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date:         sat, 16 apr 2005 12:23:45 +1000
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hey folks,

this is from the gay city news... you can read it online at:
http://www.gaycitynews.com/gcn_415/theformativeyears.html

-sherlyn

---begin forwarded article---
amy ray
bowery ballroom
6 delancey st., btwn. bowery and chrystie st.
apr. 19, 8 p.m.
$20, 212-260-4700

courtesy daemon records

amy ray, having released her sophomore solo album, talks about a
unique mix of progressivism, activism and her rural, southern roots.

the formative years

indigo girl amy ray looks back on her southern high school days
by kathleen warnock

being but a simple country girl, even if also an internationally known
recording artist, amy ray prefers her small southern town when she is
not making records and touring as half of the indigo girls or doing
her solo work, which recently yielded her second album, =93prom.=94

=93i am not much on cities, but if i have to be in one, new york city is
in my top five for sure,=94 she said. =93i know new yorkers are so used to
having a subway system, so it=92s no big deal to them, but for me, it=92s
the greatest freedom to be able to go anywhere just by hopping a
train.=94

ray has a long history of performing in new york, in some of its
hipper venues.

=93the first places i played in new york city were the knitting factory,
the bitter end, and cbgb=92s,=94 she recalled. =93also, emily and i played
for tips in washington square park to get up the funds to get our car
out of the car park. come to think of it, i had my car stolen in new
york city too, but i got it back a few weeks later, so i felt pretty
impressed by that.=94

ray returns to new york on april 19 to the also-cool bowery ballroom,
hot on the heels of the release of =93prom,=94 a concept album of songs
reflecting on the high school experience, always an excellent source
of material for the outcast artist, especially one growing up lesbian.

=93high school was much more formative than college for me,=94 ray said.
=93i found it to be a pretty rich territory as far as subject matter
goes. i associate it with the way i feel about who i am now: my
gender, my activism, my music; starting to play with emily, teachers
who influenced me, mistakes i made, insecurities. a lot of those
things really form in high school. you still have the same
insecurities about being accepted.=94

after her solo debut cd, 2001=92s =93stag,=94 ray recorded another album
with fellow indigo girl emily saliers, but never stopped thinking
about her next independent effort, which she soon realized had a
strong theme.

=93i was writing songs, and they were all fitting into a theme, and when
i realized that, i started molding it to be cohesive,=94 she explained.
=93there=92s songs on there that aren=92t part of that theme, but had a feel
to them, so that the spiritually, they felt in line with the rest of
the album, with that young, rebellious kind of spirit.=94

the song =93driver=92s education,=94 ray said, is told from her current
point of view, but looking back to high school.

=93it=92s a love song,=94 she said, =93and i=92m writing it to someone i=92m with
now, who i=92m saying i=92m trying to explain how i got where i am. and i
wish i knew where you were, what you were doing during this time.=94

=93put it out for good=94 was inspired by seeing kids hanging out in her
hometown today.

=93oh, it=92s the same group of alienated teenagers,=94 she said. =93the
clothes change a little bit, but nothing really changes. we=92re still
hanging out on the sidewalk. my song =91rural faggot=92 is specifically
about someone who is of high school age, and what they=92re going
through in their formative years. what it means and figuring out what
you are, after you=92ve been denying it through early puberty. so, i=92m
dealing with a lot of stuff around gender and identity, and high
school seems to be a time when we=92re so open at the beginning, we=92re
sort of still open, then not much time goes by, and all of a sudden
everything starts shifting.=94

in some ways, said ray, coming out is easier for today=92s teens, at
least in terms of having the language to understand how they feel.

=93when i was in high school, i fell in love with a woman my senior
year, but i didn=92t know what that meant,=94 she said. =93i didn=92t have any
articulation about gender or being queer, or being political in the
greater world beyond being class president and organizing fund-raisers
in my community. now, kids know what gay is, depending on where you
live, but even in my rural area, they really are aware of language in
a way that we weren=92t in high school. it=92s still a lot for them to
deal with. i didn=92t really know what it meant, but it was a very
organic experience for me. now, you have you all this judgment and
trial and tribulation and =91what do i do?=92 and =91what does it mean?=92
there=92s still a lot on the negative side. on the positive side,
there=92s a way to talk about it now. i think the media has helped.
there=92s just a wide-open internet world, so you can find information,
music. that=92s also part of the struggle, because there=92s the danger of
over-stimulus. it=92s still got to be hard to figure out what you are.=94

ray, whose solo work is rockier=97to the point of punk=97than her indigo
work, put together a group of solid musicians to help her pull =93prom=94
together, including native new yorker drummer kate schellenbach
(ex-luscious jackson, ex-beastie boys).

=93kate=92s gotten even better,=94 ray said. =93i=92ve seen her playing over the
years, and her versatility grow. she was jamming off and on with
[ex-team dresch] jody bleyle, and they called me and were like =91come
out and play! let=92s make a record together!=92=94

ray also pulled in members of the birmingham, alabama, band 1945 and
others including michelle malone, danielle howle and donna dresch for
=93prom,=94 recording when she had a few days off from touring with the
indigo girls. the group laid down a song or two as they all had the
time in birmingham or los angeles or athens, georgia.

ray will tour the east and west coasts this spring, and =93do the middle
of the u.s.=94 in september, spending the summer touring with indigo
girls. she=92s already started working on songs for the next record with
saliers, which is due out next january. and always, she keeps up with
her political and community-organizing work. her record label, daemon,
serves as a launching pad for artists and groups she believes in and
wants to work with.

=93we=92re also going to do some more =91honor the earth=92 shows,=94 she said.
=93and do some benefits around solar power. i=92m going to chiapas
[mexico] with a delegation of indigenous hispanic women, and some
non-indigenous women, and we=92re going to study what=92s going on down
there politically, agricultural stuff, really looking forward to
that.=94

but wherever ray=92s career and interests lead her, she always returns
to the south, which many in new york might consider a difficult place
to live for a person with her politics.

=93i actually find it to be really rich in every way,=94 she said. =93i live
in an area that=92s really rural and it can be lonely politically. very
conservative. but there=92s a small group of people that are working for
change, inspiring to see that happen. and for me it=92s really about my
landscape, and the flora and the fauna, and the way the air feels, and
the way the dirt feels. i couldn=92t really live anywhere else.
politically, it would be great if things were really progressive. but
it=92s my home, and there=92s a lot of people where i live, people who
don=92t see eye-to-eye, but i really like them as people, i don=92t really
feel as judgmental, i don=92t defend their stance on gay rights or
racism or class, but i defend their value as human beings. so it=92s
very hard for me when someone from another part of the country disses
the south, or talks about how backwards it is, or how hard it is to be
there. there=92s even good people that i agree with, not all just
fighting and trying to protect yourself. it=92s not all that dramatic
all the time.=94

ray recently played for a brownie troop in her community, and found
that what the kids noted most was her age.

=93these girls are so little, they=92re teeny!=94 said ray, who first
recorded with indigo girls in 1989, but would not say her age. =93when i
told them how old i was, they flipped out. their moms were younger
than me.=94

and yet, a few of them will probably end up identifying with the
indigo girls and the songs on =93prom=94 in just a few years.

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date:         sat, 16 apr 2005 12:28:38 +1000
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@pixelopolis.com>
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hey folks,

here's another article, this one from the philadelphia daily news.
you can read it online
athttp://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/living/11399888.htm.

-sherlyn

---begin forwarded article---
posted on fri, apr. 15, 2005

amy ray at the north star
high school is focus of her 'prom' album
by jonathan takiff
takiffj@phillynews.com

ah, high school. amy ray remembers it all too well and sings about it
brilliantly on her new album, "prom."

also to be showcased live when ray and band hit the north star friday
(apr. 15), these retro-focused tunes sound like punked-up versions of
the stuff she does as half of the folk-rocking indigo girls. and the
lyrics, unlike the coded ig messages addressed to a
non-gender-specific "you," leave almost nothing to the imagination.

high school, you'll learn through ray's "prom" night, was where this
georgia farm girl (and others who've told her their tales) would put
out to fit in. it's where she "fell for guys who tried to commit
suicide" and where she even cut herself once 'cause "everybody did,
just to feel the emptying of everything."

but it's not all darkness and stress. ray's "prom" also packs positive
rallying cries for all the disenfranchised.

ray packs a lot into this set, which is over and done in a scant 32
minutes.

"i have an obsession with short records," offered the talent with a
laugh in our recent chat. "i've always been a real fan of the punk
three-minute song or the pop three-minute song, always obsessed with
making really short records that had no extra... anything. with the
indigos we stretch out more, jam it up live, 'cause i'm a hippy
deadhead, too. but when i'm alone i feel this real need for
minimalism." and obviously, to let it all hang out.

"to me, part of the energy of songwriting and being an independent
artist on my own label [daemon records] is about making your own way,
standing up for yourself and fighting the good fight." all that jibes
perfectly with her notions of what high school life is all about, and
with her energizing messages, "which are applicable to any and
everyone who's ever searched to find out who they are."

this second solo project is not one that ray would ever think of
offering to a major label like epic, for whom the indigo girls have
recorded since 1990, "though that relationship is finally coming to an
end, after the next album of rare songs comes out this summer," ray
said.

did she or her indigo partner, emily saliers, ever have any
"prom"-style material rejected by epic?

"no, they didn't try and dictate what we've done, but this music, for
me, doesn't match up to the group identify. i'm a 41-year-old queer,
political person. i'm not marketable.

"and i think we're done with major labels, under any circumstance.
they're good with image-oriented artists, good at spending money to
get a lot of airplay and display space in stores. that just won't do
with the likes of us. we make our own way, have our own following.
we'd rather be with a bigger independent that supports its artists in
a different way. that's where we're looking to go."

amy ray, with cordero, north star bar, 27th and poplar streets, 9
friday, apr. 15, $12, 215-684-0808, www.northstarbar.com).

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date:         fri, 15 apr 2005 20:12:32 -0700
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i think tickets just went onsale.  they were
supposed to be listed tomorrow, but they are
available now $35 gold circle, $10 lawn.  all is
general admission, divided into the 2 sections.

http://stores.seitzservice.com/cgi-bin/miva?merchant2/merchant.mv+screen=ctgy&store_code=sos&category_code=c003-2005

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date:         sat, 16 apr 2005 16:36:47 -0400
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hi barb,
i think i got my a+e=ig stickers from you.

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guys & gals i still have a lot of ig bumpers left over from a few years
ago when i put thm out on the list.  they say <<amy ray for president>>
<<a+e=ig>> and <<what would amy and emily do?>>

please send a large manilla envelope with your address on it and
postage.

$4 face value.

barb bordner
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date:         mon, 18 apr 2005 12:16:44 +1000
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hey folks,

i know there are a lot of boston-area folks on this list, so i thought
i'd post a heads-up here: sonia and disappear fear are going to be at
club passim on wednesday night.  sonia's been performing and recording
solo for a while, but now she has a new band and is bringing the
disappear fear name back.  i was very excited to hear this (i've
always loved df) and would be there in a heartbeat if i could!

they're also touring quite a bit on the east coast, a little in the
midwest and the southwest as well.  check out
http://www.disappearfear.com for more info...

cheers,
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date:         sun, 17 apr 2005 22:34:52 -0400
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              plea...and ten yrs ago tomorrow...
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i cant make it to beantown to see ms. ray (my hubby has ms, it's flaring up
and i am sure he'd be fine, but i'd be a wreck...)

and prom is good, but not as amazing as say, stag, (or seeing u2 and willie
mason next month...or a trip to dc next month...all of which i need to make
sure hubby is well enough so i can slip away...)

if you go to the show and wanna call me (esp for let it ring...wow.)

then - for some strange reason - i remembered - ten years ago tomorrow - i
saw ig at dartmorth (pre- sus marine days, i think joe h and peip were the
only listees at the show) - a friend and i drove like 12 - 14 hours round
trip (orono, maine to hanover, nh - a heck of a long ride)- amy gave me a
hug and wished me a safe trip home - i got back to my dorm room at like 4
am - slept really late and woke up to something on cnn about ok city...

to folks going to the west coast shows - could you email me - i got a favor
- nothing horrid...

mike r.

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mike-
hope your hubby's ms goes into remission soon. sorry, i don't have a ticket
for you but you are selling prom short!
i love it just as much as stag. i got the cd on wed and saw amy perform
friday night and it was a fantastic concert.
i'm really in love with prom right now, my hubby would say bordering on
obsessive. give it a few more listens and read the lyrics at the same time.
l.

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date:         mon, 18 apr 2005 12:06:57 -0400
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first person to email gets them all.

amy ray
slims, sf 4-28-01
misc live

indigo girls
honor the earth columbia, sc 9-21-97 (2 discs)
glasgow 2-1-02 (2 discs)
mansfield, ma 6-6-97
fillmore denver, co 11-20-99 (2 discs)
gaspirilla street festival 2-5-00
acoustic caf=e9 1-24-00 and 8-25-98
max's kansas city, ks 7-18-89 (2 discs)
manchester 1-31-02 (2 discs)
shepherds bush empire london 11-22-94 2 discs
ben and jerry's festival 1991
earth day 4-22-93
attack of the killer bsides volume 5 and revenge of the rarigies
sioux falls, sd 6-24-00 2 discs
emily solo decatur, ga 8-4-96 and rock for aids 8-18-96
a video history volumes 1-3
atlanta, ga 10-28-00
uk95- 3 days in june
indigo originals 2 discs (rarities)

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any chance i am first?

hope you have a nice day!

steffany caria
stcaria@ucdavis.edu

on mon, 18 apr 2005, elise loschiavo wrote:

> first person to email gets them all.
>=20
> amy ray
> slims, sf 4-28-01
> misc live
>=20
> indigo girls
> honor the earth columbia, sc 9-21-97 (2 discs)
> glasgow 2-1-02 (2 discs)
> mansfield, ma 6-6-97
> fillmore denver, co 11-20-99 (2 discs)
> gaspirilla street festival 2-5-00
> acoustic caf=e9 1-24-00 and 8-25-98
> max's kansas city, ks 7-18-89 (2 discs)
> manchester 1-31-02 (2 discs)
> shepherds bush empire london 11-22-94 2 discs
> ben and jerry's festival 1991
> earth day 4-22-93
> attack of the killer bsides volume 5 and revenge of the rarigies
> sioux falls, sd 6-24-00 2 discs
> emily solo decatur, ga 8-4-96 and rock for aids 8-18-96
> a video history volumes 1-3
> atlanta, ga 10-28-00
> uk95- 3 days in june
> indigo originals 2 discs (rarities)
>=20
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how about send them , copy , add, and use them as a vine???

drooling (well, more than usual...)

mike r.
(really wanting the amy slims show - which i think is a sb)


at 01:44 pm 4/18/2005, steffany caria wrote:
>any chance i am first?
>
>hope you have a nice day!
>
>steffany caria
>stcaria@ucdavis.edu
>
>on mon, 18 apr 2005, elise loschiavo wrote:
>
> > first person to email gets them all.
> >
> > amy ray
> > slims, sf 4-28-01
> > misc live
> >
> > indigo girls
> > honor the earth columbia, sc 9-21-97 (2 discs)
> > glasgow 2-1-02 (2 discs)
> > mansfield, ma 6-6-97
> > fillmore denver, co 11-20-99 (2 discs)
> > gaspirilla street festival 2-5-00
> > acoustic caf=e9 1-24-00 and 8-25-98
> > max's kansas city, ks 7-18-89 (2 discs)
> > manchester 1-31-02 (2 discs)
> > shepherds bush empire london 11-22-94 2 discs
> > ben and jerry's festival 1991
> > earth day 4-22-93
> > attack of the killer bsides volume 5 and revenge of the rarigies
> > sioux falls, sd 6-24-00 2 discs
> > emily solo decatur, ga 8-4-96 and rock for aids 8-18-96
> > a video history volumes 1-3
> > atlanta, ga 10-28-00
> > uk95- 3 days in june
> > indigo originals 2 discs (rarities)
> >
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date:         tue, 19 apr 2005 09:51:27 +1000
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hey folks,

here's a review of amy's recent northampton show, from the republican.
if you want to read it online it's at (long url, needs to be all on one=
line) -
http://www.masslive.com/entertainment/republican/index.ssf?/base/entertainme=
nt-0/111381061180890.xml&coll=3d1

-sherlyn

---begin forwarded article---
indigo girls' amy ray rocks hard in solo gig
monday, april 18, 2005
by donnie moorhouse

northampton - fronting a new band and eschewing the indigo girls catalog=
that
has made her famous, amy ray headlined the ballroom upstairs at pearl=
street
saturday night.

"emily made me promise not to sing 'closer to fine,' without her," ray told=
the
crowd, referring to her indigo girls partner emily saliers and one of their
signature songs. "besides, it would be like exploiting one of your=
children."

instead, ray worked up songs from her new solo release "prom" and showed a
grittier rock side that the folk/pop indigo girls rarely embrace.

after serving as her own roadie, carrying out her guitars and adjusting her
microphone, ray opened the show with a solid rocker "put it out for good,"=
and
embarked on a nearly two-hour exploration of love, gender and rebellion.

ray rocked hard with the help of bassist jody bleyle (who also provided
sterling harmonies throughout the night), guitarist lester nuby and drummer
will lochamy.

the running gag throughout the night was what to name the makeshift group.
fans and band members tossed out suggestions like the republicans=
(prompting
a chorus of boos from the partisan crowd) and the lesbians.

the band seemed to build momentum with each song, playing harder and louder=
as
they moved through the wonderfully raw "driver education" and the=
punk-fueled
"blender."

ray was spitting venom on the fiery "rural faggot" and "lucystoners,"=
offering
a wall-of-sound fury to her three-chords-and-the-truth approach.

bleyle delivered a strong performance, vocally backing ray on "covered for=
you"
and the follow-up "black heart today."

the band left the stage and ray picked up an acoustic guitar to answer a
request for "rodeo," the only "quiet" song of the night, and donned the
mandolin for "johnny rottentail," a furious rocker.

"this is the part of the show i didn't plan," ray said.

the band returned for the finale, a cutting version of "laramie," and ray
announced that there wouldn't be an encore, because it was the only song=
left
that the band knew how to play.

the band cordero, fronted by ani cordero and signed to amy ray's=
independent
daemon records label, opened the show with a 40 minute set.

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date:         mon, 18 apr 2005 17:03:47 -0700
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oh, man!  there's a killer b-sides volume 5???

i have the first four -- treasures, all of them.  when was vol. 5 put=20
out, and how can i get a copy from someone?

-graham ames
hippybear@bigfoot.com

on apr 18, 2005, at 9:06 am, elise loschiavo wrote:

> first person to email gets them all.
>
> amy ray
> slims, sf 4-28-01
> misc live
>
> indigo girls
> honor the earth columbia, sc 9-21-97 (2 discs)
> glasgow 2-1-02 (2 discs)
> mansfield, ma 6-6-97
> fillmore denver, co 11-20-99 (2 discs)
> gaspirilla street festival 2-5-00
> acoustic caf=e9 1-24-00 and 8-25-98
> max's kansas city, ks 7-18-89 (2 discs)
> manchester 1-31-02 (2 discs)
> shepherds bush empire london 11-22-94 2 discs
> ben and jerry's festival 1991
> earth day 4-22-93
> attack of the killer bsides volume 5 and revenge of the rarigies
> sioux falls, sd 6-24-00 2 discs
> emily solo decatur, ga 8-4-96 and rock for aids 8-18-96
> a video history volumes 1-3
> atlanta, ga 10-28-00
> uk95- 3 days in june
> indigo originals 2 discs (rarities)
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okay -

i tried to do this years ago - but everything that was around back then is
dead - no one here probably uses soulseek and i dont think anyone would be
crazy and/or cool enough to get the indigo girls to allow inclusion to
archive.org...

anyways - it would be very easy to do digital distribution (*cough*
www.yousendit.com *cough*)

waiting for my concert phone call...it probably is too late now tho...

mike r.

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live at the uptown lounge vhs.
first person to emial with their address gets it.
thanks!
dee:)

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gone. thanks!

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any input other than mine?  i'd love to see some photos other than what my cell phone took.

i don't remember the set list but wonder if it was comparable to other shows on her tour.  i don't know if she did all her new songs, but she seemed really happy and the energy was palpable.

i swore i'd never go to another ga show, but we were within 10 feet of her without having to wait for hours.  i'm really glad i didn't miss this show ( like i did when she promoted stag).

rena

anyone stay after the show?

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okay -

i tried to do this years ago - but everything that was around back then is
dead - no one here probably uses soulseek and i dont think anyone would be
crazy and/or cool enough to get the indigo girls to allow inclusion to
archive.org...

anyways - it would be very easy to do digital distribution (*cough*
www.yousendit.com *cough*)

waiting for my concert phone call...it probably is too late now tho...

mike r.

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it was almost a magical night last night seeing amy at the bowery ballroom
in nyc last night. the "almost" was due to a lackluster performance from
snow machine. i apologize to anyone who might be a fan of them or enjoyed
their performance last night, but i couldn't wait for it to end. i think for
the most part the crowd seemed to feel the same way. every song had the same
slow depressing beat, and at one point she even said, "this one's kind of
depressing, but we all like to be depressed, don't we?" i don't know about
anyone else, but since i knew amy ray and i shared the same space for the
night, i was really psyched and in a great mood. but luckily, their set
didn't last long, and soon the depressing clowd was lifted from the room.
amy then came out and introduced katz from the athens boys choir who did a
spoken word performance which was awesome! she put new words to will smith's
(the fresh prince) parents just don't understand and sir mix-a-lot's baby
got back reflecting her lifestyle and coming of age as a transexual. should
i have refered to katz as a he? amy did, but he refered to himself as a she
a few times -  i can never figure that out.
after a short break, ms. amy took the stage by storm. she opened with "put
it out for good", and right from the first few notes, you knew that this was
going to be a hot show. amy and her band were just on all night long. every
song was well rehersed and flowed with what seemed like little effort and
incrediable engery. she played all the songs from her new album except for
rodeo, and balck heart today, lucystoners and encored with laramie from
stag. she introduced the band, but it wasn't 1945; whoever they were, they
were great together and amy seemed to enjoy their talents and their company.
i can't say enough about last nights show, if you weren't there, i hope it's
just as good for you in your town, because i'll tell you what - nyc got it's
money's worth last night!
still in awe
kellie

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i saw amy's show monday night in boston and loved it!!! sorry i'm late to=
=20
write about it.=20
i think she played everything except rodeo off of prom. she also played=20
lucystoners, laramie (encore), and black heart today, which is one of my=20
absolute favorites and made me personally quite happy. i swear she played=
=20
something else from stag too. let me think about that. the reason that i sa=
y=20
"i think" she played everything except rodeo off prom is that for some=20
reason i don't clearly recall give in but *that* is the favorite prom song=
=20
of my friend i went to the show with and friend said that yes she did play=
=20
it so i may be just crazy. or maybe she played it right after i was having =
a=20
moment, like with black heart today, covered for you, or let it ring and i=
=20
was in a daze.=20
covered for you is my current favorite song off prom. amy did not say much=
=20
specifically about each song but before cfy she said she wrote it for a=20
friend who is finally in recovery and she made some other poignant remarks=
=20
about the difficulty of being in recovery. indeed. it was an amazing song.=
=20
rural faggot was great and i was happy to see a suspicion confirmed: that=
=20
when it got to the "i'm the dyke who will give it to you" part, many of us=
=20
in the audience shouted along on that line with glee, a la "maybe you=20
squandered three bucks in your lifetime," like as soon as everyone gets to=
=20
know all the songs that will be audience affirmation time.=20
she played let it ring (love it!!!) near the end, maybe the last song=20
before the "encore." at the end she seemed to do a very very faint "this=20
light of mine..." or maybe it was even jody singing it, or both of them,=20
just a faint, faint voice trailing off. i totally wanted to sing along like=
=20
with the album, alas, we aren't quite there yet with the "this little light=
=20
of mine..." like we are with the least complicated na-na-nana-na-na-nas.
i say "encore" because a couple songs before it she said, "will says he's=
=20
never had an encore!" and of course told us they would leave and come back.=
=20
later she said he's young and has many years of encores ahead of him and we=
=20
all screamed and cheered for him. it was just so fun to be in such a small=
=20
club! (my first amy solo show)=20
i stuck around the stage for a little while after and talked to some cool=
=20
audience members and to will lochamy and jody bleyle. i went minimalist to=
=20
the show with a tiny purse, the better to dance around and all, but was ver=
y=20
happy neither of amy's cds is in plastic jewel box cases, so i was able to=
=20
slip both cds and a sharpie marker in my tiny purse for possible signing=20
opportunities. will and jody both signed my prom. i thought will was writin=
g=20
in chinese but then it turned out he was drawing a drum set! rad. jody sat=
=20
on the edge of the stage and talked for a while, about being on tour, music=
,=20
learning the stag and prom songs, etc. then she went back to see if amy was=
=20
going to come out, but came back to report she really seriously needed to=
=20
rest her voice so was not coming out to talk.=20
for those who don't know, monday was the day of the boston marathon which=
=20
is basically a city holiday and the paradise club is not far from all the=
=20
goings-on, so the crowd was in sort of three-day weekend mode. amy asked if=
=20
anyone had run the marathon, and she mentioned that everyone at her hotel=
=20
was there to run the marathon ... she commented on the city basically=20
shutting down for marathon celebration day with a mocking-but-respectful=20
'who knew?' she also at one point donned a boston red sox cap but then did=
=20
not wear it to play, instead hanging it on the mic stand. she said someone=
=20
gave it to her after a show 15 years ago and it's like a good luck cap. she=
=20
really knows how to thrill these self-important, sports-obsessed bostonians=
!=20
(i grew up out west but have 1/2 of my family here, and i also find new=20
england both charming and exasperating.)=20
katharine mcelroy came out to play keyboards on a few of amy's songs. i=20
liked katharine's voice, actually. snow machine was all right. there was=20
also the athens boy choir person, who was funny and had audience=20
participation

. *******
if someone else has mentioned this, i missed it:=20
emily and amy are mentioned in a new book called be happy at work: 100=20
women who love their jobs, and why by joanne gordon. they are in the=20
"heroes, heroines and healers" chapter. (i think i remembered that right.)=
=20
they get a few pages, as does each woman profiled. it's a fairly new=20
hardcover, categorized as a business/management book but also probably on=
=20
the front table or "new non-fiction" display of any borders or barnes &=20
noble right now...it's also bright yellow. they basically talk about being=
=20
activists and songwriters and how those roles complement each other.=20
  that's all i've got,=20
~linda~
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hey folks,

here's an interview with amy from popmatters.  you can read it online
at http://www.popmatters.com/music/interviews/ray-amy-050420.shtml.

-sherlyn

---begin forwarded article---
indie punk rock, gender politics, and the bitch of being earnest
[20 april 2005]
by susan glen

it's gotta be good to be amy ray. as half of the indigo girls (she's
the hot one, the brunette with the husky voice), she's occupied a
respectable spot on pop radio for over 15 years, and has held the role
of patron saint of faded-levis-wearing lesbians almost as long. she
runs a successful indie label even while recording on epic records, is
a committed liberal activist, and commands a nearly cult-like
following. as if all that wasn't quite enough, she's now launched a
solo recording career, beginning with 2001's stag and continuing with
the april release of prom, a disc that sounds a lot like what the
go-go's reunion album should have sounded like, and has that quality
about it that makes you want to roll down the windows and crank up the
volume. it's not quite as punk as punk, not quite as rock as rock, but
far more of both than you'd probably expect from the well-worn
reputation of the granola-eatin', humorless lesbian folk singer.

just a few weeks before the daemon records release of prom, amy ray
called on me on my lunch hour, and i have to admit that my stomach
fluttered a bit to hear the receptionist announce, "susan, amy ray's
holding for you." but ray just wouldn't let me be intimidated by her.
she's laid back, down to earth, and every bit as sexy on the phone as
she is on stage. she's also surprisingly unsure of what to say about
her new release, and characteristically eager to give away the lion's
share of the credit for her success to the musicians with whom she
works. in other words, she's humble and charming and delightfully easy
to talk with. just don't call her the boss.

popmatters: congratulations on prom.

amy ray: thank you!

pm: what do you want people to know about the new record?

ar: oh, god, i don't know! [laughs] it's a ... it's ... well ... it's
well ... i don't know! [more laughter] i guess to me it's just there,
you know? i just put it out there. um, i guess that it's a rock record
slash punk record sorta rockpunk, and it's a sorta cohesive project
that tries to engage the person listening to it to think about their
own identity, where they came from and where they're going, and, you
know, struggles to tackle complexities of our development during our
formative years. no matter how old you are now, i think we all go
through the same things, we just have a different language around it
according to what generation we're from.

pm: is that why there's so much high school imagery on the record?

ar: yeah, i think so. i mean, i didn't know i was doing that until i
had written about three or four songs, and then i was like, "oh, okay,
this must be where i'm at, you know?"

pm: how did you end up working with all the amazing musicians on this
album, like michelle malone and kate schellenbach and the whole team
dresch posse...?

ar: luck, pretty much. kate's been a friend of mine for a while, and
she played on the last solo record i did. i was like, you know, i
really wanted her to do more, because she only did one song on the
last record. so i thought about it over the last couple of years and
she just emailed me or something and said, "i've been jammin' with
jody from team dresch and i really want you to come out and play with
us sometime." and i did, just for fun, and it went really well. so we
decided that we would start working on songs. and then donna dresch
came into the picture a little bit later. michelle, i always call her
for everything. she comes in and does stuff no matter what i'm doing.
the other band is called 1945, and they're some friends of mine from
birmingham, alabama. they're really some of my favorite musicians
ever, so i just incorporated them into the picture as well. it was all
just people i know, and i just love the way they play.

pm: people talk about this record as a "solo" record, but it sounds
like it was actually pretty collaborative.

ar: very collaborative! it's only solo in the context of the fact that
i'm not doing it in the indigo girls.

pm: so what does emily [sailers, the other half of the indigo girls]
think of all this?

ar: she loves the record, actually. she's been very complimentary.
she's very supportive. i mean, i don't know, she may have some secret
thought about it or something i don't know about. [laughs] but she's
always been supportive of it, and i sent it to her as soon as i was
done, and wait to get her blessing on it, whether she likes it or not.
i ask her questions when i'm in the middle of recording. it's good.

pm: so she's not afraid you're going to dump the indigo girls and run
off into the sunset?

ar: no, because i've already made one record and i didn't dump the
indigo girls then, so i thinks she's pretty sure ... we're pretty
loyal to this, to what we're doing.

pm: so when you sit down to write a song, do you know immediately if
you're writing an indigo girls song or an amy ray song?

ar: um, i know once i've started. i can feel what direction it's
pulling me. usually an indigo girls song is just, more, i can hear two
voices on it, really distinctly. so it just feels like an indigos
song.

pm: since "identity" is such a prominent theme on prom, i'd like to
talk a bit about how you see yourself. a lot of people identify you
primarily as an activist. but do you see yourself as an activist first
and a musician second? or a musician first ... or something else
first? how does that all shake out to you?

ar: um, i'm not really good at separating my activism and my music
anymore. everything i do, i do with an activist bias to it. there's
some songs, certainly, that i write that have nothing to do with
activism, that are just fun songs. but the way that i live and the way
that the indigo girls run their business and the way i think about my
solo life and what my point is, there's an agenda. and it's for better
or worse, because sometimes it's negative, because it feels so heavy
to people. it's just who i am, i can't really help it. once you start
seeing things through that lens, it's hard to sorta shut it down and
see it another way.

pm: you say it might feel heavy to other people, but does it feel
heavy to you?

ar: no, it energizes me. it's what feeds me. like, when me and emily
have to go do a talk about nuclear power or something, and the adverse
effects of it, i feel really energized afterwards. i mean, i can do
anything then, even, just, you know, mow the lawn. [laughs] it just
makes me feel good. it gives me energy to live, to be involved in the
activism, and to know the people i know who are great activists.

pm: so you and emily go out and do ... talks?

ar: [laughing] yeah, we try to keep it a secret, because we don't want
to do too many of them. we'll go to a college and stuff. we just did
this symposium on women and leadership. we went and spoke on the
organization we helped start, called honor the earth. it's an
environmental organization we started with some native americans, and
we fund front-line grassroots native american environmental groups. we
give them grants, through work that we do raising money and lobbying.
so, we'll go talk about that, and in that talk we'll talk about ...
like, recently we talked about energy issues, issues around renewable
vs. non-renewable power, the adverse effects of fossil fuels and
nuclear energy and uranium mining and processing, as opposed to solar
power or wind energy. we just talk about it from the perspective of
lay-people, and why we think this is important, and why we do what we
do, and it's just sorta the activist part of us. a lot of time when we
speak, we try to have someone with us who's an expert. it's part of
our honor the earth environmental activism. sometimes we'll go to
universities and talk about being gay, or being women in the industry,
or being songwriters. it just depends on what we're asked to do.

pm: but this is all a big secret?

ar: well ... it's really hard! [laughs] it takes a lot of preparation,
like three days of studying so you can answer all the questions. um,
we're just not really public speakers. we really enjoy doing q and a
type stuff. when we go play schools, especially colleges, they'll
sometimes ask us to do a question and answer with the gay straight
alliance or with the women's group, or with the music program or
whatever. and we love doing that, and if we have time, we always do.
but these other things are so intense!

pm: so, i should i play that part down, so you don't get swamped with
requests?

ar: [laughing] nah, it'll be okay. we've got no problem saying no if
we can't do it. [laughs again]

pm: you know, talking so much about such serious politics, are you
afraid you're going to end up like a saturday night live joan baez
skit? you know, the whole "how dare you laugh when there's so much
suffering in the world" thing?

ar: we already have that label to a certain extent, so it's too late!
[laughing] we can still do fun things too, and my solo stuff is so
much more centered around gender identity and gay issues, and if you
just heard my solo records, you probably wouldn't even know that i was
an environmentalist. you might know i loved nature, but you wouldn't
know i was an activist. but we're not afraid of that. it's already
happened: we were called "earnest" from the very beginning. and you
can't go back, once you've been called that [laughing] it's like,
"well, that's it!"

pm: well hat's off, because you manage to be earnest while still
making solo records that you can dance to in the living room!

ar: oh, good! that was actually a goal with prom. i was like, i really
want to make a record you can dance to.

pm: and you've managed to create a very lighthearted sound, while
kinda sliding some fairly serious discussions in right under the
radar.

ar: you know, that's really about the musicians, too. like, kate is a
real ... she's a happy drummer! [laughing] she's got that soul, from
the r&b music she's listened to or something, but it makes her a happy
drummer. so she really infuses that in there.

pm: [laughing] now i have this picture of her sitting behind her drum
kit with a big yellow smiley face painted on the bass drum.

ar: [laughing] oh good, i'll tell her that.

pm: let me switch gears here for a minute. i heard a rumor that you
went to michigan last year [the michigan womyn's music festival], not
as a performer, but just a regular "festie"...

ar: yeah, i did. i mean, i didn't stay in festie-world ... i got to
camp in the artist section. i love it. my partner in life works there,
and she was on short crew last year, so i enjoy it. i go even if i
don't play.

pm: what is your take on the controversy surrounding michigan's
admission policy? [the policy reads that the festival is open to
"womyn-born-womyn," and has become a rallying point for many
transgender activists.]

ar: i did a series of interviews when i was there, actually, and i'm
going to publish them. i interviewed a representative of camp trans
and a bunch of people on that side of the issue, and then i
interviewed a bunch of people on the other side, like bitch [formerly
of bitch and animal] and lisa [vogel, founder and producer of the
festival]. and in the end it was hard for me to know where i stood! in
the beginning, i was pretty sure that i felt like the admission policy
needed to change. and i felt pretty strongly about it. but then, by
the end of it, i was like, aaagh, this is so hard, because i respect
lisa vogel so much and i respect the need for a safe space and for
this issue ... with some people feeling like it's not safe, and not
even safe for some of the transgendered people who come on the land as
well. and so, i ended up feeling like ... the festival has a right to
do what they want to do. it was started by a group of women for a
certain reason, and we can claim it as a community and claim a certain
amount of proprietary right over it, but we don't have complete
proprietary rights over it. but what i wish is that we could have an
admission policy that would include transgendered women. that's what i
wish. because i don't personally feel threatened by it. but then when
i talk to somebody who does, i feel a lot of sympathy for them and for
their position. but in my personal life, it doesn't threaten me but
when you talk to lisa vogel about it, you can really understand why
she feels the way she does.

pm: so, you're going to publish these interviews?

ar: yeah, as soon as i get around to it. i made the mistake of
interviewing people for like an hour, and having ... you know, i payed
my sister's partner to transcribe the interviews, cuz i got so
discouraged after i started doing it! we're going to put it on the
indigo girls web site, or on the daemon web site or something.

pm: you mentioned daemon, your record label. how is it to record as
indigo girls on a major label, but do your solo stuff on an indie?

ar: i started that label about 15 years ago, and we had gotten signed
to epic. i had some money, and i didn't want to leave the independent
world behind. i feel a real affinity for it and i feel real at home in
it. it was like, i've got all these friends who are in bands and
nobody has any money and can afford to make their own records ... this
was at a time when it wasn't so cheap to make your own records. so i
signed this punk band, and it was fun, so i just kept going. it's been
a long journey. i have three people who work for me currently, so it's
not just me. it's truly a labor of love for them.

pm: how involved are you in the day-to-day of the label, and the
signing of the bands?

ar: a lot. we talk every day. i know what's going on all the time.
like, when i was working on this solo record, there were a couple of
weeks in there where i was so in the thick of finishing the record
that i couldn't even communicate with them. and they're fine -- they
don't need to talk to me! [laughs] i go to the office when i'm home
once a week, and help out with mailings or whatever, and we just sit
down and have a meeting and discuss strategy for every record. we're
friends. i say yes or no to things, and they're all really good at
their jobs. they specialize in what they do. we're a group working on
something together. i mean, they call me their boss in a jokingly way,
but it's not really like that. they try to make me feel bad cuz they
know i don't like that word. like, "okay, boss!"

pm: i talked one time with rose polenzani [who released two record on
dameon, anybody in 1999 and rose polenzani in 2001], and she was
beaming over the experience of working with daemon. it was such a nice
change of pace to hear an artist who loved her label.

ar: she's a great one. she just put out a record on her own it's an
interesting time for indie labels right now. an artist like rose is
almost better off doing her own thing. because she can make all of the
money from each record she sells -- it can all go back to her. and
she's already got a base of people who know who she is. really, the
way you get well-known is through touring, and she just keeps building
on that, and get better and better. my feeling is that she doesn't
need us. i try to be honest with the artists. like, i think she can do
more for herself right now than we can do for her.

pm: so the place of daemon is more about helping out new artists?

ar: yeah, i guess it's just about how you want to do things. i know
rose's style, and how she works, and i know she'll be able to do it
just as well on her own. there are some established bands we are still
working with, but it's because there's something we're giving them
that they can't give themselves. and it changes from group to group.
it could be the way we get press for them, or they're strictly a radio
band.

pm: do you have a particular style of music you're more interested in
working with?

ar: just left of center. if it's folk music, it needs to be someone
like rose, who's bizarre and totally creative and not doing the same
old shit. and if it's a rock band or a punk band, there needs to be
really good song writing. just something with substance.

pm: so you're personally involved in choosing who daemon will work
with?

ar: oh, yeah. yeah. we all bring different people to the table.

pm: do you ever get vetoed by the group?

ar: i have gotten vetoed, actually! the way i look at it, if they
don't like it, they're not gonna do a good job on it. i almost got
vetoed this last year with this punk band that we put out. i was
really bummed, but i pushed it. i was like, you know what? this is one
time when i'm gonna pull the boss card, and we just have to do this
cuz i know it's gonna work out. and i was right! but i really was sure
about it. usually, if they veto me i'll let it stand, because it means
it's not going to go well. the same thing has happened to them. but if
someone feels really strongly about something, we usually defer to
them.

pm: will the indigo girls ever release something on your label?

ar: no. no. i mean, emily wouldn't ... no. that would not work. that
would be like, my label, and it would be hard for her to get mad at me
if i didn't do promotion right. you gotta have a little bit of
separation. and we have to be able to be a united front, you know, me
and emily. we can't be united against me!

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hey folks,

there's an article about amy in the weekly planet (i'm not 100% sure,
but it looks like a tampa publication).  i won't post it here because
i don't think there's too much new in it, but you can read it online
at:
http://www.weeklyplanet.com/2005-04-13/cover5.html

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"should i have refered to katz as a he? amy did, but he refered to himself as a she a few times -  i can never figure that out."

for as long as i've known him katz goes by he.

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i am positively panicking, reading in this article about the fact that the butchies might break up.
waaaaah

sus

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> hey folks,
>
> there's an article about amy in the weekly planet (i'm not 100% sure,
> but it looks like a tampa publication). i won't post it here because
> i don't think there's too much new in it, but you can read it online
> at:
> http://www.weeklyplanet.com/2005-04-13/cover5.html
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quoting susan marine <susmarine@comcast.net>:

> i am positively panicking, reading in this article about the fact that the
> butchies might break up.
> waaaaah


i wouldn't worry too much, susan.  it sounds like they're just trying to define
themselves individually and as a band, and with the current political climate,
that can't be too easy in north carolina.  maybe they'll move back to the pnw
and i'll get to go to all of their shows!  that would be cool.

in any case, "make yr life" is the best album they've ever put out, and to me it
indicates that they have a whole lot more music to explore together.

anna

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well, i've been listening to this cd non-stop for a week.  so, now it is time for a discussion (remember the old days on the list when we used to discuss ig songs?).

i really like...
put it out for good
driver education
rural faggot
let it ring

here is a cool story about "let it ring."  last thursday, i was stuck in traffic during rush hour heading down 270 south (st. louis).  i made an attempt to get around the traffic by getting off onto hwy 40 and taking ballas road as far south as i could.  this took me past st. john's and missouri baptist hostpitals.  the traffic was horrendous, so i couldn't go anywhere.

at the entrance to st. john's, there were several women picketing.  there was one woman with a poster that was literally bigger than life-size.  it was one of those disgusting pictures of an aborted fetus.  the others were marching with signs that read, "there is an abortionist working at st. john's medical center."  of course, st. john's is a catholic hospital, and we know that view on abortion.  yet, i'm sure there is more than one doctor who works at that hospital/medical center who has performed abortions.

as i was sitting in this traffic, i had prom playing in the cd player.  while i was stopped and a captive audience, the "big poster lady" proceeded to bring her disgusting display over to my car and began to preach to me.  i thought it was very funny that at that moment, "let it ring" was playing.  i told her that i did not share her views, that i felt abortion was a personal decision to be made by the woman (and possibly the father) involved.  she went on telling me that the bible said this and the bible said that.  i told her that i think she is wrong, along with her friends, and that she had too much time on her hands.  she became very brusque, then and asked me what i thought "hell" would be like.  i answered, "it is probably hot--just like it is now--and i bet eternity there would be filled by annoying persons such as yourself, cramming their views down everyone's throat!"  then, i asked her to get away from my car and leave me alone.  she replied by sticking her head in
to my
window and trying to force me to side with her.  i reached for the volume on my stereo, turned up "let it ring" loud enough for her and all her cohorts to hear.  then i yelled, "lady, if you don't take your f*$&ing head out of my window, i will roll it up in it!"  just then the traffic started moving and i took off, forcing her to pull herself out of my personal space or be dragged along with my car as it sped down the road!

ok, onward.  does anyone have any thoughts/insight on "rodeo?"  what is this song about?  is rodeo literal or metaphoric?  what do you think, "...i am just a rodeo calf with tender feet and sewn on horns" means?  my interpretation in this song's context is that amy is maybe masquerading as a tough and worldly dyke, but it is just a front, and she really has no clue about life or love.  does anyone else have a different take?

i also would like to see what you all think of the meaning of "sober girl."  the rest of the song doesn't seem to go with the first line.  what does she mean by, "i'm a sober girl, not for any good reason?"  it reminds me of an article i read in a wine magazine years ago, which was an interview with emily (and maybe leslie) about their wine preferences and such.  in the article, emily said that amy never drinks with them after the shows.  she said she didn't really know why, implying that it wasn't because of an alcohol problem.  is it that maybe amy just doesn't like alcohol?

input please!

thanks,
toye

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i'm guessing that the 'sober' was maybe a
reference to a different meaning:

-plain or subdued: sober attire.
-devoid of frivolity, excess, exaggeration, or
speculative imagination; straightforward: gave a
sober assessment of the situation.
-marked by seriousness, gravity, or solemnity of
conduct or character. see synonyms at serious.
-marked by circumspection and self-restraint.

but i could be wrong.  admittedly i haven't heard
the song yet.

t.

> i also would like to see what you all think of
> the meaning of "sober girl."  the rest of the
> song doesn't seem to go with the first line.
> what does she mean by, "i'm a sober girl, not
> for any good reason?"  it reminds me of an
> article i read in a wine magazine years ago,
> which was an interview with emily (and maybe
> leslie) about their wine preferences and such.
> in the article, emily said that amy never
> drinks with them after the shows.  she said she
> didn't really know why, implying that it wasn't
> because of an alcohol problem.  is it that
> maybe amy just doesn't like alcohol?


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there's another recent interview in which amy talks about choosing not to drink because she is after a sort of purity in life and in  love, that she thinks cannot be achieved when using alcohol. she said that it was hard to explain to people why she doesn't drink because it is not the result of addiction ("not for any good reason"), but rather a choice based on her worldview or personal goals or whatever. does that answer your question? i think i agree with your rodeo analysis...

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well, i've been listening to this cd non-stop for a week.  so, now it is time
for a discussion (remember the old days on the list when we used to discuss ig
songs?).

i really like...
put it out for good
driver education
rural faggot
let it ring

here is a cool story about "let it ring."  last thursday, i was stuck in traffic
during rush hour heading down 270 south (st. louis).  i made an attempt to get
around the traffic by getting off onto hwy 40 and taking ballas road as far
south as i could.  this took me past st. john's and missouri baptist hostpitals.
the traffic was horrendous, so i couldn't go anywhere.

at the entrance to st. john's, there were several women picketing.  there was
one woman with a poster that was literally bigger than life-size.  it was one of
those disgusting pictures of an aborted fetus.  the others were marching with
signs that read, "there is an abortionist working at st. john's medical center."
of course, st. john's is a catholic hospital, and we know that view on abortion.
yet, i'm sure there is more than one doctor who works at that hospital/medical
center who has performed abortions.

as i was sitting in this traffic, i had prom playing in the cd player.  while i
was stopped and a captive audience, the "big poster lady" proceeded to bring her
disgusting display over to my car and began to preach to me.  i thought it was
very funny that at that moment, "let it ring" was playing.  i told her that i
did not share her views, that i felt abortion was a personal decision to be made
by the woman (and possibly the father) involved.  she went on telling me that
the bible said this and the bible said that.  i told her that i think she is
wrong, along with her friends, and that she had too much time on her hands.  she
became very brusque, then and asked me what i thought "hell" would be like.  i
answered, "it is probably hot--just like it is now--and i bet eternity there
would be filled by annoying persons such as yourself, cramming their views down
everyone's throat!"  then, i asked her to get away from my car and leave me
alone.  she replied by sticking her head in
to my
window and trying to force me to side with her.  i reached for the volume on my
stereo, turned up "let it ring" loud enough for her and all her cohorts to hear.
then i yelled, "lady, if you don't take your f*$&ing head out of my window, i
will roll it up in it!"  just then the traffic started moving and i took off,
forcing her to pull herself out of my personal space or be dragged along with my
car as it sped down the road!

ok, onward.  does anyone have any thoughts/insight on "rodeo?"  what is this
song about?  is rodeo literal or metaphoric?  what do you think, "...i am just a
rodeo calf with tender feet and sewn on horns" means?  my interpretation in this
song's context is that amy is maybe masquerading as a tough and worldly dyke,
but it is just a front, and she really has no clue about life or love.  does
anyone else have a different take?

i also would like to see what you all think of the meaning of "sober girl."  the
rest of the song doesn't seem to go with the first line.  what does she mean by,
"i'm a sober girl, not for any good reason?"  it reminds me of an article i read
in a wine magazine years ago, which was an interview with emily (and maybe
leslie) about their wine preferences and such.  in the article, emily said that
amy never drinks with them after the shows.  she said she didn't really know
why, implying that it wasn't because of an alcohol problem.  is it that maybe
amy just doesn't like alcohol?

input please!

thanks,
toye

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i think the only song i really didn't like was pennies on the track and i
think let it ring is my favorite! i listened to that song 4times in a row
yesterday on my way home from work, singing it as loud as i can stand to
hear my own voice. i really need to sit down with the lyrics and listen to
the songs at the same time to really get the deeper meanings, right now i
mostly listen to music in my car. however since the first listen, and seeing
the show on tuesday at the bowery, i now have a favorite new cd that i think
will stick around in my player for a long time! thanks for the topic!
kellie

>from: toye gillman <toye77@sbcglobal.net>
>reply-to: toye gillman <toye77@sbcglobal.net>
>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
>subject: prom
>date: thu, 21 apr 2005 08:57:33 -0700
>
>well, i've been listening to this cd non-stop for a week.  so, now it is
>time for a discussion (remember the old days on the list when we used to
>discuss ig songs?).
>
>i really like...
>put it out for good
>driver education
>rural faggot
>let it ring
>
>here is a cool story about "let it ring."  last thursday, i was stuck in
>traffic during rush hour heading down 270 south (st. louis).  i made an
>attempt to get around the traffic by getting off onto hwy 40 and taking
>ballas road as far south as i could.  this took me past st. john's and
>missouri baptist hostpitals.  the traffic was horrendous, so i couldn't go
>anywhere.
>
>at the entrance to st. john's, there were several women picketing.  there
>was one woman with a poster that was literally bigger than life-size.  it
>was one of those disgusting pictures of an aborted fetus.  the others were
>marching with signs that read, "there is an abortionist working at st.
>john's medical center."  of course, st. john's is a catholic hospital, and
>we know that view on abortion.  yet, i'm sure there is more than one doctor
>who works at that hospital/medical center who has performed abortions.
>
>as i was sitting in this traffic, i had prom playing in the cd player.
>while i was stopped and a captive audience, the "big poster lady" proceeded
>to bring her disgusting display over to my car and began to preach to me.
>i thought it was very funny that at that moment, "let it ring" was playing.
>  i told her that i did not share her views, that i felt abortion was a
>personal decision to be made by the woman (and possibly the father)
>involved.  she went on telling me that the bible said this and the bible
>said that.  i told her that i think she is wrong, along with her friends,
>and that she had too much time on her hands.  she became very brusque, then
>and asked me what i thought "hell" would be like.  i answered, "it is
>probably hot--just like it is now--and i bet eternity there would be filled
>by annoying persons such as yourself, cramming their views down everyone's
>throat!"  then, i asked her to get away from my car and leave me alone.
>she replied by sticking her head in
>  to my
>  window and trying to force me to side with her.  i reached for the volume
>on my stereo, turned up "let it ring" loud enough for her and all her
>cohorts to hear.  then i yelled, "lady, if you don't take your f*$&ing head
>out of my window, i will roll it up in it!"  just then the traffic started
>moving and i took off, forcing her to pull herself out of my personal space
>or be dragged along with my car as it sped down the road!
>
>ok, onward.  does anyone have any thoughts/insight on "rodeo?"  what is
>this song about?  is rodeo literal or metaphoric?  what do you think, "...i
>am just a rodeo calf with tender feet and sewn on horns" means?  my
>interpretation in this song's context is that amy is maybe masquerading as
>a tough and worldly dyke, but it is just a front, and she really has no
>clue about life or love.  does anyone else have a different take?
>
>i also would like to see what you all think of the meaning of "sober girl."
>  the rest of the song doesn't seem to go with the first line.  what does
>she mean by, "i'm a sober girl, not for any good reason?"  it reminds me of
>an article i read in a wine magazine years ago, which was an interview with
>emily (and maybe leslie) about their wine preferences and such.  in the
>article, emily said that amy never drinks with them after the shows.  she
>said she didn't really know why, implying that it wasn't because of an
>alcohol problem.  is it that maybe amy just doesn't like alcohol?
>
>input please!
>
>thanks,
>toye
>
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no, definately refers to drinking.

-----original message-----
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subject: re: prom - sober


i'm guessing that the 'sober' was maybe a
reference to a different meaning:

-plain or subdued: sober attire.
-devoid of frivolity, excess, exaggeration, or
speculative imagination; straightforward: gave a
sober assessment of the situation.
-marked by seriousness, gravity, or solemnity of
conduct or character. see synonyms at serious.
-marked by circumspection and self-restraint.

but i could be wrong.  admittedly i haven't heard
the song yet.

t.

> i also would like to see what you all think of
> the meaning of "sober girl."  the rest of the
> song doesn't seem to go with the first line.
> what does she mean by, "i'm a sober girl, not
> for any good reason?"  it reminds me of an
> article i read in a wine magazine years ago,
> which was an interview with emily (and maybe
> leslie) about their wine preferences and such.
> in the article, emily said that amy never
> drinks with them after the shows.  she said she
> didn't really know why, implying that it wasn't
> because of an alcohol problem.  is it that
> maybe amy just doesn't like alcohol?


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i did think of the alternate meaning of sober (somber, solemn); but it did not make sense to be sober in that way and say that it is "not for any good reason."  therefore, i thought it did reference alcohol, but still do not quite know how that fits with the rest of the song...

btw, thanks everyone for your interesting responses!
toye

"<sarah t. rosenblum>" <rainnriver@aol.com> wrote:
no, definately refers to drinking.

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i'm guessing that the 'sober' was maybe a
reference to a different meaning:

-plain or subdued: sober attire.

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isn't it kind of odd and ironic though that if the reason she doesn't drink is
for purity reason that she advocates the legalization and admits to smoking
pot?  something doesn't add up with it....
laura

quoting "<sarah t. rosenblum>" <rainnriver@aol.com>:

> there's another recent interview in which amy talks about choosing not to
> drink because she is after a sort of purity in life and in  love, that she
> thinks cannot be achieved when using alcohol. she said that it was hard to
> explain to people why she doesn't drink because it is not the result of
> addiction ("not for any good reason"), but rather a choice based on her
> worldview or personal goals or whatever. does that answer your question? i
> think i agree with your rodeo analysis...
>
> -----original message-----
> from: toye gillman <toye77@sbcglobal.net>
> to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
> sent: thu, 21 apr 2005 08:57:33 -0700
> subject: prom
>
>
> well, i've been listening to this cd non-stop for a week.  so, now it is time
> for a discussion (remember the old days on the list when we used to discuss
> ig
> songs?).
>
> i really like...
> put it out for good
> driver education
> rural faggot
> let it ring
>
> here is a cool story about "let it ring."  last thursday, i was stuck in
> traffic
> during rush hour heading down 270 south (st. louis).  i made an attempt to
> get
> around the traffic by getting off onto hwy 40 and taking ballas road as far
> south as i could.  this took me past st. john's and missouri baptist
> hostpitals.
> the traffic was horrendous, so i couldn't go anywhere.
>
> at the entrance to st. john's, there were several women picketing.  there was
> one woman with a poster that was literally bigger than life-size.  it was one
> of
> those disgusting pictures of an aborted fetus.  the others were marching with
> signs that read, "there is an abortionist working at st. john's medical
> center."
> of course, st. john's is a catholic hospital, and we know that view on
> abortion.
> yet, i'm sure there is more than one doctor who works at that
> hospital/medical
> center who has performed abortions.
>
> as i was sitting in this traffic, i had prom playing in the cd player.  while
> i
> was stopped and a captive audience, the "big poster lady" proceeded to bring
> her
> disgusting display over to my car and began to preach to me.  i thought it
> was
> very funny that at that moment, "let it ring" was playing.  i told her that i
> did not share her views, that i felt abortion was a personal decision to be
> made
> by the woman (and possibly the father) involved.  she went on telling me that
> the bible said this and the bible said that.  i told her that i think she is
> wrong, along with her friends, and that she had too much time on her hands.
> she
> became very brusque, then and asked me what i thought "hell" would be like.
> i
> answered, "it is probably hot--just like it is now--and i bet eternity there
> would be filled by annoying persons such as yourself, cramming their views
> down
> everyone's throat!"  then, i asked her to get away from my car and leave me
> alone.  she replied by sticking her head in
>  to my
>  window and trying to force me to side with her.  i reached for the volume on
> my
> stereo, turned up "let it ring" loud enough for her and all her cohorts to
> hear.
> then i yelled, "lady, if you don't take your f*$&ing head out of my window, i
> will roll it up in it!"  just then the traffic started moving and i took off,
> forcing her to pull herself out of my personal space or be dragged along with
> my
> car as it sped down the road!
>
> ok, onward.  does anyone have any thoughts/insight on "rodeo?"  what is this
> song about?  is rodeo literal or metaphoric?  what do you think, "...i am
> just a
> rodeo calf with tender feet and sewn on horns" means?  my interpretation in
> this
> song's context is that amy is maybe masquerading as a tough and worldly dyke,
> but it is just a front, and she really has no clue about life or love.  does
> anyone else have a different take?
>
> i also would like to see what you all think of the meaning of "sober girl."
> the
> rest of the song doesn't seem to go with the first line.  what does she mean
> by,
> "i'm a sober girl, not for any good reason?"  it reminds me of an article i
> read
> in a wine magazine years ago, which was an interview with emily (and maybe
> leslie) about their wine preferences and such.  in the article, emily said
> that
> amy never drinks with them after the shows.  she said she didn't really know
> why, implying that it wasn't because of an alcohol problem.  is it that maybe
> amy just doesn't like alcohol?
>
> input please!
>
> thanks,
> toye
>
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thats the equivalent of rastafarians not drinking coffee because it has b=
een=20
deemed bad for you........

on thursday 21 april 2005 11:59 am, you wrote:
> isn't it kind of odd and ironic though that if the reason she doesn't d=
rink
> is for purity reason that she advocates the legalization and admits to
> smoking pot?  something doesn't add up with it....
> laura
>
>=20

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i wonder about that too. i mean, maybe she's pro-choice on it: she doesn't use but feels it should be legal? however, i've heard she does use. does anyone actually know if she's still a big smoker? i mean maybe she cut that out ten years ago too.

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subject: re: prom


isn't it kind of odd and ironic though that if the reason she doesn't drink is
for purity reason that she advocates the legalization and admits to smoking
pot?  something doesn't add up with it....
laura

quoting "<sarah t. rosenblum>" <rainnriver@aol.com>:

> there's another recent interview in which amy talks about choosing not to
> drink because she is after a sort of purity in life and in  love, that she
> thinks cannot be achieved when using alcohol. she said that it was hard to
> explain to people why she doesn't drink because it is not the result of
> addiction ("not for any good reason"), but rather a choice based on her
> worldview or personal goals or whatever. does that answer your question? i
> think i agree with your rodeo analysis...
>
> -----original message-----
> from: toye gillman <toye77@sbcglobal.net>
> to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
> sent: thu, 21 apr 2005 08:57:33 -0700
> subject: prom
>
>
> well, i've been listening to this cd non-stop for a week.  so, now it is time
> for a discussion (remember the old days on the list when we used to discuss
> ig
> songs?).
>
> i really like...
> put it out for good
> driver education
> rural faggot
> let it ring
>
> here is a cool story about "let it ring."  last thursday, i was stuck in
> traffic
> during rush hour heading down 270 south (st. louis).  i made an attempt to
> get
> around the traffic by getting off onto hwy 40 and taking ballas road as far
> south as i could.  this took me past st. john's and missouri baptist
> hostpitals.
> the traffic was horrendous, so i couldn't go anywhere.
>
> at the entrance to st. john's, there were several women picketing.  there was
> one woman with a poster that was literally bigger than life-size.  it was one
> of
> those disgusting pictures of an aborted fetus.  the others were marching with
> signs that read, "there is an abortionist working at st. john's medical
> center."
> of course, st. john's is a catholic hospital, and we know that view on
> abortion.
> yet, i'm sure there is more than one doctor who works at that
> hospital/medical
> center who has performed abortions.
>
> as i was sitting in this traffic, i had prom playing in the cd player.  while
> i
> was stopped and a captive audience, the "big poster lady" proceeded to bring
> her
> disgusting display over to my car and began to preach to me.  i thought it
> was
> very funny that at that moment, "let it ring" was playing.  i told her that i
> did not share her views, that i felt abortion was a personal decision to be
> made
> by the woman (and possibly the father) involved.  she went on telling me that
> the bible said this and the bible said that.  i told her that i think she is
> wrong, along with her friends, and that she had too much time on her hands.
> she
> became very brusque, then and asked me what i thought "hell" would be like.
> i
> answered, "it is probably hot--just like it is now--and i bet eternity there
> would be filled by annoying persons such as yourself, cramming their views
> down
> everyone's throat!"  then, i asked her to get away from my car and leave me
> alone.  she replied by sticking her head in
>  to my
>  window and trying to force me to side with her.  i reached for the volume on
> my
> stereo, turned up "let it ring" loud enough for her and all her cohorts to
> hear.
> then i yelled, "lady, if you don't take your f*$&ing head out of my window, i
> will roll it up in it!"  just then the traffic started moving and i took off,
> forcing her to pull herself out of my personal space or be dragged along with
> my
> car as it sped down the road!
>
> ok, onward.  does anyone have any thoughts/insight on "rodeo?"  what is this
> song about?  is rodeo literal or metaphoric?  what do you think, "...i am
> just a
> rodeo calf with tender feet and sewn on horns" means?  my interpretation in
> this
> song's context is that amy is maybe masquerading as a tough and worldly dyke,
> but it is just a front, and she really has no clue about life or love.  does
> anyone else have a different take?
>
> i also would like to see what you all think of the meaning of "sober girl."
> the
> rest of the song doesn't seem to go with the first line.  what does she mean
> by,
> "i'm a sober girl, not for any good reason?"  it reminds me of an article i
> read
> in a wine magazine years ago, which was an interview with emily (and maybe
> leslie) about their wine preferences and such.  in the article, emily said
> that
> amy never drinks with them after the shows.  she said she didn't really know
> why, implying that it wasn't because of an alcohol problem.  is it that maybe
> amy just doesn't like alcohol?
>
> input please!
>
> thanks,
> toye
>
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oh man, here's hoping i dont get a beatdown for this -
but my thought on rodeo is that its my least favorite
song on the album.  ever since she debuted it at ig
shows it has at best bored me and at worst signalled i
should take a bathroom break so i didnt have to hear
it.

--- toye gillman <toye77@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> does anyone have any thoughts/insight
> on "rodeo?"


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why do i end up following you on this topic icy?!

prom:

put it out for good - love the song much better live
than on the cd.

driver education - same as above but about 10 times
more!  i think the cd version is way to bubble gum/pop
sounding for my own personal taste, but she rocks it
out live!

rural faggot - what a fucking great song!!

give in - this one didn't strike me one way or the
other, but since seeing it live i have found it much
more enjoyable.

covered for you - i have issues with this one...i love
the live recording i have of it from before she
recorded prom.  it is much more gut renching than the
current cd version.  i think on the cd she sounds a
little monotone...

blender - i really like this song a lot!  it brings me
back to my days when i used to listen to alot more
punk and alternative rock...

sober girl - i was impartial on this one until seeing
it live, and now it is one of my favorite tracks.

pennies on the track - this is with out a doubt my
favortite track on the disc!!!  i just really think
she out did herself on this (imho).

rodeo - also one my favorites.  i think she sounds so
vulnerable with this one.  someone once told me the
butcher they are the harder they fall...

let it ring - so let me start this by saying that when
i listen to music, i almost always here the music
first and then process the lyrics secondarily.  but
once i saw this live it really clicked for me.  i love
the big "fuck you" to the religious right, and if you
get the opportunity to see her perform it live it is
really intense.

my top 3 faves:

pennies, rodeo, let it ring

overall i think the cd is great, and i have to process
my listening differently depending on hearing the cd
or listening to her live.  i just got off from seeing
her for 4 shows in a row - it was incredible.  the
band she is touring with is phenomonal!!!

thanks for the wonderful converstation piece!!

cheers,
    carrie


--- icyspook <icyspook@yahoo.com> wrote:
> oh man, here's hoping i dont get a beatdown for this
> -
> but my thought on rodeo is that its my least
> favorite
> song on the album.  ever since she debuted it at ig
> shows it has at best bored me and at worst signalled
> i
> should take a bathroom break so i didnt have to hear
> it.
>
> --- toye gillman <toye77@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > does anyone have any thoughts/insight
> > on "rodeo?"
>
>
> my bootlist:  http://db.etree.org/icyspook
>
> i want to buy a fish license..
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also my least favorite on the cd.  but maybe because i don't quite know if i understand it completely...or it could be because of the fact that it is the only slow one on the cd...where does she come up with these analagies?  a rodeo calf seems like such an obscure thing for a song...

toye

icyspook <icyspook@yahoo.com> wrote:
oh man, here's hoping i dont get a beatdown for this -
but my thought on rodeo is that its my least favorite
song on the album.

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toye-
i loved your story outside the hospital with those anti-abortionists. i =

can't _stand_ those f*ing people and *ssholes like that are the reason i =

categorize myself as an atheist although "god" for me is simply nature, =
the=20
universe, music, art and love. those are the only things i worship.

the album just rocks! and seeing amy perform it live just adds =
everything to=20
really experiencing the music. i have to say rodeo is probably my least=20
favorite but i'm sure it will grow on me. a rodeo calf is just one of =
the=20
most vulnerable creatures that humans mistreat on a daily basis. i'm not =
a=20
peta activist, i eat meat, wear leather and such but these animals are=20
tortured solely for our entertainment and maybe that's why amy used it =
in=20
the song.
l.=20

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