lifeblood: listlogs: 2006-06a


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sounds to me like it's time for a road trip!

lauren

>  hkf's
>
> can anyone explain to me why the girls have not
>  toured
> in texas or anywhere nearby for 2 years now?
>
>  i'm way beyond needing an ig fix and i'm starting to
> get  pissed!
>
> i guess amy is too busy working at the waffle
>  house...
>
> tony da chickenman
> houston,  texas


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date:         wed, 7 jun 2006 08:04:40 +1000
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hi folks,

here's an article about emily & religion from the american spectator.  you=
can
read it online at:
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=3d9913

cheers,
sherlyn

---begin forwarded article---
the indigo girl and god
by mark tooley
published 6/6/2006 12:07:31 am

lesbian folk singer emily saliers, one half of the "indigo girls" duo,=
joined
with her methodist theologian father, don saliers, to write a book published=

last year called a song to sing: a life to live: reflections on music as
spiritual practice. the book strives to meld her "secular" lounge music with=
the
ethos of her father's sacred hymnody.

"is there just a plain and simple message of love and caring for each other=
and
the world?" saliers asked, in a recent interview with jim wallis' sojourners=

magazine about her book. "there are some so-called secular texts that speak=
to
that with more passion and power than some of the most well-known sacred=
texts."

saliers and her dad created a minor dust-up when they were featured speakers=
and
performers at a united methodist women's convention in anaheim, california=
last
month. (you can watch their performance here.) seven thousand church ladies=

listened to emily perform anti-war folk songs and then join her father to=
sing
some psalms. don saliers teaches music at the methodist seminary at emory
university in atlanta. emily is ambivalent towards religion but credits her=

childhood in the church for inspiring the music she now makes with fellow
lesbian indigo girl (but not romantic partner) amy ray.

traditionalist church ladies (renewnetwork.org), citing methodism's official=

disapproval of homosexual practice, protested emily saliers' featured role=
at
the assembly, which was attended by 7,000 methodist women. but a news=
release
from the united methodist women's organization, while admitting that=
saliers'
"self-avowed sexual orientation" had "generated controversy," nonetheless
affirmed that the father-daughter team was invited because of their=
"spiritual
and theological understandings and their commitment to justice for women and=

children."

the leadership of the 700,000 member united methodist women's organization=
still
holds fast to old-fashioned social gospel liberalism. although it has lost
several hundred thousand members over recent decades, tens of millions in
endowed funds help the new york-based group ignore conservative trends in
american religion. the indigo girls' brand of social activism is seen as a=
good
fit for the methodist women, or at least their elites, among whom hillary
clinton is a prominent and much extolled member.

"i want to hang with the methodists!" saliers told the crowd in the anaheim=

convention center. her theologian father responded to his daughter, "i love=
my
bach. but your stuff has taught me so much." she shared an anti-war song=
about
"blood drying in the desert" that she recalled having provocatively=
performed
before a new york audience immediately after 9-11. he then joined her in=
singing
psalm 139.

it was an unusual duo, with the straight-laced daddy saliers looking=
somewhat
like john ashcroft, and the red-haired, slightly grungy daughter living up=
to
her counter-culture reputation. the saliers' book is unusual too, as they
attempt to combine their contrasting stories. she explained to southern=
voice
last year that "there is a spiritual path to both secular and sacred music=
and
how the deep human yearnings in them are one and the same sometimes."=
describing
herself as a "religious mutt," she attempts to find commonality with her
methodist father.

don saliers teaches theology and worship at emory's candler school of=
theology
for methodist clergy. in contrast, she espouses social and gay liberation
through her songs. "i can never separate my thoughts and feelings from my
identity and the rest of my queer community," she told southern voice. "when=
you
hear a song that expresses what you've struggled with for so long, it can be=
so
liberating."

emily saliers' indigo girls website has an "activism!" section, which urges=

various causes from "making shelters for transgendered people" to "say no to=
war
with iraq!!!" to "the moratorium campaign" against capital punishment and=
"honor
the earth" vigils. among her travel memories, she recounts a 1996 visit to=
cuba
and a warm meeting there with fidel castro.

"i was visibly shaking and my eyes teared up as i introduced myself,"=
saliers
recalls. "i know that this man has participated in his share of violence in=
the
name of the revolution, but his ideals (a 'man of the people') seemed to
overshadow the reality of war." similarly, she admires che guevera for=
"fighting
the brutalities of imperialism" but who was ultimately lost in "machismo and=

violence." the zapatistas of mexico seem to be the "purest movement" she has=

witnessed, having visited chiapas some years ago.

although nervous, she was impressed by castro. "i told fidel that i=
appreciated
what he stands for and that i would go home with a bigger heart, then i=
kissed
his hand...hmmm...i don't know what got into me, and i don't even remember=
his
response," she remembers. "he had a peaceful demeanor and struck me as an=
old
spirit who had been through a lot and sometimes may have lost his way. he=
was
very otherworldly yet human."

no less cordial than castro, the united methodist women's assembly received=
the
saliers' with generous applause. "tell them that you belong to an=
organization
that refuses to offer religious excuses or legitimization for violence,
vengeance, deprivation and discrimination," united methodist women's=
president
jan love told the crowd, which also heard from kenyan nobel laureate wahu=
kaara
of the kenya debt relief network and leftist bolivian minister of justice
casimira rodriguez romero, herself a methodist. there was also a fashion=
show
called "fashion resistance to militarism," which spotlighted the supposed
"subtle examples of militarism in popular culture."

some juicy stuff, no doubt, but emily saliers remained the star of the=
event,
despite her ambivalence about religion in general and her father's church in=

particular. "without your witness...we'd be immeasurably impoverished,"=
daddy
saliers chirpily told the well-dressed and well-coiffed methodist women.=
emily
saliers thanked the church ladies for "being welcoming." father and daughter=

sang "let us break bread together on our knees" from the united methodist=
hymnal
before departing.


mark tooley directs the united methodist committee at the institute on=
religion
and democracy in washington, d.c.

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date:         tue, 6 jun 2006 15:43:24 -0700
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"the book strives to meld her "secular" lounge music with the
ethos of her father's sacred hymnody."

lounge music?  yikes.

"the leadership of the 700,000 member united methodist women's organization still holds fast to old-fashioned social gospel liberalism...the indigo girls' brand of social activism is seen as a good fit for the methodist women, or at least their elites, among whom hillary clinton is a prominent and much extolled member."

did the author just call hillary clinton liberal?  just because she's a woman and a democrat does not make her a liberal.  clinton is a centrist.  in fact, she agrees with bush on many issues, including the war in iraq and our energy policy.  and apparently religion, since bush is also a member of the umc.

as if i needed to be reminded of why i don't read conservative magazines...


--jeremy

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date:         tue, 6 jun 2006 16:25:52 -0700
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> and apparently religion, since bush is also a member of the umc.

bush and clinton may be members of the united methodist church, but
they aren't representative of the church as a whole.  heck, i'm a
left-of-center lesbian and a member of the umc!

from http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/04/con05134.html:

"bush's united methodist beliefs should also be called into question.
two issues are glaring. first, bush's preemptive doctrine of war is in
clear violation of the united methodist church's position on war and
peace. united methodists have long held anti-war positions, while at
the same time allowing for just war language (namely criteria of last
resort, appropriate international organizations, and to oppose
aggression and/or genocide). clearly, this current preemptive war
violates the united methodist church's positions on war."

"second, this administration's record with regards to the environment
are suspect at best, grossly negligent at worse. in a column from last
year, united methodist bishop william boyd grove wrote these words:
"the social principles of the president's church declares, all
creation is the lord's and we are responsible for the ways in which we
use and abuse it. water, air, minerals, energy resources, plants,
animal life are to be valued and conserved because they are god's
creation, and not solely because they are useful to human beings."
further he stated, "in violation of this teaching, the policies of the
administration have rolled back legislation protecting the environment
that has been in force for many years under presidents of both
parties, and our government has refused to sign international treaties
on global warming and other threats to the environment." "

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date:         wed, 7 jun 2006 02:48:39 -0400
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i was shocked this was mentioned in a conservative magazine at all! must not be selling many copies. heh-heh! ;-d

--lorna

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"the book strives to meld her "secular" lounge music with the
ethos of her father's sacred hymnody."

lounge music?  yikes.

"the leadership of the 700,000 member united methodist women's organization
still holds fast to old-fashioned social gospel liberalism...the indigo girls'
brand of social activism is seen as a good fit for the methodist women, or at
least their elites, among whom hillary clinton is a prominent and much extolled
member."

did the author just call hillary clinton liberal?  just because she's a woman
and a democrat does not make her a liberal.  clinton is a centrist.  in fact,
she agrees with bush on many issues, including the war in iraq and our energy
policy.  and apparently religion, since bush is also a member of the umc.

as if i needed to be reminded of why i don't read conservative magazines...

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she is not an advocate for gay marriage either.

toye gillman

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from: jeremy james <sobaroque@yahoo.com>
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sent: tuesday, june 6, 2006 5:43:24 pm
subject: re: american spectator article


"the book strives to meld her "secular" lounge music with the
ethos of her father's sacred hymnody."

lounge music?  yikes.

"the leadership of the 700,000 member united methodist women's organization still holds fast to old-fashioned social gospel liberalism...the indigo girls' brand of social activism is seen as a good fit for the methodist women, or at least their elites, among whom hillary clinton is a prominent and much extolled member."

did the author just call hillary clinton liberal?  just because she's a woman and a democrat does not make her a liberal.  clinton is a centrist.  in fact, she agrees with bush on many issues, including the war in iraq and our energy policy.  and apparently religion, since bush is also a member of the umc.

as if i needed to be reminded of why i don't read conservative magazines...


--jeremy

www.jeremyjamesmusic.com

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