opening act: family outing<br>>05/06 seattle, wa - neumos crystal ball reading room - opening act: family<br>>outing<br>>05/07 vancouver, bc - the red room - opening act: family outing<br>>05/08 portland, or - crystal ballroom - opening act: family outing<br>>05/10 san francisco, ca - slim's - opening act: family outing<br>>05/12 los angeles, ca - el rey theater: la - opening act: family outing<br>>05/13 santa ana, ca - galaxy the
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    let's help amy  ray's prom reach amazon's top 10!

we'd love to see this, and you  can help make it happen!

all you need to do is go to:

_http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/468646/104-9664328-4122369_
(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/468646/104-9664328-4122369)

and download "driver education" and "covered for you" for free!
right now the songs are ranked number 11 and 12, and i know we can
move them into the top 10.

thanks!!

lisa & dee
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happy birthday ms ray...

cuz like, you are cool enough to share a birthday with my sister...she was
born wicked (maine accent) early just so you could share the same birthday
as her.. hey, at least she didnt' suffer brain damage like her geeky
obsessive indigo head brother...

and like, my best friend was born the same day as me... so that sorta makes
sense - in a jilly certo way...

(i miss jilly certo - where for art thou jilly, the first person who just
screamed when i came out "who do you think you were fooling, the gay dar
was at 100 my friend)

of course - i thought she'd be wearing a leather and her head would be bald...

happy b-day amy.

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driver ed is at 9 now:)

if anybody wants to check the amazon download charts, they're here:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-
/561964/ref=td_mh_3_f/102-3741680-1044158

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on 12 apr 2005 at 10:28, memememi@aol.com wrote:

>     let's help amy  ray's prom reach amazon's top 10!
>
> we'd love to see this, and you  can help make it happen!
>
> all you need to do is go to:
>
> _http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/468646/104-9664328-4122
> 369_
> (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/468646/104-9664328-4122
> 369)
>
> and download "driver education" and "covered for you" for free!
> right now the songs are ranked number 11 and 12, and i know we can
> move them into the top 10.
>
> thanks!!
>
> lisa & dee
> daemon street team coordinators
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i am so jealous of *anyone* who gets to see snow machine open for
aray.  i love them.  so different from 1945 (who i love as well).  i
am sure family outing is fine, but i wish she was kind of mixing her
west coast openers up (a band called better friends than lovers is
opening in vancouver).

anyway, regardless, i am psyched for may... :)

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"i'm running to the end of the earth,
and i'm swimming to the edge of the sea,
and i'm laughing, i'm under a starry sky
this world was meant for me
don't bury me carry me..."
~~ amy ray, indigo girls

"there's a lot to be said for what's been left behind
you just dream of the ocean
waves from the aleutians crashing on the shore
and you'd dream of the maori
alive in the south sea..."
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jody and alan (family outing) are doing the west coast
shows because they live in la.

--- spike <indigokare@gmail.com> wrote:
> i am so jealous of *anyone* who gets to see snow
> machine open for
> aray.  i love them.  so different from 1945 (who i
> love as well).  i
> am sure family outing is fine, but i wish she was
> kind of mixing her
> west coast openers up (a band called better friends
> than lovers is
> opening in vancouver).
>
> anyway, regardless, i am psyched for may... :)
>
> ***
> "i'm running to the end of the earth,
> and i'm swimming to the edge of the sea,
> and i'm laughing, i'm under a starry sky
> this world was meant for me
> don't bury me carry me..."
> ~~ amy ray, indigo girls
>
> "there's a lot to be said for what's been left
> behind
> you just dream of the ocean
> waves from the aleutians crashing on the shore
> and you'd dream of the maori
> alive in the south sea..."
> ~~ nate borofsky, girlyman
>
> http://www.indigogirls.com
> http://www.girlyman.com
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does anyone happen to have any extra tickets to amy's show at the north star on friday?  i would love to go, but it's sold out.

thanks,
laura

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snow machine...

hunter actually plays drums with the band live.

dee:)

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a great article!  i'm glad i read it before her boston show next monday.

thanks to jen cattin, i have a cd of her new songs, which i hadn't yet heard (embarassing but true), and the day i listened to them was the same day the pope was being carried around through the crowds shortly after his death.  i turned the sound off on the tv and put on head phones and it was an amazing mix to hear amy sing "let it ring" while watching this procession.

anyone else ever listen to ig/amy with an unusual visual accompaniment?

rena

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--sorry i did not include the full text. i just got this and wanted to rush this
off to everyone. ;-) i can provide it later. --lorna

interview with amy ray
by gregg shapiro, april 11, 2005

amy ray of the indigo girls talks about her new solo album, prom, coming of age
in high school, and the repercussions of being an openly gay musician.

http://www.afterellen.com/music/2005/4/amyray.html


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hi folks,

a friend emailed me this morning asking if i had the presale password for the pre-sale for redwood city, ca.  if you have it, please send it to me at hammerlj@aol.com so that i can pass it along to her.  thanks.

lauren

p.s.  amy was in my dream last night.  (very unusual.)

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don't know what to call them.
.
. back when amy played a lot of the new songs at the daemon records
showcase at the echo lounge in december, 1945 was also on the bill and
backed her up.  so that's what i was expecting for this prom tour, but
that's not the case (thankfully).  the lead guitarist is les nuby from
?verbina? -- he appears on "put it out for good" on the cd -- he's great.
the bassist is jody bleyle from team dresch who appears on most the cd --
she's also very good with a good voice on backup vocals.  she looks
familiar to me but i can't remember the context that i've seen her playing
'cause i don't recall ever seeing team dresch play.  the drummer from 1945,
will lochamy is there (and you're right, kari, he's the worst thing about
the sound, although i think it's more the sloppy sound of his drum kit than
his actually playing style).
.
. opening was athens boys choir (which is actually two twenty-something
white women rapping).  they're enjoyable but i've seen them too many times
now (3 times in 4 months) compared to how much i actually like them.  they
told a story of having trouble getting back into the country when they went
to play a gig in canada: "but we really are the athens boys choir, officer!"
.
. i wasn't paying all that much attention to the people setting up in
between acts but there was a guy in a shirt and pants getting things ready
after abc.  the same person came back out moments later wearing a gown and
leather boots and it was actually gretchen phillips.  i was still ready to
believe this was a man in drag until she started singing.  she was great, a
beautiful, weirdly interesting songs and a fantastic electric guitarist.
backing her up was melissa york, the drummer for the butchies (whom i would
have gladly traded for will lochamy backing up amy).  anyway, i felt a
little better about my misread of gretchen when she closed with a song
called "don't call me butch (just because i look this good in a suit)"; she
sang it backed by an r&b tape and channelled barry white and george benson
(singing scat notes and playing them on guitar simultaneously) -- it was
the most bizarre number i've seen in a long time; it was hysterical and
fantastic, really.
.
. this was their first live show together, so things were far from tight
for amy and the band.  they had to restart several songs, but it was a
great full set.  the backup band won't ever be as fully tight as the
butchies were but it's a very powerful sound and very good on its own
merits.  most everything sounded better live than it does on the cd,
especially "pennies on the track" and "blender".  they played everything
off of prom and everything off of stag except "johnny rottentail", "measure
of me" and "lazyboy".  a really great show.  the 40 watt club in athens is
a great small venue to see amy (and last month's ig show there was
phenomenal).
.
------
.
. i finally got to see sugarland live last weekend at the atlanta dogwood
festival in piedmont park.  (emily was there with friends watching in the
audience along with everyone else.)  everytime i keep meaning to see them,
something comes up.  they were very good on the tonight show two weeks ago
playing "something more".  it's a good sounding band and the songs are
solid.  jennifer nettles has a very strong voice.  the only thing that
keeps me at arms length is the overtly packaged presentation that's
marketed to the country audience.  seeing kristen hall all made up with
blonde highlights comes across as fake to me; i only saw billy pilgrim once
a long time ago and i realize that kristian bush is balding, but the cowboy
hat also seems phony; if jennifer nettles is from atlanta, her accent is
completely fake -- nobody who grew up here has a twang as harsh as that --
but maybe she moved here as an adult from somewhere else.  but they'll go
over big in the current state of country radio -- they have a nice sound,
she's got a nice voice and looks great fronting the band.
. shawn mullins was also on the bill, but he played a very short set.  i
was trying to figure out why he didn't completely break through on the
national scene after his one-hit wonder "lullaby" when john mayer, who's
very much in the same vein, was able to maintain a national name.  one
thing, i guess, is looks; the other is that by the time shawn broke
through, his voice had lost some of its purity.  he sounds really rough and
husky now compared to when he first started out.
.
-- ron
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thanks to ron for this review! i sure hope the midwestern leg of the tour=
=20
(september, i guess) brings her anywhere near me. i'm loving the cd, but i=
=20
know the live experience will be even more kick-ass.=20
btw, gretchen phillips was a member of the terrific band two nice girls=20
some years ago. i doubt that anything of theirs is still in print, but it's=
=20
well worth tracking down if you can. (you may be familiar with their classi=
c=20
tune "i spent my last $10 on birth control and beer.") i've been meaning to=
=20
check out her solo work for quite a while now...=20
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on 4/13/05, ron mcbay <usul@mindspring.com> wrote:
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. i wasn't paying all that much attention to the people setting up in
between acts but there was a guy in a shirt and pants getting things ready
after abc. the same person came back out moments later wearing a gown and
leather boots and it was actually gretchen phillips. i was still ready to
believe this was a man in drag until she started singing. she was great, a
beautiful, weirdly interesting songs and a fantastic electric guitarist.
backing her up was melissa york, the drummer for the butchies (whom i would
have gladly traded for will lochamy backing up amy). anyway, i felt a
little better about my misread of gretchen when she closed with a song
called "don't call me butch (just because i look this good in a suit)"; she
sang it backed by an r&b tape and channelled barry white and george benson
(singing scat notes and playing them on guitar simultaneously) -- it was
the most bizarre number i've seen in a long time; it was hysterical and
fantastic, really.

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according to pollstar, ig will be playing the taos solar music fest in
taos, nm on 26 june.  :)

just to update, here are the western us summer tour dates:

26 june - taos, nm
06 july - san diego, ca
08 july - reno, nv
09 july - redwood city, ca
10 july - saratoga, ca
19 july - seattle, wa
20 july - seattle, wa

:)

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and i'm swimming to the edge of the sea,
and i'm laughing, i'm under a starry sky
this world was meant for me
don't bury me carry me..."=20
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waves from the aleutians crashing on the shore=20
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sorry that last post was so long, i forgot to delete the original email.

-scott

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i got this story off of the internet. there are three gay/lesbian channels in
your future...
-scott

p.s. since my last post was rejected because it was too long, disregard my apology!

by david bauder, ap television writer

new york - three new tv networks catering to gay and lesbian viewers are trying
to establish themselves and all say they support one another €” at least
publicly.

competition breeds interest and shows doubters the business is viable, said
frank olsen, president of the q television network. he once applied the same
theory when he owned four gay and lesbian bars near each other in seattle.

"i think there's room for all three of us," said olsen, whose network is the
underdog of the trio. "we're different types of channels, just like you have
abc, nbc and cbs."

sure to be the most visible is mtv networks' logo, scheduled to start as a basic
cable network on june 30. q and here are both pay services operating now and
available to a limited number of viewers.

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thought this would be of interest to some of you here.

lauren

http://www.prleap.com/pr/5781/

news released: march 29,  2005

cmh records presents "pickin' on melissa etheridge." the bluegrass
musical tribute to one of the greatest and most earnest artists of
our  time.

(prleap.com) rocker. seeker. passionate poet of loss and renewal.
melissa etheridge has forged her platinum-plus career from the raw
materials of life, creating an intimate, unbreakable bond with her
fans.  her brand of bluesy heartland rock is unmistakable, full of
fire and angry  confession. she wields her low-slung guitar like a
lover's weapon, and sings  in a glass-breaking, heart-breaking voice
that's gritty with experience, yet  soaring with hope.

"pickin' on melissa etheridge" is a boot-kickin'  tribute to a woman
who personifies honest, defiant folk-rock. she's a  masterful,
cunning songwriter and in the hands of firebrand banjo, fiddle  and
mandolin players, her melodic hooks grab hold and don't let go. in a
bluegrass tuning, smash hits like "bring me some water" and "come to
my  window" ring out with pure, plaintive urgency. like melissa
etheridge  herself, this is music that's gutsy, tender and true.

about cmh  records:

los angeles bluegrass label cmh records claims a more  substantial
lineup, boasting more than 100 titles of instrumental tribute
product. "there's definitely a market in this," states cmh president
david haerle, whose company not only offers a bluegrass pickin'  on...
(various artists) series and a succession of string quartet tributes
on its vitamin records label, but also dabbles in electronic and
lounge  music salutes.

while the subjects of such encomiums include the classic  superstars
you might expect - the beatles, elton john and the eagles - there
are some unexpected surprises as well: alanis morissette, tool, and
medeski, martin & wood.

haerle says of the cmh series, which  began with pickin' on the
beatles in 1994, that whether it's the  all-instrumental cocktail-
flavored joyful noise: the lounge tribute to ani  difranco or the
pulsating the electronic tribute to abba, fans relish  alternative
versions of tunes by star artists. and he says they really love  the
pickin' on... series of instrumental bluegrass renditions.

"we  feel we have two audiences," haerle explains. "one audience is
the already  existing fans of bluegrass music or fans of the existing
series itself, who  like the instrumental virtuosity of the players
that we feature on the  albums and like the unique repertoire that is
obviously not traditional  bluegrass compositions. it's often music
rendered in a way outside that  world, as evidenced by pickin' on u2,
and other pickin' on... releases.

"the second audience would be the fans of those artists
we're  'pickin' on,' who would be interested in hearing those
compositions that are  favorites of theirs related somewhat to the
group, because those are the  songs they know and love. that's a
significant second component to the  series."

"people dig our pickin' on... series," says haerle. "we get  letters.
it's totally exciting."

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anks to jen cattin, i have a cd of her new songs, which i hadn't yet heard =
(embarassing but true), and the day i listened to them was the same day the=
pope was being carried around through the crowds shortly after his death. =
i turned the sound off on the tv and put on head phones and it was an amazi=
ng mix to hear amy sing "let it ring" while watching this procession. <br><=
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lorna <br><br>interview with amy ray <br>by gregg shapiro, april 11, 2005 <=
br><br>amy ray of the indigo girls talks about her new solo album, prom, co=
ming of age <br>in high school, and the repercussions of being an openly ga=
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does anyone know if the seattle dates in july are with the band? or is it
just amy?


mandy (in oklahoma)

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has some great photos and an interview


http://www.gay.com/content/slideshow/?coll=512&order=1&navpath=/channels/entertainment/music/


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dont know if this is old news but planet out has a good interview with amy
along with five or so stellar fotos.

that back tattoo...anyone know if it is real and what it might be???

http://www.planetout.com/content/slideshow/?coll=512&navpath=/entertainment
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hey folks,

here's the text of the planetout.com interview - once again, you can
see it online (w/ photos) at (long url, should be all on one line):
http://www.planetout.com/content/slideshow/?coll=3d512&navpath=3d/entertai
nment/music/

-sherlyn

---begin forwarded article---
amy ray goes back to high school
by jenny stewart, entertainment editor

amy ray's new solo record "prom," about the iconic lesbian folk-rock
star's high school years in georgia, would be remarkable based on the
concept alone. even better is that the nine powerful, heart-wrenching,
making-out-in-the-backseat rock songs are perhaps best described using
high school vernacular. simply put: they kick ass.

ray recently spoke to planetout about the new record, new queer
artists and her first love.

when i first got "prom" in the mail, i saw the prom photo, looked at
the lyrics and immediately went: "wait -- is this a concept album
about high school from a lesbian? how genius!" so, is this a concept
album and, if so, what gave you the idea?

it just turned out to be a concept record. i didn't really have an
idea of what the subject matter was going to be. i had written "sober
girl," but i hadn't finished it, and it was kind of about youth. then
all of a sudden i realized i was in the head space of that high school
touchstone, as well as the pastoral sort of existence of youth and
innocence and stuff, and it just turned out that way. i kind of let
the songs lead the way.

most people say their college years are their most formative, but you
said that for you, it was high school, that you first fell in love
with a woman in high school.

that's the thing about it. i didn't know what it meant to be gay, i
just knew i was in love with this woman. we did everything together --
we held hands, wrote love letters to each other. i was with that woman
for three years and then halfway through college. it was a very
significant relationship for me.

that's fascinating to me. i always had boyfriends in high school, but
i always had crushes on girls and kept them secret. and i think we're
both the same age, so i assume we're talking about 1978-1982, and i
can't even imagine being gay in high school in 1982. and you were in
the south!

yeah, and it was very sheltered and suburban and really conservative
in my geographical area -- conservative lower and middle class. i had
teacher who sort of counseled me about it. and then my mom talked to
me about it and asked me if i was gay, and i didn't know what to say,
because i didn't know what it meant. which sounds so naive, but that's
the way it was in high school back then. so i said, "well, i guess i
am," and she said, "oh, well it must be a phase." [laughs]

but i had this one teacher who was really supportive. he didn't push
it, i think he just knew what was going on and he encouraged me to
stay true to my feelings.

back to "prom." there are a lot of great guest musicians on this
record, including the nineteen forty-fives, jody bleyle and donna
dresch from team dresch and kate schellenbach from luscious jackson.
are you at the point where just about anyone will agree to play on
your records?

no! [laughs.] well, let me just say i am always nervous to ask people.
luckily kate was already a good friend of mine, and she played on my
first solo record, as did the nineteen forty-five's. kate was already
jamming with jody bleyle, who's like a complete icon to me, from team
dresch. i wanted to ask donna [dresch] to play guitar, but i was so
nervous to ask, because she's an icon to me too. but i don't think i
could call dave grohl and say, "i want you to play on my record."

you know what? i have a feeling dave grohl would. he's so cool.

well, i would really hope he would! [laughs.] but see, i would never
expect anyone to, or take for granted that they would. i am always
extremely nervous when i ask people and am extremely excited when they
are willing to do it. and sometimes, people think of all sorts of
excuses to not play with you.

really? like what?

i remember michael stipe had played on our first record. we had a song
we wanted him to do on the second record, and he totally turned us
down. i can't remember what his excuse was, but it was totally lame!
[laughs.] so we were like, "well, i guess the honeymoon's over!" but
he was actually really supportive; he just didn't want to play on
every record, you know?

a few months back, we started a new channel called rockout that throws
a spotlight on emerging queer musicians. i was shocked at how many new
queer artists were out there. a bunch of them saw you play at the homo
a go-go concert last year, and they actually called to tell me that
your performance with the butchies almost brought tears to their eyes.
they all have an incredible amount of respect for you. what do you
think of these younger artists, and what do you think about being a
queer pioneer?

i think it's amazing. homo a go-go is so instrumental. because before,
some bands might be self-conscious to be called a gay band, because
that would be considered a negative -- at least it would be in the
radio world. but for planetout or homo a go-go or any of the festivals
that really play it up in such a positive way, i think it increases
the confidence of someone who's 20 years old and playing punk, or rap
or anything. for them to be able to have this community around them, i
think it sort of lifts them up. but i don't necessarily feel like a
pioneer.

why not?

because when emily and i started, we were out in our lives, but we
weren't out publicly, in the press, and it took us a long time to [get
to] that. i really regret that. it was a decision we made at the time,
to sort of have private lives, but i always felt like were not as
brave as we could have been. so when i look at people now, especially
with the new gender identity, and really cutting-edge things going on,
i think of them as pioneers.

you may be being too hard on yourself, because i think everyone knew
you guys were gay, and it was important to people to hear you on the
radio.

well, we didn't lie about it, but we thought in retrospect "wow, we
could have been even more political and on the forefront." because i
think in the beginning we were politicized to a certain degree, but
not the way some of the younger bands are now. when i watch triple
creme, or like when we played homo a go-go, that is just ... an honor
to play.

ok, so the last two questions are high school themed. first, what kind
of music were you listening to in high school?

[laughs.] well, i was a real southern rocker at the time, so it was
the allman brothers and lynyrd skynyrd. but then i sort of got into
elvis costello, patti smith, the pretenders. i also listened to folk,
like bob dylan, neil young and joni mitchell, and i was way into
rickie lee jones. so it was a wide array, but i didn't really listen
or get into punk music until college. i discovered that a little late,
and when i did, i was like, "whoa! this is where it's at."

i'm curious: i think this may have coincided with your 20-year high
school reunion. did you go?

[laughs.] i missed the most recent one, but i've been to all the other
ones. i keep in touch with my high school friends, so i know where
they're at and they know where i am. and you know what? i don't know
why those things (high school songs) came up for me, but i think maybe
it's because i had started a new relationship, and when you start
something new like that, you always reference things that were
formative to you in your head. like when you're trying to figure out
who you are, why you like certain people and where your problems come
from. what made you stronger and what made you weaker. i think it all
came from falling in love with somebody new and just checking in on
all of that stuff, you know?

what about the prom? did you go?

i did. i think i went like every year! [laughs.]

did you go with guys or girls?

i went with guys, but my senior year i went by myself. but see, my
quote unquote "girlfriend" went alone too, so we hooked up there at
the prom. we planned to not have a date so that we could be each
other's dates.

well, that's mighty romantic. did you dance?

i can't really remember, but i know i didn't dance with guys. but you
know what i think happened? i think we went for a while and then just
ditched it and went someplace else -- you know how that happens?
[laughs.]

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"opening was athens boys choir (which is actually two twenty-something<br>white women rapping)."

as an aside, neither of the members of athens boys choir are women.  they're transmen (who are in they're twenties) who do spoken word.
but yes, they are awesome and i thought they had a great set.
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>
> that back tattoo...anyone know if it is real and what it might be???
>
>  there's a good picture of it on the booklet for prom.  it has her
girlfriends' name at the top of it and it has like flowers and leaves with what
kind of looks like red and blue feathers/leaf-shaped things.  from the prom
photo it looks incomplete too.  must have hurt like hell though because it's so
big!

laura

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i think emily will be there, too ;-)

(okay, sorry, i just had to)

-bon

on thu, 14 apr 2005, mandy clements wrote:

> does anyone know if the seattle dates in july are with the band? or is it
> just amy?
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> mandy (in oklahoma)
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