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date:         fri, 22 sep 2006 00:15:09 -0700
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i am 99% sure that i have one extra ticket for the 9 oct baltimore show.
it's row c (that's 2nd row at the meyerhoff), seat 8. that's emily's side...

face value + fees comes out to $49.25 (music today has ridiculous fees for
shipping).

i will most likely have to meet up with you right before the show to get the
ticket to you. they supposidly shipped today from music today, but unless it
comes really soon, i'd rather not risk it. we can work shipping out later if
you want. i could overnight it to you or send it priority mail if that makes
it easier.

please respond privately if you're interested.

xoxo

spike

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sea,
and i'm laughing, i'm under a starry sky
this world was meant for me, don't bury me carry me..."
~~ amy ray (indigo girls)

"there's the oil slick of uncertainty and warning signs back there we didn't
use
at least we laugh about it now how we escaped alive
as remarkable the mess we made and what we can survive..."
~~ emily saliers (indigo girls)

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date:         fri, 22 sep 2006 07:33:16 -0400
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subject:      re: trade me for dod?
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here are the specs for the second disc:
*http://tinyurl.com/h5xlc* <http://tinyurl.com/h5xlc>

on 9/21/06, jen cattin <jencattin@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> the collectors edition has 2 cd's.  the regular cd, and a 2nd that has
> "alternate acoustic studio mixes & live recordings from the 2006 sold out
> summer tour".
>
> on the back of the cover it says "place first cd in your computer's cd-rom
> drive to access special features".  no special features are coming up on
> my
> computer.  has anyone else found the special features?
>
> jen
> ----- original message -----
> from: "jeremy james" <sobaroque@yahoo.com>
> to: <indigo-girls@lists.netspace.org>
> sent: thursday, september 21, 2006 6:16 pm
> subject: re: trade me for dod?
>
>
> > somehow i missed that a collector's edition even exists.  what is
> > different about it?
> >
>

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date:         fri, 22 sep 2006 10:36:04 -0400
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--- on thu 09/21, barb bordner < ritesofpassage04@netscape.com > wrote:

>> emily's got drums on songs that don't need them, ps is not among those. psis very lacking on it's bare bones accoustic version. so the drums are good there. >>

speaking of drum tracks... is it me or does it sound like, say the past few releases have had the same type of beats, and very common arrangements? ( em's mostly )i sort of picked up on that a little while i was listening to dod, and maybe that's why i tend to get by & atwli confused a lot. not to say that they're all the same but it just seems to be more common and predictable for a band that was so diverse in their past releases.

i mean, i like dod but it just seems like i'm listening to the extention of by.

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date:         fri, 22 sep 2006 11:20:17 -0400
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i have to say that the drums and that synthesizer feel is what i've =20
really disliked about emily's music on the past 3 cds. it's just not =20=

a sound i, personally, can get in to. but i agree that a lot of her =20
songs from the past few cds do all sound the same.

laura

on sep 22, 2006, at 10:36 am, shazzi wrote:

> --- on thu 09/21, barb bordner < ritesofpassage04@netscape.com > =20
> wrote:
>
>>> emily's got drums on songs that don't need them, ps is not among =20
>>> those. psis very lacking on it's bare bones accoustic version. so =20=

>>> the drums are good there. >>
>
>
> speaking of drum tracks... is it me or does it sound like, say the =20
> past few releases have had the same type of beats, and very common =20
> arrangements? ( em's mostly )i sort of picked up on that a little =20
> while i was listening to dod, and maybe that=92s why i tend to get by =20=

> & atwli confused a lot. not to say that they=92re all the same but it =20=

> just seems to be more common and predictable for a band that was so =20=

> diverse in their past releases.
>
> i mean, i like dod but it just seems like i'm listening to the =20
> extention of by.
>
>
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date:         fri, 22 sep 2006 11:26:47 -0400
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ig is on npr from atlanta right now!!!!

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date:         fri, 22 sep 2006 10:43:20 -0700
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"it would have felt more complete if amy could have shared a sample of =
what she does on this show." =20

i was thinking the same thing - and don't you guys think we're past due =
a full length concert dvd??? hmmmm?

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date:         fri, 22 sep 2006 18:32:05 +0000
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i very quickly need to add that i just took by out of my cd player after 3 solid weeks of play ( sirius broken) last night only to replace it with dod! i love by, collecting you, deconstruction of love, yield, starkville, you've got to show, our deliverance......... naturally i could go on, and on! i am surprised, i think that collecting you is brilliant. i have found amy's new songs (since stag) to be more "hooky" for example when bitterroot was new, i thought it was great, but now i skip over it on the cd, i feel like amy's songs can be very " in the moment" and emily's songs resonate for years after. please don't get me wrong, i love both of their styles and almost all of the music, but i needed to express my shock over the lack of love for by. i love it!!
btw lay my head on you.....i think just became my wedding song!!

peace & love,

janet

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> i have to say i pretty much agree with what neil had to say. i want to add
> though, i love the new cd and i also think it is their best work in a few years.
> i did like atwli alot but i think by is my least favored cd. i can't remember
> the last time i listened to it!!!! i think em's songs have been pretty lame
> the past few years but with this new cd she seems to be back. lay my head down
> seemed like a classic to me the first time i heard it. amy's stuff just keeps
> getting better with each cd.
>
> i also really miss jerry and sara as well. matt sounds to be a really good
> drummer though so i'm anxious to see them with the band!
>
> i also agree that messages boards have kinda taken over the listserv.
> listserv's are just becoming a thing of the past and not ig. i have to admit, i
> miss that april fools jokes that neil always posted. some of them were really
> great!
>
>
>
> peace!
> sandy
>
> <<<
>
> ryan has a pretty good take on it. the indigo girls are growing up, and so
> is their fanbase. with age comes different priorities and different stimuli.
>
>
> very few pop artists in their forties are able to continue writing music of
> the same quality as their earlier work. it's hard to write about being young
> and heartbroken when you're middle-aged and settled down. also, when you
> have the level of success that the indigo girls have, you don't have to bust
> your ass out on the road (or with your songwriting) winning over audiences
> anymore.
>
> i suspect, given the choice, amy and emily would happily take what they have
> now.
>
> perhaps more relevant to here - email lists are becoming obsolete.
> messageboards are easier to follow - and you can ignore threads that don't
> interest you. more importantly, messageboards are so much easier for new
> people to *find* compared with this ol' list. the downside is that you have
> to make the effort to actually go to messageboards every so often - new
> things don't just pop up in your inbox.
>
> oh, fwiw, i like the new album it much better than the last couple. no
> saxophone. emily's lyrics are better. i like it much better than the last
> couple. no saxophone. emily's lyrics are better. i'm sure they'll kick it up
> a notch live. i still miss jerry and sara. i'm sure they'll kick it up a
> notch live. i still miss jerry and sara. not sure how much of this is me
> growing up and how much is the indigo girls growing up.
>
> i've said too much.>>>>
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date:         sat, 23 sep 2006 09:29:53 +1000
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hey kids,

here's a mega-article from new england bay windows. you can read it online=
at
(mega url!):
http://baywindows.com/me2/dirmod.asp?sid=3d008ec9fbcff24ad18614290016be1303&nm=
=3dcur
rent+issue&type=3dpublishing&mod=3dpublications%3a%3aarticle&mid=3d8f3a70274218419=
78f1
8be895f87f791&tier=3d4&id=3d9a22c20088184d2f8668a605e9355a31

cheers,
sherlyn

---begin forwarded article---
issue date: 9/21/2006, posted on: 9/21/2006

despite their differences
laura kiritsy
lkiritsy@baywindows.com

amy and emily on touring, buffy the vampire slayer and working with pink

emily saliers likes the feel of wheels rolling beneath her, loves to hear=
the
humming engine of a tour bus, relishes the unfamiliarity that comes with=
waking
up in some far flung hotel. "everything that's romanticized about the road,=
i
like that," says saliers. "and i love our fans, they energize me and i love=

playing music and i wouldn't want to be playing with anyone else besides=
amy,"
she adds. "she's the greatest."

by contrast -- and in a bit of role reversal -- her musical partner amy ray,=

prefers sticking close to her rural georgia home over the rigors of the=
road.
"it's funny because emily actually used to be a homebody. i've kind of=
slowly
become a homebody over time," ray says with a laugh. "i think it's the=
necessary
evil because i really love playing music and i realize i can't just play in=
my
hometown all the time," she says with a laugh. "we can't do 20 shows a month=
in
atlanta so we have to go somewhere else to play." while two decades of=
touring
have produced favorite jogging paths, restaurants and comic book stores in=
every
region of the country, says ray, "i just prefer to be at home now. it's just=

something that's happened to me. it's just the way it is, but i love playing=
so
much that it's worth it to me [to tour]."

it's not surprising then that saliers and ray, the duo that comprise the=
indigo
girls, whose iconic harmonies are the soundtrack to the lesbian nation,=
titled
their newly-released disc despite our differences. they really are that
different, says ray, but it's all good. "i think some of it's superficial
difference, if people say emily's light and i'm dark or whatever. emily's a=

pretty dark person and i'm often pretty light about certain things. but it=
is
true that we typically feel opposite about most things except for central=
core
human values that we share," explains ray. indeed, the two share a passion=
for
advocating a host of progressive causes, from lgbt rights, to the=
environment,
to opposing the death penalty and the war in iraq. but says, ray, "there's a=

million things that are just different about us. that's why we work well
together."

saliers concedes the album's title is a reference to the pair's perseverance=

despite their differences but adds, "it also has more global implications,
because the way the world is right now and all the devastation and the war=
and
the conflict and different people coming from places of fear with how they
regard each other, it points to the hope and the possibility that despite=
our
difference we can co-exist in peace. and of course that's our hope for the
world. it's a hope reflected on the disc's saliers-penned opening track
"pendulum swinger," a catchy, feminist plea for peace on which she sings "it=

doesn't come by the bullwhip/it's not persuaded with your hands on your=
hips/not
the company of gunslingers/the epicenter love is the pendulum swinger."

despite our differences marks the indigo girls's debut on hollywood records,=
a
small disney-owned label, after a career-spanning 12 releases for epic=
records.
it's also the culmination of their first collaboration with producer=
mitchell
froom, the man responsible for creating the sonic textures that made fellow=

folkie suzanne vega's 1992 record 99.9f=b0 a stunner -- danceable, even. (he=
is
also vega's ex-husband and now married to saliers's good friend,
singer/songwriter vonda shepard.) froom has also produced elvis costello,
crowded house and sheryl crow, but what really turned saliers and ray on was=

froom's work with the band cibo matto, the west village outfit fronted by
japanese americans yuka honda and miho hatori that caused a sensation in the=

indie world in the mid-1990s with their hybrid of trip-hop, rap, riot grrl=
and
bjork-inspired nonsense (as in the lyric, "obi-wan kenobi is waiting for me=
in
union square," from the classic "sci-fi wasabi") one wouldn't necessarily=
peg
saliers as a fan of the band -- who broke hearts when they called it quits=
after
cutting just two full-length records, stereotype a and viva! la woman --=
after
all, it's ray who has branched out into edgier, punk-inflected territory=
with
her solo efforts stag and prom, while saliers has been cast as ever the joni=

mitchell-loving folkie. so it's surprising when she launches into full-blown=

cibo adoration: "oh my god, they're one of my [favorite bands]. i was so sad=

when they didn't make music anymore together." of their two releases, she=
says,
"i actually love both those records. yeah, man. well i love the way they=
sing, i
love their harmonies and the songs are so musical but they have this sort of=

aggression but under the guise of a sweet voice, which was really cool.

"they're sexy," she adds. "i think that band was really sexy."

as for froom, he hasn't turned the indigo girls into a pair of re-mix ready,=

avant-garde riot grrls. despite our differences is classic indigo girls, a=
blend
of saliers's earthy soprano and ray's throaty alto on tracks that showcase=
their
respective writing talents, from ray's gritty rural laments ("they won't=
have
me", "dirt and dead ends") to saliers's more spiritual/philosophical bent=
("fly
away", "all the way"). but the duo also uncharacteristically tears it up on=
the
ray-penned "rock and roll heaven's gate," a full-throated fight song whose=
fury
is further ratcheted up courtesy of backing vocals by pop star pink. the=
trio
first made music together on pink's anti-bush ballad "mr. president," which=
is
featured on her new record, i'm not dead. "she actually lived in atlanta for=

four years and i think when she was younger she was a fan of our music and=
sang
a lot of harmonies to it," says saliers. "so it was really really flattering=
to
be asked to sing on her record. the request came out of the blue, adds=
saliers,
who is a fan of the singer's, "and we had a really good experience in the=
studio
together. we all got along and just had a real good affinity and sang well
together. she's an incredible singer. so we were going to make a record out=
on
the west coast and she lives out there so we just said, =91well we're going to=

make a record in april or may or whatever and if you're around will you sing=
on
it?' and she's like, =91i'm there.' she happened to be in town and it was=
really
nice of her, too, because her record had come out and she was crazy busy.=
but
she just came in the studio, she didn't know the song; amy handed her the=
lyrics
and she just went in her little booth and knocked it out.

"she's a pro, man," adds saliers. "she sings so powerfully she has to stand=
like
five feet on the microphone. you could hear her through the isolation door.=
it
was just like, =91wow.'"

will the collaborations convert any pink fans? "that would be nice," says
saliers. "i love collaborations that you wouldn't normally think were going=
to
come about. that's just interesting to me. i feel like we so categorize=
things.
really, the magic comes out when you mix it up. i like hybrids. it would be=

fantastic if =85 there were pink fans who got turned on to our music through=
that
song and vice versa. it's just a great thing. the more we can be exposed to=

different kinds of music the better. because music just enriches our lives,=

informs us, and educates us and makes our spirits feel good -- or dark,=
however
we want to be. the more you get to know it, it's just this bottomless well=
of
this incredible gift."

without a doubt, "rock and roll heaven's gate" would have been well-suited=
to
either of ray's edgier solo efforts, which is, in fact, where other of ray's=

tunes have landed after being nixed as indigo girls material. since saliers=
and
ray don't write songs together, it's a given that on occasion one might not=
be
so into singing what the other has brought to the table. for the most part,=
the
writer has the final word on what gets added to the repertoire, says ray.
"that's our agreement. so if i think something's not as strong but emily=
feels
really strongly about it and just believes in it to the core then i give in=
and
let it unfold and see what happens, and vice versa."

but when serious misgivings about lyrical content emerge, the deal is off,=
as in
the case of ray's "lucystoners", a cut from stag in which ray takes a shot=
at
rolling stone founder jann wenner's male-dominated view of rock music. ray
recalls first pitching the song to saliers and manager russell carter: "i=
played
it for her and russell, our manager, and she was just like, =91well, i guess=
we'll
never get in rolling stone if we do that song.' and i was like, =91well, does=
it
really matter?' i mean, we haven't really had a significant place in rolling=

stone to begin with. and she's like, =91i don't know if i want to put that out=

there.' and i was like, =91that's cool i'll just do it by myself.' so i=
started
doing it alone it was pretty funny," says ray. "it didn't bother me at all=
and
it didn't bother her. she would make jokes about it after i'd sing it solo=
at a
show -- she would just sort of jokingly sing it back to me," she laughs. "so=
it
was fine."

such is life for a duo that has enjoyed two decades of success by=
capitalizing
on their differences rather than being sunk by them. but in any such
relationship, it's often the little things that help bridge the gap. things=
like
the cult tv show buffy the vampire slayer. "oh god, i love buffy," says=
saliers.
"love buffy. and so does amy. we watch it on the bus sometimes and i think=
we
have all the dvd's. i love that show so much.

"you can't even say why you love that show. it's got a certain magic to it,"=

adds saliers, whose tv watching also runs to football, the l word and cold=
case
("because i thought that actress was hot," she confesses).

"that show to me was great writing," ray agrees of buffy, which ran for=
seven
seasons on the wb and upn networks starting in the mid-1990s and has=
inspired
trekkie-like fanaticism. "i know it's very cultish and a lot of people sort=
of
think it's kitchsy or something but i felt like it was really profound in=
some
ways and poignant, some of the issues that it took on. but i like sci-fi=
fantasy
stuff because i think you can be more subversive in that art form.

"i watched the whole series all at once over a period of six months," she=
adds.
"and it was just so depressing when it was over because i thought, what am i=

gonna do?"

but despite their shared buffy-love, their differences, as always, emerge.
favorite character? "buffy," says saliers. "she kicks ass. like xena. i love=

feminine girls who kick ass."

as for ray, "i'm gonna have to say xander, actually," she says with a
sympathetic laugh for the show's most comically pathetic character. "i just=
feel
for him."

behind the music

amy ray on writing and recording the song "dirt and dead ends" from the new=

indigo girls disc despite our differences:

"well that one actually just kinda came out all at once. it's sort of the=
story
of a lot of people in the area that i live in and it's one person in=
particular.
i live in a rural area and it's really plagued with methamphetamine [abuse]=
and
drug trafficking and a lot of people that are just really demoralized, i=
think,
by the economy and the process of progress that goes on in rural areas that=

doesn't take into account the old ways really, or a way to make the=
ruralness
work. so i think i've seen a lot of people that -- their lives fall apart or=

they don't really know where they fit in necessarily and one way that a lot=
of
people have been fitting in where i live is just to start doing meth and=
start
selling it. and they get in trouble and they get arrested and their lives
unravel after that; they lose their house, they lose everything. so i was=
just
telling a story of someone that could really be anyone. and i'm also =85=
trying to
just illuminate also the disappearing countryside basically.

"it's funny because i recorded that song a bunch of times to try to get just=
the
right performance demo-wise, when i was demo-ing it in my house, in my=
little
room, in front of my little tape machine. then when we were going in [to the=

studio] to record it, i was like, =91i just don't think i can do it, i think i=

like the demo version so much that i just want to leave it.' so we just used=
the
version that i did in my house and built the bass part and the drum part=
around
it. so it was kind of fun because it was experimental and i really like=
mitchell
[froom, the record producer] and [sound mixer] david boucher a lot because
they'll do things like that. they understand that sometimes you just don't=
need
to record something again."

behind the music

emily saliers on writing the song "all the way" from the new indigo girls=
disc
despite our differences:

"i was driving home from nashville one day, it was around dinner time i=
think,
and i was stopped on the highway in bumper to bumper traffic. and off in the=

distance i could see this plume of smoke. i knew something really, really=
bad
had happened and i approached it and i saw that it was this huge truck, a=
cab,
actually, of a truck that had smashed into something off the side of the=
road.
obviously there's no way he could have seen because it was just --=
everything
was just decimated and on fire, and that image never left me. and i started=

thinking about the way that people crash into each other in life and what=
are
the repercussions of that: how do you survive it? what a mess it is [but]=
can
you come alive from it, in spirit? that image stayed with me so clearly and=
i
just, i like to use images about other things and put them in the human=
context.
so that was the genesis of that song. and it's about warning signs like the=

=91oilslick of uncertainty' and that signs are all around us that we're headed=

down this path. but we don't pay attention to them until we crash and it's=
not
even necessarily a bad thing to crash, but it is impactful.

"i'm fascinated by the way people come into each other's lives and for what=

reason. i'm the kind of person that believes that everything happens for a
reason and at the perfect time. but it still boggles my mind, through the
unraveling of it all and making sense of it and why we're so affected by=
people
and what that means and what does that count for, in a very existential way.=
so
that's the stuff i sit around and think about on the -- [laughs], well, all=
the
time, basically."

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date:         fri, 22 sep 2006 18:07:17 -0700
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hey y'all,

i have a few thoughts that i want to share here based on the conversations
going on over here.  like most, i have moved over to the message boards
(indigo vortex, to be exact; i hardly ever post on the official bbs) because
i like the format better than an email listserv.  i understand why many of
you are upset that this listserv is dying; i've been a member of this
listserv since the mid 90s, and have many fond memories of trading tapes (ha
ha... that ages me!), going to shows, and making tee shirts with listserv
members.  when the message board first started, i was stubborn and
skeptical, but in the end, i moved over there for the most part simply
becasue for me it's easier and more convenient.  that's not a diss to the
people here - i just have an easier time with the message board technology.
that's my major theory as to why the board is dying.  the majority of ig fan
traffic is on indigo vortex - even the official bbs is pretty slow.

anyway, that aside, i wanted to say a few things about dod. well, not only
about dod but of change and new music in general.

i love dod for the most part.  i do find "last tears" very trite, and i
could do without "fly away."  but aside from those two, i think it is a very
strong album, their strongest in years.  as an album, i loathe by, and
although atwli was an improvement, it still wasn't up to par with any of the
old classic.  i think dod is their most organic, most rootsy album in
years.  and i think that the songwriting (especially amy's) is top notch,
some of their best work ever.  i've rambled on and on about this both in my
personal blog (  http://indigokare.livejournal.com ) and on indigo vortex,
so i'm not going to say much more here.  if anyone's really interested in my
thoughts, that's where you can find them.  ;)

as far as new music and change goes, i remember back when swamp ophelia came
out.  i had just joined the listserv (i used the computers in my high school
since my parents were so behind the times), though i had 'known' many of
y'all for years (it's amazing how much easier having computers has made
communication.  i remember 'meeting' other fans before the internet (i was
the only ig fan at my school and in my town, so i reached out), and it was
all about pen, paper, and the glorious ol' usps...).  swamp o was one of the
rare albums that i loved everything about right off the bat.  usually, it
takes a while for things  to settle for me (n*i*s and swamp o are my
exceptions to that.  loved them right away).  but i remember the dialogue
about swamp o here, much of it mirrors the dialogue of dod.  i remember
reading many people saying that ig has lost it, and how on earth could they
ever go electric.  so many people hated that album when it was first
released.  now, 12 years later, many of these same people consider swamp o
and absolute classic.

what i'm saying is that change is hard.  it is.  for ig, dod was a huge
'shift in direction.'  new producer, new label, new drummer, new studio,
etc... and i can understand why some of y'all hate it - probably for some of
the same reasons swamp o was so hated at the beginning.  and i'm not asking
anyone to give it a second chance.  personally, i could give a rat's ass if
anyone likes or hates the album.  it's all about personal opinion.  my
favorite song on the album ("they won't have me") is one of my best friend's
most hated songs ever.  it's all good.  all i'm saying is that so many times
when a new album is released, the dialogue is the same.  i can't think of an
album since swamp o (since i've been online) that wasn't ripped apart by
their most hardcore fans when it was first released.  and i think that's a
good thing.  the people who read this listserv, who read the boards, who
support them by buying albums and going to shows are arguably ig's biggest
fans.  that's us.  and we have a right to be critics.  reading these posts
just remind me so much of the discussion in 1994, when swamp o was being
ripped apart.

anyway, again, those were all just observations.  i love the album.  i;ve
had it for a while, though.  some of the songs took a while to grow on me
("i believe in love" for one).  and i can not stand the production on "three
county highway" (love the song, but can we please cut those drums out?!
thank you.).  i don't think i'll ever be crazy about "last tears" or even
"fly away."  the studio version of "run" took a while to grow on me, but now
i really like it.  i just had to give it time to settle in, and i also have
to remind myself that not every album is going to sound like n*i*s (my all
time absolute favorite).

have a good weekend, y'all. see some of you at the upcoming round of shows
(i hope).

xoxo

spike

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date:         fri, 22 sep 2006 22:52:54 -0400
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the indigo girls were on a npr show called on point.

in really wierd coincidences, my friend john was a guest host of said
show a couple weeks ago - it should be on itunes or wbur.org, if not,
i know a recording exists...

not sure what they played, but yes, there was a ig show on npr today

mike r.

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i was off in nyc, playing with jason and seeing what's left of the who.

just got my copy of dod last night. listened to only 1/2 so far (re-entry,
lots of work, kids, and new year's eve). first impressions are very
favorable.

lauren

greg - i  completely agree with everything you've said. i was also wondering
why there  hasn't been any discussion of the new album. i am still waiting for
my copy to  arrive in the mail as amazon is having some delays with the
collector's  edition that i ordered. aarrgghh.  but i have been listening to the
whole  album via the online logo stream. otherwise i would have run out to buy
another copy while i waited for amazon to get their shit together.

i  think it's a great album. i like all the songs so far - no "skippers" as
there  usually are for me. i for one am thrilled! i think it was produced well
(not  overdone/over-processed like the last couple of albums). so far my favs
are  pendulum swinger and rock and roll heaven's gate. anyone else have
thoughts?  hellooooo, anyone out  there?

marci

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i'm not usually a big fan of me too posts, but, "me too."

i've been seeing them since '89. touring since '92. i've seen it ebb and
flow. stayed with them through albums i wasn't overly fond of (yes, cons).

spike is right on the money. solid, passionate fan base. quality music.
less mainstream, casual fan interest.

on the bright side, the people who do post here are much less inane than
when i first joined, some number of years ago. (that was meant as a compliment,
btw.)

lauren

ig has  been losing popularity since 1995.   that's just how it is.   and they
understand and accept that.  and you know what, i like now  that they're kind
of more underground.   it's much easier to get  tickets, they play smaller
venues, etc.  i did not like seeing them in  huge ampitheaters.  especially
since i was used to seeing them in  smaller places from their earlier days.

they have a strong, passionate,  always supportive fan base.  to me, that is
so much better for an  artist than having a huge wishy washy following that
moves on to other  things when the new next thing comes onto the scene.

jsut my two cents.

xoxo

spike

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i do agree to the extent that no album has come close to being as strong as
swampophelia. i still like the first five the best, but i have mostly
enjoyed the later albums.

and as someone who considered emily the greatest writer of my generation, i
do think that her material has generally gotten weaker over time while amy's
has generally gotten stronger.

lauren

in a message dated 9/21/2006 8:19:50 am mountain standard time,
lmmclan@emory.edu writes:

i have to say that i agree to some extent with this. i haven't
really been blown away by an album of theirs since swamp ophelia. i
do like bits and pieces of the later ones but each one has at least
3-4 songs that i skip over.

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just speaking for myself, i totally disagree. can't stand the message board
format. much prefer the email discussion. that's just me, though.

lauren

in a message dated 9/21/2006 8:19:50 am mountain standard time,
neil@andineil.com writes:

perhaps  more relevant to here - email lists are becoming obsolete.
messageboards  are easier to follow - and you can ignore threads that don't
interest you.  more importantly, messageboards are so much easier for new
people to *find*  compared with this ol' list. the downside is that you have
to make the  effort to actually go to messageboards every so often - new
things don't  just pop up in your inbox.

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i'm generally too lazy to go to the bbs, i like having the list just pop up
on email. i've been here since 1997. i really miss some of the old flame
wars on here, i got a kick out of them.

i'm doing my best to spread the good word on ig to the younger crowd. my son
has been a die-hard ig fan since his first concert in 1997. he'll be 17 year
at the end of the year and still loves the girls and still accompanies his
old ma to see them (singing along to every single song which makes me grin
from ear to ear).

i always liked ig but never really got into them until i received 1200
curfews from a friend for my birthday one year. we first saw them on sots
tour. maybe its because we weren't early fans, but we've never been
disappointed in any of their cd's. jordan and i truly love all of them, of
course some songs better than others. i do agree that emily's songwriting
hasn't improved in the same way that amy's has but she still can write a
damn good song (our deliverance, atwli, etc)

yes, i also agree prejudice has alot to do with why they don't get radio
play (with the exception of public radio like wxpn). i live close to
philadelphia and we had an "alternative" radio station here (y-100) that
gave least complicated heavy airplay when it came out. the music director
was very approachable (jim mcguinn- now the musical director for the hybrid
y-100 alternative program that wxpn in philly just started this month b/c so
many listeners mourned the station when it went off the air due to a format
change 2 years ago) you could email jim requests and comments and i remember
bugging him when cons came out b/c the station refused to play anything off
of it even songs i thought were really radio friendly like cold beer. he
basically replied that the station was going in a more hard rock edgier
direction and it was no longer cool to play ig.

i do, however, see quite a number of 20-something and even younger fans at
their concerts so i do think that they are attracting some new fans also.

i haven't bought the new cd yet but i will be buying it tomorrow. i didn't
know about the collectors edition until i read about it here so in a way i'm
glad i'll have the opportunity to see if i can find it.

i'll be checking out the vortex soon to see who might be going to the philly
show on 10/10. when jordan was little it was too hard to meet up with fellow
fans before or after the concert but now that he is older it would be fun to
meet some fellow ig fanatics. i met a few people at the north star bar on
amy's last solo tour but jordan couldn't go since you had to be over 21. we
also got to meet neil once and seen diane w. at a few concerts before she
moved to the left coast but it will be great to meet some more since ig fans
are wonderful people (imho).

yes, the list has gotten older like the rest of us and i mourn for the old
days just like i mourn for my younger body and the natural hair color of my
young days but i've accepted that the list has changed like everything else
in my life has changed in the last 10 years. i'm just happy that it is still
here and just like me i hope it keeps putting one foot (post) after the
other and continues to carry on!
:-)
l.

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[start of soppy/happy list memories]
i remember when there was so much ig listmail, even up to 200 messages a
day! some people left because of it. i was a baby ig fan then; and the
flame wars were incredible.

i agree with lauren. i am staying on the list, because i like the email
format; i am old-fashioned in a way. and it's great that the list has been
"weeded out" to the few faithful.

and ig fans, the true ones, are a great crowd. the casual fans who yell out
galileo, or just come to shows because of other reasons than ig and talk
really loud during the quiet/slow songs, i get annoyed.

i've met many people from the list--jill, neil and andi, michael, lynne and
jordan, the other jill and her life partner, anna, karen, (briefly in
chicago) greg, carrie k., our birthday queen audra, and more.  and i have
loved getting cards during the holidays from some of you also.  the ig boot
collection would not have started without jude hunter; and all the generous
people who volunteered to be branches on the cd trees.  and the funny songs
with the misheard lyrics.  all classic.

because of you, my taste in music expanded a hundred-fold, and it's nice to
still be discovering new music from local artists (and beyond).

i remember waiting in line at the bucknell university concert, and making
friends with people in line next to me.

[/end of soppy/happy list memories],
diane

p.s. lynne, someday i will get back to a philly or thereabouts indigo girls
concert. ;o)

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as someone who spends a good 80-90% of my online time going through my inboxes (i have other interests and my correspondance activity is 99% online now) i do appreciate that there are email discussions still going strong. i do not mind visiting the message boards on occasion, but for me they get really time-consuming once i start following the threads. i don't mind the "quiet" sometimes. i would rather have "quiet" than spam or inanity (insanity??).

just me, too... ;-)
lorna

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just me, too... ;-)
lorna

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you have a right to your own opinions, but i love fly away, and last tears! they're melodies are so beautiful and the alternate versions are so relaxing.i wish for a whole ig album of peaceful relaxing music.to change the subject...

what i miss most about amy onstage is she doesn't take as many risks,there was a time when she would change up the song when least expected, slow it down, and speed it up. and keep me on the seat of my pants.

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hey y'all,

anyway, that aside, i wanted to say a few things about dod. well, not only
about dod but of change and new music in general.

have a good weekend, y'all. see some of you at the upcoming round of shows
(i hope).

xoxo

spike

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i sure do miss jerry marotta on drums. :)

seriously, this is the first ig cd that at least one song (usually more)
didn't just jump out and grab me.

laura mclane wrote:
> i have to say that the drums and that synthesizer feel is what i've
> really disliked about emily's music on the past 3 cds. it's just not a
> sound i, personally, can get in to. but i agree that a lot of her songs
> from the past few cds do all sound the same.
>
> laura
>

- dr - indigohio 2006

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were you being serious when you said you thought lay my head down was about "taking a nap"?
just curious........

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> i've listened to despite our differences a few times now, and i have to say i'm
> completely underwhelmed. this album kinda sucks. don't get me wrong, there are
> some great songs. but they're surrounded by what i can only describe as filler.
>
> first off, i love pendulum swinger, little perennials, and rock and roll
> heaven's gate. and i like the raw production feel. but that's where the good
> stuff ends.
>
> i agree with everyone that emily has been lacking in the songwriting department
> in recent years, but i suppose it's only fair since she carried the band a lot
> back in the 90s. i disagree when it comes to the song lay my head down.
> everyone seems to like it, and it's catchy, i suppose. but it's a song about
> wanting to take a nap. and i just can't seem to get myself very amped up about
> that. then there's i believe in love, and that song about a bird, and last
> tears. i don't know, it just all seems reminiscent of hope alone and free in
> you. it's all so trite that celine dion or shania twain may as well be singing
> these songs.
>
> then there are the amy songs. i like most of them, but money made you mean
> seems sort of unfinished, and dirt and dead ends just makes me cringe.
>
> this whole endeavor makes me very sad. i love amy and emily, and i guess i just
> expected more out of them. and i really liked atwli and by. this isn't a
> general dislike of their recent material, as some people have expressed. that
> being said, dod is still in my cd player, and i'll continue to listen to it.
> i'll just be skipping a lot of songs on this one, and patiently awaiting amy's
> next solo album.
>
>
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barb bordner wrote: i wish for a whole ig album of peaceful relaxing music.

--i considered by to be that. after getting used to them rocking-out, i wasn't sure i was going to like it. but i let it grow on me, and when i'm in the mood to put it on i do. ;-)

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hey all,
.
. i wanted to wait until all my recent ig indulgence the past few weeks was
done before posting my impressions.  (i'll post my dod review under a
separate e-mail.)
.
. first up, i was lucky enough to score tickets to the first benefit show
at eddie's attic a while back.  i have a friend who's an ig fan and knows
that i am as well, so whenever he sees me, he asks me when the next show
is.  this time, he caught me after the benefit shows were announced but
before they went on sale.  "as long as you're not going with anybody, get
me a ticket too.  ok?"  fine.  the truth is, though, unless it's something
i've discovered together with someone else, any kind of music or art that
i've discovered on my own i generally prefer to keep appreciating it solo.
when you go see an act, like ig, that you really love, with somebody else,
it becomes a social event on top of just about appreciating the art.  i
guess it's just the loner in my talking, but it greatly distracts from my
enjoyment to divide my attention and worry about how my guest is enjoying
themselves; i feel self-conscious about their opinion of how much i'm into
it compared to them, etc.  seriously, i'd just as soon go to any ig show by
myself.  but i also don't have the heart to say to a friend's face, "no
thanks.  i'd rather go alone than go with you."
. anyway, so as much as my friend is a big ig fan, he's never been any of
these kind of small venue shows to see them.  he came out of the bathroom
and bumped into emily and was so flustered he didn't know what to say.  he
went to the bar to get a drink and nudged someone out of the way and it was
amy.  he came back all freaked out.  it was a sight seeing my 6'5" friend
all sheepish and embarrassed over his brushes with greatness.  i guess i
need the reminder of how special it really is to get to see them in
settings like this.
. the show was solid.  matthew kahler is a big talent but his songwriting
isn't quite accessible enough to have made a bigger breakthrough.  i was a
little disappointed with his song selection.  sarah mccracken was great --
a beautiful voice from such a slight figure.  she did a great cover of the
johnny cash/june carter song "it ain't me, babe" (actually written by bob
dylan).  trina meade and tomi martin from three five human/stereo popsicle
did a great set.  trina's voice is fantastic, but like matthew (male
folksinger), they're stuck in a genre (black rock) that doesn't have enough
of a market to do justice to their talent.  janet mclaughlin (the
beneficiary of the evening) sang also, for the first time since a serious
medical condition struck her.  i've seen her before as well -- she's a
solid entertainer.  the ig set was short, with "dairy queen" (one of my
least favorites) and "galileo" accompanying four new songs, "pendulum
swinger", "little perennials", "lay my head down" and "three-county
highway".  maybe it was the distraction of having my friend there with me,
but i didn't get into the set much and was a little bummed that i hadn't
liked the new material more than i did.  after "little perennials", emily
said that she knows when they've crossed north of the mason-dixon line on
tour because that's when they stop having any of amy's many cousins on the
guest list.  (i take it that's what that song is about - remembering all
the names of relatives she sees once a year on tour stops.)
.
------
.
. on monday night, i went to tower records in hopes of getting the new ig
(and elton john) discs at midnight.  the shipment carrying both didn't come
in, but instead i stumbled into "the other america" which i normally avoid.
there were about thirty or forty 60-year-old grandmothers having some kind
of giddy gathering at the record store.  they all had name tags and
homemade shirts, buttons and lunch boxes and all sorts of stuff.  the
occasion?  the release of the new clay aiken cd!  yikes!  they were busy
snapping pitchers and recording this event on minicams.  it's been years
since the internet first empowered us the same way and we had our first
listmeets and those new year's day shows at rainy day records.  as goofy as
these women seemed to me, i could understand how empowered they felt.  "are
you here to get the new clay aiken cd, too?"  "no, ma'am."  "what are doing
up so late?"  "i was up, anyway."  (anybody see kathy griffin describe the
claymates in her "d-list" tv shows?  she's completely right about their
(completely confounding to me) devotion to him.
.
------
.
. since i couldn't get the new ig right away, i decided to wait until
friday and get it at their in-store performance at criminal records in
little five points.  the store is so small, it turned out, that they
weren't "in-store".  they were on the sidewalk outside the front doors
playing to a crowd of 200+ in the parking lot.  fantastic atmosphere.
intimate and thrilling all the same.  (plus, i was by myself this time.)
the same four new songs sounded way better this second time around and i
was now psyched to get the new cd.  bonus songs were "yield" and "galileo".
i saw ig perform a few feet away outside in l5p back in 1990 when they were
just becoming known.  seeing them at that point was great but it didn't
seem inappropriate.  this far down the line, seeing a-list talent perform
for free in a parking lot felt beyond special.  their fame isn't on the
same scale, but quality-wise it might as well have been like seeing madonna
sing in a parking lot.  i'm glad they can still do stuff like this.
. after the set, the deal was you had to make a purchase at the store in
order to get a ticket number.  anyone with a number was guaranteed to get
in to see them for a quick autograph; anyone without a number had to risk
whether ig felt like staying around any longer after that.  at this point,
i got a little panicked because i realized i was going to get to speak to
them.  not to sound jaded, but they're so accessible and approachable that
over the years i've gotten to speak with them more times than i've had
anything meaningful to say to them.  how many times can you say, "gee, i
think you're great."?  so i'm trying to think of some small talk while i
wait.  i needed two, but i could only think of one thing.  i got to emily
and asked her whether the saturday night live skit was "funny or mean".
she said she thought it was funny, but would just as soon that they had ig
on the show to perform as make fun of them.  she said amy never saw it but
she doubted that amy would have liked it all that much.  to amy (and emily)
i basically said, "thanks for still doing in-store shows like this.
they're always nice."  witty and memorable it weren't.
.
------
.
. the two full shows at the tabernacle are still a couple of weeks away,
but this was a great dose of ig in the meantime.
.
-- ron
.
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here's my full dod review:
.
. i'm surprised to hear myself say it, but i'd argue that this is their
best album ever.  i think swamp ophelia represents the height of their
original sound embellished by rich orchestration.  after that, they started
experimenting at expanding their sound, their instrumentation as well as
song styles.  the following cds had growing pains, hits and misses.  this
one represents (although more bare-bones in arrangement) mastery of a
variety of styles, and instrumentation.  grammy-worthy, to be sure.  the
overall sound of this album is excellent.  great job by the producer.
.
. i could do without the "beavis and butthead" moments ("huh-huh ... she
said 'f**k' and 'hooker'!"), but that's the only negative thing i can find.
it's a+ for me.
.
. pendulum swinger - i found the straight strumming monotonous the first
couple of live renditions of this that i heard.  not crazy about the lyrics
- a little too plain spoken and not subtle enough for me.  best part ("she
is - she is" ) comes way too late.  the recorded version adds a richness
that makes it more palatable.  ok.  not great.  one more opportunity to
give the live audience the chance to say "f**k" as if it's some naughty
moment of liberation.  immature, frankly.
. little perennials - recording is better than the stripped down live
version.  hand claps and lively drumming add to the fun.  "oh we oh" makes
me think of the witch's guards in the "wizard of oz".  great.
. i believe in love - an example of how their sound has expanded and
they've mastered something new.  the mandolin really brightens their sound
in a way they didn't have available in the beginning.  not sure any of
their songs are actually about each other, but maybe this one is.  (what's
the count now of album titles that come from emily songs vs. amy songs?)
slightly better with a band, i think.
. three-county highway - there's something so slinky about this right from
the start that really gets to me.  my favorite track of all, i think.
great chorus.  what does the phrase "debtor's town" mean?  great.
. run - emily slides into falsetto is such a wonderful way.  reminds me of
barbra streisand in a way.  seamless.  they've developed a kind of
signature on choruses where emily sings the full verse with amy delvering a
summary of the same lyric behind her until the final line that emily sings
on her own.  it works really well.  backing band keeping a bouncy tempo
helps.
. rock and roll heaven's gate - i guess "three political queers" is a
reference to the butchies for one -- anyone else?  "f**k" is a little more
acceptable in a punk-inspired song.  i love the line "free to be a trend".
anything that isn't "the norm" is confined to be flavor of the month, at
best.  i hear you.  nothing about the sound of this one makes you feel like
this a band that's out of its element (as with earlier attempts to rock
out).
. lay my head down - beautiful.  nice use of falsetto (although i could do
without the extra emphasis on "hookers" as if she's being naughty).  nice
contrast of soft and sharp backing vocals from amy in one song.  very nice.
. money made you mean - again, another example of a song style they didn't
have mastery over earlier in their career.  love the way amy spits out
these rapid-fire lyrics and the drum backs her up in the same style.  great
the way the drum comes in and out of this one.  very nice.
. fly away - emily's voice over piano has a special quality that the guitar
songs don't.  thought maybe this was emily herself on piano, but i see that
it's actually carol isaacs.  that doesn't quite qualify it as a pure
example of their having mastered a sound they didn't have early on.  nice
falsetto again.
. dirt and dead ends - the first track i'll likely skip routinely.  it's
not a bad track but it's too specific to be in heavy rotation for me (kind
of like "dairy queen").  nice harmonica coming in late,  reminds me of some
other (u2?) song i can't think of at the moment.  ok.
. all the way - backing band makes this one more palatable than it would be
otherwise.  it's not the song that's especially great here, it's just the
joy of their sound itself.
. they won't have me - amy's becoming such a rural persona that it's hard
for me to relate to a song like this.  i don't even get what this song is
about.  sounds nice and raw, but it's only good, not great.
. last tears - nice but not great.  reminds me a little of "fare thee
well".  a little sleepy.  not bad, but not a standout track.
.
.
. i think this cd is very strong overall.  there's no "galileo" here, but
there are plenty of songs i won't mind hearing for years to come.
.
-- ron
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ron wrote,

. on monday night, i went to tower records in hopes of getting the new ig
(and elton john) discs at midnight.  the shipment carrying both didn't come
in, but instead i stumbled into "the other america" which i normally avoid.
there were about thirty or forty 60-year-old grandmothers having some kind
of giddy gathering at the record store.  they all had name tags and
homemade shirts, buttons and lunch boxes and all sorts of stuff.  the
occasion?  the release of the new clay aiken cd!  yikes!  they were busy
snapping pitchers and recording this event on minicams.  it's been years
since the internet first empowered us the same way and we had our first
listmeets and those new year's day shows at rainy day records.  as goofy as
these women seemed to me, i could understand how empowered they felt.  "are
you here to get the new clay aiken cd, too?"  "no, ma'am."  "what are doing
up so late?"  "i was up, anyway."  (anybody see kathy griffin describe the
claymates in her "d-list" tv shows?  she's completely right about their
(completely confounding to me) devotion to him.
---
  ron, you don't think we'll be like that someday with ig records, do you? :-) hey, for me, it's only another nine years!
  whew, i don't know why, actually, but i would never imagine 60-yo's swooning over clay aiken. i suppose he rekindles something in them, or it's wishful thinking that he's the kind of boy who might make a good son-in law.
as for dod, i don't have it yet, and the only place i heard it was on the logo link that someone sent the other week and i listened at work, where it was really just background music. i haven't been anywhere to pick it up yet, maybe this coming week. but overall, i have listened less to ig in recent years, mainly because my musical tastes have diversified, and i've found myself listening to, among others, los lonely boys, mark erelli and pete & maura kennedy. only so many hours of the day -- but it seems like fewer -- and now i have to explore this new clay aiken phenomenom, on top of everything else!
as for this list vs. message boards, i never seem to remember to wander over to all the boards, so i've preferred e-mail. plus, even if the passwords are all the same, it's a pain in the butt to have to log in everywhere i go. so i hope the list stays around.
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doesn't the reference to "debtor's town" come right after a mention of sunday? i took it as a roundabout reference to the lord's prayer - forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors- which makes it a town of sinners! but then, aren't they all :-)

pam in big d

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<great chorus. what does the phrase "debtor's town" mean? great.>.

pam myers-morgan
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driving home late last night, i really heard this song (all the way) for the first time and was struck by emily taking an image that she has used multiple times through the years, that of the car crash, and extending it for most of a song. i like this one more and more as i listen to it.

in general, the sound of this disc is so much cleaner for me than previous efforts, although i am a fan of atwli. i think that tether is one of amy's absolute best songs ever and nothing of hers on dod even comes close imho. but am still letting the dod marinate!

pam in big d (thanks ron, for a very interesting breakdown of the new disc)

ron mcbay <usul@mindspring.com> wrote:
. all the way - backing band makes this one more palatable than it
would be
otherwise. it's not the song that's especially great here, it's just
the
joy of their sound itself.

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i almost fell over daid this morning when kmtt played ig's cover of "i =
don't
wanna talk about it" from the philadelphia sountrack.
i never thought i would hear that one on the radio.=20

ron, thanks for your post. i always enjoy your analysis of the albums. i =
go to
the majority of my ig shows alone too. i'm a little bit embarrassed by =
the
fervor of my adoration during a show and friends and family who "get it" =
are all
ig'd out for now. i brought my mother-in-law and her partner to a show =
at the
pier once and they ended up wandering around the venue looking at =
passing boats.
i ditched them and managed to get my first front row seat. i brought my =
mom once
and had a hard time not rushing up top the front with everyone else. =
basically,
any friends/family at a show only detract from the experience. my kid =
complains
that i won't take him to a show, but indigo girls is my thing and i feel
entitled to be selfish about wanting to have a good time.=20

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nah, i mean even more so than on by...i mean no drums, no electric instruements, just pure voice and guitar, where the melody and harmony become the most important part of the song....sort of like very early 60's simon and garfunkel.i was extremely dissappointed in by, it wasn't folky enough. i mean i liked a few songs but they were by no means the type that i would consider relaxing enough to use when i need to lay back in the tub..for that i need something more quiet...

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barb bordner wrote: i wish for a whole ig album of peaceful relaxing music.

--i considered by to be that. after getting used to them rocking-out, i wasn't sure i was going to like it. but i let it grow on me, and when i'm in the mood to put it on i do. ;-)

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great review, ron! thanks so much.
i think dod is grammy worthy as well. and btw, emily is playing the ukulele
on
"i believe in love". :)

on 9/24/06, ron mcbay <usul@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> here's my full dod review:
> .
> . i'm surprised to hear myself say it, but i'd argue that this is their
> best album ever.  i think swamp ophelia represents the height of their
> original sound embellished by rich orchestration.  after that, they
> started
> experimenting at expanding their sound, their instrumentation as well as
> song styles.  the following cds had growing pains, hits and misses.  this
> one represents (although more bare-bones in arrangement) mastery of a
> variety of styles, and instrumentation.  grammy-worthy, to be sure.  the
> overall sound of this album is excellent.  great job by the producer.
> .
> . i could do without the "beavis and butthead" moments ("huh-huh ... she
> said 'f**k' and 'hooker'!"), but that's the only negative thing i can
> find.
> it's a+ for me.
> .
> . pendulum swinger - i found the straight strumming monotonous the first
> couple of live renditions of this that i heard.  not crazy about the
> lyrics
> - a little too plain spoken and not subtle enough for me.  best part ("she
> is - she is" ) comes way too late.  the recorded version adds a richness
> that makes it more palatable.  ok.  not great.  one more opportunity to
> give the live audience the chance to say "f**k" as if it's some naughty
> moment of liberation.  immature, frankly.
> . little perennials - recording is better than the stripped down live
> version.  hand claps and lively drumming add to the fun.  "oh we oh" makes
> me think of the witch's guards in the "wizard of oz".  great.
> . i believe in love - an example of how their sound has expanded and
> they've mastered something new.  the mandolin really brightens their sound
> in a way they didn't have available in the beginning.  not sure any of
> their songs are actually about each other, but maybe this one is.  (what's
> the count now of album titles that come from emily songs vs. amy songs?)
> slightly better with a band, i think.
> . three-county highway - there's something so slinky about this right from
> the start that really gets to me.  my favorite track of all, i think.
> great chorus.  what does the phrase "debtor's town" mean?  great.
> . run - emily slides into falsetto is such a wonderful way.  reminds me of
> barbra streisand in a way.  seamless.  they've developed a kind of
> signature on choruses where emily sings the full verse with amy delvering
> a
> summary of the same lyric behind her until the final line that emily sings
> on her own.  it works really well.  backing band keeping a bouncy tempo
> helps.
> . rock and roll heaven's gate - i guess "three political queers" is a
> reference to the butchies for one -- anyone else?  "f**k" is a little more
> acceptable in a punk-inspired song.  i love the line "free to be a trend".
> anything that isn't "the norm" is confined to be flavor of the month, at
> best.  i hear you.  nothing about the sound of this one makes you feel
> like
> this a band that's out of its element (as with earlier attempts to rock
> out).
> . lay my head down - beautiful.  nice use of falsetto (although i could do
> without the extra emphasis on "hookers" as if she's being naughty).  nice
> contrast of soft and sharp backing vocals from amy in one song.  very
> nice.
> . money made you mean - again, another example of a song style they didn't
> have mastery over earlier in their career.  love the way amy spits out
> these rapid-fire lyrics and the drum backs her up in the same
> style.  great
> the way the drum comes in and out of this one.  very nice.
> . fly away - emily's voice over piano has a special quality that the
> guitar
> songs don't.  thought maybe this was emily herself on piano, but i see
> that
> it's actually carol isaacs.  that doesn't quite qualify it as a pure
> example of their having mastered a sound they didn't have early on.  nice
> falsetto again.
> . dirt and dead ends - the first track i'll likely skip routinely.  it's
> not a bad track but it's too specific to be in heavy rotation for me (kind
> of like "dairy queen").  nice harmonica coming in late,  reminds me of
> some
> other (u2?) song i can't think of at the moment.  ok.
> . all the way - backing band makes this one more palatable than it would
> be
> otherwise.  it's not the song that's especially great here, it's just the
> joy of their sound itself.
> . they won't have me - amy's becoming such a rural persona that it's hard
> for me to relate to a song like this.  i don't even get what this song is
> about.  sounds nice and raw, but it's only good, not great.
> . last tears - nice but not great.  reminds me a little of "fare thee
> well".  a little sleepy.  not bad, but not a standout track.
> .
> .
> . i think this cd is very strong overall.  there's no "galileo" here, but
> there are plenty of songs i won't mind hearing for years to come.
> .
> -- ron
> .
> .
>
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hey y'all,

the first san francisco show at the warfield (9 nov) went on sale this
morning through ticketmaster.

the floor is ga, and the balcony and loge are reserved.

sf shows typically do sell out, so if you're planning on coming, get your
tickets soon!

xoxo

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oh yeah:
.
. in one of the setlists from somebody's review of a show this summer,
there was a mention of something called "boat song".  i try to write down
all the titles and descriptions of new songs i haven't heard yet.
everything else i took note of wound up being a reference to something that
wound up on dod.  is this a reference to one of the dod songs, or is it
something separate that didn't make it onto this album?
.
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it was an error. the person who posted the setlist accidently called "the
wood song" that. i was at the show, and i can verify. :)

on 9/24/06, ron mcbay <usul@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> oh yeah:
> .
> . in one of the setlists from somebody's review of a show this summer,
> there was a mention of something called "boat song".  i try to write down
> all the titles and descriptions of new songs i haven't heard yet.
> everything else i took note of wound up being a reference to something
> that
> wound up on dod.  is this a reference to one of the dod songs, or is it
> something separate that didn't make it onto this album?
> .
> -- ron
> .
> .
>
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bucknell was a great show - it was a really intense time in my life...

i have to echo diane's sentiments...i have met some really incredible people
because of the indigo girls and music in general.

cheers,
carrie

on 9/23/06, diane wong <arle@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> [start of soppy/happy list memories]
> i've met many people from the list--jill, neil and andi, michael, lynne
> and
> jordan, the other jill and her life partner, anna, karen, (briefly in
> chicago) greg, carrie k., our birthday queen audra, and more.  and i have
> loved getting cards during the holidays from some of you also.  the ig
> boot
> collection would not have started without jude hunter; and all the
> generous
> people who volunteered to be branches on the cd trees.  and the funny
> songs
> with the misheard lyrics.  all classic.
>
> because of you, my taste in music expanded a hundred-fold, and it's nice
> to
> still be discovering new music from local artists (and beyond).
>
> i remember waiting in line at the bucknell university concert, and making
> friends with people in line next to me.
>
> [/end of soppy/happy list memories],
> diane
>
> p.s.  lynne, someday i will get back to a philly or thereabouts indigo
> girls
> concert. ;o)
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url: http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2006/09/20060922_b_main.asp

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hey kids,

it's also available for download (free) on itunes.
make sure you're searching the podcasts, and it will pop right up.

-bon

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> url: http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2006/09/20060922_b_main.asp
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is it up there yet? when i looked this morning, they didn't have that
segment listed.

on 9/25/06, bonster <cornfusion@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> it's also available for download (free) on itunes.
> make sure you're searching the podcasts, and it will pop right up.
>
> -bon

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yup - i just listened to it - i thought it was a really good interview

kellie

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>is it up there yet? when i looked this morning, they didn't have that
>segment listed.
>
>on 9/25/06, bonster <cornfusion@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>>it's also available for download (free) on itunes.
>>make sure you're searching the podcasts, and it will pop right up.
>>
>>-bon
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yeah, it's been up for a couple of days. i downloaded it friday evening.

go to the itunes store. click on podcasts (on the left side)
then on the right side column, click on power search
in the title field, type "on point" (without the quotes)
it yields one result.
click on the "on point npr" icon and it will open up a list of shows.

select "the devil is in the un" dated 9/22/06

that's all there is to it!

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> is it up there yet? when i looked this morning, they didn't have that
> segment listed.
>
> on 9/25/06, bonster <cornfusion@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >
> > it's also available for download (free) on itunes.
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ah! i saw that one, but i didn't think it was the right show. thanks
for the clarification!

on 9/25/06, bonster <cornfusion@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> go to the itunes store. click on podcasts (on the left side)
> then on the right side column, click on power search
> in the title field, type "on point" (without the quotes)
> it yields one result.
> click on the "on point npr" icon and it will open up a list of shows.
>
> select "the devil is in the un" dated 9/22/06
>
> that's all there is to it!

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>.   the
>occasion?  the release of the new clay aiken cd!  yikes!  they were busy
>snapping pitchers and recording this event on minicams.  it's been years
>since the internet first empowered us the same way and we had our first
>listmeets and those new year's day shows at rainy day records.  as goofy as
>these women seemed to me, i could understand how empowered they felt.  "are
>you here to get the new clay aiken cd, too?"  "no, ma'am."  "what are doing
>up so late?"  "i was up, anyway."  (anybody see kathy griffin describe the
>claymates in her "d-list" tv shows?  she's completely right about their
>(completely confounding to me) devotion to him.

i am not ashamed to admit that when i bought dod at walmart, i also picked
up clay aiken's new cover album.  kind of an odd combination of cd
purchases.  but it was 9 bucks and i try to support my fellow gay artists.
wonder how long until people magazine does his coming out story like lance
bass.  maybe he'll be allowed to come out once he sells a few more million
cd's.

i do recall similar undying ig devotion on line at tower records. those
were the fun days.

still think rock and roll heaven's gate is the best song on the new cd.  it
is the one song i play repeatedly so far.  is e singingon the song?  the
rock out kind of drowns the voices.  also noticed the word fuck several
times on the cd.  does each cd have some profanity in a song?  i like it.
shame on you had it.  can't think of others at the moment.  so edgy!  still
listening daily and need more time for an overall opinion on dod.

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that reminds me...i was dragged into a wal-mart the other day that had several copies of dod. they are edited (obviously because of the number of times "fuck" is uttered on it). am sure thankful i got my copy elsewhere. ;-)

this is a great reason for ig fans to not shop at wal-mart. anyone with a computer can order it from somwhere else (newberry comics is cool!), or best-yet, buy it at local cd dealer if they still happen to live near one.

didn't mean to sound like some crazed lunatic beating people with a stick on this matter, or force anyone to quit shopping at wal-mart if it's the only store in their town where they can get their "basic necessities." but my brother broke news to me yesterday that a local book store is closing at the end of the year. like most booksense afflilliated dealers, the owner blames chains (including yet another wal-mart being built in my area) and online shopping for being forced to close. :-(

--lorna

greg flamer <gflamer@hotmail.com> wrote:
... also noticed the word fuck severaltimes on the cd. does each cd have some profanity in a song? i like it. shame on you had it. can't think of others at the moment. so edgy! still listening daily and need more time for an overall opinion on dod.

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i see your point. it was just my opinion i was expressing. ;-)

i would, indeed, like to hear such a cd from them again.

--lorna

barb bordner <ritesofpassage04@netscape.com> wrote:
nah, i mean even more so than on by...i mean no drums, no electric instruements, just pure voice and guitar, where the melody and harmony become the most important part of the song....sort of like very early 60's simon and garfunkel.i was extremely dissappointed in by, it wasn't folky enough. i mean i liked a few songs but they were by no means the type that i would consider relaxing enough to use when i need to lay back in the tub..for that i need something more quiet...

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wow! i couldn't disagree more. i love all their cds (except shaming of the
sun, by far their low point). i don't understand how become you isn't ranked
up there with swamp ophelia. it's fantastic. atwli had some ho-hum songs,
but it had a lot of good material, too. their music is far from dead. emily
needs to get out of her rut, but she still pens something as amazing as "all
that we let in" once in a while.

cheers,
tom m.

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>>
>>ok, not really, but it's my personal opinion that fans have continuously
>>jumped ship over the years due to the lack of quality in their music.
>>
>>ig may like to point the finger at sexism and bigotry, but personally, i
>>see
>>a huge difference in the kind of music they used to make vs the kind of
>>music they are making today. the big difference being it's simply not as
>>good.

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  are they too political?  i mean does anyone know of a fan who got into =
ig=20
after 2000?  all non-ig fans i know are aware of them due to ctf, power =
of=20
two or galileo--arguably their 3 big hits.  <<<<

well i have not been a 20-something for 20-something years, but my gf =
and i only discovered the igs in 2002 - a friend from the us lent us igs =
and gave me her copy of the reverse ep, then a few months later i got =
retrospective and we were hooked.  that was just before by came out, so =
we got that and within a few months had the whole set between us.  we =
were lucky enough to see them on their last uk tour in 2002  (when we =
didnt even know a&e always had their own side of the stage or that they =
talked to fans by the bus), and i remember playing the newly-bought cons =
on the way home in the car. =20

not having heard any singles on uk radio, retrospective was the only =
clue to their big hits and i still think it is a great selection.
all the albums have different moods and i love them all.  sots is =
wonderfully raw and dark and i tend to play it when i want to  hear =
amy's darker side, and i often miss out get out the map and shame on you =
because they are much more upbeat than the other tracks. i love them =
too, they just seem a bit inconsistent on sots.
i just played by twice and i can't see why others dont like that one. =
one thing i really like about igs that stood out on by is the variety of =
their work.  no 2 songs sound at all alike to me, and i cant think of =
another band/artist that i can say that about. i wouldnt want a whole =
jazzy album, but you've got to show is definitely a favourite. our =
deliverance is very powerful imo, and i cant hear a weak track at all.  =
atwli highlight has to be tether, which is right up there with touchme =
fall, go, this train and sister for me. and emily so often touches some =
profound concepts, such as in atwli itself and free in you.  i think you =
can hear that they put their souls into each album and i try to listen =
to each one for what it is, rather than compare them too much.

we're still waiting for dod in the uk. i dont think it is actually =
released here so i;m waiting for import copies of the collectors =
edition.

re the list -i like getting email popping in regularly from lists. i do =
look around indigovortex as well, but it is a big place and i think i =
miss a lot there. it's nice to have both options.

bev
uk

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with all due respect, it's 2006, not 1966, and amy ray is a rockstar, not a
substitute for calgon.

on 9/24/06, barb bordner <ritesofpassage04@netscape.com> wrote:
>
> nah, i mean even more so than on by...i mean no drums, no electric
> instruements, just pure voice and guitar, where the melody and harmony
> become the most important part of the song....sort of like very early 60's
> simon and garfunkel.i was extremely dissappointed in by, it wasn't folky
> enough. i mean i liked a few songs but they were by no means the type that i
> would consider relaxing enough to use when i need to lay back in the
> tub..for that i need something more quiet...
>

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word. generally speaking, if a song belongs on one of those "lite" 'rock'
stations, i don't like it. i love it when ig rock out, no band or band.

on 9/26/06, bonster <cornfusion@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> with all due respect, it's 2006, not 1966, and amy ray is a rockstar, not
> a
> substitute for calgon.
>
>
>
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scary, new things
spike makes a great point about the ripping apart of each new album, the
shock to the system of all that is new and different...i remember being so
confused by swamp o. were these really my same indigo girls? i of course
adore that album now. although power of two is my personal
song-to-always-skip. it's the only song of all the albums that i
consistently skip. every time. i know, i know. that makes one of me. it's
great, though, because i always have a well-placed early-middle-of-the-set
bathroom break at concerts.

back to the present
i like despite our differences.  bonus: i like that it's orange! orange
things are cool. i have found the amy/emily better/worsening songwriting
discussions here interesting. despite emily's analysis years ago that her
songs, more so than amy's, tended to delve into interpersonal relationships,
i see that as being even more true of late than it was then. and i
discovered a couple months ago that become you is a phenomenal break-up
album. when i first heard it i thought it was waaaaaay too mellow overall,
almost easy-listening-like, and i pretty much listened only to yield,
bitterroot, and starkville for ever. (crap, how many r's in bitter...sorry
if spelled wrong)  but recently i've gone through a hideous betrayal evil ex
incident and i listen to it in a whole new light. in that same light i might
add ghost now looks like a song about loving a drug addict.  who knew?
damn, i digressed to the past again.

i didn't get to hear all the new stuff in concert this summer (due to having
been in korea the past year and recently returned to the u.s.) and so i'm
hearing a bunch of it for the first time. i actually don't think rock n roll
heaven's gate is my favorite. partly because what does that title mean,
exactly? also i am listening slowly and savoring having a new album. i
don't dislike any of the songs, even last tears, but i do sometimes think
"is that really an indigo girls song?" and then i'm like, who am i to say
what's an ig song? thus reiterating my point that spike is right. in ten
years, i'll surely be waxing nostalgic about atwli and dod. that's fun to
contemplate.

speaking of years...
my assessment last week of the new album to a fellow longtime fan and friend
was that i feel like i'm married to the girls' music. seriously. i've been
with it for almost 18 years now. i remember when we were introduced. at
first everything was exciting and new and i couldn't get enough of it. i
grew to know it. i grew to love it. new things came along. i loved them too.
our relationship changed, and evolved, and there were good times and better
times and occasional disagreements. i love ig music so deeply and it's such
a part of my life that now i don't even think about it being a part of my
life (nor does anyone who knows me) and i don't expect to feel like i have a
crush on it anymore. it goes much deeper. frankly, would that real-life
marriages and relationships could work out as well! (and yes i realize it's
not the same two-way street, it's just an analogy, ok!)

horrified!
as for greg, you should not be ashamed that you bought the clay aiken cd,
but you should be well ashamed you bought anything including our dear girls
at wal-mart. wal-mart?! for god's sakes. of all the places i thought i'd
find fellow travelers who boycott that particular evil w, the ig list seemed
the place. alas, no.  wal-mart's right-wing politics and many of their
policies and behaviors are decidedly evil.  it's one thing to not
necessarily support every political organization amy & emily do, to not sign
the petitions at shows or something, but to shop at wal-mart? which is the
antithesis of everything good, active, and ig? i was so stunned when i read
that the other day and even more stunned that it came up again today.  that
frightens me.  yes there is always an alternative.

~linda~

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i always skip power of two as well. ;) it is my least fave ig song (last
tears is working its way up there as well)

on 9/26/06, linda napikoski <napikoski@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> scary, new things
> spike makes a great point about the ripping apart of each new album, the
> shock to the system of all that is new and different...i remember being so
> confused by swamp o. were these really my same indigo girls? i of course
> adore that album now. although power of two is my personal
> song-to-always-skip. it's the only song of all the albums that i
> consistently skip. every time. i know, i know. that makes one of me. it's
> great, though, because i always have a well-placed early-middle-of-the-set
> bathroom break at concerts.
>
>
>
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sea,
and i'm laughing, i'm under a starry sky
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> although power of two is my personal
>song-to-always-skip. it's the only song of all the albums that i
>consistently skip. every time. i know, i know. that makes one of me. it's
>great, though, because i always have a well-placed early-middle-of-the-set
>bathroom break at concerts.

wow--i am a third always skip po2. you are not alone, linda! never rerally
cared for it and definitely hate that it's played at every single concert
i've been to. agreed that it makes for a good pee break or beer run. the
only good part in concert is when e lets the audience sing an entire
verse...talking bout a difficult thing and my eyes are getting red.....

>i actually don't think rock n roll
>heaven's gate is my favorite. partly because what does that title mean,
>exactly?

not sure of meaning yet.  my ig new cd listening process is always, music
for a month and then get into the lyrics.  they could be singing heil hitler
and we love trent lott--if it's in good harmony and rocks out i love the
song.  guess it's time to start hearing the msgs soon.

>my assessment last week of the new album to a fellow longtime fan and
>friend was that i feel like i'm married to the girls' music.

great analogy. i concur. me too. (haven't me too'd in ages). it's the
marriage where we are best friends, have an occasional skirmish but haven't
slept in the same bed since swamp ophelia.

>horrified!
>as for greg, you should not be ashamed that you bought the clay aiken cd,
>but you should be well ashamed you bought anything including our dear girls
>at wal-mart. wal-mart?! for god's sakes. of all the places i thought i'd
>find fellow travelers who boycott that particular evil w, the ig list
>seemed the place.

i am not proud (cowering in shame).  i promise it will be my last time in
there for anything major.  sadly, in my new hometown of las vegas thre is
nothing but franchised stores and stucco homes.  there's no cool independent
record store or even a tower records.  i tried several other places before
walmart.  target did not have it.  couldn't find it at best buy.  the shops
on the strip are not exactly a place you'd find ig music.  i was in a bind,
knowing the cd had been released and needing to have it immediately.  i've
pre-ordered in the past and been burned twice with late mail.  thankfully my
walmart copy was not edited and full of fucks :).  it really is sad as
walmart is significantly cheaper than anywhere else for everything.  i
shopped there once for food and my bill was 25% lower than any supermarket.
economics vs politics.  sometimes you have to make a tough choice.  i
remember boycotting wendy's when they backed out of the ellen coming out
show.  i did it for a year but their fries and chili lured me back in.
hey--priorities!  i'll have to consider a similar walmart boycott.  missing
chicago where these choices aren't relevant and they have culture.

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i seem to have less and less time for the things i did on a regular basis these days (as you can tell by my lack of emailing regarding birthdays). it's definitely not what i want to do, but it is somewhat unavoidable, and i feel badly about that.

it is nice to know that i have stood out to some people over the years, and to cherish the times i have shared with fellow listees at concerts over the years (bucknell will always be close to my heart because of carrie, and the wood song. love you babe.)...

as odd as it may seem from someone who rarely shows her face on general topics, this list has meant the world to me and i am deeply grateful to the listees for being a part of my life in a way that others cannot.

thank you.
--audra :)

carrie knepp wrote ..
> bucknell was a great show - it was a really intense time in my life...
>
> i have to echo diane's sentiments...i have met some really incredible people
> because of the indigo girls and music in general.
>
> cheers,
>       carrie
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> on 9/23/06, diane wong <arle@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > [start of soppy/happy list memories]
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> > boot
> > collection would not have started without jude hunter; and all the
> > generous
> > people who volunteered to be branches on the cd trees.  and the funny
> > songs
> > with the misheard lyrics.  all classic.
> >
> > because of you, my taste in music expanded a hundred-fold, and it's nice
> > to
> > still be discovering new music from local artists (and beyond).
> >
> > i remember waiting in line at the bucknell university concert, and making
> > friends with people in line next to me.
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on 9/26/06, greg flamer <gflamer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> wow--i am a third always skip po2. you are not alone, linda! never
> rerally
> cared for it and definitely hate that it's played at every single concert
> i've been to. agreed that it makes for a good pee break or beer run. the
> only good part in concert is when e lets the audience sing an entire
> verse...talking bout a difficult thing and my eyes are getting red.....

and i guess i'm the fourth. i, too, always skip po2. i definitely don't like
that it's played at every concert. of course there are those who might say,
"if you didn't go to so many shows ..."

>i actually don't think rock n roll
> >heaven's gate is my favorite. partly because what does that title mean,
> >exactly?
>
> not sure of meaning yet.  my ig new cd listening process is always, music
> for a month and then get into the lyrics.  they could be singing heil
> hitler
> and we love trent lott--if it's in good harmony and rocks out i love the
> song.  guess it's time to start hearing the msgs soon.

my immediate impression was that it was a reference to the almost cult-like
atmosphere of "mainstream" rock. kind of a lucystoners part deux (more tame
and appropriate for an ig disc). but i definitely need to listen some more.

i am not proud (cowering in shame). i promise it will be my last time in
> there for anything major. sadly, in my new hometown of las vegas thre is
> nothing but franchised stores and stucco homes.
>

aw, greg. i was looking forward to seeing you at the chicago shows!

:-(

-bon

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> sadly, in my new hometown of las vegas thre is
> nothing but franchised stores and stucco homes.

my friend, you need to discover the lotus of siam.

and quick.

http://www.offbeattravel.com/siam.html

neil

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just chiming in a bit... first off, tom, i can't believe you think
shaming of the sun is a low point!! i'd say that was one of the four
best, with rop, swamp ophelia tying for first and nomads, indians,
saints and sots battling out for 2 and 3rd places. cons was pretty
good, i like by but i thought atwli was really blah... except for amy's
songs (minus heartache for everyone ruined with that horrid ska beat),
the cd was really not up to the usual ig standards i've come to expect.
i just popped dod into the car and so far it's ok.. hopefully it's
better than atwli and will motivate me to see them live again.

my three and half cents,
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..
.
. count me in the anti-power of two column (although i do like the one
"what is gold" moment).  plus, ix-nay on the crowd "na-na-na"s on least
complicated, "i got my paper and i was free!" on closer to fine, and "i
keep f**kin' up" in soy in concerts.  (now we've got one more in pendulum
swinger -- ugh!)
.
. "heaven's gate" was a bad movie that's famous in hollywood for costing
way more money than it recouped.  there was also the heaven's gate cult
that thought the mother ship was hiding behind some comet and coming to
take them home -- they all committed suicide dressed in space gear.
. i don't actually think amy's song is a reference to either; i think she's
just referring to the pearly gates of rock 'n' roll heaven where her
favorite bands have gone to die.  i think of this song as a sequel to the
lament of "lucystoners".  bands like the butchies broke up because they
couldn't make a living despite their greatness.  they were obviously heroes
to her and i see this song as a mission statement for daemon records as to
why it's so necessary to support bands the mainstream music industry won't.
.
. yep, i understand how bad walmart's price gouging is on smaller stores
and employee wages/benefits; but i can't remember the last time i bought
underwear anywhere else.  it's cheap, plus it's open 24-hours and you can
get lots of things in one stop.   that's tough to say no to.
.
. i actually think emily's songs have been more explicitly political the
last few albums.  that wasn't there on swamp ophelia.  i think she's so
literal about it, though, that it can be less effective than a more poetic
lyric like perfect world.
.
"running to stand still" is the u2 song i couldn't remember the name of
earlier.  the late harmonica in dirt and dead ends reminded me of it.
.
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date:         tue, 26 sep 2006 20:51:31 +0000
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hey lisa,

well despite our differences, i respect your opinion. ;-) when i say sos is
the low point, i do mean that it is still a decent cd. i just don't think
it's up to par with their other work. that is the one cd of theirs that has
more than one skipper for me (caramia, cut it out, burn the letters).

unfortunately, due to a postal mix up, i don't have the new cd yet! this is
the first time in a long time i didn't get it on the release date and i'm
bummed. also, this is the first time i won't be going to any shows on a
tour.

anyway, i look forward to hearing the new cd eventually.

cheers,
tom m.

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>date: tue, 26 sep 2006 15:51:52 -0400
>
>just chiming in a bit... first off, tom, i can't believe you think shaming
>of the sun is a low point!! i'd say that was one of the four best, with
>rop, swamp ophelia tying for first and nomads, indians, saints and sots
>battling out for 2 and 3rd places. cons was pretty good, i like by but i
>thought atwli was really blah... except for amy's songs (minus heartache
>for everyone ruined with that horrid ska beat), the cd was really not up to
>the usual ig standards i've come to expect. i just popped dod into the car
>and so far it's ok.. hopefully it's better than atwli and will motivate me
>to see them live again.
>
>my three and half cents,
>lisa
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well, i do i skip over caramia (and power of two, for that matter) and=20
the second half of rop is so-so... but the first half of rop is so damn=20
good that it makes up for airplane :p 2004 was the first year since 94=20
that i didn't see the ig at least once.

so far i haven't listened to much past i believe in love (emily's=20
mantra) on dod - hopefully when i get home the new tori boxed set will=20
be waiting for me so the rest of dod will have to wait :p
lisa

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hey lisa,=c2=a0
=c2=a0
well despite our differences, i respect your opinion. ;-) when i say=20
sos is the low point, i do mean that it is still a decent cd. i just=20
don't think it's up to par with their other work. that is the one cd of=20
theirs that has more than one skipper for me (caramia, cut it out, burn=20
the letters).=c2=a0
=c2=a0
unfortunately, due to a postal mix up, i don't have the new cd yet!=20
this is the first time in a long time i didn't get it on the release=20
date and i'm bummed. also, this is the first time i won't be going to=20
any shows on a tour.=c2=a0
=c2=a0
anyway, i look forward to hearing the new cd eventually.=c2=a0
=c2=a0
cheers,=c2=a0
tom m.=c2=a0
=c2=a0
"can you mr. bush light the sage"=c2=a0
--- tori amos, "indian summer"=c2=a0
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i preordered the tori set, too! were you also bummed that it had so many
alternate versions of songs we already have but left out some killer
non-album tracks (song for eric, butterfly, siren, etc.)? i still bought it,
but i wish it was a complete set of her non-album songs. enjoy it!

i bought dod today. i couldn't wait to straighten up the postal snafu.
haven't heard it yet, though. i read the lyrics and i'm not that thrilled.
nothing much struck a chord with me besides i believe in love.

cheers.

tom m.
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>date: tue, 26 sep 2006 17:41:25 -0400
>
>well, i do i skip over caramia (and power of two, for that matter) and the
>second half of rop is so-so... but the first half of rop is so damn good
>that it makes up for airplane :p 2004 was the first year since 94 that i
>didn't see the ig at least once.
>
>so far i haven't listened to much past i believe in love (emily's mantra)
>on dod - hopefully when i get home the new tori boxed set will be waiting
>for me so the rest of dod will have to wait :p
>lisa
>
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>
>hey lisa,� � well despite our differences, i respect your opinion. ;-) when
>i say sos is the low point, i do mean that it is still a decent cd. i just
>don't think it's up to par with their other work. that is the one cd of
>theirs that has more than one skipper for me (caramia, cut it out, burn the
>letters).� � unfortunately, due to a postal mix up, i don't have the new cd
>yet! this is the first time in a long time i didn't get it on the release
>date and i'm bummed. also, this is the first time i won't be going to any
>shows on a tour.� � anyway, i look forward to hearing the new cd
>eventually.� � cheers,� tom m.� � "can you mr. bush light the sage"� ---
>tori amos, "indian summer"� � � �
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there a few songs that i don't care if i ever hear again in concert but i do
have a soft spot for po2

10 years ago i threw a 40th anniversary party for my parents (alas they
didn't make it to # 50 as my mom passed away in 2002) i played po2 for them
at the party dedicating it to them and the whole room went "aaaawwwww"

i took my son to see ig in 1997 for the first time (he was 7) and it was his
first concert. (please forgive me if you heard this story as i know i posted
it before). po2 was his favorite song and they didn't play it and when the
concert was over he burst into tears and said "i'll never go to another
concert until pigs fly". he was inconsolable.

of course we went to see them again the next year and they did play po2 that
time. he reached over to grab my hand and shot me a huge smile... and guess
who burst into tears then!

i love my ig memories!
l.

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well, our copy of dod arrived in the post yesterday.  first job was to put
it on our respective ipods for repeated listening as much as is possible on
a workday.  there should be a rule that i get new ig albums on a friday
evening so i can dedicate the whole weekend to it.  anyway, we decided we
wanted to listen to it together (we're newly-weds, so you can excuse the
mushiness!), and it was lovely.

am not going to put any review down, as i'm very cave-person like when it
comes to why i like stuff - "'cause i like it", being my usual response.  i
do like a lot of the songs on first listen, although i'm not sure about the
actual choice of track listing.  i would have put "dirt and dead ends" last
i think, sort of nueva senoritas-y, and doesn't fit in with the songs around
it.  someone else mentioned about emily's falsettos, i am going to struggle
with some of them when it comes to singing along!  she seems to have gone
for a lot of that in her songs this time around.

after seeing such mixed reviews, i was a tad nervous, but i'm quite happy
with the new album. now, i just have to hope i have a quiet work day and
can get some listening in!

oh, for those who might know such things.  i have a horrible feeling that,
because they're not on sony anymore, tours this side of the atlantic will be
even more sporadic.  my wife hasn't yet seen ig live, and well, i've only
seen them nine times, so definitely not enough.  anyone got any thoughts on
how hollywood records might support such a venture as to enlighten the lives
of us european fans?

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i don't know about po2, i like ghost....i haven't had the same experiences with po2, that a lot of people have, but since i've seen the video i showed it to group members in my peer relationships/sexuality group in 1997/98 to show gay relationships are no different than straight ones.

otherwise i think po2 is overrated.

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date: tue, 26 sep 2006 22:43:19 -0400

there a few songs that i don't care if i ever hear again in concert but i do
have a soft spot for po2

of course we went to see them again the next year and they did play po2 that
time. he reached over to grab my hand and shot me a huge smile... and guess
who burst into tears then!

i love my ig memories!
l.

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well i've just re-subscribed to this list after an absence of 9 (yeah nine) years - if you can believe that - to see what everybody had to say about dod and to chime in. i was struck by this one...

on 9/26/06, linda napikoski <napikoski@gmail.com> wrote:

> i do sometimes think
> "is that really an indigo girls song?" and then i'm like, who am i to say
> what's an ig song? thus reiterating my point that spike is right. in ten
> years, i'll surely be waxing nostalgic about atwli and dod. that's fun to
> contemplate.

i must agree it's not for us to judge what their songs "should" be like, but really i don't think anything on dod is *that* much a departure from atwli or by anyway. (except for the f-bomb by *emily* (!!!) that others have also mentioned. that's a departure from everything!) it'll fit into the pantheon of albums just fine. i've had it continuously looping since bringing it home last tues, learned some of the words already, and am fairly diggin' it. we've got here some of the most beautiful, soaring stuff emily has written in awhile. "lay my head down" -- the music more than the words -- tingles the spine; i love "last tears," even if it is 10 years late in delivering words that would have been a great epitaph for a relationship i once had and lost; "all the way" and "pendulum swinger" are just plain catchy (political message of the latter just a bonus). i can do without the icky birds-crashing-into-windows metaphor in "fly away," but the tune is pretty enough that it's not
bad enough to be a skip song.

and then amy's stuff... i'm unabashedly much more an emily fan, but i have to say "rock and roll heaven's gate" is just an awesome rip-roaring straight-ahead rock song, the best the girls have ever done. (don't know how influenced by p!nk that is, or not ... seemingly not enough to warrant a songwriting credit anyway.) the very end of "three county highway" gives me chills, it is so passionate; and "little perennials" is just plain catchy. what?! an amy song "catchy?!" yeah! and: is it just me or does the music just after that verse (~1:43 to 1:55) remind anyone of led zeppelin's "kashmir"? weird. random. (and i date myself with that reference.)

unfortunately, i think "dirt and dead ends" is going to end up a song-to-always-skip, which i don't say lightly since i have *very* few indeed (romeo and juliet, burn all the letters, fare thee well). "dirt" kind of drones, just never gets going, and 5� min is way too much at that pace, even if i do agree with the anti-sprawl message (if that's what it is).

anyway an overall good effort, but i agree, as someone posted last week, that there is a lack of harmony. i find that dod, perhaps more than any other album (and i'm a fan of 15 years), is more a collection of 7 emily and 6 amy songs, than of 13 ig songs. songwritingwise, it's of course always been that way, but maybe they're working less on the arrangements of each other's songs than they used to. where are the harmonies of something like "wood song"? i hope this is not a sign of simon&garfunkel-like disharmony in the studio...

i'll report in on the asheville, nc show after saturday!

good to be back on here, and cheers...
dave van hemel

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by some fluke the ig show in sacramento went on sale a few seconds ago (they
were supposed to go on sale on friday). they're at tickets.com and it's a
reserved show.

good luck.

xoxo

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i was listening to rop last night on the way home, and i realized that the
reason i like the new albums but do not love them is that no song on them grabs
me in the gut and moves me to tears. ig, nis and rop all can make me cry
(usually i am crying because of the wonder and awesome beauty that is flowing
into my ears and not a boo hoo sad way) depending on the environment i am
listening in. i think emily's rhymes in the newer albums are fardo-inducing.
bucket and fuck it? come on, that's sad.

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yeah, "bucket" and "fuck it" is up there with "stove" and "love"!

there are a few songs on dod that are pretty gut wrenching. dirt and dead
ends is one of them. it's painful, but in a good way. although getting teary
on the t in the morning isn't necessarily good ...

regardless, it's the most recent addition to my "wallow in it" mix.

-b

on 9/28/06, sejarez <sejarez@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> i was listening to rop last night on the way home, and i realized that the
> reason i like the new albums but do not love them is that no song on them
> grabs
> me in the gut and moves me to tears. ig, nis and rop all can make me cry
> (usually i am crying because of the wonder and awesome beauty that is
> flowing
> into my ears and not a boo hoo sad way) depending on the environment i am
> listening in. i think emily's rhymes in the newer albums are
> fardo-inducing.
> bucket and fuck it? come on, that's sad.
>

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i would have to add three county highway to this list for me. so far
is the only song i have put on repeat and really the only song i
really love from this cd.

on sep 28, 2006, at 11:19 am, bonster wrote:

> yeah, "bucket" and "fuck it" is up there with "stove" and "love"!
>
> there are a few songs on dod that are pretty gut wrenching. dirt
> and dead
> ends is one of them. it's painful, but in a good way. although
> getting teary
> on the t in the morning isn't necessarily good ...
>
> regardless, it's the most recent addition to my "wallow in it" mix.
>
> -b
>
> on 9/28/06, sejarez <sejarez@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> i was listening to rop last night on the way home, and i realized
>> that the
>> reason i like the new albums but do not love them is that no song
>> on them
>> grabs
>> me in the gut and moves me to tears. ig, nis and rop all can make
>> me cry
>> (usually i am crying because of the wonder and awesome beauty that is
>> flowing
>> into my ears and not a boo hoo sad way) depending on the
>> environment i am
>> listening in. i think emily's rhymes in the newer albums are
>> fardo-inducing.
>> bucket and fuck it? come on, that's sad.
>>
>
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"three county highway" used to make me cry. and sometimes it still does,
but the live version only. i think that song lost so much in production, so
the only thing i'm crying about when i listen to the studio version is how
much they fu*ked up a great song...

i agree with bon, "dirt and dead ends" gets me all the time.

also, for personal/situational reasons, i sometimes cry when i hear "all the
way," and i know if i hear it live on fall tour, i'll be cryin'.

on 9/28/06, laura mclane <lmmclan@emory.edu> wrote:
>
> i would have to add three county highway to this list for me. so far
> is the only song i have put on repeat and really the only song i
> really love from this cd.
>
> l
>
> on sep 28, 2006, at 11:19 am, bonster wrote:
>
> > yeah, "bucket" and "fuck it" is up there with "stove" and "love"!
> >
> > there are a few songs on dod that are pretty gut wrenching. dirt
> > and dead
> > ends is one of them. it's painful, but in a good way. although
> > getting teary
> > on the t in the morning isn't necessarily good ...
> >
> > regardless, it's the most recent addition to my "wallow in it" mix.
> >
> > -b
> >
> > on 9/28/06, sejarez <sejarez@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> i was listening to rop last night on the way home, and i realized
> >> that the
> >> reason i like the new albums but do not love them is that no song
> >> on them
> >> grabs
> >> me in the gut and moves me to tears. ig, nis and rop all can make
> >> me cry
> >> (usually i am crying because of the wonder and awesome beauty that is
> >> flowing
> >> into my ears and not a boo hoo sad way) depending on the
> >> environment i am
> >> listening in. i think emily's rhymes in the newer albums are
> >> fardo-inducing.
> >> bucket and fuck it? come on, that's sad.
> >>
> >
> >
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date:         thu, 28 sep 2006 21:24:18 +0000
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so i finally took dod out of the car to download it to itunes and my ipod.
i put it in the cd rom drive and itunes asks--would you like to download
despite our differences (2-disc collector's edition).  i scratch my head as
my cd purchase only had one disc and was not a collector's edition.  but now
i must look at that cd title for the next milennium on my ipod and know i
did not get the collector's edition.  of course i could break down and just
find the real collector's edition and buy it.  but how rude to title  the
plain 1 cd set as 2.

the disc also claims to have "special features" when put in the puter.  my
special feature was a direct link to hollywood records website.  woop dee
do.  feeling a bit jipped.  but the music is lovely :).

greg

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date:         fri, 29 sep 2006 08:34:32 +1000
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hi folks,

here's a review of the new album from livedaily. you can read it online=
at:
http://www.livedaily.com/reviews/album_review_indigo_girls_despite_our_diffe=
renc
es_hollywood-10782.html?t=3d98

-sherlyn

---begin forwarded article---
album review: indigo girls, "despite our differences" (hollywood)

september 28, 2006 12:14 pm
by gf sheffer
livedaily contributor

the indigo girls (music)' new disc, "despite our differences," is the=
georgia
duo's first for hollywood records. together since the mid-'80s, amy ray and=

emily saliers create another fine folk album that features all their best
assets: angelic harmonies, introspective lyrics and emotional, evocative
melodies.

but there's more to "despite our differences" than first meets the ear. the=
disc
includes a guest shot by pink on the bawdy "rock n roll heaven's gate," an
electric rocker that showcases ray's edgier guitar work. opener "pendulum
swinger" is as topical as the ladies get here, singing, "what we get from=
your
war walk/the ticker of the nation breaking down like a bad clock/i want the=

pendulum to swing again/so that all your mighty mandate was just spitting in=
the
wind." they never revisit the current state of affairs again. instead, they=

focus on matters of the heart and soul.

ultimately, it is their remarkable songwriting sense that ensures the girls'=

music will always be relevant. "three county highway" is an emotional,=
mournful
ballad with great lines like "baby, that's the last ticket i'm ever gonna=
buy."
the james taylor-esque road song "i believe in love" is not nearly as cheesy=
as
its name implies; rather saliers infuses each phrase with undeniable=
sincerity,
making lines like "i want to say that underneath it all/you're still my
friend/and the way that i fell for you/i'll never fall again" sound like the=

most honest thing one person can say to another.

listen closely to "despite our differences" and you'll get goose bumps. new=

label. same indigo girls.

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date:         thu, 28 sep 2006 18:13:27 -0700
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perhaps you should learn how to edit mp3 info tags, and you can save
yourself years of heartbreak. in itunes, select the track (or
tracks, if you want to edit an entire album, or if you want to change
a bunch of songs' attributes at once, like setting a new genre), and
hit cloverleaf-i.

or, click on the thing you want to change right in your library,
wiggle the mouse a bit, and it should change to a "type in text" box
where you can edit it directly, without having to bring up the
editing window.

-graham

on sep 28, 2006, at 2:24 pm, greg flamer wrote:

> so i finally took dod out of the car to download it to itunes and
> my ipod.  i put it in the cd rom drive and itunes asks--would you
> like to download despite our differences (2-disc collector's
> edition).  i scratch my head as my cd purchase only had one disc
> and was not a collector's edition.  but now i must look at that cd
> title for the next milennium on my ipod and know i did not get the
> collector's edition.  of course i could break down and just find
> the real collector's edition and buy it.  but how rude to title
> the plain 1 cd set as 2.
>
> the disc also claims to have "special features" when put in the
> puter.  my special feature was a direct link to hollywood records
> website.  woop dee do.  feeling a bit jipped.  but the music is
> lovely :).
>
> greg
>
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