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date:         wed, 22 jun 2005 21:18:31 -0500
reply-to:     lawyerman <eml@lawyerman.net>
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subject:      early shawn colvin on dimeadozen? (nigc)
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for anyone who uses dimeadozen.org, two sets of recordings purportedly
of shawn colvin circa mid-late 1970's when she was in carbondale,
illinois, were posted today:

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=47536

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=47597

there is some discussion whether these are authentic, early shawn colvin
recordings. to me, it mostly doesn't sound like her (at least the shawn
colvin we're used to hearing), but there are certain points during some
songs when it really does sound like her (so i think it may be her). she
would have been in her late teens during this period.

i didn't really know what other group of people to turn to in order to
figure out if these recordings are really early shawn colvin, although i
emailed someone i know who went to high school with her to give me an
opinion. if anyone here can offer an opinion, i'd appreciate it.

eddie
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date:         wed, 22 jun 2005 23:12:58 -0400
reply-to:     mike reynolds <mike@uppity-disability.net>
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at 10:18 pm 6/22/2005, you wrote:
>for anyone who uses dimeadozen.org, two sets of recordings purportedly
>of shawn colvin circa mid-late 1970's when she was in carbondale,
>illinois, were posted today:
>
>http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=47536
>
>http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=47597


wow...*i* thought the bruce hornsby senior recital was a find yrs ago. or
the alt. mixes of the b-band i have.

eddie - it is probably legit - if you look at her bio - it says right on
her official site she was doing joni covers at age 15 at the univ of
il...that's about right.

guess i gotta download it... oh the horror (it's funny, i was a s colvin
fan waaaaay before she was ever big, she did backing vocals on this guy -
bruce hornsby's third album - on one of my fave songs...lost soul. )

mike r.

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date:         wed, 22 jun 2005 22:22:26 -0500
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i just finished downloading the second set of recordings (the early
recordings 1979-80 set) and those are definitely her - no doubt about it.

the first set of recordings (the public radio shows 1975-76 set) are
really the recordings in question. they just don't sound like her,
except every now and then a sound segment of her vocal will convince you
it's her.

eddie
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mike reynolds wrote:
> at 10:18 pm 6/22/2005, you wrote:
>
>> for anyone who uses dimeadozen.org, two sets of recordings purportedly
>> of shawn colvin circa mid-late 1970's when she was in carbondale,
>> illinois, were posted today:
>>
>> http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=47536
>>
>> http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=47597

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date:         wed, 22 jun 2005 23:08:07 -0500
reply-to:     greg flamer <gflame@1000wadams.net>
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from:         greg flamer <gflame@1000wadams.net>
subject:      rarities--my take (long)
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is there anyone else frustrated with the fact that the songs are not
numbered on the back of the cd case?  i've nearly totaled my car twice
trying to count through that bulky font for what song # cold as ice is.

i dug up an old post from 2002 when it was announced that a rarities cd
would be made.  we were questioning what rarities meant:

> has anyone figured out just exactly what the girls are looking for when
> they say "rarities?"

this is a good question.  i found it to be vague as well.  i took it as
unreleased stuff or really random covers.  maybe that's me dreaming.  i
suggested mona lisas and mad hatters as well as my very favorite old
tracks
holy city and cold as ice.  check out a $10 tour boot and there's lots
of
oldies and random stuff.  so, to me, rare means hard to find in released
form.  other thoughts?

there you have it.  well i got mona lisas and cold as ice right but was
pretty wrong about rare meaning hard to find in released form.

anyway, i thought there'd be more commenting on the rarities cd itself.
  here's mine for what it's worth.

clampdown--not a clash fan...definitely not a clash fan after this
rendition.  and why is something previously released considered a
rarity?

i don't wanna talk about it--and why is something previously considered
a rarity?  not a bad cover, but i outplayed it when i bought the
philadelphia soundtrack like 15 years ago.

mona lisas--fantastic choice. what i envisioned the cd would be full
of.  i will say i've heard more powerful versions.  amy doesn't hold
the new york cityyyyyyyyyyy note as long as on better versions.  but i
ain't complainin'

let me go easy--i had never heard this on any boot or at a show that i
can recall so it was a pleasant surprise.  musically, it seems so
peppy--then amy brings you waaaay down with her explanation of it's
meaning.  nice tribute though.

winthrop--finally the release of breathless fish, all flopping and
scattered.  i seem to remember humorous discussion of this on the list
back when e was playing this live.  one of the few emily solos i really
like.  been waiting for its release since i heard it at newport in the
late 90's.

free of hope--and why is something previously released considered a
rarity?  this is that one song every cd has where you hear it once and
skip it every other time.  does absolutely nothing for me.

shed your skin--finally a gay remix for the go go boy clubs--well not
quite but i hope it starts a trend.  i wish they'd do more remixing
with funky beats.  i mean i have a great dance remix of nanci
griffith's late night grand hotel to prove that any song can be spiced
up.  i say bring on the junior vasquez mix of fare thee well.

never stop--of all the old songs, they chose this?  normally i'd ask
emily why she finds her old songs embarrassing but on this one, it's a
fair assessment.  there were plenty of other old embarrassing songs
that are better than this one.  the title of the song should be please
stop, but alas it does mark a place in time i suppose.

ghost demo--they say it's a key change.  only key here is off key.
them there's some wacky harmonies.  sounded more like an american idol
audition show.  i'm no musician but can you imagine our beloved ghost
being that.  ick!

uncle john's band- and why is something previously released considered
a rarity?   i love this song as much as the next person but i bought
deadicated just for this song already.

i'll give you my skin--and why is something previously released
considered a rarity?  i hate this song as much as the next person but i
bought tame yourself in high school just for this song already.  "we
threw out lines and made a song"  i can tell!

free in you--love a good remix (think i said that already).  sounds
like erasure did the backing music with all that euro synth pop.  i
doubt radio play would have occurred with or without the remix--nice
try epic.

point hope--awesome track!  love the story, love the mood, love amy.

ramblin round--i was so excited to hear ig jam with ani as i don't have
any boots with them together.  just wish i liked the song even
slightly. boo!

cold  as ice--i have always thought this song was as peppy and catchy
as closer to fine.  i love that amy calls it a young song but hate that
she can barely listen to it now.  i also love that it was recorded at
the metro in chicago, one of amy's "all time favorite venues to play
at."  the end jam out is awesome.  anyone know who is singing with
them?  it sounds like more than 2 voices.  michelle malone maybe?

walk your valley--definitely rare and probably should have been kept in
that box.  i had programmed my alarm clock to play cold as ice as the
wake up track.  when it lead into this, the beau rolls over and says
"what crap is this, it's painful but effective for waking me up".
there you have it!

it won't take long--and why is something previously released considered
a rarity?  love the song but i bought the spirit of 73 album just for
this.

finlandia--very cool.  i've grown to enjoy girlyman.  bought a few of
their songs on itunes.  very talented bunch.

wow--that was insanely long.  sorry.  i still don't understand why a
lilith version of close to fine wasn't included with ig jamming with
sarah mclachlan or jewel.  i remember in lilith in milwaukee where
natalie maines and deborah cox sang verses.  it was so cool.  next time
i suppose.  happy summer all!

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date:         thu, 23 jun 2005 01:41:05 -0400
reply-to:     linda napikoski <napikoski@gmail.com>
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subject:      re: rarities--my take (long)
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for the most part i've been feeling pretty much unmotivated to write about=
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rarities, but i just loved greg's post so much that i'm finally inspired. i=
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love your point about "just why is something already released considered a=
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rarity" and i love how you made it. big smiles. i, too, bought all those=20
albums during the 90s for those individual tracks, except the benefit album=
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with free of hope (no big loss i now think) and even subsequently sold the=
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peta album which was by and large god awful ... and i'm a big fan of peta,=
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btw, their so-called extreme tactics not off-putting to me whatsoever.=20
anyway, i also have come to love deadicated and usually listen to the whole=
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thing, sometimes even repeating other tracks (truckin', ripple, the suzanne=
=20
vegas, etc.) and i listen to the philadelphia soundtrack too, though usuall=
y=20
if i'm in the mood to hear the last half of it i'm not necessarily craving=
=20
bruce and the girls, and vice versa. as for spirit of '73, it's what made m=
e=20
detest sophie b hawkins for ever and ever and ever for her destruction of=
=20
the night they drove ol' dixie down, and i never ever ever listen to it=20
(though i haven't brought myself to the point of selling it) so it was=20
actually almost like a rarity to hear it won't take long again.=20
so i was a little sad when i saw the track list for rarities and thought,=
=20
oh. so it's that, is it. previously released tracks. i tried to take a step=
=20
back and remind myself that not everyone is me (or greg!) and plenty of fan=
s=20
have not bought all those cds. i've been listening to the album for a while=
,=20
as i got an advance copy from a record label rep through work <insert=20
cynical corporate evil comment here>. once i started listening to it, i got=
=20
over my initial dismay at all those tracks we already have since it is a=20
fairly long cd, etc. still, there could have been more. there really could=
=20
have. that said:=20

i love let me go easy. it alone makes the cd worth owning, to me. i heard=
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them play it live and i love it even more now that i listen to it a lot. bu=
t=20
i am a bit horrified, it's true, to read the story behind it. yikes is=20
right! and speaking of the stories behind things, hello? i wish there could=
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have been way more commentary in these here liner notes.=20
i also love point hope, which i haven't heard before.=20
ghost - wow. so this version is a little sketchy. it's a demo. doesn't=20
freak me out, it just sounds like a demo. i think it totally has a place on=
=20
this album, i just wish i hadn't read the rumor about it being a "version=
=20
with an extra verse" as i was kind of looking forward to hearing the=20
non-existent extra lyrics. on second thought, how appropriately mysterious=
=20
and ghost-like of those extra lyrics to not be there.=20
i don't really mind never stop. i like having an "embarrassing" old song=
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from each of them, and i think the choices are fine. i have pretty much no=
=20
feelings one way or the other yet about walk your valley nor winthrop.=20
though i remember hearing winthrop live back in ... '96? something like=20
that. and now i've heard it live again in multiple shows the other week.=20
perhaps it will be my new "power of two" - the song i don't dislike but=20
can't understand what all the fuss is about. maybe not though. i will=20
probably keep liking w better than po2. but i sometimes feel a little=20
incomplete when they're not playing any guitar. not always. i like leeds.=
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but sometimes. speaking of not playing guitars, finlandia is fine. i never=
=20
go crazy when i hear them do it live, but i do like being able to own it.=
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my main complaint about this disc is something i may be totally wrong=20
about: i immediately cried, "where's the third verse?!" of mona lisas & mad=
=20
hatters. the version i have on a boot that shall not be named (er...it was=
=20
illegally sold, you see) has another verse. you know, it combines the lines=
=20
of the first two? so whereas i was delighted to have ml&mh again, i was lik=
e=20
what the hell! i don't even want to listen to this "shorter" version. is=20
that version i have just an anomaly? it's from years and years ago, for=20
sure. anyway, i really am still just waiting to hear them sing that song=20
live, and then my life will be complete. :)=20
i may also be the only person who doesn't particularly mind the clash song=
=20
(although i never listen to that clash tribute cd i own either). and=20
ramblin' round! i like it! oooh, i really like it! it's no let me go easy o=
r=20
point hope, but it's a wistful little tune. i love all that hippie folk=20
stuff. and with ani? nice. bring it on.=20
as for the remixes i do already own a shed your skin remix single, but the=
=20
free in you i like; it's like a nice little treat. who knows what lies in=
=20
the hearts of teenage radio listeners? i don't think epic was *completely*=
=20
wrong. the real question is, what happened to the plan of trying to get the=
m=20
airplay? was it all just talk? have they even lifted a finger to get them=
=20
any airplay whatsoever since shame on you? i think not. did this version se=
e=20
any sort of light of day? and if not, why not? let the people decide, you=
=20
know!=20
so - yeah. i have no idea where this cd will end up in my frequency of=20
indigo listening scheme of things. i'm still listening to it quite a bit,=
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but it's still new. a friend of mine who is a passionate fan but not a boot=
=20
trader thinks this cd is "perfect." hmmm. i feel like it sort of tried to b=
e=20
both retrospective and 1200 curfews and therefore ended up being neither. i=
t=20
should have just tried to be rarities.=20
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subversive in a t.s. eliot sort of way
  on 6/23/05, greg flamer <gflame@1000wadams.net> wrote:
  and why is something previously released considered a
rarity?
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date:         sat, 25 jun 2005 12:31:21 -0700
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<html><body><p><font size=3d2 style=3d"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-se=
rif"><font face=3d"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">and  she actually tou=
red with tom paxton in......1988/89? i believe? i loved avalanche! speaking=
of shawn colvin....she was on oprah in....march (of this year ) was it? di=
d anyone see it? </font></font></p>
<p><font size=3d2 style=3d"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif">barb<br=
><br>--- mike reynolds <mike@uppity-disability.net> wrote:<br><br>fro=
m: mike reynolds <mike@uppity-disability.net><br>date: wed, 22 jun 20=
05 23:12:58 -0400<br>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org<br>subject: re: ea=
rly shawn colvin on dimeadozen? (nigc)<br><br>at 10:18 pm 6/22/2005, you wr=
ote: <br>>for anyone who uses dimeadozen.org, two sets of recordings pur=
portedly <br>>of shawn colvin circa mid-late 1970's when she was in carb=
ondale, <br>>illinois, were posted today: <br>> <br>>http://www.di=
meadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=3d47536 <br>> <br>>http://www.di=
meadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=3d47597 <br><br><br>wow...*i* thought =
the bruce hornsby senior recital was a find yrs ago. or <br>the alt. mixes =
of the b-band i have. <br><br>eddie - it is probably legit - if you look at=
her bio - it says right on <br>her official site she was doing joni covers=
at age 15 at the univ of <br>il...that's about right. <br><br>guess i gott=
a download it... oh the horror (it's funny, i was a s colvin <br>fan waaaaa=
y before she was ever big, she did backing vocals on this guy - <br>bruce h=
ornsby's third album - on one of my fave songs...lost soul. ) <br><br>mike =
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date:         sat, 25 jun 2005 14:53:34 -0700
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<html><body><p><font size=3d2 style=3d"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-se=
rif"><font face=3d"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">well, i have a differing v=
iew from greg.......i say that yes, there are some repeats on there, but al=
l in all i enjoyed ghost, never stop, uncle john's cabin, and yes i like cl=
ampdown, in fact i just may be interested in hearing the clash, and the gre=
atful dead because ig put them on here. what makes ghost,uncle john's cabin=
, and clamp down....rare....is the fact that ig recorded them...and that's&=
nbsp; all. (excepting ghost, because it's on rop....but  this version =
is rare...i haven't seen it offered up by anyone on ebay or any place else.=
..and that's what makes it a candidate for a "rarities," album.)</font></fo=
nt></p>
<p><font size=3d2 style=3d"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font f=
ace=3d"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">i like never stop.....considering emil=
y hadn't been writing songs for as long as she has now..it's really okay...=
dolly parton once said on the subject of songwriting that for every good so=
ng you write there are many, many bad songs too....those are necessarry if =
you're gonna get a good one. ya know? </font></font></p>
<p><font face=3darial size=3d2>i think emily or (epic who knows?) put =
a bad song or two on there to show where she was then and where she is&nbs=
p; now. </font></p>
<p><font face=3darial size=3d2>on ghost....it's interesting to see the path=
that songs sometimes go through to become  really good songs we all k=
now and love. songs don't just appear on the page all finished and ready to=
go.</font></p>
<p><font size=3d2 style=3d"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif">anyway.=
..it's gay pride weekend here, so when i recover from my week at the lake..=
.i'll be headed off to the celebrations in loring park. see ya.</font></p>
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><br>--- greg flamer <gflame@1000wadams.net> wrote:<br><br>from: greg=
flamer <gflame@1000wadams.net><br>date: wed, 22 jun 2005 23:08:07 -0=
500<br>to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org<br>subject: rarities--my take (l=
ong)<br><br>is there anyone else frustrated with the fact that the songs ar=
e not <br>numbered on the back of the cd case? i've nearly totaled my car t=
wice <br>trying to count through that bulky font for what song # cold as ic=
e is. <br><br>i dug up an old post from 2002 when it was announced that a r=
arities cd <br>would be made. we were questioning what rarities meant: <br>=
<br>> has anyone figured out just exactly what the girls are looking for=
when <br>> they say "rarities?" <br><br>this is a good question. i foun=
d it to be vague as well. i took it as <br>unreleased stuff or really rando=
m covers. maybe that's me dreaming. i <br>suggested mona lisas and mad hatt=
ers as well as my very favorite old <br>tracks <br>holy city and cold as ic=
e. check out a $10 tour boot and there's lots <br>of <br>oldies and random =
stuff. so, to me, rare means hard to find in released <br>form. other thoug=
hts? <br><br>there you have it. well i got mona lisas and cold as ice right=
but was <br>pretty wrong about rare meaning hard to find in released form.=
<br><br>anyway, i thought there'd be more commenting on the rarities cd it=
self. <br>here's mine for what it's worth. <br><br>clampdown--not a clash f=
an...definitely not a clash fan after this <br>rendition. and why is someth=
ing previously released considered a <br>rarity? <br><br>i don't wanna talk=
about it--and why is something previously considered <br>a rarity? not a b=
ad cover, but i outplayed it when i bought the <br>philadelphia soundtrack =
like 15 years ago. <br><br>mona lisas--fantastic choice. what i envisioned =
the cd would be full <br>of. i will say i've heard more powerful versions. =
amy doesn't hold <br>the new york cityyyyyyyyyyy note as long as on better =
versions. but i <br>ain't complainin' <br><br>let me go easy--i had never h=
eard this on any boot or at a show that i <br>can recall so it was a pleasa=
nt surprise. musically, it seems so <br>peppy--then amy brings you waaaay d=
own with her explanation of it's <br>meaning. nice tribute though. <br><br>=
winthrop--finally the release of breathless fish, all flopping and <br>scat=
tered. i seem to remember humorous discussion of this on the list <br>back =
when e was playing this live. one of the few emily solos i really <br>like.=
been waiting for its release since i heard it at newport in the <br>late 9=
0's. <br><br>free of hope--and why is something previously released conside=
red a <br>rarity? this is that one song every cd has where you hear it once=
and <br>skip it every other time. does absolutely nothing for me. <br><br>=
shed your skin--finally a gay remix for the go go boy clubs--well not <br>q=
uite but i hope it starts a trend. i wish they'd do more remixing <br>with =
funky beats. i mean i have a great dance remix of nanci <br>griffith's late=
night grand hotel to prove that any song can be spiced <br>up. i say bring=
on the junior vasquez mix of fare thee well. <br><br>never stop--of all th=
e old songs, they chose this? normally i'd ask <br>emily why she finds her =
old songs embarrassing but on this one, it's a <br>fair assessment. there w=
ere plenty of other old embarrassing songs <br>that are better than this on=
e. the title of the song should be please <br>stop, but alas it does mark a=
place in time i suppose. <br><br>ghost demo--they say it's a key change. o=
nly key here is off key. <br>them there's some wacky harmonies. sounded mor=
e like an american idol <br>audition show. i'm no musician but can you imag=
ine our beloved ghost <br>being that. ick! <br><br>uncle john's band- and w=
hy is something previously released considered <br>a rarity? i love this so=
ng as much as the next person but i bought <br>deadicated just for this son=
g already. <br><br>i'll give you my skin--and why is something previously r=
eleased <br>considered a rarity? i hate this song as much as the next perso=
n but i <br>bought tame yourself in high school just for this song already.=
"we <br>threw out lines and made a song" i can tell! <br><br>free in you--=
love a good remix (think i said that already). sounds <br>like erasure did =
the backing music with all that euro synth pop. i <br>doubt radio play woul=
d have occurred with or without the remix--nice <br>try epic. <br><br>point=
hope--awesome track! love the story, love the mood, love amy. <br><br>ramb=
lin round--i was so excited to hear ig jam with ani as i don't have <br>any=
boots with them together. just wish i liked the song even <br>slightly. bo=
o! <br><br>cold as ice--i have always thought this song was as peppy and ca=
tchy <br>as closer to fine. i love that amy calls it a young song but hate =
that <br>she can barely listen to it now. i also love that it was recorded =
at <br>the metro in chicago, one of amy's "all time favorite venues to play=
<br>at." the end jam out is awesome. anyone know who is singing with <br>t=
hem? it sounds like more than 2 voices. michelle malone maybe? <br><br>walk=
your valley--definitely rare and probably should have been kept in <br>tha=
t box. i had programmed my alarm clock to play cold as ice as the <br>wake =
up track. when it lead into this, the beau rolls over and says <br>"what cr=
ap is this, it's painful but effective for waking me up". <br>there you hav=
e it! <br><br>it won't take long--and why is something previously released =
considered <br>a rarity? love the song but i bought the spirit of 73 album =
just for <br>this. <br><br>finlandia--very cool. i've grown to enjoy girlym=
an. bought a few of <br>their songs on itunes. very talented bunch. <br><br=
>wow--that was insanely long. sorry. i still don't understand why a <br>lil=
ith version of close to fine wasn't included with ig jamming with <br>sarah=
mclachlan or jewel. i remember in lilith in milwaukee where <br>natalie ma=
ines and deborah cox sang verses. it was so cool. next time <br>i suppose. =
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hey kids,

here's an article from sovo in atlanta - you can see it online at
http://www.sovo.com/2005/6-24/locallife/pride/indigo.cfm.

cheers,
sherlyn

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indigo girls return home as festival headliner
lesbian folk-rock favorites =91proud=92 to call city home

by dyana bagby
jun. 24, 2005

they=92re baaaack. and there=92s nowhere =93closer to fine=94 to be on june
24.

atlanta=92s favorite lesbian folk-rock duo indigo girls, amy ray and
emily saliers, return to headline the gay party of the year on opening
night of the three-day celebration.

ray and saliers haven=92t played together on stage officially during the
annual festival in years (although saliers made a surprise solo
appearance in 2003), but each of them are regulars in the crowd each
year, they say.

=93although we haven=92t played in a while, we have gone to pride, so it
doesn=92t feel like we=92ve been absent for that long, but time does seem
to fly by these days,=94 ray writes in an e-mail interview while touring
to promote indigo girls=92 newest cd =93rarities,=94 released june 14.

the cd consists of 18 tracks including demos, rare versions and duets.
=93rarities=94 is also scheduled to be available in a limited edition
=93digi-pak=94 containing track commentary from ray and saliers.

=93i am just totally happy to be there whether playing or just hanging
out,=94 ray said about atlanta pride. =93my family will be there and all
my friends, and even though we are in trying times [politically], it
still feels like we have reason to celebrate. the movement has evolved
and grown and been willing to embrace its challenges, and for this i
am thankful and proud.=94

both members of the duo remain vocal advocates for same-sex marriage
and other gay issues. thirteen states, including georgia, last
november voted to ban marriage for same-sex couples, and president
george bush is still publicly backing a federal amendment to define
marriage as solely between a man and a woman.

true to their activist spirits, indigo girls provide a link to gay
marriage resources on their web site.

they make a living as singers and songwriters, but saliers and ray
remain heavily involved in national politics and maintain individual
identities as political activists for native people rights,
environmental protection and peace. they also keep a close eye on
what=92s happening in their home state.

last year, saliers attended a rally at the georgia capitol to protest
a proposed marriage amendment, which voters later passed with more
than 75 percent of the vote.

saliers said last year that she wished for =93every known gay person in
the public eye to take a stand=94 for same-sex marriage rights.

in a recent interview to promote her solo cd, =93prom,=94 released on her
decatur-based independent label daemon records, ray talked about the
difficulties of growing up gay in socially conservative georgia,
especially in rural areas.

she cited the courage of several students in the small town of
cleveland, ga., who formed a gay-straight alliance at their high
school.

=93that is such an amazing story =97 it=92s so evident of what=92s going on
everywhere,=94 ray said. =93i=92ve lived in a rural area, and it=92s so hard
in those areas. we=92re still beginning to talk about feminism and at
the bare minimum of gay issues. those kids are so brave.=94

saliers and ray formed their friendship at laurel ridge elementary
school in decatur when ray was in the fifth grade and saliers was in
the sixth grade.

in high school, the duo began performing together at local bars and
clubs as the =93b-band=94 and also as =93saliers and ray.=94 in 1981, the folk
duo recorded =93tuesday=92s children,=94 their first tape, recorded in ray=92s
basement.

in 1982, during ray=92s senior year at shamrock high school, she fell in
love for the first time with a woman, but she had no idea that
same-sex love was taboo.

=93we were inseparable,=94 she recalled. =93my mom and teachers asked what
was going on and i told them, =91i=92m in love with her!=92 being gay and in
the suburbs in decatur back then was a lot harder than today =85 i
didn=92t know what being =91gay=92 meant.=94

but when she finally came to terms with her sexual orientation, coming
out to her family was difficult, she admitted. but her sisters =97 also
lesbians =97 paved the way for her, and she now holds her parents,
family and friends up as a truly supportive circle.

=93they=92re so great now, it=92s hard to remember how hard it was,=94 she
said.

in 1985, saliers and ray picked the name indigo girls for their band
and started a music career in earnest. in 1987, they put out their
full-length debut, =93strange fire=94 and were signed with epic records
in1988. rem=92s michael stipe sang on their self-titled album in 1989,
which earned the girls the grammy for best contemporary folk
recording.

stipe also sings on this year=92s =93rarities,=94 indigo girls=92 last album
with the label.

=93rarities=94 marks the end of indigo girls relationship with epic, but
the duo intends to continue recording together, perhaps on an
independent label such as ray=92s own daemon records.

each girl also continue their own careers outside indigo girls. ray=92s
label and successful solo career thrives, and saliers recently wrote a
book with her father, don saliers, titled =93a song to sing, a life to
live: reflections on music as spiritual practice.=94

on sept. 10, saliers and ray perform at chastain park amphitheater as
part of their =93rarities=94 tour, but pride-goers may get a peek into the
new cd that contains such songs as the previously unreleased =93let me
go easy,=94 recorded last year to honor a friend who died of ovarian
cancer.

=93her life=92s work was an immense offering to the causes of
environmental justice and indigenous rights, which gave her death even
more significance =97 a death caused by a disease that has been linked
to environmental contaminates and spurred on by a lack of public
health care,=94 ray said.

the song =93winthrop=94 features saliers on piano and vocals, accompanied
only by a bass. the song was originally intended for 1997=92s =93shaming
of the sun,=94 and is only the second song saliers wrote and recorded on
piano.

also included, by popular demand from fans, is a previously unreleased
live recording of a song by gay part-time atlanta resident, elton
john, and his song =93mona lisas and mad hatters.=94

whatever they play at atlanta pride, indigo girls are sure to give a
rousing performance for the hometown crowd. they give 100 percent to
their fans and especially do so at home, ray said.

=93atlanta is an amazingly diverse city, and i am glad to call it home,=94
she said.


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am i the only one out here that really likes this
song?  it shows the joni mitchell influence - i
like joni too, maybe that's it.  anyhow - i think
it's a catchy tune - i like the little diddle-dee
diddle-dee guitar riff.  i love the line "you
will miss my conversation when you're talkin to
yourself" - come on, that's funny.  i think this
song could have easily been chosen for one of
their first two albums and would've fit right in.
it's probably my favorite from the "early
recordings" boots.

i do agree with greg that most of rarities wasn't
rare though.  i was hoping for way more that was
brand new to my ears.

is anyone else reminded of the "chipmunks" on
"free in you"?  it's kind of funky, because i
think it's obvious that they speeded up the track
and then shifted the pitch back down, but then
you're left with the weird vibrato sped up.

anyhow - sorry if i repeated anyone's thoughts -
i just got back from a long trip and didn't get
to read everyone's reviews.

later
t.

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i think emily or (epic who knows?) put  a bad
song or two on there to show where she was then
and where she is  now.

from: greg flamer <gflame@1000wadams.net>

never stop--of all the old songs, they chose
this?


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on jun 26, 2005, at 3:59 am, tara wrote:
>
> is anyone else reminded of the "chipmunks" on
> "free in you"?  it's kind of funky, because i
> think it's obvious that they speeded up the track
> and then shifted the pitch back down, but then
> you're left with the weird vibrato sped up.

i don't hear that at all.  i mean, they did speed up the track ever so
slightly (like, a couple of beats per minute), but with today's digital
tools, i don't think they had to shift the pitch back down.  i think
even garageband (the macintosh music mixing program) will do pretty
simple speed adjustments without affecting pitch.

speaking of garageband, nine inch nails has been releasing the original
recording tracks for each of their new singles in various formats for
users to do remixes.  the first single, the hand that feeds, generated
at least 500 remixes which have been posted online and are being slowly
whittled down to a top 40, top 20, and ultimately a top 10 and number
1.  the files for the second single, only, were posted earlier this
week.  trent reznor is talking about doing some kind of official halo
release of these fan remixes to continue promoting this kind of
artist/fan interaction.

don't you wish ig would do the same?  imagine having the actual
individual tracks to play with!

-graham

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<html><body><p><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>that's right....don't know what time amy will be on, but you can streamline the show live from <a href="http://shows.airamerica.com/revolutionstartsnow">http://shows.airamerica.com/revolutionstartsnow</a> .</font></p>
<p><font face=arial size=2>barb</font></p><br> <br><hr>netscape. just the net you need.<br></body></html>

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maybe the key is to do this on sundays...*heh*

hippo birdies to the following folky folks!

june 27
gflame@ameritech.net (greg flamer)
(i thought amy's birthday was in april...silly me! ;)

june 27
lauren (jeunechou@aol.com)
"i was a fuzzy brown bear cub"

june 28
karrie moore (guitarig@aol.com)
"baby its all in your hands you gotta learn to respect what you don't
understand"

june 29
grrrlies@aol.com (celeste)

june 29, 1985
grrrly4354@aol.com (celeste kennelly)
"lookin' up at the stars...'moo'."

june 30 ('69)
zkaa76a@prodigy.com (donna schwartz)

june 30 ('78)
tricia juettemeyer <tjuett@hotmail.com>

july 1
kiersten kress <kresskie@pilot.msu.edu>
"get me to montana and my guitar - i'm happy


dance like no one's watching, ya hear?  have a wonderful day!

love,
audra
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good morning.
i've got my pictures from hyannis and i wanted to post the link here for =
people to see, but there's something in the way back of my memory =
telling me something about not posting pictures here.  is this a figment =
of my imagination? or can i post the link for y'all?  it's a hazy hot =
humid monday morning here and my brain is feeling it already!

peace,
jen

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fyi, logo tv network debuts this week. this story mentions "philadelphia", ig contributed to the soundtrack...
-scott

tv network for gays, lesbians to debut
by david bauder, ap television writer

the man who's molding logo, the new network for gays and lesbians, grew up in rural illinois, attended oral roberts university and counted that cheesy keyboard solo on "freeze frame" as his big moment during gigs with his college band the ozones. at first glance, brian graden hardly seems too hip for the room.

but the 42-year-old graden is one of television's busiest and most imaginative executives, already responsible for the programming on mtv, vh1 and cmt ? and now logo, which debuts thursday.

long in the works, logo will initially be seen in about 10 million homes with digital cable. unlike here and q, two pay-per-view, gay-oriented networks already operating, logo will be available in homes that do not specifically order it.

films such as "kissing jessica stein" and "philadelphia" and documentaries will fill many of logo's first hours. the network also has a scripted series, "noah's arc," about a homosexual black man and his friends in los angeles, a reality series about opening a gay bar and the stand-up comedy series "wisecrack."

a gay man himself, graden had hoped to help out with logo even before he was appointed its president.

graden's job requires a comfort with wall street and hollywood, two sides of his personality presaged by his educational choices. he went to oral roberts with fellow band members in an ill-fated attempt to keep the ozones alive, then later earned an mba from harvard university.

seeking an internship one summer, he wore his best suit to an interview with colorful tv executive stephen chao. chao said he'd hire graden as long as he never wore a tie again, and spent the interview quizzing the young man on what he watched on tv, the music he listened to, the movies he saw.

"i came to understand that that's the essence of what you're hiring, the essence of what matters," he said.

graden now appoints teams at mtv networks that are immersed in the lifestyles of the audiences they are trying to reach.

the launchpad for his career came when he befriended writers trey parker and matt stone, helping them to develop "south park."

he moved to mtv in 1997, and was the executive behind a dizzying array of hits, including "the osbournes," "pimp my ride," "jackass," and "the newlyweds." graden has managed not only to stay on top of mtv's here-today, gone-tomorrow ethos but expand his authority to where he's put between 200 and 300 programs on the air.

"it's one of those things that's increasingly gratifying, to see an executive who truly approaches television from a creative point of view without ignoring the business of all of it," said television producer michael davies, whose credits include "who wants to be a millionaire."

a gently prodding phone call from graden when he heard davies was pitching an interesting show to another network recently resulted in vh1 getting the project ? a late-night talk show still under development ? when the other network backed off.

every holiday season graden sends to friends not only a card, but an exquisitely curated cd mix of songs. "he lives a creative life," davies said.

it would be unusual to get country music fans, rappers and fans of britney spears or old jackson browne videos to agree on much of anything, yet graden is the man overseeing the mix of networks that appeal to each one.

what's he doing running a country music channel, anyway?

"if you go home (to hillsboro, ill.) and visit my parents ? not that i'd wish that on anyone ? you would find cmt on 24 hours a day," he said. "my parents are finally proud of what i do because they watch cmt. before, i don't think they understood what i do every day."
logo may be his biggest challenge yet.

"i don't envy his position," said paul colichman, founder of here, which offers primarily edgy material oriented to gays and lesbians in about 45 million homes.

"he's got competing constituencies," he said. "he's got advertisers who are fearful of offending anyone because they're going after mass groups of people. at the same time, he's got to create a service that is compelling to the gay and lesbian audience who wants to watch it. it kind of depends on their appetite for gay lite."

the decision to remake a canadian series about planning a commitment ceremony, called "my fabulous gay wedding," illustrates the fine line being walked. the logo series is instead called "first comes love." the title wasn't changed to sidestep controversy, but rather to better reflect a show about relationships, a logo spokesman said.
graden said his job is to serve the target gay and lesbian audience and not worry about cultural critics who may look over his shoulder.

"that said, we've also said from early on that the standards for logo will be that of a general entertainment network," he said. "the assumption that i would have to push certain standards to tell my story instead of yours i don't get, because they're all human stories."

potential viewers have told logo that it's important to reflect their community's diversity, he said. so there will be documentaries telling what it's like, for instance, to be a 22-year-old latino homosexual or a lesbian couple that has been together for decades.

that's different from the other, sharply focused mtv networks; watch mtv and you know it's made for 21-year-olds. even corporate cousin bet is more interested in young black viewers than the black audience as a whole.

"we're talking to an audience that has already felt that it has been excluded from the media tapestry for many years," graden said. "it didn't feel right to create a channel where some people would feel further excluded."

having a gay or lesbian in charge of logo was essential, colichman said. quietly proud of the moment, graden said it has symbolic and practical advantages.

"it is important and powerful that you have both gay and lesbian voices directly in the conversation for the product you're trying to create because you're trying to serve an audience," he said. "we don't want any of our channels to look like a corporate man was handing down what he thinks an audience would like."
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ok...so here are my pictures from hyannis.  some of them are a little =
dark or blurry as i didn't want to blind a&e too much with my flash.  =
enjoy!

http://members3.clubphoto.com/jen989162/owner-2a14-1.phtml

jen

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subcityii@aol.com wrote:

>fyi, logo tv network debuts this week. this story mentions "philadelphia", ig contributed to the soundtrack...


--i'm glad this was brought up. if your cable company or satellite provider isn't debuting it this week, go to http://www.logoonline.com

there is a pop-up form you can fill out to let your provider/cable co. know that you want it (make sure your popup blocker is disabled for that site). this one isn't a pay-per-view channel like here! is, so let's get it on (no pun intended)! ;-)

lorna

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date:         tue, 28 jun 2005 04:01:13 -0400
reply-to:     lorna <culturediva82@netscape.net>
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barb bordner <ritesofpassage04@netscape.com> wrote:


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>well, i have a differing view from greg.......i say that yes, there are some repeats on there, but all in all i enjoyed ghost, never stop, uncle john's cabin, and yes i like clampdown, in fact i just may be interested in hearing the clash, and the greatful dead because ig put them on here. what makes ghost,uncle john's cabin, and clamp down....rare....is the fact that ig recorded them...and that'snbsp; all. (excepting ghost, because it's on rop....butnbsp; this version is rare...i haven't seen it offered up by anyone on ebay or any place else...and that's what makes it a candidate for a "rarities," album.)
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>i like never stop.....considering emily hadn't been writing songs for as long as she has now..it's really okay...dolly parton once said on the subject of songwriting that for every good song you write there are many, many bad songs too....those are necessarry if you're gonna get a good one. ya know?
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>i think emily or (epic who knows?) putnbsp; a bad song or two on there to show where she was then and where she isnbsp; now.
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>on ghost....it's interesting to see the path that songs sometimes go through to becomenbsp; really good songs we all know and love. songs don't just appear on the page all finished and ready to go.
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>anyway...it's gay pride weekend here, so when i recover from my week at the lake...i'll be headed off to the celebrations in loring park. see ya.
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--gay pride was in my nearest city 2 weeks' ago. ;-)

i think i'm more with barb on the rarities cd. i've found it to be enjoyable overall, now i know what some of the tunes such as "i'll never stop" and "finlandia" are like. i'm not much of a boot collector ('cause i can't keep up with anything in my life--and i'm prone to relocating when i least expect to--lol) and they didn't perform those tunes on the two times i saw them, so it's all been a treat for me. i did hear "uncle john's band" somewhere before, though. ;-)

as for the clash, my brother was a big punk fan in high school. he got a big kick out of hearing this version of "clampdown." ;-)

so far, it's been fun listening. but as to how this ranks as a favorite among my ig cds remains to be seen. ;-)

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barb bordner wrote:

> speaking of shawn colvin....she was on oprah in....march (of this year ) was it? did anyone see it?

--i might have. ;-) was surprised to learn that she was on there. oprah's shows are reruns for most of the summer. guess i'll have to look out for the repeat, as i don't watch her every day. :-d

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linda napikoski wrote:
>as for spirit of '73, it's what made me
>detest sophie b hawkins for ever and ever and ever for her destruction of
>the night they drove ol' dixie down,

--i tried so badly to appreciate sophie b. i bought her first cd because i was madly in love with that song "damn...i wish i was your lover" when it was a big hit. but the about last half of that cd became god-awful to me, period. :(

i caught her on that silly show "hit me baby one more time" a few weeks' ago, 'cause i read in afterellen that she'd be on it. ;-) was glad to see and hear her sing "damn..." again, but i was promptly reminded of how god-awful too many of her songs were. i liked that other hit she had in the mid-90s ("as i lay down??" can't remember the title too well), but that's it.

not trying to be mean--just agreeing here. ;-)

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hey kids,

here's the latest official mailer...

-sherlyn

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date: tue, 28 jun 2005 00:09:27 -0400
subject: indigo girls july 4th weekend broadcast!
>
> indigo girls recent visit with meg griffin will air july 4th
> weekend - hear songs they recorded acoustic live at sirius, their
> chat about everything from their activism to digging bands like the
> clash, and some tracks from their brand new cd "rarities"!
>
> sirius disorder 24:
> thursday, june 30, 6pm et
> saturday, july 2 - 11am et & 10pm et
> monday, july 4th - 1pm & 6pm et
>
> folktown 38:
> saturday, july 2, 4pm et
> sunday, july 3, 11am & 4pm et
> monday, july 4th, 8pm & midnight et
>
> keep up with all the latest indigo girls news at:
>
> http://www.indigogirls.com/news.html
>
> ---
> http://www.indigogirls.com

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date:         tue, 28 jun 2005 08:23:18 -0400
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have you ever seen her live? .. the first time i ever heard her, i was at an
indigo girl show in foxboro ma at an earth day show, and she played .. she
blew me away .. i went out and bought her album, and honestly i was a bit
dissapointed that it was so commercial and a bit over-produced .. but i love
her anyway .. i finally got a chance to see her last year in pa and she's
still amazing ..

-chuck

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subject: re: sophie b. hawkins


linda napikoski wrote:
>as for spirit of '73, it's what made me
>detest sophie b hawkins for ever and ever and ever for her destruction of
>the night they drove ol' dixie down,

--i tried so badly to appreciate sophie b. i bought her first cd because i
was madly in love with that song "damn...i wish i was your lover" when it
was a big hit. but the about last half of that cd became god-awful to me,
period. :(

i caught her on that silly show "hit me baby one more time" a few weeks'
ago, 'cause i read in afterellen that she'd be on it. ;-) was glad to see
and hear her sing "damn..." again, but i was promptly reminded of how
god-awful too many of her songs were. i liked that other hit she had in the
mid-90s ("as i lay down??" can't remember the title too well), but that's
it.

not trying to be mean--just agreeing here. ;-)

--
later~lorna


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