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date: mon, 8 may 2006 01:41:25 edt
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i think you're confusing matt chamberlain with matt sorum. matt sorum was in
gnr (and was also in tori amos' band y kant tori read). matt chamberlain has
been playing drums with tori since 98 on the chorigirl hotel. i don't
remember matt chamberlain ever playing with patty griffin...
lisa
>hmmnnn... matt chamberlain. is that jimmy chamberlain's brother?
>(jimmy was the drummer from smashing pumpkins. he was good.) did
>matt play with patty griffin? i may have taken a walk with him at a
>radio convention, once.
matt was in guns and roses. i cant imagine them being related...at all
jimmy is good, matt is technically an incredible player too, he did
the drums for the tori album with "spark" on it...cant remember the title.
mike r.
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date: mon, 8 may 2006 12:05:32 +0100
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hi,
i don't remember seeing this mentioned before, but i've come across
some ig dvd action on vonda shepard's latest (?) cd. her "live-a
retrospective" album contains a bonus dvd which includes interviews
with her music and tv friends and a live performances, including "baby,
don't you break my heart slow" with emily. until i'd seen this
performance, i had never noticed how expressive emily is with her hands
when singing. i know she is usually playing the guitar or some
instrument, but is this gesticulation due to her really feeling the
song, or just because she doesn't know what to do with her hands!?
interesting.
amy is interviewed and tries describing vonda's music. emily chats
about how she loves that "baby, don't you break my heart slow" song and
how vonda asked her to sing a duet on that one, etc. pretty cool
bonus.
no other real news from the uk, so i'll go back to lurkdom now.
bye,
claudine
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date: mon, 8 may 2006 09:13:39 -0700
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no, you're not. i really, really miss jerry marotta. i miss sarah lee as
well.
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sent: sunday, may 07, 2006 11:40 am
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subject: re: new notes from amy (29 apr)
am i the only one that really really misses jerry marotta???
indigotraveller@aol.com wrote:
>
> ah, it's coming back to me now. how embarrassing. oh, well. happens
some
> times. thanks for cluing me in. some days i think i'd win on vh-1's r&r
> jeopardy. other days...
>
> lauren
>
>
> at 02:24 am 5/4/2006, indigotraveller@aol.com wrote:
>
>>hmmnnn... matt chamberlain. is that jimmy chamberlain's brother?
>>(jimmy was the drummer from smashing pumpkins. he was good.) did
>>matt play with patty griffin? i may have taken a walk with him at a
>>radio convention, once.
>
>
>
> matt was in guns and roses. i cant imagine them being related...at all
>
> jimmy is good, matt is technically an incredible player too, he did
> the drums for the tori album with "spark" on it...cant remember the
title.
>
> mike r.
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date: mon, 8 may 2006 13:25:42 -0700
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through a series of strange circumstances i found
myself in a karaoke contest and made it to the
final round. if you could take a minute to go
vote for me , your fellow listee and longtime ig
fan, i'd appreciate it very much.
http://www.wtvr.com/global/story.asp?s=4429282
scroll down if you want to see my video.... i
sang back in black by ac dc....
thanks.
tara
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date: mon, 8 may 2006 14:57:20 -0700
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yeah, i miss their old band too...and hearing bury my heart at wounded knee too.
barb
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date: mon, 8 may 2006 09:13:39 -0700
no, you're not. i really, really miss jerry marotta. i miss sarah lee as
well.
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sent: sunday, may 07, 2006 11:40 am
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subject: re: new notes from amy (29 apr)
am i the only one that really really misses jerry marotta???
indigotraveller@aol.com wrote:
>
> ah, it's coming back to me now. how embarrassing. oh, well. happens
some
> times. thanks for cluing me in. some days i think i'd win on vh-1's r&r
> jeopardy. other days...
>
> lauren
>
>
> at 02:24 am 5/4/2006, indigotraveller@aol.com wrote:
>
>>hmmnnn... matt chamberlain. is that jimmy chamberlain's brother?
>>(jimmy was the drummer from smashing pumpkins. he was good.) did
>>matt play with patty griffin? i may have taken a walk with him at a
>>radio convention, once.
>
>
>
> matt was in guns and roses. i cant imagine them being related...at all
>
> jimmy is good, matt is technically an incredible player too, he did
> the drums for the tori album with "spark" on it...cant remember the
title.
>
> mike r.
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i think we all miss em ......i know i do
--- barb bordner <ritesofpassage04@netscape.com> wrote:
> yeah, i miss their old band too...and hearing bury my heart at wounded knee too.
>
> barb
>
>
> --- mbruno@cslanet.calstatela.edu wrote:
>
> from: "bruno, marie" <mbruno@cslanet.calstatela.edu>
> to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
> subject: re: new notes from amy (29 apr)
> date: mon, 8 may 2006 09:13:39 -0700
>
> no, you're not. i really, really miss jerry marotta. i miss sarah lee as
> well.
>
> -----original message-----
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> behalf of don richards
> sent: sunday, may 07, 2006 11:40 am
> to: indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org
> subject: re: new notes from amy (29 apr)
>
> am i the only one that really really misses jerry marotta???
>
> indigotraveller@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > ah, it's coming back to me now. how embarrassing. oh, well. happens
> some
> > times. thanks for cluing me in. some days i think i'd win on vh-1's r&r
>
> > jeopardy. other days...
> >
> > lauren
> >
> >
> > at 02:24 am 5/4/2006, indigotraveller@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>hmmnnn... matt chamberlain. is that jimmy chamberlain's brother?
> >>(jimmy was the drummer from smashing pumpkins. he was good.) did
> >>matt play with patty griffin? i may have taken a walk with him at a
> >>radio convention, once.
> >
> >
> >
> > matt was in guns and roses. i cant imagine them being related...at all
> >
> > jimmy is good, matt is technically an incredible player too, he did
> > the drums for the tori album with "spark" on it...cant remember the
> title.
> >
> > mike r.
>
>
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ah. the plot thickens.
lauren
i think you're confusing matt chamberlain with matt sorum. matt sorum was
in
gnr (and was also in tori amos' band y kant tori read). matt chamberlain has
been playing drums with tori since 98 on the chorigirl hotel. i don't
remember matt chamberlain ever playing with patty griffin...
lisa
>hmmnnn... matt chamberlain. is that jimmy chamberlain's brother?
>(jimmy was the drummer from smashing pumpkins. he was good.) did
>matt play with patty griffin? i may have taken a walk with him at a
>radio convention, once.
matt was in guns and roses. i cant imagine them being related...at all
jimmy is good, matt is technically an incredible player too, he did
the drums for the tori album with "spark" on it...cant remember the title.
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date: mon, 8 may 2006 19:02:22 edt
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while i do miss jerry, and he was my favorite of the batch, i did like blair
and brady, as well. and again, while i liked sara, i've been quite
impressed with claire. mostly, i'm just really ready for them to tour with a band
again. when they used to bounce back and forth between band and duo, i didn't
really have a preference. i loved them both and found each an enjoyable
change of pace. but after four of five years of duo, duo, duo, i am sooo ready
for a band tour. even though it was the same songs both nights, and other
than midnight train, not some of my faves, i was stoked to see them with the
band over the winter.
laure
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no, you're not. i really, really miss jerry marotta. i miss sarah lee as
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=0d=0ahi folks,=0d=0a=0d=0ai'm not going to post it, but if you're interest=
ed there's a short report about emily and her father's appearance at last w=
eekend's methodist conference here: http://www.wfn.org/2006/05/msg00089.htm=
l ...=0d=0a=0d=0acheers,=0d=0asherlyn=0d=0a--=0d=0asherlyn koo | sherlyn@pi=
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date: tue, 9 may 2006 00:11:48 -0400
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subject: birthdays (may 8th - may 14th, 2006)
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howdy all! popping in at the end of my day (it's still the 8th here in central time!) to send shouts out to those listees celebrating birthdays this week...
may 10th, (79)
alisa greenberg
agreenb1@swarthmore.edu
* swamp ophelia, may 10 1994
may 11 ('80)
wind80@aol.com (ilana deutsch)
"i am intense, i am in need, i am in pain, i am in love"
* rites of passage, may 12 1992
may 11 ('74)
begonias15@yahoo.com (mike cunningham)
"i said so little darlin' you get to feel it too"-ar
may 13
megan (mbeene@wesleyancollege.edu)
"guess i wasn't the best one to ask..."
may 14 ('74)
sguarnieri@vmsvax.simmons.edu (shanya)
"it's only life after all"
may 14 (=9274)
jason lee (indigo@dallas.net)
"way down south where the mayan reign, zapata reading poetry in his grave
they said were stealing from the best to feed the poor, well they need
more!!!" amy ray
may 14 (=9276)
dposh1@gmail.com (abie)
woo hoo! have a blast y'all :)
love and devotion,
audra
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date: tue, 9 may 2006 18:18:27 -0400
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i really miss jerry, just because, if you look at the breadth of
studio work he has done - it is just literally astounding. i mean
from peter gabriel to 10000 maniacs to ig to dar (i think)
he is all over my cd/ mp3 / digital collection...
and i was wrong about matt chamberlain..hey, who knew tori had two
drummers named matt...
i was confused, which is nothing new....
mike r.
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one of my faves, too. i requested it when they did their college tour with
winona, but they said they couldn't do it without the band.
lauren
yeah, i miss their old band too...and hearing bury my heart at wounded knee
too.
barb
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date: wed, 10 may 2006 11:49:50 -0700
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hello, everyone.
i've been sort of "out of touch" lately...busy, busy. so, i wasn't aware the the girls were involved in this. there is a 10 yo girl in fla that is being denied the right to sing this song in her school's talent show. a local radio station played the song today to let everyone hear the lyrics and then took a poll to see whether people thought it inappropriate. i had never heard it before today. most people said it was not inappropriate or vulgar.
i read that the principal sited drug, alcohol, and gay rights content, and the fact that the word "hell" was in the song as the reasons for why she wasn't allowed to perform it. the little girl's (molly i think?) mother said she thinks it is because it is critical of the bush administration.
they have since granted the girl the priviledge of singing a song about 2 girls fighting over a guy (girl fight?). is this more appropriate for her age level than a politically controversial song? i think not!
i decided to investigate the lyrics further, so i looked them up on the web. why was i not surprised to see "(feat. indigo girls)" below the byline? ha! the girls can get into a political controversy without even trying!! i just thought it interesting that i didn't even know ig had a part in this song...and because of the controversy, looked it up and viola! there's ig!!
btw, the way the word "hell" is used in the song is not vulgar or cursing. the song is actually quite beautiful. i like the melody and i like to hear pink doing a ballad. and of course, i like the lyrics!
anyone know if ig has made any comments on this girl not being allowed to sing it?
toye gillman
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date: wed, 10 may 2006 12:02:37 -0700
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here's the link, and i'm sending it to the list in case anyone else is interested...
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/pink/dearmrpresident.html
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is there somewhere to view/hear the lyrics/song?
sparkie
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hey i was there too! wasn't that great? i wish they'd do that again, isn't it about time for another hte tour? it's been how long? i know they probably can't right now, but i can dream can't i? i have to agree with amy on bmhawk though....it rocks so well with a band i can't imagine hearing it without one.
barb
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subject: bury my heart
date: tue, 9 may 2006 22:46:56 edt
one of my faves, too. i requested it when they did their college tour with
winona, but they said they couldn't do it without the band.
lauren
yeah, i miss their old band too...and hearing bury my heart at wounded knee
too.
barb
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date: wed, 10 may 2006 12:26:23 -0700
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i don't condone censorship, however i can see why school officials are being so spineless....they're afraid of ruffling a few feathers! afterall, isn't florida a republican state? oh, and not to mention the school's obvious homophobia.
remember back in the spring of 1998? how the girls were not allowed to sing for some of the schools in ga. the free shows were cancelled when
amy forgot to take out the f-word in soy, and school officials used that as a red-herring to try cancel ig shows at their schools.students got in trouble for protesting that decision.i remember reading about that.
it would be interesting to see what ig would say to that poor student in florida...it would also be interesting to see what pink has to say too. i mean it's her song.
peace all,
barb
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subject: re: dear mr. president (sigc)
date: wed, 10 may 2006 12:02:37 -0700
here's the link, and i'm sending it to the list in case anyone else is interested...
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/pink/dearmrpresident.html
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is there somewhere to view/hear the lyrics/song?
sparkie
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date: thu, 11 may 2006 08:03:22 +1000
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hey kids,
here's the latest mailer...
-sherlyn
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date: wed, 10 may 2006 14:12:36 -0400
subject: indigo girls: new notes from amy!
> "continuing on our journey through the new ig record. this past
> week we worked on a few songs. the two featured here are amy's
> "little perennials" and emily's "pendulum swinger"."
>
> read more, including a new video clip and lyrics for two new songs!
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> http://www.indigogirls.com/correspondence/2006/2006-05-06-a.html
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> thanks!
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date: thu, 11 may 2006 14:53:10 -0400
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hi everyone -
i found this great song - hope you like it
shortcut to:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x839364
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x839364>
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date: sat, 13 may 2006 01:14:51 edt
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you can buy the pink/ig song on itunes for $0.99. it's pretty good! while
you're there, check out neil young's new cd, living with war. one of the songs
is "let's impeach the president." i had to buy the cd :)
lisa
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date: sat, 13 may 2006 15:49:56 -0400
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at 01:14 am 5/13/2006, lisa071573@aol.com wrote:
>you can buy the pink/ig song on itunes for $0.99. it's pretty good! while
>you're there, check out neil young's new cd, living with war. one of
>the songs
>is "let's impeach the president." i had to buy the cd :)
>lisa
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thewre is an amazing live version of this on youtube.com - i saw it
on myspace. it is tagged live with ig, but it has different backup
singers. search youtube for pink indigo girls and you should find it...
uhhh. just really makes me sound like a 16 yr old...so like,, omg, it
rooocks!!!!
and the new neil young is utter brillance. think freedom but 2006.
frustrated that not only did i not get radiohead tixs, but willy
mason, who is soooo underrated and is freaking amazing, is opening
for radiohead. arrrgh.
mike r,
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